The NHS is a failure - waiting 10 months for a simple procedure is a sign of a broken system. At least the Yanks have better doctors and hospitals then we do.
PART 2. It is ture that Singapore's Bismark Model for health care outpreforms the British NHS according to the WHO and UN rankins it is not even close to a Free Market. Danial Hannan is a hack that has no idea what he is talking about.
THere will never be a Free Market health care system because it is just unworkable.
Why do you think there is such a thing like free market healthcare in the US? It´s an overregulated disaster. It was much cheaper and more available in the 19th century than nowadays. A lot of health care was provided for free. The Flexner report started all the medical corporatism. Read Ron Paul´s health care programme for instance.
In the UK 93% of hte public rate the NHS as good or exellent. No for profit insurance company can even come close to that kid of customer satisfaction.
THis is 100% horseshit.
There is no such thing as a " Free Market " solution for health care and there never will be.
@Dendiol I'm from Salford and the vast majority of people in Greater Manchester, I'm sure, would disagree with the point mszeitgeist85 makes. I'd be interested to find out where you are from and why you rate the NHS-not in theory but as it practically operates-in high regard? Please reply :)
@MsZeitgeist85 That simply is not true, i don't know where your facts come from but we don't rate the service as excellent or good.Most people certainly do not think that the service provided as it is is not competent or even beneficial. As Mr Hannan points out statistically it does not work and most importantly he states the main issue to be (5:56) " The government runs things badly" so even if a national health service in theory is a good idea, it doesn't work in reality
@Trustmeimastomach "Most people certainly do not think that the service provided as it is is not competent or even beneficial." The 'not' before competent was a mistake. I'm sorry, so very, very sorry :(
@Trustmeimastomach It is a stupid point and Hannan is full of shit. The Cancer survival rate argument is bullshit because you are comparing the % that get care in the US with the entire population of the UK. In the US 320 thousand people a year forgo Cancer treatment every year because they can't afford it. What's their cancer survival rate?
@MsZeitgeist85 Hannan's a class Nazi. He wants to be like the guy in El Cid, who sits up stairs in his palace in Valencia gorging himself on the fat of the land while the poor sit in their slums getting absolutely nothing. Nope, no help to better yourself, no help to stay healthy, just so long as he gets his big house and Jag sat outside (all on MP's expenses, of course). This is what gives Capitalism more flaws than the film "Braveheart"! He's the evil greedy face of Capitalism.
@Bubo25 Where is your proof that he is greedy? Capitalism is not greed, it is reward for the most successful. Greed is more likely to come from lazy socialists like you who think the government owes you something.
@MsZeitgeist85 Even if those facts aren't entirely accurate (which based on how many politicians don't want to have to back track i doubt they are wrong) but that doesn't win the whole argument. You intelligent little lamb, you
@Trustmeimastomach The USA is the only country that allows for profit Pirmary Care Insurance and the only country that does not allow the payers to collectivley bargin with the acception of the VA. The USA ranks dead last in health care systems of all developed nations despite the fact we spend more than any other country.
The verdict is in and the system this crackpot is advocating is a failure.
Please provide a reference as to where Daniel Hannan has advocated the US model for healthcare. I think you'll find he hasn't. So an apology is due from you for a mindless bit of ad hominem. Hannan has advocated the Singaporean model for healthcare; and has he has so fluently pointed out, on every healthcare metric, the citizens of Singapore are much healthier and fitter than us Brits.
Please find a quote from Hannan suggesting he supports the US system... I'm begging you
@Bastiat90 PART 1 Danial Hannan doesn't even know what the Singapore Model is. Hannan has said that he is advocating a "Free Market" model. The definition of a Free Market system is where the payer has no regulations of denial or coverage and all payers have no collective bargining ability with the health care providers and drug companys. Singapore's model is nowhere near this. Their payers have strong collective bargining with providers and they are all non profit and regulated.
Mr Hannan is perfectly aware of what he talks about. America isn't a free market healthcare system. Singapore is a mixture of public and private provision.
@MrGilles1990 France which is ranked 1 by the WHO has 80% of its system nationalized. Germany ranked 24 is the non profit Bismark Model. The UKs NHS is ranked 18th.
LOL The question should be would I rather be POOR and ill in the UK or the US? The answer would be poor and ill in the UK, because at least I'd get treatment. In the US if you're poor and ill you get absolutely sweet fuck all! As for the rich cunt in the vid, he'd go private...if he ever enters our country, that is.
@Bubo25 Wow, stupidity this large should come with a health warning not unlike that on cigarette packets!! The question is you shouldn't rather be poor and have to have free health care. If the society you lived in aided you in the pursuit of prosperity the issue of health care cost would be a moot one. Our country promotes handouts in many forms which de-motivate our incentives to succeed because we always have free things to fall back on. Socialism has more flaws than the film "braveheart"!
@Trustmeimastomach "I know my place". Far from helping people to succeed at the bottom, it puts up barriers. "No, sorry, you can't do this because **** " Fill in the blank with some rich person's excuse because they're afraid of the riff-faff moving in next door. The class Nazis here find any way/excuse to stop the poor from bettering themselves. It's not what you know it's what money you've got. Orwell: "England is a family with the wrong members in charge.
@Bubo25 Socialised systems do exactly what you are claiming these 'class Nazi's' are attempting. The point is everything about how we are governed needs to change. Get out of centralisation in everything. The less things we leave to government charge, the less things will be messed up and most importantly the less tax we have to pay. That money doesn't vanish-it's now in our pockets. Private enterprises would spring up which always drives prices lower. That's the idea in a loose sense
Hannan thinks the EU is making its citizens less free, but is still happy to be part of the MEP gravy train. I'm sure he rationalises this very easily.
@BomberAl123 That's because he's providing the voice of opposition and he's there trying to stop the EU pushing through laws on to us by voting against them.
Heart disease is WORSE in the USA system, as are ALL the majour diseases except cancer, don't beleive me look up OECD facts on health care, boy I'd love to interview this idiot.
Hannah has never lived in SOUTHEAST ENGLAND, his family made money in facist peru by using slave wages and he was sent to a private school then given a plac ein Oxford. he now lives in brussels and spain. He has nothing to do with the UK, he knows nothing about being english or the NHS, as he lies about it and never uses it as he's neve rbeen in england !
he is th elowest level of politicians you can have, below council members ! Basically he's an embarrassment ot the Conservatives.
Most of the cost of medical care is administrative costs, you cut out the costs of it and suddenly medicine will become very cheap all around the world, so cheap in fact the only costs would be manufacturing. Ever wonder why it costs so much less to buy pet medicine then human medicine?
This guy wants to scrap the NHS. Not better it. He thinks that the NHS is dead and wants a privatised system. This guy is only popular in the US and even then only with the far-right!
@lizziedavidson1987 I beg to differ... I am a liberal, traditionally left wing chap! I understand that the NHS is a near disaster - if you have had any family terminally ill then you would know very well the short-comings of the HNS - it is a wonderful institution and great to have free health - but it has been run into the ground by successive governments both left and right! it's symptomatic of the BIG government in this country, I want small, de-centralised government, not bureaucracy /quango
@rugbyboy198127 My cousin is in Yorkhill children's hospitial; receiving first chemo, now radiotherapy for a brain tumour (benign) from (you guessed it) the NHS. she is in extremely capable hands and was seen very quickly. So don't patronise me!
@rugbyboy198127 For a " a liberal, traditionally left wing chap!)" Your support for Hannan and Powell would seem to be a somewhat odd. A very old neighbour friend (over ninety) and terminally ill has been given first class care and support over a number of years from a wide variety of groups both NHS and voluntary. Certainty the NHS like any large organisation needs constant change but given the choice between the barbaric US system and UK's UHC I think most in UK would support the NHS..
@davijeph well unfortunately the same cannot be said for my father's treatment.... i speak not of the wonderful doctors and nurses who cared for him and allowed him to die at home with dignity etc but i speak of the lack of availability of cancer drugs, i speak with the knowledge that he would almost certainly lived in other countries....were the nhs not wasting money on IVF or trimming the excess fat off previously obese people, perhaps they'd have had the money to pay for drugs2save his life!?
@davijeph of course i dont support the US system but if we allow the nhs to continue to deteriorate then in all honesty i dont see much difference! if you have the money there is no doubting the fact that one ought to go private if one wishes for the best treatment... this i feel is inherently wrong and the nhs sure has her priorities totally messed up! it is the national health service not the national make one self feel better about one's self service etc etc it is now a national disaster mate
The man is the mouth peice of right wing greed. Iam from the South east of England and this C**t does not represent me.. Iw ould like to see him in a fertiliser bag, also his account of history is dubious in the extreme.
The man is the mouth peice of right wing greed. Iam from the South east of England and this C**t does not represent me.. Iw ould like to see him in a fertiliser bag..
@yesyesohyay10 I know, why work when Obama and the dumbass Dems pay millions of Americans to sit on their asses and do nothing? Ain't America great?!?
He can take a complex issue and get at the nub of the problem while handling social, economic or political hurdles that, for others, serve as ammunition to discredit the overall argument.
What a fucking wanker this bloke is. An MEP who claims to hate Europe. Which is a bit like being a cyclist but hating bikes. Useless fucking tosser not even good or bad enough to get into the proper Tories.
@RedJoe10 So you suggest that a person who hates lawyers, having been wrongly charged with some felony, should not get any representation in court, even this means being convicted? Instead of serving as a back bencher in Westminster, he represents his ideas in a place where he can put his ideas into publics knowledge in a better way.
Left wing journalists? Christ what a load of bullshit. The vast majority of journalists are right wing conservatives. FACT. That's why the small rich elite who run the world get richer while the rest of us get poorer.
@IMFHater Really? In england it's overly left wing, and what ever is "right wing" it is neo-conservative which isn't conservative it's a form a Fabian socialism, lol rich get poorer is from socialism and corrupt capitalism. When the markets are free there is the greatest distribution of wealth. This has been shown through history time and time again, when we take the welfare and the dependency we get poorer and poorer. Haven't you looked at Rome, Greece, and China?
No, Hannan is completely misreading the real histoy of the American Revolution, his understanding of it is surprisingly shallow & conventional from what he says here.
@tjc874 lmao,no offense but i dont know anyone who wants to be 'american'.id be intrested to know why you think anyone from a developed country would want to be american
Britain has painted itself into a corner. All the useless public sector employees, immigrants, union leaders and lazy oafs on benefits now outnumber those that actually do something useful. Ergo, they will only vote for a party that keeps them in this lifestyle, which will lead to the destruction of the country. Britain needs to be spilt into 2 countries - 1 Labour dominated, 1 Conservative dominated. The Labour half will eventually collapse and be reduced to farming & eking out a living.
@Tracywithafacey please dont be fooled,i agree with alot of what he and his party stands for,but its common knowledge the party is funded and has these policies to counteract the real british party,the bnp.just an shill for the state
yes you may be better off with medical treatment for cancer in the usa but only as long as you can afford the medical cover 'otherwise its blue cross or die . there is nothing to stop someone from taking out medical insurance in the uk but everyone should contribute to the n h s so as we don't end up in hannans new americanized britain .were it would simply be the devil take the hindmost .
How can he of all people not recognise why people love his speech... Because the people love truth and courage, and he articulated and showed both. Because the message of stopping the government spending and localising government control mean more than he could obviously ever imagine to the individuals who promote him and his ideas.
I agree with Hannan on the NHS, but the majority of people don't. That is why, although I personally oppose state healthcare, I would not abolish it if I ever came to power. I would hold a referendum and accept the result no matter what.
I hope Hannan is just ignorant; if not, he's abiding by a very antiquated form of evil. He thinks Britain has lost freedoms since the 18th century? Jesus.... That was a time when the country was very literally run by the landowners; tenants and peasants were not allowed to vote. The first feminists had yet to emerge and be shouted-down as lunatics. Trade unions were banned. The whole country was run in the interests of the business classes.
Herbert Spencer once said that 'the ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.'' It is because of that dictum that I must re-educate you. Britain has lost freedoms since the 18th century. Hannan is not talking about freedom of wealth. He is talking about what Paine called the Rights of Man. These have been diluted, commensurate with the rise of government.
Hannan advocates the Jeffersonian view that ''the government is best which governs least.'' You cannot legislate to change human nature, which is what lefists have tried to do for 200 years. Marx praised capitalism on several occassions, most notable in the Communist Manifesto when he correctly identified it as the destroyer of feudalism.
It appears that you are an undiluted bigot... ''He is a Tory.'' Does it make you feel powerful and substantial because you can insult Toryism? Does it make you feel special? Human beings are by nature conservative. The yearning for family, marriage, stability and the profit motive (which dosen't automatically mean monetary profit). The profound principles of Toryism will always be relevant
E.g. human beings are fallible and often irrational. As Friedrich Hayek once said, ''man does not, and cannot know everything, and when he acts as if he does, disaster follows.'' Any attempt to change human nature by 'rational' politics are doomed to end in failure because we are incapable of predicting the future. The philosopher John Gray is the main proponent of this view. Max Weber failed miserably in his quest to build the perfect democracy with the Weimar.
To conclude, we are all conservatives. Systems of human organisation work best when they are developed organically through traditions, culture and history, free from the grip of moral and cultural relativism. In England, our laws were not created, but grew out of a reaction to certain crimes. Habeus Corpus, the Magna Carta etc grew out of a need to respect the citizen. England gave the world parliamentary democracy.
In 1688, Britain experienced the 'Glorious Revolution.' It was peaceful, and responsive, and led to what Burke called 'the perfect constitutional settlement,' a mixture of monarchy, aristocracy and democracy, each acting as a check on the excesses of each other. Britain avoided fascism and communism because of this, and our traditions gave birth to the American Revolution, whereas 'rational' planning gave us the French Revolution and Robespierre.
Our responsive and organic traditions made our tiny island the most powerful nation the world has ever seen. Our tiny island was the head of an empire in which 'the sun never set.' France failed to do that despite its revolution. The Germans failed twice. America succeeded because of its devotion to conservativism and English political traditions.
Now, after your bigoted and misinformed attack on Hannan for being 'a Tory,' perhaps you could apologise to Mr Hannan and all us conservatives. You can also choose to thank me if you wish for providing you with a free lesson in conservative philosophy and British history. It was a free lesson so you can put your wallet away sir. As a capitalist, I believe in voluntary communitarianism, not coercive socialist communitarianism.
An apology and a thankyou will be very much appreciated sir.
Wow... as insults go that is pretty weak and substandard... rather like your intellect. I was looking forward to some social deconstruction and all I got was a pathetic insult. Why not try and address the points comrade? Why not address the truth. Is it because... ''YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH'' mkay?
I'm still glad I re-educated you. It costs nothing and contributes to the eradication of socialism because you were unable to defend it. You know you are a Tory sir, admit it to yourself
An intelligent person would write this, "as insults go that is pretty weak and substandard", like this, "that insult was pretty weak", as the meaning of the word substandard is already included in the meaning of the word weak.
Stop trying to write how you think intelligent people write. It's embarrassing to read. I'm not going to reply properly because you're just repeating the Austrian party line and I've heard it 100 times.
This is an awesome man. Can you imagine if he was running the UK? It would be a ridiculously massive improvement. People who be like "WTF just happened? Why have all stupid problems in this previously fcked up country disappeared?". "Hannan just happened". "Ah, that explains it." It would be so good that english ppl definately wouldnt vote for it. They enjoy misery so they can complain about it.
Britain can't afford the NHS any longer. It's as simple as that. I acknowledge that some things should be nationalised, but healthcare is not one of them.
@GeorgiaNatoUkraine Wow, thanks for that intelligent rebuttle, idiot. If Georgians fight as well as you think, then it's no wonder that the Russians wiped their arses with you a couple of years ago.
The NHS goes against all our essential freedoms. Britain should seek to emulate the American system, whereby healthcare facilities are owned and operated by the private sector, and people pay for their own healthcare using Health Credit Vouchers. This would extent patient choice by allowing them to spend a share of their tax earnings on a private healthcare plan. How could it be fairer?
Tomorrow morning you go to the supermarket & discover there's no food on the shelves.
When you ask why, you find out that every UK citizen has done the free-market, private-enterprise thing, & decided to work 4 themselves.
Question: How long before you send in the shock troops & force them back onto the production line? After all, sauve dickheads must have someone to deliver up their venison.
If Hannan is such a 'force' in British politics, then why is he an MEP? Come on Hannan! If Britain is yearning for Libertarianism then put your money where your mouth is! Scared you might lose your cushy MEP salary & benefits?
Hannan is not representative of most MEPs. Cancer figures are often quoted but often quite sekectiveley forgetting that cancer stas from the U.S. are suspect. (1) They are slanted towards the teaching hospitals. (2) US doctors are inclined to overtreat meaning many relatively well people get treated and "cured".Less than half the US population is covered by cancer registers compared to 100% in the UK.
I disagree with Hannan on the NHS. It's a fantastic institution. Yes, it has its faults, but can you imagine having to pay for your life? It's repulsive.
@NJRocks281 I have always thought that what is wrong with the American system is this. It is excellent but very expensive (16% of GDP) .There are too many lawyers in american society and they will sue any doctor off his hind legs so doctors have to take out massive insurance to offset this. The idea of Obamacare is to place healthcare in the hands of politicians/lawyers .DONT DO IT .GET RID OF YOUR LAWYERS.
Hannan's not arguing for a U.S style system, he's arguing for a different system to the one we have now. The NHS is old fashioned and out of date and is froma time when governments thought they could run everything. The fact that many people arent willing to even debate this issue without throwing their rattle out of the pram is a shame because we could end up with a better quality health service. Those who refuse to adapt to the NHS because of their socialist dogma are the true conservatives.
@boovidge I agree. The US system is undeniably better than what we have here. A return to private healthcare would mean that patients would be able to choose between various styles of healthcare. Free the markets!
@janebusby i'm not sure its the abolition of the NHS which is necessarily what is wanted by the tories, or at least needed by england. realistically are the conservatives going to completely reform the health system? i am elated by politicians like hannan, but I (as a medic student, not an anecdotal idealist) believe the NHS DOES work well. or COULD, with less administrative power, and more money actually going into the sectors where it is needed
I like Hannan but what he doesn't mention is that the U.K tries its very best to aid the impoverished and the vulnerable in its health system. In the U.S.A those in destitute circumstances are, in regards to health, up a well known creek without a paddle. So would I rather be treated in the U.S.A or the U.K? Well it depends how rich I am!
Those who criticise 'the Rivers of Blood' speech, or as Powell preferred to call it, 'the Birmingham speech,' would do well to read it first, because it has been abused and misquoted by left wing opponents who believe in multuculturalism with the fervour of an Islamic fundamentalist. Powell was right and they hated it, which is why the smeared him and anyone who dared question the immigration orthodoxy.
Powell was a linguist who loved India so much he learned two of her languages. His ambition was to be Viceroy of India. His 1959 speech defending the Mau Mau has been called the finest parliamentary speech of the 20th century.
Why people believe Powell was a racist is beyond my comprehension. Powell, when saying that in 20 years the black man will have the whip over the white man, was quoting a constituent's letter to him. And as a diligent constituency MP, Powell said he had an obligation to air those views, and he was very aware of the chorus 'of execration.' The Rivers of Blood was a quote from Virgil, as Powell was one of the foremost classical scholars of the 20th century.
This guy is such a douche. He says healthcare systems should be judged on the quality of treatment you get as soon as you are diagnosed. That makes the US system better on the grounds that hundreds of thousands of people don't get diagnosed at all as they can't afford the treatment so don't even bother getting diagnosed.
Thats because you wrongly seem to think a racist is the worst view a politican can have. That is a foolish view. Being a corrupt fool of a politican is much worse.
I am interested in hearing many different perspectives and I certainly do not have a strong belief system of any kind. But if I had to vote for Hannan or the NHS than i'm afraid he has no chance.
@borisbadger6666 I read all the time in British media about horror stories of people in NHS hospitals lacking water, decent care. Lazy nurses, filthy hospitals. As "bad" as American healthcare supposedly is, we rarely if EVER hear about such things here. Now the democRATS wants US to have your health system. What a crock.
I'm sure that there will be positive and negative reports of both health care systems, depending upon individual (therefore not universally representative) experiences coupled with the political viewpoints of the publications themselves. However, in my opinion what drawbacks there are in the NHS should tackled by specific changes- not by challenging the notion of national healthcare itself which I think is a fundamentally fairer. A cleaner hospital is not in itself better if only for the few.
@borisbadger6666 I beg to differ on clean hospitals. The easiest place to get an infection is in a hospital, therefore it is necessary to maintain the highest standards of cleanliness and handling of biohazards. My experience here is that American hospitals not only are clean, but they actually send out surveys after treatment, soliciting comments on the quality of the care. Do they do that in GB? Probably not. I remember the phrase: "We're the phone co., we don't care, we don't have to."
Right-wingers say they don't want idealism like left-wingers and that a free-market economy isn't perfect but it is better than what we have. I turn that argument on its head and say the same about the NHS. It isn't perfect but it is better than a society, which does exist regardless of what Thatcher thought, without a NHS. It is they who want idealism there.
I agree with some things Hannan says, but I think he's wrong about the NHS, it's not that bad. The USA spends like 17% of their GDP on healthcare and the UK spends about 7%, you would expect the USA's to be the best. The WHO ranked the UK's health system at 18 and the USA at 32. France spends around 9% and their healthcare is better than both countries. The NHS would be better if it was managed better, there's too much money being wasted.
@zBloodD3monz : As "little" as UK spends as a percentage of GNP, why are there so many chiefs, and not enough Indians in the NHS? Ideally, you'd have a much smaller bureaucracy, and with the freed up money, hire more doctors, nurses.
That's what im talking about with the NHS, there is too much bureaucracy. If the bureaucracy is smaller, then that money could be spent on improvements. That's the problem with the NHS.
"I read all the time in British media about horror stories of people in NHS hospitals". Just remember one thing, it's the media. Why would so many of us Brits want to keep the NHS if it was that bad?
With the NHS we pay for the privilege of waiting for care that we did not purchase. In the American system, pre-Obama care, you paid for, as dictated by the tax-code, insurance companies who violently excluded competition via state-selection of mandated insurance package, and then to receive care from a pool of carers limited to those whom legislation allows to give you simple treatments-and they wonder why costs are high? Fools! Only a free market can invest enough in healthcare to reduce costs
@Thetruthishere11 "We spend more on health care because we CAN haahahaha! thats hilarious, what you meant to say was 'some rich americans spend more on health care because they CAN'...everyone else gets thrown out on their ass and waits to die, lol i love the way your ranked so lower in the WHO stats that the only defence you have is to say they are "faked and lies", pathetic
Hannah ought to join UKIP... I am sure he would feel at home there with his views... particularly if you heard the rant of their leader Farage earlier this week.
The NHS is a failure - waiting 10 months for a simple procedure is a sign of a broken system. At least the Yanks have better doctors and hospitals then we do.
MissEgasMoniz 1 week ago
@MissEgasMoniz My fucking ass it is. The NHS outpreforms the USA for profit system in every area and they spend less than half the money.
Tens of thousands of dead Americans every year because HMOs will not cover them is proof of a failed system.
MsZeitgeist85 5 days ago
PART 2. It is ture that Singapore's Bismark Model for health care outpreforms the British NHS according to the WHO and UN rankins it is not even close to a Free Market. Danial Hannan is a hack that has no idea what he is talking about.
THere will never be a Free Market health care system because it is just unworkable.
MsZeitgeist85 2 weeks ago
Why do you think there is such a thing like free market healthcare in the US? It´s an overregulated disaster. It was much cheaper and more available in the 19th century than nowadays. A lot of health care was provided for free. The Flexner report started all the medical corporatism. Read Ron Paul´s health care programme for instance.
ThomasNigelHawkins 1 month ago
In the UK 93% of hte public rate the NHS as good or exellent. No for profit insurance company can even come close to that kid of customer satisfaction.
THis is 100% horseshit.
There is no such thing as a " Free Market " solution for health care and there never will be.
MsZeitgeist85 2 months ago
@MsZeitgeist85 Spot on.
Dendiol 1 month ago
@Dendiol I'm from Salford and the vast majority of people in Greater Manchester, I'm sure, would disagree with the point mszeitgeist85 makes. I'd be interested to find out where you are from and why you rate the NHS-not in theory but as it practically operates-in high regard? Please reply :)
Trustmeimastomach 1 month ago
@MsZeitgeist85 That simply is not true, i don't know where your facts come from but we don't rate the service as excellent or good.Most people certainly do not think that the service provided as it is is not competent or even beneficial. As Mr Hannan points out statistically it does not work and most importantly he states the main issue to be (5:56) " The government runs things badly" so even if a national health service in theory is a good idea, it doesn't work in reality
Trustmeimastomach 1 month ago
@Trustmeimastomach "Most people certainly do not think that the service provided as it is is not competent or even beneficial." The 'not' before competent was a mistake. I'm sorry, so very, very sorry :(
Trustmeimastomach 1 month ago
@Trustmeimastomach It is a stupid point and Hannan is full of shit. The Cancer survival rate argument is bullshit because you are comparing the % that get care in the US with the entire population of the UK. In the US 320 thousand people a year forgo Cancer treatment every year because they can't afford it. What's their cancer survival rate?
Obviouslsy the NHS does work and you are wrong.
MsZeitgeist85 1 month ago
@MsZeitgeist85 Hannan's a class Nazi. He wants to be like the guy in El Cid, who sits up stairs in his palace in Valencia gorging himself on the fat of the land while the poor sit in their slums getting absolutely nothing. Nope, no help to better yourself, no help to stay healthy, just so long as he gets his big house and Jag sat outside (all on MP's expenses, of course). This is what gives Capitalism more flaws than the film "Braveheart"! He's the evil greedy face of Capitalism.
Bubo25 1 month ago
@Bubo25 Where is your proof that he is greedy? Capitalism is not greed, it is reward for the most successful. Greed is more likely to come from lazy socialists like you who think the government owes you something.
mayne242 2 weeks ago
@Bubo25 You say he is a Nazi, then you say he is a capitalist, he is either one or another make your mind up.
MrGilles1990 5 days ago
@MsZeitgeist85 Even if those facts aren't entirely accurate (which based on how many politicians don't want to have to back track i doubt they are wrong) but that doesn't win the whole argument. You intelligent little lamb, you
Trustmeimastomach 3 weeks ago
@Trustmeimastomach The USA is the only country that allows for profit Pirmary Care Insurance and the only country that does not allow the payers to collectivley bargin with the acception of the VA. The USA ranks dead last in health care systems of all developed nations despite the fact we spend more than any other country.
The verdict is in and the system this crackpot is advocating is a failure.
MsZeitgeist85 3 weeks ago
Please provide a reference as to where Daniel Hannan has advocated the US model for healthcare. I think you'll find he hasn't. So an apology is due from you for a mindless bit of ad hominem. Hannan has advocated the Singaporean model for healthcare; and has he has so fluently pointed out, on every healthcare metric, the citizens of Singapore are much healthier and fitter than us Brits.
Please find a quote from Hannan suggesting he supports the US system... I'm begging you
Bastiat90 2 weeks ago
@Bastiat90 PART 1 Danial Hannan doesn't even know what the Singapore Model is. Hannan has said that he is advocating a "Free Market" model. The definition of a Free Market system is where the payer has no regulations of denial or coverage and all payers have no collective bargining ability with the health care providers and drug companys. Singapore's model is nowhere near this. Their payers have strong collective bargining with providers and they are all non profit and regulated.
MsZeitgeist85 2 weeks ago
Mr Hannan is perfectly aware of what he talks about. America isn't a free market healthcare system. Singapore is a mixture of public and private provision.
Bastiat90 2 weeks ago
@MsZeitgeist85 A French or German healthcare would be preferable, the NHS does not work for the 21st century.
MrGilles1990 5 days ago
@MrGilles1990 France which is ranked 1 by the WHO has 80% of its system nationalized. Germany ranked 24 is the non profit Bismark Model. The UKs NHS is ranked 18th.
MsZeitgeist85 5 days ago
@MsZeitgeist85 It's about 70% but even so it's a private system to the common Brit.
MrGilles1990 4 days ago
@MrGilles1990 So are you advocating a mixed system? That is what the countrys that rank the highest have.
MsZeitgeist85 4 days ago
@MsZeitgeist85 A mixed healthcare system, yes but that would still mean privatising 50% of the NHS. Which is considered privatisation.
MrGilles1990 3 days ago
Comment removed
tjmac7 2 months ago
He says only the VERY rich can go private. BS! Most middle-class ppl go private! Too expensive my arse!
Bubo25 3 months ago
LOL The question should be would I rather be POOR and ill in the UK or the US? The answer would be poor and ill in the UK, because at least I'd get treatment. In the US if you're poor and ill you get absolutely sweet fuck all! As for the rich cunt in the vid, he'd go private...if he ever enters our country, that is.
Bubo25 3 months ago
@Bubo25 Wow, stupidity this large should come with a health warning not unlike that on cigarette packets!! The question is you shouldn't rather be poor and have to have free health care. If the society you lived in aided you in the pursuit of prosperity the issue of health care cost would be a moot one. Our country promotes handouts in many forms which de-motivate our incentives to succeed because we always have free things to fall back on. Socialism has more flaws than the film "braveheart"!
Trustmeimastomach 1 month ago
@Trustmeimastomach "I know my place". Far from helping people to succeed at the bottom, it puts up barriers. "No, sorry, you can't do this because **** " Fill in the blank with some rich person's excuse because they're afraid of the riff-faff moving in next door. The class Nazis here find any way/excuse to stop the poor from bettering themselves. It's not what you know it's what money you've got. Orwell: "England is a family with the wrong members in charge.
Bubo25 1 month ago
@Bubo25 Socialised systems do exactly what you are claiming these 'class Nazi's' are attempting. The point is everything about how we are governed needs to change. Get out of centralisation in everything. The less things we leave to government charge, the less things will be messed up and most importantly the less tax we have to pay. That money doesn't vanish-it's now in our pockets. Private enterprises would spring up which always drives prices lower. That's the idea in a loose sense
Trustmeimastomach 3 weeks ago
Daniel Hannan is a nobody career politcian end of !!!
mc28x 4 months ago
@mc28x You obviously know nothing about Daniel Hannan.
mikesheen741 2 months ago
Hannan thinks the EU is making its citizens less free, but is still happy to be part of the MEP gravy train. I'm sure he rationalises this very easily.
BomberAl123 4 months ago
@BomberAl123 That's because he's providing the voice of opposition and he's there trying to stop the EU pushing through laws on to us by voting against them.
mikesheen741 2 months ago
ApLIAR,
Heart disease is WORSE in the USA system, as are ALL the majour diseases except cancer, don't beleive me look up OECD facts on health care, boy I'd love to interview this idiot.
bakersteven3 5 months ago
Apparently he believes slave owners are the way we should go !!.
Not surprising really, given he hates modern england.
Please Hannan goto the USA and stay there you tax dodging liar.
bakersteven3 5 months ago
Hannah has never lived in SOUTHEAST ENGLAND, his family made money in facist peru by using slave wages and he was sent to a private school then given a plac ein Oxford. he now lives in brussels and spain. He has nothing to do with the UK, he knows nothing about being english or the NHS, as he lies about it and never uses it as he's neve rbeen in england !
he is th elowest level of politicians you can have, below council members ! Basically he's an embarrassment ot the Conservatives.
bakersteven3 5 months ago
Most of the cost of medical care is administrative costs, you cut out the costs of it and suddenly medicine will become very cheap all around the world, so cheap in fact the only costs would be manufacturing. Ever wonder why it costs so much less to buy pet medicine then human medicine?
GunsOfThePhoenix 7 months ago
This guy wants to scrap the NHS. Not better it. He thinks that the NHS is dead and wants a privatised system. This guy is only popular in the US and even then only with the far-right!
lizziedavidson1987 7 months ago
@lizziedavidson1987 I beg to differ... I am a liberal, traditionally left wing chap! I understand that the NHS is a near disaster - if you have had any family terminally ill then you would know very well the short-comings of the HNS - it is a wonderful institution and great to have free health - but it has been run into the ground by successive governments both left and right! it's symptomatic of the BIG government in this country, I want small, de-centralised government, not bureaucracy /quango
rugbyboy198127 7 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@rugbyboy198127 My cousin is in Yorkhill children's hospitial; receiving first chemo, now radiotherapy for a brain tumour (benign) from (you guessed it) the NHS. she is in extremely capable hands and was seen very quickly. So don't patronise me!
lizziedavidson1987 7 months ago
@rugbyboy198127 For a " a liberal, traditionally left wing chap!)" Your support for Hannan and Powell would seem to be a somewhat odd. A very old neighbour friend (over ninety) and terminally ill has been given first class care and support over a number of years from a wide variety of groups both NHS and voluntary. Certainty the NHS like any large organisation needs constant change but given the choice between the barbaric US system and UK's UHC I think most in UK would support the NHS..
davijeph 7 months ago
@davijeph well unfortunately the same cannot be said for my father's treatment.... i speak not of the wonderful doctors and nurses who cared for him and allowed him to die at home with dignity etc but i speak of the lack of availability of cancer drugs, i speak with the knowledge that he would almost certainly lived in other countries....were the nhs not wasting money on IVF or trimming the excess fat off previously obese people, perhaps they'd have had the money to pay for drugs2save his life!?
rugbyboy198127 7 months ago
@davijeph of course i dont support the US system but if we allow the nhs to continue to deteriorate then in all honesty i dont see much difference! if you have the money there is no doubting the fact that one ought to go private if one wishes for the best treatment... this i feel is inherently wrong and the nhs sure has her priorities totally messed up! it is the national health service not the national make one self feel better about one's self service etc etc it is now a national disaster mate
rugbyboy198127 7 months ago
Fuck Hannan and his right wing extremist viewpoint.
janebusby 8 months ago
@janebusby Oh shutup you silly wet liberal tit.
Kozzy06 6 months ago
The man is the mouth peice of right wing greed. Iam from the South east of England and this C**t does not represent me.. Iw ould like to see him in a fertiliser bag, also his account of history is dubious in the extreme.
whiskasalpha 8 months ago
The man is the mouth peice of right wing greed. Iam from the South east of England and this C**t does not represent me.. Iw ould like to see him in a fertiliser bag..
whiskasalpha 8 months ago
fucking rodent.
yesyesohyay10 9 months ago
@yesyesohyay10 I know, why work when Obama and the dumbass Dems pay millions of Americans to sit on their asses and do nothing? Ain't America great?!?
THEKINGOFEUR0PE 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
daniel hannene for pm liberty.freedom and democracy are true British principles and we should embrace them again.Remember Payne was BRITISH
emperorqwerty 9 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
daniel hannan for pm now liberty,freedom and democracy are true british princinples and we should embrace them again. remember Payne was BRITISH
emperorqwerty 9 months ago
daniel hannan for pm now liberty,freedom and democracy are true british princinples and we shpuld embrace tem again. remember Payne was BRITISH
emperorqwerty 9 months ago
Hope to God England wakes up and makes this guy their prime minister!
wtfjaftw 9 months ago
Christ, he is ultra intelligent!
He can take a complex issue and get at the nub of the problem while handling social, economic or political hurdles that, for others, serve as ammunition to discredit the overall argument.
Very difficult :)
delatroy 10 months ago
What a fucking wanker this bloke is. An MEP who claims to hate Europe. Which is a bit like being a cyclist but hating bikes. Useless fucking tosser not even good or bad enough to get into the proper Tories.
RedJoe10 10 months ago
@RedJoe10 Agreed.
Dendiol 9 months ago
@RedJoe10 So you suggest that a person who hates lawyers, having been wrongly charged with some felony, should not get any representation in court, even this means being convicted? Instead of serving as a back bencher in Westminster, he represents his ideas in a place where he can put his ideas into publics knowledge in a better way.
tbdkuphk 9 months ago
C.U.N.T
peacefrog1916 11 months ago
Left wing journalists? Christ what a load of bullshit. The vast majority of journalists are right wing conservatives. FACT. That's why the small rich elite who run the world get richer while the rest of us get poorer.
IMFHater 11 months ago
@IMFHater That fact was pulled out of your @ss. The vasy majority of journalists vote Democrat. One assumes they are not conservatives.
gocrew6900 10 months ago
@IMFHater Really? In england it's overly left wing, and what ever is "right wing" it is neo-conservative which isn't conservative it's a form a Fabian socialism, lol rich get poorer is from socialism and corrupt capitalism. When the markets are free there is the greatest distribution of wealth. This has been shown through history time and time again, when we take the welfare and the dependency we get poorer and poorer. Haven't you looked at Rome, Greece, and China?
wtfjaftw 9 months ago
No, Hannan is completely misreading the real histoy of the American Revolution, his understanding of it is surprisingly shallow & conventional from what he says here.
kcirdrab 1 year ago
wannabe american prick
tjc874 1 year ago
@tjc874 lmao,no offense but i dont know anyone who wants to be 'american'.id be intrested to know why you think anyone from a developed country would want to be american
looknfortruth 11 months ago
Britain has painted itself into a corner. All the useless public sector employees, immigrants, union leaders and lazy oafs on benefits now outnumber those that actually do something useful. Ergo, they will only vote for a party that keeps them in this lifestyle, which will lead to the destruction of the country. Britain needs to be spilt into 2 countries - 1 Labour dominated, 1 Conservative dominated. The Labour half will eventually collapse and be reduced to farming & eking out a living.
Gruntol5 1 year ago
Honest politicians... what strange creatures...
TimothyBragan 1 year ago
Brilliant, brilliant video. Very intelligent man indeed.
Tracywithafacey 1 year ago
@Tracywithafacey please dont be fooled,i agree with alot of what he and his party stands for,but its common knowledge the party is funded and has these policies to counteract the real british party,the bnp.just an shill for the state
looknfortruth 11 months ago
I adore Mr. Hannan and give this thumbs up. But, "disintermediate"? Ahem. (Well, I'll forgive him because of his awesome threads.)
Aeschylus 1 year ago
yes you may be better off with medical treatment for cancer in the usa but only as long as you can afford the medical cover 'otherwise its blue cross or die . there is nothing to stop someone from taking out medical insurance in the uk but everyone should contribute to the n h s so as we don't end up in hannans new americanized britain .were it would simply be the devil take the hindmost .
MrStewart149 1 year ago
How can he of all people not recognise why people love his speech... Because the people love truth and courage, and he articulated and showed both. Because the message of stopping the government spending and localising government control mean more than he could obviously ever imagine to the individuals who promote him and his ideas.
pureaggression 1 year ago
nobody takes him seriously
EternalRhyme 1 year ago
is hannan gay?
kyotoloto 1 year ago
I agree with Hannan on the NHS, but the majority of people don't. That is why, although I personally oppose state healthcare, I would not abolish it if I ever came to power. I would hold a referendum and accept the result no matter what.
MrYoungIndependence 1 year ago
this guy is sooo dumbbb i want to punch him in the head
timetochilli 1 year ago
@timetochilli Why, you've convinced my to your superior intellect with that compromising statement regarding this gentleman's lack of intelligence.
metaljaybird 1 year ago
I hope Hannan is just ignorant; if not, he's abiding by a very antiquated form of evil. He thinks Britain has lost freedoms since the 18th century? Jesus.... That was a time when the country was very literally run by the landowners; tenants and peasants were not allowed to vote. The first feminists had yet to emerge and be shouted-down as lunatics. Trade unions were banned. The whole country was run in the interests of the business classes.
Maybe Dan would like that. He is a Tory.
henrythesteinberg 1 year ago
Herbert Spencer once said that 'the ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.'' It is because of that dictum that I must re-educate you. Britain has lost freedoms since the 18th century. Hannan is not talking about freedom of wealth. He is talking about what Paine called the Rights of Man. These have been diluted, commensurate with the rise of government.
VonMises1990 1 year ago
Hannan advocates the Jeffersonian view that ''the government is best which governs least.'' You cannot legislate to change human nature, which is what lefists have tried to do for 200 years. Marx praised capitalism on several occassions, most notable in the Communist Manifesto when he correctly identified it as the destroyer of feudalism.
VonMises1990 1 year ago
It appears that you are an undiluted bigot... ''He is a Tory.'' Does it make you feel powerful and substantial because you can insult Toryism? Does it make you feel special? Human beings are by nature conservative. The yearning for family, marriage, stability and the profit motive (which dosen't automatically mean monetary profit). The profound principles of Toryism will always be relevant
VonMises1990 1 year ago
E.g. human beings are fallible and often irrational. As Friedrich Hayek once said, ''man does not, and cannot know everything, and when he acts as if he does, disaster follows.'' Any attempt to change human nature by 'rational' politics are doomed to end in failure because we are incapable of predicting the future. The philosopher John Gray is the main proponent of this view. Max Weber failed miserably in his quest to build the perfect democracy with the Weimar.
VonMises1990 1 year ago
To conclude, we are all conservatives. Systems of human organisation work best when they are developed organically through traditions, culture and history, free from the grip of moral and cultural relativism. In England, our laws were not created, but grew out of a reaction to certain crimes. Habeus Corpus, the Magna Carta etc grew out of a need to respect the citizen. England gave the world parliamentary democracy.
VonMises1990 1 year ago
In 1688, Britain experienced the 'Glorious Revolution.' It was peaceful, and responsive, and led to what Burke called 'the perfect constitutional settlement,' a mixture of monarchy, aristocracy and democracy, each acting as a check on the excesses of each other. Britain avoided fascism and communism because of this, and our traditions gave birth to the American Revolution, whereas 'rational' planning gave us the French Revolution and Robespierre.
VonMises1990 1 year ago
Our responsive and organic traditions made our tiny island the most powerful nation the world has ever seen. Our tiny island was the head of an empire in which 'the sun never set.' France failed to do that despite its revolution. The Germans failed twice. America succeeded because of its devotion to conservativism and English political traditions.
VonMises1990 1 year ago
Now, after your bigoted and misinformed attack on Hannan for being 'a Tory,' perhaps you could apologise to Mr Hannan and all us conservatives. You can also choose to thank me if you wish for providing you with a free lesson in conservative philosophy and British history. It was a free lesson so you can put your wallet away sir. As a capitalist, I believe in voluntary communitarianism, not coercive socialist communitarianism.
An apology and a thankyou will be very much appreciated sir.
VonMises1990 1 year ago
@VonMises1990
Pretentious windbag
henrythesteinberg 1 year ago
Wow... as insults go that is pretty weak and substandard... rather like your intellect. I was looking forward to some social deconstruction and all I got was a pathetic insult. Why not try and address the points comrade? Why not address the truth. Is it because... ''YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH'' mkay?
I'm still glad I re-educated you. It costs nothing and contributes to the eradication of socialism because you were unable to defend it. You know you are a Tory sir, admit it to yourself
VonMises1990 1 year ago
@VonMises1990
An intelligent person would write this, "as insults go that is pretty weak and substandard", like this, "that insult was pretty weak", as the meaning of the word substandard is already included in the meaning of the word weak.
Stop trying to write how you think intelligent people write. It's embarrassing to read. I'm not going to reply properly because you're just repeating the Austrian party line and I've heard it 100 times.
Got any ideas of your own?
henrythesteinberg 1 year ago
@henrythesteinberg no, your not going to reply properly because you know he's right and theres no real way around it...
ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz 1 year ago
@VonMises1990
Do I detect a hint of autism?
henrythesteinberg 1 year ago
Is that a rhetorical question?
VonMises1990 1 year ago
Hideous creature.......
zKa0sz 1 year ago
Take a look at my video about Dan Hannan's slagging off of the nhs
watch?v=9v9XxPSHJkc
ourhandsaretied 1 year ago
Daniel Hannan for Prime Minister
WatchingEngland 1 year ago
Privatising the NHS would improve efficiency and create competition. What can possibly be wrong with that?
JoshPHooker 1 year ago
@JoshPHooker Well, half the population would be without healthcare as was the case before the war, that would be the problem with that.
buffboydan 1 year ago
This is an awesome man. Can you imagine if he was running the UK? It would be a ridiculously massive improvement. People who be like "WTF just happened? Why have all stupid problems in this previously fcked up country disappeared?". "Hannan just happened". "Ah, that explains it." It would be so good that english ppl definately wouldnt vote for it. They enjoy misery so they can complain about it.
tothemax01 1 year ago
Why does Hannan spend so much time sucking up to the Yanks?
intheblood1 1 year ago
@intheblood1 Because he knows if he said half of things he does here in Britain he would be chased out by angry pitchfork wielding mobs.
smezec 1 year ago
Apotheosis of democracy and the free market
SirDanielHayesMBE 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Anybody have a source for where he says US citizens live longer after diagnosis with a terminal disease? This would be a big help for me. Thanks
TimeForTowels 1 year ago
Anybody have a source for where he says US citizens live longer after diagnosis with a terminal disease? This would be a help for me. Thanks
TimeForTowels 1 year ago
Cunt.
pardeepsinghk 1 year ago
Britain can't afford the NHS any longer. It's as simple as that. I acknowledge that some things should be nationalised, but healthcare is not one of them.
MrYoungIndependence 1 year ago
Daniel Hannan is a fuckin god
NJRocks281 1 year ago
Mr Michael C. Moynihan is son of bitch dirtty asshole and his family is bordel. his mother was prostitute and his children are gaylesbians :))
GeorgiaNatoUkraine 1 year ago
@GeorgiaNatoUkraine Wow, thanks for that intelligent rebuttle, idiot. If Georgians fight as well as you think, then it's no wonder that the Russians wiped their arses with you a couple of years ago.
Pseudonym25 1 year ago
The NHS goes against all our essential freedoms. Britain should seek to emulate the American system, whereby healthcare facilities are owned and operated by the private sector, and people pay for their own healthcare using Health Credit Vouchers. This would extent patient choice by allowing them to spend a share of their tax earnings on a private healthcare plan. How could it be fairer?
MrYoungIndependence 1 year ago
LIBERTARIAN eh?
Okay Hannan, let's imagine your UK utopia.
Tomorrow morning you go to the supermarket & discover there's no food on the shelves.
When you ask why, you find out that every UK citizen has done the free-market, private-enterprise thing, & decided to work 4 themselves.
Question: How long before you send in the shock troops & force them back onto the production line? After all, sauve dickheads must have someone to deliver up their venison.
TheElasticJesus 1 year ago
I am in awe of this man
suspect1985 1 year ago
If Hannan is such a 'force' in British politics, then why is he an MEP? Come on Hannan! If Britain is yearning for Libertarianism then put your money where your mouth is! Scared you might lose your cushy MEP salary & benefits?
PrivetAyeUK 1 year ago
@PrivetAyeUK
He obviously has you by the tail.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11 WTF does that mean? Is that an American expression?
PrivetAyeUK 1 year ago
Hannan is not representative of most MEPs. Cancer figures are often quoted but often quite sekectiveley forgetting that cancer stas from the U.S. are suspect. (1) They are slanted towards the teaching hospitals. (2) US doctors are inclined to overtreat meaning many relatively well people get treated and "cured".Less than half the US population is covered by cancer registers compared to 100% in the UK.
hauskalainen 1 year ago
I disagree with Hannan on the NHS. It's a fantastic institution. Yes, it has its faults, but can you imagine having to pay for your life? It's repulsive.
TheUKIPSupporter 1 year ago
Your insurance pays for your life you tool. Just like your taxes pay for yours. Only we can decide who our doctor and insurance company is.
NJRocks281 1 year ago
@NJRocks281 I have always thought that what is wrong with the American system is this. It is excellent but very expensive (16% of GDP) .There are too many lawyers in american society and they will sue any doctor off his hind legs so doctors have to take out massive insurance to offset this. The idea of Obamacare is to place healthcare in the hands of politicians/lawyers .DONT DO IT .GET RID OF YOUR LAWYERS.
tincoffin 1 year ago
fair enough
NJRocks281 1 year ago
@NJRocks281 "Only we can decide who our doctor and insurance company is."
Right on!!
TheLegalImmigrant05 1 year ago
the NHS is a form of force and what hannan would be against
stjimmy111111 1 year ago
Absolute legend - he speaks the truth!
Pepotamo1985 1 year ago 12
Hannan's not arguing for a U.S style system, he's arguing for a different system to the one we have now. The NHS is old fashioned and out of date and is froma time when governments thought they could run everything. The fact that many people arent willing to even debate this issue without throwing their rattle out of the pram is a shame because we could end up with a better quality health service. Those who refuse to adapt to the NHS because of their socialist dogma are the true conservatives.
boovidge 1 year ago 34
@boovidge I agree. The US system is undeniably better than what we have here. A return to private healthcare would mean that patients would be able to choose between various styles of healthcare. Free the markets!
MrYoungIndependence 1 year ago
@boovidge dogmatism isn't the same as Conservatism
SirDanielHayesMBE 1 year ago
@boovidge Hault immigration, withdraw from the e.u get out of afganistan and spend the billions wasted every year on the nhs?
stokie1999999 1 year ago
There is a very real danger that vermin like Hannan will return to government on Thursday. Looks like it's back to the dark ages ...
TimMiddleton 1 year ago
THIS IS A REAL TORYS
tescoskick 1 year ago
Daniel Hannan wants the end of the NHS.
The REAL Tory view.
janebusby 1 year ago
@janebusby i'm not sure its the abolition of the NHS which is necessarily what is wanted by the tories, or at least needed by england. realistically are the conservatives going to completely reform the health system? i am elated by politicians like hannan, but I (as a medic student, not an anecdotal idealist) believe the NHS DOES work well. or COULD, with less administrative power, and more money actually going into the sectors where it is needed
Theodoremuth 1 year ago
I like Hannan but what he doesn't mention is that the U.K tries its very best to aid the impoverished and the vulnerable in its health system. In the U.S.A those in destitute circumstances are, in regards to health, up a well known creek without a paddle. So would I rather be treated in the U.S.A or the U.K? Well it depends how rich I am!
gassfactor 1 year ago
bellend, this twat does not represent the majority of the UK.
TheMrbollox 1 year ago 2
@TheMrbollox Doesn't he? How do you know?
theredraven 1 year ago
@theredraven i agree, lets see the votes, kind of why we do this whole democracy thing
Theodoremuth 1 year ago
Those who criticise 'the Rivers of Blood' speech, or as Powell preferred to call it, 'the Birmingham speech,' would do well to read it first, because it has been abused and misquoted by left wing opponents who believe in multuculturalism with the fervour of an Islamic fundamentalist. Powell was right and they hated it, which is why the smeared him and anyone who dared question the immigration orthodoxy.
Mickmars90 1 year ago
Powell was a linguist who loved India so much he learned two of her languages. His ambition was to be Viceroy of India. His 1959 speech defending the Mau Mau has been called the finest parliamentary speech of the 20th century.
Mickmars90 1 year ago 3
Why people believe Powell was a racist is beyond my comprehension. Powell, when saying that in 20 years the black man will have the whip over the white man, was quoting a constituent's letter to him. And as a diligent constituency MP, Powell said he had an obligation to air those views, and he was very aware of the chorus 'of execration.' The Rivers of Blood was a quote from Virgil, as Powell was one of the foremost classical scholars of the 20th century.
Mickmars90 1 year ago 3
Comment removed
nothavingnoneofit 1 year ago
seriously daniel hannan is an insult to all British NHS supporters.
were455 1 year ago
Best tory by a country mile.
Revan21254 1 year ago
This guy is such a douche. He says healthcare systems should be judged on the quality of treatment you get as soon as you are diagnosed. That makes the US system better on the grounds that hundreds of thousands of people don't get diagnosed at all as they can't afford the treatment so don't even bother getting diagnosed.
What a prat. Makes me disappointed to be British.
HansZuberbuhler 1 year ago
Can't wait till he's prime minister,
What a legend.
pete6256 1 year ago
@pete6256 If he was, very soon after, there would open revolt.
sonofcy 1 year ago 2
@HansZuberbuhler This bloke made some sense but when he mentioned the NHS i lost my consentration.
samtheman180 1 year ago
Enoch Powell? How can he be influenced by a racist.
hi262779 1 year ago
1. Enoch Powell wasn't a racist.
2. Even if he was a racist, it means nothing. He was a true libertarian and he believed in the freedom of the individual.
youfatstinkypoo 1 year ago
Thats because you wrongly seem to think a racist is the worst view a politican can have. That is a foolish view. Being a corrupt fool of a politican is much worse.
WhitePowerForEngland 1 year ago
@hi262779
What makes you think that Enoch was a racist, speaking the truth?
Fonyod2008 1 year ago
@Fonyod2008 because wasn't Powell's speech aimed at persecution of black people living in the UK?
Cena60793 1 year ago
"The state is not a good manager"- The universal truth,
dzikv01 1 year ago 2
British ppl eh?
majikninja07 1 year ago
The best eh?
codownni 1 year ago
@codownni good message i just lol at your accents
majikninja07 1 year ago
i know, sexy init?
codownni 1 year ago
if you like boys fag
majikninja07 1 year ago
U a bloke? Majik ninja? thought you must have a pair pf knockers.
codownni 1 year ago
@codownni Yes i am
majikninja07 1 year ago
I am interested in hearing many different perspectives and I certainly do not have a strong belief system of any kind. But if I had to vote for Hannan or the NHS than i'm afraid he has no chance.
borisbadger6666 1 year ago 2
@borisbadger6666 I read all the time in British media about horror stories of people in NHS hospitals lacking water, decent care. Lazy nurses, filthy hospitals. As "bad" as American healthcare supposedly is, we rarely if EVER hear about such things here. Now the democRATS wants US to have your health system. What a crock.
soco13466 1 year ago
I'm sure that there will be positive and negative reports of both health care systems, depending upon individual (therefore not universally representative) experiences coupled with the political viewpoints of the publications themselves. However, in my opinion what drawbacks there are in the NHS should tackled by specific changes- not by challenging the notion of national healthcare itself which I think is a fundamentally fairer. A cleaner hospital is not in itself better if only for the few.
borisbadger6666 1 year ago 2
@borisbadger6666 I beg to differ on clean hospitals. The easiest place to get an infection is in a hospital, therefore it is necessary to maintain the highest standards of cleanliness and handling of biohazards. My experience here is that American hospitals not only are clean, but they actually send out surveys after treatment, soliciting comments on the quality of the care. Do they do that in GB? Probably not. I remember the phrase: "We're the phone co., we don't care, we don't have to."
soco13466 1 year ago
Right-wingers say they don't want idealism like left-wingers and that a free-market economy isn't perfect but it is better than what we have. I turn that argument on its head and say the same about the NHS. It isn't perfect but it is better than a society, which does exist regardless of what Thatcher thought, without a NHS. It is they who want idealism there.
Kevinasp 1 year ago
if this balding dude wants to get some more credibility he can stop labeling people as 'leftist' etc.. it pisses me off so much.
jamspooge86 1 year ago
Shut up, u leftist!
Fliegertruppe 1 year ago
again the ad hominim attack.. pretty low dude.
jamspooge86 1 year ago
I agree with some things Hannan says, but I think he's wrong about the NHS, it's not that bad. The USA spends like 17% of their GDP on healthcare and the UK spends about 7%, you would expect the USA's to be the best. The WHO ranked the UK's health system at 18 and the USA at 32. France spends around 9% and their healthcare is better than both countries. The NHS would be better if it was managed better, there's too much money being wasted.
zBloodD3monz 1 year ago 9
@zBloodD3monz : As "little" as UK spends as a percentage of GNP, why are there so many chiefs, and not enough Indians in the NHS? Ideally, you'd have a much smaller bureaucracy, and with the freed up money, hire more doctors, nurses.
soco13466 1 year ago
@soco13466
That's what im talking about with the NHS, there is too much bureaucracy. If the bureaucracy is smaller, then that money could be spent on improvements. That's the problem with the NHS.
"I read all the time in British media about horror stories of people in NHS hospitals". Just remember one thing, it's the media. Why would so many of us Brits want to keep the NHS if it was that bad?
zBloodD3monz 1 year ago
With the NHS we pay for the privilege of waiting for care that we did not purchase. In the American system, pre-Obama care, you paid for, as dictated by the tax-code, insurance companies who violently excluded competition via state-selection of mandated insurance package, and then to receive care from a pool of carers limited to those whom legislation allows to give you simple treatments-and they wonder why costs are high? Fools! Only a free market can invest enough in healthcare to reduce costs
Nintendomanwill 1 year ago
@zBloodD3monz
WHO statistics are faked and lies. Our population has deaths from gangwarfare and automobiles in higher numbers. That will skew any stats.
We spend more on healthcare because we CAN and we DO. We like to do it. Sometimes docs need more testing because of legal worries.
So quit using GDP to pump up the NHS which is bad quality rationed long wait healthcare.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11 "We spend more on health care because we CAN haahahaha! thats hilarious, what you meant to say was 'some rich americans spend more on health care because they CAN'...everyone else gets thrown out on their ass and waits to die, lol i love the way your ranked so lower in the WHO stats that the only defence you have is to say they are "faked and lies", pathetic
tigerfedor 1 year ago
@tigerfedor
Taxing savers and investors will get you no where in life.
Everyone gets care at the hospital. Most americans have insurance or pay cash.
Our GREEDY government steals our money and wastes it with Medicare and Medicaid which are bankrupting us.
Government = waste and abuse. Thought you Labour yankers would have learned that. Guess some never learn.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
Hannah ought to join UKIP... I am sure he would feel at home there with his views... particularly if you heard the rant of their leader Farage earlier this week.
Kevinasp 1 year ago
LOL. He is part of UKIP
Moionfire 1 year ago
He is to the right of the present Conservative party... almost reaching Genghis Kahn on the political spectrum.
Kevinasp 1 year ago