Actually, both were a homage/ripoff of Edgar Rice Burroughs' Barsoom series. Dune was supposed to be the Barsoom books written more for adults, and Star Wars was supposed to be Dune with all the Barsoom action and adventure put back in
Apart from the fact that Dune was released in 1984 and Starwars was released in 1977, I can see how water tight your argument is. Did you really mean, was Dune a ripoff of Starwars.
The plotline of dune is a royal family who came to manage the spice to be betrayed by the harkonnen , then to rally the fremen and overthrow the empire and then chiclder of dune etc. Doesnt even resemble star wars. dont compare art with star wars ffs
"Dune makes Star Wars look childish at best"--quote from a friend who once went to a Halloween party dressed as Anakin. Is Star Wars a rip off??? Where else could Lucas have got those ideas. And furthermore Dune was published in the late 60's. At least 10 years before Star Wars.
@ThePorphyrian That is actually a slip. Originally the name was (if I remember correctly) Tanidius Nerus, then Brian Herbert/Anderson, when they wrote their background story, made it R.M. Gaius Helen Mohiam. F. Herbert never made that connection, and there are a few discrepancies between Frank and his son's accounts of certain events. I think his son didn't read his father's material as carefully as he should!
Characters in Dune, Star Wars and many other stories are archetypes. The hero who isn't prepared when the story opens, the mentor who is eventually separated from the hero, the master villain who must be defeated, obstacles the hero must conquer without his mentor. I prefer the Dune universe to Star Wars due to its depth but I don't think any one creator of any sci fi concept can claim complete ownership of archetypes.
Anakin brought balance to the force, not Luke. The prophecy was misinterpreted. Anakin, after becoming Darth Vader hunted down and killed all the Jedi except the two in hiding, Yoda and Ben -- Thus balancing the force between light and dark... two sith, and two jedi. Luke didn't finish his father's work, he redeemed his soul, and destroyed the Sith, re-unbalancing the force on the side of light.
george lucas rips off a ton of shit in star wars...in the phantom menace that silver shp that they fly around is a rip off of a GI JOE plane...the themes are hugely generic...the jedi being angels..the sith being demons...he threw in dew back lizards for the storm troopers right after jurassic park's popularity
@human0un dew back lizards appeared in A New Hope when Star Wars was originally released. They did not move back they just stood in the background until computer animation technology came around.
Isnt there a story about Chi energy ('The Man With A Thousand Faces' I think its called.) Yin & Yang = Light & Dark sides of the force. Tells the story of a man being reincarnated again & again into a family at war until he sees things from every point of view. Throw in some special FX and there you go. What I really want to see is an Iain M Banks Culture story on the big screen.
much more of a rip off of the wizard of oz than dune, with r2d2 as the tin man, the other robot as the cowardly lion, chewbacca as the straw man, darth vader the witch, yoda the wizard, need I go on.
At the risk of sounding pedantic Dune, Star Wars, and many many other science fiction classics can trace their roots back to EE 'Doc' Smith's classic Lensmen series of books. Written and published around 1937 they're still in print and well worth the read. They might seem a bit dated to the post star trek generation but don't forget they were here first,
I'll agree that both movies are similar, but of course they are. They're both sci-fi. The son following the father, the giant creatures, the twins... None of these authors/filmmakers can be credited with the creation of these concepts.
Lucas simply found, in my opinion, a better way to mix a very old set of variables. Bravo to him.
from what i recall, baron harkonnen is the grandfather of paul, not the uncle.... i may be wrong, i will check this out, but i'm alomst 95% sure of this.....
Star Wars is a "rip-off" of many films and books, meaning that it uses a lot of standard elements both from science fiction and fantasy. Just take the theme of a wise old man handing the youthful hero/prince a sword and sending him onto a quest. However, I cannot see a really close connection to Dune, many elements you mention are either really far fetched or quite irrelevant to the story.
While many aspects of Tatooine are reminiscent of Arakkis, and I do not doubt that Dune had some influence of Lucas, a lot of the other things listed here are pretty standard archetypes and tropes found throughout SF and literature more widely.
This video's arguments are pretty weak, IMHO. You could make the same sorts of superficial comparisons between most any movies -- look, Lawrence of Arabia is set in a desert. Rip off of Dune! Look, Twelve O'Clock High has flying planes just like Dune -- rip off! Look, The Robe has a (Roman) Emperor and Dune has an Emperor. Another rip off!
Of course, all those examples are from movies made BEFORE Dune was written. I guess that means Dune was a rip off of them (sarcasm).
@Ranillon Well actually....Frank Herbert studied history before writting Dune and he used a lot of historical parallels. Essentially he used events in our past and disguised them as a sci fi narrative. Many people say Dune is a re-telling of Lawrence of Arabia. The fall of the Imperium (it's excesses, it's decadence) is taken right out of "The Fall of the Roman Empire." But it's pretty well known that Lucas borrowed a lot of material from Dune. It's evident more when you read early drafts ofSW
@azbacnikorange Where is your evidence beyond maybe reading somthing in some indistinct "early drafts"? That fact that part of Star Wars was set in a desert or that people farmed water is NOT by itself a steal from Dune. You'd need something like a direct take-off of Spice or some Fremen who go on to be the warriors of the good guys (not merely some wandering Sand People), and so forth. You need more than standard desert and/or sci-fi tropes to accuse Lucas of "borrowing".
@Ranillon The evidence presents itself to someone who has both watched SW and read Dune. A lot of the borrowed elements are subdued but this is a necessity because a "direct take-off" as you put it is called plagarism lol. Lucas has acknowledged being a fan of Dune. And some these direct take-offs are pretty evident in early drafts which are found on the internet. Borrowing or paying homage to a beloved story isn't wrong and it's nothing warranting an accusation.
@mindarinas Which is a rip off of many earlier stories and legends. Again, thinking that Dune is the some ultimate source of all these ideas is just crazy. Do some research.
@mindarinas LotR for example. It has wizards knowing deep knowledge that gvies them influence over others. Even earlier, the stories of the Brothers Grimm (which themselves were based on even older stories). "Magic" has been around since the dawn of humanity. If Star Wars "stole" the idea then it was merely the latest theft of an idea that goes back millinnium.
@mindarinas No, the CONCEPT of Jabba came out in the original story, but lack of technology at the time made it imposible to do the concept right so they waited until RotJ to use him.
@mindarinas Just read up on the development of Star Wars. They actually wrote and filmed the scene where Jabba showed up (which is why they could add it into later additions), but at first with just a big guy playing Jabba. However Lucas dropped it when he saw that using a humanoid just didn;'t fit with the more monstrous, slug like creature he had in mind, but at the time the the technology wasn't good enought. Once it was, it was added for the later addtions
@mindarinas A moving puppet (and not just the tub of lard version we saw in RotJ) was hard to do realistically before good animation, so Lucas just ended up cutting the scene. He had, however, wanted to use something like Jabba early on.
Lucas originally wanted to to put a version of Flash Gordon (that he saw and loved as a kid) on film, but he could not secure the rights, so, he made his own "universe". As for Jabba being a rip off of the sandworms of Dune, I say Nah, no mention that the Hutt/Huttese species is indigenous to Tatooine as the worms are to Arrakis. Btw, Luke Skywalker's plot is closer to King Arthur's story, and Merlin is akin to Obi-Wan Kenobi as teacher
Star Wars is definitely influenced by dune, no question. "Spice" mines of Kessel is a dead give away to this fact. However, Star wars was influenced by lots of other literary sources as well, including but not limited to Star Trek (proton/photon torpedos), "Birth of a Nation" (Evil army in white), and the films of Akira Kurasawa like "The Hidden Fortress". George Lucas has never denied being influenced by these and other sources, and he is actually more blatant in references in the new films.
Star Wars never will be as good as dune, dune combines a lot of stuff such religion, culture, war, politics,paranormal ,technology... to make a really unique history.
SW is just "marketing", like all things in this epoch.
LOL..its a joke right? Starwar is pretty staight forward bad guy/good guy its got my love. Dune is complexer in that well take the Bebe Gesserit are somewhat evil and good. Leto II is godlike in that he see the future and changes it the follow the "golden path" the end justifys the means super tyrant. What I see is that they are both using tried and true storyline plots of drama. You could relate them both back to shakespeare if you tried hard enought. Oh Starwars had a better ending :)
How should I answer your question, hmmmmmmmmmmm? Dilemma...... I THINK NOT. DUNE ROCKS AND STAR BORES IS A DERIVATIVE AND CORNY FRANCHISE W/FANBOY DOOFUS HUMOR & LAME ACTION. Boring beyond belief. I won't even go into the horrid "prequels" as the thought of Jar-Jar Binks has been known to cause instantanious human combustion and I have some fun things to do tomorrow. fTHAT IS ALL.
You've got a good point. Here's my followup question: Is there a way to transplant the acotrs from Dune 1984 and give them the script and direction from the Sci-Fi Miniseries so we can get one competent move that covers Dune?
@Direkin: Actually I have read the entire original Dune series all the way through to Chapterhouse Dune. Also, all of the members of the Dune "Houses" were descended from Earthlings who colonized the old Empire. Sorry, if you want to interpret the phrase "advanced technology" differently, but I think you understood my point clearly.
I wondered the same thing after seeing the original Dune movie back in 1984. However, while there some very obvious similarities I think that Star Wars is different enough from Dune to not be a deliberate ripoff. The biggest difference of course is that the Star Wars universe is full of (Issac Isamov like) droids. The Dune universe of course has very little advanced technology at all. And then there are the lack of Aliens in Dune?
@Ciresw "The Dune universe of course has very little advanced technology at all" You haven't read any of the books have you? There's plenty of advanced technology in them; what they don't have are "clever machines" and other robots since they were banned after the Butlerian Jihad. True, Dune doesn't have "rubber forehead" aliens, but they do have Houses, each so distinct they may as well be considered alien to each other.
I wondered the same thing after seeing the original Dune movie back in 1984. However, while there some very obvious similarities I think that Star Wars is different enough from Dune to not be a deliberate ripoff. The biggest difference of course is thatt the Star Wars universe is full of (Issac Isamov like) droids. The Dune universe of course has very little advanced technology at all. And then there are the lack of Aliens in Dune?
These conversations are ridiculous, nobody in any field of art comes up with all their ideas purely on their own. Everybody borrows from somebody because everything has been done. The key is borrowing ideas, then adding your own originality to make it your own, like Lucas did. Even Asimov and Herbert, while very innovative, drew inspiration from somewhere.
@misterbarbister yeah, but internet is still full of top "star wars rip offs" and I am your father twist is praised while I am your grandfather is forgoten. Dune is just to forgoten compared to star wars
Dude some of your points are ridiculous. Father and son? So then I'm guessing the film The Road borrows from both Dune and Star Wars because it has a father and a son. Religious organization? Yeah which is present almost everywhere. Empires have soldiers, that's usually how it works. You know like the Roman Empire whos army was also the best in the world. And the sandcrawlers are called sandcrawlers cause they crawl... on sand.
Nah. Though there are some points of similarity between the two, to say that Star Wars is a rip-off of Dune is a stretch.
And the scene in that dumb Sci-Fi Channel Dune with the worm was a stupid scene that wasn't in the book or in Lynch's superior film.
Likewise making Yoda such a kind of "great fighter" in those abominable prequels was similarly dumb. "Wars not make one great!", remember? He didn't even train Luke in sabre-use.
So those two points are hardly good for comparison either.
At least Dune is for adults with its adult themes not a silly cgi character called Ja Ja Blinks. If lucas did Dune we sould have to have acute kid, silly characters in the prequel and a sistehoof of men
The Baron Harkonnen is not Paul's uncle, he's Paul's grandfather.
Also Leto was not evil. If you read and understand the books, he was acting to save the human race, his tyranny was the only way to bring about the Scattering and Secher Nbiw (The Golden Path) to ensure the continuity of the human race. Think of it as tough love.
this isn't convincing most stories that are in the same genre share plot similarities i dont think y have enough to say starwars ripped of dune despite me been a massive dune fan
this is a joke right? Don't get me wrong. Dune is the greatest sci-fi saga ever, but these "similarities" are huge stretches and the same could be said of any works of fiction in the same genre.
Star Wars was of course influenced by Dune, and also by LOTR (e.g. Endor is another name for Middle-Earth and Lucas said that was an homage to those books). But all of these stories draw from much older mythologies including the Norse sagas, Greek epics, Arthurian legend, etc. They contain archetypes and relate narratives that deeply resonate in the human mind and so of course there will be similarities. If Lucas is a thief, then pretty much every creator of sci-fi or fantasy is too.
Star Wars ripped alot of people off, but I think both the original Star Wars trilogy and the Dune movie were masterpieces when compared to the new star wars trilogy.
Sci Fi movies (any budget) suck now-a-days, they lost all the artistic edge and look like colorfull soap operas.
Also for all the people going on about Dune being the better story...
Well I've read both book series (for the most part both have quite a few books, Star Wars in particular since there are multiple authors.) I have also seen all the Star Wars movies and watched the Dune and Children of Dune miniseries.
Dune is complicated and fascinating yes...but it's not as entertaining as Star Wars. The characters are not as memorable, and the plot of Dune sometimes gets over complicated. It gets so wrap
Geroge Lucas is not that talented. Yes Star Wars was a great movie and so was "The Empire Strikes Back". I find all the other movies as bad as they come, no matter how inpressive the special effects were.
He managed to destroy a character such as Darth Vader... Anekin crying for his mum and prescient dreaming about Padme are pathetic.
Nabu is a rip off of "Dinotopia". G. Lucas, with alll his resources did not make good movies.
There are similarities in everything and it you decide to rate everything against something else that is similar you'll just end up ruining the film for yourself! The best way to look at Dune and Star Wars is that each is is more different than smiliar! :)
"We found sixteen points of identity between my novel and Star Wars."--from Eye, by Frank Herbert, on the problems involved in the making of the Dune film.
Seriously dude.. you are stretching really hard with this.All movies are like SW because there is a struggle against good and evil.Honestly, there are similarities in lots of movies but comparing Dune to Star Wars is far-fetched.They are Science Fiction and thats where the comparisons really end.Dune is a much more intricate and fascinating story that George Lucas could ever have come up with.Besides, Dune was published in 1965, 4 YEARS before Lucas even graduated film school.
Star wars stole from a lot of ideas to come up with something amazing. Its just like everything else. Music movies shows games. Its influences. If anything Lucas could of been influenced. However so much of Stars is about blending those influnces.
Every science fiction universe is inspired by Dune. Just like every fantasy universe is inspired by the Lord of the Rings. Of course, in both cases, the imitations can't be compared to the original.
Star Wars is ridiculously small compared to Dune. Dune's location is the entire universe. Star Wars' location is just one galaxy. Nothing else matters.
The Baron is the Grandfather of Paul. Shaddam IV inherited his throne he didn't rise to power. In the book "Eye" Frank Herbert mentions many things that were ripped off by SW and laments that people could believe it was him who stole the ideas.
Don't forget the Spices. Spice Melange is harvested on Dune, and is very important to the survival of humanity. And Han Solo got in trouble with Jabba for dumping Glitterstim spice into space, when he got pulled over by the Empire.
Lucas was more influenced by the Japanese movie The Hidden Fortress which has a desert. Everyone knows that the Jedi are based on Samurai. The other stuff is pretty valid though, I forgot Dune was made before Star Wars, makes me like it a little more!
It may have been inspired by Dune, but the connections which you note are very tenuous. You can form all kinds of connections between any two movies/books/franchises of the same genre. This does not, however, necessarily mean that one of the movies(etc.) is a "rip-off" of the other. In the case of Dune and Star Wars, both have many unique characteristics and represent unique works of cinema/literature.
No. DUNE is like the ancient, philosophical inspiration for several sci fi series. STAR WARS is an epic that is not a rip off of DUNE. Perhaps inspired, but not rip off. Star Wars is.. unique.. lightsabers... force... samurai like knight class of spiritual soldiers. DUNE is spiritual as well, yet places huge emphasis on the power of money, trade and politics. There is also the Bene Gesserit in DUNE (female super class).
Me too Herbert's books and SW movies are awesome! Dune is a very influential movie that is adored by filmmakers like James Cameron, Steven Spielberg, George Lucas, Guillermo Del Toro, Hayao Miyazaki and others. It also helped influenced Nausicaa, Avatar, The Dark Crystal, Serenity, The Matrix movies, Stargate, The Fifth Element, Dark City, Riddick and many more of similar nature.
Of course, Lucas is a fan of these books and he used them as inspiration for Star Wars movies and you'll see why they are similar. Luke Skywalker is basically Paul while Leia is like Alia, Stilgar is like Han Solo, The Baron is like Jabba The Hutt is like Darth Vader, Tattoonie being like Arrakis, Ewoks like Freman, etc. you get the idea even Luke is a Kwistaz Haderach.
You could claim any film is a rip-off any other film if your pointing out similarities like these. Also if your comparing SW to the film Dune and not the book than the main reason why its not a rip-off is that SW was released 7 years before Dune.
Dune has influenced many movies of the years did you know that? besides SW, Dune influenced Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (a.k.a. Warriors of the Wind), Avatar, Stargate, The Fifth Element, Dark City, The Dark Crystal, The Matrix movies and more?
It's a sad truth that there is no such thing as originality in any medium... if you look hard enough, you can find similarities in just about everything... but as for the similarities you're trying to point out, it just seems like you're reaching a bit...
@howtoplanaparty Yes, read Dune:house harkonnen, on one of the chapters where Prince Rhombur recieves his concubine, Tessia.Duke Leto is in there and we learn that Jessica is destined for duke leto, and..
BOOK SPOILER:Eventually, kesia, or whatever her name is (Prince Rhomburs sister) Gets Pregnant with Leto's baby.haha :P.
One should not ignore that they could also have been inspired by a common origin. The republic turning into an empire that eventually crumbles due to it's own decadence come from the history of the Roman empire. This probably inspired Asimov, Lucas and Herbert alike.
The desert planets provides a background for arabic inspired scenes like Mos Aisley and the court of Jabba. It also provides a background for the beduin/mujaheddin inspired fremen.
Well it is common knowledge that Lucas is a big fan of Dune and used those books as inspiration for his SW, even Avatar has similarities to Dune since Cameron adores these amazing books. I mean there are similarities including the Unorbtanium being like the spice, Na'vi being like Freman and that kind of thing.
You cant use comparisons from the movies.Dune was written in 1964, and the movie wasnt made until 1984, Return of the jedi(the last of the original trilogy) was made I believe in 82' or 83' and many of the nuances and visuals of the movie were not included in the book. Also any references from the latter books should be excluded since some were written by Herberts son after SW was made.Anyone could find connections between most science fiction stories, George Lucas is the man.
C3PO to R2D2' ...brought to the SPICE mines of Kessel and smashed into who knows what!"- Dunes main resource was 'the spice'... He ripped off... i mean was influenced by a ton of movies ,it looks like (including akira kurosawa)... the saga is a montage of the best scenes from the best movies. Nothing wrong with ripping-off... I mean being influenced by other films.. it makes for one great saga!
First of all.... Barron Vladimir Harkonnen is Pauls GRANDFATHER not Uncle.. second... orlithopters were not battle ready..... the sandcrawlers in SW are tankbased..
Most overlooked...Unlce Ben lied and told Luke his father was "a navigator on a spice frigate" now unless you believe that they were hauling cinnamon from planet to planet it is a complete. albeit bad and hackish, ripoff by Lucas
Okay, just as my personal opinion and no argument meant, the comments made in the video are rather... far-fetched. I love Dune. I love Star Wars. Trying to compare Jabba the Hutt to the Sandworm are like trying to compare Padme to the Emperor Shaddam. Seriously, that's having to go pretty far out there just to think its similar.
Oh, right. saying Lucas stole things from a movie that was made about 20/10 years later makes sense..
Don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE fan of the SW and Dune series, but most of your logics, make no sense. you could say Children of Dune ripped off from Starwars, that's actually what you're saying right there.
Lucas has on several occasions said unabashedly that he borrows elements from many stories/traditions that help to define the universe and the philosophy he wants to present.. Don't assume it's sinister on his part..
Also, one of the dead giveaways Lucas read Dune was the mentioning of "Spice Mines of Kastle" Like the other commentators said he steals from the best. Tractor beams and shields from "Star Trek"
Don't forget the "Lord of the Rings" influence. One ring to rule them all, one Death Star to rule them all.
George Lucas totally borrowed from Frank Herbert's Dune for Star Wars, and Herbert had been inspired by Lawrence of Arabia and Joseph Campbell, among others. There really are almost no truly original stories. For more info, see moongadget's analysis at "Star Wars Origins - Frank Herbert's Dune" (google it).
George lucas has always stolen his material from other sources. Lensman series had a bunch of their material stolen and I can believe dune did too. Episodes 1,2 and 3 prove george lucas doesn't really have a creative bone in his body.
Ehhh. While some of these are decent points; a lot of these could be matched to nearly every action movie out there.
I definitely think Lucas took some ideas from Dune, but most of the points in the video are very general and basic. If anything, the parts taken from Dune are the Desert Scenes, Spice, and the base-plot of religion and political companies having control of the Universe, as well as an Emperor.
Ehhh. While some of these are decent points; a lot of these could be matched to nearly every action movie out there.
I definitely think Lucas took some ideas from Dune, but most of the points in the video are very general and basic. If anything, the parts taken from Dune are the Desert Scenes, Spice, and the base-plot of religion and political companies having control of the Universe, as well as an Emperor.
Ehhh. While some of these are decent points; a lot of these could be matched to nearly every action movie out there.
I definitely think Lucas took some ideas from Dune, but most of the points in the video are very general and basic. If anything, the parts taken from Dune are the Desert Scenes, Spice, and the base-plot of religion and political companies having control of the Universe, as well as an Emperor.
Correction: The Baron was Paul's grandfather. And I wouldn't call Shaddam IV evil (or at least not as evil as Palpatine), but driven by the insecurity and fear of Leto I's growing popularity and the increasing power in his army that could overcome the Emperor's Sardukar
Frank Herbert's novel is much more sophisticated than Lucas's story, in fact they are not to be compared. However, SW movies (and I don't mean the childish prequels) are masterpieces (well, ROTJ is a masterpiece of puppeteering), whereas Dune is a mixtures of half-scenes. Even Chewbacca is a much more significant character than Beast Raban (that's because some of the actors in Dune preformed ridiculously, e.g. Paul Smith and Sylvana Mangano).
@expanding - I think it is most fair to compare the Dune novels and the SW movies, considering these are the intended forms of presentation. Wikipedia says Lucas had to prove Herbert could not file charges after making changes to make his script more different from Dune. All the evidence I need.
@JuliasCeasarlives - Since the first SW movie dates from 1977, I think it is not fair to include any Dune novel after Children of Dune in the equasion.
@expanding We Orthodox Herbetarians are talking about the 6 Dune novels do not that 80s failed interpretation. A lot of people can not get beyond the first pages of Dune beacause it's too complicated for them to understand.
@expanding Say whatever you want about Ewoks, but Jabba's puppets were some of the most messed up puppets ever created. His palace is still the creepiest place in the Star Wars movies.
George Lucas also stole the "Galactic Empire" from Isaac Asimov's Foundation trilogy, which features its own Galactic Empire, as well as the planet "Coruscant" which in turn was based off Asimov's city-planet Trantor.
Lucas borrows from everyone. At least he borrows from the best.
I used to tell my wife all the simialarities, while I read all 18-19 Dune books. It is a complete ripoff. It's actually comical at somepoints.
redc338able 2 weeks ago
Actually, both were a homage/ripoff of Edgar Rice Burroughs' Barsoom series. Dune was supposed to be the Barsoom books written more for adults, and Star Wars was supposed to be Dune with all the Barsoom action and adventure put back in
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Apart from the fact that Dune was released in 1984 and Starwars was released in 1977, I can see how water tight your argument is. Did you really mean, was Dune a ripoff of Starwars.
jaylagaaia 3 weeks ago
@jaylagaaia Dune was originially a book series started in 1965
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@jaylagaaia The Movie Dune was released in 84. The Story was written much earlier.
redc338able 2 weeks ago
@jaylagaaia Dune was written at least a decade before STAR WARS!
mojohelmet 1 week ago
The plotline of dune is a royal family who came to manage the spice to be betrayed by the harkonnen , then to rally the fremen and overthrow the empire and then chiclder of dune etc. Doesnt even resemble star wars. dont compare art with star wars ffs
thomasv6545 3 weeks ago
"Dune makes Star Wars look childish at best"--quote from a friend who once went to a Halloween party dressed as Anakin. Is Star Wars a rip off??? Where else could Lucas have got those ideas. And furthermore Dune was published in the late 60's. At least 10 years before Star Wars.
jrw1913 4 weeks ago
And the reverend mother is jesica's mother. Do your research
ThePorphyrian 1 month ago
@ThePorphyrian That is actually a slip. Originally the name was (if I remember correctly) Tanidius Nerus, then Brian Herbert/Anderson, when they wrote their background story, made it R.M. Gaius Helen Mohiam. F. Herbert never made that connection, and there are a few discrepancies between Frank and his son's accounts of certain events. I think his son didn't read his father's material as carefully as he should!
KDavis418 1 week ago
Harkonin is NOT paul's uncle. He is his grandfather. Jessica's father
ThePorphyrian 1 month ago
Characters in Dune, Star Wars and many other stories are archetypes. The hero who isn't prepared when the story opens, the mentor who is eventually separated from the hero, the master villain who must be defeated, obstacles the hero must conquer without his mentor. I prefer the Dune universe to Star Wars due to its depth but I don't think any one creator of any sci fi concept can claim complete ownership of archetypes.
PHATHCOX 1 month ago
Anakin brought balance to the force, not Luke. The prophecy was misinterpreted. Anakin, after becoming Darth Vader hunted down and killed all the Jedi except the two in hiding, Yoda and Ben -- Thus balancing the force between light and dark... two sith, and two jedi. Luke didn't finish his father's work, he redeemed his soul, and destroyed the Sith, re-unbalancing the force on the side of light.
gaspard281 1 month ago
Why are people ALWAYS talking about rip-off? Has anyone ever heard the word influence?
OLee82 1 month ago
@OLee82 nope.
NordicSteel 1 month ago 2
only 7 stories. The first 7 of there type were original. Everything after is a copy.
rbm10101 1 month ago
george lucas rips off a ton of shit in star wars...in the phantom menace that silver shp that they fly around is a rip off of a GI JOE plane...the themes are hugely generic...the jedi being angels..the sith being demons...he threw in dew back lizards for the storm troopers right after jurassic park's popularity
human0un 1 month ago
@human0un dew back lizards appeared in A New Hope when Star Wars was originally released. They did not move back they just stood in the background until computer animation technology came around.
PHATHCOX 1 month ago
Isnt there a story about Chi energy ('The Man With A Thousand Faces' I think its called.) Yin & Yang = Light & Dark sides of the force. Tells the story of a man being reincarnated again & again into a family at war until he sees things from every point of view. Throw in some special FX and there you go. What I really want to see is an Iain M Banks Culture story on the big screen.
pumf1 1 month ago
much more of a rip off of the wizard of oz than dune, with r2d2 as the tin man, the other robot as the cowardly lion, chewbacca as the straw man, darth vader the witch, yoda the wizard, need I go on.
jackebner 2 months ago
Star Wars ripped off a lot of things, but yes, Dune is definitely one of them.
XIII1234 2 months ago
actualy StarWars was supposed to be a new Flash Gordon movie.. but since Lucas didnt get the rigths he ended doing SW.
DrLynch2009 2 months ago
At the risk of sounding pedantic Dune, Star Wars, and many many other science fiction classics can trace their roots back to EE 'Doc' Smith's classic Lensmen series of books. Written and published around 1937 they're still in print and well worth the read. They might seem a bit dated to the post star trek generation but don't forget they were here first,
MrPeterpiper1969 2 months ago
@MrPeterpiper1969 Shallow and pedantic.
Perhaps..
ForeverEmunah 2 months ago
Star Wars has definitely taken many things from Dune, but what Sci-Fi film doesn't? LOL
SuperHeroMania 2 months ago
watch the 1950's Metropolis, it's where George Lucas got alot of his ideas
therealplease 2 months ago
@therealplease that was 1927, dude....
ProjectRealism 2 months ago
@ProjectRealism fuck you
therealplease 2 months ago
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ProjectRealism 2 months ago
I'll agree that both movies are similar, but of course they are. They're both sci-fi. The son following the father, the giant creatures, the twins... None of these authors/filmmakers can be credited with the creation of these concepts.
Lucas simply found, in my opinion, a better way to mix a very old set of variables. Bravo to him.
Quierame407 3 months ago
George Lucas stated that if wasn't for Herbert and Dune, Star Wars would never exist.
Lucas took a lot of inspiration from Dune, he admitted it in some occasions.
TheRealAxelFury 3 months ago
from what i recall, baron harkonnen is the grandfather of paul, not the uncle.... i may be wrong, i will check this out, but i'm alomst 95% sure of this.....
pteronoid 3 months ago
@pteronoid Jessica was Daughter of Baron Harkonnen, this makes the baron, the grandfather of Paul, correct :)
TheRealAxelFury 3 months ago
Star Wars is a "rip-off" of many films and books, meaning that it uses a lot of standard elements both from science fiction and fantasy. Just take the theme of a wise old man handing the youthful hero/prince a sword and sending him onto a quest. However, I cannot see a really close connection to Dune, many elements you mention are either really far fetched or quite irrelevant to the story.
DrTrurl 3 months ago
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mindarinas 3 months ago
While many aspects of Tatooine are reminiscent of Arakkis, and I do not doubt that Dune had some influence of Lucas, a lot of the other things listed here are pretty standard archetypes and tropes found throughout SF and literature more widely.
mgkw2011 3 months ago
This video's arguments are pretty weak, IMHO. You could make the same sorts of superficial comparisons between most any movies -- look, Lawrence of Arabia is set in a desert. Rip off of Dune! Look, Twelve O'Clock High has flying planes just like Dune -- rip off! Look, The Robe has a (Roman) Emperor and Dune has an Emperor. Another rip off!
Of course, all those examples are from movies made BEFORE Dune was written. I guess that means Dune was a rip off of them (sarcasm).
Ranillon 3 months ago
@Ranillon Well actually....Frank Herbert studied history before writting Dune and he used a lot of historical parallels. Essentially he used events in our past and disguised them as a sci fi narrative. Many people say Dune is a re-telling of Lawrence of Arabia. The fall of the Imperium (it's excesses, it's decadence) is taken right out of "The Fall of the Roman Empire." But it's pretty well known that Lucas borrowed a lot of material from Dune. It's evident more when you read early drafts ofSW
azbacnikorange 3 months ago
@azbacnikorange Where is your evidence beyond maybe reading somthing in some indistinct "early drafts"? That fact that part of Star Wars was set in a desert or that people farmed water is NOT by itself a steal from Dune. You'd need something like a direct take-off of Spice or some Fremen who go on to be the warriors of the good guys (not merely some wandering Sand People), and so forth. You need more than standard desert and/or sci-fi tropes to accuse Lucas of "borrowing".
Ranillon 3 months ago
@Ranillon The evidence presents itself to someone who has both watched SW and read Dune. A lot of the borrowed elements are subdued but this is a necessity because a "direct take-off" as you put it is called plagarism lol. Lucas has acknowledged being a fan of Dune. And some these direct take-offs are pretty evident in early drafts which are found on the internet. Borrowing or paying homage to a beloved story isn't wrong and it's nothing warranting an accusation.
azbacnikorange 3 months ago
@Ranillon for example Jedi mind trick is direct rip off from The Voice...
mindarinas 3 months ago
@mindarinas Which is a rip off of many earlier stories and legends. Again, thinking that Dune is the some ultimate source of all these ideas is just crazy. Do some research.
Ranillon 3 months ago
@Ranillon from what stories?
mindarinas 3 months ago
@mindarinas LotR for example. It has wizards knowing deep knowledge that gvies them influence over others. Even earlier, the stories of the Brothers Grimm (which themselves were based on even older stories). "Magic" has been around since the dawn of humanity. If Star Wars "stole" the idea then it was merely the latest theft of an idea that goes back millinnium.
Ranillon 3 months ago
@Ranillon what about Jabba the Hutt and Leto II Atreides(in worm form)?
mindarinas 3 months ago
@mindarinas God Emperor of Dune came AFTER Star Wars. So, now Lucas can see into the future too?
Ranillon 3 months ago
@Ranillon jabba first appeared in Return of a Jedi (1983) Leto II as a half man half worm appeared in God Emperor of Dune (1981).
mindarinas 3 months ago
@mindarinas No, the CONCEPT of Jabba came out in the original story, but lack of technology at the time made it imposible to do the concept right so they waited until RotJ to use him.
Ranillon 3 months ago
@Ranillon source?
mindarinas 3 months ago
@mindarinas Just read up on the development of Star Wars. They actually wrote and filmed the scene where Jabba showed up (which is why they could add it into later additions), but at first with just a big guy playing Jabba. However Lucas dropped it when he saw that using a humanoid just didn;'t fit with the more monstrous, slug like creature he had in mind, but at the time the the technology wasn't good enought. Once it was, it was added for the later addtions
Ranillon 3 months ago
@Ranillon what kind of technology is required for a puppet? I mean Star Wars the first movie, not re-re-realised edition is full of them?
mindarinas 3 months ago
@mindarinas A moving puppet (and not just the tub of lard version we saw in RotJ) was hard to do realistically before good animation, so Lucas just ended up cutting the scene. He had, however, wanted to use something like Jabba early on.
Ranillon 3 months ago
You have to keep in mind that Star Wars is essentially mythological archetypes welded to a Science Fiction construct.
Dune is not birthed from mythology and has religio-socio-political construct which is rooted solely in Science Fiction.
Star Wars is politically analogous to the end of the Roman Republic and the rise of the Roman empire-this is clearly seen in Episodes 1-3.
Dune has more of Middle eastern feel to it and ties with perhaps some Arab politics although the characters are white.
MultiSmartass1 3 months ago
Star wars and Dune are both awesome. To argue about which one is better is pointless.
tyroneemail 4 months ago
Lucas originally wanted to to put a version of Flash Gordon (that he saw and loved as a kid) on film, but he could not secure the rights, so, he made his own "universe". As for Jabba being a rip off of the sandworms of Dune, I say Nah, no mention that the Hutt/Huttese species is indigenous to Tatooine as the worms are to Arrakis. Btw, Luke Skywalker's plot is closer to King Arthur's story, and Merlin is akin to Obi-Wan Kenobi as teacher
mrlatin07 4 months ago
Star Wars is definitely influenced by dune, no question. "Spice" mines of Kessel is a dead give away to this fact. However, Star wars was influenced by lots of other literary sources as well, including but not limited to Star Trek (proton/photon torpedos), "Birth of a Nation" (Evil army in white), and the films of Akira Kurasawa like "The Hidden Fortress". George Lucas has never denied being influenced by these and other sources, and he is actually more blatant in references in the new films.
gstephensmith 4 months ago 2
Star Wars never will be as good as dune, dune combines a lot of stuff such religion, culture, war, politics,paranormal ,technology... to make a really unique history.
SW is just "marketing", like all things in this epoch.
HarkonnenMaster 4 months ago
LOL..its a joke right? Starwar is pretty staight forward bad guy/good guy its got my love. Dune is complexer in that well take the Bebe Gesserit are somewhat evil and good. Leto II is godlike in that he see the future and changes it the follow the "golden path" the end justifys the means super tyrant. What I see is that they are both using tried and true storyline plots of drama. You could relate them both back to shakespeare if you tried hard enought. Oh Starwars had a better ending :)
Rhembot 4 months ago
How should I answer your question, hmmmmmmmmmmm? Dilemma...... I THINK NOT. DUNE ROCKS AND STAR BORES IS A DERIVATIVE AND CORNY FRANCHISE W/FANBOY DOOFUS HUMOR & LAME ACTION. Boring beyond belief. I won't even go into the horrid "prequels" as the thought of Jar-Jar Binks has been known to cause instantanious human combustion and I have some fun things to do tomorrow. fTHAT IS ALL.
TheOneandOnlyMartha 4 months ago
You've got a good point. Here's my followup question: Is there a way to transplant the acotrs from Dune 1984 and give them the script and direction from the Sci-Fi Miniseries so we can get one competent move that covers Dune?
Ci3lag0 4 months ago
Vladimir Harkonnen isn´t Paul´s uncle but his grandfather.
VitoPossilipo 4 months ago
There are carry-alls in SW? I only know carryalls in Dune.
VitoPossilipo 4 months ago
@Direkin: Actually I have read the entire original Dune series all the way through to Chapterhouse Dune. Also, all of the members of the Dune "Houses" were descended from Earthlings who colonized the old Empire. Sorry, if you want to interpret the phrase "advanced technology" differently, but I think you understood my point clearly.
Ciresw 4 months ago
I wondered the same thing after seeing the original Dune movie back in 1984. However, while there some very obvious similarities I think that Star Wars is different enough from Dune to not be a deliberate ripoff. The biggest difference of course is that the Star Wars universe is full of (Issac Isamov like) droids. The Dune universe of course has very little advanced technology at all. And then there are the lack of Aliens in Dune?
Ciresw 4 months ago
@Ciresw "The Dune universe of course has very little advanced technology at all" You haven't read any of the books have you? There's plenty of advanced technology in them; what they don't have are "clever machines" and other robots since they were banned after the Butlerian Jihad. True, Dune doesn't have "rubber forehead" aliens, but they do have Houses, each so distinct they may as well be considered alien to each other.
Direkin 4 months ago
I wondered the same thing after seeing the original Dune movie back in 1984. However, while there some very obvious similarities I think that Star Wars is different enough from Dune to not be a deliberate ripoff. The biggest difference of course is thatt the Star Wars universe is full of (Issac Isamov like) droids. The Dune universe of course has very little advanced technology at all. And then there are the lack of Aliens in Dune?
Ciresw 4 months ago
Dune is better
mindarinas 4 months ago
These conversations are ridiculous, nobody in any field of art comes up with all their ideas purely on their own. Everybody borrows from somebody because everything has been done. The key is borrowing ideas, then adding your own originality to make it your own, like Lucas did. Even Asimov and Herbert, while very innovative, drew inspiration from somewhere.
misterbarbister 4 months ago 2
@misterbarbister yeah, but internet is still full of top "star wars rip offs" and I am your father twist is praised while I am your grandfather is forgoten. Dune is just to forgoten compared to star wars
mindarinas 4 months ago
Stars was released in 1977. God Emperor of Dune was released in 1981.
if George Lucas really was ripping of parts of God Emperor, then perhaps HE is the Kwisatz Haderach.
TheMightyMcClaw 4 months ago
@TheMightyMcClaw piza the hutt, err jabba the hutt apeared in star wars return of a jedi, which was relesead in 1983
mindarinas 4 months ago
Duncan Idaho is the ladies men... in Dune, DuneSci Fi, Dune Sci Fi 2 but in the Dune video game he is a fat annoying guy counting spice production.
DarthRushy 4 months ago
Dude some of your points are ridiculous. Father and son? So then I'm guessing the film The Road borrows from both Dune and Star Wars because it has a father and a son. Religious organization? Yeah which is present almost everywhere. Empires have soldiers, that's usually how it works. You know like the Roman Empire whos army was also the best in the world. And the sandcrawlers are called sandcrawlers cause they crawl... on sand.
bobivd6688 4 months ago
Bene Gesserit use their voices 'weirding way'...so do the rip off jedis - mind trick with voice.
March6371 5 months ago
Nah. Though there are some points of similarity between the two, to say that Star Wars is a rip-off of Dune is a stretch.
And the scene in that dumb Sci-Fi Channel Dune with the worm was a stupid scene that wasn't in the book or in Lynch's superior film.
Likewise making Yoda such a kind of "great fighter" in those abominable prequels was similarly dumb. "Wars not make one great!", remember? He didn't even train Luke in sabre-use.
So those two points are hardly good for comparison either.
WinstonSmith6079 5 months ago
At least Dune is for adults with its adult themes not a silly cgi character called Ja Ja Blinks. If lucas did Dune we sould have to have acute kid, silly characters in the prequel and a sistehoof of men
swingfire0011 5 months ago
The Baron Harkonnen is not Paul's uncle, he's Paul's grandfather.
vampdyer 5 months ago
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vampdyer 5 months ago
The Baron Harkonnen is not Paul's uncle, he's Paul's grandfather.
Also Leto was not evil. If you read and understand the books, he was acting to save the human race, his tyranny was the only way to bring about the Scattering and Secher Nbiw (The Golden Path) to ensure the continuity of the human race. Think of it as tough love.
vampdyer 5 months ago
@vampdyer vader wanted do bring peace too!
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vampdyer 5 months ago
correction Star Craft and Star Wars is a dune rip off
Tonystarkes888 5 months ago
this isn't convincing most stories that are in the same genre share plot similarities i dont think y have enough to say starwars ripped of dune despite me been a massive dune fan
MrPrivteye 5 months ago
this is a joke right? Don't get me wrong. Dune is the greatest sci-fi saga ever, but these "similarities" are huge stretches and the same could be said of any works of fiction in the same genre.
neocrimsoncloud 5 months ago
I had to stop at 1:35! SPOILERS!!! I haven't read those books yet!!!!!!!!!!
GrandFunker 6 months ago
0:33 "....looks like an worm."
"....like an worm."
".....an worm."
"....an"
"AN"
My eyes are bleeding , here is "an" disapproval look for you ಠ_ಠ
piccard1976 6 months ago
Well Done...Lucas does call it his space opera, and he never references where he got his inspiration from...but you know a lot had to come from Dune
theflorgeormix 6 months ago
@theflorgeormix More of it came from Kurosawa and Carrie Fisher than Dune.
m4rcus4ur31ius 5 months ago
I can't believe someone would even make a video about this. Star Wars came out years before Dune, and the novel came first anyway. BOO!
CodyRicheson 6 months ago
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Star Wars was of course influenced by Dune, and also by LOTR (e.g. Endor is another name for Middle-Earth and Lucas said that was an homage to those books). But all of these stories draw from much older mythologies including the Norse sagas, Greek epics, Arthurian legend, etc. They contain archetypes and relate narratives that deeply resonate in the human mind and so of course there will be similarities. If Lucas is a thief, then pretty much every creator of sci-fi or fantasy is too.
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squamish4244 7 months ago
Star Wars ripped alot of people off, but I think both the original Star Wars trilogy and the Dune movie were masterpieces when compared to the new star wars trilogy.
Sci Fi movies (any budget) suck now-a-days, they lost all the artistic edge and look like colorfull soap operas.
seppsters 7 months ago
Bene Gesserith voice = Jedi Mental Tricks. IMO, one movie wasnt enough to tell the story of a book.
RykoMD 7 months ago
Also for all the people going on about Dune being the better story...
Well I've read both book series (for the most part both have quite a few books, Star Wars in particular since there are multiple authors.) I have also seen all the Star Wars movies and watched the Dune and Children of Dune miniseries.
Dune is complicated and fascinating yes...but it's not as entertaining as Star Wars. The characters are not as memorable, and the plot of Dune sometimes gets over complicated. It gets so wrap
defectiveillusions 8 months ago
You're stretching, you can find resemblances between anything if you look hard enough. You're an idiot.
defectiveillusions 8 months ago
Geroge Lucas is not that talented. Yes Star Wars was a great movie and so was "The Empire Strikes Back". I find all the other movies as bad as they come, no matter how inpressive the special effects were.
He managed to destroy a character such as Darth Vader... Anekin crying for his mum and prescient dreaming about Padme are pathetic.
Nabu is a rip off of "Dinotopia". G. Lucas, with alll his resources did not make good movies.
sacopenapa 8 months ago
no, the baron is paul's gpa not uncle
TheZhonGuoRen 8 months ago
There are similarities in everything and it you decide to rate everything against something else that is similar you'll just end up ruining the film for yourself! The best way to look at Dune and Star Wars is that each is is more different than smiliar! :)
Franskid 9 months ago
"We found sixteen points of identity between my novel and Star Wars."--from Eye, by Frank Herbert, on the problems involved in the making of the Dune film.
NevilleRhysBarnes 9 months ago
Seriously dude.. you are stretching really hard with this.All movies are like SW because there is a struggle against good and evil.Honestly, there are similarities in lots of movies but comparing Dune to Star Wars is far-fetched.They are Science Fiction and thats where the comparisons really end.Dune is a much more intricate and fascinating story that George Lucas could ever have come up with.Besides, Dune was published in 1965, 4 YEARS before Lucas even graduated film school.
ProphetOfSekhmet 9 months ago
Star wars stole from a lot of ideas to come up with something amazing. Its just like everything else. Music movies shows games. Its influences. If anything Lucas could of been influenced. However so much of Stars is about blending those influnces.
Clesarie 9 months ago
Every science fiction universe is inspired by Dune. Just like every fantasy universe is inspired by the Lord of the Rings. Of course, in both cases, the imitations can't be compared to the original.
panarkas 9 months ago
Star Wars is ridiculously small compared to Dune. Dune's location is the entire universe. Star Wars' location is just one galaxy. Nothing else matters.
sondano 9 months ago
The Baron is the Grandfather of Paul. Shaddam IV inherited his throne he didn't rise to power. In the book "Eye" Frank Herbert mentions many things that were ripped off by SW and laments that people could believe it was him who stole the ideas.
cmsahe 9 months ago
Don't forget the Spices. Spice Melange is harvested on Dune, and is very important to the survival of humanity. And Han Solo got in trouble with Jabba for dumping Glitterstim spice into space, when he got pulled over by the Empire.
vigo894 10 months ago
Lucas was more influenced by the Japanese movie The Hidden Fortress which has a desert. Everyone knows that the Jedi are based on Samurai. The other stuff is pretty valid though, I forgot Dune was made before Star Wars, makes me like it a little more!
chaffel3 11 months ago
@chaffel3 I'm sure he said that.
However, it's also pretty evident that the Weirding Way pretty much helped to inspire The Force.
Princess2Warrior 10 months ago
Yes, Star wars completely rips off dune, where in dune they have little to no computers and in star wars they have sentient robots.
zunevsipod1 11 months ago
@zunevsipod1 Yeah - the only difference between them. Congrats.
Princess2Warrior 10 months ago
@Princess2Warrior
Yes, and to list all the reason would take days. So I kept it simple.
zunevsipod1 10 months ago
Star Wars was definitely inspired by Dune. Star Wars is Dune without the politics.
keiths81ca 11 months ago
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It may have been inspired by Dune, but the connections which you note are very tenuous. You can form all kinds of connections between any two movies/books/franchises of the same genre. This does not, however, necessarily mean that one of the movies(etc.) is a "rip-off" of the other. In the case of Dune and Star Wars, both have many unique characteristics and represent unique works of cinema/literature.
AurorusTech 11 months ago
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AurorusTech 11 months ago
No. DUNE is like the ancient, philosophical inspiration for several sci fi series. STAR WARS is an epic that is not a rip off of DUNE. Perhaps inspired, but not rip off. Star Wars is.. unique.. lightsabers... force... samurai like knight class of spiritual soldiers. DUNE is spiritual as well, yet places huge emphasis on the power of money, trade and politics. There is also the Bene Gesserit in DUNE (female super class).
ConejoZing 11 months ago
@ConejoZing They aren't spiritual soldiers - they're spiritual warriors.
And the Benne Gesserit aren't a super class - they're a secretive organization.
Princess2Warrior 10 months ago
Uncle? Baron Harkonnen is the grandfather of Paul Atreides.
bawenang 1 year ago
Interesting comparisons. I love both Star Wars and Dune.
TheAltair4 1 year ago
@TheAltair4
Me too Herbert's books and SW movies are awesome! Dune is a very influential movie that is adored by filmmakers like James Cameron, Steven Spielberg, George Lucas, Guillermo Del Toro, Hayao Miyazaki and others. It also helped influenced Nausicaa, Avatar, The Dark Crystal, Serenity, The Matrix movies, Stargate, The Fifth Element, Dark City, Riddick and many more of similar nature.
Johnlindsey289 1 year ago
Lucas is a fan of the book and those are wonderful comparisions, i heard Herbert sued Lucas but Lucas won the case.
Johnlindsey289 1 year ago
Of course, Lucas is a fan of these books and he used them as inspiration for Star Wars movies and you'll see why they are similar. Luke Skywalker is basically Paul while Leia is like Alia, Stilgar is like Han Solo, The Baron is like Jabba The Hutt is like Darth Vader, Tattoonie being like Arrakis, Ewoks like Freman, etc. you get the idea even Luke is a Kwistaz Haderach.
Johnlindsey289 1 year ago
In the year 10000-1-91, The known universe is ruled by the Padasha Empress Irulan the first, my wife.
700gsteak 1 year ago
You could claim any film is a rip-off any other film if your pointing out similarities like these. Also if your comparing SW to the film Dune and not the book than the main reason why its not a rip-off is that SW was released 7 years before Dune.
Defgunt 1 year ago
@Defgunt
Dune has influenced many movies of the years did you know that? besides SW, Dune influenced Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (a.k.a. Warriors of the Wind), Avatar, Stargate, The Fifth Element, Dark City, The Dark Crystal, The Matrix movies and more?
Johnlindsey289 1 year ago
@Johnlindsey289 No, thats not true, i might agree if you said Dune was influenced by the same themes as used in the movies you just listed.
Defgunt 1 year ago
It's a sad truth that there is no such thing as originality in any medium... if you look hard enough, you can find similarities in just about everything... but as for the similarities you're trying to point out, it just seems like you're reaching a bit...
just my opinion though
JJacksonHartley 1 year ago
I thought Vlad Harkonnen was Jessica's father?
howtoplanaparty 1 year ago
@howtoplanaparty Yes, read Dune:house harkonnen, on one of the chapters where Prince Rhombur recieves his concubine, Tessia.Duke Leto is in there and we learn that Jessica is destined for duke leto, and..
BOOK SPOILER:Eventually, kesia, or whatever her name is (Prince Rhomburs sister) Gets Pregnant with Leto's baby.haha :P.
moviemakerman90 1 year ago
@howtoplanaparty
yup, and
pauls grandfather
cirian75 11 months ago
One should not ignore that they could also have been inspired by a common origin. The republic turning into an empire that eventually crumbles due to it's own decadence come from the history of the Roman empire. This probably inspired Asimov, Lucas and Herbert alike.
The desert planets provides a background for arabic inspired scenes like Mos Aisley and the court of Jabba. It also provides a background for the beduin/mujaheddin inspired fremen.
Tzench 1 year ago
The problem the Dune film had was it was delayed again and again
1974 was the 1st attempt
and then SW IV a new hope turned up in 1977 which used a fair amount of Dunes plot lines, a bait modified a fair bit.
In the end, I prefer to the think of SW as a dumbed down, brain pop corn version of Dune for the masses.
Dune needs someone to go all out avatar style on it. and to realise the first book Dune is at least a 2 film story arc
cirian75 1 year ago
@cirian75
Well it is common knowledge that Lucas is a big fan of Dune and used those books as inspiration for his SW, even Avatar has similarities to Dune since Cameron adores these amazing books. I mean there are similarities including the Unorbtanium being like the spice, Na'vi being like Freman and that kind of thing.
Johnlindsey289 1 year ago
The Baron is NOT Paul's uncle. He is his Grandfather.
titoburrito777 1 year ago
You cant use comparisons from the movies.Dune was written in 1964, and the movie wasnt made until 1984, Return of the jedi(the last of the original trilogy) was made I believe in 82' or 83' and many of the nuances and visuals of the movie were not included in the book. Also any references from the latter books should be excluded since some were written by Herberts son after SW was made.Anyone could find connections between most science fiction stories, George Lucas is the man.
JFranzicles 1 year ago
C3PO to R2D2' ...brought to the SPICE mines of Kessel and smashed into who knows what!"- Dunes main resource was 'the spice'... He ripped off... i mean was influenced by a ton of movies ,it looks like (including akira kurosawa)... the saga is a montage of the best scenes from the best movies. Nothing wrong with ripping-off... I mean being influenced by other films.. it makes for one great saga!
2237lemon 1 year ago
First of all.... Barron Vladimir Harkonnen is Pauls GRANDFATHER not Uncle.. second... orlithopters were not battle ready..... the sandcrawlers in SW are tankbased..
Ryuseifalling2 1 year ago
Most overlooked...Unlce Ben lied and told Luke his father was "a navigator on a spice frigate" now unless you believe that they were hauling cinnamon from planet to planet it is a complete. albeit bad and hackish, ripoff by Lucas
cowboyx1970 1 year ago
Okay, just as my personal opinion and no argument meant, the comments made in the video are rather... far-fetched. I love Dune. I love Star Wars. Trying to compare Jabba the Hutt to the Sandworm are like trying to compare Padme to the Emperor Shaddam. Seriously, that's having to go pretty far out there just to think its similar.
Gruumsh4 1 year ago
Oh, right. saying Lucas stole things from a movie that was made about 20/10 years later makes sense..
Don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE fan of the SW and Dune series, but most of your logics, make no sense. you could say Children of Dune ripped off from Starwars, that's actually what you're saying right there.
SkullSyker 1 year ago
@SkullSyker lol what a dumbass, Dune was written WAY before StarWars.
mikeroo99 1 year ago
@mikeroo99 I was talking about Children of Dune, not the original Frank Herbert one.
SkullSyker 1 year ago
@mikeroo99 The Children of Dune was published in 1976
harqelada 4 days ago
@SkullSyker the book was published is 1976, a year before SW was released
cirian75 1 year ago
@cirian75
Wrong Dune was published in 1964
Johnlindsey289 1 year ago
@Johnlindsey289
whoops, my bad
cirian75 11 months ago
Lucas has on several occasions said unabashedly that he borrows elements from many stories/traditions that help to define the universe and the philosophy he wants to present.. Don't assume it's sinister on his part..
MeIancholyMan 1 year ago
I once read a Star Wars novel about Boba Fett where Boba shouts "Solo smuggled spice! Whoever controls spice, controls everything!"
YesWeCantaloupe 1 year ago
Also, one of the dead giveaways Lucas read Dune was the mentioning of "Spice Mines of Kastle" Like the other commentators said he steals from the best. Tractor beams and shields from "Star Trek"
Don't forget the "Lord of the Rings" influence. One ring to rule them all, one Death Star to rule them all.
timepear 1 year ago
George Lucas totally borrowed from Frank Herbert's Dune for Star Wars, and Herbert had been inspired by Lawrence of Arabia and Joseph Campbell, among others. There really are almost no truly original stories. For more info, see moongadget's analysis at "Star Wars Origins - Frank Herbert's Dune" (google it).
joshuri 1 year ago
George lucas has always stolen his material from other sources. Lensman series had a bunch of their material stolen and I can believe dune did too. Episodes 1,2 and 3 prove george lucas doesn't really have a creative bone in his body.
viscountalpha 1 year ago
you must read hero with a thousand faces
msalazarx 1 year ago
Ehhh. While some of these are decent points; a lot of these could be matched to nearly every action movie out there.
I definitely think Lucas took some ideas from Dune, but most of the points in the video are very general and basic. If anything, the parts taken from Dune are the Desert Scenes, Spice, and the base-plot of religion and political companies having control of the Universe, as well as an Emperor.
ScorpDeception63 1 year ago
Ehhh. While some of these are decent points; a lot of these could be matched to nearly every action movie out there.
I definitely think Lucas took some ideas from Dune, but most of the points in the video are very general and basic. If anything, the parts taken from Dune are the Desert Scenes, Spice, and the base-plot of religion and political companies having control of the Universe, as well as an Emperor.
ScorpDeception63 1 year ago
Ehhh. While some of these are decent points; a lot of these could be matched to nearly every action movie out there.
I definitely think Lucas took some ideas from Dune, but most of the points in the video are very general and basic. If anything, the parts taken from Dune are the Desert Scenes, Spice, and the base-plot of religion and political companies having control of the Universe, as well as an Emperor.
ScorpDeception63 1 year ago
yes
UltraBibendum 1 year ago
Good video! But you could have ran it through a spell-checker..
CzarKirk 2 years ago
I think really it's more they're both cliche ridden then one being a ripoff of the other.
SpinDizzyMR 2 years ago
Correction: The Baron was Paul's grandfather. And I wouldn't call Shaddam IV evil (or at least not as evil as Palpatine), but driven by the insecurity and fear of Leto I's growing popularity and the increasing power in his army that could overcome the Emperor's Sardukar
br00k39 2 years ago
Frank Herbert's novel is much more sophisticated than Lucas's story, in fact they are not to be compared. However, SW movies (and I don't mean the childish prequels) are masterpieces (well, ROTJ is a masterpiece of puppeteering), whereas Dune is a mixtures of half-scenes. Even Chewbacca is a much more significant character than Beast Raban (that's because some of the actors in Dune preformed ridiculously, e.g. Paul Smith and Sylvana Mangano).
expanding 2 years ago 9
@expanding - I think it is most fair to compare the Dune novels and the SW movies, considering these are the intended forms of presentation. Wikipedia says Lucas had to prove Herbert could not file charges after making changes to make his script more different from Dune. All the evidence I need.
@JuliasCeasarlives - Since the first SW movie dates from 1977, I think it is not fair to include any Dune novel after Children of Dune in the equasion.
I like both, but SW IS partially a rip-off.
Co19801003 1 year ago
@expanding We Orthodox Herbetarians are talking about the 6 Dune novels do not that 80s failed interpretation. A lot of people can not get beyond the first pages of Dune beacause it's too complicated for them to understand.
cmsahe 9 months ago
@expanding Say whatever you want about Ewoks, but Jabba's puppets were some of the most messed up puppets ever created. His palace is still the creepiest place in the Star Wars movies.
squamish4244 7 months ago
Additionally, in Dune the most precious substance in the universe if the spice melange. in Star Wars, Han is what? A spice smuggler.
Good video. I would add music, or more diverse imagery if I were you, beef up all the commonalities and clean up some of your spelling and grammar.
ANightmareReborn 2 years ago
George Lucas also stole the "Galactic Empire" from Isaac Asimov's Foundation trilogy, which features its own Galactic Empire, as well as the planet "Coruscant" which in turn was based off Asimov's city-planet Trantor.
Lucas borrows from everyone. At least he borrows from the best.
PaterTuus 2 years ago 18