The Turkic migration as defined in this article was the expansion of the Turkic peoples across most of Central Asia into Europe and the Middle East between the 6th and 11th centuries AD (the Early Middle Ages). Tribes less certainly identified as Turkic began their expansion centuries earlier as the predominant element of the Huns. Their prehistoric point of origin was the hypothetical Proto-Turkic region of the Far East including North China and Inner Mongolia.
your video on Turkish haplogroups etc was informative... I'm pro-Turkey...(though I'm not a Turk). I'm also pro-Greek, pro-Italian, pro-Spain, pro-Bulgaria...etc. Anyway, bro, check out my video on Italian DNA... I think you might find it interesting. See the whole thing if you can. Cool stuff...and facts...and music, etc. Let me know what you think. It's at /watch?v=Z5SuE0s6BJI
Based on the data of the DNA genealogy, a concept was formulated and substantiated that in the ancient times, until the middle of the 1st millennium BC, two linguistic fields - the Türkic (Proto-Türkic) and Indo-European, the languages of the haplogroups R1b and R1a respectively, dominated in turns the whole Eurasia reaching the Atlantic Ocean. With a time difference of 1-2 thousand years,
There is no scientific evidence linking some languages to certain DNA haplogorups. This claim has no proven scientific backing.One of Pseudo-science fiction theories which is specialty of Turanist ideology.
Scientist and archeologist still do not know the answer but looks like Turanist fiction writers solved this problem too...
@orkunful It naturally does not happen that both sides were so mistaken. This article attempts to show that both sides are correct, each on its own half. As states the famous saying attributed variously to A.Einstein or I. Newton, “The Nature is cunning, but not malicious.” And here the nature has played a cunning joke with the linguists. It seems that the two Caucasoid brotherly lines, R1a1 and R1b1, that came about 50-40 thousand years ago to the Eastern European Plain as a single branch
If you want to talk about pure Turkic DNA haplogroup that probably linked to the Turkic language speakers. Evidence is stronger for DNA haplogroup N.
R1 haplogroups are rather sophisticated if you try to link a language branch. It would be more correct to link them to Slavic and Germanic languages but this is also hard to prove. Linguists and Archeologist still struggling to find correct answer.
R1 haplogrups are European and/or Slavic origin. Archeological and genetic evidences clear.
speaking a language does not determine your biological origin. Many African countries speak English or French...It does not make them British or French.
Language and cultural shift happens in front of our eyes even now. Anatolia was one of the first Christian lands and changed this identity in a very short time frame and became Muslim.
Did you know that between 1930 and 1960 about 3000 village names changed to Turkish? People forced to practice Islam and forbid do speak own language.
Slavic migartion to Central Asia during late glacial maximum is well known also archeologically. Central Asian population is slavic + mongoloid hybrid race. Mummies of fair-haired Caucasian people were found in the Tarim Basin, the oldest of which date back to 1800 BCE. The modern inhabitants of the Tarim Basin, belong both to this R1b-M73 subclade (about 20%) and to R1a1 (about 30%). R1a1 could be Indo-Iranian origin (approx. 2000 BCE), or nomadic Scytho-Iranian (after 700 BCE)
@orkunful These haplogroups are non existent in Middle Eastern or Near Eastern populations. Haplogroup Q is shared by Siberians, Altaians and Native Americans whereas haplogroup R is predominant in Krgyz and other Turkic groups in Central Asia as well as being present in European populations. Haplogroup G is dominant in the Caucasus. These three lineages are mostly absent in Sephardic Jews. Q, R and G haplogroups together constitute a total of 33.8% of all the Ashkenazi Y-DNA
@orkunful Despite these results not being properly discussed in the Ashkenazim, it is clear that Turkic Khazars were a significant founding group of today's Ashkenazim men. The majority of Ashkenazim men are still from the Middle East with haplogroups J and E forming the majority. Nevertheless it is clear that there exists a significant Turkic contribution to the Ashkenazi Jewry.
@ruh1000 this is not true.Turkic khazars-todays name kipçak karaims are not jews or askenaizes.fact 1-karaimisim is a sect that only accepts old testament there are 50.000 in world -karaims accept 3 prophets,fact 3-a karaim must be any etnicity not semitic -in istanbul there are greek karaims for instance fact 4-kırım karays are 2000 people fact 5-they were not sent nazi kamps bec they are not semits in 1939 . fact 6-a karaim cannot get married to a Jew bec jews accept Talmud ,karaims dont
"DNA Haplogroup distribution in Turkey " isimli videon icin sana kisisel olarak tesekkur etmek istedim. Benim yillarca dusunerek,mantigim yoluyla vardigim bir kanaati,sen bilimsel olarak cok guzel aciklamissin.
There are no pure nations in the world , all nations, icluding Greeks, Armenians, Russians, Italians , Chinese and others, are mixed. The determinant factors are the language and national identity.
this dna test is aproof that turks dont exist anymore...the dna in south italy greece and turkey are neraly he same...and this is the proof that greeks DNA is in south italy greece and westturkey..we are right if we say greece is not oinly in Greece...hink over it..the truks were not ina europe or minor asia before 1100..the first were alparslan and the selchuks.... never before..only persians were in minor asia and europe.
turks are not mongol they like us syrian exactly we have same face and same food and sweet and same nature and climate our roots belong to anciet syria ,semitic and greco roman mixed with some effect form arabs coz we ruled by arabs wherefore we are muslim & speak arabic. so turkish people ruled by turks wherefore they speak turkish
turks and kurds and armenian and greeks and syrian (syria & lebanon) all those people are mixed with each other (not pure race) longlive turkey
@fretfrek i live in germany and the armenians here all look different ! the turkish armenians look like turks the persian armenians look like persians and the armenians from armenia look like armenia armenians :) so this means they are all mixed
That means that everyone should just stop fighting and wake up. ALL humans are mixed and interrelated! We should stop listening to reptile politicians and educate ourselves. If we take the so-called "logic" of these racialists to it's most extreme it means that blonde Turks in Turkey should take up arms against more asian and "oriental" looking Turks in Turkey. Silly B.S. and dangerous.
That means that everyone should just stop fighting and wake up. ALL humans are mixed and interrelated! We should stop listening to reptile politicians and educate ourselves. If we take this so-called "logic" to it's most extreme it means that blonde Turks in Turkey should take up arms against more asian and "oriental" looking Turks in Turkey. Silly B.S. and dangerous.
Hunlar va Avarlarin Japon Denizinden Ispanyaya kadar at kosturduklari ve her milletten kiz aldiklari ; Gokturk,Hazar ve Osmanlilarin komsu devletlere gelin verdikleri bilinmektedir. Genetik olarak Avrupa ve Asyanin hepsi Turk olsa ne olur..
Turks are the people of Anatolia who had lived in Anatolia for thousands of years. They are a people mixed, Persian/Greek/Arab/Armenian/Syrian/Roman and others.
So big deal, the Ottomans came from Asia and converted them from Byzantines to Muslims. Either way, Turks are related to the Mediterranean stock. We should stop fighting!!!
Turks came to Anatolia only 700 years ago, ancient ppl of Anatolia whose heritage, history, ppl Turks have been stelaing for 700 years are Armenians and Greeks
My family also seems to be "really" Turkish, but we do not have a Turkish ethnic nor national identity.
When my son was little, and whenever I had to drive through Chinatown, he'd start pestering me with: "Mom, why does nana look like Chinese". Then I started thinking about my grandfather's stories about his ancestral origin....and looking into the ethnogenesis of my other grandfather's region....and it all came together.
@AVIATIO from where source you say the turk seen anatolia befor11 ADcentry(The Turk migration as defined in this article was the expansion of the Turk peoples across most of Central Asia into Europe & the Midle East between the 6th&11th centuries AD(Tribes less certainly identified as Turkic began their expansion centuries earlier as the predominant element of the Huns.Their prehistoric point of origin was the hypothetical Proto-Turkic region of the Far East including North China &inner mongolia
Dogrusunu kendin arastir ve bilim yap. Bu arastirmalar Türkiyedeki adli TIP kurumlarinda çalisan bilim adamlarinca yapilmistir. Benzeri arastirmalar dünyanin heryerindeki toplumlar üzerinde yapiliyor.
Bana somut ve elle tutulur bilimsel veriye dayanir Turanist bir iddia göster. Hepsi uydurma palavra efsaneler...bilimsellikten tamamen uzak.
Bilimde insanla inek arasindaki farki anlamak için 5 milyar insana test yapilmaz. Bunum bilimsel metodolojileri var. Bu nedenle Üniversitelre kurulmuski millet okuyup ögrensin diye.
Afrikanin en köhne noktasindaki bir adamda bir Fransizi anlayabilyor. Bu o Afrikali adamcagizi Fransizmi yapiyor? Buna Amerika kitasinda ispanyolca konusan yerli halkda dahil. Onlar ispanyolmu oluyorla dili konustuklari için? Turanist ideoloji bir efsanedei Anadolu bir gerçektir! Vatan ANADOLU!
@orkunful Sen şaka mı yaptın bana ? Allahın afrikalısına fransızca öğretirsen fransızca konuşur . 100 lerce yıldır Sibirya ile Türkiye arasında ne alaka var . Senin vatanın anadolu olabilir . Yunan yada ermeni kökenlisindir . Yada kürtsündür . Kendini Türk olarak adlandırmazsın bu beni ilgilendirmez. Ama bir avrupa tabanlı bi dna testiyle Türkiyenin %25 i şu % 30 bu diyemezsin . anladınmı arkadaşım ?
Tarih oku biraz anlarsin...yazdikça kendi yazdiklarinla ters düsüyorsun. Yazdiklarini biraz düsünürsen benim söylediklerimi baska sekilde tekrarladigin görürüsün.
Türkiye`de Türk yoktur diyen yok..az miktarda gelenlerde 1000 sene önce gelmis...gerisini Google arama motoruna turkification yazarak oku. Sana kitap yazacak vaktim yeterince yok.
@orkunful Ters düşmüyorum Ben bağnaz yada beyni yıkanmış bir insan değilim okurum öğrenirim düşünçelerim değişir . Basma kalıp kelimelerde kullanmıyorum
Sende dedin Bu 1000 sene önce gelen halk bu halk o kadar baskınmış ki demek biz onların dilini konuşuyoruz onların kültürünü kullanıyoruz . Türkleştirmekten bahsetmen için belli bir azınlığın büyük bir halk arasında kaybolması lazım . Şimdi bu zıt oldu Gelen az sayıda Türk diğer halklar arasında kaybolması lazım .
Google arama motoruna Turkification yaz ve birkaç gün oku. 1000 sene önce gelen orta asya kökenliler çok iyi asker ve yönetici olmalari nedeniyle Anadoluyu çok kisa sürede denetimleri altina almislar. Anadoludaki halk zaten Bizansdaki entrikalar, yolsuzluklar ve vergi baskilarindan Bizansin son dönemlerinde bikmis. Bu nedenle yeni gelenlere destek bile olmuslar. Istanbulun fethinde hem Istanbul içinden hemde istanbul disindan Ermeniler Osmanliya destek olmus.
Osmanli Ermenilere neden özel statü verdi zannediyorsun? En önemli nedenlerinden biri Itsanbulun fethinde Ermenilerin Osmanliya yardimlaridir. Bu bilgi bize okullarda ögretilmiyor. Türk tarih kitaplari düzmece ve özel siparisle yazilmis yalan bilgilerle dolu.
@orkunful profiline bakarak söylüyorum entrüsklerin miti Orta asya Türk mitinin aynısıdır . Dnaları Türk dnasıdır . Anadolunun Türk yurdu olması 1000 yıl öncesine değil 1000lerce yıl öncesine başlıyor tezine kanıttır bu .Ayrıca Anadoludaki halkın yüzde 60 i 70 i Türk olması lazımdır ki diğer halklar bu kitlenin arasında asimile olsun Buda Türkiyede %5 10 Türk var uydurmasına en basit karşı tezdir .
Son olarak yazdıklarımı istanbulun fethindeki ermenilere nasıl bağladın helal olsun :)
Sen iyice uçtun...ayni palavralari sözde bilim adami ünvanli Turanist Proflarda yapiyor. Ertrusklar isadan önce yaklasik 3000 sene önce (toplam 5000 sene) önceki bir uygarlik. Genetik testler Anadoluda Lidya antik uygarligi bölgesinden gittiklerin gösteriyor Italyaya. Tüm Avrupanin saygin üniversiteleri ve yapilan DNA testleri bunu destekliyor. Türklükle zerre kadar alakasi yok bu etrusk köken konusunun. Ama andolu kökenli olduklari dogru. O dönemlerde Anadoluda Türk yoktu.
tengri sallama be birader. Türklerin anadoluya yerleşmesi 1071 managirit ondan önce gözenleride sayarsak 1000lerde falan ilk türkler anadoluya girmiştir.
There is no typical one type of Pontian DNA but the DNA haplogroup that is most common in Karadeniz is also found in highest rates in Caucasus (Georgia and so on). Some old Anatolian Y-DNA haplogroup is also common in Karadeniz. You can say that Karadeniz people are most native to the region.
Majority of male population up to 35% in Turkey is J2. It is very common also in Balkans, Greece, Creeta and Mediterranean region. If you want to find out paternal line male members of your family should take a Y-DNA test (father or brother or uncle).
You are most probably belong to Anatolian stock but phenotype is a different issue. Your appearance is not determined by mt-DNA or Y-DNA. DNA haplogroups can only show where your ancestors are coming from.
Yes..you can say that...We are genetically as close as brothers...being Greek or Turkish is a recent identity for us...before that Anatolians were Phyrigian, Lydian, Lycian, Galatian, Hatitian, Sumerian....Helens etc...etc...later we accepted Greek or Turkish identity.
This process called Ethnic shift..we change ethnic identify bur genes are not changing..biologically we are belong to same stock of people...
Anatolia is one of the gene and culture source of Europe...as you know Europe is relatively young compared to Anatolia. They learned farming and agriculture from Anatolian's, trade from Phonetician....including their alphabet....
Ancient Greeks were native Anatolian's....in worse case majority of them were Anatolian origin...at least archeological evidences very clear about that,
@orkunful Wrong.Ancient Greece was a melting pot.Pelasgians were came from Levant and ultimately from Egypt.Minoans came from Mesopotamia via Anatolia. Mycenaeans came from what's now Ukraine followed by Macedonians and Thracians.Dorians, who arrived last came from an area north east of the Black sea.
Anatolians were cousins of Minoans also related to Trojans(Hittites) who were Indo-European.
Anatolia and Asia Minor in general served as a bridge between Europe and Mesopotamia.
@Tengri89 adin tengri, bunun eski turkcede anlami tanri'dir bu demekki senin kafan asyali turklerde kaldi. Yazdiklarini okuduguma gore sen orkunful'un dediklerini ya anlamiorsun yada anlamamazliktan geliorsun. Turkiyedeysen disariya cik bir yuru, insanlarin suratini gor ve onlar orta asyadanmi geldi yada turkiyenin eski milletinemi benziyor sen soyle. Ben turkum, bundanda gurur duyuyorum, ama genetik olarak orta asya dan gelmedim ben, ve turk olmak genetik le alakasi bile yoktur. okadar basit..
Anadoluculuk vatan hainliği değil vatanseverliktir. Yasadığımız ve kökenimizin geldiği topraklara anavatanım demek hainlik olamaz. Aksini iddia edenler faşisttir. Kahrolsun Faşizm!!!
Also the video which I watched on my results page on genographic project sight says that it is very likely that I might have Russian ancestry. So I am not sure man. All I know is that I am from Turkey and I am racially very mixed as my mother side immigrated from Crete during the population excahnge and my dad's sight from Kavala, Macedonia.
Crete and Macedonia was under the rule of Ottomans almost 500 years. It is possible that your ancestors migrated to those areas.
You inherit your Y-DNA only from your father not from your mother. You get your mt_DNA from your mother.
If your Y-DNA haplogroup is N...It shows that your father side is originated from Central Asia or Altai region. We are talking about several thousands of years.
Altai region where Yakut Turks live is in Russian territory at the moment.
Russians are Slavic and majority of them are Y-Haplogroup R1a.
Y-DNA halpogroup N is more specific to Siberia, Altia region and Central Asia. Y-DNA haplogroup N is highest among Yakut Turks with more than 85%. It is common also among Tatars. It is definetly not a slavic DNA haplogroup.
@oliveparadise Crete Turks are Greek root. Cypriot Turks are turkic root (mostly).
ottoman didnt send villages and families from public to move to crete. only government people, soldiers etc went and it was quite few. crete muslims are also considered as greek muslim in greece. cypriots are not. but I guess cypriots must be greek mix too.
Plus I can tell you that based on my physical features there is no mongoloid evidence or trait, I have pretty fair skin for a Turk and green eyes. Its the same case with Fins, they are Eurpeans even with that high percentage of this haplogroup.
Y-DNA and mt-DNA do not determine your look at all. People always confuse with that. Those markers are for determining your DNA ancestry. To be more precise it shows only your origin which goes back thousand of years.
hey guys, just a question out of curiosity... I participated in the genographic project and found out that my y haplogroup is haplogroup N which is only %3 in Turkey. Any suggestions on how my ancestors have ended up in Turkey concerning my haplogroup?
Plus I can tell you that based on my physical features there is no mongoloid evidence or trait, I have pretty fair skin for a Turk and green eyes. Its the same case with Fins, they are Eurpeans even with that high percentage of this haplogroup.
Greek. Turks and Armenians are genetically closely related. Kurds are very different and more close to Iranians. Y-DNA haplogroups G and certain J2 subclades are more specific to Anatolia, Greece, Creete and Balkans. It is not wrong to speculate that those people are grand children of ancient anatolian civilisations.
You should make a DNA test. If you have a brother or your father is alive I recommend you do the test both. You can find out origin of both mother and father side.
I see your point but from my research of Halogroup N, it is also very common in Fins rising up to %60 as well as other Baltic countries. So this high concentration of Northern Europe might imply that it is not exactly an Asian haplogroup but more so mixed like haplogroup R1b which is found in Europe as well as in Asia.
People are moving around the world since early history. R1b is slavic and highest among Slavs with up to 70%. It arrived to Central Asia during late glacial maximum. Its presence in central Asia shows that central asians and slavs had contact.
For example you see Y-DNA haplogroup J2 also in Asia but it does not change the fact that it is a Mesopotamian. It arrived there by neolithic farmers.
So same rule applies to Y-DNA haplogroup N. It is more Eurasian than pure Asian.
Good, I've always thought that the Turks of today were the descendants of the ancient Hittites, Pontians and Romans, with some genetic input from the Balkans and perhaps from the far east as well.
You still do not want to get it...J is not an Arab DNA. There is no such thing...J1 and F haplogroups are more common among Arabs. J1 is minor in Turkey and more common among Arabs and Kurds in South East of Tukey. J2 is more central Anatolian and northern in Turkey. Majority of Turks are J2...It is common also in Greek, Italy, Balkans and coastal regions of Mediterranean.
Haplogroup J2 is mainly found in Central south Turkey. It is mostly like the marker of the Native Anatolians and Assyrians. J1 is mainly found among the Arab population in Turkey and of course Turks of Turkey mixed with Arabs, the Ottomans ruled the Middle-East for a long time.
@Garudaa2 J1 is found at a significant amount in the caucuses, this is not due to influence of Arabs. J is a Semitized Haplogroup, E is a Semitic Haplogroup. We do not know what language J and I haplogroup people spoke, It was most likely to have been Caucasian or Dravidian.
recently i joined nat geo genealogy project. to be honest, im surprised im hablogroup c which is mongolian-turkic gene. i expected a mixture but immoreproud of myself now. to be relative of ghenghis khan... and a very rare dna group in turkey.
Thanks for sharing this interseting information here. Where are you from? Are you from Turkey?
Y-DNA haplogroup C is very common in Asia. It has 6 subtypes (C1 to C6). Did you take sub-typing test? It can be very interesting and more informative. You can find your exact ancestors.
insteadt they said im haplogroup M216. and carry the following group M168-P143_M130. ive been told the more info they have got with research, they will be able to tell about my dna and ancestry more.
i started to search in google about haplogroup C and there are only three percent in turkey. and ım one of them as an invader LOL
those M-types are conforming the SP mutations altogether that you are DNA haplogroup C. Your subclade mutated approx. 50.000 yrs ago from Y-DNA haplo CF.
If I were you I would take more typing test to find out if you are C1, C2...or C6. There are 6 subtypes and their geographical locations differ. If you are from Turkey it is very likely that you are Mongolian-Turkic and your ancestors arrived during the Mongol invasions after 11th century to Anatolia...
Y haplogroup J2 is native to Anatolia; these people were the first farmers and followed the rain and ended up as far as Germany and India. We do not know what language they spoke but it was not Semitic, Indo-European or Turkish. You do not need genetics to show Turks are not from central Asia, you simply need a mirror.
Kurds have a long history. They were in the region at least 2400 years ago, and are mentioned by Xenophon. It is not known if they are actually Iranian. Their language is Iranic, but the Kurds may have been, like some peoples in the Caucasus and the Basques in the Pyrennes, an autochothonous people, from out of prehistoric times in the same land.
An interesting video. Any Turk in Turkey will tell you that the previous tenants of Anatolia generally never left. They married the newcomers. A country with a like situation is Spain, which a slew of peoples settled in. And Latin was not the first language of Spain. As for the Turks, a Turk is a person who loves Turkish institutions and identity----it is cultural more than by genetic origin.
people of anatolia embraced islam between the 8th century and 16th century. the process was very strong in the 13th century when millions got islam. the ones that accepted islam called them turkish because the very first muslims who brought islam to turkey were turkic warriors and darvishes of abbasi khilafet. the converted called themselves as turkish and left their languages because they are the languages of christianity.
I think the Kurds and Turks are rather too polarized politically. If I ran Turkey, the Kurds would be welcome to use their own spoken language amongst themselves, but to get ahead ithe Kurd fellow would need to learn Turkish, especially in schools and for official documents. I think the Turks restrict the Kurds too much but the Kurds fail to note that there cannot ever be a totally independent Kurdistan. Geography is the reason why; the Kurds are an INLAND people.
im Kurd, I look more like White Indians(not dravidians) with large eyes and oliv skinn. I have not done any DNA Test but will do, not many people look like me. For me Kurds are 3 groupes: R1a People who look like Pakistanis and afew Persians with large eyes. J2 Kurds who are Mesopotamians and Kurdified, and We have less than 10% Mongolid Kurds with monglid face and eyes. Kurdish Culture and language is indo-europian like greek or balkanian.
@OzNoble Kurds are a Iranian people, they speak a langauge that is very similar to other Iranian langauges like Persian,Lur,Balochi. In turn their Languages are in the same group as Indo-Europeans. Their culture is also similar to Persians and other Iranians. Kurds even look like Persians.
Turks or turks people are caucasian people. Asians of iindia and central asians are caucasian people. But some got mixed in with mongoloid people cuz they were neihboring countries.
Those areas of Central Asia was meeting point of European and Asian races. DNA studies shows this contact and interracial mixture. This contact occurred during late glacial maximum and in recent history because of the silk road.
Late glacial maximum was the time that human populations forced into refuge areas as a result of climatic conditions.
Türkiye avcı toplayıcılıktan insanların medeniyete geçtikleri yer, asıl üzücü ve ironik olan ataları bu devrimin merkezinde bulunmuş insanların asyalı göçmenlerin devamı olduklarını düşünmeleri. Hem dini reflekslerle Avrupalılar hem de bizdeki dini temelli milliyetçiler, Türkleri asıl köklerine yabancılaştırmak konusunda işbirliği yapıyorlar, Türki kimliğine sahip olduğumuzu savunuyorlar.
The ancient Thracian and Anatolian elements to Turkey's history are important. The nations of Anatolia have developed over time. They are now united as Turks (and some Kurds) but the history of development should studied and known. The Turkic element of Turkey's origin exists and matters but there are a lot of other elements to the story also.
I wonder if there are any statues of the ancient kings and figures of Anatolia in Turkey? That would be cool to see.
Even some Hittite laws are in use in Anatolia as "TÖRE", for instance "man marring his brothers wife if he passes away." The sculptures from Hitties show that even clothing, the dressing style in rual anatolia is almost same as the Hittites. You do not see if you do not look, it is the explanation of all this nonsense.
There is more that you can dream about! Kurds came to Anatolia in the years of 1000 before that they had been living in Iran. There has been found carpets with Turkish motives on.. It has been thru carbon test and the result is: 8000 age old. The most interesting thing is that the same motives can be found in central asia were the Turks live & sibirea even in the old indian tribes in America!
Your claims are complete fiction. Majority of Kurds are native to Mesopotamia. Some of them may be migrated from Iran to the region so nobody can deny that.
Regarding on your carpet theory: Do you know Silk Road? or are you ignoring it?
Central Asia was part of the Silk Road and there was Sino-Roman contact as early as the time of Caesar Augustus. Many in and around that area claim descent from Romans too. If your claim is true you can guess where and how your carpet ended-up in Anatolia.
Those theories such as "carpet theory" are manufactured by Turanian propagandists to put our genetic origin to central Asia. This is an organised crime that those Turanians are practising past 80 years.
Knowing our real origins will not damage the unity of Turkey at all...
Turks could consider themselves successors (sort of like the French are to Franks and Celts) to the various nations and kingdoms of Anatolia (and Eastern Thrace) such as Hittites, Pontus (remember Mithridates), Galatia, Thracians (part of it), Lydia, Phyrgia, and others. Perhaps elements of some of these past nations and cultures could be revived?
They also have ties to Greeks and Armenians (although relations are perhaps a problem at the present). Very interesting cultures.
Haplogroup O3: About 50% to 70% of Chinese males belong to haplogroup O3,some areas even reach 80%.Haplogroup O is almost absent in Central Asia and Europe.
Recent genetics research indicates that the Turkic peoples originated from Central Asia and therefore are possibly related with Xiongnu. A majority (89%) of the Xiongnu sequences can be classified as belonging to an Asian haplogroups and nearly 11% belong to European haplogroups.
This study you quoted is mentioning about Turkic people not the people of Turkey....It is 2 different things...
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This finding indicates that the contacts between European and Asian populations were anterior to the Xiongnu culture, and it confirms results reported for two samples from an early 3rd century B.C.
Guys do not waste your time with these bullshits cause noone on the earth give shit about creating Turan,you know why?
Because everythng related to economic situations and political benefits,for example: Kazakhistan has good economy such as petrol and gas-Do you think Kazakhistan can create union with poor Ozbeks or Kyrgiz?
Even though Turkey`s economy much bigger than any of them in Asia(if u consider them as a 1 state!)
I do not think so-Turkey MUST eliminate terrorist near the Iraq border!
Related or not, the original ethnicity of the peoples of Anatolia (now called the turks) has been erased by the Asiatic peoples who enforced their culture and language upon these people. With all the subsequent consequences like the Armenian Genocide etc... You guys should really figure out who you are soon, cause we are tired being an enemy to people who genetically are very similar to us.
turks of Turkey are definately not related to asians anymore.I mean most of our people look like eastern european,caucasian and middle eastern.The ones who have a asian look have turkmen or kazak roots not Turkish.
you are a fascist and dont want to hear that.Most of the Turks even dont want to be asian no one of my friend ssay that he is asian....you cant be turk from turkey if you feel asian.
Reports the following for Turkish Y-DNA samples: *The major components (haplogroups E3b, G, J, I, L, N, K2, and R1; 94.1%) are shared with European and neighboring Near Eastern populations* and contrast with only a minor share of haplogroups related to Central Asian (C, Q and O; 3.4%), Indian (H, R2; 1.5%) and African (A, E3*, E3a; 1%) affinity.
94.1% of the DNA found in Turkish Y chromosome samples is shared with European and neighboring Near Eastern populations. So there is no special motif or Turkish DNA. And this finding is explained by the closing sentence; "the variety of Turkish haplotypes is witness to Turkey being both an important source and recipient of gene flow".
You are mixing up again. Being Kurdish or Armenian is a ethnic identity...I have no problem with speculations that trying to explain where those cultures born...
The point here is their genetic origin...DNA-haplogroups of those prople show that they were in the area for thousands of years...they even share same DNA haplogroups with hattis, hethits. Ethnic identiy is somethingelse and it does not correlate with genetic origin.
.thanks for informing on the genetic origin of turks of Turkey..but, really it doesn't take a brainer to know that..just look in the mirror and you will see that you don't look like genghis khan..we, in Turkey realize that the majority of us pretty much look like our neighbors but orkunful..DNA MEANS VERY LITTLE! genetically I am half yugo..i know that for a fact . but you see it doesn't matter I am 100% turkish therefore a member of "Turk" just like an azeri, a kazakh, an uighur or an uzbek
Ethnic origin and genetic origin are like an apple and potato. This video shows you the genetic evidence that up to 90% of population in Turkey is not related to Central Asian Turkic tribes genetically...thats all...
orkunful, to make it short..i neither look at my genes nor feel closer to a slav, a greek or an armenian..i speak turkish, live in a turkish culture, share common history and religion with the rest of the turks and I don't like "these people" who divide "us" by clouding the waters..you know what I mean! saying things like"there are no Turks in Turkey" crap! I heard it before and too many times!
My sources are pure scientific medical journals... They are all most recent and accurate information...
I do not collect my data from non-scientific speculative sources at all.
IGENEA is a commercial source..the biggest mistake they make is they name some DNA haplogroups as a Turkic...Those haplogroups are very common in South East Eruope, Mediterranean, Balkan countries in France and Spain too.
There is no Turkic DNA haplogroup. If somebody claims so it is not scientifically true.
DNA haplogroup J2 is one of the major in Turkey and up to 25% of population have its subclades. It is originated from DNA haplogroup J about 18000 years ago.
It is subclades are key and determines recent ancestry. Some J2 subclades are linked to ancient Greeks and Minoans.
I) have to underline that Y-DNA haplogorup J2 has 25 subclades.
You do the same mistake like many others does. You are mixing up the genetic origin to ethnic origin. They are 2 different things...
I know that there is no specific German DNA-hplogroup or Frenche one..same applies to any other nation...but there are certain DNA haplogroups that dominant in Europeans and Slavic origin people (R1a & R1b for example).
I am not an Armenian or Kurdish but hostorical records are clear and supported by Scientific DNA studies that Armenians and Kurds are native to Anatolia..This is a fact..but may be hard for you to digest.
Dont worry about those idiots who pretend to be asian, they are not turks, they are the kurds that hate the turks thats creating a "turkish" profile to start all sorts of fights, I have caught afew of them. They use many different methods such as pretending to be greeks and abusing us so we can start an argument with the greeks also, which they have succeeded in many places.
totaly bullshit this dna reasearchs show that turks have nothing to do with asians...damn how can be people so proud of asia (those useless yellow faced pigs).
Our Ultra-nationalists are strange..they created a fake ID for themselves and strongly believe that they are Asians (funny though)...it is a result of a brain washing....
check all DNA lists and it will proove you that we dont have your dna in our country.45% funny..hahahha.You have our dna like 4% Dinaric.You have 7.5% Slawic dna and 15% celtic dna you have more european ancestory then you think.
IGEBEA classification is not correct and scientific.
Incase of DNA haplogrou G the following is the Scientific describtion.
Haplogroup G (M201) found in in the Caucasus, the Iranian plateau, and Anatolia; in Europe mainly in Greece, Italy, northern Spain, the Tyrol, as well as Bohemia, Moravia; Britain and Norway at only 2%
Those J2 DNA haplogroups also common in Greece, Italy, Spain, France and Balkan countries.
Igenea plays commercial. Currently you can not identify ethnic origin of a person based on DNA-haplogroups. But you can say their genetic origin (or genetic ancestery).
What the result most importantly means as far as turkey goes is that DNA-wise turkey has very little to do with central asian turkic groups, and far more resembles the region that it exists in (ME) than anything in central asia.
This I think is important. Hopefully, it will moderate the pan-turkist elements in turkish politcis which imho have been a negative force in turkish politics ever since the inception of the turanist movement.
This video is all about that. Recent DNA-haplogorup studies show that closest genetic cousins of people in Turkey are in neighboring countries including balkan countries and Europe.
It would make more sense to look at neighboring countries for genetic cousins than several thousands kilometers away in Central Asia. It makes more sense anyway...no need to be scientist for that.
It makes more sense but not for turanists who wanna unify turkey with eastern turkistan or kazakhstan instead of its surroundings. I wish somebody would explain to me what turkey has gained from Turanists?
BTW, Hg G (which exists in turkey) is very much present around all medeterranian. It exists in egypt, libya in same percetnage more or less as turkey!.
Unification of Turkey with Central Asian countries is based on fake claims.
Most importantly we do not have genetic relation with them. It is only the language.
Turanists gave Turkey only blood shed and hate but nothing else. They took away real identity of people and replaced it with fake one..changed the language...etc..etc..(process of last 500 years).
Worse one of all is that they made us enemy with our genetic brothers...so nothing good...all is fake...
Interestingly DNA haplogroup J2 also common among Armenian population....Our ultra-nationalists may not like this a lot...Probably majority of them are DNA-haplogroup J2 .
Much of the caucusses orkunful are either J1 or J2. Republic of Azerbaijan is almost 40-50% J. I forgot the ratio in Georgia and Armenia but it is also high.
Iran (where their nationalists have "Aryan" myths) has 35% Arabid (10% J1 and 24% J2) vs. only 25% R1a (Eurasid/Aryan).
Both the Iranian and Turkish nationalisms have no basis in modern science. Neither are the geneologies of the old testament. Nonreligeous Arab geneological history (not based on religeous texts) is actually more accurate.
I think the fact that 40% of turkey is J is great.
J appears to be the haplogroup associated with earliest human civilization. Even Crete in greece (birthplace of european civilization) is predominantly J.
The funny thing is that DNA suggests that the glorious greek civilization could well have been non-european by DNA!
I wonder if they have done any studies on skeletons from that era that way the main haplogroup of the civilization of plato, socrates, and aristotle would be determined :)
Your comment makes sense to me...I think Semitic origin people or Phoenicians contributed a lot to greek civilization a lot...or simlpy they were Phoenicians.
The Turkic migration as defined in this article was the expansion of the Turkic peoples across most of Central Asia into Europe and the Middle East between the 6th and 11th centuries AD (the Early Middle Ages). Tribes less certainly identified as Turkic began their expansion centuries earlier as the predominant element of the Huns. Their prehistoric point of origin was the hypothetical Proto-Turkic region of the Far East including North China and Inner Mongolia.
goran21715 2 months ago
your video on Turkish haplogroups etc was informative... I'm pro-Turkey...(though I'm not a Turk). I'm also pro-Greek, pro-Italian, pro-Spain, pro-Bulgaria...etc. Anyway, bro, check out my video on Italian DNA... I think you might find it interesting. See the whole thing if you can. Cool stuff...and facts...and music, etc. Let me know what you think. It's at /watch?v=Z5SuE0s6BJI
HistoryArchiver 5 months ago
yeniçeri neymiş bi araştırın
mataramasuko100 1 year ago
Based on the data of the DNA genealogy, a concept was formulated and substantiated that in the ancient times, until the middle of the 1st millennium BC, two linguistic fields - the Türkic (Proto-Türkic) and Indo-European, the languages of the haplogroups R1b and R1a respectively, dominated in turns the whole Eurasia reaching the Atlantic Ocean. With a time difference of 1-2 thousand years,
ruh1000 1 year ago
There is no scientific evidence linking some languages to certain DNA haplogorups. This claim has no proven scientific backing.One of Pseudo-science fiction theories which is specialty of Turanist ideology.
Scientist and archeologist still do not know the answer but looks like Turanist fiction writers solved this problem too...
orkunful 1 year ago
@orkunful It naturally does not happen that both sides were so mistaken. This article attempts to show that both sides are correct, each on its own half. As states the famous saying attributed variously to A.Einstein or I. Newton, “The Nature is cunning, but not malicious.” And here the nature has played a cunning joke with the linguists. It seems that the two Caucasoid brotherly lines, R1a1 and R1b1, that came about 50-40 thousand years ago to the Eastern European Plain as a single branch
ruh1000 1 year ago
@ruh1000
If you want to talk about pure Turkic DNA haplogroup that probably linked to the Turkic language speakers. Evidence is stronger for DNA haplogroup N.
R1 haplogroups are rather sophisticated if you try to link a language branch. It would be more correct to link them to Slavic and Germanic languages but this is also hard to prove. Linguists and Archeologist still struggling to find correct answer.
R1 haplogrups are European and/or Slavic origin. Archeological and genetic evidences clear.
orkunful 1 year ago
@ruh1000
speaking a language does not determine your biological origin. Many African countries speak English or French...It does not make them British or French.
Language and cultural shift happens in front of our eyes even now. Anatolia was one of the first Christian lands and changed this identity in a very short time frame and became Muslim.
Did you know that between 1930 and 1960 about 3000 village names changed to Turkish? People forced to practice Islam and forbid do speak own language.
orkunful 1 year ago 2
@ruh1000
Slavic migartion to Central Asia during late glacial maximum is well known also archeologically. Central Asian population is slavic + mongoloid hybrid race. Mummies of fair-haired Caucasian people were found in the Tarim Basin, the oldest of which date back to 1800 BCE. The modern inhabitants of the Tarim Basin, belong both to this R1b-M73 subclade (about 20%) and to R1a1 (about 30%). R1a1 could be Indo-Iranian origin (approx. 2000 BCE), or nomadic Scytho-Iranian (after 700 BCE)
orkunful 1 year ago
@orkunful These haplogroups are non existent in Middle Eastern or Near Eastern populations. Haplogroup Q is shared by Siberians, Altaians and Native Americans whereas haplogroup R is predominant in Krgyz and other Turkic groups in Central Asia as well as being present in European populations. Haplogroup G is dominant in the Caucasus. These three lineages are mostly absent in Sephardic Jews. Q, R and G haplogroups together constitute a total of 33.8% of all the Ashkenazi Y-DNA
ruh1000 11 months ago
@orkunful Despite these results not being properly discussed in the Ashkenazim, it is clear that Turkic Khazars were a significant founding group of today's Ashkenazim men. The majority of Ashkenazim men are still from the Middle East with haplogroups J and E forming the majority. Nevertheless it is clear that there exists a significant Turkic contribution to the Ashkenazi Jewry.
ruh1000 11 months ago
@ruh1000 this is not true.Turkic khazars-todays name kipçak karaims are not jews or askenaizes.fact 1-karaimisim is a sect that only accepts old testament there are 50.000 in world -karaims accept 3 prophets,fact 3-a karaim must be any etnicity not semitic -in istanbul there are greek karaims for instance fact 4-kırım karays are 2000 people fact 5-they were not sent nazi kamps bec they are not semits in 1939 . fact 6-a karaim cannot get married to a Jew bec jews accept Talmud ,karaims dont
kelRapunzel 9 months ago
Unfortunately it supports the theory that I been thinkin on, for a long time.
I've tried to bury that idea to the deepest point of my mind but it's on the surface again.. And I think it's time for us to face to truth..
DeaconFFrost 1 year ago
arkadasim merhaba,
"DNA Haplogroup distribution in Turkey " isimli videon icin sana kisisel olarak tesekkur etmek istedim. Benim yillarca dusunerek,mantigim yoluyla vardigim bir kanaati,sen bilimsel olarak cok guzel aciklamissin.
BithyniaKingdom 1 year ago
@Rstepanyan All human kind spreaded to earth from Africa. So we all african.
Nightrain80 1 year ago
Bizleri farslara calayirlar, sizleri yunanlara. Gunumuze baxin, gardaslar...
There are no pure nations in the world , all nations, icluding Greeks, Armenians, Russians, Italians , Chinese and others, are mixed. The determinant factors are the language and national identity.
Vatancin 1 year ago 12
this dna test is aproof that turks dont exist anymore...the dna in south italy greece and turkey are neraly he same...and this is the proof that greeks DNA is in south italy greece and westturkey..we are right if we say greece is not oinly in Greece...hink over it..the truks were not ina europe or minor asia before 1100..the first were alparslan and the selchuks.... never before..only persians were in minor asia and europe.
Kerasounta 1 year ago
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ohmynutella 1 year ago
turks are not mongol they like us syrian exactly we have same face and same food and sweet and same nature and climate our roots belong to anciet syria ,semitic and greco roman mixed with some effect form arabs coz we ruled by arabs wherefore we are muslim & speak arabic. so turkish people ruled by turks wherefore they speak turkish
turks and kurds and armenian and greeks and syrian (syria & lebanon) all those people are mixed with each other (not pure race) longlive turkey
from syria
leader44747 1 year ago
There are thousands of hidden Armenians in Turkey, whose haplogroup is European R, hence it is being wrongly attributed to "Turks"...
BeautySavesWorld 1 year ago
Merak ettim, Ispanya ve Portekizle benzerlik varmi bizim dna olarak?
MidnightLaw01 1 year ago
@fretfrek i live in germany and the armenians here all look different ! the turkish armenians look like turks the persian armenians look like persians and the armenians from armenia look like armenia armenians :) so this means they are all mixed
antiibnee 1 year ago
@fretfrek armenians also have mixed with turks kurds persians greeks and so on dont act like armenians are pure !
antiibnee 1 year ago
That means that everyone should just stop fighting and wake up. ALL humans are mixed and interrelated! We should stop listening to reptile politicians and educate ourselves. If we take the so-called "logic" of these racialists to it's most extreme it means that blonde Turks in Turkey should take up arms against more asian and "oriental" looking Turks in Turkey. Silly B.S. and dangerous.
heyzog 1 year ago
That means that everyone should just stop fighting and wake up. ALL humans are mixed and interrelated! We should stop listening to reptile politicians and educate ourselves. If we take this so-called "logic" to it's most extreme it means that blonde Turks in Turkey should take up arms against more asian and "oriental" looking Turks in Turkey. Silly B.S. and dangerous.
heyzog 1 year ago
Hunlar va Avarlarin Japon Denizinden Ispanyaya kadar at kosturduklari ve her milletten kiz aldiklari ; Gokturk,Hazar ve Osmanlilarin komsu devletlere gelin verdikleri bilinmektedir. Genetik olarak Avrupa ve Asyanin hepsi Turk olsa ne olur..
Bu sebeble "Ne Mutlu Turkum Diyene!".
CaliTurk34 1 year ago
Turks are the people of Anatolia who had lived in Anatolia for thousands of years. They are a people mixed, Persian/Greek/Arab/Armenian/Syrian/Roman and others.
So big deal, the Ottomans came from Asia and converted them from Byzantines to Muslims. Either way, Turks are related to the Mediterranean stock. We should stop fighting!!!
AVIATIO 1 year ago 5
@AVIATIO
Turks came to Anatolia only 700 years ago, ancient ppl of Anatolia whose heritage, history, ppl Turks have been stelaing for 700 years are Armenians and Greeks
BeautySavesWorld 1 year ago
@AVIATIO
You may go to jail....for saying that.
Just kidding.....
My family also seems to be "really" Turkish, but we do not have a Turkish ethnic nor national identity.
When my son was little, and whenever I had to drive through Chinatown, he'd start pestering me with: "Mom, why does nana look like Chinese". Then I started thinking about my grandfather's stories about his ancestral origin....and looking into the ethnogenesis of my other grandfather's region....and it all came together.
SadieMirsade 1 year ago
@AVIATIO from where source you say the turk seen anatolia befor11 ADcentry(The Turk migration as defined in this article was the expansion of the Turk peoples across most of Central Asia into Europe & the Midle East between the 6th&11th centuries AD(Tribes less certainly identified as Turkic began their expansion centuries earlier as the predominant element of the Huns.Their prehistoric point of origin was the hypothetical Proto-Turkic region of the Far East including North China &inner mongolia
goran21715 4 months ago
yeah true. Turkish are more related to europian, armenian people!
I dont understand why turkish claim that they are related to central asian people....
MGLomerta 1 year ago
Avrupanın araştırmaları .Şaşmamak lazım
Tengri89 1 year ago
@Tengri89
Dogrusunu kendin arastir ve bilim yap. Bu arastirmalar Türkiyedeki adli TIP kurumlarinda çalisan bilim adamlarinca yapilmistir. Benzeri arastirmalar dünyanin heryerindeki toplumlar üzerinde yapiliyor.
Bana somut ve elle tutulur bilimsel veriye dayanir Turanist bir iddia göster. Hepsi uydurma palavra efsaneler...bilimsellikten tamamen uzak.
orkunful 1 year ago
@orkunful Hangi bilim adamı ? Hangi araştırma . 75 m insanada yapmıslarmı dna testi ?
Turanist iddia sacmalık mı ? Ben şuan Allahın sibiryasındaki yakut Türkünü anlayabiliyorsam bu ideolojinin mantığı için yeterlidir.
Uyuz olduğumun konu yeni türemiş olmanız . kürtçüsü yunancısı yetmedi birde ayrancı yoğurtcu anadolucu cıktı basımıza .
Tengri89 1 year ago
@Tengri89
Bilimde insanla inek arasindaki farki anlamak için 5 milyar insana test yapilmaz. Bunum bilimsel metodolojileri var. Bu nedenle Üniversitelre kurulmuski millet okuyup ögrensin diye.
Afrikanin en köhne noktasindaki bir adamda bir Fransizi anlayabilyor. Bu o Afrikali adamcagizi Fransizmi yapiyor? Buna Amerika kitasinda ispanyolca konusan yerli halkda dahil. Onlar ispanyolmu oluyorla dili konustuklari için? Turanist ideoloji bir efsanedei Anadolu bir gerçektir! Vatan ANADOLU!
orkunful 1 year ago
@orkunful Sen şaka mı yaptın bana ? Allahın afrikalısına fransızca öğretirsen fransızca konuşur . 100 lerce yıldır Sibirya ile Türkiye arasında ne alaka var . Senin vatanın anadolu olabilir . Yunan yada ermeni kökenlisindir . Yada kürtsündür . Kendini Türk olarak adlandırmazsın bu beni ilgilendirmez. Ama bir avrupa tabanlı bi dna testiyle Türkiyenin %25 i şu % 30 bu diyemezsin . anladınmı arkadaşım ?
Tengri89 1 year ago
@Tengri89
Tarih oku biraz anlarsin...yazdikça kendi yazdiklarinla ters düsüyorsun. Yazdiklarini biraz düsünürsen benim söylediklerimi baska sekilde tekrarladigin görürüsün.
Türkiye`de Türk yoktur diyen yok..az miktarda gelenlerde 1000 sene önce gelmis...gerisini Google arama motoruna turkification yazarak oku. Sana kitap yazacak vaktim yeterince yok.
orkunful 1 year ago
@orkunful Ters düşmüyorum Ben bağnaz yada beyni yıkanmış bir insan değilim okurum öğrenirim düşünçelerim değişir . Basma kalıp kelimelerde kullanmıyorum
Sende dedin Bu 1000 sene önce gelen halk bu halk o kadar baskınmış ki demek biz onların dilini konuşuyoruz onların kültürünü kullanıyoruz . Türkleştirmekten bahsetmen için belli bir azınlığın büyük bir halk arasında kaybolması lazım . Şimdi bu zıt oldu Gelen az sayıda Türk diğer halklar arasında kaybolması lazım .
Tengri89 1 year ago
@Tengri89
Google arama motoruna Turkification yaz ve birkaç gün oku. 1000 sene önce gelen orta asya kökenliler çok iyi asker ve yönetici olmalari nedeniyle Anadoluyu çok kisa sürede denetimleri altina almislar. Anadoludaki halk zaten Bizansdaki entrikalar, yolsuzluklar ve vergi baskilarindan Bizansin son dönemlerinde bikmis. Bu nedenle yeni gelenlere destek bile olmuslar. Istanbulun fethinde hem Istanbul içinden hemde istanbul disindan Ermeniler Osmanliya destek olmus.
orkunful 1 year ago
@Tengri89
Osmanli Ermenilere neden özel statü verdi zannediyorsun? En önemli nedenlerinden biri Itsanbulun fethinde Ermenilerin Osmanliya yardimlaridir. Bu bilgi bize okullarda ögretilmiyor. Türk tarih kitaplari düzmece ve özel siparisle yazilmis yalan bilgilerle dolu.
orkunful 1 year ago
@Tengri89
Ermeni halk arasinda bile Türkllüge geçen ve müslüman olanlar var. Bu insanlar Orta Anadoluda çok yogun...
orkunful 1 year ago
@orkunful profiline bakarak söylüyorum entrüsklerin miti Orta asya Türk mitinin aynısıdır . Dnaları Türk dnasıdır . Anadolunun Türk yurdu olması 1000 yıl öncesine değil 1000lerce yıl öncesine başlıyor tezine kanıttır bu .Ayrıca Anadoludaki halkın yüzde 60 i 70 i Türk olması lazımdır ki diğer halklar bu kitlenin arasında asimile olsun Buda Türkiyede %5 10 Türk var uydurmasına en basit karşı tezdir .
Son olarak yazdıklarımı istanbulun fethindeki ermenilere nasıl bağladın helal olsun :)
Tengri89 1 year ago
@Tengri89
Sen iyice uçtun...ayni palavralari sözde bilim adami ünvanli Turanist Proflarda yapiyor. Ertrusklar isadan önce yaklasik 3000 sene önce (toplam 5000 sene) önceki bir uygarlik. Genetik testler Anadoluda Lidya antik uygarligi bölgesinden gittiklerin gösteriyor Italyaya. Tüm Avrupanin saygin üniversiteleri ve yapilan DNA testleri bunu destekliyor. Türklükle zerre kadar alakasi yok bu etrusk köken konusunun. Ama andolu kökenli olduklari dogru. O dönemlerde Anadoluda Türk yoktu.
orkunful 1 year ago
@Tengri89
tengri sallama be birader. Türklerin anadoluya yerleşmesi 1071 managirit ondan önce gözenleride sayarsak 1000lerde falan ilk türkler anadoluya girmiştir.
TheBlindPowerslave 1 year ago
@orkunful Do you know something about the greek pontian dna??
In my opinion we look like the turks from Karadeniz and Laz people.
Thanks
23HELLASGIRL 1 year ago
@23HELLASGIRL
There is no typical one type of Pontian DNA but the DNA haplogroup that is most common in Karadeniz is also found in highest rates in Caucasus (Georgia and so on). Some old Anatolian Y-DNA haplogroup is also common in Karadeniz. You can say that Karadeniz people are most native to the region.
orkunful 1 year ago
@orkunful Can you tell me the most common haplogroups of karadeniz and caucasus??Maybe J2??
Anatolian Y-DNA??hmmm...yes that could really be true!!!
I personally look anatolian!!!
Most people ask me if I am from Iran or Turkey!!!
23HELLASGIRL 1 year ago
@23HELLASGIRL
Majority of male population up to 35% in Turkey is J2. It is very common also in Balkans, Greece, Creeta and Mediterranean region. If you want to find out paternal line male members of your family should take a Y-DNA test (father or brother or uncle).
You are most probably belong to Anatolian stock but phenotype is a different issue. Your appearance is not determined by mt-DNA or Y-DNA. DNA haplogroups can only show where your ancestors are coming from.
orkunful 1 year ago
That means Turks,Greeks and the others are something like brothers or cousins?When you say anatolian.....do you mean etruscans?
23HELLASGIRL 1 year ago
@23HELLASGIRL
Yes..you can say that...We are genetically as close as brothers...being Greek or Turkish is a recent identity for us...before that Anatolians were Phyrigian, Lydian, Lycian, Galatian, Hatitian, Sumerian....Helens etc...etc...later we accepted Greek or Turkish identity.
This process called Ethnic shift..we change ethnic identify bur genes are not changing..biologically we are belong to same stock of people...
orkunful 1 year ago
@orkunful
Do we also know something about the pelasgians?
Wow!!Very interesting!
I believe that especially religion gave us greek or turkish identity!
Do you believe ancient greeks were also anatolians?
In my opinion THEY WERE ANATOLIANS and NOT EUROPEANS!
23HELLASGIRL 1 year ago
@23HELLASGIRL
Anatolia is one of the gene and culture source of Europe...as you know Europe is relatively young compared to Anatolia. They learned farming and agriculture from Anatolian's, trade from Phonetician....including their alphabet....
Ancient Greeks were native Anatolian's....in worse case majority of them were Anatolian origin...at least archeological evidences very clear about that,
orkunful 1 year ago
@orkunful Wrong.Ancient Greece was a melting pot.Pelasgians were came from Levant and ultimately from Egypt.Minoans came from Mesopotamia via Anatolia. Mycenaeans came from what's now Ukraine followed by Macedonians and Thracians.Dorians, who arrived last came from an area north east of the Black sea.
Anatolians were cousins of Minoans also related to Trojans(Hittites) who were Indo-European.
Anatolia and Asia Minor in general served as a bridge between Europe and Mesopotamia.
joakeimmcgrath 1 year ago
@Tengri89 adin tengri, bunun eski turkcede anlami tanri'dir bu demekki senin kafan asyali turklerde kaldi. Yazdiklarini okuduguma gore sen orkunful'un dediklerini ya anlamiorsun yada anlamamazliktan geliorsun. Turkiyedeysen disariya cik bir yuru, insanlarin suratini gor ve onlar orta asyadanmi geldi yada turkiyenin eski milletinemi benziyor sen soyle. Ben turkum, bundanda gurur duyuyorum, ama genetik olarak orta asya dan gelmedim ben, ve turk olmak genetik le alakasi bile yoktur. okadar basit..
romeofire87 1 year ago
@Tengri89
Anadoluculuk vatan hainliği değil vatanseverliktir. Yasadığımız ve kökenimizin geldiği topraklara anavatanım demek hainlik olamaz. Aksini iddia edenler faşisttir. Kahrolsun Faşizm!!!
orkunful 1 year ago
Also the video which I watched on my results page on genographic project sight says that it is very likely that I might have Russian ancestry. So I am not sure man. All I know is that I am from Turkey and I am racially very mixed as my mother side immigrated from Crete during the population excahnge and my dad's sight from Kavala, Macedonia.
oliveparadise 1 year ago
@oliveparadise
Crete and Macedonia was under the rule of Ottomans almost 500 years. It is possible that your ancestors migrated to those areas.
You inherit your Y-DNA only from your father not from your mother. You get your mt_DNA from your mother.
If your Y-DNA haplogroup is N...It shows that your father side is originated from Central Asia or Altai region. We are talking about several thousands of years.
Altai region where Yakut Turks live is in Russian territory at the moment.
orkunful 1 year ago
@oliveparadise
Russians are Slavic and majority of them are Y-Haplogroup R1a.
Y-DNA halpogroup N is more specific to Siberia, Altia region and Central Asia. Y-DNA haplogroup N is highest among Yakut Turks with more than 85%. It is common also among Tatars. It is definetly not a slavic DNA haplogroup.
orkunful 1 year ago
@oliveparadise Crete Turks are Greek root. Cypriot Turks are turkic root (mostly).
ottoman didnt send villages and families from public to move to crete. only government people, soldiers etc went and it was quite few. crete muslims are also considered as greek muslim in greece. cypriots are not. but I guess cypriots must be greek mix too.
aslizz 1 year ago
@aslizz do you know something about the people from Black Sea and the greek pontians??
I think they look the same.
Laz people also do!
23HELLASGIRL 1 year ago
Plus I can tell you that based on my physical features there is no mongoloid evidence or trait, I have pretty fair skin for a Turk and green eyes. Its the same case with Fins, they are Eurpeans even with that high percentage of this haplogroup.
oliveparadise 1 year ago
@oliveparadise
Y-DNA and mt-DNA do not determine your look at all. People always confuse with that. Those markers are for determining your DNA ancestry. To be more precise it shows only your origin which goes back thousand of years.
Y-DNA haplogroup N is around 15000 years old.
orkunful 1 year ago
hey guys, just a question out of curiosity... I participated in the genographic project and found out that my y haplogroup is haplogroup N which is only %3 in Turkey. Any suggestions on how my ancestors have ended up in Turkey concerning my haplogroup?
oliveparadise 1 year ago
@oliveparadise
DNA haplogroup is most common among Altaic Turks specifically in Yakut Turks. It is also found among other Central Asian Turkic countries.
Apparently your ancestors arrived to Anatolia around 10th century.
orkunful 1 year ago
@orkunful
Plus I can tell you that based on my physical features there is no mongoloid evidence or trait, I have pretty fair skin for a Turk and green eyes. Its the same case with Fins, they are Eurpeans even with that high percentage of this haplogroup.
oliveparadise 1 year ago
@orkunful My grandparents(fathers parents) came from Karadeniz(we are pontians) to Greece at 1923.
Greeks and Turks from Karadeniz look the same!!
I am sure we are brothers!
Can you tell me something about our DNA?
23GREEKGIRL 1 year ago
@23GREEKGIRL
Greek. Turks and Armenians are genetically closely related. Kurds are very different and more close to Iranians. Y-DNA haplogroups G and certain J2 subclades are more specific to Anatolia, Greece, Creete and Balkans. It is not wrong to speculate that those people are grand children of ancient anatolian civilisations.
You should make a DNA test. If you have a brother or your father is alive I recommend you do the test both. You can find out origin of both mother and father side.
orkunful 1 year ago
@oliveparadise
I have a short video regarding on Y-DNA haplogroup N. You can have a look at it.
orkunful 1 year ago
@orkunful
I see your point but from my research of Halogroup N, it is also very common in Fins rising up to %60 as well as other Baltic countries. So this high concentration of Northern Europe might imply that it is not exactly an Asian haplogroup but more so mixed like haplogroup R1b which is found in Europe as well as in Asia.
oliveparadise 1 year ago
@oliveparadise
People are moving around the world since early history. R1b is slavic and highest among Slavs with up to 70%. It arrived to Central Asia during late glacial maximum. Its presence in central Asia shows that central asians and slavs had contact.
For example you see Y-DNA haplogroup J2 also in Asia but it does not change the fact that it is a Mesopotamian. It arrived there by neolithic farmers.
So same rule applies to Y-DNA haplogroup N. It is more Eurasian than pure Asian.
orkunful 1 year ago
Good, I've always thought that the Turks of today were the descendants of the ancient Hittites, Pontians and Romans, with some genetic input from the Balkans and perhaps from the far east as well.
Long live Ataturk by the way.
joseffritzlismydaddy 1 year ago
@kaiserarab
For your info J2 is at least 20.000 years old...there were no so called Arab bustards on those dates...
orkunful 1 year ago
@kaiserarab
You should read more about DNA haplogroup J2 from wikipedia...do not speak from your ass....
orkunful 1 year ago
@kaiserarab
You still do not want to get it...J is not an Arab DNA. There is no such thing...J1 and F haplogroups are more common among Arabs. J1 is minor in Turkey and more common among Arabs and Kurds in South East of Tukey. J2 is more central Anatolian and northern in Turkey. Majority of Turks are J2...It is common also in Greek, Italy, Balkans and coastal regions of Mediterranean.
orkunful 1 year ago
Haplogroup J2 is mainly found in Central south Turkey. It is mostly like the marker of the Native Anatolians and Assyrians. J1 is mainly found among the Arab population in Turkey and of course Turks of Turkey mixed with Arabs, the Ottomans ruled the Middle-East for a long time.
Garudaa2 1 year ago
@Garudaa2 J1 is found at a significant amount in the caucuses, this is not due to influence of Arabs. J is a Semitized Haplogroup, E is a Semitic Haplogroup. We do not know what language J and I haplogroup people spoke, It was most likely to have been Caucasian or Dravidian.
47saeed 1 year ago
recently i joined nat geo genealogy project. to be honest, im surprised im hablogroup c which is mongolian-turkic gene. i expected a mixture but immoreproud of myself now. to be relative of ghenghis khan... and a very rare dna group in turkey.
spiderleg234 1 year ago
@spiderleg234
Thanks for sharing this interseting information here. Where are you from? Are you from Turkey?
Y-DNA haplogroup C is very common in Asia. It has 6 subtypes (C1 to C6). Did you take sub-typing test? It can be very interesting and more informative. You can find your exact ancestors.
orkunful 1 year ago
im turkish origin and living in uk.
they didnt tell me the subtype as i expected.
insteadt they said im haplogroup M216. and carry the following group M168-P143_M130. ive been told the more info they have got with research, they will be able to tell about my dna and ancestry more.
i started to search in google about haplogroup C and there are only three percent in turkey. and ım one of them as an invader LOL
spiderleg234 1 year ago
im originally turk and living in uk.
they told me the subtypes as M216 and following Y markes found, M168-P143-M130.
im searching about haplogroup C and found out there are only 3 percent in turkey. ıts amazing that im one of them as im not nationalist at all.
spiderleg234 1 year ago
@spiderleg234
those M-types are conforming the SP mutations altogether that you are DNA haplogroup C. Your subclade mutated approx. 50.000 yrs ago from Y-DNA haplo CF.
If I were you I would take more typing test to find out if you are C1, C2...or C6. There are 6 subtypes and their geographical locations differ. If you are from Turkey it is very likely that you are Mongolian-Turkic and your ancestors arrived during the Mongol invasions after 11th century to Anatolia...
orkunful 1 year ago
Y haplogroup J2 is native to Anatolia; these people were the first farmers and followed the rain and ended up as far as Germany and India. We do not know what language they spoke but it was not Semitic, Indo-European or Turkish. You do not need genetics to show Turks are not from central Asia, you simply need a mirror.
47saeed 1 year ago
Kurds have a long history. They were in the region at least 2400 years ago, and are mentioned by Xenophon. It is not known if they are actually Iranian. Their language is Iranic, but the Kurds may have been, like some peoples in the Caucasus and the Basques in the Pyrennes, an autochothonous people, from out of prehistoric times in the same land.
Albacorewing 1 year ago
An interesting video. Any Turk in Turkey will tell you that the previous tenants of Anatolia generally never left. They married the newcomers. A country with a like situation is Spain, which a slew of peoples settled in. And Latin was not the first language of Spain. As for the Turks, a Turk is a person who loves Turkish institutions and identity----it is cultural more than by genetic origin.
Albacorewing 1 year ago
people of anatolia embraced islam between the 8th century and 16th century. the process was very strong in the 13th century when millions got islam. the ones that accepted islam called them turkish because the very first muslims who brought islam to turkey were turkic warriors and darvishes of abbasi khilafet. the converted called themselves as turkish and left their languages because they are the languages of christianity.
tuzluksal 2 years ago
20% of Turkey is Kurdish , Kurds are a Iranian tribe.
ozzieISLAM 2 years ago
I think the Kurds and Turks are rather too polarized politically. If I ran Turkey, the Kurds would be welcome to use their own spoken language amongst themselves, but to get ahead ithe Kurd fellow would need to learn Turkish, especially in schools and for official documents. I think the Turks restrict the Kurds too much but the Kurds fail to note that there cannot ever be a totally independent Kurdistan. Geography is the reason why; the Kurds are an INLAND people.
Albacorewing 1 year ago
turks are mixture of kurds laz cerkez greeks albanians people daer no pure turkish race in turkey
lazoni1900 2 years ago
im Kurd, I look more like White Indians(not dravidians) with large eyes and oliv skinn. I have not done any DNA Test but will do, not many people look like me. For me Kurds are 3 groupes: R1a People who look like Pakistanis and afew Persians with large eyes. J2 Kurds who are Mesopotamians and Kurdified, and We have less than 10% Mongolid Kurds with monglid face and eyes. Kurdish Culture and language is indo-europian like greek or balkanian.
KourdishBoy18 2 years ago
HAHAH did you just say you (KURDISH) "Culture and language is indo-europian like greek or balkanian"
HAHAHAHA thats all
OzNoble 2 years ago
@OzNoble Kurds are a Iranian people, they speak a langauge that is very similar to other Iranian langauges like Persian,Lur,Balochi. In turn their Languages are in the same group as Indo-Europeans. Their culture is also similar to Persians and other Iranians. Kurds even look like Persians.
Garudaa2 1 year ago
Turks or turks people are caucasian people. Asians of iindia and central asians are caucasian people. But some got mixed in with mongoloid people cuz they were neihboring countries.
KoreanNoMore 2 years ago
Turks are european...
mongolANDtamerlane 2 years ago
please watch
watch?v=zy329hpwZEQ
and compare same, different elements Uyghur dna and Turk dna
davud1112 2 years ago
The video documentray that presented in that video is showing/proving the contact of Eropean race with the Asians (inter racial mixture).
This documentary has nothing to do with being Turkic ...It can be more proper to watch the original video in full to get the correct message.
orkunful 2 years ago
@orkunful, I agreed with you 100%.
QueenOfClutter2009 2 years ago
Those areas of Central Asia was meeting point of European and Asian races. DNA studies shows this contact and interracial mixture. This contact occurred during late glacial maximum and in recent history because of the silk road.
Late glacial maximum was the time that human populations forced into refuge areas as a result of climatic conditions.
orkunful 2 years ago
The Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, was part of the Silk Road and there was Sino-Roman contact as early as the time of Caesar Augustus.
If there is a European influence, it would be from Roman Imperium people. Many in and around that area claim descent from Romans too.
orkunful 2 years ago
Türkiye avcı toplayıcılıktan insanların medeniyete geçtikleri yer, asıl üzücü ve ironik olan ataları bu devrimin merkezinde bulunmuş insanların asyalı göçmenlerin devamı olduklarını düşünmeleri. Hem dini reflekslerle Avrupalılar hem de bizdeki dini temelli milliyetçiler, Türkleri asıl köklerine yabancılaştırmak konusunda işbirliği yapıyorlar, Türki kimliğine sahip olduğumuzu savunuyorlar.
utkua 2 years ago
The ancient Thracian and Anatolian elements to Turkey's history are important. The nations of Anatolia have developed over time. They are now united as Turks (and some Kurds) but the history of development should studied and known. The Turkic element of Turkey's origin exists and matters but there are a lot of other elements to the story also.
I wonder if there are any statues of the ancient kings and figures of Anatolia in Turkey? That would be cool to see.
Mistshroudedcove 2 years ago 4
Even some Hittite laws are in use in Anatolia as "TÖRE", for instance "man marring his brothers wife if he passes away." The sculptures from Hitties show that even clothing, the dressing style in rual anatolia is almost same as the Hittites. You do not see if you do not look, it is the explanation of all this nonsense.
utkua 2 years ago
There is more that you can dream about! Kurds came to Anatolia in the years of 1000 before that they had been living in Iran. There has been found carpets with Turkish motives on.. It has been thru carbon test and the result is: 8000 age old. The most interesting thing is that the same motives can be found in central asia were the Turks live & sibirea even in the old indian tribes in America!
jelijeli1905 2 years ago
Your claims are complete fiction. Majority of Kurds are native to Mesopotamia. Some of them may be migrated from Iran to the region so nobody can deny that.
Regarding on your carpet theory: Do you know Silk Road? or are you ignoring it?
Central Asia was part of the Silk Road and there was Sino-Roman contact as early as the time of Caesar Augustus. Many in and around that area claim descent from Romans too. If your claim is true you can guess where and how your carpet ended-up in Anatolia.
orkunful 2 years ago
The carpet theory is not mine and I dont tell you that because its true or something just because I thought it was a interesting issue.
jelijeli1905 2 years ago
Those theories such as "carpet theory" are manufactured by Turanian propagandists to put our genetic origin to central Asia. This is an organised crime that those Turanians are practising past 80 years.
Knowing our real origins will not damage the unity of Turkey at all...
orkunful 2 years ago
@orkunful @orkunful My grandparents(fathers parents) came from Karadeniz(we are pontians) to Greece at 1923.
Greeks and Turks from Karadeniz look the same!!
I am sure we are brothers!
Can you tell me something about our DNA?
23GREEKGIRL 1 year ago
@Mistshroudedcove
More then you want. There are lots of old artifacts from ancient empire's all over Turkey.
insectism 1 year ago
@Mistshroudedcove there is "the dying gaul", try googling it. I was astonished of how close he looks to the stereotypical turkish anatolian male.
witeNshine 1 year ago
Turks could consider themselves successors (sort of like the French are to Franks and Celts) to the various nations and kingdoms of Anatolia (and Eastern Thrace) such as Hittites, Pontus (remember Mithridates), Galatia, Thracians (part of it), Lydia, Phyrgia, and others. Perhaps elements of some of these past nations and cultures could be revived?
They also have ties to Greeks and Armenians (although relations are perhaps a problem at the present). Very interesting cultures.
Mistshroudedcove 2 years ago 3
I believe in this !!
Ahakim66 2 years ago
Example of haplogroups in an Asian country: China.
VivalaChina 2 years ago
Y-SNP haplogroups in China:
Haplogroup O3: About 50% to 70% of Chinese males belong to haplogroup O3,some areas even reach 80%.Haplogroup O is almost absent in Central Asia and Europe.
VivalaChina 2 years ago
Turks are not East Asians,you guys look completely different from Mongolians,Chinese,Koreans or Japanese.
VivalaChina 2 years ago
Recent genetics research indicates that the Turkic peoples originated from Central Asia and therefore are possibly related with Xiongnu. A majority (89%) of the Xiongnu sequences can be classified as belonging to an Asian haplogroups and nearly 11% belong to European haplogroups.
Athenaikos 2 years ago
This study you quoted is mentioning about Turkic people not the people of Turkey....It is 2 different things...
Article continues as following:
This finding indicates that the contacts between European and Asian populations were anterior to the Xiongnu culture, and it confirms results reported for two samples from an early 3rd century B.C.
orkunful 2 years ago
Guys do not waste your time with these bullshits cause noone on the earth give shit about creating Turan,you know why?
Because everythng related to economic situations and political benefits,for example: Kazakhistan has good economy such as petrol and gas-Do you think Kazakhistan can create union with poor Ozbeks or Kyrgiz?
Even though Turkey`s economy much bigger than any of them in Asia(if u consider them as a 1 state!)
I do not think so-Turkey MUST eliminate terrorist near the Iraq border!
dontfeelpain 2 years ago
Related or not, the original ethnicity of the peoples of Anatolia (now called the turks) has been erased by the Asiatic peoples who enforced their culture and language upon these people. With all the subsequent consequences like the Armenian Genocide etc... You guys should really figure out who you are soon, cause we are tired being an enemy to people who genetically are very similar to us.
PeopleOfAr 2 years ago
turks of Turkey are definately not related to asians anymore.I mean most of our people look like eastern european,caucasian and middle eastern.The ones who have a asian look have turkmen or kazak roots not Turkish.
ESeskisehirsporTR 2 years ago
@ESeskisehirsporTR Ataturk have Yörük Turkmen roots you shithead brainwashed,
DenizTurk94 1 year ago
we turks were not asian
turkic people have %80 european dna
turkic people (azeri tatar turks turkman kırgız uygur chuvash )
nolurqitme 2 years ago
you are a fascist and dont want to hear that.Most of the Turks even dont want to be asian no one of my friend ssay that he is asian....you cant be turk from turkey if you feel asian.
AlbanianHeadhunter 2 years ago
He is a rare case and not representing the general population in Turkey..
Those are Turanist idiots with a fake ID that they think they are Asian (funny group of people).
orkunful 2 years ago
yes i know.Turks have mannyy diffrent genes you can see mediterran white,nordic light,eastern brown its a verry nice mix.
AlbanianHeadhunter 2 years ago 5
Reference Medical Journal
Human Genetics
Year: 2004
Reports the following for Turkish Y-DNA samples: *The major components (haplogroups E3b, G, J, I, L, N, K2, and R1; 94.1%) are shared with European and neighboring Near Eastern populations* and contrast with only a minor share of haplogroups related to Central Asian (C, Q and O; 3.4%), Indian (H, R2; 1.5%) and African (A, E3*, E3a; 1%) affinity.
orkunful 2 years ago
Reference Medical Journal
Human Genetics
Year: 2004
Reports the following:
94.1% of the DNA found in Turkish Y chromosome samples is shared with European and neighboring Near Eastern populations. So there is no special motif or Turkish DNA. And this finding is explained by the closing sentence; "the variety of Turkish haplotypes is witness to Turkey being both an important source and recipient of gene flow".
orkunful 2 years ago
You are mixing up again. Being Kurdish or Armenian is a ethnic identity...I have no problem with speculations that trying to explain where those cultures born...
The point here is their genetic origin...DNA-haplogroups of those prople show that they were in the area for thousands of years...they even share same DNA haplogroups with hattis, hethits. Ethnic identiy is somethingelse and it does not correlate with genetic origin.
orkunful 2 years ago
.thanks for informing on the genetic origin of turks of Turkey..but, really it doesn't take a brainer to know that..just look in the mirror and you will see that you don't look like genghis khan..we, in Turkey realize that the majority of us pretty much look like our neighbors but orkunful..DNA MEANS VERY LITTLE! genetically I am half yugo..i know that for a fact . but you see it doesn't matter I am 100% turkish therefore a member of "Turk" just like an azeri, a kazakh, an uighur or an uzbek
efsun06 2 years ago
Ethnic origin and genetic origin are like an apple and potato. This video shows you the genetic evidence that up to 90% of population in Turkey is not related to Central Asian Turkic tribes genetically...thats all...
orkunful 2 years ago
Well in that case, I prefer the "apple" not the "potato" ;-)
efsun06 2 years ago
orkunful, to make it short..i neither look at my genes nor feel closer to a slav, a greek or an armenian..i speak turkish, live in a turkish culture, share common history and religion with the rest of the turks and I don't like "these people" who divide "us" by clouding the waters..you know what I mean! saying things like"there are no Turks in Turkey" crap! I heard it before and too many times!
efsun06 2 years ago
My sources are pure scientific medical journals... They are all most recent and accurate information...
I do not collect my data from non-scientific speculative sources at all.
IGENEA is a commercial source..the biggest mistake they make is they name some DNA haplogroups as a Turkic...Those haplogroups are very common in South East Eruope, Mediterranean, Balkan countries in France and Spain too.
There is no Turkic DNA haplogroup. If somebody claims so it is not scientifically true.
orkunful 2 years ago
DNA haplogroup J2 is one of the major in Turkey and up to 25% of population have its subclades. It is originated from DNA haplogroup J about 18000 years ago.
It is subclades are key and determines recent ancestry. Some J2 subclades are linked to ancient Greeks and Minoans.
I) have to underline that Y-DNA haplogorup J2 has 25 subclades.
orkunful 2 years ago
I have no problem with that.... description of Mesopotamia includes part of anatolia in this case Southeast Anatolia.
J2 haplogroup is one of the major DNA haplogroup..it is not specific to Kurds only... its some subclades are linked to ancient greeks and anatolians.
orkunful 2 years ago
You do the same mistake like many others does. You are mixing up the genetic origin to ethnic origin. They are 2 different things...
I know that there is no specific German DNA-hplogroup or Frenche one..same applies to any other nation...but there are certain DNA haplogroups that dominant in Europeans and Slavic origin people (R1a & R1b for example).
orkunful 2 years ago
part of Mesopothamia is located in Southeast Anatolia...Check wikipedia for details...
orkunful 2 years ago
See my previous comments on J2..We discussed it with another guy here in details...
orkunful 2 years ago
FaschoTuerke you talk like a drunk...or seeing some hallucinations..I hope you do not take any narcotic drugs...because you make silly comments.
orkunful 2 years ago
I am not an Armenian or Kurdish but hostorical records are clear and supported by Scientific DNA studies that Armenians and Kurds are native to Anatolia..This is a fact..but may be hard for you to digest.
orkunful 2 years ago
Because of your political opinion you want to see this issue differently...but you can not change the realities...fact are real and scientific...
orkunful 2 years ago
Do not tell me that name of the scientist is FaschoTuerke....It is your expertise area to create false claims...
You are may be Asian but 90% of Turks are not... simply go to any city in Turkey and walk around a litlle.
orkunful 2 years ago
Dont worry about those idiots who pretend to be asian, they are not turks, they are the kurds that hate the turks thats creating a "turkish" profile to start all sorts of fights, I have caught afew of them. They use many different methods such as pretending to be greeks and abusing us so we can start an argument with the greeks also, which they have succeeded in many places.
romeofire87 2 years ago 3
Now you are talking non-sense. It is well known that J2 is mesopothamian..Read the scientific sources with your brain not with your ....
J2 is common in Turkey, Greece, Italym, Spain, France and in Balkan countries...its some subclades are originating in Anatolia
orkunful 2 years ago
FaschoTuerke gives the numbers from non-scientific sources.
None of those numbers and claims are correct and all of them are conflicting with Medical Genetic study results that done and published so far.
orkunful 2 years ago
Haplogroup G originated in the Middle East or Caucasus and spread to Europe with the Neolithic Revolution.
J: Phoenician/Mezopothamian
F: The groups descending from haplogroup F are found in some 90% of the world's population, but almost exclusively outside of sub-Saharan Africa.
K: Haplogroup K probably originated in southwestern Asia and spread widely to Africa, Eurasia, Australia and the South Pacific.
H: Haplogroup H (M69) Found in India, Sri Lanka
orkunful 2 years ago
totaly bullshit this dna reasearchs show that turks have nothing to do with asians...damn how can be people so proud of asia (those useless yellow faced pigs).
AlbanianHeadhunter 2 years ago
Our Ultra-nationalists are strange..they created a fake ID for themselves and strongly believe that they are Asians (funny though)...it is a result of a brain washing....
orkunful 2 years ago
nice try but not enough....
check all DNA lists and it will proove you that we dont have your dna in our country.45% funny..hahahha.You have our dna like 4% Dinaric.You have 7.5% Slawic dna and 15% celtic dna you have more european ancestory then you think.
AlbanianHeadhunter 2 years ago
DNA haplogroup G is more mediterenean region specific.
orkunful 2 years ago
IGEBEA classification is not correct and scientific.
Incase of DNA haplogrou G the following is the Scientific describtion.
Haplogroup G (M201) found in in the Caucasus, the Iranian plateau, and Anatolia; in Europe mainly in Greece, Italy, northern Spain, the Tyrol, as well as Bohemia, Moravia; Britain and Norway at only 2%
orkunful 2 years ago
There is no Trukic gene...It is not exist. You should use term "Anatolian" or "Caucasus" or "mediterenean" for those DNA haplogroups.
Armenians are native to Anatolia and not surprising to see similar genetic structure as current people of Turkey.
orkunful 2 years ago
Those J2 DNA haplogroups also common in Greece, Italy, Spain, France and Balkan countries.
Igenea plays commercial. Currently you can not identify ethnic origin of a person based on DNA-haplogroups. But you can say their genetic origin (or genetic ancestery).
orkunful 2 years ago
You should also understand that there is no specific Turkish gene that you find in Turks only...same for German, Italian or French people...
Igenea is a commerical source...bein gTukish and being Turkic 2 different thins.
Turkish means a person that coming from Turkey.
Turkic means a person that coming from central Asia.
Igenea is correct in that sense and certain DNA haplogroups are common in Turkey (DNA-haplogroup J2 subclades with 25% frequecy).
orkunful 2 years ago
tahts why the Turks dont look asian.I think they look more eastern European and Middle eastern
AlbanianHeadhunter 2 years ago
What I really like about your video orkunful is that it is yet another evidence into how "misguided" nationalism can be.
I hope it helps Turkey get into EU though. Knowing the whiny europeans though I am sure they will continue whining even with these DNa data.
modallas2 2 years ago
What the result most importantly means as far as turkey goes is that DNA-wise turkey has very little to do with central asian turkic groups, and far more resembles the region that it exists in (ME) than anything in central asia.
This I think is important. Hopefully, it will moderate the pan-turkist elements in turkish politcis which imho have been a negative force in turkish politics ever since the inception of the turanist movement.
modallas2 2 years ago
This video is all about that. Recent DNA-haplogorup studies show that closest genetic cousins of people in Turkey are in neighboring countries including balkan countries and Europe.
It would make more sense to look at neighboring countries for genetic cousins than several thousands kilometers away in Central Asia. It makes more sense anyway...no need to be scientist for that.
orkunful 2 years ago
It makes more sense but not for turanists who wanna unify turkey with eastern turkistan or kazakhstan instead of its surroundings. I wish somebody would explain to me what turkey has gained from Turanists?
BTW, Hg G (which exists in turkey) is very much present around all medeterranian. It exists in egypt, libya in same percetnage more or less as turkey!.
modallas2 2 years ago
Unification of Turkey with Central Asian countries is based on fake claims.
Most importantly we do not have genetic relation with them. It is only the language.
Turanists gave Turkey only blood shed and hate but nothing else. They took away real identity of people and replaced it with fake one..changed the language...etc..etc..(process of last 500 years).
Worse one of all is that they made us enemy with our genetic brothers...so nothing good...all is fake...
orkunful 2 years ago
Interestingly DNA haplogroup J2 also common among Armenian population....Our ultra-nationalists may not like this a lot...Probably majority of them are DNA-haplogroup J2 .
orkunful 2 years ago
Much of the caucusses orkunful are either J1 or J2. Republic of Azerbaijan is almost 40-50% J. I forgot the ratio in Georgia and Armenia but it is also high.
Iran (where their nationalists have "Aryan" myths) has 35% Arabid (10% J1 and 24% J2) vs. only 25% R1a (Eurasid/Aryan).
Both the Iranian and Turkish nationalisms have no basis in modern science. Neither are the geneologies of the old testament. Nonreligeous Arab geneological history (not based on religeous texts) is actually more accurate.
modallas2 2 years ago
orkunful:
I wonder if you found out about your own haplogroup.
modallas2 2 years ago
I think the fact that 40% of turkey is J is great.
J appears to be the haplogroup associated with earliest human civilization. Even Crete in greece (birthplace of european civilization) is predominantly J.
The funny thing is that DNA suggests that the glorious greek civilization could well have been non-european by DNA!
I wonder if they have done any studies on skeletons from that era that way the main haplogroup of the civilization of plato, socrates, and aristotle would be determined :)
modallas2 2 years ago
Your comment makes sense to me...I think Semitic origin people or Phoenicians contributed a lot to greek civilization a lot...or simlpy they were Phoenicians.
orkunful 2 years ago