Don't bother wasting your time Polarity and Djk. These kids don't know anything. They don't understand that back during the HF days, players used to strategically punish whiffed sweeps as high level footsies.
To Elton, I actually read that Apoc statement, however find another thread in which he stated that the BEST back then would've hung with Japan's best. To see players think that "footsies and zoning" today is better is utterly ridiculous. True Zoning/footsies only occured Pre-ST.
@jowrab Wasn't any real competition? The SF2 scene of the early 90s was more competitive than anything in the West since. There's nothing like arcades for leveling up.
@jowrab Chicken shit away from SF2? Or decided to move on and have a life as they accomplished something not many competitive basement dwelling tourny fags have. Meh, you wouldn't understand. You just love insulting people.
@druha10304 What are you talking about, Daigo didn`t even beat Jeff Schaeffer in their set, Daigo was even perfected 3 times by Schaeffer. And Schaeffer hadn`t played ST in around 8 years back then. How the fuck would Daigo even stand a chance against a Tomo in his prime.
The only thing supers did is destroy the element of true zoning with fire balls and normals. And now in ssiv u cant zone period thanks to the focus attack and ultra. Infact there hasnt been true zoning since hf. I also agree with jeff how people use the super as crutch. Elton chong i advise u to end ur disruptive and unnessesary trolling or else u shall be removed.
@EltonChong75 Lol...considering again that Mike doesn't Main Guile, which should be proper knowledge for anyone who's trying to claim these guys were "not as good as people claimed" they were. Yet One of Japan's Best during that Era vouched for these guys, you still have guys like James Chen talking about the crazy things Tomo did. Many of the tactics from that Era aren't even deployed today, because they are considered "myths" or near "impossible" to do.
@TrueSephiros 1) All i hear from you is romanticism and hyperbole but no substance. You are missing the point. We have common ground in that i accept Tomo et al were the best back then ( in america at least ). Yes that japo vouched for them cos they were great players BACK THEN. That does not translate to their skills back then being as good as todays best. Search jeff shaeffer on srk and there is a thread "jeff-schaeffer-interview-video-history" On page 5 is a brilliant post by Apoc
@EltonChong75 During that time nobody wanted to carry those big vid cams around + the fact most of them were young teens who couldn't afford such a thing. Why do you think there is also basically No Videos of Japan's Best during the Early-Mid 90's? Hmmm.
However hey, today's SFII era must be better right? Where footsies and zoning is heavily undervalued due to the fact that Supers have completely changed the entire facet of how we play SFII.
@TrueSephiros You are so right Seph!!! Nobody, and I mean nobody, wanted to lug around a shoulder mounted video camera. Do you younger kids even know what a VHS tape is? The cameras used to used them in the early 90's. I played against and with Tomo, Mike Watson, Jeff Schaeffer, Kuni, Vahe, and others who were OG SF2 players in Los Angeles in the early 90's. They came to an arcade in the San Fernando Valley called "Family Fun". Tomo was the best and he deserves respect.
Check this link. It will prob need some piecing together cos youtube always messes it up but with a bit of searching on SRK you will find it. Shows what Jeff is all about. An ego maniac with a personality disorder. Funny, even mike watson calls him out on his BS. An interesting read.
To EltonChong who clearly doesn't know enough of the early-mid 90's of how Dominant Tomo, Jeff, and Mike were in their prime. Mike firstly doesn't main Guile, so the video of him playing Guile is only a "taste" of what Guile's potential is. Mike mained Dictator in CE, Ryu for the most part in HF, not Guile.
The fact that you try to say Out of his prime Watson, Jeff aren't as good as today's SF2 player is laughable...of course they aren't, because they don't play serious anymore.
reality is the golden age of SF is now. I feel that when we refer to the golden age of SF were arent talking skills im talking about a time when sf was new and popular and arcades were packed. but those skills werent fully developed. they are reaching maturity today and any number of modern players would blitz the old school if they went back in time. All these heady tales are to taken with a pinch of salt. Sure they were great but put it in context. Good for those days.
i used to love the idea of some forgotten SF genius. Its a lovely thought. Its also lovely to think that bruce lee was the greatest fighter ever but reality is any number of lightweights would smash him to bits. I wasnt willing to go on believing the earth was flat and the more i thought about it i called bullshit on the whole idea. Reality is all the stories have been spun out of control by the sf spin doctors.
@pjstyles86 Thanks PJ.You arent alone, in fact most serious players of today would agree with me. Its just that Jeff, tomo and others are considered Streetfighter royalty and they wont publicaly speak against them. Tomo did the right thing, he just disappeared. Jeff became a sadcase having a midlife crisis banging on about the game and not playing. Check his schoolboy errors wen discussing ssf4. he doesnt know what hes on about. Fatman Watson is just a clown in the game way past his sell by date
ask gerald abraham about the japan/usa skill differences, he said during 91-92 evey arcade in tokyo had someone as good as tomo on champion edition - there were many great players aside from just tachigawa. do you know of the kansai ryu player hameken?
@theycallmejpj The biggest measuring stick was Kuni imo, since he ranked Top-5 in Japan and within US at that time, so when you look at that, the US players were neck and neck w/ the Japanese players.
My problem w/ CE comparisons to both countries were that the Japanese if I remember correctly got a toned down version of CE where dictator is modded which changes things alot. CE Dic in japan ver. does only like 4-hits on block w/ crusher while in US ver. a monster 6-hits, and things like that.
@TrueSephiros Enough already with your myths & legends based on heresay and romanticism. Show me footage of Tomo or keep quiet with this baseless crap. Sure he was good back then but HF required a limited skill set compared to ST. Proof of what i say can be seen in Mike Watson who was one of the greats but was pretty irrelevent on ST. Why didnt all his "advanced tactics" see him through when he got clapped out of the game by the best of Japan.
@TrueSephiros 2) Watson continued on ST and was irrelevant for the most part. Shaeffer and tomo quit cos their egos wouldnt allow them to play second fiddle to all the new talent. They still have the passion for the game, proof is jeffs page where he rambles incessantly about old glories and some BS win over Daigo using CE guile. CE GUILE!!! To cite that as evidence he is better than daigo is like me saying im harder than Mike tyson cos i hit him with a sledgehammer. Come on man.
@TrueSephiros 3) Iv told jeff, stop talking, stop bragging about old glories and make some new ones if you're as great as you say. Tell me if he is retired then why all the vids. Seriously i used to respect him until i realised he is essentially defaming the greatest street fighter of all time, Daigo of course, with that BS vid. The dishonesty is off the scale. Best players of all time are all japs. Daigo, muteki, Komoda and more. We have the vids to prove it whereas u have romanticism and myth.
@TrueSephiros 4) Im being real here, it wont be popular, il be shot down but the honest and discerning know what im saying is true. CE guile, overpowered, huge damage, faster boom recovery, long cr foward poke hit ryu out of fireballs at range, less frames on backfist start up, longer flash kick range. its ridiculous. sure jeff used some other characters but majority were with CE guile. Fact is if he went toe to toe on a level playing field ie ST vs ST daigo wud have smashed him to bits.
@TrueSephiros iv seen the footage of mike watson guile. it doesnt come even close to the briliance of muteki. same with jeffs blanka compard to komoda. they are like night and day. I know this vid is of tomo but the guys iv mentioned jeff and mike are certainly in the same league as tomo so it's a good yardstick in the absence of tomo vids. Seriously, a lot of people are perpetuating this myth based on essentially nothing plus a vid of jeff playing casuals with daigo and iv already debunked that
@EltonChong75 Your comparing a footage of Mike Watson from 2007 of him playing Guile and saying that he's not as good as Muteki? Are you serious here? Hopefully you realize that Watson of the current time is not the same as Early 90's Watson. That video of Jeff is him Out Of His Prime. Read his description.
The fact is, you are comparing Two Players who don't even play 8+ hrs a day and saying they aren't equal to the current Japanese players. Stop w/ the nonsense already.
@TrueSephiros Im actually referring to the footage of him playing jesse howard back in 1994. That was a prime mike watson, hitler moustache and all. go watch it. Mike was a very good guile back then but the skill of players was nothing compared to today. in todays world he would be average even if he had his prime skills. he entered a scary world of new players whos skills surpassed his and his peers. watson became an also ran and jeff and tomo bowed out with their reps intact.
@EltonChong75 As for my crudentials, I'm not a Super Elite Top Player, I once played SFII competitively back in the day within the Mid-West. However for me to hear the name of "Tomo Ohira" when the internet was still in its infancy and this came from word of mouth goes to show just how good he was.
It was in that era that SFII Fundamentals were at its absolute zenith, the fact that you claim these guys were "too good to be true" makes me realize how little you know of SF2's History.
@monkeypower Hmm During Tomo's height, EVERYONE was playing SF2... it was the ONLY game of this caliber for both Japan and the US. I don't think it's safe to assume that the Japanese always had the edge in SF2... at least not during such early times. If you look at how Jeff, after years of SF inactivity, manages to meddle with Diago... you can only imagine what Tomo was like back when he played.
@monkeypower Of course, if you put Tomo on the Japanese scene he would find new challenges abroad but I still think Tomo would have been very very dominant. He wouldn't be "trashed" like JWong. JWong's mark is still in Marvel and not so much in SF games (if you don't consider SF4 to be a true SF game).
@monkeypower That's not true, even Kuni Fanada had said that Japan had maybe 1 or 2 guys that might have competed with Tomo at best. And that's straight from the most interconnected player between Japan and the USA during the Golden era and most likely even now.
@Sakurazukamori2424 There are no evidence of this except through the words of a single Japanese player who is probably just being too nice. Japanese players are known to be too modest. YhcMochi claims Sabin is the better dhalsim player. Is that true....ofc not
@monkeypower Your crazy here, Kuni vouched for Tomo and he placed within the Top-5 for within Japan AND the USA at the time. So he would have a great measuring of both players abilities.
Jeff who was 10+ yrs retired from competition won more matches against Daigo then he lost in AE...and this was back in 2004, when Daigo was at his absolute prime in SFII. So if Jeff who got owned by Tomo back in the day basically stomped and even perfected all of Daigo's mains pretty much tells the tail.
@monkeypower Tachikawa was the only player in Japan mentioned to be about as good as Tomo was back in his prime. So get out here with the nonsense, back then, our best players would have hung with the best from Japan, because there was far, far, far more competition during that time. Many ridiculous tactics then aren't even used by today's top SFII players, and that's saying alot.
@TrueSephiros tomo didn't play turbo I don't know why you brought up Schaeffer when it's a different game. Ridiculous tactics...lol k. So the skills got worse over time...k sure.
@monkeypower Pre-ST players know that footsies, zoning were all diluted once supers showed up because it could compensate for the lack of fundamentals and skewered risk/reward ratio. Why sit there and learn how to out footsie and win by sweeps worth of damage when a super can dish you 50-60% damage. Tactics of Ryu sweeping Guile's c.mk on reaction who does that crazy stuff today? Nobody.
Jeff being brought up was to show you how a 10+ yr retired guy knew the SFII game more then Prime Daigo.
@monkeypower Remember, Tomo Ohira was playing old school Street Fighter (refering to WW,CE,HF,SSF2). I'm not referring to SSF2 Turbo where you can spam your super meter and get lucky wins. In old school Street Fighter you had to use your reactions, zoning, and dominant positioning to win the match. To say that (If Tomo Ohira went to Japan and played the best players in Japan he would have been trashed) is ridicules. By not having super meters in the game, SF2 would have been played somewhat...
@monkeypower similarly everywhere (not strategically, but based on what the game will allow you to do; example, your opponent sticks out a low short and you use your roundhouse to counter attack your opponent on reaction). So basically, the player that has the better strategy and overall knowledge of the game (with the zoning, positioning, and the reactions) will be the victor!
I remember Tomo with Charles at Pirates Cove they came over and it was the first time I saw "footsies." Tomo was so good at the distance and playing that game, he beat me almost using footsies alone.
hope you guys like this interview. myself and mike ross went out of our way to get this and countless hours rushing to have it done by evo. glad to see some nice replies here and once again, hope everyone enjoyed it!
Thanks for stealing my recording of this interview at Evo. You know in the end it doesn't fucking matter, I was there. Got great seats and had good company. You could have asked before taking what is basically my home movie as if it were your own.
For those that give a shit, please remember to check out the Shoryuken forums and Evo2k. You don't want to miss the event. It's hype as hell.
Me and BradfordX2 are cool now. :) Didn't realize my vids got taken down. :(
I was the one who said "Yeah!" early in the video. :) Wish I could remember the cool couple that sat next to me at Evo and saved me my chair all night. It's Elvis btw! Was really cool of you two!
I had one of the best seats in the house. :D I had to sit there from like 9am until the end of Evo. ; ;
I remember watching this guy when I was a kid on the VHS I have, with strats and combos and shit. Always wanted to know what he's been up to once I got into sf4.
You just said "This is why the British scene sucks," nothing else. Tomo really has little to do with the British scene and that's what this video is about.
Unfortunately, the scene in most of America today sucks pretty hard as well. The guys in California are lucky to have so many great arcades and events. New York has a few really well known arcades. There's not much to be found in between. It's too bad; For most of us Americans these golden years are just as far removed as from you guys.
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DJREMINISE 5 days ago
Don't bother wasting your time Polarity and Djk. These kids don't know anything. They don't understand that back during the HF days, players used to strategically punish whiffed sweeps as high level footsies.
To Elton, I actually read that Apoc statement, however find another thread in which he stated that the BEST back then would've hung with Japan's best. To see players think that "footsies and zoning" today is better is utterly ridiculous. True Zoning/footsies only occured Pre-ST.
TrueSephiros 1 month ago
@jowrab Wasn't any real competition? The SF2 scene of the early 90s was more competitive than anything in the West since. There's nothing like arcades for leveling up.
polarity55 2 months ago
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKIN LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEGEND!
WillsGameShelf 6 months ago
tomo comes on my favorite clan lol
MegaDeathwarrant 7 months ago
@jowrab Chicken shit away from SF2? Or decided to move on and have a life as they accomplished something not many competitive basement dwelling tourny fags have. Meh, you wouldn't understand. You just love insulting people.
JacopeX 7 months ago
diago is overrated he lost to plenty of oldschool players one being jeff schaefer
finalbio 8 months ago
daigo woulda beat the shit out of him and strangled his mothers
druha10304 8 months ago
@druha10304 What are you talking about, Daigo didn`t even beat Jeff Schaeffer in their set, Daigo was even perfected 3 times by Schaeffer. And Schaeffer hadn`t played ST in around 8 years back then. How the fuck would Daigo even stand a chance against a Tomo in his prime.
Sakurazukamori2424 2 days ago in playlist Tomo Tape + Interview
this guy is a legend. awesome vid
IamEVILBLANKA 8 months ago
I fault in respecting modern men. However, predecessors are somehow majestic to me. This guy is fuckin cool.
hoagiesupreme 9 months ago
tomo still has the same hair style O_o
JHollman 1 year ago 3
@JHollman It's the secret to his power.
falcolombardi2116 11 months ago
The only thing supers did is destroy the element of true zoning with fire balls and normals. And now in ssiv u cant zone period thanks to the focus attack and ultra. Infact there hasnt been true zoning since hf. I also agree with jeff how people use the super as crutch. Elton chong i advise u to end ur disruptive and unnessesary trolling or else u shall be removed.
BradfordX2 1 year ago 6
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EltonChong75 1 year ago
@EltonChong75 Lol...considering again that Mike doesn't Main Guile, which should be proper knowledge for anyone who's trying to claim these guys were "not as good as people claimed" they were. Yet One of Japan's Best during that Era vouched for these guys, you still have guys like James Chen talking about the crazy things Tomo did. Many of the tactics from that Era aren't even deployed today, because they are considered "myths" or near "impossible" to do.
TrueSephiros 1 year ago
@TrueSephiros 1) All i hear from you is romanticism and hyperbole but no substance. You are missing the point. We have common ground in that i accept Tomo et al were the best back then ( in america at least ). Yes that japo vouched for them cos they were great players BACK THEN. That does not translate to their skills back then being as good as todays best. Search jeff shaeffer on srk and there is a thread "jeff-schaeffer-interview-video-history" On page 5 is a brilliant post by Apoc
EltonChong75 1 year ago
@EltonChong75 During that time nobody wanted to carry those big vid cams around + the fact most of them were young teens who couldn't afford such a thing. Why do you think there is also basically No Videos of Japan's Best during the Early-Mid 90's? Hmmm.
However hey, today's SFII era must be better right? Where footsies and zoning is heavily undervalued due to the fact that Supers have completely changed the entire facet of how we play SFII.
TrueSephiros 1 year ago
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EltonChong75 1 year ago
@TrueSephiros You are so right Seph!!! Nobody, and I mean nobody, wanted to lug around a shoulder mounted video camera. Do you younger kids even know what a VHS tape is? The cameras used to used them in the early 90's. I played against and with Tomo, Mike Watson, Jeff Schaeffer, Kuni, Vahe, and others who were OG SF2 players in Los Angeles in the early 90's. They came to an arcade in the San Fernando Valley called "Family Fun". Tomo was the best and he deserves respect.
Djk1tk4t 2 months ago
Check this link. It will prob need some piecing together cos youtube always messes it up but with a bit of searching on SRK you will find it. Shows what Jeff is all about. An ego maniac with a personality disorder. Funny, even mike watson calls him out on his BS. An interesting read.
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EltonChong75 1 year ago
To EltonChong who clearly doesn't know enough of the early-mid 90's of how Dominant Tomo, Jeff, and Mike were in their prime. Mike firstly doesn't main Guile, so the video of him playing Guile is only a "taste" of what Guile's potential is. Mike mained Dictator in CE, Ryu for the most part in HF, not Guile.
The fact that you try to say Out of his prime Watson, Jeff aren't as good as today's SF2 player is laughable...of course they aren't, because they don't play serious anymore.
TrueSephiros 1 year ago
reality is the golden age of SF is now. I feel that when we refer to the golden age of SF were arent talking skills im talking about a time when sf was new and popular and arcades were packed. but those skills werent fully developed. they are reaching maturity today and any number of modern players would blitz the old school if they went back in time. All these heady tales are to taken with a pinch of salt. Sure they were great but put it in context. Good for those days.
EltonChong75 1 year ago
i used to love the idea of some forgotten SF genius. Its a lovely thought. Its also lovely to think that bruce lee was the greatest fighter ever but reality is any number of lightweights would smash him to bits. I wasnt willing to go on believing the earth was flat and the more i thought about it i called bullshit on the whole idea. Reality is all the stories have been spun out of control by the sf spin doctors.
EltonChong75 1 year ago
Elton Chong's is being realistic here.
pjstyles86 1 year ago
@pjstyles86 Thanks PJ.You arent alone, in fact most serious players of today would agree with me. Its just that Jeff, tomo and others are considered Streetfighter royalty and they wont publicaly speak against them. Tomo did the right thing, he just disappeared. Jeff became a sadcase having a midlife crisis banging on about the game and not playing. Check his schoolboy errors wen discussing ssf4. he doesnt know what hes on about. Fatman Watson is just a clown in the game way past his sell by date
EltonChong75 1 year ago
tomo is japanese blood lolz
KzFreshKz 1 year ago
i wonder when (IF) Daigo was watching this what did he say, when Tomo, said
"Daigo whats his name?"
Chaldean4life91 1 year ago
Waats, get him on ggpo! SFCE and hyper is now on there. I'd LOVE to play against him.
Dajago 1 year ago
Tomo once flash-kicked a horse in the chin. Its descendants are today called Giraffes.
Tomo once made Dee Jay stop smiling.
Tomo is the reason Charlie is hiding.
Tomo once shoryuken'ed a throw on reaction.
Tomo got mad at his XBOX so he tatsu'd it into a 360.
SilveryDark25 1 year ago 25
@SilveryDark25
these are so bad yet i love them
onreload 1 year ago
ask gerald abraham about the japan/usa skill differences, he said during 91-92 evey arcade in tokyo had someone as good as tomo on champion edition - there were many great players aside from just tachigawa. do you know of the kansai ryu player hameken?
theycallmejpj 1 year ago
@theycallmejpj The biggest measuring stick was Kuni imo, since he ranked Top-5 in Japan and within US at that time, so when you look at that, the US players were neck and neck w/ the Japanese players.
My problem w/ CE comparisons to both countries were that the Japanese if I remember correctly got a toned down version of CE where dictator is modded which changes things alot. CE Dic in japan ver. does only like 4-hits on block w/ crusher while in US ver. a monster 6-hits, and things like that.
TrueSephiros 1 year ago
@TrueSephiros Enough already with your myths & legends based on heresay and romanticism. Show me footage of Tomo or keep quiet with this baseless crap. Sure he was good back then but HF required a limited skill set compared to ST. Proof of what i say can be seen in Mike Watson who was one of the greats but was pretty irrelevent on ST. Why didnt all his "advanced tactics" see him through when he got clapped out of the game by the best of Japan.
EltonChong75 1 year ago
@TrueSephiros 2) Watson continued on ST and was irrelevant for the most part. Shaeffer and tomo quit cos their egos wouldnt allow them to play second fiddle to all the new talent. They still have the passion for the game, proof is jeffs page where he rambles incessantly about old glories and some BS win over Daigo using CE guile. CE GUILE!!! To cite that as evidence he is better than daigo is like me saying im harder than Mike tyson cos i hit him with a sledgehammer. Come on man.
EltonChong75 1 year ago
@TrueSephiros 3) Iv told jeff, stop talking, stop bragging about old glories and make some new ones if you're as great as you say. Tell me if he is retired then why all the vids. Seriously i used to respect him until i realised he is essentially defaming the greatest street fighter of all time, Daigo of course, with that BS vid. The dishonesty is off the scale. Best players of all time are all japs. Daigo, muteki, Komoda and more. We have the vids to prove it whereas u have romanticism and myth.
EltonChong75 1 year ago
@TrueSephiros 4) Im being real here, it wont be popular, il be shot down but the honest and discerning know what im saying is true. CE guile, overpowered, huge damage, faster boom recovery, long cr foward poke hit ryu out of fireballs at range, less frames on backfist start up, longer flash kick range. its ridiculous. sure jeff used some other characters but majority were with CE guile. Fact is if he went toe to toe on a level playing field ie ST vs ST daigo wud have smashed him to bits.
EltonChong75 1 year ago
@TrueSephiros iv seen the footage of mike watson guile. it doesnt come even close to the briliance of muteki. same with jeffs blanka compard to komoda. they are like night and day. I know this vid is of tomo but the guys iv mentioned jeff and mike are certainly in the same league as tomo so it's a good yardstick in the absence of tomo vids. Seriously, a lot of people are perpetuating this myth based on essentially nothing plus a vid of jeff playing casuals with daigo and iv already debunked that
EltonChong75 1 year ago
@EltonChong75 Your comparing a footage of Mike Watson from 2007 of him playing Guile and saying that he's not as good as Muteki? Are you serious here? Hopefully you realize that Watson of the current time is not the same as Early 90's Watson. That video of Jeff is him Out Of His Prime. Read his description.
The fact is, you are comparing Two Players who don't even play 8+ hrs a day and saying they aren't equal to the current Japanese players. Stop w/ the nonsense already.
TrueSephiros 1 year ago
@TrueSephiros Im actually referring to the footage of him playing jesse howard back in 1994. That was a prime mike watson, hitler moustache and all. go watch it. Mike was a very good guile back then but the skill of players was nothing compared to today. in todays world he would be average even if he had his prime skills. he entered a scary world of new players whos skills surpassed his and his peers. watson became an also ran and jeff and tomo bowed out with their reps intact.
EltonChong75 1 year ago
@EltonChong75 As for my crudentials, I'm not a Super Elite Top Player, I once played SFII competitively back in the day within the Mid-West. However for me to hear the name of "Tomo Ohira" when the internet was still in its infancy and this came from word of mouth goes to show just how good he was.
It was in that era that SFII Fundamentals were at its absolute zenith, the fact that you claim these guys were "too good to be true" makes me realize how little you know of SF2's History.
TrueSephiros 1 year ago
funny, his hair didnt change
cliffburton333 1 year ago
if only tomo would come back for some reason. wonder if he plays or tried sf4
tuber52 1 year ago
While Diago was sucking on his mama's titties...
Tomo was sucking on titties of teenage bitches and fucking people up with his mastery of TDR!
christpunchers 1 year ago
@christpunchers He won the majority of the US tournies...same thing with Justin Wong. If he went to Japan he would have got trashed
monkeypower 1 year ago
@monkeypower Hmm During Tomo's height, EVERYONE was playing SF2... it was the ONLY game of this caliber for both Japan and the US. I don't think it's safe to assume that the Japanese always had the edge in SF2... at least not during such early times. If you look at how Jeff, after years of SF inactivity, manages to meddle with Diago... you can only imagine what Tomo was like back when he played.
christpunchers 1 year ago 2
@monkeypower Of course, if you put Tomo on the Japanese scene he would find new challenges abroad but I still think Tomo would have been very very dominant. He wouldn't be "trashed" like JWong. JWong's mark is still in Marvel and not so much in SF games (if you don't consider SF4 to be a true SF game).
christpunchers 1 year ago
@monkeypower That's not true, even Kuni Fanada had said that Japan had maybe 1 or 2 guys that might have competed with Tomo at best. And that's straight from the most interconnected player between Japan and the USA during the Golden era and most likely even now.
Sakurazukamori2424 1 year ago
@Sakurazukamori2424 and Tokido in this year's evo said that japan and usa are tied right now for ssf4. LOL
monkeypower 1 year ago
@Sakurazukamori2424 There are no evidence of this except through the words of a single Japanese player who is probably just being too nice. Japanese players are known to be too modest. YhcMochi claims Sabin is the better dhalsim player. Is that true....ofc not
monkeypower 1 year ago
@monkeypower Your crazy here, Kuni vouched for Tomo and he placed within the Top-5 for within Japan AND the USA at the time. So he would have a great measuring of both players abilities.
Jeff who was 10+ yrs retired from competition won more matches against Daigo then he lost in AE...and this was back in 2004, when Daigo was at his absolute prime in SFII. So if Jeff who got owned by Tomo back in the day basically stomped and even perfected all of Daigo's mains pretty much tells the tail.
TrueSephiros 1 year ago 3
@monkeypower Tachikawa was the only player in Japan mentioned to be about as good as Tomo was back in his prime. So get out here with the nonsense, back then, our best players would have hung with the best from Japan, because there was far, far, far more competition during that time. Many ridiculous tactics then aren't even used by today's top SFII players, and that's saying alot.
TrueSephiros 1 year ago 2
@TrueSephiros tomo didn't play turbo I don't know why you brought up Schaeffer when it's a different game. Ridiculous tactics...lol k. So the skills got worse over time...k sure.
monkeypower 1 year ago
@monkeypower Pre-ST players know that footsies, zoning were all diluted once supers showed up because it could compensate for the lack of fundamentals and skewered risk/reward ratio. Why sit there and learn how to out footsie and win by sweeps worth of damage when a super can dish you 50-60% damage. Tactics of Ryu sweeping Guile's c.mk on reaction who does that crazy stuff today? Nobody.
Jeff being brought up was to show you how a 10+ yr retired guy knew the SFII game more then Prime Daigo.
TrueSephiros 1 year ago 7
@monkeypower skills did get worse over time....
KeenoMajeeno1 1 year ago
@monkeypower Remember, Tomo Ohira was playing old school Street Fighter (refering to WW,CE,HF,SSF2). I'm not referring to SSF2 Turbo where you can spam your super meter and get lucky wins. In old school Street Fighter you had to use your reactions, zoning, and dominant positioning to win the match. To say that (If Tomo Ohira went to Japan and played the best players in Japan he would have been trashed) is ridicules. By not having super meters in the game, SF2 would have been played somewhat...
BlueRaizen 1 year ago
@monkeypower similarly everywhere (not strategically, but based on what the game will allow you to do; example, your opponent sticks out a low short and you use your roundhouse to counter attack your opponent on reaction). So basically, the player that has the better strategy and overall knowledge of the game (with the zoning, positioning, and the reactions) will be the victor!
BlueRaizen 1 year ago
omg there's production value!!!??! epic
3sPwner 1 year ago
Tomo > Daigo?
christpunchers 1 year ago
@christpunchers in sf2 easily
Rza06 1 year ago
I remember Tomo with Charles at Pirates Cove they came over and it was the first time I saw "footsies." Tomo was so good at the distance and playing that game, he beat me almost using footsies alone.
tmc359 1 year ago
hope you guys like this interview. myself and mike ross went out of our way to get this and countless hours rushing to have it done by evo. glad to see some nice replies here and once again, hope everyone enjoyed it!
mrmikey77 1 year ago 8
TOMO OHIRA!
we will never know, but i do know one thing... we all (in the sf2 community, srk..stc..) would LOVE to have you back to kick everyone's ass!
rocknflip66 1 year ago
Tomo vs Daigo HSF2T
Match of the Millenium.
ankoripasta 2 years ago
Thanks for stealing my recording of this interview at Evo. You know in the end it doesn't fucking matter, I was there. Got great seats and had good company. You could have asked before taking what is basically my home movie as if it were your own.
For those that give a shit, please remember to check out the Shoryuken forums and Evo2k. You don't want to miss the event. It's hype as hell.
strikerk 2 years ago
Me and BradfordX2 are cool now. :) Didn't realize my vids got taken down. :(
I was the one who said "Yeah!" early in the video. :) Wish I could remember the cool couple that sat next to me at Evo and saved me my chair all night. It's Elvis btw! Was really cool of you two!
I had one of the best seats in the house. :D I had to sit there from like 9am until the end of Evo. ; ;
strikerk 1 year ago
I think Apoll said it best in Rocky III
you know Stallion, it's too bad we got to get hold.
Was that the full interview and will he ever attend Evo ever
AbhiB 2 years ago
hmmm, this retired street fighter player is as old as valle... hmmm...
spinseffing 2 years ago
"This guy.. Daigo.. Whats his name?" I can't stop rewinding that part lol
lancecryor 2 years ago 18
@lancecryor
hahaha
snkammar2 2 years ago
@lancecryor yo lance watch the laacuma videos about the street fighter 2 scene in the begining.
narayita 1 year ago
I remember watching this guy when I was a kid on the VHS I have, with strats and combos and shit. Always wanted to know what he's been up to once I got into sf4.
Wadarec 2 years ago
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everyone in that room is a virgin
wra7h 2 years ago
Wait...Hondas first name is Edmund?
vnvmonz 2 years ago
Well, the "E" had to stand for SOMETHING!
geekgo4 1 year ago
"This guy Daigo uhh..whats his name"
Its like The Rock on the big-screen verbally laying the smackdown on John Cena.
RSXemperor 2 years ago 19
@RSXemperor truest words i've ever seen.
RiceLUMFAO 2 years ago 2
and this is why the British fighting game scene sucks dick.
Feel glad that you guys live in america.
turnbacktime 2 years ago 3
I'm not sure I understand. The British fighting game scene sucks because... Tomo is getting older now?
Makingnewnamesisdumb 2 years ago
americans actually held competitions during what was probably the greatest few years for fighting games.
And Tomo is only 32-33 since when is anyone too old too be playing fighting games? he's the same age as Valle.
turnbacktime 2 years ago 5
You just said "This is why the British scene sucks," nothing else. Tomo really has little to do with the British scene and that's what this video is about.
Unfortunately, the scene in most of America today sucks pretty hard as well. The guys in California are lucky to have so many great arcades and events. New York has a few really well known arcades. There's not much to be found in between. It's too bad; For most of us Americans these golden years are just as far removed as from you guys.
Makingnewnamesisdumb 2 years ago
A true legend!
MoniraKing92 2 years ago 2
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That opening both the SF2 figures commercial and the F***ing star wars opening and SoCal failed to destory us in NorCal
PSNGreyLynx 2 years ago
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atleast he doesnt look so fucked up as daigo lol
SoundtracksOriginal 2 years ago
sandstorm
iponyou 2 years ago
Glorious.
Riposte8 2 years ago
we talkin' 'bout practice
traqueofziche 2 years ago 6
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This is funny. I will post a video response to it on my channel in a few days.
Jeff
laakuma 2 years ago 3
its's an honor to finally hear about the legend in person, thank you bradfordx for putting this up for people like me who didnt make it to evo 2009
rocknflip66 2 years ago 4
FFFUUUUUUUUUUU
Cicada1337 2 years ago
the best Guile player ever went home and became a family man
EsotericWings 2 years ago 174
this comment = Win!!! never thought of it that way
bukkake247 2 years ago
YESSSSSS
RiceLUMFAO 2 years ago
hahaha he did exactly wat guile told his opponents 2 do lol
retromaniac617 2 years ago 9
he even has the hair O_O
EmoDKTsuchiya 2 years ago 5
@EsotericWings Some play the game. Tomo lived the philosophy. Maybe that's why he was ahead of everyone else back then.
This is like when Daigo quit and wandered around homeless like Ryu for 4 years until Street Fighter 4.
gjfwang 1 year ago
The best street fighter player ever.
neimanphillips 2 years ago 3
Thank you. On behalf of everyone who couldn't be there at Evo 2009, thank you.
19TSEliot48 2 years ago
awesome.
tskitz 2 years ago 2
"uhh....this guy....daigo?"
LMAO
hohji 2 years ago 15
"daigo, what's his name?"
fucking best shit ever
RaishinX 2 years ago 92