Capitalism is idiotic, giving power to idiots without any expertise, contacts, academic traditions, knowledge of diplomacy or mental capacity to govern it is a waste.
USA is going to hell because "people" see money as personal wager, they make terrible deals with countries on the other side of the globe and leak billions of American USD out on the international market in order to increase their tiny portion of personal income.
It's disgusting how unpatriotic Greed can make people!
The US Socialist and Green Parties are on the rise because capitalism and this attitude of letting bankers and corporate execs get away with stealing as much as they want from the government without doing any work has proven disastrous.
Reason tea party is on the rise is because many people in america is longing back to "old america", a country of prosperity before this new era of mass unemployment and financial deregulation. And i am not stating that they are wrong or right, but it seems like that to me.
I can't really see capitalism coming to an end at any time in the 21st century. Like socialism or Christianity, capitalism adapts to meet its new surroundings, taking on new parts of the existing ideological order.
Similarly, not sure when Kondylis thinks "communism" ever existed in any earthly form or when it died in the 20thC*. If, as many of the posters on this comment section believe, communism will arrive shortly, how then did it die?
I can't really see capitalism coming to an end at any time in the 21st century. Like socialism or Christianity, capitalism adapts to meet its new surroundings, taking on new parts of the existing ideological order.
Similarly, not sure when Kondylis thinks "communism" ever existed in any earthly form or when it died in the 20thC. If, as many of the posters on this comment section believe, communism will arrive shortly, how then did it die?
First of all: 21st century - 10 years = a buggering long time. So it is sure that the "downfall" is going to come in our century.
Communism consisted of a real existing 'nationstate' socialism + an utopian humanist inspiration. Socialism collapsed in the last century; the utopian drive will, as inherent to human nature, continue to exist. Since that socialism collapsed, capitalism has SOME proof charge now.
There are roughly 90 years left in this century for capitalism to come to an end. Given the hundreds of years it has existed, changing to meet every new era, it seems unlikely.
Communism has never existed in state form. That's precisely the point. Communism is stateless. It has no government, no coinage. It has never existed. What you refer to was authoritarian socialism - yet socialism takes many forms.
The social democracies of Europe clearly prove the claim otherwise.
*sigh* Capitalism exists for some 200 years to the max. The European state capitalisms which we called "social democracies" survived by developing/infusing themselves with socialist policies and now, as a kinda cunning of reason, we can see capitalism in fundamental crises after it shed her skin.
Please first to get acquainted with the "See Spot run" of history before adressing me.
Yawn. You've missed the point, yet again. Capitalism adapts. It does not die. You have no rational basis for believing in its demise, evidential or otherwise.
Social democracy is a form of socialism. You can grasp wildly to deny this fact but it simply proves that socialism did not die in the 20th century. It's alive & well in the West, further proving the adaptability of capitalism.
Please first have some clue about basic political theory or history before replying. Cheers.
OMG! I just realized what the tea partyers are all about! They are working to prevent the death of themselves and family in a civil war they are provoking! GRRrrrrrrrhhhhh.......
@eatcarpet you can't make bombs out of thorium reactors,and that's why only uranium & plutonium reactors are used and spent fuel is not buried. They say they'll bury it but then there's no more bomb-making materials available. It's all a sham. More power on Earth is from nuclear than any source ever other than Coal which is for the poorer nations. Solar+wind = nothing on Earth. Completely worthless in the global equation.
Today, there are no kings and bishops land grab per se, but there are big corporations and billionaire who own 90% of the lands in N. America and Europe, and the poor keep losing their lands because they can not afford to pay land taxes. You Anglofites are really fucked up, you just don’t know it.
The concept of “true ownership” (outright ownership without having to pay tax to government) was an ancient practice of ancient China and India for thousands of years before any square-headed Anglofites even learned how to say “baba”. Each plot of land was owned and passed downed in the family for generations. They lived on it and cultivated it since time memorial, no government dared to confiscate their lands from them.
The so called Western land ownership is not a true outright ownership (if you don’t pay taxes, gov’t will put a lien on it and eventually confiscate it), it is based upon biblical concept of “covenant” or “promise granted” the use of land (but the land will always belong to God, not you), a concept designed to benefit bishops and kings, t’is the very reason why in Anglofites square-headed society, the King/Queen was also the head of the Official Church.
@ytgv3fc7, chew on this you parasitic disease! The US spends upward of a trillion dollars per year to maintain 1000 military bases around the world to keep your "pure capitalism"/ "fucktard free market" ideologies alive. LMAO!
@chapsroc hey fucktard, I have already argued clearly that no capitalism is taking place by any military bases. The fucktard anti-capitalism market is the fucktard military-base market. The real free market requires all those military bases be shut down. The real free market requires that all government police forces be paid ZERO so they can't rape & steal, which they are today doing. You're the fucktard idiot who defends your own rapist.
@ytgv3fc7 , ok, you parasitic disease wants to talk sensibility? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THOSE MILITARY BASES? Go shut them all down, then we will talk about your "pure Capitalism-God" free market shits.
What are you going to do about the French and Italian raping of Libyans oil? If you can't do shits about these greedy evil "capitalist" parasitic disease squared-heads, you have no credibility talking about your form of theoretical "capitalism" that doesn't exist.
@chapsroc Those bases are run off oil. By making oil too expensive 1 of 2 things happens: a) the nation shuts down the bases to sustain itself, b) the nation is killed by the bases as they rape the last of resources of the nation & become the only vestige left of the empire. Either way the rest of us are going to have an easier time in the long-run. Gadafi tried to be allies with the people bombing him. Well, shit happens. He should have had American hostages at the ready.
@chapsroc "our form of theoretical "capitalism" that doesn't exist. "
Only if you're too lazy to make it happen. It works for me. Basic capitalism: equal trade for goods, ownership, right to production from your time+materials. You wanna make it work on a larger scale you have to be willing to kill people who are stealing your stuff or trying to profit from killing you.
@ytgv3fc7, ah ha, you're a fucked up square-headed simpleton. Drool on fucktard. I ain't wasting my time with parasitic disease that also talking crazy shits. F'off!
@chapsroc You're a fucktard moron. Clearly I'm a million years ahead of you. What I state is proven fact. The rest is a choice: if you have the balls to protect your rights you can have a working capitalism. If not you can't. It's that simple. It's proven in history. You can have socialism on top of it if you like but the socialism will fail if the capitalism underlying it also fails.
@ytgv3fc7 , not million years, BILLION years, BC that is. You fucktard square-headed have not evolved beyond the number 2. Can u say 3?
You parasitic disease blob would have been useful to humanity if you just stay in the human guts and stomach and practicing your "capitalism-shit-eating-God" in there to help humanity "digest" all those rotten bile. Look it up fucktard, those bile eating bacteria have not evolved for a billion years, and that is you, a blob of parasitic disease!
@chapsroc Pretty clear you're making shit up and then having a shit-eating temper tantrum because I proved you're a fucktard, fraud & a little whiney-bitch.
Saddam Hussein wanted to sell his oil for Euros only not dollars lead US to invade Iraq and kill Saddam... Qaddafi wanted to created pan-Africa gold dinars and sell oil denominate in gold dinars only is also a threat to US dollars status, thus the US+France+UK axis instigated regime change in Libya to remove Qaddafi.
Fool you, not fool me and definitely not fooling the rest of the world.
US and France+UK axis' regime changes operations in Libya and Syria represents the axis desperation! Why because both Syria is getting too strong in M.E. and Libya in Africa -- these are the threat to US dollars reserve status.
Unfortunate for these dead dogs walking, this time around they could not find the Evil Empire Bad Guy to point their fingers to. The Africans and Arabs and the world knew too well of the Axis' intentions. US+France+UK are dead dogs walking.
So it appears after all that capitalism is not doomed: most of the fools who say capitalism is doomed do not understand what capitalism is. SOME of the fools by default insist on singular central failure control with no comprehension of what resources even are or how they are used or the damages caused by lagging/refusing allocation, a constant problem with all central control, so those fools lobby for it (liutasx) & by default reject highly efficient decentralized capitalism.
@ytgv3fc7 , LMAO! You parasitic disease talked so much spaghetti shits, you drool in your own spaghetti slime! You fucktard, keep dreaming and drool your spaghetti slime, like any one is reading your shits! LOL.
Here's more realistic of your "pure capitalism" slow death.
Libya and Gadhafi caused Venezuela to withdrew gold reserves form Western banks and transferring them to more "friendly banks".
10 more countries withdraw their gold, US banks are fucked, dollars collapse! Chew on that!
@chapsroc Sounds awesome to me. That gold belongs in Venezuelan hands, not London or New York. It was a risk for trade letting that gold be held with trading partners, and now after all, it's time to bring the gold home.
You can yack all you want, but you still have to buy their gases, food, and pay taxes (directly or indirectly taxed to you by the corporations), you're NOT going to "cut off their funding" BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT PRINT THE MONEY. You rarely see the money most of your "worth" are just blip on their computer screen (electronic credits that they can erase at any moments.)
Keep dreaming and yacking your spaghetti bullshits all you want, the acquisitive class got your balls.
The acquisitive class of US and Europe of France and England have complete control of the Anglofites' minds. It is their money the run your CHURCHES, ALL THREE BRANCHES OF US GOVERNMENT, and of course YOUR LIVES, including where you live, how far have to drive to works, and WHERE WORKS ARE AVAILABLE TO YOU.
YOUR "INFORMATION" ARE DOWNLOADED TO YOU VIA YOUR CHURCHES THROUGH YOUR PRIESTS along with the Foxnews corporatist mouth pieces.
@ytgv3fc7, your methodology of defending "pure capitalism" is taken straight out of the Christian dogmatic shits, "Oh, its not the God and the Bible is full evil shits, yes your fucktard "Capitalism God" caused all evil problems in the world, but that is not your fucktard C-God's fault, IT'S DEVIL THAT DID IT"
@chapsroc I have no beliefs and no gods. I deal only with facts. I have no belief in capitalism. I have only the facts that it is ownership, personal production & trade. There is no way to defend depriving any person of their personal ownership, ability to trade or personal production of goods. This is not dogmatic: any deprivation by fact is a theft, or is a charity (consenting). It must be one or the other.
@ytgv3fc7, you can also shove your "pure capitalism" tin box up your ass. "Ownership and trade" your fucktard square-box simpleton ass! If it is just a O&T Adam Smith wouldn't need to write a book that is FIVE TIMES THICKER THAT THE BIBLE in volume.
Your mental problems is the same as those of Greek-based square-box psychopathic dumbasses! You can't think beyond the number two. Either "tin box#1" is right, or "tin box#2" is right, and your fucktard world is confined to just TB1 or TB2.
@chapsroc "Adam Smith wouldn't need to write a book that is FIVE TIMES THICKER THAT THE BIBLE in volume."
Wrong. Adam Smith needed to explain simple things to simpletons. It does indeed take giant books for a moron to read over and over to have a hope of getting it. Smart people don't need the books because they observe nature. Most of our best gains in technology, economics, invention, inspiration, are merely copied from nature.
@ytgv3fc7 , I thought I made it clear to you parasitic disease that YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT NATURE!
Adam Smith had to say copious shits square-headed fucktard like you. Do you ever read the spaghetti shits that you wrote? Nature does not need your -ISM tin box shits. NATURE JUST IS! Get it fucktard?
Your spaghetti shits actually reveal your extreme naivite about your "enemies". These "enemies" of you are actually in your head!
@ytgv3fc7 and you the blob of parasitic disease also claimed that you are Jesus Christ of Capitalism-Shit-Eating-Godtard branch, too! LMAO! "I AM the Truth, the absolute truth, amen?" LOL!
What a bunch of square-headed fucktards! Zeitgeist square-headed fucktards know that in order for their ideologolies they have to make worldwide movement, JUST LIKE COMMUNINISM OR CAPITALISM -- THEY MUST FORCE THEIR SQUARE-HEADED FUCKTARD IDEOLOGIES ON TO THE WORLD, IF THEY HAVE TO KILL YOU TO ACHIEVE THAT "FINAL CAUSE", THEY WILL.
SAME OLD GREEK BASED SQUARE-HEADED DOGMAS!
I'll put it in a more "gentle" term, shove your tin box UP YOUR ZEITGEIST'S ASS!
Advocates of capitalism reminds me of advocates of nuclear power... Old, outdated dinosaurs blindly supporting something that has already failed. They have also somehow managed to fool everybody that capitalism or nuclear power is the way to go, and there simply is no other way.
@eatcarpet advocates of nuclear power have proven factually that no other power-sources can compete. They have small power outputs which need not even exist. They offer too little. Failure has not happened in nuclear, only with uranium+plutonium. THORIUM nuclear has none of the flaws & can't be used to make bombs. It has never failed. It has been shut down to proceed with massive nuke bombs using uranium reactors as a decoy for power. Thorium is abundant, uranium is not.
@eatcarpet It would probably be easy enough to get a thorium reactor back online inside of 5 years. The parts are cheaper, the mining of thorium is cheaper & is frequently with the rare earth elements already being mined. It blows renewables out of the water 10 thousand to 1.
@liutasx Hypoxia will induce permanent damage. There's no reversal possible at that stage. You can't magically predict the precise amount of hypoxia tolerable which won't lead to that damage & it's highly dangerous to even try to make that magic-band happen, which won't be the same for every cell as each cell is unique.
Apoptosis can happen when ANY trigger hits the right receptors or can be PREVENTED (causing cancer) which i s just as bad.
Diabetes DOES exist& insulin is GENETICALLY PRODUCED
@liutasx Now I know for a fact and everyone can know that you are a fraud: you are not taking any PhD in anything, especially to do with biology: insulin is the product of transcribed genetic sequences yet you claim nothing can produce it. We transplant the gene sequences into plasmids for e.coli bacteria so they can make human insulin in vats. We extract & sell that insulin.
You know less than nothing: you are determined to live with fraud only as your life's purpose.
@eatcarpet It didn't take 50 to make the last operational thorium reactor. You're dreaming now. It's a proven technology, not a theory. It was shut down because it can't make bombs. It never failed and did operate flawlessly.
@eatcarpet You can keep dreaming. The truth is that thorium reactors are cheap and work. The truth is that nuclear energy is superior above all else. The truth is that the future has no choice. It's not anything to do with dreaming: only the facts.
@ytgv3fc7 If thorium was so cheap and wonderful, then why isn't the world filled with thorium reactors by now? After all the posturing and promise made by the supposed potential of the nuclear power, only a fraction of the world's electricity is actually powered by nuclear. While more and more electricity are being powered up by solar power, wind power, etc. You can't use the "you can't make bombs" excuse because you can't exactly make bombs from them, either.
You have listed certain cause of apoptosis, when i have listed more abstract cause internal damage (cytochrome c), infection (Cytotoxic T cell), cancer and losing contact with other tissue cells.
All organs has innervation from nervous system - central coordinator.You're thinking that CNS is central coordinator, but in facts all nervous system is, and nervous system compose not only from CNS also and from PNS, both is connected and work in concert to coordinate body and cell functions.
@liutasx most organs have no central co-ordinator. To be a central co-ordinator in a human body requires the CNS. Not optional. Requires. The PNS is not a central co-ordinator though it is close and I listed specifically where function is independent of BOTH. The cells are actually acting with locality only to hormones & tRNA, to toxins being dumped by cells & dumped in from the bloodstream, or injury. You are too ignorant to calculate. You Fail completely. Go learn something for real.
You proven over and over again that you don't understand biology, or understand it very superficially.
You're so dogmatic about you believes (calculation problem), that then i given you facts that disprove them you ignoring them. That dogmas blind you so that you don't see truth.
Further discussion will be waste of time.
You will try to say the same about me, but read biology books and you will see that is dogmatic and that is right.
@liutasx I've PROVEN the calculation problem to you, I have no dogmatism, no belief. Belief is something I am immune to. It's just another kind of fraud. I am immune to all of that. I have demanded you to disprove,using facts, and you can not: you can only make up new frauds & try to pretend you answered. You Failed. The calculation problem has been 100x prove to you as valid at all times. Central control is total failure & you presented that failure 100%.
"Determine the proper needs of stored fat + starches in relation to the needs of energy consumption & heat retention" false statements due to superficial knowledge. How you explain obesity?
Body central controllers distribute resource properly with feedback from cells.Does you still ignoring facts?
Only one that have, not finished high school for biology is you. Read books and you how see superficial knowledge you have.
Hypoxia induce permanent damage under certain time. Learn biology.
@liutasx I'm talking about organs for which there are 0 neurons used for feedback so there are no speeds at which there is any 400m/s feedback. I'm also talking about hormonally induced cellular control via the blood-stream that varies widely in time but is still evolved so that some organs get a faster response time than others due to their connectivity in the blood vessel topology. The body central nervous system has no connections for kidneys, spleen for vital regulation. None.
@liutasx Cells do react instantly to their chemical environment. This is proven fact. Cells do not search for signal transduction: there is no such search possible. Hypoxia caused by external forces, not internal errors, can't be changed by any hormonal signals: no feedback. Most of the damages I've mentioned have no neural connections: neural speed is 0 in this case. Real biology: most cells have autonomy. Most cells can't get responses timely from distant cells at all.
Cells in multicellular is working in principle: i need to behave, so that i doing is beneficial for population and then for me i.e population and me able replicate
Cells to respond always take time,responded happen in seconds and also in minutes e.g. insulin binding to receptor trigger many signals one transmitted in nuclear, and triggers protein synthesis (min), other modify existing protein and increase glucose transporter in surface (sec).
@liutasx You should stop pushing your fraud now. You've already been clearly exposed. Life's TWO functions are to FEED and replicate at the basic level but at the macro-level are to INTERACT with other life in ways too complex (calculation problem) for you to even comprehend. Just give it up already. You're beat. Done. Disproven. a fraud. Making shit up. Clearly an idiot.
The process of evolution has in fact formed the precise needs of response so they will be immediate. False statement response isn't immediate. (Signal transduction)
You can't be "sure" how much energy you used out of what you consumed. This assertion is not supported.
Your understanding that is life is superficial, and this is reason why you're making false statement. Answer simple question that is only function of life?
@liutasx Many people will die without a car. Your unique experience does not translate to any other person. For those living in winter environs like the Inuit they will die now without cars. Cars are used to keep warm while traveling in 6-month night. Cars are used for traveling in rural environments between farms. Cars are used for working people when a walk would take all day so no work can be done. They will die without needed cars. Cars are not wants. Medicine delivered to the disabled: same
@liutasx I made a factual statement: evolution evolved total precision immediate responses requiring no signal transduction at all. That's why it's immediate. The structure of the organelles, surface receptors and differentiation of cells prevents some negative (damaging) outcomes immediately, thereby having immediate benefit with zero lag time: no signal transduction. Immunity to certain pathogens is part of this. The proven fact, never assertion, is that energy can't be precalculated.
@liutasx The absolute and total proven fact of failure to precalculate energy requirements is based on kinematics. You need to know the precise number of movements per second a person will make in any given day to know their energy requirements. You fail. You need to know all their futures to know which movements will happen. You can't. you fail. You require all this data to know a single moment's energy consumption. You need to sum all these moments to get the answer. You fail
@liutasx This is why we have insulin, glucagon & phosphorylation of glucose. This completely decentralized distribution of hormones & nutrients allows immediate response in healthy humans. Your failed understanding is proven a failure. You need to simulate all these hormones in all healthy & unhealthy people and simulate all futures for all persons for all seconds to get ONE answer for energy consumption. Every person is wildly different with age, job, temperature. WEATHER prediction is required
@liutasx Therefore it is proven as absolute fact without question: you must predict ever future weather location & person and moment and job or you fail the calculation test,proving the calculation problem to be CORRECT. Again. Your failure to understand shows massive ignorance, around age 13 or younger. Every person already is this computational structure at maximum efficiency ever known. You can't replicate it without lag/waste/failure. Central control is total failure. Proven yet again.
Apoptosis don't occur incidentally: cell is damaged by ROS, infectected, or becomed cancer
You distort that i say. Only beta cells in pancreas IN HUMAN BODY produce insulin, in other cells IN HUMAN BODY insulin gene is silenced epigenetically (C-5 Methylation, deacetylation, hystone modification and etc.)
Kidney, spleen and almost all organs don't have CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM inervation, but have AUTONOMIC NERVOUS SYSTEM innervation. Both nervous system is interconnected. Learn anatomy.
@liutasx Absolutely wrong about apoptosis: any number of triggers can happen due to disease or poisoning. I distort nothing. I prove every claim. Your entire set of claims about biology is a fraud. You have studied nothing. You seem barely to understand English. You're relying on fiction. Everyone reading this can check online references & books to determine I have made no mistakes & you have only made mistakes.
@liutasx Not all cells in all organs have innervation and that's what counts. Most of those organs have no innervation connection to the CNS so there is no central control. I am proven right twice.
@eatcarpet So it seems you are twice deceived: capitalism is the only right to live & own things. If you have no such rights you have no capitalism. It's that simple. Nuclear power is the only way to support 7 billion people with power: without it the population can not exceed 3 billion planet-wide. That's right, 50% death of all life is mandatory if nuclear power is gone. Go for it.
@ytgv3fc7 Thankfulness for understanding. You are hereby invited to Intelligent Union. Because you understanding this also suggests beginning to organise an intelligent politics to solve the problem or just be part of the end...and maybe eat or be eaten by your neighbour.
@martinvaxjo I am sure I will help solve the problem. Dynamic systems usually seem more obvious to me because the larger dimensions of structure fit in my mind easily.
The US economy had near death experiences numerous times, e.g. in the 80’s the Japanese tried to save US economy by buying the US debts and just throwing money at Americans such as buying the Rockefeller Buildings in New York at inflated price or purchased a Van Gogh painting for $150 million, etc. But that wasn’t enough to brink US economy out of recession.
The economist Milton Friedman who an economic adviser to Ronald Reagan, had studied consumerism and price stability, knew that US economy had already priced itself out of competition. US was desperately in need of some form of “structural price adjustment”, he didn’t want to admit that his “free market” bullshits didn’t work, so he turned to China’s slave workers “market”.
If US economy collapse, USSR would have an upper hand over the US and W. Europe if it wasn't Reagan went crawling to China in the 80's begging for helps in two fronts military alliance and subsidies for US economy with Chinese slave labors and cheap consumer goods to enable the US to focus on building hi-tech weapons.
During the 80’s, Milton actually went to China several times and gave lectures to the top Chinese communist party top echelon on “free market” economy with the blessing of Deng Xiaoping. Actually Reagan could have sent a monkey and Deng would have said “OK”, because Deng realized USSR was more dangerous than the US at the time. You see both US and USSR threaten to nuke China five or six times, Soviet actually contacted the Americans and tried to get Americans to join them nuke China.
While the “rich monkeys” may want to celebrate capitalism over communism in China, I see it as only a short term chess game, and the Americans are actually losing grounds worldwide at the moment, economic collapse is the just the beginning of that down fall.
THE U.S. IS A DANGEROUS WOUNDED ANIMALS, WE’RE NOW THAT MUCH CLSOER TO A NUCLEAR WAR…
One of the Laws of Social Cycles is : The Acquisitive class lacks moral aptitude (i.e. arrogant assholes), they always were defeated by warriors class. Reasons will not work with these animals, e.g. Nazism in Germany, communism in USSR, China, Cambodia, N.Korea, etc. AND TODAY THE ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT ALSO CONCLUDED THAT REASONS WILL NOT WORKED WITH THIS ACQUISITIVE CLASS ANIMALS.
ytgv3fc7 wrote: "Rich people are better: that's why they're rich. Nature does the same: those with better food, better strength, better hunting skill, better immunities get better mates. Our system today is the best ever & I love it."
My answer to that is :
If only were the case that Marxism/communism would kill only the rich (or asshole like ytgv3fc7) and leave the rest of people alone, it would have been THE BEST EVER SYSTEM & I'D LOVE IT!
The Jewish ideology/money paradigm guy is a morally bankrupted hypocritically idiot who said shits like " the poor are like animals and plants" who occupy the lower status of the food chain as "nature intended". "Food chain" or "higher cause" are all the same shits that originally came out of a Greek square-headed named Aristotle's ass and further developed by some German square-headed into what is now known as "teleology" or ideology of "final cause", THE ROOT OF TOTALITARIANISM.
To The Zeitgeit Movement gangs (RBE and "Venus Project" bunch), the "ytgv3fc7" capitalist-is-better-evil-shit guy - both of you are square-headed idiots!
Basically it's Germany (actually Jewish -- Karl Marx shits) ideologies vs British (actually Jewish-- Karl Poppers shits) ideologies. TZM is essentially a rehash of Marxism, where as Marxism is a "proletariat" dictatorship (i.e. the Communist Party dictatorship), TZM is an "engineering" class dictatorship
@chapsroc I'm the most genius person you'll ever talk to in your entire life.
Capitalism flat out is nothing more than ownership & trade. What you see before you is FASCISM and FRAUD. Capitalism has not failed: it has been turned off. You're a fucking racist idiot.
@ytgv3fc7 , you have mental disease, too stupid for me to even spit on your face, the very scumbag-kind arrogance that drove people to pick up arms, as in revolutions. Since armed conflicts killed worse than disease, YOU'RE DISEASE OF THE WORSE KIND!
Capitalism has been doomed since the day of it's conception, just like monarchies,communism and all other systems that are not for the common good. A Resource Based Economy is probably the next step. We need something that manages our resources not deplete it at an alarming rate. The problem is that humans don't live long enough and the ones fucking the planet are old and know they're not going to be around to see the result of their destruction!
You would think these two have never read any history. When capitalism goes into crisis, either fascism or socialism will emerge, usually both competing for a time, until one reigns supreme. Fascism starts as a middle class ideology, as the middle class is pushed into the lower classes, and then is used by the owning class to create a mass movement for military conquest and martial law. If socialism wins, democracy is extended from politics to economics.
Unionism is miniaturized Marxism, and Marx was full of shits, both unions and communism were easily defeated by the acquisitive class (it’s a fact.) No group can lord over or dominate the other group for long, thus all political economy system will failed. Learn to leave people alone, then people will learn to organize themselves organically and you will live freely; Try to dictate people, you’ll die in endless cycles of struggles.
Marx was dead wrong, so were all of Western “thinkers” from Plato “philosophy-king” to Marxism, to Karl Popper “liberal democracy” cum “Open Society”(in reality Popper was an acquisitive class polemist.) Every one of them honed their polemics for the supremacy of one of four human types: warriors, intellectuals, acquisitors and labored. Warriors are disciplined but can’t run the country; Intellectuals are most corruptible; acquisitors lack moral aptitudes; Laborers can’t organize themselves
Can you explain how transition from ownership to access is theft, if this all is VOLUNTARY?
Nothing will take your stuff, if you need them. You will have ACCESS to them.
And where is problem, with access? Does you ALWAYS need car, books and etc.?
Access means you GETTING when you NEED, and RETURN when you don't need. Does is so hard to understand that? Ownership is wasteful concept, you holding stuff, when you no need them: car is used on average for 0,5 per day.
@liutasx I can explain completely: transition is not voluntary. No one ever voluntarily gives up all ownership of all future things & current things. Ever. It is death to do so: life depends on using those owned things like food, water, bed, home. No person voluntarily gives this up so the only way you get them is INVOLUNTARY. If I have the ACCESS that I NEED TO SURVIVE than I have 100% ownership precisely as I do now which means no need for Venus Project.
@liutasx "Access means you GETTING when you NEED, and RETURN when you don't need"
WRONG.
Only I can decide when I do not need but in venus project I have no such power. The anti-scientific assumption is that a central controller (who is not in any way scientific but 100% claims to be) will decide that only I can NOT decide my own need and will decide FOR ME (force). 100% ownership/access is efficient. 99% is wasteful.
@liutasx there's something called LOGISTICS and something else called OVERHEAD. As a programmer I understand very well the costs of organization based on time-complexity & access-lags to devices and/or networks. This is only made worse by the TRANSPORT of heavy masses for energy, commodities & finished products in Venus Project. The overhead is so high it's less efficient than 100% ownership by each person/user/group. I need a car 100% of the day, not 0.5. You miscalculated.
@liutasx This is where the central CALCULATION problem fails for all central-planners (be it socialist or concentrated monopoly capitalism): a central controller always fails to calculate the real % need or valuation/gain or survival/failure modes for all Always. Fail to calculate. It is scientifically proven you must fail because you refuse the data & the data is too vast to collect & use faster than I can collect & use it by myself. You can't ever prove to me I use a car less than 100%
First I say that car is inefficient method for transportation. (Our technical reality part 4)
In RBE will be much more efficient methods of transportation: cyclical conveyers, maglev trains. Car will be used where you can’t get with other machines. Usage of car will drop dramatically compare with current usage.
In RBE you don’t need to hurry somewhere like you need now and you don’t need to have car at hand.
Does for you will sufficient if you need to wait car 1 min. till it arrives?
@liutasx THE ANALYSIS: if there is a mode5 in which I do not own the car and do have less than 5 seconds of lag to get to the car, what makes this possible?
Can matter travel faster than the speed of light to deliver me another car?
Can machines self-assemble fast enough to build me a car on the spot?
Can another person with my (former/recent) car return it within 5 seconds?
Experiment & report the results.
GUESS WHAT: you can't move matter that fast. 100% ownership is 100% efficient.
We don't need to take stuff of other peoples, but we need enough support to move in RBE. It's so simple. In addition to this transition not will happen in night, it will be gradually.
Money is needed, where scarcity of resources exists, and abundance created by technology will make money obsolete.
Central planned system has worked and work successful e.g. Project Cybersyn, Fedex.
Calculation problem was showed by socialists is flawed, irrelevant and don’t exist (calculation in kind).
@liutasx you won't get anyone giving up their stuff so that only leaves taking. If you get no taking & no giving, and that's how it's going to be, your Venus Project (which is not RBE at all) has nothing. This transition will NEVER happen in a non-violent manner. It is against human nature to kill one's self to serve your mysterious future of machines yet this suicide is mandatory to get any resources to build it. Abundance CAN'T be created by technology. Scarcity IS HARD-CODED into nature.
I will repeat one more time - we no need people's stuff, only SUPPORT and understanding. People that SUPPORT and understand, will give their time and property to build RBE. It's so hard to understand?
There is no such thing like human nature, that exist is human behavior, which fully determine by environment.
Your proposition is only flannel, without support. Can based your proposition on facts, that "Abundance CAN'T be created by technology" and "Scarcity IS HARD-CODED into nature."?
@liutasx and I will repeat one more time: Venus Project is predicated on STUFF, the central control of PHYSICAL STUFF, GLOBAL RESOURCES like food, land & water, not "support". Central control of my ACCESS to physical STUFF, so you're lying and proven lying. RBE is what I said it is; zeitgeist-venus fake-RBE is taking physical stuff to control it. Your version of RBE is theft & central control. It's hard to be lied to: not to understand. There is ONLY human nature, 0% environment.
@liutasx I did use facts: you need to create infinite matter, using technology, to abolish scarcity. Scarcity is a function of population (exponential growth) vs finite matter (zero growth). You can't create infinite matter so you lose. Period. Done. Proven. Facts only. No opinion. Scarcity is FINITE LIMITED EXISTENCE, the HARD CODED CARVED IN STONE PROVEN FACT OF ALL NATURE IN ALL HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE.
@liutasx I am both a socialist AND a capitalist: the calculation problem has never been flawed. It is this simple: I value my needs & resources according to my immediate-changing environment and you CAN NOT (did not) calculate it right. You assumed (mistakenly) and I corrected you (car: specific examples). It does exist at all times. Your notions are fraudulent.
You confuse needs and wants, basic needs never change (food and water). Your choice of wants is restricted, by that is available.
That mean:
Needs can be calculated.
Wants can be calculated, because choices are restricted. Restriction enable to calculate wants through statistics. Additional things can be manufactured on demand (3D printing).
How you determine void and nothing (if no matter, when void have fields energy)?
@liutasx I confuse no such thing as needs and wants. I refer to needs only. I did not make any reference to wants. Needs can not be calculated: every need is unique because every body is unique, every disease is unique, every environment is unique and needs are subject to INTERFACE. Like travel through lakes, roads, snow, tropics, or seeking food where a source of say, oranges is located ONLY in certain global locales. Statistics can't do as you demand: ever.
We can calculate how much kcal you need depend on work you are doing, age, height and weight, we also know how much we need proteins, fats, carbohydrates, vitamins and minerals.
Body needs is now calculable, because needs depends on limited variables.
Weak up of your imaginable world and come to reality, and learn biology, because application of computer science to nature is very limited and restricted.
@liutasx You can't calculate the work I'll be doing or at what time or what interfering patterns will decide for me. I'm the one who gets that information fastest and I can't calculate it all. I get information at a rate where I need to act on it within seconds or minutes & I can't wait for a central controller to decide for me what's most efficient. It won't be right at that moment, it will be lagged. Then you have no idea what is my health, dietary needs, I will know them first & fastest
@liutasx I SAY YOU DO. You say you don't need to know my needs while I say you will kill me if you don't know my needs. That's the essence of the TOTAL FAILURE of Zeitgeist, venus project & all central control. Denial of reality at the core. No one can know better than me what will fail for me. Ever. Distro+Tracking resources is 100% control & decision FOR ME. My decisions ONLY are tracking+distribution control FOR MYSELF. They are nothing else.
@liutasx Summing it up: #1 you deny the reality of computation #2 you deny the reality of multi-dimensional event-space #3 you deny that my needs are known to me best of all #4 you deny that approximations are unacceptable #5 you deny anything that doesn't fit your assumptions & limitations #6 using all these assumptions & denial is 100% rejection of the scientific method.
This is why Venus/Zeitgeist/Centralization always fails.
@liutasx in core essence capitalism works because it is the most efficient calculation solution: negative feedback at all levels of collectives induces survival mechanisms for cells, a person, a family, a business, a city, and perhaps even nations (we'll see: nations seem to dissolve frequently so perhaps not). SOCIALISM with NO CENTRALIZATION works by collectively grouping people to use the best of what's available for long-term survival: including capitalistic traits & materials.
@liutasx the only essence missing in the combination of capitalism & socialism is an IMMUNE SYSTEM. A grid of unquestionable force, highly adaptive, constantly perceptive, routing out invaders/fraud. Frauds mimic useful products, people & data/information to steal/destroy, like a virus invades the body. Interfacing between Socialism & Capitalism we need this anti-fraud grid reporting everything too quickly to be stopped so WE can take action to stop errors immediately. INCLUDING SELF-DECEPTION
@liutasx As it turns out your approach is one of the errors to be corrected. Self-deception is still fraud. Any source of fraud is a problem. An adaptive system will measure, not assume, the damage & report, not calculate, the problems so that every person and machine has the chance to act as they each see fit. Some need take no action which reduces total computation (which is something no central controller can know). That's why immune systems also have no central controllers.
@liutasx I'd like to know just what you think is a part of life's decisions for one's survival & even enjoyment once survival is assured that is NOT the tracking & distribution of resources. Every meal, every nutrient, every concept, every idea, every product, every machine, everything is one of those things. All of them are population needs. all of them are destroyed when you interfere a central controller in the middle, lagging everything & serving wrong/no data/products/food repeatedly
@liutasx ah right, FRAUD, that's your solution. It's not sufficient to put everyone on Human Kibble but that's what your Scientific (not) central controller would do. It's not survivable to force everyone to the same physical workouts to live, because of higher abilities for some & disabilities for others, but if you stick to your fraud, which you should immediately dismiss, you'll FORCE everyone to live to the same conditions who CAN'T POSSIBLY. CALCULATION PROBLEM proved yet again 100%
@liutasx The application of computer science to nature is effectively unlimited. Nature is but another form of computer. The variables are not limited but the over-all metastructure of feeding input instructions & acting on them is part of us (ribosomes, DNA). So literally you can't calculate any of the protein or carb needs for anyone around me, and me, without me spending so much time updating you/central controller that I can't do any work/live because I'm updating you.
Organism is biochemical machine, based biochemical calculator.
That calculator have radically different working principle, and much more complex than electronic computers. And if you think you can apply electronic computer working principle to biochemical calculator, you're really need to learn much more about biology.
And explain why amount of variables is unlimited, in biological terms?
Learn biology, because you don't understand that talking about.
@liutasx WRONG. A computer is not a calculator. Execution of instructions is not just math. It's connectivity, forces, sequences, branching, dynamic motion pre-set by the sequence & massive simultaneous execution in every ribosome. So until you can replicate every cell & every interface of every cell to another cell AND to the outside world, from your central computers, for all living things, you can't have a Central "scientific" controller. That's why it's unlimited.
@liutasx For each possible number of cells, which is a quadrillion or so per person, for each person, for each situation that person will be in for the future (for the entire life-span of organism), for each interaction between each such cell you must now calculate the precise needs with a delay of no more than 1 nanosecond. If you make a mistake you compound errors that kill organisms, cells, people or move things to the wrong places. That's why central control fails. CALCULATION PROBLEM
@liutasx Biology, which I know far better than you do, is in fact the core proof of why the calculation problem is 100% proven and the dismissal of it is 100% fraud.
@liutasx so I hope I have clarified: there is no way you can predict everything I need at a given moment without BEING me. I can predict most of my needs but not all, because the future changes and my needs are dictated by my knowing short spurts of my future & my most serious past-factors for health & learning. You can't store all that data in any computer nor retrieve future-data from anywhere. I alone can get that future based on my own experience & knowledge.
I don't see a problem if i can't precisely calculate your need, but i can calculate that approximately and difference will be very small. One person need more, another less, but in average is constant.
We don't need to know every person need, to calculate population needs, because average is constant.
@liutasx I just gave you the limits: 5 seconds for car, and you'll seen in a few minutes, 1 nanosecond for cellular chemistry. You can't hit those limits. You need magical technology which can't exist to even attempt it & storage capacity for computation exceeding all particles on Earth just for the computer. You can't approximate anything or you kill things. Approximations are not acceptable or functional. You must have every person's need at all times for all futures or you fail.
@liutasx This is where you fail. The future changes averages, changes dynamic structure, changes everything. Your fundamental assumptions are anti-reality, again, the core essence of the now 5 times proven calculation problem. You can't store enough data & compute fast enough to get any answers right for more than 1 person in 1 possible future. yet for a central-controlled society you need every possible future for every combination of people or you Fail. Averages are NEVER constant.
@liutasx The reason averages are never constant is because a constant average is a function of a linear metric. This is not a linear metric, this is the computation of connective multi-dimensional structures, starting with cellular chemistry, ending with the macro-structure of event-space connecting groups of persons+machines from past to future. Completely non-linear for which the concept of "average" is itself an impossibility. What's the "average" structure of a bridge? An engine? NONE.
@liutasx There is but one single system you could design that would "meet the needs of many" and that is to design a system for one type of person and let all the others suffer. Then if you had enough resources, and you won't, you could add one more type of person, and for every such system you'll have gigantic logistical lags as I mentioned earlier, causing massive waste-failures. Many would die, be over-worked, or waiting forever to get simple things like a car ride or a meal.
@liutasx as a computer programmer I am VERY AWARE of 3-D printing and the genetic programming that is most efficient for selecting new designs. You can't at any time pre-plan an entire society like this: every PERSON lives in a unique SPACE AND TIME and every NEED dictated by the LOCALE is unique. The computations you require exceed all capacity of knowledge of the entire history of the future of Earth. You can't store/compute them by any means, especially statistics.
How i have said, needs is calculable, because needs is depended on limited factors. Although every person live in unique environment, but hes/shes needs is determine by SAME LIMITED factors. This easy to calculate, for every person on Earth.
@liutasx it is for this primary reason, the calculation problem we have now twice proven is a fact and law and not a theory and not disproven or flawed, not in any shape or form a question of wants, that survival itself depends on getting this calculation right. Every quarantine, hospital, community, farming region, industrial complex, all of them are unique and on baseline needs ONLY are so unique that they do not resemble each other even slightly. EVERY attempt will yield wrong answers.
@liutasx "How you determine void and nothing (if no matter, when void have fields energy)?"
no energy you can detect. There's theoretical calculations of higher energy but nothing you can determine by any physical instrument, nothing you can use.And even if you could turn even more void-space into matter and/or energy you'd run out of space for that matter+energy. The constrained locality, the distance-radius, is itself finite. No matter what you hit the wall of being finite. SCARCITY, the fact
Your definition of void is not applicable in this universe, because where is no place in universe, that have no energy. That mean you definition of scarcity and abundance is invalid.
Sometime examine your theory in real world, does it have support from existing facts, and only after verification think further.
@liutasx My definition of void doesn't exist; I'm using the only definition of void that has ever been known to modern science. There is a void and in it no energy you can extract by any technological means. There is space which is not matter & is not energy which you can not convert to matter or energy thereby removing the space. Your definitions are invalid therefore mine are fact. Examine the true factual real world as I have, and 100% I am factual here, or you are devoid of any utility.
Definition which define non existing thing, is no definition at all. And can you give source that you found this definition? And you probably forget mass can be converted into energy and vise versa E=mc^2.
@liutasx I forgot nothing. I said EMPTY SPACE. You can't turn empty space into matter or energy so no matter your conversions of matter TO energy this is NEW and additional: so that space itself becomes MATTER OR ENERGY but the space itself is removed. Without this technology you can't have a Venus Project, Zeitgeist or "abundance".
@liutasx these REQUIREMENTS that you make matter and energy from EMPTY VOID SPACE are the ONLY possible technologies that can create abundance. If you fail to create either then you fail to create abundance. No other technology can create abundance. SCARCITY is having finite matter, finite energy and a finite life span. These core nature traits are not defeatable by any technology ever.
@liutasx Abundance + scarcity, the calculation: observe the resources in use. Observe the excess population having too little. Observe there is no excess of a given resource per population unit. Scarcity is thereby proven. Observe full consumption without loss, detriment, starvation, to any population unit, observe excess resources not consumed: abundance is proven. That is how you measure it.
@liutasx I said 5 seconds or less for a car. It would be just like delivery times for meals. It would be massive shipments of food timing right for all weather emergencies and excess/shortages in crops to supply groceries in mass that's not ready-made delivery.
FedEx can't do that. NO central organization can do all that.
Calculation problem is shown to be 100% valid & I've re-proven it to you 3 times now.
Learn biology, because you don't know how biochemical machinery works. You see in biology that you want to see, and use elements that understand and support that you want to think, but in reality elements is only part of image, and image is different, than you approximate from part of elements.
How Fedex can't do, that is central planned system, if it work, it's a fact. Does you are ignoring facts?
Can you show that Fedex don't work? And how about Project Cybersyn?
@liutasx It is you that needs to learn biology. I have already proven many times over that my knowledge exceeds yours on this topic, as with computers, as with money, as with resources. You are behind on all these counts. I can prove FedEx doesn't work for me: it can't deliver my groceries or meals in the required time frame of no more than 20 minutes. They know they can't do this so they refuse to enter this business arena. Approximation=death. Precision is required. You're ignoring all facts.
@liutasx "And how about Project Cybersyn" -> failure
That's why it was destroyed. It did more damage to workers than was ever justified by its existence so it was destroyed as soon as possible. No such use of technology is valid, morally good, or worth keeping. I'd destroy it too. Good on them. The destruction of wages using this machine starved people and so it became a tool of evil just like Zeitgeist is.
Human organism not fulfill every cells needs every nanosecond, and cell not die e.g. without oxygen neurons can live till 5 min. and etc.
And when you talking that if every need will not fulfill immediately, system will crash or organism will die, you have example that disprove that - your body, which is central planned system, with feedback from smaller units - cells e.g. lungs is central unit for oxygen, smaller units is other cells.
Any system can collapse if they allow someone to buy the power with money.
Unfortunately, the capitalism by nature, that part is built in.
allgoo19 5 hours ago
Lols Socialism hasn't been proven wrong, there hasn't been a true Socialist country on this planet.
777Clong 1 month ago
bureaucracy has been proven wrong ..not socialism.
ProudToBeLeftWing 3 months ago 6
More like capitalism has doomed the planet. Look at the state its in.
xMoistx 3 months ago
No, no I dont think so. But I do think far right free market ideology is doomed.
gulbirk 3 months ago
Yes, capitalism is doomed.
eatcarpet 5 months ago in playlist Videos from TheRealNews
Capitalism is idiotic, giving power to idiots without any expertise, contacts, academic traditions, knowledge of diplomacy or mental capacity to govern it is a waste.
USA is going to hell because "people" see money as personal wager, they make terrible deals with countries on the other side of the globe and leak billions of American USD out on the international market in order to increase their tiny portion of personal income.
It's disgusting how unpatriotic Greed can make people!
Ulrna 5 months ago
The US Socialist and Green Parties are on the rise because capitalism and this attitude of letting bankers and corporate execs get away with stealing as much as they want from the government without doing any work has proven disastrous.
mphello 5 months ago
Reason tea party is on the rise is because many people in america is longing back to "old america", a country of prosperity before this new era of mass unemployment and financial deregulation. And i am not stating that they are wrong or right, but it seems like that to me.
dma777able 5 months ago
"The 21st century will see the end of capitalism, as the 20th century saw the end of communism" (Panajotis Kondylis)
CaptainBluebear08 5 months ago 3
@CaptainBluebear08
Do you agree with that statement?
I can't really see capitalism coming to an end at any time in the 21st century. Like socialism or Christianity, capitalism adapts to meet its new surroundings, taking on new parts of the existing ideological order.
Similarly, not sure when Kondylis thinks "communism" ever existed in any earthly form or when it died in the 20thC*. If, as many of the posters on this comment section believe, communism will arrive shortly, how then did it die?
ContemptForYou 5 months ago
@CaptainBluebear08
Do you agree with that statement?
I can't really see capitalism coming to an end at any time in the 21st century. Like socialism or Christianity, capitalism adapts to meet its new surroundings, taking on new parts of the existing ideological order.
Similarly, not sure when Kondylis thinks "communism" ever existed in any earthly form or when it died in the 20thC. If, as many of the posters on this comment section believe, communism will arrive shortly, how then did it die?
ContemptForYou 5 months ago
@ContemptForYou
First of all: 21st century - 10 years = a buggering long time. So it is sure that the "downfall" is going to come in our century.
Communism consisted of a real existing 'nationstate' socialism + an utopian humanist inspiration. Socialism collapsed in the last century; the utopian drive will, as inherent to human nature, continue to exist. Since that socialism collapsed, capitalism has SOME proof charge now.
"The loser wins"
CaptainBluebear08 5 months ago
@CaptainBluebear08
There are roughly 90 years left in this century for capitalism to come to an end. Given the hundreds of years it has existed, changing to meet every new era, it seems unlikely.
Communism has never existed in state form. That's precisely the point. Communism is stateless. It has no government, no coinage. It has never existed. What you refer to was authoritarian socialism - yet socialism takes many forms.
The social democracies of Europe clearly prove the claim otherwise.
ContemptForYou 5 months ago
@ContemptForYou
*sigh* Capitalism exists for some 200 years to the max. The European state capitalisms which we called "social democracies" survived by developing/infusing themselves with socialist policies and now, as a kinda cunning of reason, we can see capitalism in fundamental crises after it shed her skin.
Please first to get acquainted with the "See Spot run" of history before adressing me.
CaptainBluebear08 5 months ago
@CaptainBluebear08
Yawn. You've missed the point, yet again. Capitalism adapts. It does not die. You have no rational basis for believing in its demise, evidential or otherwise.
Social democracy is a form of socialism. You can grasp wildly to deny this fact but it simply proves that socialism did not die in the 20th century. It's alive & well in the West, further proving the adaptability of capitalism.
Please first have some clue about basic political theory or history before replying. Cheers.
ContemptForYou 5 months ago
@ContemptForYou True.
SovietLenin1 4 months ago
OMG! I just realized what the tea partyers are all about! They are working to prevent the death of themselves and family in a civil war they are provoking! GRRrrrrrrrhhhhh.......
Licmycat 5 months ago
@eatcarpet you can't make bombs out of thorium reactors,and that's why only uranium & plutonium reactors are used and spent fuel is not buried. They say they'll bury it but then there's no more bomb-making materials available. It's all a sham. More power on Earth is from nuclear than any source ever other than Coal which is for the poorer nations. Solar+wind = nothing on Earth. Completely worthless in the global equation.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
Today, there are no kings and bishops land grab per se, but there are big corporations and billionaire who own 90% of the lands in N. America and Europe, and the poor keep losing their lands because they can not afford to pay land taxes. You Anglofites are really fucked up, you just don’t know it.
chapsroc 6 months ago
@chapsroc Today there are kings and bishops and land grabs. They are not capitalist and they are happening every day.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
Real Ownership
The concept of “true ownership” (outright ownership without having to pay tax to government) was an ancient practice of ancient China and India for thousands of years before any square-headed Anglofites even learned how to say “baba”. Each plot of land was owned and passed downed in the family for generations. They lived on it and cultivated it since time memorial, no government dared to confiscate their lands from them.
chapsroc 6 months ago
The so called Western land ownership is not a true outright ownership (if you don’t pay taxes, gov’t will put a lien on it and eventually confiscate it), it is based upon biblical concept of “covenant” or “promise granted” the use of land (but the land will always belong to God, not you), a concept designed to benefit bishops and kings, t’is the very reason why in Anglofites square-headed society, the King/Queen was also the head of the Official Church.
chapsroc 6 months ago
@thesparitan So what's your solution??
governmentdidit 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7, chew on this you parasitic disease! The US spends upward of a trillion dollars per year to maintain 1000 military bases around the world to keep your "pure capitalism"/ "fucktard free market" ideologies alive. LMAO!
chapsroc 6 months ago
@chapsroc hey fucktard, I have already argued clearly that no capitalism is taking place by any military bases. The fucktard anti-capitalism market is the fucktard military-base market. The real free market requires all those military bases be shut down. The real free market requires that all government police forces be paid ZERO so they can't rape & steal, which they are today doing. You're the fucktard idiot who defends your own rapist.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7 , ok, you parasitic disease wants to talk sensibility? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THOSE MILITARY BASES? Go shut them all down, then we will talk about your "pure Capitalism-God" free market shits.
What are you going to do about the French and Italian raping of Libyans oil? If you can't do shits about these greedy evil "capitalist" parasitic disease squared-heads, you have no credibility talking about your form of theoretical "capitalism" that doesn't exist.
chapsroc 6 months ago
@chapsroc Those bases are run off oil. By making oil too expensive 1 of 2 things happens: a) the nation shuts down the bases to sustain itself, b) the nation is killed by the bases as they rape the last of resources of the nation & become the only vestige left of the empire. Either way the rest of us are going to have an easier time in the long-run. Gadafi tried to be allies with the people bombing him. Well, shit happens. He should have had American hostages at the ready.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@chapsroc "our form of theoretical "capitalism" that doesn't exist. "
Only if you're too lazy to make it happen. It works for me. Basic capitalism: equal trade for goods, ownership, right to production from your time+materials. You wanna make it work on a larger scale you have to be willing to kill people who are stealing your stuff or trying to profit from killing you.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7, ah ha, you're a fucked up square-headed simpleton. Drool on fucktard. I ain't wasting my time with parasitic disease that also talking crazy shits. F'off!
chapsroc 6 months ago
@chapsroc You're a fucktard moron. Clearly I'm a million years ahead of you. What I state is proven fact. The rest is a choice: if you have the balls to protect your rights you can have a working capitalism. If not you can't. It's that simple. It's proven in history. You can have socialism on top of it if you like but the socialism will fail if the capitalism underlying it also fails.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7 , not million years, BILLION years, BC that is. You fucktard square-headed have not evolved beyond the number 2. Can u say 3?
You parasitic disease blob would have been useful to humanity if you just stay in the human guts and stomach and practicing your "capitalism-shit-eating-God" in there to help humanity "digest" all those rotten bile. Look it up fucktard, those bile eating bacteria have not evolved for a billion years, and that is you, a blob of parasitic disease!
chapsroc 6 months ago
@chapsroc Pretty clear you're making shit up and then having a shit-eating temper tantrum because I proved you're a fucktard, fraud & a little whiney-bitch.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7 , say you, a blob of parasitic disease? LMAO!
chapsroc 6 months ago
Saddam Hussein wanted to sell his oil for Euros only not dollars lead US to invade Iraq and kill Saddam... Qaddafi wanted to created pan-Africa gold dinars and sell oil denominate in gold dinars only is also a threat to US dollars status, thus the US+France+UK axis instigated regime change in Libya to remove Qaddafi.
Fool you, not fool me and definitely not fooling the rest of the world.
US+France+UK are dead dogs walking!
chapsroc 6 months ago
Dead Dogs walking!
US and France+UK axis' regime changes operations in Libya and Syria represents the axis desperation! Why because both Syria is getting too strong in M.E. and Libya in Africa -- these are the threat to US dollars reserve status.
Unfortunate for these dead dogs walking, this time around they could not find the Evil Empire Bad Guy to point their fingers to. The Africans and Arabs and the world knew too well of the Axis' intentions. US+France+UK are dead dogs walking.
chapsroc 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7 Great . So I guess you will read the Intelligent Union blog at wordpress. CU there! :-)
martinvaxjo 6 months ago
So it appears after all that capitalism is not doomed: most of the fools who say capitalism is doomed do not understand what capitalism is. SOME of the fools by default insist on singular central failure control with no comprehension of what resources even are or how they are used or the damages caused by lagging/refusing allocation, a constant problem with all central control, so those fools lobby for it (liutasx) & by default reject highly efficient decentralized capitalism.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7 , LMAO! You parasitic disease talked so much spaghetti shits, you drool in your own spaghetti slime! You fucktard, keep dreaming and drool your spaghetti slime, like any one is reading your shits! LOL.
Here's more realistic of your "pure capitalism" slow death.
Libya and Gadhafi caused Venezuela to withdrew gold reserves form Western banks and transferring them to more "friendly banks".
10 more countries withdraw their gold, US banks are fucked, dollars collapse! Chew on that!
chapsroc 6 months ago
@chapsroc Sounds awesome to me. That gold belongs in Venezuelan hands, not London or New York. It was a risk for trade letting that gold be held with trading partners, and now after all, it's time to bring the gold home.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
You can yack all you want, but you still have to buy their gases, food, and pay taxes (directly or indirectly taxed to you by the corporations), you're NOT going to "cut off their funding" BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT PRINT THE MONEY. You rarely see the money most of your "worth" are just blip on their computer screen (electronic credits that they can erase at any moments.)
Keep dreaming and yacking your spaghetti bullshits all you want, the acquisitive class got your balls.
chapsroc 6 months ago
The acquisitive class of US and Europe of France and England have complete control of the Anglofites' minds. It is their money the run your CHURCHES, ALL THREE BRANCHES OF US GOVERNMENT, and of course YOUR LIVES, including where you live, how far have to drive to works, and WHERE WORKS ARE AVAILABLE TO YOU.
YOUR "INFORMATION" ARE DOWNLOADED TO YOU VIA YOUR CHURCHES THROUGH YOUR PRIESTS along with the Foxnews corporatist mouth pieces.
chapsroc 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7, your methodology of defending "pure capitalism" is taken straight out of the Christian dogmatic shits, "Oh, its not the God and the Bible is full evil shits, yes your fucktard "Capitalism God" caused all evil problems in the world, but that is not your fucktard C-God's fault, IT'S DEVIL THAT DID IT"
You can shove your C-God up your asshole!
chapsroc 6 months ago
@chapsroc I have no beliefs and no gods. I deal only with facts. I have no belief in capitalism. I have only the facts that it is ownership, personal production & trade. There is no way to defend depriving any person of their personal ownership, ability to trade or personal production of goods. This is not dogmatic: any deprivation by fact is a theft, or is a charity (consenting). It must be one or the other.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7, you can also shove your "pure capitalism" tin box up your ass. "Ownership and trade" your fucktard square-box simpleton ass! If it is just a O&T Adam Smith wouldn't need to write a book that is FIVE TIMES THICKER THAT THE BIBLE in volume.
Your mental problems is the same as those of Greek-based square-box psychopathic dumbasses! You can't think beyond the number two. Either "tin box#1" is right, or "tin box#2" is right, and your fucktard world is confined to just TB1 or TB2.
chapsroc 6 months ago
@chapsroc "Adam Smith wouldn't need to write a book that is FIVE TIMES THICKER THAT THE BIBLE in volume."
Wrong. Adam Smith needed to explain simple things to simpletons. It does indeed take giant books for a moron to read over and over to have a hope of getting it. Smart people don't need the books because they observe nature. Most of our best gains in technology, economics, invention, inspiration, are merely copied from nature.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7 , I thought I made it clear to you parasitic disease that YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT NATURE!
Adam Smith had to say copious shits square-headed fucktard like you. Do you ever read the spaghetti shits that you wrote? Nature does not need your -ISM tin box shits. NATURE JUST IS! Get it fucktard?
Your spaghetti shits actually reveal your extreme naivite about your "enemies". These "enemies" of you are actually in your head!
chapsroc 6 months ago
@chapsroc All you made clear is that you're an idiot.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@chapsroc You are the disease. I am the cure. You are the lies. I am the pure and absolute truth.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7 and you the blob of parasitic disease also claimed that you are Jesus Christ of Capitalism-Shit-Eating-Godtard branch, too! LMAO! "I AM the Truth, the absolute truth, amen?" LOL!
chapsroc 6 months ago
What a bunch of square-headed fucktards! Zeitgeist square-headed fucktards know that in order for their ideologolies they have to make worldwide movement, JUST LIKE COMMUNINISM OR CAPITALISM -- THEY MUST FORCE THEIR SQUARE-HEADED FUCKTARD IDEOLOGIES ON TO THE WORLD, IF THEY HAVE TO KILL YOU TO ACHIEVE THAT "FINAL CAUSE", THEY WILL.
SAME OLD GREEK BASED SQUARE-HEADED DOGMAS!
I'll put it in a more "gentle" term, shove your tin box UP YOUR ZEITGEIST'S ASS!
chapsroc 6 months ago
Advocates of capitalism reminds me of advocates of nuclear power... Old, outdated dinosaurs blindly supporting something that has already failed. They have also somehow managed to fool everybody that capitalism or nuclear power is the way to go, and there simply is no other way.
eatcarpet 6 months ago
@eatcarpet advocates of nuclear power have proven factually that no other power-sources can compete. They have small power outputs which need not even exist. They offer too little. Failure has not happened in nuclear, only with uranium+plutonium. THORIUM nuclear has none of the flaws & can't be used to make bombs. It has never failed. It has been shut down to proceed with massive nuke bombs using uranium reactors as a decoy for power. Thorium is abundant, uranium is not.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7 Yeah sure buddy, and when are thorium reactors coming online? 2050? The fact is that renewables are already gaining traction.
eatcarpet 6 months ago
@eatcarpet It would probably be easy enough to get a thorium reactor back online inside of 5 years. The parts are cheaper, the mining of thorium is cheaper & is frequently with the rare earth elements already being mined. It blows renewables out of the water 10 thousand to 1.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
Human live with hipovitaminosis - huge imbalance, and NOT die. You ignoring facts.
The amount of time this can be tolerated can be seconds to days per cell depending on total combined conditions. No data support.
Here is compensatory mechanism for hypoxia -search hypoxia induced genes. This shows that you don't understand very little about biology.
Apotosis happen when imbalance deplete the compensatory mechanism.
And for diabetes, can't exist, because nothing, can produce insulin.
liutasx 6 months ago
@liutasx Hypoxia will induce permanent damage. There's no reversal possible at that stage. You can't magically predict the precise amount of hypoxia tolerable which won't lead to that damage & it's highly dangerous to even try to make that magic-band happen, which won't be the same for every cell as each cell is unique.
Apoptosis can happen when ANY trigger hits the right receptors or can be PREVENTED (causing cancer) which i s just as bad.
Diabetes DOES exist& insulin is GENETICALLY PRODUCED
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx Now I know for a fact and everyone can know that you are a fraud: you are not taking any PhD in anything, especially to do with biology: insulin is the product of transcribed genetic sequences yet you claim nothing can produce it. We transplant the gene sequences into plasmids for e.coli bacteria so they can make human insulin in vats. We extract & sell that insulin.
You know less than nothing: you are determined to live with fraud only as your life's purpose.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7 5 years, you're dreaming. Try 50 years.
eatcarpet 6 months ago
@eatcarpet It didn't take 50 to make the last operational thorium reactor. You're dreaming now. It's a proven technology, not a theory. It was shut down because it can't make bombs. It never failed and did operate flawlessly.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7 Is that why there are so many thorium reactors actually operating right now? HAH! Keep dreaming.
eatcarpet 6 months ago
@eatcarpet You can keep dreaming. The truth is that thorium reactors are cheap and work. The truth is that nuclear energy is superior above all else. The truth is that the future has no choice. It's not anything to do with dreaming: only the facts.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7 If thorium was so cheap and wonderful, then why isn't the world filled with thorium reactors by now? After all the posturing and promise made by the supposed potential of the nuclear power, only a fraction of the world's electricity is actually powered by nuclear. While more and more electricity are being powered up by solar power, wind power, etc. You can't use the "you can't make bombs" excuse because you can't exactly make bombs from them, either.
eatcarpet 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
You have listed certain cause of apoptosis, when i have listed more abstract cause internal damage (cytochrome c), infection (Cytotoxic T cell), cancer and losing contact with other tissue cells.
All organs has innervation from nervous system - central coordinator.You're thinking that CNS is central coordinator, but in facts all nervous system is, and nervous system compose not only from CNS also and from PNS, both is connected and work in concert to coordinate body and cell functions.
liutasx 6 months ago
@liutasx most organs have no central co-ordinator. To be a central co-ordinator in a human body requires the CNS. Not optional. Requires. The PNS is not a central co-ordinator though it is close and I listed specifically where function is independent of BOTH. The cells are actually acting with locality only to hormones & tRNA, to toxins being dumped by cells & dumped in from the bloodstream, or injury. You are too ignorant to calculate. You Fail completely. Go learn something for real.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
You proven over and over again that you don't understand biology, or understand it very superficially.
You're so dogmatic about you believes (calculation problem), that then i given you facts that disprove them you ignoring them. That dogmas blind you so that you don't see truth.
Further discussion will be waste of time.
You will try to say the same about me, but read biology books and you will see that is dogmatic and that is right.
Peace out.
liutasx 6 months ago
@liutasx I've PROVEN the calculation problem to you, I have no dogmatism, no belief. Belief is something I am immune to. It's just another kind of fraud. I am immune to all of that. I have demanded you to disprove,using facts, and you can not: you can only make up new frauds & try to pretend you answered. You Failed. The calculation problem has been 100x prove to you as valid at all times. Central control is total failure & you presented that failure 100%.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
"Determine the proper needs of stored fat + starches in relation to the needs of energy consumption & heat retention" false statements due to superficial knowledge. How you explain obesity?
Body central controllers distribute resource properly with feedback from cells.Does you still ignoring facts?
Only one that have, not finished high school for biology is you. Read books and you how see superficial knowledge you have.
Hypoxia induce permanent damage under certain time. Learn biology.
liutasx 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
Most of feedback signals go:
through neurons at 400m/s
through blood, one blood circulation cycle 20s
In hypoxia cells send through blood hormone to hearth and lunges to increase oxygen production, also signal go through neurons.
Your body central controller - nervous system no causing fatal damage. You ignoring facts.
Cells not reacting instantly to environment, search for signal transduction.
Complete autonomy have only cancer cells, other cell, don't do that they cant. Biology.
liutasx 6 months ago
@liutasx I'm talking about organs for which there are 0 neurons used for feedback so there are no speeds at which there is any 400m/s feedback. I'm also talking about hormonally induced cellular control via the blood-stream that varies widely in time but is still evolved so that some organs get a faster response time than others due to their connectivity in the blood vessel topology. The body central nervous system has no connections for kidneys, spleen for vital regulation. None.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx Cells do react instantly to their chemical environment. This is proven fact. Cells do not search for signal transduction: there is no such search possible. Hypoxia caused by external forces, not internal errors, can't be changed by any hormonal signals: no feedback. Most of the damages I've mentioned have no neural connections: neural speed is 0 in this case. Real biology: most cells have autonomy. Most cells can't get responses timely from distant cells at all.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
Life one function is replicate it self.
Cells in multicellular is working in principle: i need to behave, so that i doing is beneficial for population and then for me i.e population and me able replicate
Cells to respond always take time,responded happen in seconds and also in minutes e.g. insulin binding to receptor trigger many signals one transmitted in nuclear, and triggers protein synthesis (min), other modify existing protein and increase glucose transporter in surface (sec).
liutasx 6 months ago
@liutasx You should stop pushing your fraud now. You've already been clearly exposed. Life's TWO functions are to FEED and replicate at the basic level but at the macro-level are to INTERACT with other life in ways too complex (calculation problem) for you to even comprehend. Just give it up already. You're beat. Done. Disproven. a fraud. Making shit up. Clearly an idiot.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
I don't die without car, your statement is false.
The process of evolution has in fact formed the precise needs of response so they will be immediate. False statement response isn't immediate. (Signal transduction)
You can't be "sure" how much energy you used out of what you consumed. This assertion is not supported.
Your understanding that is life is superficial, and this is reason why you're making false statement. Answer simple question that is only function of life?
liutasx 6 months ago
@liutasx Many people will die without a car. Your unique experience does not translate to any other person. For those living in winter environs like the Inuit they will die now without cars. Cars are used to keep warm while traveling in 6-month night. Cars are used for traveling in rural environments between farms. Cars are used for working people when a walk would take all day so no work can be done. They will die without needed cars. Cars are not wants. Medicine delivered to the disabled: same
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx I made a factual statement: evolution evolved total precision immediate responses requiring no signal transduction at all. That's why it's immediate. The structure of the organelles, surface receptors and differentiation of cells prevents some negative (damaging) outcomes immediately, thereby having immediate benefit with zero lag time: no signal transduction. Immunity to certain pathogens is part of this. The proven fact, never assertion, is that energy can't be precalculated.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx The absolute and total proven fact of failure to precalculate energy requirements is based on kinematics. You need to know the precise number of movements per second a person will make in any given day to know their energy requirements. You fail. You need to know all their futures to know which movements will happen. You can't. you fail. You require all this data to know a single moment's energy consumption. You need to sum all these moments to get the answer. You fail
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx This is why we have insulin, glucagon & phosphorylation of glucose. This completely decentralized distribution of hormones & nutrients allows immediate response in healthy humans. Your failed understanding is proven a failure. You need to simulate all these hormones in all healthy & unhealthy people and simulate all futures for all persons for all seconds to get ONE answer for energy consumption. Every person is wildly different with age, job, temperature. WEATHER prediction is required
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx Therefore it is proven as absolute fact without question: you must predict ever future weather location & person and moment and job or you fail the calculation test,proving the calculation problem to be CORRECT. Again. Your failure to understand shows massive ignorance, around age 13 or younger. Every person already is this computational structure at maximum efficiency ever known. You can't replicate it without lag/waste/failure. Central control is total failure. Proven yet again.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
Apoptosis don't occur incidentally: cell is damaged by ROS, infectected, or becomed cancer
You distort that i say. Only beta cells in pancreas IN HUMAN BODY produce insulin, in other cells IN HUMAN BODY insulin gene is silenced epigenetically (C-5 Methylation, deacetylation, hystone modification and etc.)
Kidney, spleen and almost all organs don't have CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM inervation, but have AUTONOMIC NERVOUS SYSTEM innervation. Both nervous system is interconnected. Learn anatomy.
liutasx 6 months ago
@liutasx Absolutely wrong about apoptosis: any number of triggers can happen due to disease or poisoning. I distort nothing. I prove every claim. Your entire set of claims about biology is a fraud. You have studied nothing. You seem barely to understand English. You're relying on fiction. Everyone reading this can check online references & books to determine I have made no mistakes & you have only made mistakes.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
All organs have innervation.
Neurons are arranged in such way, that other cells can sent signal-molecule, through diffusion i.e. cells is in diffusion radius.
The same can be said about network of capillaries, all cells between capillaries is in diffusion radius.
This is because that all cells can give signal to central controllers, and have access to nutrients.
liutasx 6 months ago
@liutasx Not all cells in all organs have innervation and that's what counts. Most of those organs have no innervation connection to the CNS so there is no central control. I am proven right twice.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@eatcarpet So it seems you are twice deceived: capitalism is the only right to live & own things. If you have no such rights you have no capitalism. It's that simple. Nuclear power is the only way to support 7 billion people with power: without it the population can not exceed 3 billion planet-wide. That's right, 50% death of all life is mandatory if nuclear power is gone. Go for it.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7 Thankfulness for understanding. You are hereby invited to Intelligent Union. Because you understanding this also suggests beginning to organise an intelligent politics to solve the problem or just be part of the end...and maybe eat or be eaten by your neighbour.
martinvaxjo 6 months ago
@martinvaxjo I am sure I will help solve the problem. Dynamic systems usually seem more obvious to me because the larger dimensions of structure fit in my mind easily.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
The US economy had near death experiences numerous times, e.g. in the 80’s the Japanese tried to save US economy by buying the US debts and just throwing money at Americans such as buying the Rockefeller Buildings in New York at inflated price or purchased a Van Gogh painting for $150 million, etc. But that wasn’t enough to brink US economy out of recession.
chapsroc 6 months ago
The economist Milton Friedman who an economic adviser to Ronald Reagan, had studied consumerism and price stability, knew that US economy had already priced itself out of competition. US was desperately in need of some form of “structural price adjustment”, he didn’t want to admit that his “free market” bullshits didn’t work, so he turned to China’s slave workers “market”.
chapsroc 6 months ago
If US economy collapse, USSR would have an upper hand over the US and W. Europe if it wasn't Reagan went crawling to China in the 80's begging for helps in two fronts military alliance and subsidies for US economy with Chinese slave labors and cheap consumer goods to enable the US to focus on building hi-tech weapons.
chapsroc 6 months ago
During the 80’s, Milton actually went to China several times and gave lectures to the top Chinese communist party top echelon on “free market” economy with the blessing of Deng Xiaoping. Actually Reagan could have sent a monkey and Deng would have said “OK”, because Deng realized USSR was more dangerous than the US at the time. You see both US and USSR threaten to nuke China five or six times, Soviet actually contacted the Americans and tried to get Americans to join them nuke China.
chapsroc 6 months ago
While the “rich monkeys” may want to celebrate capitalism over communism in China, I see it as only a short term chess game, and the Americans are actually losing grounds worldwide at the moment, economic collapse is the just the beginning of that down fall.
THE U.S. IS A DANGEROUS WOUNDED ANIMALS, WE’RE NOW THAT MUCH CLSOER TO A NUCLEAR WAR…
chapsroc 6 months ago
One of the Laws of Social Cycles is : The Acquisitive class lacks moral aptitude (i.e. arrogant assholes), they always were defeated by warriors class. Reasons will not work with these animals, e.g. Nazism in Germany, communism in USSR, China, Cambodia, N.Korea, etc. AND TODAY THE ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT ALSO CONCLUDED THAT REASONS WILL NOT WORKED WITH THIS ACQUISITIVE CLASS ANIMALS.
chapsroc 6 months ago
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ytgv3fc7 wrote: "Rich people are better: that's why they're rich. Nature does the same: those with better food, better strength, better hunting skill, better immunities get better mates. Our system today is the best ever & I love it."
My answer to that is :
If only were the case that Marxism/communism would kill only the rich (or asshole like ytgv3fc7) and leave the rest of people alone, it would have been THE BEST EVER SYSTEM & I'D LOVE IT!
chapsroc 6 months ago
The Jewish ideology/money paradigm guy is a morally bankrupted hypocritically idiot who said shits like " the poor are like animals and plants" who occupy the lower status of the food chain as "nature intended". "Food chain" or "higher cause" are all the same shits that originally came out of a Greek square-headed named Aristotle's ass and further developed by some German square-headed into what is now known as "teleology" or ideology of "final cause", THE ROOT OF TOTALITARIANISM.
chapsroc 6 months ago
To The Zeitgeit Movement gangs (RBE and "Venus Project" bunch), the "ytgv3fc7" capitalist-is-better-evil-shit guy - both of you are square-headed idiots!
Basically it's Germany (actually Jewish -- Karl Marx shits) ideologies vs British (actually Jewish-- Karl Poppers shits) ideologies. TZM is essentially a rehash of Marxism, where as Marxism is a "proletariat" dictatorship (i.e. the Communist Party dictatorship), TZM is an "engineering" class dictatorship
chapsroc 6 months ago
@chapsroc I'm the most genius person you'll ever talk to in your entire life.
Capitalism flat out is nothing more than ownership & trade. What you see before you is FASCISM and FRAUD. Capitalism has not failed: it has been turned off. You're a fucking racist idiot.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7 , you have mental disease, too stupid for me to even spit on your face, the very scumbag-kind arrogance that drove people to pick up arms, as in revolutions. Since armed conflicts killed worse than disease, YOU'RE DISEASE OF THE WORSE KIND!
chapsroc 6 months ago
Capitalism has been doomed since the day of it's conception, just like monarchies,communism and all other systems that are not for the common good. A Resource Based Economy is probably the next step. We need something that manages our resources not deplete it at an alarming rate. The problem is that humans don't live long enough and the ones fucking the planet are old and know they're not going to be around to see the result of their destruction!
boumar19721972 6 months ago
Marx asked the right questions, but came with the wrong answers.
DrakeIcn 6 months ago
The Koch brothers are pure evil.
wjfox2006 6 months ago
You would think these two have never read any history. When capitalism goes into crisis, either fascism or socialism will emerge, usually both competing for a time, until one reigns supreme. Fascism starts as a middle class ideology, as the middle class is pushed into the lower classes, and then is used by the owning class to create a mass movement for military conquest and martial law. If socialism wins, democracy is extended from politics to economics.
StillReadingClassics 6 months ago
Unionism is miniaturized Marxism, and Marx was full of shits, both unions and communism were easily defeated by the acquisitive class (it’s a fact.) No group can lord over or dominate the other group for long, thus all political economy system will failed. Learn to leave people alone, then people will learn to organize themselves organically and you will live freely; Try to dictate people, you’ll die in endless cycles of struggles.
chapsroc 6 months ago
Marx was dead wrong, so were all of Western “thinkers” from Plato “philosophy-king” to Marxism, to Karl Popper “liberal democracy” cum “Open Society”(in reality Popper was an acquisitive class polemist.) Every one of them honed their polemics for the supremacy of one of four human types: warriors, intellectuals, acquisitors and labored. Warriors are disciplined but can’t run the country; Intellectuals are most corruptible; acquisitors lack moral aptitudes; Laborers can’t organize themselves
chapsroc 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
Can you explain how transition from ownership to access is theft, if this all is VOLUNTARY?
Nothing will take your stuff, if you need them. You will have ACCESS to them.
And where is problem, with access? Does you ALWAYS need car, books and etc.?
Access means you GETTING when you NEED, and RETURN when you don't need. Does is so hard to understand that? Ownership is wasteful concept, you holding stuff, when you no need them: car is used on average for 0,5 per day.
liutasx 6 months ago
@liutasx I can explain completely: transition is not voluntary. No one ever voluntarily gives up all ownership of all future things & current things. Ever. It is death to do so: life depends on using those owned things like food, water, bed, home. No person voluntarily gives this up so the only way you get them is INVOLUNTARY. If I have the ACCESS that I NEED TO SURVIVE than I have 100% ownership precisely as I do now which means no need for Venus Project.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
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@liutasx "Access means you GETTING when you NEED, and RETURN when you don't need"
WRONG.
Only I can decide when I do not need but in venus project I have no such power. The anti-scientific assumption is that a central controller (who is not in any way scientific but 100% claims to be) will decide that only I can NOT decide my own need and will decide FOR ME (force). 100% ownership/access is efficient. 99% is wasteful.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx there's something called LOGISTICS and something else called OVERHEAD. As a programmer I understand very well the costs of organization based on time-complexity & access-lags to devices and/or networks. This is only made worse by the TRANSPORT of heavy masses for energy, commodities & finished products in Venus Project. The overhead is so high it's less efficient than 100% ownership by each person/user/group. I need a car 100% of the day, not 0.5. You miscalculated.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx This is where the central CALCULATION problem fails for all central-planners (be it socialist or concentrated monopoly capitalism): a central controller always fails to calculate the real % need or valuation/gain or survival/failure modes for all Always. Fail to calculate. It is scientifically proven you must fail because you refuse the data & the data is too vast to collect & use faster than I can collect & use it by myself. You can't ever prove to me I use a car less than 100%
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx these are my usage conditions for a car:
mode 1: refueling, not moving due to the nature of filling stations
mode 2: moving, not re-fueling due to the nature of filling stations
mode 3: ready: enabling immediate use of the car in less than 5 seconds
mode 4: FAILURE mode: any problem with parts or fuel causing more than 5 seconds to use the car
NOW that's the SCIENTIFIC analysis: you can't calculate a 50% non-usage for me because there isn't one
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
First I say that car is inefficient method for transportation. (Our technical reality part 4)
In RBE will be much more efficient methods of transportation: cyclical conveyers, maglev trains. Car will be used where you can’t get with other machines. Usage of car will drop dramatically compare with current usage.
In RBE you don’t need to hurry somewhere like you need now and you don’t need to have car at hand.
Does for you will sufficient if you need to wait car 1 min. till it arrives?
liutasx 6 months ago
@liutasx THE ANALYSIS: if there is a mode5 in which I do not own the car and do have less than 5 seconds of lag to get to the car, what makes this possible?
Can matter travel faster than the speed of light to deliver me another car?
Can machines self-assemble fast enough to build me a car on the spot?
Can another person with my (former/recent) car return it within 5 seconds?
Experiment & report the results.
GUESS WHAT: you can't move matter that fast. 100% ownership is 100% efficient.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
We don't need to take stuff of other peoples, but we need enough support to move in RBE. It's so simple. In addition to this transition not will happen in night, it will be gradually.
Money is needed, where scarcity of resources exists, and abundance created by technology will make money obsolete.
Central planned system has worked and work successful e.g. Project Cybersyn, Fedex.
Calculation problem was showed by socialists is flawed, irrelevant and don’t exist (calculation in kind).
liutasx 6 months ago
@liutasx you won't get anyone giving up their stuff so that only leaves taking. If you get no taking & no giving, and that's how it's going to be, your Venus Project (which is not RBE at all) has nothing. This transition will NEVER happen in a non-violent manner. It is against human nature to kill one's self to serve your mysterious future of machines yet this suicide is mandatory to get any resources to build it. Abundance CAN'T be created by technology. Scarcity IS HARD-CODED into nature.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
I will repeat one more time - we no need people's stuff, only SUPPORT and understanding. People that SUPPORT and understand, will give their time and property to build RBE. It's so hard to understand?
There is no such thing like human nature, that exist is human behavior, which fully determine by environment.
Your proposition is only flannel, without support. Can based your proposition on facts, that "Abundance CAN'T be created by technology" and "Scarcity IS HARD-CODED into nature."?
liutasx 6 months ago
@liutasx and I will repeat one more time: Venus Project is predicated on STUFF, the central control of PHYSICAL STUFF, GLOBAL RESOURCES like food, land & water, not "support". Central control of my ACCESS to physical STUFF, so you're lying and proven lying. RBE is what I said it is; zeitgeist-venus fake-RBE is taking physical stuff to control it. Your version of RBE is theft & central control. It's hard to be lied to: not to understand. There is ONLY human nature, 0% environment.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx I did use facts: you need to create infinite matter, using technology, to abolish scarcity. Scarcity is a function of population (exponential growth) vs finite matter (zero growth). You can't create infinite matter so you lose. Period. Done. Proven. Facts only. No opinion. Scarcity is FINITE LIMITED EXISTENCE, the HARD CODED CARVED IN STONE PROVEN FACT OF ALL NATURE IN ALL HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx I am both a socialist AND a capitalist: the calculation problem has never been flawed. It is this simple: I value my needs & resources according to my immediate-changing environment and you CAN NOT (did not) calculate it right. You assumed (mistakenly) and I corrected you (car: specific examples). It does exist at all times. Your notions are fraudulent.
NOW back to your magical technology:
can you create matter from empty void?
Can you create energy from nothing?
These REQUIREMENTS
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
Your proposition is flawed. Here's why:
You confuse needs and wants, basic needs never change (food and water). Your choice of wants is restricted, by that is available.
That mean:
Needs can be calculated.
Wants can be calculated, because choices are restricted. Restriction enable to calculate wants through statistics. Additional things can be manufactured on demand (3D printing).
How you determine void and nothing (if no matter, when void have fields energy)?
liutasx 6 months ago
@liutasx I confuse no such thing as needs and wants. I refer to needs only. I did not make any reference to wants. Needs can not be calculated: every need is unique because every body is unique, every disease is unique, every environment is unique and needs are subject to INTERFACE. Like travel through lakes, roads, snow, tropics, or seeking food where a source of say, oranges is located ONLY in certain global locales. Statistics can't do as you demand: ever.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
We can calculate how much kcal you need depend on work you are doing, age, height and weight, we also know how much we need proteins, fats, carbohydrates, vitamins and minerals.
Body needs is now calculable, because needs depends on limited variables.
Weak up of your imaginable world and come to reality, and learn biology, because application of computer science to nature is very limited and restricted.
liutasx 6 months ago
@liutasx You can't calculate the work I'll be doing or at what time or what interfering patterns will decide for me. I'm the one who gets that information fastest and I can't calculate it all. I get information at a rate where I need to act on it within seconds or minutes & I can't wait for a central controller to decide for me what's most efficient. It won't be right at that moment, it will be lagged. Then you have no idea what is my health, dietary needs, I will know them first & fastest
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
I don't need to calculate your or other needs.
That in need to know population needs, and that can be calculated using statistics.
Central controller function is not decide for you, but effectively distribute and track resources, considering population needs.
liutasx 6 months ago
@liutasx I SAY YOU DO. You say you don't need to know my needs while I say you will kill me if you don't know my needs. That's the essence of the TOTAL FAILURE of Zeitgeist, venus project & all central control. Denial of reality at the core. No one can know better than me what will fail for me. Ever. Distro+Tracking resources is 100% control & decision FOR ME. My decisions ONLY are tracking+distribution control FOR MYSELF. They are nothing else.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx Summing it up: #1 you deny the reality of computation #2 you deny the reality of multi-dimensional event-space #3 you deny that my needs are known to me best of all #4 you deny that approximations are unacceptable #5 you deny anything that doesn't fit your assumptions & limitations #6 using all these assumptions & denial is 100% rejection of the scientific method.
This is why Venus/Zeitgeist/Centralization always fails.
I AM a socialist but not YOUR KIND of socialist.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx in core essence capitalism works because it is the most efficient calculation solution: negative feedback at all levels of collectives induces survival mechanisms for cells, a person, a family, a business, a city, and perhaps even nations (we'll see: nations seem to dissolve frequently so perhaps not). SOCIALISM with NO CENTRALIZATION works by collectively grouping people to use the best of what's available for long-term survival: including capitalistic traits & materials.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx the only essence missing in the combination of capitalism & socialism is an IMMUNE SYSTEM. A grid of unquestionable force, highly adaptive, constantly perceptive, routing out invaders/fraud. Frauds mimic useful products, people & data/information to steal/destroy, like a virus invades the body. Interfacing between Socialism & Capitalism we need this anti-fraud grid reporting everything too quickly to be stopped so WE can take action to stop errors immediately. INCLUDING SELF-DECEPTION
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx As it turns out your approach is one of the errors to be corrected. Self-deception is still fraud. Any source of fraud is a problem. An adaptive system will measure, not assume, the damage & report, not calculate, the problems so that every person and machine has the chance to act as they each see fit. Some need take no action which reduces total computation (which is something no central controller can know). That's why immune systems also have no central controllers.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx I'd like to know just what you think is a part of life's decisions for one's survival & even enjoyment once survival is assured that is NOT the tracking & distribution of resources. Every meal, every nutrient, every concept, every idea, every product, every machine, everything is one of those things. All of them are population needs. all of them are destroyed when you interfere a central controller in the middle, lagging everything & serving wrong/no data/products/food repeatedly
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx ah right, FRAUD, that's your solution. It's not sufficient to put everyone on Human Kibble but that's what your Scientific (not) central controller would do. It's not survivable to force everyone to the same physical workouts to live, because of higher abilities for some & disabilities for others, but if you stick to your fraud, which you should immediately dismiss, you'll FORCE everyone to live to the same conditions who CAN'T POSSIBLY. CALCULATION PROBLEM proved yet again 100%
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx The application of computer science to nature is effectively unlimited. Nature is but another form of computer. The variables are not limited but the over-all metastructure of feeding input instructions & acting on them is part of us (ribosomes, DNA). So literally you can't calculate any of the protein or carb needs for anyone around me, and me, without me spending so much time updating you/central controller that I can't do any work/live because I'm updating you.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
Organism is biochemical machine, based biochemical calculator.
That calculator have radically different working principle, and much more complex than electronic computers. And if you think you can apply electronic computer working principle to biochemical calculator, you're really need to learn much more about biology.
And explain why amount of variables is unlimited, in biological terms?
Learn biology, because you don't understand that talking about.
liutasx 6 months ago
@liutasx WRONG. A computer is not a calculator. Execution of instructions is not just math. It's connectivity, forces, sequences, branching, dynamic motion pre-set by the sequence & massive simultaneous execution in every ribosome. So until you can replicate every cell & every interface of every cell to another cell AND to the outside world, from your central computers, for all living things, you can't have a Central "scientific" controller. That's why it's unlimited.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx For each possible number of cells, which is a quadrillion or so per person, for each person, for each situation that person will be in for the future (for the entire life-span of organism), for each interaction between each such cell you must now calculate the precise needs with a delay of no more than 1 nanosecond. If you make a mistake you compound errors that kill organisms, cells, people or move things to the wrong places. That's why central control fails. CALCULATION PROBLEM
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx Biology, which I know far better than you do, is in fact the core proof of why the calculation problem is 100% proven and the dismissal of it is 100% fraud.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx so I hope I have clarified: there is no way you can predict everything I need at a given moment without BEING me. I can predict most of my needs but not all, because the future changes and my needs are dictated by my knowing short spurts of my future & my most serious past-factors for health & learning. You can't store all that data in any computer nor retrieve future-data from anywhere. I alone can get that future based on my own experience & knowledge.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
I don't see a problem if i can't precisely calculate your need, but i can calculate that approximately and difference will be very small. One person need more, another less, but in average is constant.
We don't need to know every person need, to calculate population needs, because average is constant.
And future don't change average.
liutasx 6 months ago
@liutasx I just gave you the limits: 5 seconds for car, and you'll seen in a few minutes, 1 nanosecond for cellular chemistry. You can't hit those limits. You need magical technology which can't exist to even attempt it & storage capacity for computation exceeding all particles on Earth just for the computer. You can't approximate anything or you kill things. Approximations are not acceptable or functional. You must have every person's need at all times for all futures or you fail.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx This is where you fail. The future changes averages, changes dynamic structure, changes everything. Your fundamental assumptions are anti-reality, again, the core essence of the now 5 times proven calculation problem. You can't store enough data & compute fast enough to get any answers right for more than 1 person in 1 possible future. yet for a central-controlled society you need every possible future for every combination of people or you Fail. Averages are NEVER constant.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx The reason averages are never constant is because a constant average is a function of a linear metric. This is not a linear metric, this is the computation of connective multi-dimensional structures, starting with cellular chemistry, ending with the macro-structure of event-space connecting groups of persons+machines from past to future. Completely non-linear for which the concept of "average" is itself an impossibility. What's the "average" structure of a bridge? An engine? NONE.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx There is but one single system you could design that would "meet the needs of many" and that is to design a system for one type of person and let all the others suffer. Then if you had enough resources, and you won't, you could add one more type of person, and for every such system you'll have gigantic logistical lags as I mentioned earlier, causing massive waste-failures. Many would die, be over-worked, or waiting forever to get simple things like a car ride or a meal.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
Here is no lag or little in Fedex delivery system, and in project Cybersyn 200 trucks deliver food to Santiago, then 40000 was on strike.
liutasx 6 months ago
@liutasx As it happens the way DNA is fed into a ribosome to produce RNA is a Turing Machine. Nature IS computer science & vice versa.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx as a computer programmer I am VERY AWARE of 3-D printing and the genetic programming that is most efficient for selecting new designs. You can't at any time pre-plan an entire society like this: every PERSON lives in a unique SPACE AND TIME and every NEED dictated by the LOCALE is unique. The computations you require exceed all capacity of knowledge of the entire history of the future of Earth. You can't store/compute them by any means, especially statistics.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
How i have said, needs is calculable, because needs is depended on limited factors. Although every person live in unique environment, but hes/shes needs is determine by SAME LIMITED factors. This easy to calculate, for every person on Earth.
liutasx 6 months ago
@liutasx it is for this primary reason, the calculation problem we have now twice proven is a fact and law and not a theory and not disproven or flawed, not in any shape or form a question of wants, that survival itself depends on getting this calculation right. Every quarantine, hospital, community, farming region, industrial complex, all of them are unique and on baseline needs ONLY are so unique that they do not resemble each other even slightly. EVERY attempt will yield wrong answers.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
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@liutasx "How you determine void and nothing (if no matter, when void have fields energy)?"
no energy you can detect. There's theoretical calculations of higher energy but nothing you can determine by any physical instrument, nothing you can use.And even if you could turn even more void-space into matter and/or energy you'd run out of space for that matter+energy. The constrained locality, the distance-radius, is itself finite. No matter what you hit the wall of being finite. SCARCITY, the fact
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
Your definition of void is not applicable in this universe, because where is no place in universe, that have no energy. That mean you definition of scarcity and abundance is invalid.
Sometime examine your theory in real world, does it have support from existing facts, and only after verification think further.
liutasx 6 months ago
@liutasx My definition of void doesn't exist; I'm using the only definition of void that has ever been known to modern science. There is a void and in it no energy you can extract by any technological means. There is space which is not matter & is not energy which you can not convert to matter or energy thereby removing the space. Your definitions are invalid therefore mine are fact. Examine the true factual real world as I have, and 100% I am factual here, or you are devoid of any utility.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
Definition which define non existing thing, is no definition at all. And can you give source that you found this definition? And you probably forget mass can be converted into energy and vise versa E=mc^2.
liutasx 6 months ago
@liutasx I forgot nothing. I said EMPTY SPACE. You can't turn empty space into matter or energy so no matter your conversions of matter TO energy this is NEW and additional: so that space itself becomes MATTER OR ENERGY but the space itself is removed. Without this technology you can't have a Venus Project, Zeitgeist or "abundance".
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx these REQUIREMENTS that you make matter and energy from EMPTY VOID SPACE are the ONLY possible technologies that can create abundance. If you fail to create either then you fail to create abundance. No other technology can create abundance. SCARCITY is having finite matter, finite energy and a finite life span. These core nature traits are not defeatable by any technology ever.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
How you determine abundance and scarcity?
liutasx 6 months ago
@liutasx Abundance + scarcity, the calculation: observe the resources in use. Observe the excess population having too little. Observe there is no excess of a given resource per population unit. Scarcity is thereby proven. Observe full consumption without loss, detriment, starvation, to any population unit, observe excess resources not consumed: abundance is proven. That is how you measure it.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx I said 5 seconds or less for a car. It would be just like delivery times for meals. It would be massive shipments of food timing right for all weather emergencies and excess/shortages in crops to supply groceries in mass that's not ready-made delivery.
FedEx can't do that. NO central organization can do all that.
Calculation problem is shown to be 100% valid & I've re-proven it to you 3 times now.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
Learn biology, because you don't know how biochemical machinery works. You see in biology that you want to see, and use elements that understand and support that you want to think, but in reality elements is only part of image, and image is different, than you approximate from part of elements.
How Fedex can't do, that is central planned system, if it work, it's a fact. Does you are ignoring facts?
Can you show that Fedex don't work? And how about Project Cybersyn?
liutasx 6 months ago
@liutasx It is you that needs to learn biology. I have already proven many times over that my knowledge exceeds yours on this topic, as with computers, as with money, as with resources. You are behind on all these counts. I can prove FedEx doesn't work for me: it can't deliver my groceries or meals in the required time frame of no more than 20 minutes. They know they can't do this so they refuse to enter this business arena. Approximation=death. Precision is required. You're ignoring all facts.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@liutasx "And how about Project Cybersyn" -> failure
That's why it was destroyed. It did more damage to workers than was ever justified by its existence so it was destroyed as soon as possible. No such use of technology is valid, morally good, or worth keeping. I'd destroy it too. Good on them. The destruction of wages using this machine starved people and so it became a tool of evil just like Zeitgeist is.
ytgv3fc7 6 months ago
@ytgv3fc7
Human organism not fulfill every cells needs every nanosecond, and cell not die e.g. without oxygen neurons can live till 5 min. and etc.
And when you talking that if every need will not fulfill immediately, system will crash or organism will die, you have example that disprove that - your body, which is central planned system, with feedback from smaller units - cells e.g. lungs is central unit for oxygen, smaller units is other cells.
Your body also disprove calculation problem.
liutasx