Israel's security and the Arab Spring - Professor Benny Morris

[BIZZIB3ATZ]

i don't understand how a country with a large number of nukes can tell another country not to have nukes i believe they should lead by example and disarm them self or let every country have nukes which would be a good thing because we would not have wars and these presidents declaring wars would think about the ramification before invading other country's

in other words every country should concentrate on their domestic issues

[FlotillaCrew]

BENNY MORRIS IS A JERRY SPRINGER SHOW "HISTORIAN"

[d4vstone]

Nasty and Racist, Morris is part of the Hasbarah comissioned by Aparthide israHell to propogate hatred for the Palestinian cause under the guise of "education"

Isn't it strange that despite israHell stealing so much from the world, they are losing every battle. No wonder they went crazy in Oslo.

[buddybleau]

Sounds to me like Arab Spring would be a great time to eradicate those knuckle dragging idiots! You can't reason with a muslim, the only thing they understand is violence. Give them what they need.

[e75149938]

Wonderful speech Benny Morris !!! Very instructive

[constructivereconcil]

Thanks very much for the upload. Check out my channel and let me know what I can do to help your efforts.

[zobielamouche1]

"prof." morris talks about his own prejudices, fears, resentments and tries to manipulate opinion in his way. but he doesn't talk about the reality of the region

[constructivereconcil]

@zobielamouche1"but he doesn't talk about the reality of the region"

What are you saying? What reality? I can't think of anything I disagree with, other than my belief in the US ability to aid the situation, but he might be right there too. I doubt you have any objective reason for your comments, purely subjective. You simply don't want to hear it.

[JeffKlives]

Thanks for uploading. This was worth watching.

[dancingpill]

The girl asking the question on the hour mark is such an idiot. She's the type who believes the blockade, checkpoints and barrier etc. are all CAUSES or the conflict when the reality is that they're RESULTS of the conflict. The hostilities you see today are an extension of the ones that existed in 1948. I ask this girl to pick up a book and see what Arab attitude were towards Israel in 1948 and indeed before that. Ignorant idiot.

[ambuj1991]

@dancingpill those blockades are not at all the results of the conflict.. as can be conclude on careful examination of the israeli strategy in the region for the past 60 years..the 1967 war started after pre-emptive strikes by israel on egypt..and israel have admitted to that..the war was fought to carry on the zionist ambitions of the state..and there are numerous examples ican quote which would suggest that the occupation has got nothing to do with self defence...and stop calling people idiots

[dancingpill]

@ambuj1991 They're not results of the conflict? Oh sure, because everything was fine until one day Israel decided to blockade Gaza, erect the WB barrier and checkpoints then shit hit the fan. This might be true if you want to ignore almost a century of history and by way of extension a few thousand years worth of history. Did the Arabs travel forward in time and saw the impending occupation--is this why they started the 48 war?

[constructivereconcil]

@dancingpill Don't forget Hebron Massacre, before any of them even had weapons. That is the only reason any of them became militant for defense.

[constructivereconcil]

@ambuj1991 "the 1967 war started after pre-emptive strikes by israel on egypt..and israel have admitted to that..the war was fought to carry on the zionist ambitions of the state"

Do you know what "pre empt' means? Evidently not. Before you put your foot further down your own throat, try watching my uploads, like "6 Days in June" and then try saying that over again.

"there are numerous examples ican quote which would suggest that the occupation has got nothing to do with self defence."

What?

[ambuj1991]

@constructivereconcil i hate when people try to act smart around here..don't tell me i don't know what pre-emptive means..michael prior's book..page 28-29 ..and i quote.. "Eventually, in 1972, Israel conceded that its pre-emptive strike against Egypt initiated the war, attempting to justify its actions by appealing to the imminence of Arab aggression which 'threatened the very existence of the state', and for which it had no responsibility.It is clear that Israel did not consider ....contd."

[ambuj1991]

@ambuj1991 "contd...Israel did not consider itself to be underthreat of destruction in June 1967. Israeli general Mattityahu Peled later designated the claim as a 'bluff', andChief of Operations Ezer Weizman acknowledged that there was no threat to Israel's destruction, and that even if the Egyptians had attacked first they would have suffered a complete defeat. " .. Also the ethnic cleansing of the region in the days after the war suggest that it was a very planned effort..

[constructivereconcil]

@ambuj1991 "Chief of Operations Ezer Weizman acknowledged that there was no threat to Israel's destruction"

I doubt he said that, and if he did it simply means he is as dumb as you. Probably in context he was not taking about intent, but the risk to having it occur. But what is the point? Is this him saying as you imply "We did not need to strike?"

Confidence has nothing to do with casus belli. People like you make me vomit. If you are an enemy of the West, I'll gladly choke you to death.

[constructivereconcil]

@ambuj1991 "Chief of Operations Ezer Weizman acknowledged that there was no threat to Israel's destruction, and that even if the Egyptians had attacked first they would have suffered a complete defeat...Also the ethnic cleansing of the region in the days after the war suggest that it was a very planned effort."

You really are an idiot. Ignore mountains of evidence, including documentary films uploaded on my channel, as if by quoting a single general, out of context, maybe entirely invented...

[constructivereconcil]

@ambuj1991 So please use the liberal PBS publications, like "50 Years War" & account for how Evgeny Pyrlin of Soviet Foreign Ministry: "We believed a war could bring us political gains. Even a stalemate could bring us benefits. Egypt had our backing, both political and military. We thought their forces would demonstrate the benefits of Soviet support. So we were confident that the balance of power in the Middle-East would be altered by a localized war."

He must be "the Jew" you say started it.

[constructivereconcil]

@ambuj1991

By the way, I am using evidence on my channel. No need to guess if it is invented like yours. Watch the video and listen to the ex-Soviet, Evgeny Pyrlin of the Soviet Foreign Ministry: "We believed a war could bring us political gains. Even a stalemate could bring us benefits. Egypt had our backing, both political and military...

etc. PBS documentary, on my channel "50 years War: Israel & the Arabs" Anti-Semites make me puke. You just hear any certain opinion that "resonates."

[constructivereconcil]

@ambuj1991 Please see "6 Days in June" or any of the myriad other sources that make your remarks moot. Diplomatically, you can count on someone some time saying nearly anything, but what matters are FACTS.

From "6 Days in June" NARRATOR: Meanwhile the closing of the Straits of Tiran (casus belli) electrifies the Arab world, and Radio Cairo beats the drums of war. ELSAYED ELGHDBAN - Host Radio Cairo, 1967: "The masses were very excited, sure that their army could win."

[constructivereconcil]

@ambuj1991 I could list so much evidence, but you can count on public perception of Israel being aligned with the West in the Cold War, thus anyone who believes that capitalism is another name for imperialism continue to cuddle up to Soviet propaganda.

PBS documentary, "50 Years War" testimony of Evgeny Pyrlin - Soviet Foreign Ministry: "We believed a war could bring us political gains. Even a stalemate could bring us benefits. Egypt had our backing, both political and military."

[constructivereconcil]

@ambuj1991 So yes, I can acknowledge that homers and dupes can always cuddle up with butt-buddies using old propaganda, but those of us interested in facts can not ever be deceived in to thinking that the holocaust had not ended, and still has not ended. Do you know what 'hudna' means? I doubt it. Dupes rarely consider any enemy other than their own state. You must deride the West to explain your own lack of success, or you were raised in a quasi-cult like Islam, or a secular hippy cult.

[constructivereconcil]

@ambuj1991 "i hate when people try to act smart around here"

Some of us (many? most?) are just smarter than you. It seems like this is not so remarkable judging only be the stupid statements of yours.

[constructivereconcil]

@ambuj1991 "and stop calling people idiots"

What do you idiots like to be called? I'm totally in support of the affording the handicapped all the dignity that every person deserves. Name-calling is not helpful.

[constructivereconcil]

@ambuj1991 "those blockades are not at all the results of the conflict.. as can be conclude on careful examination of the israeli strategy in the region for the past 60 years.":

Calling your bluff, you list your sources and I will evaluate them and get back to you 1 week after each source is reported. If I can't refute your sources, I will leave the argument as is. In fact, I want to know if I am wrong. I have no emotional connection to anyone in the disputes. Not one personal connection.

[constructivereconcil]

@ambuj1991 You feign intelligence just well enough to confuse the average voter who can't take time to study every damn issue, it's people like you who prevent Middle East peace by jamming up politicians who do want to do what is right, you give hope to Islamic imperialists. You have no clue the harm you cause, do you? You actually think "Palestinians are just like the Irish Catholics" which is only true in irrelevant ways. Israelis are the freedom fighters against *Islamic imperialism.* Sheesh.

[ambuj1991]

@constructivereconcil You know nothing about me, yet have made remarks about me, my knowledge on the subject and refuted my sources without knowing absolutely nothing.This discussion ends here.

[constructivereconcil]

@ambuj1991 You do what you think you need to do. I know only what you say. I don't know your sources until you share, which you haven't. I set up an entire channel full of documentary evidence already published for comments & refutation, & stand behind EVERYTHING I say with that evidence before I say it. Then you come along & shoot your mouth off, but can't back it up. Anyone can see you were bluffing. I don't care what you do, but I won't let bullshit stand without my reply.

[constructivereconcil]

@ambuj1991 You clearly weren't looking for a discussion, you simply wanted to throw around (with an attitude I might add) what you thought would support your position. There's plenty I don't know about you & frankly, nobody cares. If you want to come along & attack comments, don't be surprised when it comes flying back at you, especially when you pose like a serious researcher quoting obscure Israeli generals that you think might bluff someone. If you want to learn, try again, but be polite.

[constructivereconcil]

@ambuj1991 "@constructivereconcil just in case you play the anti-semitism card too..you have said practically everything else already..what a bloody joke you are.."

Getting ahead of yourself eh?

I actually believe that among Americans, the majority of the critics of Israel are merely deceived by certain hi-profile dupes like Normand Finkelstein, Noam Chomsky, & some of the less psychotic echo repeaters. I totally understand the flaws of your thinking, its not anti-Semitism.

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[constructivereconcil]

@ambuj1991 "@constructivereconcil just in case you play the anti-semitism card too..you have said practically everything else...what a bloody joke you are"

I know lots of people like you think it's funny, but because "we" are so damn casual about politics & pontificating, I know thousands of liberals who really believe they are on the high moral ground because they are simply picking up canards. At a certain point, anti-Semitism is picked up & "authenticated" as fact because of inertia.

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[constructivereconcil]

@ambuj1991 "@constructivereconcil just in case you play the anti-semitism card too..you have said practically everything else already..what a bloody joke you are.."

So while your sources & you are very likely as un-bigoted as anyone else, it still hurts when justice is denied. What would you do if you found out that some group had been successfully targeted, their reputation destroyed, to the degree that even seemingly rational people thought them evil? Just go along with it?

You already have.

[constructivereconcil]

@ambuj1991 "careful examination of the israeli strategy in the region for the past 60 years"

This remark blew me away, & still does! I had to review my media again, & do you know that even if your claims are true, didn't you know that Israel did not attack Jordan until last, when they shelled Jerusalem? Fucking King Hussein even said so. King Hussein also warned Israel about the sneak attack from Syria and Egypt. Contrast the DETAILS of 1967 vs. 1973.

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[constructivereconcil]

@ambuj1991 "careful examination"

I'm just stunned that anyone can use those words in such a way that makes 3 things clear;

1) you don't know the facts

2) you are aware of superficial remarks aka scuttlebutt etc. commonly made

3) For you, words have little meaning beyond their rhetorical value

"Careful examination" meaning the skimming of moveon.org or any other *advocate* source. Here's a clue; my research is authenticated through hostile sources confessions, etc. of firsthand witnesses

[constructivereconcil]

@ambuj1991 But after all is said & done, at least you have a passion to learn about this. It's the single most important intractable problem in human history, & the potential upside to solving the problems are equally great in scale.

Since you seem to be unbigoted, with a sense of justice, why not see if Islamic Imperialists learned anything from the Nazis? Please come to my channel & attack my collections. See who is right. Maybe you will win me over, & "kill" one of the enemy. You're welcome!

[constructivereconcil]

@dancingpill "The girl asking the question on the hour mark is such an idiot"

Yep. I caught that too. Islam simply has no ethos to examine one's own flaws. Muslims and others in their culture hear the open press with so many divergent opinions, and they simply ape the criticism from leftists who got confused during the Cold War. Israel's fault for siding with US and the West. Given that Israel IS the source for Western values, those hippies don't understand where peace and love originated.