Pontiac Solstice vs. Mazda MX-5

[jmitnick210]

300+ pounds akin to carrying around Star Jones everywhere you go ... haha

right on

[pepsivanilla93]

flip the audio channels, the guy on the right is coming out of my left speaker and vice versa...it's hard holding a laptop upside down for 5 minutes

[dahGnote]

im rooting for the guy in the black jacket..the guy in the brown cares to much on the style of the cars..its retatarded..driving enthusiest want both style and performance..and thats what the miata offers..plus its still cheaper and better, to my opinion compared to the two GM cars

[stinkistiltkin]

Miata is a squat, ugly underpowered little runt. With uncomfortable seats, clearly designed for lady drivers and short trips, the ride is uncomfortable as hell, you'd rather drive a Mini cabriolet. Why anybody thinks they look good in one is amazing.

[dustziggy]

@stinkistiltkin Its not about looking good...its about having fun driving this fun car. If your fat, lazy, can't be bothered shifting your own gears and used to driving around an American sofa on wheels your not gonna understand

[stinkistiltkin]

@dustziggy Fat and lazy? You clearly know as much about me as you do about American cars. Or American sofas come to that. Why would anybody who thinks the Miata is a p.o.s. be a couch potato? I'm sorry that driving one has turned you defensive . Not that I don't sympathise, mind. If I had to drive one I'd probably be twice as touchy.

[KryzMasta]

I drove the Opel GT for a week, which is the Opel version of the Saturn Sky, and the guy on the left was right on the money with most of his doubts: the performance isn't all that bad, but the 5-speed gearbox is not good enough for this kind of car, and the bootspace is virtually non-existant. I didn't mind the roof was manual, but why is it so heavy with so little inside?

I'm not an MX-5 fan (too girly), but as far as roadsters go, this car is unbeaten for two decades now.

[pg88corfu]

@KryzMasta totally right and agreed with your point of view!!! i am considering buying either the gt or the miata and the only problem i face when it comes to choose is the rolling accelerations...opel with 36 kgm(2500-5000) of torque seems much faster than the miata's 19 kgm but if you look at the weight of those cars you realize there's no big difference at all.with 300 kg more the opel is much more slower than the numbers say...

And here is where i need your suggestion since u drove the gt!

[KryzMasta]

@pg88corfu I think you should just do a test run in both cars. The handling of the GT isn't all that bad, and it does feel pretty fast, but first gear is so short, that you really can't use the power of the engine off the line. Also, the interior is very plastic, and as stated, there is no boot space whatsoever, so going on a trip with 2 people: forget it.

I've never driven an MX-5 / Miata, so I can't compare, but I find it a little girly. The latest version is better though. Good luck!

[alfredomnzn]

It's funny  solstic desapear. 2009 miata you see it every where. time talks.

[huntercat12]

i Guess the mx-5 wins production accounts for a lot hehe

[dennisandvicki]

WWCD (What Would Chee Do?)

[rikisaltacorp]

That guy looks like jack black lol

[Forshbr04]

Sorry, but the Solstice had the same problem that a lot of recent GM cars have had: It was superficial. Sure, it looked great, but everything else lagged. The pro-Solstice guy uses an argument I've heard from GM fans for years: Normal people won't care/don't notice. Guess what, a lot of people do notice, and that's why the Solstice is dead.

[bboy4050]

get the fat ass in the brown outa here.. he talks so much about style but he aint got any himself. the solstice sucks ass.. miata is the best roadster there is period..

[justduck1313]

The Miata was no match and still is no match in performance for the LNF Kappas. In the looks department....it was never even close.

[odinandme]

I used to be a hardcore American car guy, though lately I'm into German and Japanese cars. Much better technology, and much better value. Plus they know the correct melting point of steel in those countries.

[joenlaw]

@odinandme but no car comes close the sound of a american v8 engine

[voodoospankdoll]

@MAZDAEYESONLY - You're absolutely right, it was completely redesigned from the ground up in 2006.

I guess now that the Solstice and Sky aren't even in production anymore, the answers to the commentator's questions as to them being competitors to the MX5 are clear.

[MAZDAEYESONLY]

WHAT!!!, you GUYS know NOTHING about the MX-5...to say is has not had a redesign since 1990 is TOTALLY WRONG!..the 2006 MY MX-5 is ALL new with an all new platform (RX-8), every part except the side indicator is ALL NEW...get this right before you comment!

[RainbowButterfly85]

So, I see, you're allowed to use older American cars to attack their current value, but I am not allowed to use other older American cars to defend their current value. So basically you're making it where we cannot argue on equal terms. Sad, huh? Also I forgot to wish you a merry Christmas. So merry Christmas, strictlydiesel, you lose.

[strictlydiesel]

@RainbowButterfly85

A sunbird is hardly a classic. And I have cited the fact that Civics/Sentras/Corollas and the like consistently hold their value better than their American counterparts TODAY, but you seem to throw out anything I say that doesn't agree with what you think.

Congrats on being borderline retarded.

[RainbowButterfly85]

I cannot believe it took me this long to remember this, look at the very first comment you made, the one which sparked our argument. So, you're allowed to use an older American car to make an attack on it's current value. However, I am not allowed to use older American cars to defend the fact that they have a higher current value than older Japanese cars. You constantly mention that classics do not pertain to the argument, because they have nothing to do with the value of cars today.

[RainbowButterfly85]

You can argue with every living person on the planet, and it still won't change anything when the Solstice is worth more than the Miata. Come to think of it, you can argue with every living person on the planet NOW, and it still won't prevent the Solstice from becoming more valuable. The information is out there, everyone reading this has a computer, obviously. They can look it up, and find the truth themselves. Goodbye strictlydiesel, have fun, and have a nice life.

[RainbowButterfly85]

As I said, the information is out there, anyone can look it up, and compare the two cars' values, starting prices, and anything else they want to know. The Solstice is worth more when compared equally. So go ahead, have your little last saying, (I know you will, because you 'have' to win). But you still won't win. As I said before. Who are you going to argue with when the Solstice is more than the miata? That's the best part, because honestly, who CAN you argue with?

[RainbowButterfly85]

I am done arguing with you, as I said, you're not even worth it. You think you can make attacks on my intellect, when you have such little backing to be arguing with me, yes I will attack this again. You know why? Because you are arguing with me about CARS, and you do not even know the basics, which is body styles. You called a Sunbird a roadster, learn the difference between a roadster and a coupe convertible, then come back and argue with people.

[strictlydiesel]

I don't know anything about cars, and you didn't even know what a VW Corrado was.

You're hilarious. You actually might have a career in comedy, I suggest you pursue that.

The Sunbird was Pontiac's (futile) attempt at trying to pander to the same market that the Miata was so successful in, albeit they tried to be more practical. It is not SO out of line to place a comparison of these two cars. How do you not understand this?

[RainbowButterfly85]

You can argue with me forever and ever, but you will never win. Anyone who reads all of this obviously has a computer, and a perfectly good set of fingers. So they can easily search all over the internet, and they can find out the starting prices on the cars at certain times, and their current values. Who are you going to argue with in 30, or 40 years when the Solstice is worth more than the miata? Me? America? Japan? Buyers? Who? Who are you going to argue with then?

[RainbowButterfly85]

I cannot seem to post links, so you can just as easily search, your fingers are obviously not broken. Look at "mediawest's" Solstice/Sky VS the Miata, it's right here on Youtube, so finding it will be easy, as it is just around the corner. Even being proven wrong you still will not accept it because you know. You know, but you think arguing with me is going to change something.

[strictlydiesel]

I haven't been proven "wrong," you just have a counterpoint.

Okay, understood that the first model year of the Solstice is valued at the same as the Miata, which would dictate that the 2006 Miata has depreciated faster than the 2006 Solstice.

But how do you account for the faster depreciation of the Solstice for the next model year? And the 2008 model year?

The Solstice was priced significantly higher than the MX5 both 2007 and 2008, and value is negligible between the two now.

[RainbowButterfly85]

I checked NADA, and Kelley Blue Book, and I have already told you that the 2008 models were what I had used to compare with eachother, and trim per trim, package per package, option per option, the Solstice still came out on top. "Priced significantly higher"? YOU cite YOUR sources, what is significantly higher to you? A couple hundred? No, I would consider "significantly higher" to be at LEAST $1,500. But we all know the Solstice wasn't that much higher, now don't we? :)

[RainbowButterfly85]

That's sad on the Miata's behalf, in 2006 the Solstice was somewhere around $18-19,500, and the miata was around $20,000. For them to be valued at the same, well it speaks for itself.

[strictlydiesel]

Who's data is that?

Cite your source.

[RainbowButterfly85]

Oh my God, I never said a Dodge Viper is a classic, or has extreme value, I actually have to remind YOU of something I said in a private message despite the fact that you can easily look back on it. I said if you want POWER, America has cars such as the Dodge Viper, and I named another few. Oh, the miatas and Solstices of 2006 are worth the same? And that's bad on the Solstice's behalf to you? I got news for you, the miata cost more than the Solstice at the time. Look up the '08 models.

[strictlydiesel]

Sorry, I miscalculated, and used the Solstice Coupe. The convertible is $24,945.

Which is still more than the Miata of the same trim, same year, at $23,500.

[RainbowButterfly85]

The funny thing is, I knew you would use a GT-R, or an NSX, those are not classics, I specified to use classics. But you know, go ahead and use them, lol. Because you still cannot gather me names of 30 Japanese classics that are worth $40,000+.

[strictlydiesel]

"Use my terms on this, because I know you already agree with them."

This is not about classics. This is about modern day values. How many different times am I going to have to restate myself?

You messaged me using the Dodge Viper as an example of American cars with high value, and that's hardly a classic.

Anyhow, to figure out depriciation and value holding, do a search for a few years back. KBB lists the values for a 2006 Solstice base and a 2006 Miata base as the exact same: $16,590.

[strictlydiesel]

And the fact that a base 2009 Solstice costs getting on $3,000 more than a base 2009 Miata doesn't bode well to the fact that the 2007 Solstice is only worth about $750 more than a 2007 Miata.

Yes. Solstice is worth $750 more. But it's priced $3,000 higher when new. So, it's losing its value.

Learn math.

[RainbowButterfly85]

A 2010 miata has the starting price of $23,560, A 2009 Solstice has the starting price of $24,275, yes the Solstice costs more and is a year behind, so I will point that out before you do. However, the whole reason I bring that up is where are you pulling prices of a base Solstice being $3,000 higher than a base miata? Cite my source(s)? Gladly, the official Mazda and Pontiac sites. You need to learn math, the Solstices trim to trim are still worth more than the miatas.

[RainbowButterfly85]

Argue with me all you want but you will never win, okay? The only way you can win is by making American cars have less value than Japanese cars, which you could never do. Do my research? I did my research, and both NADA, and Kelley Blue Book say that a miata of the same year, with the same packages, and trim (base models, I did not compare the GXPs to the higher miatas) as the Solstices, are already worth less than the Solstices.

[RainbowButterfly85]

You know, you prove you are not worth arguing with, okay? You do not even know the basics about cars, you called a Sunbird a roadster. You don't even know body styles, and their differences. THE BASICS. You are the one who needs to learn to read, you thought I had said "corrado" in that other video (THAT YOU FOLLOWED ME FROM). And you know, I may not have known what a Corrado is, but you do not even know the difference between a roadster, and a coupe convertible.

[RainbowButterfly85]

You yourself are not giving me examples, give me an example of some ultra valuable Japanese car. Something that can be backed up.

And "the tables have turned" is not a valid argument.

[strictlydiesel]

Reiterate (quoting MYSELF): "American muscle cars are cool. Certainly they have appeal. Japanese cars from the SAME ERA may not be as appealing. I'm not going to disagree with you there."

Again: CLASSIC car values have ZERO to do with REAL WORLD quality today.

You didn't call the Miata rice, you called every japanese car rice.

I appreciate what American muscle cars are, even the new age ones like the Mustang GT/Viper/Challenger. Hell, even the 300C is a good example.

Learn to read.

[strictlydiesel]

"The tables have turned" is in reference to the fact that in 2009, a Honda Civic holds its value far, far better than any of its American Counterparts. As does a Toyota Celica, and even a Nissan Sentra. It's just fact. Research the values yourself. It's plain to see.

Classic American cars are worth more because they were more powerful and had more options than foreign counterparts. It has nothing to do with one country's cars being in total better than anothers. How is this opinionated?

[RainbowButterfly85]

I don't have to prove anything to anyone, because you know, even without rules you would still be incapable of gathering me the names of 30 Japanese classic cars worth $40,000+, so go ahead and try, rule-free too. Not to mention, you're not even putting up an argument anymore, you're just giving opinionated answers, at least my answers are not opinionated, because if they are, I must have some awesome powers if my opinion has the capability of making a '65 GTO have the value of $60,000+.

[RainbowButterfly85]

Closed-mindedness? Do not preach to me about closed-mindedness. Have you read some of the comments on this very video? People call the Solstice trash, and a POS, but yes, I should be punished for my closed-mindedness of calling the miata rice. Classics do not pertain to this arguement? I cannot believe I have to break down everything for you, I brought classics into this argument as an example that American cars always hold their value better than any other cars, ESPECIALLY Japanese.

[RainbowButterfly85]

You think you had a good counterpoint? I asked why a Corvette of '63 is worth MUCH more than a Honda S500, and all you did was made excuses for it. You enjoy vehicles from all origins? You sure sound like you hate American, I'll tell you how, I asked why the Corvette is worth more, and all you do is whine and make excuses, then you go on to saying it's not going to be the same for the Solstice. You sure sound like you'd be happy if the Solstice was worth nothing in the future.

[RainbowButterfly85]

I am done arguing with you about all of this, the only comments showing up on the first page are mine and your's. Arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall, it accomplishes nothing. American cars reign supreme, always have, always will. The miata will have a few more years of value for the old ones, but in 10, 20, 30 years, they'll be worth nothing, just like the rest of the rice. Have a little more pride in the richness of cars from our own country.

[strictlydiesel]

I enjoy vehicles from all origins. Do not misunderstand me, nor assume anything about me.

American companies have produced quite a few desirable cars. But this does not mean that they will only continue to do so.

You talk about arguing to a brick wall, but you do not actually make a good counterpoint to any of my points. Only generalizations. Give me an example of someone paying "waaay above value."

Something quantifiable.

"American cars reign supreme" is not a valid argument.

[RainbowButterfly85]

An example of someone paying waaay above value for a rice car is; let's say someone is selling a Honda S500 for $50,000, and someone just adores the car, and actually buys it for that price, knowing it is not worth it. There's your example, (keep in mind it is only an example). You asked for an example, there it is. As I stated before, it's sad that I have to break it all down for you.

[strictlydiesel]

Find me an example of someone paying that amount of money for a Honda S500, and I will concede that would be paying too much.

But that doesn't actually happen, so I don't see your point.

Someone has paid much more than that for a Toyota 2000GT, which in my opinion is quite justified.

But read my posts, and understand the intent of car manufacturers of the time. Japan was making economical cars, USA was making powerhouses. Two different markets. It's not surprising there aren't many

[strictlydiesel]

memorable cars from Japan from THAT SPECIFIC TIME PERIOD. But look at iconic cars such as the FD RX7. The Nissan GTR. The Acura NSX. The Toyota Supra.

You claimed in a private message to me that these cars were "weak" and inferior to American cars, without any facts to back that up.

Yes, they may have less horsepower than the American analogues to them, but horsepower is not everything when it comes to making a sports car. You claim these cars are valueless.

You are wrong.

[strictlydiesel]

Also, stop being so closed minded when it comes to automobiles.

You claim that I am the one who is akin to arguing against a brick wall to, however you are immediately denouncing cars from Japan as "rice" and "worthless." Closed-mindedness.

American muscle cars are cool. Certainly they have appeal. Japanese cars from the SAME ERA may not be as appealing. I'm not going to disagree with you there.

But take a moment to step back and look at how the tables have turned, is all I ask.

[RainbowButterfly85]

How can I explain the miata being worth more than the Sunbird? Simple, the Sunbird was not one of those greater cars. Will you truly compare one tiny miata to the hundreds of valuable American classics? I never said the Solstice will join the ranks of those ultra expensive American classics, I simply said it will be worth more than the miata, and it will. And by the way, correction for you, a roadster is a two seater open cockpit car. The Sunbird had four seats if my memory serves me right.

[RainbowButterfly85]

Well, before you deleted all your other posts, I did get to read one of them, so I will still respond to it. You are the one is pathetic. You cannot seem to grasp the concept of what I said, can you? When I said do not use examples of cars only rice lovers would buy. I mean't people who would buy an old Japanese car for waaaay above value, knowing they would never get anywhere near the money they paid for it, should they ever resell it. I have to break it down piece by piece for you, neat. :)

[RainbowButterfly85]

I'll tell you what strictlydiesel, gather me the names of 30 Japanese classic cars worth a minimum of $40,000+. Doing so with American classics would be a piece of cake. Two rules though. 1: Do not use cars that hardly any people were able to purchase, because they were some kind of Japanese supercar. And 2: No cars that only rice lovers would pay that kind of money for, they have to be REAL valuable classic Japanese cars. If you can do this, I will change my view of worthless Japanese cars.

[strictlydiesel]

You know what? I had a long, well-thought out, multiple reply post here, but I think I'll sum it up a little better.

If Japanese cars are inherently worth less than American cars (they aren't, "classics" are valued differently and thus don't pertain to this argument at all), then why pray tell is a 1990 Mazda Miata in decent condition worth over twice what Pontiac's roadster of the same time period (Sunbird) is?

[RainbowButterfly85]

I had to correct you on this last thing, according to NADA, and Kelley Blue Book, the Sunbird is worth around 50% less than the miata from the same year (1990). Which is bad on the Sunbird's behalf, but the miata is not worth "over twice" as much. Get your facts straight for God's sake. Not to mention this, the Sunbird was available as a COUPE convertible, the Miata is a ROADSTER. Compare cars of the same class, not coupe convertibles against roadsters.

[strictlydiesel]

Not NADA values, or KBB values, but real world values, dork.

KBB doesn't mean anything when it says a Miata ought to be worth $1,800 or so but you can't find one for under $3,000.

Also you would think that a 4 seater convertible would retain its value better since it's more practical for everday use. Funny, that.

[RainbowButterfly85]

How many American classics would you like me to use as an example? How about a first generation Camaro? No, too popular. A Nova, it was supposed to be a FAMILY CAR, no, still too popular. A Continental, no, too deluxe. I know! A Daytona Charger or a Superbird, no, too much of an overkill. :) Oh, and FYI, I never said it will skyrocket in value, I simply said it will be worth more than a miata, and it will. And no, sorry, Corvettes are no valued for that reason, they're valued for what they are.

[RainbowButterfly85]

Sorry strictlydiesel, I don't make the rule of how only American and European cars have value in the future. I'm sure there are some old valuable Japanese cars but honestly, think about it, there's not many. Compare the Corvette of '63 to an S500, I've never checked the value of the S500, but I really doubt it's near $130,000 on up. Now then, how much is something as simple, and not overly popular as a '70s Caprice worth today? :)

[strictlydiesel]

The reason for this has got to do more with culture than anything else. Gearheads here by nature want a one off matching numbers corvette that came with the limited leather interior and platinum plated glovebox latch ("you know there were only 2.6 of those glovebox latches made and here you have one, real rare blah blah blah"), which is not going to be the case with the Solstice, so I hardly see how this car is going to skyrocket in value in the future.

[pyromaniati0]

The solstice is horrible inside, its good looking trash...

[RainbowButterfly85]

In 30 years the Solstice's value will be in the 5 digit range, as for the miata, people will have more luck at a junkyard than actually selling it.

[strictlydiesel]

Unfortunately for you, Mazda have had about 20 years to get the roadster formula right, and they've done it. The Solstice, while a nice car, is nowhere NEAR as refined as the Miata is, as far as sports driving are concerned. Sure, GM has had years of work in the Corvette, so they do know a thing or two about sports cars, but not particularly the "small British-esque Roadster " department. Miatas consistently hold their value. How much does an 80's corvette go for these days, again?

[icefox1983]

this guy just dodges away any of solstice's weakpoints with "the look". I do think solstice looks good but this guy is definitely over confident.

[vestro1]

MX 5 will continue to be reviewed 50 years from now...The GM product will become nothing more than another Fiero inspired DISASTER

VESTRO

[potatotruck]

Jeez, this guy with the Firebird is a jackass. The Solstice is gone already so I think he's been proved completely wrong. It's car wonks like this who haven't a clue about the real world that have killed Detroit.

[ballucanb1]

When it comes to quick, the solstice or the miata dosn't have it, the miata GT I have is much quicker then the solstice 2.4 I owned.

When I want quick I use my ls3 corvette, but for an everyday driver I use the miata, neither of those 2 cars ever see rain, I have a toyota tacoma for rain and snow.

Even on the greatest deal of the century I wouldn't go back to a solstice.

[ZULUBRAZIL]

Ballucanb,

I drive my cars at rain, dirty, everywhere. They are only cars.

Enjoy life man.

[ballucanb1]

I had to drive my cars like that when I only had one to drive, now I can drive what I want, when I want to.

I do sell my cars quite frequently, way to frequently some say, and when I sell them they look like the day I got them(if they were new) and better if they were used.

Would you rather buy a car that was driven, thru every kind of weather in all conditions(rain snow/salt), or would you buy one of my cars, for almost the same money?

I will be selling my miata shortly it has 3K on it now

[nightkidd604]

I am a huge miata fan. It has superior handling. Even with an ls1 engine it handles so much better than any other v8 cars like camaro, mustangs and corvettes. Just start youtubing monster miata and you will see why this car works in wonders.

[Ijustmadethisup4]

I see alot of people that are hard core for the miata...i just cant get past the looks lol. The newest "Mx-5" looks alot better than the older miata, but the solstice looks a million times better.

[djkinney]

The Solstice looks like white trash.

[kenzo5716]

why not "black trash"?

[GreatBritain1981]

As Jeremy Clarkson simply put it, the Mazda MX-5 is the best British sports car out there, even though it's entirely Japanese... ;)

How old is this video, btw? Because Mazda will once again be alone on the market as GM is killing Pontiac and shedding Saturn.

[ballucanb1]

22 MPG is nothing there still slow POS compared to the miata.

I have no proble getting 37MPG in town and it way quicker than the solstice ever was.

And you don't have to listen to that drone of the exhaust system along with actully having a useable trunk with the top up or down.

I wouldn't take another solstice if they were dirt cheap.

[phonestadium]

-__-

what- Did you say Miata and quick in the same sentence? Well... the Miata is not quick- It handles well, I'll give you that but so do a lot of cars- and none look half a GAY as the miata. I mean honestly even if it was "fast", which it is far from, how can you stand to be seen driving that piece of homosexual shit? also- the miata is not faster than the solstice- try the GXP

[bboy4050]

lol learn a lil more about miatas dude :P you must have never driven one.

[besoncus1989]

miata is better way better

[ballucanb1]

The solstice is a POS from a company that used to make great cars, I was very disapointed in the solstice.

I knew enough to wait to buy one because GM never gets the car right the first time out of the box so I waited untill late 08 to buy my car.

The underside of that car is a nighmare, if you plan on drieving it yearound you had better be pro active and seal up some of the holes that can allow salt and gunk inside of the rocker panels , I was greatly disgusted with that car.

[997porsche]

Yeah, they definately dropped the ball on the interior of the Pontiac. Plus, why the heck didn't they offer the GXP with a 6 speed manual? That 5 speed is horrible in that car.

[cobralover88]

i agree. it really should have come with the 6 speed.

however the only six speed i can think of from gm is the one in the corvette...

[ballucanb1]

If you read the post cobralover88, I did buy one and was terribly disapointed in it , I traded it in on a new miata.

I am GM guy but that car was a waste of money, I still have 2 corvettes and a solstice will never ever be a corvette.

[truskata555]

dude the solstice is a nicer newer car and isnt a chick wagon like the miata

[cobralover88]

and im saying your full of shit.

my drives like a bat out of hell and manages 22 mpg

[ballucanb1]

I bought a solstice I drove it 435 miles it was a POS, noisey trans, no trunk space, door handels breaking off, rear end leaks and lucky to get 15 miles to a gallon.

Then I bought a 91 miata, at 128K miles it was twice the car the solstice was, so I dumped the solstice and bought a new maita.

I didn't buy it because it was fast or cute, I like to drive and this is a drivers car unlike the solstice nice to look at but a POS.

[cobralover88]

you obviously never bought one.

my solstice gxp has 32000 miles, and never a problem

[truskata555]

yea my dad has the auto base with 9000 miles and it rocks nothing wrong the miata is a chick ca

[JessAtlas]

@cobralover88 How's that going for you? I'm thinking of buying one.

[Ezalian]

Solstice looks uglier than MX-5 Miata to me... but that's individual choice... which one looks good...

[truskata555]

the miata is a girl car

[spiffy72985]

lol...it's the most track raced car on the planet, douchebag.

It ain't girls track racing.

Obviously by your fake profile age, you're probably some punk ass teenager who doesn't even have his own car yet, or can't even drive.

When you actually learn something about cars, you can make big people comments, ok champ?

[truskata555]

fuck u prick i hav a solstice

[spiffy72985]

lol...right. You mean your daddy has a Solstice, like you already said.

Nice try kid, but no one is impressed.

P.S. Learn to spell.

[truskata555]

wut ever u fat bitch play ur girls meat trumpet and get a life

[spiffy72985]

Truth hurts I see, kid.

Go ride in daddy's auto Solstice and post back when you can write complete sentences.

LOL

[laonglaan96]

Stupid fat bitch. MX-5 does not look like a bar of soap - more like a moving teddy bear in fact but c'mon, Solstice looks better than the MX-5? Solsctice look like a fucking beaver. And TRUE CAR GUYS PUT STYLE THIRD BEHIND FUN AND PERFORMANCE!

[truskata555]

solstice is better

[minibus1351]

That fat guy is full of crap

[twincylinder]

miata/mx5 biggest girl car ever! I laugh at guys in these cars. I stick with my truck

[milkymike375]

i laugh at guys who drive trucks trying to feel tough...

[twincylinder]

I dont care if you drive a supra or impala atleast there a car. Miatas arnt fast, there not big so you cant carry anything, there not fun to drive. So why would you want it because its a rag top?

[minibus1351]

you have no idea what your talking about dude. This car was born from the traditional British roadster. You sir need to throw away your misconceptions

[milkymike375]

"aren't fast"= wrong 14:1 HP to Weight ratio. "Not big"= the only drawback. "Not fun to drive" I disagree as much as a person can disagree. Its the sickest ride I've ever had...

[Cypern]

MX5 Miata anytime....

[cary77018]

When you guys are done with this pissing contest, dont forget to wash your hands.

[besoncus1989]

soltice interior is a piece of shhhhhitt look real bad. soltice looks better but thats it miata is faster and have better suspention because I have drive both of then I have z4 and I love the miata because soltice doest have any trunk space and to take the top of you have to come out of the car, guest what happen if it starts raining in the middle of the highway lol

[mfreeman7821]

Ah man, this is just some talking.

[Goremaster]

lol, good exterior...bad interior. Poor Solstice.

[Barricade2117]

Dude The Solstice fried the fuckin mazda

[SDSakuragi]

I guess Miata won. GM is cutting the kappa platform from what I hear, and that's if GM doesn't shut down altogether.

[theepirate]

I like the fact that the Solstice doesn't automatically come with power windows, door locks and all that shit. It just adds weight.

[feliciaariellecito]

so who won??????

[feliciaariellecito]

mazda rules but pontiac is superior!!!

[supremewhip]

Uhhhh.... No.

[andbudzi]

That is BS, all cars have small problems when they just start making, but now they have good reliability.

Besides, Solstice looks far better inside and out then fugly mx-5 ...

Solstice frame is much more stronger and rigid then outdated 80s miata frame.

With the same power/weight ratio, solstice beets mx-5 on the road race track, the only chance mx-5 has is in autocross because being light is better for 180 turns.

[Smashinz2002]

Myronx19, I must have been a little drunk when I wrote that. LOL .

[piratewilly]

I have been looking for a convertible roadster for a while. Drove the 08 GXP and MX-5. In a straight line the GXP is loads quicker, but it feels less responsive in turns where as the MX-5 makes u feel like ur behind the seat of a true race car. I dont think either car looks very good. The MX-5 is boring looking and the GXP looks like its trying to hard to be cool. I had a tough time deciding what to get. I ended up getting a 99 Miata. It out preformed them both as far as fun to drive

[Smashinz2002]

First of all, this is just plain humorous! I mean please, GM build anything that can compete with a Mazda Miata? They are dreaming. GM has never, and never will, 'get it'. This guy, about how 'great' the solstice is, claims that 'style' is going to dent Miata sales? Is he freaking kidding? Give me a break. GM will be able to deceive a few morons who have no clue what a 'real' sports car is about, but they won't fool the ones who know. GM sux by the way.

[myronx19]

Actually, GM does make some good sports cars! Corvette??? (the latest Gen is actually the envy of many car makers, the chassis has incredibly high torsional stiffness). The Solstice has outstripped the MX5's sales.. hands down. the numbers prove it. The GXP is fast, reliable, handles well, and also quite stiff (HYDROFORMED!!), it's not a low tech car.. dual scroll turbo, direct inject engine, sure it could be better.. but it's built for a price.. and it's quite inexpensive! Go GM!!

[John04Civic]

Also, the GXP comes with a LSD and stickier tires that the base model lacks. I don't think I'd have any trouble.

[mionkeyfighter2000]

it boggles my mind how gm **cks up the drop top so bad. not only does it engulf the trunk when down, the fit and finish looks sloppy. literally looks like a rag on top of the car. then they make a coupe that has a T-top but when u take the top off u have to leave it at home cause it doesnt fit in the car... now u would think a hatch coupe would have extra trunk space.....wrong!

[John04Civic]

I love how everyone thinks that sports car is required to have massive storage space, it is a SPORTS CAR. If you want storage space by a Camry or Accord.

As for the looks, that is in the eye of the beholder, but if you like soap bar looks that looks like a 5th grader designed it, then the Miata is for you. I'll take my "ragtop" that turns heads, and gets compliments and questions all the time.

So have fun while seeing my exhaust pipes.

[myassright]

any one can go fast in a straight line. It takes a true sports car to be fast on the track. So I would take the mx5 any day, and when the wether is right I can take my girl and back the trunk, blast to new england. Life is good for me.

[myronx19]

The new Solstice coupe is not a T-top, it's a targa(T-tops have two removeable sections), .. The Lotus Elise suffers from the same thing, the hard top stays at home, so both the Elise and Solstice have removeable soft tops. The Elise has no trunk space.. and look at the old MGs, Jags, Fiats of yester-year.. they were horrible, BUT people bought them.. The Solstice is a home grown classic. GM didn't screw up the top, it looks great up or down. It isn't perfect, but who cares! I love it..

[John04Civic]

I think my 2007 GXP 5-speed would destroy any top of the line 2007 MX-5.

Handling wise, I may get beat around the corner, but the minute we exit the apex the games are over and I would take the lead.

[jem7992]

No shit, the GXP costs qutie a lot more though, and if you had a porche boxter you could beat the GXP. You have to compare cars of equal price.

[myronx19]

Actually.. The GXP is a tad quicker 0-60 than the Boxster..

[sandor7077]

lets compare apples to apples. I have a 2006 Miata Limited that has a Supercharger on it (257 HP at the rear wheels) and lets race and see. I raced at Gingerman Raceway in Michigan before the S/C was installed, and the guys in the 2 corvets and the guy in the M6 all thought what you do. They were wrong. I will say the M6 was the closest, but, he was still 2 seconds a lap slower.

[dustziggy]

Its simple really...if you want an unreliable, heavy, strange looking car that no-one is going to care about in 10 years buy the solstice....Just 5 min in the Mazda will convince any serious driver, the mx5 is the real sportscar

[carrob65]

You are so right, dustziggy! Even Consumer Report rates the Miata 89 out of 100. The Solstice gets like a 50 or 60. The car is unreliable and will be in the shop most of the time! I love Miatas!

[besoncus1989]

solstice is betterrrrrrrrr miatas r for gays

[NEUROMODS]

mrsflowers222, it is very possible he has out beat a Z4 and a 350 Z. I have done so in my 2006 MX-6 many times. Though limited in power the Miata is very light which makes it fast. On straight aways a Z4, 350 Z, S2000 or Solstice GXP may beat the Miata, but once you get to twisty turns, I'm sorry but the Miata will kick ass hands down and that's what counts on a track. It'not power that makes a car better, it's the handeling and all race drivers know this. The Miata handles better than any car.

[d1gps15]

ya miata is handle car, S2000 also.. how about Z4''M'' did ''M''Z4 beat pontiac solstice yet ?

[NEUROMODS]

"majm0 - The solstice out sold the miata every year the solstice has been sold. also it has won the scca its first year running and still come in the top 5 now."

You better get your facts correct. The Miata MX-5 is the #1 most sold convertible roadsters in the world.. Period. Research and you shall learn. Not to mention it is one of the most popular cars raced at a track.

[speedracer1157]

I currently own a 93 miata and it has been a blast to drive. I love it. I am in the market for a new car and I will say the both the sky and the solstice have made me do some serious research. If I was gonna buy a car just on looks it would be one of the GM brands but I'm all about performance and well... most everyone agrees that the Miata outperforms the GM brands.

[taylor082492]

All the professional drivers that have driven these two cars have said that the solstice is a better car. period.

[majm0]

The solstice out sold the miata every year the solstice has been sold. also it has won the scca its first year running and still come in the top 5 now.

[RaleighLions]

i have a brand new 2008 mazda mx-5 special edition and its awesome! i have domolished a pontiac solstice once before and could do it again no problem! just like i blew out a saturn sky, a bmw z4, and nissan 350z! nothing can touch a miata when it comes to roadsters!

[222Doc]

the gxp will leave a mx5 in the dust with 260Bhp. I have one and it can take the curves as well and wonce the courner is over say GOOD by cause you will be in the dust of a Gxp stock

[ivaniclixx]

loool

[mrsflowers222]

Whoa, whoa, and WHOA. There's no way you beat a Z4. Unless of course it was an old ass 2.5 liter engine. If it was a new one, 3.0si, then you would have been destroyed. Plus, more than likely you raced just a Pontiac Solstice, not the Solstice GXP. And you're forgetting that "roadster" is a very broad category. Let's see how you would match up against a Cadillac XLR-V, or a Mercedes SL600 AMG. One last thing. It's spelled "demolished".

[carrob65]

I have a Miata so I am biased. HOWEVER, the Solstice is an ugly car...Consumer's Report rates the Miata better, it looks better, performs better...I am sorry, I cannot go on, there is NO comparison...2008 Miata, baby!!

[verbusen]

I think the Miata looks ok but it's very conservative and reminds me of the same style of 15 years ago. The Pontiac looks really hot to me. It will come up to which price I can get for either on which one I'll choose, I'd enjoy them both, but scanning autotrader the better deals seem to be with the Pontiac..

[glassbridge]

The dude on the left obviously didn't know what the heck he was talking about. Miata was named funnest car to drive. And it looks far better. Miata has totally reinvented it's handling capabilities and is hands down the funnest of all three.

[glassbridge]

Correction, I mean the guy on the right.

[buffalocrotch]

I agree, glassbridge, I'd rather drive the Miata than a Solstice anyday. I do like the looks of the solstice, but, as a current Mazda owner, who has had great reliability with Mazda, I would not touch a GM product again. I also have read the reliability ratings on the Sky/Solstice, and they have bottom of the barrel reliability.

[caddyshakman]

The Pontiac Solstice far outsells the Mazda Miata glassbridge, and it's not because it's performance is better than the Miata, it's because it's a good enough roadster, priced-competitively and it DOES looks better. The guy on the right does know what he's talking about because a lil over a year later, the pontiac still outsells the miata. I see a ton on the road.

[gromit37]

I'm guessing only in the US, but the MX5 sells in big numbers worldwide. In fact it is the best selling two seater sports car of all time, which means Mazda must be doing something right. Not that I'm a fan, but I see tons of them in the UK.

[taylor082492]

yea but the miata has been around longer than the solstice and when the solstice came out it completely crushed the miata in sales. not to mention all the profesional drivers that have driven these cars (including the japanese drivers) have said that the solstice is a better car

[carrob65]

Which "professional" drivers??? That is major BULLSHIT!