I think this is so cool that you are warming up the interest in Sweden and its culture on YouTube! It's a good deed when people are exposed to informative and interesting videos about Sweden and its langauge. Such channles like Sweden channel and Speak Swedish Stupid, are doing great job providing infornation and entertainment from and about Sweden!! xD
Hmm have they considered adding an autoloader to the tank system to free up manpower? Nice video though, the armor column sure is an awe inspiring sight! :D
@yourass117 The reason the cannon is facing up after being fired is to get into the so-called “charge mode”. This is an adjustable position in the carriage, adapted to the charger's individual requirements. The charger sets the mode to move as quickly as possible to be
Germany's greatest tanks: Panther V (Medium tank but had best suspension to the tracks and the cew didnt bounch like hell in the tank), Tiger I, Tiger II, Leopard 1 and Leopard 2.
1 Big family of german technology. Lets do a family tree shall we:D
Hard to say, all I know is that the 122 beat the abrams in a comparison made by discovery channel, and that the 122 currently has a computer system superior to the ones of other tanks.
However, I'd imagine the difference is narrow enough to make it virtually solely a matter of crew performance.
Sverige kan försvara sig ganska hyfsat i dag, men det behövs en bredare folklig insikt om vad det innebär att leva under en nationell hotbild och vad ett lands befolkning kan göra för att motverka främmande makts inflytande över det vi kallar "vi" och "vårt".
Sverige kan inte ha som mål att äga högar av avancerat stål- och elektronikskrot som ingen orkar/vågar använda.
Bor man här så skall man uppfostras till att arbeta för och att försvara Sverige.
Sigh.., well thats the average dutch person for you. Seek a word we think is iconic for the country and tgen shout it at the most unrelated moment. Because it is swedish right?
@ThugCologne - Well technicly the shell is indeed German, but when we've bought them they replace the gun, boost the engine, exchange the navigation, aiming and com equipment. Its practicly "Swedish" afterwards, we've just built it on top of the German platform. And we export some of them back to you =3
@Erafic The gun on the STRV 122 is the same as on the standard Leo 2A5, a Rheinmetall L44. And saying that the tank is practically Swedish afterwards is going a bit too far and we do not export them to anyone.
a great respect to a nation that makes all what it needs by it self and dont just buy a thing from others ...good job sweeden ...big respect for your people ^_^
@Morran09 I wouldn't say most stuff is gone, the main gun is German, the MG's are German, the engine is German, the band tracks are German, the transmission is German, the range finder is German, the gun sights and commanders sights are German. The main difference between the Strv 122 and the standard Leo 2A5 is the armor and the tactical command and control system, our tanks also have French smoke dispensers from Galix.
@jimmyn89SWE But theres gotta be some diffrences who makes it "Worlds Greatest Main Battletank". I'm not that good with tanks, you seem to be alot better within this than me.
Fy fan vilka fina bilder och fin kvalitet på det här klippet. Gjorde min värnplikt 2006/07 på Stridsvagnskompaniet i Boden som laddare. Årets nostalgitripp att få se schyssta bilder och besten "in action" så att säga.
We had these tanks when I did my mileary service, exept some exuipment that was delayed. I have dríven the leopard (STRV 122) during 98-99 about 3000 Km or 1900 miles during one year. I've always held STRV 122 as the "TOP GUN". Not only the best equipment, but also crews that are educated to do what is needed, in (depending of position of the tank), in between 10-15 mounths. These crews still beat the countries with no conscription, look at stats in the world championships for tanks...
Räfflad pipa har nackdelen att det ger högre slitage på pipan och projektilen får en lägre utgångshastighet än i en slätborrad pipa men får i stället en betydligt högre precision. Detta har resulterat i att man under lång tid valt att räffla piporna. Men sen utvecklades projektiler med fenor vilket tar bort behovet för räfflad pipa. Har ingen aning varför britterna väljer att fortsätta med räfflad pipa. Kan vara användandet av någon typ av projektil de inte vill kasta på högen riktigt än.
@Erfaroth Ja, det är lite märkligt att t o m på Challenger 2 så valde de den modellen. Britterna är iofs konservativa och de har länge haft doktrinen att det inte skall skjutas för mycket. Även bland infanteriet vilket låg till grund för designen på L85A2.
Among many other things, you Swedes could certainly teach the Canadian Forces a thing or two about how to produce information videos. Well done, well edited!
I'm pleased to know that Canada finally has these world-class machines as well.
jag älskar denna stridsvagnen. den är fin att kolla på och j*vligt effektiv. denna filmen får mig att vilja göra värnplikten en gång till. var ansöker jag??
jag bara måste fråga. Jag vet itne varför det är så här men någon kanske kan svara på detta. Varför sätter de inte en räfflad pipa i han så blir ju resultatet mycket bättre. Samma fråga kan jag ställa till M1an. Challengern har ju så mycket bättre vapen. Eller???
@Stromberg91 svara kan bara den som vill. Jag är en flyg nörd och kan väldigt lite om stridvagnar mer än vad de är kapabla till och vikten av att slå ut dem. Snackar du om det som i engelska kalla "smoothe bore" .. issåfall har T-80an det med och massa andra. Nån som orkar kan ju komma in och förklara smoothe bore.... å varför det är så vanligt, förr i tiden var ju räfflat perfect för allt artilleri. Nån energisk jäkel som gillar och skriva borde ju komma in här ....
@MajSolo nja smoth bore e slätborrad, det som det är i t,ex m1an å leoparden. Men challenern har en räfflad kanon och det heter rifled på engelska. Grejjen e att challengern har en räfflad kanon och kan skjuta länge med bättre precison. När de invaderade irak 2003, så ska det ha rapporterats ut att en challenger slog ut en irakisk tank på 5200 m. De e mer än 1200 m längre än vad leo å m1a fixar. Så såsom jag fattat de e räfflad mkt bättre, men kanske har fel de e de jag vill få reda på=))
@Stromberg91 räfflad har .... hmmm ... liksom alltid varit bättre allt sedan våra förfäder avlade de föräldrar som avlade de föräldrar som avlade dig. Men, liksom, på senare tid ... så har det ju dykt upp så många smothe bore så det borde ju trassla till det i både din och min hjärnsubstans.
Vad tänker de människorna på`?????
va e de för bra med smothe bore???
vad de e för smart med rifled det visste man ju på 1800 talet typ och det finns ju i alla haubits .... vi får gräva i böcker ...
@MajSolo ja de får vi göra. Jag hittar inget om det. Har bara läst att experterna tycker att Challengern har den bästa kanonen som finns just nu. Bara för att den är räfflad. Tyskarna hade ju räfflade kanoner i sina stridsvagnar i ww2, samma med många andra allierade kanoner. Jag fattar det inte men det finns kanske en anledning, någon som kan detta bättre än mig kanske ja svara på detta
De skjuter långa projektiler nuförtiden som inte stabiliseras med hjälp av rotation utan behöver fenor, och när de nu har fenor kan man lika gärna sluta och räfla eldröret. Projektiler med fenor funkar bäst om de INTE roterar.
Men engelsmännen fortsätter och kör på vänster sida.
Det där som syntes på bilden är inte det alla stridsvagnar vi har? Vad kosta den manövern? Vart det nåra invandrare som blev av med sina ungdomsgårdar??? he he
@Stromberg91 jag kolla lite, en gång i tiden köpte vi 150 Leopard 1 och 150 Leopard 2. Men sedan håller svenskarna på och meckar med dem och håller på med upgraderingar / moddning så jag har ingen pejl vad som står i garagen idag ....
Before Desert Storm, most experts regarded the T-72 as a tough match against the M1. The M1 was considered a superior tank, but the T-72 was thought to be a tank that could fight it.
However, in actual combat situations, we learned that the M1 was a far superior tank to the T-72. There was literally no comparison between them.
While data may show something, it is impossible to simulate real world conditions. Until the 122 operates in combat, it is impossible to know.
@hundturken2 It is absolutely impossible to simulate real world conditions. There are too many factors to take into account. Why do you think our meteorologists cannot predict the weather beyond a couple days?
I'll concede that the crews are important, but given the number of tanks involved on both sides, it is not a significant factor. Furthermore, the Iraqis were actually more battle hardened than the American troops.
At the time of Desert Storm, the T-72 was well thought of.
@hundturken2 I have to disagree. As I stated, the data does not take into account real world conditions. We have numerous examples where we thought a piece of equipment would act one way but, when we got it into the field, it acted differently. For example, we did not think the AH-64 (Apache attack helicopter) would be so susceptible to sand.
Bottom line, until we see the tank operate in real world conditions, I think it is presumptuous to call it the best tank in the world.
@Timasion The datas says that leopard is the better then any other. " we did not think the AH-64 (Apache attack helicopter) would be so susceptible to sand." Leopard is a proven tank and has none of those weekness. Because iis a diesel engine it works pretty much everywere. Real world conditions = drills and maouvers, it works everywere. Seperate the condition o the crew from the data of the tank. It has done the same thing as M1 in combat, exept the target wasnt old russian tanks that time.
@hundturken2 We don't know if it has those weaknesses. In my example of the AH-64, the data said it would be fine and it wasn't.
The Leopard 2 has never been in combat. It has never fought other tanks. For someone to assert it is the best tank in the world is premature.
Maneuver and drills is not real world. It is still artificial. Until you can actually see how the tank acts in combat, it is unwise to assert a particular tank is the best in the world.
@hundturken2 We don't know if it works fine in all conditions as the tank has never been in combat. Until it has actually fought in combat against other tanks, it is premature to assert it's the greatest tank in the world.
The true test of a tank is in direct combat against another tank of its generation. The Leopard 2 must be tested against the M1A2, LeClerc and the Type 90.
@Timasion The F-22 is regarded as the best fighter jet in the world without ever having been in any real combat situation. How does that work? Or is it different because it's American. The Leo 2 aswell as the CV90 has proved themselves much superior in mobility, hence the M1A2 and the M3A3 broke down or got stuck in winter conditions during evaluation testings in Sweden. Mobility is crucial when it comes to armor. That's one goal the Leo 2 & CV90 scores against the Bradley and the Abrams
@Timasion I agree somewhat to what you are saying, although versions of the Leopard 2 is in active combat in the middle-east and have proven itself. The M1A2 Abrams has, from what i have read, been proven to be vulnerable against IED's. I would actually say the best MBT is brittish, not american or german.
@Timasion Leaopard and M1 Challenger, K2 and so on), is more or less the same tanks, the only difference is that Europe doesn´t used DU armour or APFSDS, but the L55 gun more then compensates for that. The M1 hasn´t gone up against a real enemy tank either, at best the fought Iraqi made T-72, a obsolete tank, at best. The Leopard has been to war, Yugoslavia and Afghanistan (no tank vs. tank battles).
But as I said, western tanks are more or less identical.
"No offense, but how can you designate a tank as the "world's greatest Main Battle Tank" when it's never been in a serious battle? "
The M1 wasn't in a serious battle to. He was fighting outdated T55 T62 and export versions of the T72 with a poorly trained Crew. In field test simulations it was proven that the Leopard 2A6 is superior to the M1A2. Why else should so many Nations use the Leopard over the M1A2? thats no offense too. Just a few facts.
Guided missile from 5km? Where can u find 5km of open landscape in Sweden and who will put an tank there? When I was a tank gunner I erased an t90 at 4800m whit the maingun in the tbta...
According to simulations the Leopard 2A6 has a 6:1 win/loss ratio against the T-80 and a 4:1 win/loss ratio against the T-90/T-95. Good luck with that russia.
Apparently, you don't know what simulations mean, there's been comparing between the models, testing of the armor as well as the main gun, testing in reality and doing advanced computer simulations through the defense simulators. It's not like playing a video game if that's what you thought.
You can do simulation of thigs, where you know materials precisely. I did thermomechanical simulations of materials during soldering. But nobody can simulate unknown tnaks as armor structures and top ammo are kept in secret by both sides. Its just type of marketing useless for real machine comparison. + as you mentioned T80, T90 and even T95 which is only prototype - T80 is used in U version. T90 has unknown composite armour + Kontakt5 RA is secret too..
That for materials only. Another things are behavior on field, crews, weather + climate etc.. these are all important factors and simulation including all these levels will need supercomputer, which maybe will be build in 2050 or later :] All you can simulate is highly theoretical shit based on known basics.
It would be cheaper and easier to set up local conventional war on some deserted island to see real results.
@ThePannKaka1 Aa, Stridsfordon 90 menar du. Det är ett stridsfordon, det betyder att den är mindre och att du kan transportera trupper i den men den. Men Stridsfordon 90 har ändå en fet kanon! Så ja, det är nog världens bästa Stridsfordon också :)
Den som visas på filmen är faktiskt Stridsvagn 122. Inte Stridsfordon 90. Det är ingen APC i filmen utan en tank, den svenska versionen av Leopard 2, alltså Stridsvagn 122. Det står dessutom både i filmens titel, information samt på försvarets hemsida ;)
@freedomisntfreeffs ubåtarna vet jag inte så mycket om men dom har ett fartyg som är ett bra stealthfartyg som jag har fått se på marinbasen i karlskrona. tyvärr fick jag inte gå ombord =(
@freedomisntfreeffs Sverige har den bästa icke atomdrivna ubåten som finns eller funnits. Den är så bra att Amerikanska flottan har hyrt in den för att testa sina hangarsfartygsgrupper. Detta trots att de har sina egna high-tech ubåtar. Sök efter Gotlandklassen på Wiki.
Är det inte lite lustigt att den heter 122 när ni nästan bara har 120 tanks?
swedishplayer97 3 days ago
I think this is so cool that you are warming up the interest in Sweden and its culture on YouTube! It's a good deed when people are exposed to informative and interesting videos about Sweden and its langauge. Such channles like Sweden channel and Speak Swedish Stupid, are doing great job providing infornation and entertainment from and about Sweden!! xD
Good job!
SpeakSwedishStupid 1 month ago
Stridsfordon 90 är i Afghanistan. Appropå nr 122 tror jag knappast det är världens bästa
jjjh5 1 month ago
Do anyone know if we have any Stridsvagn 122 in afghanistan?
unknowna2 1 month ago
@unknowna2 Nej, Försvarsmakten har inga stridsvagnar där. / No
SwedishArmedForces 1 month ago
@SwedishArmedForces Va? I era andra filmer visas stridsvagnar i Afghanistan
christoffer501 1 month ago
@christoffer501 Stridsfordon 90
Oriosho 1 month ago
Hmm have they considered adding an autoloader to the tank system to free up manpower? Nice video though, the armor column sure is an awe inspiring sight! :D
zhenoob 1 month ago
Fan va jag älskar motorljudet! Saknar min seek & destroy (122065)
l0ranga 2 months ago
why does the main gun tilt up after being fired?
yourass117 3 months ago
@yourass117 my guess is that it's to make reloading possible, or just easier.
samuelw1980 3 months ago
@yourass117 The reason the cannon is facing up after being fired is to get into the so-called “charge mode”. This is an adjustable position in the carriage, adapted to the charger's individual requirements. The charger sets the mode to move as quickly as possible to be
able to load the next shot.
SwedishArmedForces 3 months ago 3
achtung panzar
wtfOD 3 months ago 2
Germany's greatest tanks: Panther V (Medium tank but had best suspension to the tracks and the cew didnt bounch like hell in the tank), Tiger I, Tiger II, Leopard 1 and Leopard 2.
1 Big family of german technology. Lets do a family tree shall we:D
Tiger 1 (Mother) Tiger II (Daddy), Panther (sister), Leopard 1 (little brother), Leopard 2 (Big brother).
=)
fingerniklas 4 months ago
Den moderna Tyska Tigern ^^
cryteeek 4 months ago
that is one of the greatest battle tanks cause Stridsvagn 122 and the abrams are equal
DarkSpectersBlade 4 months ago
@DarkSpectersBlade the leopard is better than the abrams
Bioch00ck 4 months ago
@DarkSpectersBlade No not really.
Dont like the whole "America's tanks rules everything"
gurtznak 4 months ago
@DarkSpectersBlade
Hard to say, all I know is that the 122 beat the abrams in a comparison made by discovery channel, and that the 122 currently has a computer system superior to the ones of other tanks.
However, I'd imagine the difference is narrow enough to make it virtually solely a matter of crew performance.
RQBBAN 2 months ago
SVENSKER!!
Y33YMan 4 months ago
Sverige kan försvara sig ganska hyfsat i dag, men det behövs en bredare folklig insikt om vad det innebär att leva under en nationell hotbild och vad ett lands befolkning kan göra för att motverka främmande makts inflytande över det vi kallar "vi" och "vårt".
Sverige kan inte ha som mål att äga högar av avancerat stål- och elektronikskrot som ingen orkar/vågar använda.
Bor man här så skall man uppfostras till att arbeta för och att försvara Sverige.
Konstigare än så är det inte.
scholion 4 months ago
BATTLEFIELD 3: NORDIC ASSAULT, the expansion!!
AndTheStarsGoWithYou 5 months ago 43
@AndTheStarsGoWithYou lol.
psnflak88 5 months ago
@AndTheStarsGoWithYou Sweden would be overpowered.
TheSwedishDude1000 1 month ago
pruttade kulsprutan
och stridsvangnen för det låter så
davvvvo 6 months ago
@davvvvo Ljuddämpat... Herregud dina högtalare hade gått isönder om dom hade haft fullt ljud på.
gurtznak 4 months ago
I'm gonna learn Swedish (should be able to, my dad speaks it), become a citizen and join the army to become a tanker.
They sold all the Dutch tanks :(
EliteGhost001 6 months ago
@EliteGhost001
Here's one for a starter ;)
"Knäckebröd" (Crisp bread)
For some reason hundreds of dutch people shouted it at us during Vierdaagse 2011, must be a funny word I suppose? :)
RQBBAN 2 months ago
@RQBBAN
Sigh.., well thats the average dutch person for you. Seek a word we think is iconic for the country and tgen shout it at the most unrelated moment. Because it is swedish right?
But i do know a bit more swedish words :D
EliteGhost001 2 months ago
German Steel in sweden Whutzefuck?
MatrixTails 6 months ago
@MatrixTails I bett it is Swedish steel sold to germany, made too a tank, then shiped to Swweden where they finnish it with Swedish prefection... :D
SWEmanque 5 months ago 18
@SWEmanque Nope its Rheinstahl :D
MatrixTails 5 months ago
GERMAN POWER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1997Banane 8 months ago
@1997Banane this is swedish
ilovepantera97 6 months ago
Synd bara att det endast krävs en A-10 för att slå ut dom alla...
ShinyHagge 8 months ago
german engeneering :D
ThugCologne 9 months ago 3
hey! this is german not swedish!
ThugCologne 9 months ago
@ThugCologne - Well technicly the shell is indeed German, but when we've bought them they replace the gun, boost the engine, exchange the navigation, aiming and com equipment. Its practicly "Swedish" afterwards, we've just built it on top of the German platform. And we export some of them back to you =3
Erafic 8 months ago 4
@Erafic didn't knew that there is a swedish version of the Leopard, now i do and am impressed ;]
ThugCologne 8 months ago
@Erafic The gun on the STRV 122 is the same as on the standard Leo 2A5, a Rheinmetall L44. And saying that the tank is practically Swedish afterwards is going a bit too far and we do not export them to anyone.
jimmyn89SWE 7 months ago
@ThugCologne its the swedish verision of the german tank:)
LifTyLyM 7 months ago
a great respect to a nation that makes all what it needs by it self and dont just buy a thing from others ...good job sweeden ...big respect for your people ^_^
speedisnotlife 9 months ago
Jag gillar hans så mycket Svensk-Engelska brytning ;P
TheSk8nCsGirl 9 months ago
not the swedish version of the leopard the german leopard because it´s the same and the swedish just buy it from germany you idiot
LelONSTYLA 10 months ago
@LelONSTYLA we upgrade tham, so they get better
AlexBoy123HBG 10 months ago
@LelONSTYLA As the last person said, they're Swedish upgraded for Swedish needs, most of the German stuff is gone.
Morran09 9 months ago
@Morran09 I wouldn't say most stuff is gone, the main gun is German, the MG's are German, the engine is German, the band tracks are German, the transmission is German, the range finder is German, the gun sights and commanders sights are German. The main difference between the Strv 122 and the standard Leo 2A5 is the armor and the tactical command and control system, our tanks also have French smoke dispensers from Galix.
jimmyn89SWE 7 months ago
@jimmyn89SWE But theres gotta be some diffrences who makes it "Worlds Greatest Main Battletank". I'm not that good with tanks, you seem to be alot better within this than me.
Morran09 7 months ago
Svårt att slå Tyska tanks.
Danne9000 10 months ago 2
pappa snälla...
Voteonme 10 months ago
Den är för jävla vacker måste jag säga! Man blir lite gråtfärdig ;)
alimamma121 11 months ago
Dear santa...
Moerdarvalen 1 year ago
Fy fan vilka fina bilder och fin kvalitet på det här klippet. Gjorde min värnplikt 2006/07 på Stridsvagnskompaniet i Boden som laddare. Årets nostalgitripp att få se schyssta bilder och besten "in action" så att säga.
Simonsdmf 1 year ago
Sorry, good,but the german Leopard 2 vers. A6 where the best in the World :-)
Wesertrading 1 year ago
@Wesertrading No, it's not. This is not the standard Leopard 2 as described above. Read before you write.
azynkron 1 year ago
We had these tanks when I did my mileary service, exept some exuipment that was delayed. I have dríven the leopard (STRV 122) during 98-99 about 3000 Km or 1900 miles during one year. I've always held STRV 122 as the "TOP GUN". Not only the best equipment, but also crews that are educated to do what is needed, in (depending of position of the tank), in between 10-15 mounths. These crews still beat the countries with no conscription, look at stats in the world championships for tanks...
terotechnology 1 year ago
Jag är fan stolt över att vara svensk!
steffmaister1996 1 year ago
Såg ruskigt trångt ut hos skytten!
deadist 1 year ago
@deadist Trångt och mysigt.
azynkron 1 year ago
it only won because it has a hot water supply on board, tankers never run outta coffee! :P
DonMoza 1 year ago
Räfflad pipa har nackdelen att det ger högre slitage på pipan och projektilen får en lägre utgångshastighet än i en slätborrad pipa men får i stället en betydligt högre precision. Detta har resulterat i att man under lång tid valt att räffla piporna. Men sen utvecklades projektiler med fenor vilket tar bort behovet för räfflad pipa. Har ingen aning varför britterna väljer att fortsätta med räfflad pipa. Kan vara användandet av någon typ av projektil de inte vill kasta på högen riktigt än.
Erfaroth 1 year ago
@Erfaroth Ja, det är lite märkligt att t o m på Challenger 2 så valde de den modellen. Britterna är iofs konservativa och de har länge haft doktrinen att det inte skall skjutas för mycket. Även bland infanteriet vilket låg till grund för designen på L85A2.
azynkron 1 year ago
Among many other things, you Swedes could certainly teach the Canadian Forces a thing or two about how to produce information videos. Well done, well edited!
I'm pleased to know that Canada finally has these world-class machines as well.
BasicWedge 1 year ago 2
jag älskar denna stridsvagnen. den är fin att kolla på och j*vligt effektiv. denna filmen får mig att vilja göra värnplikten en gång till. var ansöker jag??
coolsnyggkille 1 year ago
När "Sverige" och "Världens Bästa" är i samma mening så blir jag så otroligt glad! Gud vad jag älskar å va svensk!
RumbitSwe 1 year ago
jag bara måste fråga. Jag vet itne varför det är så här men någon kanske kan svara på detta. Varför sätter de inte en räfflad pipa i han så blir ju resultatet mycket bättre. Samma fråga kan jag ställa till M1an. Challengern har ju så mycket bättre vapen. Eller???
Stromberg91 1 year ago
@Stromberg91 svara kan bara den som vill. Jag är en flyg nörd och kan väldigt lite om stridvagnar mer än vad de är kapabla till och vikten av att slå ut dem. Snackar du om det som i engelska kalla "smoothe bore" .. issåfall har T-80an det med och massa andra. Nån som orkar kan ju komma in och förklara smoothe bore.... å varför det är så vanligt, förr i tiden var ju räfflat perfect för allt artilleri. Nån energisk jäkel som gillar och skriva borde ju komma in här ....
MajSolo 1 year ago
@MajSolo nja smoth bore e slätborrad, det som det är i t,ex m1an å leoparden. Men challenern har en räfflad kanon och det heter rifled på engelska. Grejjen e att challengern har en räfflad kanon och kan skjuta länge med bättre precison. När de invaderade irak 2003, så ska det ha rapporterats ut att en challenger slog ut en irakisk tank på 5200 m. De e mer än 1200 m längre än vad leo å m1a fixar. Så såsom jag fattat de e räfflad mkt bättre, men kanske har fel de e de jag vill få reda på=))
Stromberg91 1 year ago
@Stromberg91 Jag hoppas få reda på det åsså.
MajSolo 1 year ago
@Stromberg91 räfflad har .... hmmm ... liksom alltid varit bättre allt sedan våra förfäder avlade de föräldrar som avlade de föräldrar som avlade dig. Men, liksom, på senare tid ... så har det ju dykt upp så många smothe bore så det borde ju trassla till det i både din och min hjärnsubstans.
Vad tänker de människorna på`?????
va e de för bra med smothe bore???
vad de e för smart med rifled det visste man ju på 1800 talet typ och det finns ju i alla haubits .... vi får gräva i böcker ...
MajSolo 1 year ago
@MajSolo ja de får vi göra. Jag hittar inget om det. Har bara läst att experterna tycker att Challengern har den bästa kanonen som finns just nu. Bara för att den är räfflad. Tyskarna hade ju räfflade kanoner i sina stridsvagnar i ww2, samma med många andra allierade kanoner. Jag fattar det inte men det finns kanske en anledning, någon som kan detta bättre än mig kanske ja svara på detta
Stromberg91 1 year ago
@Stromberg91 allt var förklarat på wiki.
wiki Smoothbore
De skjuter långa projektiler nuförtiden som inte stabiliseras med hjälp av rotation utan behöver fenor, och när de nu har fenor kan man lika gärna sluta och räfla eldröret. Projektiler med fenor funkar bäst om de INTE roterar.
Men engelsmännen fortsätter och kör på vänster sida.
Det är något lurt med alltihopa.
MajSolo 1 year ago
Kära tåmten..
finnpalm 1 year ago
German engineering + Swedish engineering = best tank in the world ^__^
kazath 1 year ago
Det där som syntes på bilden är inte det alla stridsvagnar vi har? Vad kosta den manövern? Vart det nåra invandrare som blev av med sina ungdomsgårdar??? he he
MajSolo 1 year ago
@MajSolo vi har typ 200-300 st sådana i sverige
Stromberg91 1 year ago
@Stromberg91 jag kolla lite, en gång i tiden köpte vi 150 Leopard 1 och 150 Leopard 2. Men sedan håller svenskarna på och meckar med dem och håller på med upgraderingar / moddning så jag har ingen pejl vad som står i garagen idag ....
MajSolo 1 year ago
@MajSolo mycket möjligt, men har för mig någon sagt ett ganska exakt nummer som typ 256 st eller nåt sånt.
Stromberg91 1 year ago
No offense, but how can you designate a tank as the "world's greatest Main Battle Tank" when it's never been in a serious battle?
Timasion 1 year ago
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hundturken2 1 year ago
@hundturken2 Not true.
Before Desert Storm, most experts regarded the T-72 as a tough match against the M1. The M1 was considered a superior tank, but the T-72 was thought to be a tank that could fight it.
However, in actual combat situations, we learned that the M1 was a far superior tank to the T-72. There was literally no comparison between them.
While data may show something, it is impossible to simulate real world conditions. Until the 122 operates in combat, it is impossible to know.
Timasion 1 year ago
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hundturken2 1 year ago
@hundturken2 It is absolutely impossible to simulate real world conditions. There are too many factors to take into account. Why do you think our meteorologists cannot predict the weather beyond a couple days?
I'll concede that the crews are important, but given the number of tanks involved on both sides, it is not a significant factor. Furthermore, the Iraqis were actually more battle hardened than the American troops.
At the time of Desert Storm, the T-72 was well thought of.
Timasion 1 year ago
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hundturken2 1 year ago
@hundturken2 I have to disagree. As I stated, the data does not take into account real world conditions. We have numerous examples where we thought a piece of equipment would act one way but, when we got it into the field, it acted differently. For example, we did not think the AH-64 (Apache attack helicopter) would be so susceptible to sand.
Bottom line, until we see the tank operate in real world conditions, I think it is presumptuous to call it the best tank in the world.
Timasion 1 year ago
@Timasion The datas says that leopard is the better then any other. " we did not think the AH-64 (Apache attack helicopter) would be so susceptible to sand." Leopard is a proven tank and has none of those weekness. Because iis a diesel engine it works pretty much everywere. Real world conditions = drills and maouvers, it works everywere. Seperate the condition o the crew from the data of the tank. It has done the same thing as M1 in combat, exept the target wasnt old russian tanks that time.
hundturken2 1 year ago
@hundturken2 We don't know if it has those weaknesses. In my example of the AH-64, the data said it would be fine and it wasn't.
The Leopard 2 has never been in combat. It has never fought other tanks. For someone to assert it is the best tank in the world is premature.
Maneuver and drills is not real world. It is still artificial. Until you can actually see how the tank acts in combat, it is unwise to assert a particular tank is the best in the world.
Timasion 1 year ago
@Timasion The tank works fine in all conditions. Need to say more?
hundturken2 1 year ago
@hundturken2 We don't know if it works fine in all conditions as the tank has never been in combat. Until it has actually fought in combat against other tanks, it is premature to assert it's the greatest tank in the world.
Timasion 1 year ago
@Timasion The tank works fine in all conditions. Need to say more?
hundturken2 1 year ago
@hundturken2
The true test of a tank is in direct combat against another tank of its generation. The Leopard 2 must be tested against the M1A2, LeClerc and the Type 90.
NightmareKato 1 year ago
@NightmareKato In those test its 95 % luck if the crew training is fair. Impossible to compare in real action. Data shows.
hundturken2 1 year ago
@Timasion The F-22 is regarded as the best fighter jet in the world without ever having been in any real combat situation. How does that work? Or is it different because it's American. The Leo 2 aswell as the CV90 has proved themselves much superior in mobility, hence the M1A2 and the M3A3 broke down or got stuck in winter conditions during evaluation testings in Sweden. Mobility is crucial when it comes to armor. That's one goal the Leo 2 & CV90 scores against the Bradley and the Abrams
wellerocks 1 year ago 3
@Timasion I agree somewhat to what you are saying, although versions of the Leopard 2 is in active combat in the middle-east and have proven itself. The M1A2 Abrams has, from what i have read, been proven to be vulnerable against IED's. I would actually say the best MBT is brittish, not american or german.
ThePharaohBender 1 year ago
@Timasion Leaopard and M1 Challenger, K2 and so on), is more or less the same tanks, the only difference is that Europe doesn´t used DU armour or APFSDS, but the L55 gun more then compensates for that. The M1 hasn´t gone up against a real enemy tank either, at best the fought Iraqi made T-72, a obsolete tank, at best. The Leopard has been to war, Yugoslavia and Afghanistan (no tank vs. tank battles).
But as I said, western tanks are more or less identical.
swertinge07 1 year ago
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@Timasion
"No offense, but how can you designate a tank as the "world's greatest Main Battle Tank" when it's never been in a serious battle? "
The M1 wasn't in a serious battle to. He was fighting outdated T55 T62 and export versions of the T72 with a poorly trained Crew. In field test simulations it was proven that the Leopard 2A6 is superior to the M1A2. Why else should so many Nations use the Leopard over the M1A2? thats no offense too. Just a few facts.
JazzJaRa 1 year ago
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zingovalp 1 year ago
slutet.. wow :o
P0mpan 1 year ago
a great video
good job my frind
greets from germany
Basti6814 1 year ago
Trist att så få utbildas på dessa numera :(
beaversthlm 1 year ago
jag önskar mig en sån i julklapp
lordofdarkdudes 1 year ago 45
@lordofdarkdudes vem gör inte det???
Wuzzz92 1 year ago
Svenskt stål!
Chekkogrnteam 1 year ago
Underbart vackert svenskt stål till och med. Det gör en lycklig och stolt som svensk att se när vi kan producera saker fina som Stridsvagn 90.
xantosownage 1 year ago
Stridsfordon 90 menar du väl?
Bullen934 1 year ago
Stridsvagn 122* menar jag.
xantosownage 1 year ago
Oj så inte att du rättade till dig :)
Bullen934 1 year ago
its really better than our german leopard2a6, but only because of german mexas uparmor, I guess^^
but we also make some hundred tanks for the german army with special mine protection
(making it around 70 tonnes heavy, thats a beast^^)
haha all western tanks easily ourperform russian and chinese junktanks.
chinese even had to copy our diesel engine, ugly bastard spies.
we should take the chinese spies and tie them at the back of our submarines and tow them arounf in the seas
95predator 2 years ago
LOL du hast keinen plan man
das ist ein geupgradeter leopard2A5
Seine kanone ist schlechter als die des LEopard2A6
+ der Minenschutz ist DIE DEUTSCHE ERFINDUNG und ist in der KWS1 inbegriffen
du bist 14,du hast sogesagt kein plan über sowas glaub mir ... du hast bestimmt nochnichtmal nen Leopard2 in echt gesehen
Der beste Panzer der Welt ist zuden der Leopard2A6EX mit verbesserter Panzerung,Minenschutz,Mobilität dafür etwas schwerer und rund 2Km/h langsamer
PringlesSourCreamxD 2 years ago
Guided missile from 5km? Where can u find 5km of open landscape in Sweden and who will put an tank there? When I was a tank gunner I erased an t90 at 4800m whit the maingun in the tbta...
l0ranga 2 years ago
btw, there is a missile for the leopard 2, called LAHAT, its an Israeli missile, and it has a range of 6 km.
95predator 2 years ago
T80/T90 can erase it with guided missile from 5km..
xmeda 2 years ago
According to simulations the Leopard 2A6 has a 6:1 win/loss ratio against the T-80 and a 4:1 win/loss ratio against the T-90/T-95. Good luck with that russia.
wellerocks 2 years ago 4
"simulations"... ah lol..
And I saw lightswords in cinema, it has to be real too..
muhehe..
xmeda 2 years ago
Apparently, you don't know what simulations mean, there's been comparing between the models, testing of the armor as well as the main gun, testing in reality and doing advanced computer simulations through the defense simulators. It's not like playing a video game if that's what you thought.
wellerocks 2 years ago 2
You can do simulation of thigs, where you know materials precisely. I did thermomechanical simulations of materials during soldering. But nobody can simulate unknown tnaks as armor structures and top ammo are kept in secret by both sides. Its just type of marketing useless for real machine comparison. + as you mentioned T80, T90 and even T95 which is only prototype - T80 is used in U version. T90 has unknown composite armour + Kontakt5 RA is secret too..
xmeda 2 years ago
That for materials only. Another things are behavior on field, crews, weather + climate etc.. these are all important factors and simulation including all these levels will need supercomputer, which maybe will be build in 2050 or later :] All you can simulate is highly theoretical shit based on known basics.
It would be cheaper and easier to set up local conventional war on some deserted island to see real results.
xmeda 2 years ago
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krabbfiskarnful 2 years ago
Hoppas att Sverige fortsätter producera bra vapen och fordon så vi får ett gott anseende i världen.
Flyingtart 2 years ago
Nu är det ju iofs en Tysk stridsvagn...
Kroggo 2 years ago
@Kroggo
Jag sade väl inget annat hoppas jag?
Flyingtart 2 years ago
@Kroggo men det är den svenska modifierade versionen som är utsedd till den bästa
fanofmetallica94 2 years ago
Tja, stridsvangn 90 e ju världsbäst med, o den e helsvensk^^ eat that germens!
ThePannKaka1 1 year ago
@ThePannKaka1 Aa, Stridsfordon 90 menar du. Det är ett stridsfordon, det betyder att den är mindre och att du kan transportera trupper i den men den. Men Stridsfordon 90 har ändå en fet kanon! Så ja, det är nog världens bästa Stridsfordon också :)
bazzkoff 1 year ago
var du tvungen o svara bara för att säga att de hette stridsfordon istället för stridsvangn? ahah:) aja
ThePannKaka1 1 year ago
@ThePannKaka1
Jaaa, det gör väll inget med lite extra information? Finns kanske andra här som inte vet.
bazzkoff 1 year ago
Den som visas på filmen är faktiskt Stridsvagn 122. Inte Stridsfordon 90. Det är ingen APC i filmen utan en tank, den svenska versionen av Leopard 2, alltså Stridsvagn 122. Det står dessutom både i filmens titel, information samt på försvarets hemsida ;)
xantosownage 1 year ago
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@xantosownage Hahahahaha! läs lite noggrannare
''ThePannKaka1:
Tja, stridsvangn 90 e ju världsbäst med, o den e helsvensk^^ eat that germens!''
Det var det jag svarade på ;)
bazzkoff 1 year ago
Jaha ja. Nu fan hänger jag med! My bad :)
xantosownage 1 year ago
dock samverkar stridsvagnsförband alltid/oftast i direkt närhet av pansarskytteförband med strf 90 vilken även syns i vissa scener i videon ;)
Oriosho 1 year ago
och STRF 9040 är ingen APC, utan en IFV:)
Gladoh 1 year ago
Från början, ja. Men vi har modifierat den till det bättre. Svensk elektronik och datasystem mm. Svenska versionen klart bättre
EGS8877 2 years ago
frälle
farfarinsekt 2 years ago 2
Håhå va najs! Har inte Sverige bland de bättre "stealth- u-båtarna" också?
freedomisntfreeffs 2 years ago 34
Dem bästa tom.
ThePannKaka1 1 year ago
@freedomisntfreeffs aaa som jag vet
TheZniper 1 year ago
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Stromberg91 1 year ago
@Stromberg91 Tack för ditt väldigt intressanta svar, tackar så mycket! :)
freedomisntfreeffs 1 year ago
@freedomisntfreeffs
Stromberg91 1 year ago
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@freedomisntfreeffs np=))
Stromberg91 1 year ago
@freedomisntfreeffs alldels riktigt. Vi har de bästa ubåtarna i världen, dock inte så många men ändå.
sök på be aware america.
Kolla den så ser du=)) Man får allt en liten tår i ögat^^
Stromberg91 1 year ago 14
@freedomisntfreeffs
U-båtar som använder sterling motoerer ;)
CSSaVoN 1 year ago
@freedomisntfreeffs
Aenigmaa 1 year ago
@freedomisntfreeffs Vi har dom bästa i världen :) men vi är så dumma i huvet att vi avslöjar våran teknologi till Usa..
frozex1 1 year ago
@frozex1 håller med vilket dem läger till på deras aabram tanks..
Asken96 1 year ago
@freedomisntfreeffs ubåtarna vet jag inte så mycket om men dom har ett fartyg som är ett bra stealthfartyg som jag har fått se på marinbasen i karlskrona. tyvärr fick jag inte gå ombord =(
coolsnyggkille 1 year ago
@coolsnyggkille Var det visby klassen? för den har jag isf vatt ombord på ^^ man fick dock inte gå var som helst x)
SergeantJK 11 months ago
@freedomisntfreeffs Sverige har den bästa icke atomdrivna ubåten som finns eller funnits. Den är så bra att Amerikanska flottan har hyrt in den för att testa sina hangarsfartygsgrupper. Detta trots att de har sina egna high-tech ubåtar. Sök efter Gotlandklassen på Wiki.
azynkron 1 year ago
@freedomisntfreeffs Sverige var det första landet ut med stealth ubåtarna. Även HMS Gotland sänkte jänkarnas hangarfartyg 5/5 gånger. Take a guess:)
SwedishDelighter 11 months ago
@freedomisntfreeffs yep det har vi
deltaforceee 10 months ago
Mycket nice
kaptenmange 2 years ago 3
Riktigt grymt
Donslim2 2 years ago 3