Not the way I would have glued it, but for the torque a starter puts out, its trying to put a band-aid on a decapitation. Welding would be best, but pricey w/o a "friend". With that in mind, the upgraded version is the way to go if the money is there.
When it comes to metal, of any kind, never expect a single part adhesive to be worth anything at all. Two part epoxy with metal additive or GTFO.
@TCDF22 Another guy welded his a week ago. It lasted one day. I would never try and weld a starter back together. They only run about $130 for my car. If I couldn't afford that, I'd buy a cheaper car.
It's too bad the glue didn't hold up . Hope the Tig weld will work out for you and thanks for posting these 2 videos to demonstrate the glue procedure . I really like the Junkman productions keep up the good work !
@ramoine35 Hey, thanks for watching. I'm sure that glue will hold up on the right application. I firmly believe that my lack of ability to clamp the pieces together are what did me in.
hey junk man!!! Try the alumiweld. It's basically a low temp aluminum rod you heat up it a propane torch. I think Harbor freight sells something kinda like that for like $15.00 see if you can google and watch vids on youtube about.
check out "aluminum brazing soldering using alumiweld welding rods" here on youtube with freddytk421
@2LateIWon Nahhh... I'm leaving this up to the professionals. I take a lot of road trips and I don't want that thing to become an issue 500 miles away from home!
I am not familiar with that type of glue, but they use adhesive to bond the pieces of aluminum frame on a Lotus together without rivets, so there should be good aluminum glue out there. I've seen tests for adhesive on buildings where the steel actually broke before the adhesive bond did. Now if only they could come up with super glue that bonded parts instantly like it bonds 2 fingers together. That would be impressive.
@Junkman2000 The epoxy Lotus uses is 'XB 5315' created by a Swiss company called Ciba Polymers, although I don't know how well it would work in your case. It is a single part epoxy that needs to be cured by heating to 200°C for 40 minutes.
What about J-B Weld? I know it will bond to aluminum, and has an adhesion strength that is like 1800 psi or something, although I am not sure about specifics.
@Junkman2000 According to their website, it can handle temperatures past 500°F. I've never used it myself, but I know the flash point of Mobil 1 is around 450 degrees, so you should be ok. I've never been that far into my car to see how close the starter gets to the manifold, but since you aren't using the starter much when the manifold is hot anyway, I wouldn't think you would have an issue. I know the old small blocks were notorious for overheating starters though.
@Junkman2000 Sounds like a plan. I had this horrible Honda Prelude in high school that the starter went out on. A friend of mine replaced it, but it still didn't work. Being that the car was junk, I figured it was probably bad wiring or something, so I ended up push starting it for at least a good 6 months until I needed some sort of other repair, and come to find out, my friend just forgot to hook up the wiring to the starter. I felt like such an idiot. I wasn't very tech savvy back then.
The starter is not what I was trying to fix. It's the piece that is chipped off the block that I need to fix. The starter was just a testing platform. I already have a new starter. Check out part 1 of this series.
@Junkman2000 Oh yeah, I know. It just got me thinking about that time with my starter. That is the part that really sucks. If it had just broken off the starter it would have been no big deal, it was the fact that it took the chunk off your block. Good luck on the TIG welding. Hopefully they don't charge you an arm and a leg for such a small piece. I hear cast aluminum is an art to weld. Of course, once it is done, the weld will be stronger than the surrounding aluminum.
watching the rest of the video there cant be any air space (puddles of product) in between the pieces you are trying to glue. it might take you a couple tries to get it right.
@robby844 You're right. The only problem is that there is no way to force press the two pieces together (as you would do with a vice or clamp). Since I can't do that with my engine block, I didn't want to do that with my test subject. I wanted it to be as realistic as possible.
i work with this stuff ALL THE TIME. if you apply too much of it (running/dripping out) it will fail. id suggest you try again with less product. also shake the bottle up really good. if it fails again then go another route. ive put together two pieces of 1 inch plate together and lifted 2000 pounds and it didnt fail.
Not the way I would have glued it, but for the torque a starter puts out, its trying to put a band-aid on a decapitation. Welding would be best, but pricey w/o a "friend". With that in mind, the upgraded version is the way to go if the money is there.
When it comes to metal, of any kind, never expect a single part adhesive to be worth anything at all. Two part epoxy with metal additive or GTFO.
Just my 2c, but always a fan of the Junkman
TCDF22 3 months ago
@TCDF22 Another guy welded his a week ago. It lasted one day. I would never try and weld a starter back together. They only run about $130 for my car. If I couldn't afford that, I'd buy a cheaper car.
Junkman2000 2 months ago
It's too bad the glue didn't hold up . Hope the Tig weld will work out for you and thanks for posting these 2 videos to demonstrate the glue procedure . I really like the Junkman productions keep up the good work !
ramoine35 3 months ago
@ramoine35 Hey, thanks for watching. I'm sure that glue will hold up on the right application. I firmly believe that my lack of ability to clamp the pieces together are what did me in.
Junkman2000 3 months ago
hey junk man!!! Try the alumiweld. It's basically a low temp aluminum rod you heat up it a propane torch. I think Harbor freight sells something kinda like that for like $15.00 see if you can google and watch vids on youtube about.
check out "aluminum brazing soldering using alumiweld welding rods" here on youtube with freddytk421
2LateIWon 4 months ago
@2LateIWon Nahhh... I'm leaving this up to the professionals. I take a lot of road trips and I don't want that thing to become an issue 500 miles away from home!
Junkman2000 4 months ago
Try some cold weld.. it is a 2 part epoxy << I think
RAJSTA81 4 months ago
@RAJSTA81 It won't handle the engine temperatures.
Junkman2000 4 months ago
@Junkman2000
ahh ok..this good to know for future references
RAJSTA81 4 months ago
Booty call???
Cmon dude, get some Booty on the channel..
Imagine that your showing us this starter with a big ol booty right next to it?? LOL
RAJSTA81 4 months ago
@RAJSTA81 I never bootycall and show! :D
Junkman2000 4 months ago
@Junkman2000
hahaha....
RAJSTA81 4 months ago
I am not familiar with that type of glue, but they use adhesive to bond the pieces of aluminum frame on a Lotus together without rivets, so there should be good aluminum glue out there. I've seen tests for adhesive on buildings where the steel actually broke before the adhesive bond did. Now if only they could come up with super glue that bonded parts instantly like it bonds 2 fingers together. That would be impressive.
v12tommy 4 months ago
@v12tommy You know what adhesive they use?
Junkman2000 4 months ago
@Junkman2000 The epoxy Lotus uses is 'XB 5315' created by a Swiss company called Ciba Polymers, although I don't know how well it would work in your case. It is a single part epoxy that needs to be cured by heating to 200°C for 40 minutes.
What about J-B Weld? I know it will bond to aluminum, and has an adhesion strength that is like 1800 psi or something, although I am not sure about specifics.
v12tommy 4 months ago
@v12tommy Well dang, that's out. JB Weld won't handle the engine temperatures. That was my first thought.
Junkman2000 4 months ago
@Junkman2000 According to their website, it can handle temperatures past 500°F. I've never used it myself, but I know the flash point of Mobil 1 is around 450 degrees, so you should be ok. I've never been that far into my car to see how close the starter gets to the manifold, but since you aren't using the starter much when the manifold is hot anyway, I wouldn't think you would have an issue. I know the old small blocks were notorious for overheating starters though.
v12tommy 4 months ago
@v12tommy Well, this stuff was supposed to be better but I'm going to TIG weld it now. I take to many road trips to take a chance!
Junkman2000 4 months ago
@Junkman2000 Sounds like a plan. I had this horrible Honda Prelude in high school that the starter went out on. A friend of mine replaced it, but it still didn't work. Being that the car was junk, I figured it was probably bad wiring or something, so I ended up push starting it for at least a good 6 months until I needed some sort of other repair, and come to find out, my friend just forgot to hook up the wiring to the starter. I felt like such an idiot. I wasn't very tech savvy back then.
v12tommy 4 months ago
@v12tommy lol! What a story! lol!
The starter is not what I was trying to fix. It's the piece that is chipped off the block that I need to fix. The starter was just a testing platform. I already have a new starter. Check out part 1 of this series.
Junkman2000 4 months ago
@Junkman2000 Oh yeah, I know. It just got me thinking about that time with my starter. That is the part that really sucks. If it had just broken off the starter it would have been no big deal, it was the fact that it took the chunk off your block. Good luck on the TIG welding. Hopefully they don't charge you an arm and a leg for such a small piece. I hear cast aluminum is an art to weld. Of course, once it is done, the weld will be stronger than the surrounding aluminum.
v12tommy 4 months ago
I miss the detailing Vids please put some more up
pojoe1975 4 months ago
@pojoe1975 They're coming, but I have got to get my car fixed first!
Junkman2000 4 months ago
watching the rest of the video there cant be any air space (puddles of product) in between the pieces you are trying to glue. it might take you a couple tries to get it right.
robby844 4 months ago
@robby844 You're right. The only problem is that there is no way to force press the two pieces together (as you would do with a vice or clamp). Since I can't do that with my engine block, I didn't want to do that with my test subject. I wanted it to be as realistic as possible.
Junkman2000 4 months ago
i work with this stuff ALL THE TIME. if you apply too much of it (running/dripping out) it will fail. id suggest you try again with less product. also shake the bottle up really good. if it fails again then go another route. ive put together two pieces of 1 inch plate together and lifted 2000 pounds and it didnt fail.
robby844 4 months ago
@robby844 Good to know.
Junkman2000 4 months ago
sorry to hear man, i love when easy/cheap fixes work!
jettaaddiction 4 months ago
wow, sucks - it seemed like it was a legit solution. Time to price out the ladder option!
SutcivnI 4 months ago
lol well nvm screw da glue
ACURATLISDABEST 4 months ago
Sorry that didn't work out for you. I was hoping it would. Looking forward to your next video. Thanks junkman.
rotgut68 4 months ago
@rotgut68 They will be detailing videos.
Junkman2000 4 months ago
1st to watch
GetYaTittysOut 4 months ago
@GetYaTittysOut You get a oowee cookie! :D
Junkman2000 4 months ago