As you can probably guess I am not a fundamelist christian, but I am fundamently christian, by that I mean backround, or European. I do not like the whole fumandelist approach to christianity, as if somehow they alone have a monopoly on 'morality', as they see it. Please critique this, as this is the best service you can do for moderate christians, keep us constantly examining our own views. Thanks, p.s. love scotland.
Hello, I loved you video. I am a christian, and yes I do believe that we should do good simply because we recognise it to be good. And no I do not think we should be good simply to get something in return. This is because I believe that people are good at heart, and that our shared humanity, regardless of faith or backround can recognise 'good'. In trad christian terms this is called the 'natural law', it is natural to human to do good.
Your "american" accent was killing me!! I love it. This may be off topic, but I had a grandfather who was a pedophile. He was a pastor, and also raped his children and other children. But, at the end of his life, he was still preaching that he would go to heaven because Jesus' blood washed him clean of his sins. It's crazy to even agree with a religion like that. It says in the bible "For it is by grace you have been saved, not by works so that no man may boast. It is the gift of god."
@artistenoire How can that even be morally sound? That's not morally sound by my "atheist morality compass." A pedophile goes to heaven for accepting christ, but a child born into poverty, or a good person born in the wealthy, developed world, who didn't know of or agree with the bible would go to hell? It's absurd. I do good for goodness' sake. I do it neither for a god nor make jesus suffer less on the cross. I think that religious people just can't fathom a moral compass outside their own.
@ladiesman3396 Catholics aren't all pedophiles! How dare you call a whole group of people you don't know pedophiles.... Catholic priests on the other hand.... Yeah, all pedophiles :P
1: I agree with you simply based on your awesome accent
2: A lot of the time, when we're good and do good things, we receive no reward or praise, and we end up wondering if it was good at all. Theism takes the mystery out of this and directly tells us that yes, that action was good, otherwise OH NO we have to think for ourselves!
Those points are very valid in any case. However, the idiotic people who would argue against your view would argue that you're not a good person (no matter how much good you do)as you are an athiest, and athiests(in their opinion)cannot be good people as they do not follow the example of god. This is why argueing with such moronic people such as the ones who claim goodness through the worship of a god is a waste of time as no matter how you argue it, they'll always feel they've one. I'm athiest.
Half your points are conjecture. Your assumption is that you think you know what people are thinking. Some people are good no matter where they are, no matter what they believe. What your really defending is how you have no faith i a higher being. That is your right. Don't judge just as the hypocrite religious person should not judge. Every thing will be all right. erick
Half your points are conjecture. Your assumption is that you think you know what people are thinking. Some people are good no matter where they are, no matter what they believe. What your really defending is how you have no faith i a higher being. That is your right. Don't judge just as the hypocrite religious person should not judge. Every thing will be all right. erick
yes, your point is well taken. I am a believer, but I do believer that I should do good simply because it is good, and I know it to be good. I also take your point about morality, morality is by and large a common human experience, developed over time. In the gospels Jesus does warn his followers of doing good for a reward, saying that they will loose all grace/merit by wanting to be rewarded. your video was excellent, clear and reasonable. It was not simply an anti -theistic rant. thank you.
Good Point true and valid to bad your going to hell, sorry gods real man not my opinion my fact. but your still right on the good athiest better than good non-athiest!
@MyKatsBarkTooMuch My question (Assuming that all good atheists go to hell and all Christians, good or just simply not bad, go to heaven) for you then is: Why would I want to go to a place that is filled with people who are looking after their own self interest? Hell is looking pretty good when it's filled with altruists and people who care about other people. *Note: I do believe there are many, many religious people who do right out of the goodness of their heart. I'm simply raising a ?
i got shouted at by a street preacher on sauchiehall st saying i would go to hell for not wearing a bike helmet. how can you go to hell if you dont believe in it. if christians dont want to go to hell then just become athiest
@SalamanderExcess Christians can't just become atheists because they don't want to go to hell because if they're changing because they don't want to go to hell means that in fact they do believe in a hell hence why they switched in the first place which then in turn means they are not an atheist.
It's your decision to follow a good path, and to interpret the good things in life and the bad. Where does this interpretation come from? It certainly doesn't come only from the bible. I would never ask where a non-christian's moral compass was, just because s/he never read the bible. That would just be wrong. God plants a moral compass in everyone, and it's their decision to follow what is right.
i reckon most christians don't really think of god when making decisions, they have their own idea of whats good and bad and they act on it regardless of what the bible or their minister/priest/whatever tells them. aside from crazy americans christians, most christians would agree they break the rules of the bible all the time, but its ok because they're forgiven,
Altruism and Loyalty. If Atheist does good deeds we can be more sure that he is acting altruistically. If religious person does good deeds we can not be so sure that they are not acting out of loyalty to their god. Does true altruism actually exist (in helping others we help ourselves)? Does it matter how the 'good' deeds arise? No, but it does matter when you're faced with the sanctimonious religionist claptrap telling us we don't have a 'moral compass' because we don't got religion...
a good person is a good person whether from a religious viewpoint or not. Most of us do good for some reason, even if it is to make ourselves feel better. Therefore there is always a reason to do good and there shouldnt be a distinction between the motives
Stop pestering GOD Limmy he's busy at the moment with earthquakes and famine, as well as those little flies that swarm about dead and dying children that don't have the energy to cry. Mind you everything is permited is it not ? Thats why jesus died for our sins isn't it ? Religion is a bit like your first love that breaks your heart...You learn to let go...Gerry...
Not all christians do good just because they are afraid to go to hell, They just have morals like any good athiest or good anyone . a good person is a good person, religion aside good and bad exist and I do understand that a good athiest is better than a good non athiest but that's not always ths case good is good reguardless. if someone is doing good just because they are afraid of hell they are not good.
The point is that it is still a guiding factor regardless, a rreligious person is taught from an early age, dont steal or you'll go to hell etc, and so their belief system is affected by this
Yes, but christians are taught that if they accept christ as their savior then they will go to heaven. Not if they dont' sin and don't do wrong. Everyone does wrong. a good athiest doesnt mean he's a perfect athiest a good christian or any other is the same. not all christians do right to go to heaven some yes but this is a bit general. christians do wrong and ask for forgiveness and try to stay away from wrong. good athiests do right simply because they want to and do bad thats the whole point.
that's not very moral now is it, so a paedophile murderer can get into heaven if he accepts christ as his saviour whearas a good athiest who feels that there is no evidence of god and much against it doesn't not the trademark of an all-good god, is it.
no not at all that's not what i'm saying. I'm saying that good moral does not have a religion. good and bad exists reguardless. it's very complicated and everyone has their own opinion on what's good and what's bad. I do understand what Limmy is saying though.
As a Christian I actually understand where you're generally coming from. Christians can usually come off as close minded and judgemental because thats exactly what we're taught. Our way is right and no one else is. We're all taught that and the reason is that all religions conflict each other. none are the exact same way so we should then implement respect. Our motive should be, i may not live your way or approve of your lifestyle, but respect your beliefs and doctrine
I love you're impression of an american accent LOL!!!! It's actually pretty good and is certainly no worse than some fake irish accents I've heard...;)
What I want to know, is why would I need a god's forgiveness, when I can correct my mistake, get the forgiveness of the people I've actually affected and move on with my life, one lesson smarter?
Even though I'm a christian I liked some of the points in you made in the vid.
You are right in saying some christians are only good for the prize at the end of the road. But i'd have to say it doesn't apply to all the same way not all aethiests are good.
I personally try to be good when I remember because I know that its what I believe God wants from me. Its became less about the prize and more about seein that doin good only makes good and doin bad only makes bad.
im a christian and i believe that gods gunna forgive me if i do something bad, and i like doing good things cause it makes me feel good :)
also, coming back to your last point, if you dont do good things, people wont be nice to you anymore, so i think everyones kinda like that guy with the million pounds.
Good video; plus a good facsimile of an American accent ;-) 100% agree with your point, nothing else to add. I'm also an atheist, and coincidentally an American of Scottish descent.
If God can read your heart, He'll recognize Pascal's wager. For you: iyou do not believe in one God, why not many gods? Each with his own moral compass? And stick with that American accent put-on; will save your lens from being covered with spittle.
Another point would be, if someone had comited crimes In their life, bit then got baptised just before they died, they will get into heaven coz they have been a good Christian. But an atheist all his/her life have been good, they can't go into heaven coz they havnt worshipped god.
Thats not what Christians believe at all. The belief is in redemption but only if that person was truly sorry and if they had more time they would set about righting their wrongs. Being sorry for your sins through fear of going to hell is different to being sorry because you truly feel for what you have done and Christians believe that God can tell the difference. To say that religious people only do right to go to heaven is arrogance - you are sadly misinformed!!
Actually not. Confession would only work if you are truly sorry and really feel for what you have done. Its just a way to put it all the bad stuff behind you and move on. A true Christian wouldn't use it to guarantee a place in heaven and if you went to confession on a false premise (like to get into heaven without caring about what sins you had committed) then God would see through this and it wouldn't work anyway.
"so a good atheist is for want of a better word, gooder then a non atheist"
say fucking Christian then don't make sweeping generalizations of all non atheists there are so many different types don't put them all under one category.
man wtf are you even talking about now. at the end of the day, no matter what religion you are, your religion has morals and you're supposed to follow them right? yet us athiests do it because of our own morals. so once again, he is right.
This reminds me of a conversation I was having with a Christain trying to convert me last night. He essentially said although I couldn't love God, if he existed, because he sends my fellow man to suffer eternally, I should become a missionary. Fear rather than goodness!
where would this theory stand if you were a good atheist and then you converted to christianity but still behaved in the same way. does that mean you would have downgraded your goodness? doesn't sound right to me.
LOL, that's the way to approach things like this :D Sometimes you just have to punch somebody in the face.
I really can't see how somebody who constantly brags about the limitless rewards that await them due to their saved status can possibly claim to be selfless as opposed to those self-centered atheists who only do something because it's the right thing to do. No heavenly reward = no moral compass?
see if ur going to say anything about the video do u not think u should just try discuss it with limmy instead of trying to rip the pish out of him coz he would clearly smoke u anyways lol....limmy i think ur funny as ;) :D
This argument assumes that because theists believe in an ultimate punishment, that is the only reason to be good. That is logically flawed in that most people are inherently "good" and that only a fraction of a fraction of theists restrain their evil simply because they believe they will go to heaven.
oh aye and there are hundreds of religions all throughout history and none have any more validity than the other. just because christianity spread through rome and became popular in the west doesnt mean you should assume that makes it any more valid than paganism. theyre all a load of shite. cheers. lyan2 your a fucking helmet.
You Lyran talking like you are doing about christianism.... Few hundreds of years ago you would be considered an 'idolatra' and be killed by the same fellows that claim to be good people coz they are people of faith... Nice society there lad keep on believing.
(sry misraken limmy for lyran in previous post's firts line)
I am sorry but religion is based on closing your mind to make you a good robot (which was good some thousands years ago). Than someone uses faithfull people for bad couses because they are easely exploitable: go to kill because god says to.... result: Crusaders, Terrorists, ect...
I am not talking about christianism, I am considering the process of non thinking called faith. U do follow the 10 comandaments... why? Coz someone told u to, could have been all of the people who wrote the bible or your parents (most likely the family), and you have faith that its right and its gonna bring you good things.
the catholic church says man can lose his salvation, commit one serious sin before death and God in a rage of temper will send that man to hell if he dies in that state.
the bible, early church and protestant church says nothing of the sort. you need to do a bit more research on the bible and theology i think.
I understand that in the past mankind looked at the sky and thought OMG look at that wtf is it? Let's associate it to something we all know... ourself and give it a sense that we all experience: (the greek god of wind would blow the sea with anger)
I'm not a catholic. in fact in the bible a catholic is never mentioned. I believe the bible, not the catholic church. So don't tell me catholicism = christianity. I agree that the pope is wicked and evil.
funny innthebeginnings account closed after this.
I mean... thousands of people died and still die in africa, why? Coz the pope won't allow condoms, it is against religion so it must be bad eve though science taught us AIDS is sexually transmittable.
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are FEW.
"And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. "
man has no "divine" attributes, he's a finite fallen being. spiritual people often claim that everything is "god" or that men are "god" and through meditation etc... apparently realise this.
God alone, is divine.
Your right there is a higher power keeping everything in sync as it were, there is an order in which God has created things. but you need to look past the creation, and start looking to the creator.
The bible is clear there is one God, in 3 persons each with personality, intellect, will etc...
God created all things, rules all things and is eternal. God is not in every human being, infact the bible says that man is evil, depraved, fallen because of sin and that the natural man(unsaved person) cannot even understand spiritual things.
So no, God is not just inspiration or a mystic sensation or a impersonal force.
Your problem is your looking to the creation, rather than the Creator.
All I know is that I Love you and I want to know about your thoughts... That when I hear music.. see a cool picture.. or find laughter in something... That I feel something higher...
Not in a religious way necessarily.. But in a way that makes me think there is a grand synchronicity of things.. And something more than we can ever really know..
based on your words you sound very loosely spiritual.
you should be careful and I really do mean this, be very careful of any spirituality that tells you you need to empty your mind and open yourself up to stuff.
I personally don't need to believe in god to know that rape and murder its wrong, but I have been surprised to aknowledge, during my resarches into the matter, how many people actually need to beleave god and fear sin to be a good person.
If I had lets say.......a big elephant in my room.
Would I be arrogant to say that elephant is really there? and refuse your interpretation that it's not?
See a lot of "spiritual" people love to say "im seeking the truth" but as soon as someone says they found the truth he's immediately branded as arrogant?
It is so predictable though, you say, "I believe in God", " I just dont accept the bible and I think im going to heaven because im a nice guy and God will accept that."
Limmy - check out Sam Harris and his brilliant book 'The Moral Landscape'.
For a clip of him slaughtering christian moralists type a Youtube search 'Sam Harris simply destroys catholicism'
martinrob66 2 months ago
Nothing to discuss. You're right. Anyone who disagrees is wrong. It really is that simple. Glad to be of assistance. ;)
grahamlive 3 months ago
No one could say it better. What a lovely smile at the end.. ^_^
123casper123 6 months ago
As you can probably guess I am not a fundamelist christian, but I am fundamently christian, by that I mean backround, or European. I do not like the whole fumandelist approach to christianity, as if somehow they alone have a monopoly on 'morality', as they see it. Please critique this, as this is the best service you can do for moderate christians, keep us constantly examining our own views. Thanks, p.s. love scotland.
luxjdam 6 months ago
Hello, I loved you video. I am a christian, and yes I do believe that we should do good simply because we recognise it to be good. And no I do not think we should be good simply to get something in return. This is because I believe that people are good at heart, and that our shared humanity, regardless of faith or backround can recognise 'good'. In trad christian terms this is called the 'natural law', it is natural to human to do good.
luxjdam 6 months ago
I never thought of it like that Limmy. but I rekon you hit it on the head mucker.
sonicheadfuck 7 months ago
most of us have a moral compass. religion isn't a factor.
LordCbass 7 months ago
Sorry nothing to discuss, it is correct.
MonsterMunchAreAce 7 months ago
Limmy is an atheist? My respect for this guy has increased evermore :-)
HAVEAKITKAT 7 months ago
Limmy, I didn't realize you were an atheist. I have a new found respect for you my man! Keep it up!
Kintaro696 8 months ago
admittedly I'm a bad atheist, does that make me worse than a bad Christain, Limmy?
Sproato 8 months ago
This is so true! Atheists are good people why can't christans leave them alone?
fabainspeace 9 months ago
wits eh ploblem
Djstewarty 9 months ago
Your "american" accent was killing me!! I love it. This may be off topic, but I had a grandfather who was a pedophile. He was a pastor, and also raped his children and other children. But, at the end of his life, he was still preaching that he would go to heaven because Jesus' blood washed him clean of his sins. It's crazy to even agree with a religion like that. It says in the bible "For it is by grace you have been saved, not by works so that no man may boast. It is the gift of god."
artistenoire 9 months ago
@artistenoire How can that even be morally sound? That's not morally sound by my "atheist morality compass." A pedophile goes to heaven for accepting christ, but a child born into poverty, or a good person born in the wealthy, developed world, who didn't know of or agree with the bible would go to hell? It's absurd. I do good for goodness' sake. I do it neither for a god nor make jesus suffer less on the cross. I think that religious people just can't fathom a moral compass outside their own.
artistenoire 9 months ago
you've got a very good point man.
have you seen the ones where they talk about dinosaurs in the bible?
wakey wakey!!
Derek70214 10 months ago
By which I don't mean more atheist videos, but I mean I'd like to see more of the observational stuff in general, but again.. I would be surprised.
Tmal10 10 months ago
I'd like to see more of these videos, even though you haven't posted nothin' in ages so I guess what I'd like to see is irrelevant, but still...
Tmal10 10 months ago
amen brother
CrunchyNutKBar 10 months ago
You, sir, are a genius.
Burtface57 10 months ago
Nice video man keep making them, you may need subtitles for the lesser beings.
Zk1f3r 10 months ago
Even if you were telling me to kill myself I would still fall in love with your accent.
ghostalin 10 months ago
I'm a Catholic. That doesn't mean I do good things "only to get into heaven."
MonolithD6 10 months ago
@MonolithD6 Then you're not doing good things because of your religion, and the argument of 'no god, no morals' is moot.
CommanderQ 10 months ago
@MonolithD6 catholics are paedophiles
ladiesman3396 10 months ago
@ladiesman3396 Catholics aren't all pedophiles! How dare you call a whole group of people you don't know pedophiles.... Catholic priests on the other hand.... Yeah, all pedophiles :P
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ladiesman3396 10 months ago
1: I agree with you simply based on your awesome accent
2: A lot of the time, when we're good and do good things, we receive no reward or praise, and we end up wondering if it was good at all. Theism takes the mystery out of this and directly tells us that yes, that action was good, otherwise OH NO we have to think for ourselves!
crudip 10 months ago
better, not gooder
maniac111111111 10 months ago
Fuck yes , limmy is athiest
InstantMix 10 months ago
Those points are very valid in any case. However, the idiotic people who would argue against your view would argue that you're not a good person (no matter how much good you do)as you are an athiest, and athiests(in their opinion)cannot be good people as they do not follow the example of god. This is why argueing with such moronic people such as the ones who claim goodness through the worship of a god is a waste of time as no matter how you argue it, they'll always feel they've one. I'm athiest.
OxxyAcidic 11 months ago
Im good because thats how i wish to live my life and treat others NOT because i think i will get a reward of going to heaven
so surely you could argue im being good when i dont have to thus im more moral than religous people.
SuperYellow1989 11 months ago
every word that comes oot your mouth is fucking brilliant
JimmyMcBoab 11 months ago
You just blew my fuckin' mind!
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Half your points are conjecture. Your assumption is that you think you know what people are thinking. Some people are good no matter where they are, no matter what they believe. What your really defending is how you have no faith i a higher being. That is your right. Don't judge just as the hypocrite religious person should not judge. Every thing will be all right. erick
CovenantOfLove 1 year ago
Half your points are conjecture. Your assumption is that you think you know what people are thinking. Some people are good no matter where they are, no matter what they believe. What your really defending is how you have no faith i a higher being. That is your right. Don't judge just as the hypocrite religious person should not judge. Every thing will be all right. erick
CovenantOfLove 1 year ago
@CovenantOfLove why are u on limmys vids? lol and why u put erick at the end of ure comments?
scotland1989able 1 year ago
They're called Theists.
ballsupbon 1 year ago
yes, your point is well taken. I am a believer, but I do believer that I should do good simply because it is good, and I know it to be good. I also take your point about morality, morality is by and large a common human experience, developed over time. In the gospels Jesus does warn his followers of doing good for a reward, saying that they will loose all grace/merit by wanting to be rewarded. your video was excellent, clear and reasonable. It was not simply an anti -theistic rant. thank you.
luxjdam 1 year ago
Good Point true and valid to bad your going to hell, sorry gods real man not my opinion my fact. but your still right on the good athiest better than good non-athiest!
MyKatsBarkTooMuch 1 year ago
@MyKatsBarkTooMuch My question (Assuming that all good atheists go to hell and all Christians, good or just simply not bad, go to heaven) for you then is: Why would I want to go to a place that is filled with people who are looking after their own self interest? Hell is looking pretty good when it's filled with altruists and people who care about other people. *Note: I do believe there are many, many religious people who do right out of the goodness of their heart. I'm simply raising a ?
Hoogian 1 year ago
@MyKatsBarkTooMuch it is your opinion because you proved no fact lol
Eric1251 1 year ago
Excellent impression of the typical, imcompetent, american theist! lol I enjoyed the video and appreciate the point you made. Subscribed!
shady4life1991 1 year ago
Can't help but to like ya!
CaledoniaJeanne 1 year ago
Your sentimental atheism is a hodge podge of Christian leftovers. (douglas wilson)
BigG99 1 year ago
subscribed!
RevSpike 1 year ago
i got shouted at by a street preacher on sauchiehall st saying i would go to hell for not wearing a bike helmet. how can you go to hell if you dont believe in it. if christians dont want to go to hell then just become athiest
SalamanderExcess 1 year ago
@SalamanderExcess Christians can't just become atheists because they don't want to go to hell because if they're changing because they don't want to go to hell means that in fact they do believe in a hell hence why they switched in the first place which then in turn means they are not an atheist.
MattCFC300 1 year ago
non-atheist is a double negative. It's like saying 'unimpossible'. A non-atheist is a theist.
TrotskyFC 1 year ago
Brilliant.......just brilliant!! :)
xxsaraxxm 1 year ago
Very good video by the way. God bless :)
AcidHead27 1 year ago
It's your decision to follow a good path, and to interpret the good things in life and the bad. Where does this interpretation come from? It certainly doesn't come only from the bible. I would never ask where a non-christian's moral compass was, just because s/he never read the bible. That would just be wrong. God plants a moral compass in everyone, and it's their decision to follow what is right.
AcidHead27 1 year ago
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ClicheHero 1 year ago
i reckon most christians don't really think of god when making decisions, they have their own idea of whats good and bad and they act on it regardless of what the bible or their minister/priest/whatever tells them. aside from crazy americans christians, most christians would agree they break the rules of the bible all the time, but its ok because they're forgiven,
shoeshiner100 1 year ago 14
Altruism and Loyalty. If Atheist does good deeds we can be more sure that he is acting altruistically. If religious person does good deeds we can not be so sure that they are not acting out of loyalty to their god. Does true altruism actually exist (in helping others we help ourselves)? Does it matter how the 'good' deeds arise? No, but it does matter when you're faced with the sanctimonious religionist claptrap telling us we don't have a 'moral compass' because we don't got religion...
saiello2061 1 year ago
a good person is a good person whether from a religious viewpoint or not. Most of us do good for some reason, even if it is to make ourselves feel better. Therefore there is always a reason to do good and there shouldnt be a distinction between the motives
bradley27 1 year ago
agreed :)
cullyvan 2 years ago
i am catholic-and even i agree with you! some people take it too far-i mean we are outta the crusading times.....well over here we are
GodMaker88 2 years ago
thats probably not a good username to use talkin about this...........lol - oh by the way yer show is brilliant
GodMaker88 2 years ago
Good point.
blandflabbis 2 years ago
Very true.
KyleBolton171 2 years ago
superb limmy lovin the show too laughed my arse off at that facebook thing on your web!
delboygonemad 2 years ago
i'm a christian and i think your point is genius. although goods good and bads bad. you can be a christian and do good just for the sake of it.
Birkbeck8B 2 years ago 2
couldn't have put it clearer myself
nivle9195 2 years ago
Stop pestering GOD Limmy he's busy at the moment with earthquakes and famine, as well as those little flies that swarm about dead and dying children that don't have the energy to cry. Mind you everything is permited is it not ? Thats why jesus died for our sins isn't it ? Religion is a bit like your first love that breaks your heart...You learn to let go...Gerry...
TheGmcFilms 2 years ago
Not all christians do good just because they are afraid to go to hell, They just have morals like any good athiest or good anyone . a good person is a good person, religion aside good and bad exist and I do understand that a good athiest is better than a good non athiest but that's not always ths case good is good reguardless. if someone is doing good just because they are afraid of hell they are not good.
iSlushoTV 2 years ago
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The point is that it is still a guiding factor regardless, a rreligious person is taught from an early age, dont steal or you'll go to hell etc, and so their belief system is affected by this
1ngjoxsh 1 year ago
Yes, but christians are taught that if they accept christ as their savior then they will go to heaven. Not if they dont' sin and don't do wrong. Everyone does wrong. a good athiest doesnt mean he's a perfect athiest a good christian or any other is the same. not all christians do right to go to heaven some yes but this is a bit general. christians do wrong and ask for forgiveness and try to stay away from wrong. good athiests do right simply because they want to and do bad thats the whole point.
iSlushoTV 1 year ago
@iSlushoTV
that's not very moral now is it, so a paedophile murderer can get into heaven if he accepts christ as his saviour whearas a good athiest who feels that there is no evidence of god and much against it doesn't not the trademark of an all-good god, is it.
1ngjoxsh 1 year ago
no not at all that's not what i'm saying. I'm saying that good moral does not have a religion. good and bad exists reguardless. it's very complicated and everyone has their own opinion on what's good and what's bad. I do understand what Limmy is saying though.
iSlushoTV 1 year ago
very, very well said
Brenho 2 years ago
amen to that mate!
embohambo 2 years ago
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voodoo765 2 years ago
As a Christian I actually understand where you're generally coming from. Christians can usually come off as close minded and judgemental because thats exactly what we're taught. Our way is right and no one else is. We're all taught that and the reason is that all religions conflict each other. none are the exact same way so we should then implement respect. Our motive should be, i may not live your way or approve of your lifestyle, but respect your beliefs and doctrine
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"Our way is right and no one else is"?
thats scary dude. and so wrong.
and if you are so right
and they are so wrong
why would you respect their beliefs and doctrine?
delboygonemad 2 years ago
I love you're impression of an american accent LOL!!!! It's actually pretty good and is certainly no worse than some fake irish accents I've heard...;)
What I want to know, is why would I need a god's forgiveness, when I can correct my mistake, get the forgiveness of the people I've actually affected and move on with my life, one lesson smarter?
ihaveopposablethumbs 2 years ago 2
I'm Scottish.
LimmyDotComBlog 2 years ago 55
My bad. :(
ihaveopposablethumbs 2 years ago
Even though I'm a christian I liked some of the points in you made in the vid.
You are right in saying some christians are only good for the prize at the end of the road. But i'd have to say it doesn't apply to all the same way not all aethiests are good.
I personally try to be good when I remember because I know that its what I believe God wants from me. Its became less about the prize and more about seein that doin good only makes good and doin bad only makes bad.
Good discussion!
OrdinaryRadical117 2 years ago
you ruin your own argument saying you TRY to be good because you KNOW thats what god wants of you!
wasn't that HIS point!?
incidentally, the journey is the prize ;-)
delboygonemad 2 years ago
im a christian and i believe that gods gunna forgive me if i do something bad, and i like doing good things cause it makes me feel good :)
also, coming back to your last point, if you dont do good things, people wont be nice to you anymore, so i think everyones kinda like that guy with the million pounds.
nice american accent btws!
RebyK511 2 years ago
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wezmo15 2 years ago
Naw.
LimmyDotComBlog 2 years ago
hahahah you actually replied! quality.
wezmo15 2 years ago
That's cos I care. I'm here for you.
LimmyDotComBlog 2 years ago 3
naw indeed. limmy, do what the fuck you like.
sykojme 2 years ago
wezmo15......whats Bono got to do with all this?
willyboy84 1 year ago
Good video; plus a good facsimile of an American accent ;-) 100% agree with your point, nothing else to add. I'm also an atheist, and coincidentally an American of Scottish descent.
JJR93 2 years ago
If God can read your heart, He'll recognize Pascal's wager. For you: iyou do not believe in one God, why not many gods? Each with his own moral compass? And stick with that American accent put-on; will save your lens from being covered with spittle.
flyguy359 2 years ago
I'm an atheist and I agree all the way.
Another point would be, if someone had comited crimes In their life, bit then got baptised just before they died, they will get into heaven coz they have been a good Christian. But an atheist all his/her life have been good, they can't go into heaven coz they havnt worshipped god.
AlbaG50 2 years ago
Thats not what Christians believe at all. The belief is in redemption but only if that person was truly sorry and if they had more time they would set about righting their wrongs. Being sorry for your sins through fear of going to hell is different to being sorry because you truly feel for what you have done and Christians believe that God can tell the difference. To say that religious people only do right to go to heaven is arrogance - you are sadly misinformed!!
Archeryjames 2 years ago 2
so why go to confessions for sinning?.. because you dont want to ruin your chances of going to heaven! well said limmy !
LewisTube07 2 years ago
Actually not. Confession would only work if you are truly sorry and really feel for what you have done. Its just a way to put it all the bad stuff behind you and move on. A true Christian wouldn't use it to guarantee a place in heaven and if you went to confession on a false premise (like to get into heaven without caring about what sins you had committed) then God would see through this and it wouldn't work anyway.
Archeryjames 2 years ago
yass the americns are weird though with their weird preacher people
morrisonltop 2 years ago
Is it your Logitech cam you used for this vid? I'm going to buy a cam and this one seems like great quality.
Thanks
amclellan84 2 years ago
bullshit, why does non atheists = Christian,
am not a atheist and your supposed to be better then me because you put me under the same category as a Christian.
nah am better then you.
nasri1011 2 years ago
thats not what he said is it?
he just said non atheists and gave an example of a christian
i totally agree with limmy tho, people shouldnt need fuckin guidelines to be good.
sykojme 2 years ago
2:20
"so a good atheist is for want of a better word, gooder then a non atheist"
say fucking Christian then don't make sweeping generalizations of all non atheists there are so many different types don't put them all under one category.
nasri1011 2 years ago
he didnt, at all, its just the way you chose to percieve it. calm the fuck down.
sykojme 2 years ago
i suppose the word fucking means am angry or is it the way you perceived to read the comment.
what do you mean he didn't at all? yes he did!! and i didn't choose to see it any other way he said that it in the video.
nasri1011 2 years ago
man wtf are you even talking about now. at the end of the day, no matter what religion you are, your religion has morals and you're supposed to follow them right? yet us athiests do it because of our own morals. so once again, he is right.
sykojme 2 years ago
er no... my religion has no morals,
so wtf are you talking about?
you arrogant turd.
nasri1011 2 years ago
ok - so what is your religion then? who is it you look up to? are there rules that you follow?
sykojme 2 years ago
Pastafarian
nasri1011 2 years ago
haha yumm
sykojme 2 years ago
ur a fanny
ur religion has no morals aye?
which religion is that then?
hebegebees2 2 years ago
I've answered that question.
you silly cunt.
now respectfully fuck off.
nasri1011 2 years ago
This reminds me of a conversation I was having with a Christain trying to convert me last night. He essentially said although I couldn't love God, if he existed, because he sends my fellow man to suffer eternally, I should become a missionary. Fear rather than goodness!
Happy0 2 years ago
Sorry, I should have said a missionary to prevent my fellow man going to hell...
Happy0 2 years ago
where would this theory stand if you were a good atheist and then you converted to christianity but still behaved in the same way. does that mean you would have downgraded your goodness? doesn't sound right to me.
wezmo15 2 years ago
My moral compass comes from whatever the fuck I think, not what a book tells me.
RossbartonFS 2 years ago 2
Great video mate, up Scotland from an Irish atheist.
daddyrizla 2 years ago
his american accent is CHRISTOPHER WALKEN.
UltimateVenom 2 years ago 2
"...Then you're a bastard."
LOL, that's the way to approach things like this :D Sometimes you just have to punch somebody in the face.
I really can't see how somebody who constantly brags about the limitless rewards that await them due to their saved status can possibly claim to be selfless as opposed to those self-centered atheists who only do something because it's the right thing to do. No heavenly reward = no moral compass?
AbbeyNormal 2 years ago
good video man i seriously agree with your points
libertyman10 2 years ago
see if ur going to say anything about the video do u not think u should just try discuss it with limmy instead of trying to rip the pish out of him coz he would clearly smoke u anyways lol....limmy i think ur funny as ;) :D
05cartsc 2 years ago
This argument assumes that because theists believe in an ultimate punishment, that is the only reason to be good. That is logically flawed in that most people are inherently "good" and that only a fraction of a fraction of theists restrain their evil simply because they believe they will go to heaven.
edlemur 2 years ago
Shut your big stupid face.
LimmyDotComBlog 2 years ago
NO U!
Your retort?
edlemur 2 years ago
Same again. Shut your big stupid face.
LimmyDotComBlog 2 years ago
I printed out a picture of your face and came a giant load on it. yum.
=D
edlemur 2 years ago
I win.
LimmyDotComBlog 2 years ago
I guess it depends on how you look at it.
We're both winners.
edlemur 2 years ago
You're right. We're both winners! Here's to us two.
THREE CHEERS, EVERYONE!
LimmyDotComBlog 2 years ago
Yasss Limmy told ye, ya wank. Requiem!
JMS444444 2 years ago
I can't honestly see their other "logical" reasons, got any?
SgtSpankey 2 years ago
Defos true any religion jst try n brainwash ye
Anybody whos in tae this sorta thing watch a film called: zeitgeist
SHARKYBOY1 2 years ago
i did. Limmy thinks it's unfounded shite. I think the religion part might be true.
ChrisTheMunki2K6 2 years ago
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ChrisTheMunki2K6 2 years ago
I think a non-atheist is known as a theist.
Geckooflife 2 years ago
good point m8 im with you on this one
samlaverty 2 years ago
I concur.
ohboypizza 2 years ago
oh aye and there are hundreds of religions all throughout history and none have any more validity than the other. just because christianity spread through rome and became popular in the west doesnt mean you should assume that makes it any more valid than paganism. theyre all a load of shite. cheers. lyan2 your a fucking helmet.
Supaduck0 2 years ago
religions are as useful as a sack of hitler's cum bein slapped against a grannys chapped oul lips
Supaduck0 2 years ago
You Lyran talking like you are doing about christianism.... Few hundreds of years ago you would be considered an 'idolatra' and be killed by the same fellows that claim to be good people coz they are people of faith... Nice society there lad keep on believing.
minotarr 2 years ago
Why?
Denial.
minotarr 2 years ago
What good did religion do for man kind's evolution?
Galileo: imprisoned and tortured.
Giordani Bruno: burnt alive.
Newton's theory of celestial gravitation: fuked up by faith.
Einstein theory of relativity: same.
minotarr 2 years ago
(sry misraken limmy for lyran in previous post's firts line)
I am sorry but religion is based on closing your mind to make you a good robot (which was good some thousands years ago). Than someone uses faithfull people for bad couses because they are easely exploitable: go to kill because god says to.... result: Crusaders, Terrorists, ect...
minotarr 2 years ago
Course u arent im kidding.
I am not talking about christianism, I am considering the process of non thinking called faith. U do follow the 10 comandaments... why? Coz someone told u to, could have been all of the people who wrote the bible or your parents (most likely the family), and you have faith that its right and its gonna bring you good things.
minotarr 2 years ago
yeah you are, you may not know you are.
the catholic church says man can lose his salvation, commit one serious sin before death and God in a rage of temper will send that man to hell if he dies in that state.
the bible, early church and protestant church says nothing of the sort. you need to do a bit more research on the bible and theology i think.
Lyran2 2 years ago
I understand that in the past mankind looked at the sky and thought OMG look at that wtf is it? Let's associate it to something we all know... ourself and give it a sense that we all experience: (the greek god of wind would blow the sea with anger)
minotarr 2 years ago
Jesus... very intelligen a couple of thousands years ago but now...
minotarr 2 years ago
The bible is a book written by man, it contraddictes itself and cmon.... the New Testamen!! Ridicoloous.
minotarr 2 years ago
What is ur religion? U Mormon?
minotarr 2 years ago
a catholic pope* is never mentioned.
The catholic church is what limmy is describing here in this video, with the sniper following him around. but the catholic church is heretical.
We are saved by Faith alone in Christ alone. The bible is our only rule of faith and practice, not a church or the pope or their traditions.
Lyran2 2 years ago
"The catholic church is what limmy is describing here in this video"
No I'm not.
LimmyDotComBlog 2 years ago
whats happenin with your show man?
wwechamp7 2 years ago
I'm not a catholic. in fact in the bible a catholic is never mentioned. I believe the bible, not the catholic church. So don't tell me catholicism = christianity. I agree that the pope is wicked and evil.
funny innthebeginnings account closed after this.
Lyran2 2 years ago
I mean... thousands of people died and still die in africa, why? Coz the pope won't allow condoms, it is against religion so it must be bad eve though science taught us AIDS is sexually transmittable.
minotarr 2 years ago
I agree minotarr...
InnTheBeginning 2 years ago
Aren't you a lyar lyran?
The bible lies, the pope lies, science does not.
minotarr 2 years ago
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
Lyran2 2 years ago
Atheists can have a moral compass btw. It is created by the undertanding of society. NOT by fear.
minotarr 2 years ago
No..everyone is not saved.
Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are FEW.
"And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. "
Lyran2 2 years ago
I don't get how you talk about divine when everything that we know as divie was made by man, like the word 'divine' and the feeling it gives.
minotarr 2 years ago
For me it is something... But that's me.. I don't think everyone is on this world to have the same experience really...
Maybe life is all about the experience.
InnTheBeginning 2 years ago
Well we've had some laughs, we've shed some tears..
/watch?v=iQDiKGRut80
Lots of Love :)
InnTheBeginning 2 years ago
If you want to get hippy dippy..
Then I will talk a little about the pineal gland..
And how In Dream States as well as Near Death Experiences..
Large quantities of DMT are produced
InnTheBeginning 2 years ago
man has no "divine" attributes, he's a finite fallen being. spiritual people often claim that everything is "god" or that men are "god" and through meditation etc... apparently realise this.
God alone, is divine.
Your right there is a higher power keeping everything in sync as it were, there is an order in which God has created things. but you need to look past the creation, and start looking to the creator.
Lyran2 2 years ago
Lies Lies Lies.
Imagination is Divine.
Blerk that is the noise I think of when reading your statement. I still love you though, ok?
Ok well here is a thought.
"Christ" is the same as "Buddha"
Because both represent a state of consciousness as in
(Access to)Collective Unconscious (enlightenment)
The collective unconscious is (according to cal jung, I think..) where the divine archetypes arise from.
InnTheBeginning 2 years ago
These divine archetypes can be all figures found in religion.. mythology.. and indeed our own life structures...
InnTheBeginning 2 years ago
The bible is clear there is one God, in 3 persons each with personality, intellect, will etc...
God created all things, rules all things and is eternal. God is not in every human being, infact the bible says that man is evil, depraved, fallen because of sin and that the natural man(unsaved person) cannot even understand spiritual things.
So no, God is not just inspiration or a mystic sensation or a impersonal force.
Your problem is your looking to the creation, rather than the Creator.
Lyran2 2 years ago
Oi Lyran2 don't presume I do not see a designer as well as a design.
How rude of you! But it's ok, we're all friends here.
For me to state a design and no designer..
Reminds me of looking at..
The trees.. but not the forest.
InnTheBeginning 2 years ago
Lyran don't kill my buzz man,
Everyone is saved-
Ok?
InnTheBeginning 2 years ago
(I assume you mean quantum of matter...)(
minotarr 2 years ago
All I know is that I Love you and I want to know about your thoughts... That when I hear music.. see a cool picture.. or find laughter in something... That I feel something higher...
Not in a religious way necessarily.. But in a way that makes me think there is a grand synchronicity of things.. And something more than we can ever really know..
I mean it is like a mystery..
A True Mystery Can Never Be Solved..
Because the mystery in itself is.. Wonderment.
Creativity is where it's at.
InnTheBeginning 2 years ago
I would say its a wave, and It wouldnt have any sense since time and space don't matter at subatomical level.
minotarr 2 years ago
But A Wave or A Particle Observed!
InnTheBeginning 2 years ago
Well... but, actuallt man created the music and the poetry and feeling good its the result of a spray of endorphines in your brain. Do you agreee?
minotarr 2 years ago
Oh yes, but the onion has many layers.
I mean..
How would you speak of the same thing on the quantum level?
InnTheBeginning 2 years ago
I don't have the answers. Just a lot of questions.
InnTheBeginning 2 years ago
Hey ITB... may I ask how did you get to the conclusion that god must exist? I mean studyes, personal experience that kinda stuff....
minotarr 2 years ago
Because I feel so Good ;)
InnTheBeginning 2 years ago
based on your words you sound very loosely spiritual.
you should be careful and I really do mean this, be very careful of any spirituality that tells you you need to empty your mind and open yourself up to stuff.
Lyran2 2 years ago
Gods Loves me.
God is Inspiration that creates music, laughter, art, poetry...
Do you concur?
InnTheBeginning 2 years ago
I personally don't need to believe in god to know that rape and murder its wrong, but I have been surprised to aknowledge, during my resarches into the matter, how many people actually need to beleave god and fear sin to be a good person.
minotarr 2 years ago
If I had lets say.......a big elephant in my room.
Would I be arrogant to say that elephant is really there? and refuse your interpretation that it's not?
See a lot of "spiritual" people love to say "im seeking the truth" but as soon as someone says they found the truth he's immediately branded as arrogant?
It is so predictable though, you say, "I believe in God", " I just dont accept the bible and I think im going to heaven because im a nice guy and God will accept that."
Lyran2 2 years ago