Here in Norway, you can get treated for pretty much anything if it's not too major. Stiches for example. You go into the emergency reseption and they stich the wound up in a matter of minutes. They don't charge for ambulances. $50 or something for 7 stiches. You can pay for it up to a month later, since everyone in Norway gets free lifeinsurance.
@ZILOGz80VIDEOS I owe an ambulance $2,000 for a 5 minute ride! It's ridiculous. I had like 4 ambulance lifts that week and I think once in a police car, and I don't think the cop charged me anything, but yeah... Cuba has free healthcare? What's wrong with this country?
I don't get why Americans don't want others to be treated, The only losers would be the multinational medical insurance lobbys that charge everything at extortionate prices, it is they that have the most to lose.
Obversly when pharmacutacel tests would do the job, cost cutting proceedure requires a prostate exam ...your condition being highly contagious you will not be allowed to leave untill we are done seeing how far we can get a finger up your arse before you wince. Its a good system. 8(
@chickenppox "im just curious do people in europe scare their children with bed time stories about american healthcare coverage?"
No - the American electoral system is far more frightening. I've literally scared kids shitless when I tell them that Sarah Palin might get elected president and get control over the nuclear button.
@paulredmonkey actually i think your right there. The NHS is one of the biggest things we have to pay for in this country and it does make me wonder how much it does cost each working person in this country. I may have to go off and do some maths!
The national insurance is a con. Im paying all that for 40 odd years to end up probably popping my cloggs about 2 years after retirement lol. We get sod all pension from the state anyway
Wait - I'm American - so having a national healthcare system DOESN'T make you commie? That certainly isn't what the health insurance companies have been telling us.
@skoockum Nationalists are typically very right wing, and America seems to be very patriotic and conservative, so I was saying that anything left of right wing nationalism doesn't make you a communist.
Its not FREE i pay £150 a month in national insurance BY FORCE and my company pays more. Imagin what that does to the economy. Jesus, small businesses must strugle so much.
What are you complaining about? On average people in the US pay $402 a month then still pay 200 something on average for anything more then a checkup. With latest conversion rates that is £282. Suddenly £150 for FULL coverage isn't so bad now is it? Plus it cost every american about $552 to cover emergency room visits each year. Next time do research before you try to convince people how horrible NHS is.
Yes but my company has to pay even more on top of that. However i am not against the NHS really. I just feel there are much better systems. This video says the NHS is free. Its not. Its very expensive. The US system is corrupt, corporate and a total mess. That doesnt mean private health care always fails. The free market isnt perfect. It sometimes fails. That doesnt mean we should socialise it every it doesnt work the way we want.
Stop watching Fox News. The NHS is not rationed. Do you honestly think if the NHS was as bad as the American Media portrays, there would be so many British people jumping to its defense? Are you that blinded. The NHS is a wonderful system. Its saved my life, its saved the lives of my family members before as well, and all without bankrupting us. We have the NHS because we believe everyone should be healthy, regardless of whether they can afford to be healthy or not!
Don't take the bait. They want people to try to defend public healthcare as "not rationed" because it obviously is, because ALL healthcare is rationed. This isn't Star Trek, we don't have a post-scarcity society. Doctors ration care all the time. The real difference is that public healthcare rations it in a sane, sensible manner, while the American style system does it in an absurd, sociopathic manner.
@DeamonStorm666 Yes you do have rationing. Simple as. Out of the Australian, New Zealand, Canadian, British, and U.S. systems, the percentage of patients waiting for more than four months for elective surgery is in single digits in only the U.S. That's because they don't have price controls there. 38% of patients in Britain have to wait more than four months. That's according to the OECD. That's only one of a number of forms of rationing that you are a victim of.
You are, of course, talking crap. However, I will admit that there are waiting times for certain, non-urgent, procedures. For something life threatening or critical in natures the wait time is very low. Its as simple as that. Besides, we all know where the WHO rates the UK on the chart of health care when compared to other countries. We are doing very well thank you very much. And of course there is a budget to operate within, but that doesnt equate to rationing.
@DeamonStorm666 I expect you to accuse me of talking crap because this is YouTube. Yes, you do have a budget and the NHS is an ever expanding black hole which is increasingly becoming a political nightmare.
Rationing for elective surgery? Who gives a fuck?
Elective surgery means there's no emergency and the only reason it's so much lower in countries without universal healthcare is because those surgeries are so expensive most people don't get them.
If its an emergency you don't wait, my granddad was taken into hospital recently and he had four operations in 2 days but that doesn't mean anything because some people have to wait a while for an ingrown toe nail?
@JoeJC I live in Japan (which is socialized) and never waited more than a week (hospitalized@ $60/day) for an operation. I generally only pay about 5 bucks for an allergy visit, and my prescriptions are usually under 10. My wife who has cancer never has had to wait, and had a cap put on her monthly expenses as a special case. By contrast, we found the cancer when we were in the states and spent the first 3 months fighting with bc. People are fine with taxes because it works for everyone.
@DeamonStorm666 Absolutely, I can think of no better use for tax money than to have my balls checked. But seriously, I am an American (who has lived in Japan for 9 years), and I know that such systems work fine. Even the politicians who supposedly support some kind of national health plan get skiddish when I say I support universal health care. I think the fear stems from how the poorly managed partial solutions we implemented attracted only the low-lifes. Cheers
See when people think of private healthcare they compare it to the American system. Which i hate even more than the socialist one we have here. All you need is good strong regulation and a government now owned by big pharma and private health care companies and it would work.
The idea that the NHS can provide a cheaper service just because it doesnt look for profit is crazy. It is a single huge entity which has a huge majority and a complete monopoly on the market. Even the very few private health care systems in the UK dont stand a chance because your forced to pay for the NHS anyway so you may aswell use it.
Competition, free market and efficiency work. Big fat socialized systems which just get money pumped into it every time it fails, dont.
@sy2pie You realise you're being retarded. The only reason you think your system is better is because American's are generally all the most pathetic patriots in the world.
You try anything to fight that your country is the best when in reality it's quite simple, a health service you have to pay for or one that's free, that's what it boils down to, and that's where the UK wins, this time.
Just accept that you'd love to be able to not worry about getting sick.
@piepiepie900 It's not free, you pay for it through your taxes. Given my recent experiences of the NHS I'd rather have lower taxes and pay for proper healthcare privately...
@RobM77 Yes, but high tax rates in Britain aren't due to the NHS, which is relatively quite cheap.
Besides, if you REALLY hate the NHS (for some reason, no idea why, it's not as bad as it's portrayed) then you can pay for your own proper healthcare privately.
If we adopted the American system we'd be paying high amounts of tax AND our own healthcare. Our system works well for our country.
Im English and living in the UK. I pay £150 per month towards the NHS. In America according to my friends over there it would buy me a very good cover plan. Not to mention the £200 per month my company has to pay on top of that. Imagin what that is doing to our economy.
Anyway i hate the corrupt corporate american system probably more than you guys do. I think the Europeans have it the best. Which is a mix in the middle.
My, aren't you full of yourself? Here you are, thinking you know me so well, that you can claim whether my opinions are my own or not.
The wording "Free health care" comes from the idea that you pay nothing up front. It's a poor choice of wording I'll admit and you did get me there but if you'd bother to read my post in full, you would have seen that I specifically stated that I'd be paying tax money into maintaining it. I made no claims that it was completely free.
Last year I was diagnosed with Prostate Cancer. I received world class surgery using the latest robotic equipment, performed by a team of brilliant surgeons - and all done on the NHS. I didn't have to pay any extra money for my treatment - no co-payments, just some minor out of pocket expenses for travel. I can now look forward to a long and cancer free life.
If anyone tries to tell me the NHS is crap then they'll get the sharp edge of my tongue.
@mandolinic Does your junk still work? I hear that's a common complication of prostate cancer? Then again, a lot of guys' junk stops working proper long before they the big P.
You're ignoring my question so you can nitpick my wording. Allow me to reiterate then:
Why do you consider it a better alternative; Privatized insurance over Nationalized insurance?
A standardized business model is to make money in order to stay in business. A standardized political model is to keep the people happy so that you stay in office. Insurance companies have a nasty reputation of denying claims to people, in order to acieve greater profit.
@comanchio1976 its a policy which is implemented at ward level. One staff nurse described it as "hospital politics"
Basically a comatose patient is assessed and if they tick too many illness boxes and will be expensive to treat then they are being declared as beyond medical health and not offered support with maintaining airway or given nourishment via tube.
The problem is made worse by nursing staff not recording improvements in comatose patients. They are just left alone to die.
@Lawlessuk And of course, such financial considerations NEVER EVER in a million years happen in the health care systems of any other country in the world. We all know just how well (say) the US health care system looks after comatose patients with no hope of recovery. It NEVER EVER happens that an insurance company (assuming the patient actually HAS insurance) pulls the financial plug on a comatose patient. It must be wonderful to live in a country like that.
@mandolinic After seeing for myself & speaking to others who have experienced similar incidents I would gladly pay private medical insurance.
I hope you never have to keep a watch over the paperwork & charts, or go & feed your loved one everyday because nurses wont assist them to eat & have to chase a dr to fix a nasal tube so they can have their usual meds.
BTW, his coma was caused by a urine infection. Found after being transferred to a diff hospital.
NHS love their facebook members (they fire them if they talk too much about the obvious).
There is no difference between American health (fraud) care and the British English version. They are the same con. And people should stop bitching on about their health rights being violated in any way. look after yourself, don't fall for drug propaganda.
"Britain's health service makes it the only one of 11 leading industrialised nations where wealth does not determine access to care,,,""The survey, by US health thinktank the Commonwealth Fund, showed that while a third of American adults "went without recommended care, did not see a doctor when sick, or failed to fill prescriptions because of costs", this figure was only 6% in the UK and 5% in Holland."
In the US, the average cost of a family health policy with no "deductible" (we call it an "excess") is around $13000 (£8000), but prices vary with age, pre-existing conditions, and between states. Prices will be lower if you choose a higher deductible (excess) and agree to pay a percentage of each treatment (co-payment). Schemes offered by employers are common and usually cheaper.
I hope I haven't misrepresented the position - not my intention.
Its not FREE. Nothing is FREE. I pay £450 a month in direct taxes out my wage before im even allowed to see it. Without my permission. Which goes on other peoples health care, housing and such.. Alot of them who i do not know or care for. All i want is to be in control of my own destiny and my own life. Im sick and tired of people mooching off my hard work. This isnt freedom. You would be VERY surprised how many people would manage to magicly work if these freebies were taken away from them.
Yes i suppose i should spend my life paying for everyone elses health care. Just because the American system was corrupt and over priced doesnt mean we had socialize it!
@sy2pie True, it's not free. But you're aged 25 and unlikely to have any serious health care problems. Wait till your 60 with cancer and you might feel differently.
Well thats all well and good but the system is flawed! As there are getting more and more old people, living longer and such its putting a huge strain on our country. Especially since half the people my age dont even fucking work. So i gotta pay for them too! I honestly think we should follow americas route but just control these over powerful healthcare companies and cut down costs. Every man for himself
@sy2pie If you're worried about taxes, then your best option is to start your own business, hire good accountants and get them to minimise your tax liability while you get rich. It's a technique which works either side of the Atlantic.
@sy2pie You are aware that there are significantly more people than jobs in Britain... If every job going at all was taken tomorrow.. there would still be really high unemployment. Anyway, would you rather pay tax towards everyones healthcare, or get seriously ill (rendered unable to work) and wind up in debt that you could never pay back? Also, lack of social housing wouldn't make people work (given that there aren't any jobs) but would, infact, make more people desperate and turn to crime.
I have to throw in a question here. How is it a better alternative to give money to an insurance company that's just going to pocket the cash and declare it profit while you're healthy and then initially resist paying you when you're sick, to maintain set profit, as opposed to paying the same, if not less money to a government agency that provides everyone, including yourself with free health care?
@smartverity The NHS isn't free and it never has been, it's paid for out of taxes. Just like defence, schools, police, and so on. The UK is a democracy and the voters have democratically decided that they like and want the NHS, and they are therefore prepared to pay for it. However, that does not mean that I'm suggesting the same model will work elsewhere, especially not the US.
I thought this stood for National Honor Society.....
Also...I despise the new Health Care Law, but I know our current one is screwed up. If people would be people, and not greedy selfish bastards only looking out for themselves and their wallets we wouldn't have to worry about things like this.
@kbr7171 Actually to see a dentist takes only a few days, just make sure to book your appointment early, MRI's likewise are relatively quick, but they won't just give you one without SOME medical reasoning behind it.
Maybe that's how's it in america, where you need to have random MRI's and tooth removals.
Heck with me, I can see a doctor straight in the morning provided I go to the clinic early, this whole american waiting lie is beginning to get farcical.
@kbr7171 In my local NHS GP surgery you can always see a doctor the same day. I recently needed an MRI and had it within a week. Ironically, our dentist is completely private and the waits are terrible for routine appointments, but for emergency work you can always see someone within 24 hours (usually a lot quicker), but of course you then have a pay quite a lot (unless it's covered by Denplan insurance).
Lots of misinformation and disinformation being passed along in the comments. If you really want some facts, there is a video on YouTube--a lecture by Elizabeth Warren called the "The Coming Collapse of the Middle Class". It's nearly an hour long but youll be be a wiser man or woman at the end. Statistic throw of a lot of counter intuitive information. For a taster: statisically the fastest growing group with no health insurance is families with children.
The American way of thinking about health care makes no sense at all. If health care isn't a right, why did Reagan pass the EMTALA act stopping emergency rooms from denying people treatment? If insurance companies are out for profit, then why did they keep my uncle on the company plan even as he cost them about $500,000 (an educated guess) in cancer treatments during the last two years of his life. I wish we had a British or French system so this stupid debate could end once and for all.
@6KiiDZ well...when it costs you 50 dollars just for the doctor to say hello to you...there is a problem with your health care system. When it costs you 500 dollars to visit an emergency doctor to get a half dozen stitches...you have a problem with your health care system. get the idea? We pay for health insurance, and taxes. But we can still be bankrupted if we have any major medical problem.
@6KiiDZ - don't let them lie to you. Insurance pays for the medical bills. This guy is just mad because he opted for the el'cheapo insurance plan to save a couple bucks and so he has a high deductible. the US healthcare system works. And if the government got out of our way and let us comparison shop the different insurance companies, it would work much better. Unfortunately our current government thinks it is a better idea to grab more power and FORCE us to adopt a system like the NHS.
@KurNorock First question, how many health care companies do we have? Second, what if they all raise prices together? Third, theoretically as a single consumer what power do you have over a large market consisting of multi-billion dollar companies that can technically (in your righteous world view have unlimited power, thank you laissez-faire economics) do whatever they want.
@astupid16yearold - There are no healthcare companies. There are hundreds of health insurance companies. They won't raise prices together because each is looking to grow in size and make more profit. They only way they can do that is by being competitive with the other insurance companies. This ensures lower prices. That is how free markets work. Teaming up to raise prices collectively only serves to open the door to a company who did not participate. And it is illegal anyway.
@KurNorock let me explain to you what i mean...lol. "They won't raise prices together because each is looking to grow in size and make more profit. " not exactly a huge deterant to not raise prices. Like you said there are limitations as to where you can buy insurance from, thereby cornering the market for certain companies who can raise and lower premiums at their discretion. My question as to your power pertains to the situation in which you are wronged, you can't do anything as a consumer.
@astupid16yearold - It is the only reason needed. If 5 companies offering the same service join together and say "Hey lets all raise our prices equally!" it only takes one to back out and not do it, to suddenly steal all the customers from the other 4. That alone keeps the companies in check. The only reliable way to make profit and grow your business is to offer good services at low enough prices to attract customers away from your competitors.
@KurNorock "it only takes one to back out and not do it, to suddenly steal all the customers from the other 4."
In the UK we have a competitive car insurance sector, and gas/electricity sector, yet most people do not opt for the cheapest company because of the hassle of changing at each renewal. I'm just as lazy myself- I only recently opted for a cheaper car insurance after 5 years, and I know I should look again for a cheaper energy company ... but it's too much bother to change.
@mandolinic - You don't have to tell me you are lazy. I already knew that from the fact that you are a supporter of nationalized health care. So you want to be lazy and let the government take care of your crap for you on somebody elses dime? Why not? Why not put programs like NHS in place to further encourage people to be just as lazy as you. What could possibly be wrong with that?
@KurNorock It's not somebody else's dime. It's my dime. I pay my taxes and I get healthcare included in the deal. I'm not sponging off other people and I'm not getting something for nothing.
@mandolinic It's not sponging it's just that we were so impressed by the US army providing 100% cover free at the point of delivery for all of its troops we decided to adopt it ourselves! Do you know, it works! So thank you very much! I know from personal experience, the NHS has saved the life of my son and daughters and never once did I have to worry if some dirt-bag insurance company is going to cut off cover or that I was going to have my credit rating trashed or go bankrupt.
@astupid16yearold - And you said yourself, there are limitations on where we can buy our insurance. It is not to a point yet where the companies can raise or lower premiums at will, but it could eventually get there. So if that is the problem, WHY ON EARTH would we fix it by re-doing the entire system, rather than just getting rid of the useless regulations that are damaging the current system?
@astupid16yearold - I can do plenty as a consumer. For one, I can be responsible for my own decisions and use goods and services from reputable companies. As far as health insurance I can even chose to NOT have any insurance at all if I so desire (which I did for 12 years) I can chose a different insurance company, I can find a private company not through my employer. I can petition my employer to switch to a different company.
@astupid16yearold - The last thing a corporation wants is to lose customers. Without customers, the corporation has no profit, without profit they fail (unless Obama bails them out) so the customers have all the power over the corporations. It is up to the corporations to keep the customers satisfied, meaning better goods and services and fair prices.
The govt. doesn't have to do that. They can charge whatever they want and spend as much as they want until the country falls apart.
@KurNorock lol man i'm a little confused, why to a health insurance company would it be a bad thing to drop a customer that just got diagnosed with breast cancer, yet has paid their health insurance bill for 10 years. You say the company works for your best interest, but that is idealistic and in this world quite often wrong; they world for THEIR best interest. And in this world their best interest is to have you pay them, yet at the same time find way not to pay for you.
@astupid16yearold - It is a bad thing to drop patients when they get sick because once that happens the customers lose their trust in the company and drop them for another company.
You can make up all the "what if" senarios you like, but the facts are that insurance companies do not just drop patients if they think it will cost too much to help them. Of course there is a screening process to make sure a person really is sick, and every once in a while a sick person will be denied coverage.
This is very rare and is usually rectified. The system is not perfect, and ridiculous regulations make it less so. But for any business to grow and make profit, it needs the trust of the people it sells to. Why do you think people go back to the same car dealerships every time they buy a car? The same reason people usually sign up for the same insurance plans as their parents. TRUST. So yes, the best interest of a company is to look out for your best interest.
@KurNorock No it's not rare. you can find many sad stories of people who were dropped when their medical bills started coming in. My point is a corporation is run for itself not for everyone, and you may in your idealistic point say that people then would not trust the insurance corporation, but they don't care. Why do they care about you or a hundred other people they dropped. They have millions of customers, you're just a drop in the bucket. You'll come running when your wronged.
@KurNorock There is a story about how the Germans came and they took the gays, the handicapped, the colored, and the Jews, but the man didn't care. but then one day they came for him, and he called out for help and there was no one left, only him. it is our duty to stand up for each other, in this world people only want to look out for themselves but what happens when they are the one being wronged. Then they expect everyone to come to their aid. So next time you think selfishly, reconsider.
@astupid16yearold - Funny how you use the german national socialist workers party (NAZI) as a bad example while trying to convince me that socialist medical care is a good idea.
Do you know why the U.S. is the most powerful country in the world? Because until just recently its citizens were mostly self reliant. The very instant you become reliant on the government is the instant your life is no longer yours.
@KurNorock Funny how you use an example of true blue fascism as socialism. You should learn a bit of history. But your argument is the old argument of government vs corporation, which would you rely on? Well as it's been said, stop being afraid of the government, you ARE the government. You have a vote and a voice in our country and you are free to make choices and attempt to influence others. And to your point i would rather be less reliant on a machine that is run for itself not for all
@astupid16yearold - The only way the people can be the government is if the people do not rely on the government. When the government is small the people have power. When the people get lazy and reliant on the government (welfare checks, food stamps, health care, etc.) the government holds the power because the people reliant on those things will vote for the same politicians who keep supplying their food stamps.
@KurNorock rofl, i don't think you understand what fascism and socialism are. fascism is extremely corporatism or a few own most of the resources while socialism is the situation in which people (government) own the means of production or industry. They are completely different ideas. You should really start by learning some basic political ideas before you discuss the merit of privatization of health.
@astupid16yearold - lol, I like how you still think a socialist government is the people. Socialist governments don't give a crap about the people. A socialist government is just a few people running everything... like fascism. Just look at EVERY single socialist country out there. the government is a few wealthy people while the populace is poor.
Just because you know the definition of socialism and fascism does not mean you know what they really are.
@KurNorock I do actually and have visited several of these these countries before, you make the mistake of confusing socialism with communism, don't worry it is common among people like you. Socialism can be a democracy, but you should do a little research. And there are several instances where socialism has worked perfectly but it eventually is torn down by rich and others seeking power, communism tears down socialism in Spain, supported by the English left in the Spanish civil war.
@astupid16yearold - The only difference between communism and socialism is the illusion of a democracy. And democracies are a stupid idea as well. This country is (for the time being) a republic. And socialism has NEVER worked. It can't work.It takes away the incentive to succeed and totally abolishes competition, which breeds growth.
@astupid16yearold - Fascism is just socialism once it takes over a country.
And of course corporations are out for themselves. but they take us along for the ride. Like I said, if they start doing things like dropping sick people just to save a few bucks, they begin to lose clients. And don't give me that BS about people not caring. If that were true anybody could start and run a huge corporation. People make choices. That is why 7-11 is going out of business while QT is opening new stores.
@astupid16yearold - and by the way I wouldn't rely on either one. I am SELF RELIANT. self reliance is the true form of the American dream. It is the idea that you can live your own life and do as you please as long as you don't infringe on the rights of others. Your lot in life is determined by the amount of effort you are willing to put in. The very idea that the government should force me to give them my money so they can give it to other people is disgusting.
@astupid16yearold - I am not thinking selfishly you dolt. I am thinking in terms of what is best for everybody. Can you honestly tell me you would rather be beholden to the government than to be self reliant? Are you really so lazy? How is a NHS any better than welfare or food stamps? It is not even about health care, it is about the government getting as many people reliant on it as possible. Why? Votes. Power. Corruption.
@KurNorock A corporate machine is accountable to none while a government is accountable to their peoples. one is run for money and greed and one is run for people, your pick. and btw i have golden private insurance. My mother and father are both business owners. my mother is a doctor, and as someone who works from the inside you can see how little the insurance companies care for the people they insure.
@astupid16yearold - Well, what a nice coincidence for you to be 'on the inside'. Let me ask you something, since your parents are business owners, does that mean they are selfish, evil, greedy bastards? Because so far you have been telling me that every private business is run that way. Or is it that YOUR PARENTS are different? Has it ever occured to you that these corporations are run by PEOPLE? People just like your parents, just like you or me.
@astupid16yearold - I'd also like to point out that you are probably confusing the insurance companies attempts to stop insurance fraud with 'evil greedy corporate death mongering'
@astupid16yearold - The government has an advantage no private corporation will ever have. They don't have to make a profit. Hell they don't even have to stay within a budget. They spend your money like there is no tomorrow and there is no consequences for it. That is what breeds true corruption. And because you believe the lies they tell you, you let them get away with it.
A universal health system is nothing but a way for the government to tell you how to live your life.
@astupid16yearold - Once they have you under the universal plan they can tell you to stop eating fast food because it is a factor in heart disease, which costs money to treat. They can outlaw salt, or butter (yes it can and already HAS happened in other countries) they can impose huge taxes on recreational activities they arbitrarily decree as 'dangerous' all in the name of reducing costs for healthcare.
@astupid16yearold - A woman asked Obama during his campaign if the new universal healthcare system would pay for her 100 year old mother to get a pace-maker. As it turns out the womans mother already got the pace-maker from a doctor (after a first doctor refused due to her age) and was now 105 years old and enjoying life. Obama's response was that he would rather the old woman was put on pain pills rather than have an expensive surgery. In other words, zonk her out on drugs untill she dies.
@astupid16yearold - watch?v=Z84hTRtSV1U here you go. be prepared to have your "the government loves everybody and Obama is god!" world crumble around you.
@KurNorock You lose all credibility when you use extremely edited videos to make points that don't exist. because you were to lazy to find the right video I had to do it for you. Here is the video where they don't chop it up and edit the pieces together to make Obama sound like a murderer, they just let the man talk. watch?v=xJYvaLS-xOw&feature=related
@astupid16yearold - You're right, that was much worse. He explicitly lied about several things including there not being a bureaucracy making end of life decisions (it is in the bill) and completely lied about health insurance companies not paying for treatments because a person is too old. And no matter what the context, he STILL says the woman's mother should have probably just taken pain killers instead of the pace-maker.
@KurNorock It's okay man i won't argue anymore, to tired of arguing lol, just remember that people aren't looking out for your best interests and that (i assume) as a middle class american we should look out for each other and make sure when politicians make laws that in the end they benefit us, and our fellow countrymen not just a small minority, We are all Americans.
Long live the NHS: The one thing the British can still be proud of as a nation.
GenericRubbishName 2 weeks ago
O_O
samarria777 1 month ago
Argentina do it too.
cyberdeliaaa 2 months ago
Here in Norway, you can get treated for pretty much anything if it's not too major. Stiches for example. You go into the emergency reseption and they stich the wound up in a matter of minutes. They don't charge for ambulances. $50 or something for 7 stiches. You can pay for it up to a month later, since everyone in Norway gets free lifeinsurance.
Faust013 2 months ago
@Faust013 but its even better in sweden eh? Free?
DancingMedicineMan 2 months ago
..you got your testicles felt..? FOR FREE?! THIS. IS. MADNESS.
Fynniann 2 months ago
Cheaper to buy a gun and a bullet than pay for medical care...
8YOURMAMA8 2 months ago
I got my blood drawn and it cost $200!! and yes, I checked, the little cotton swab with tape did not contain hard drugs.
ZILOGz80VIDEOS 2 months ago
@ZILOGz80VIDEOS I owe an ambulance $2,000 for a 5 minute ride! It's ridiculous. I had like 4 ambulance lifts that week and I think once in a police car, and I don't think the cop charged me anything, but yeah... Cuba has free healthcare? What's wrong with this country?
DaliDahmerly 2 months ago
@DaliDahmerly agreed
ZILOGz80VIDEOS 2 months ago
I wish it was free here too, cuba has a free health car system CUBA, FREEKING CUBA MAN!!
ZILOGz80VIDEOS 2 months ago
I owe my life to the NHS too.
I don't get why Americans don't want others to be treated, The only losers would be the multinational medical insurance lobbys that charge everything at extortionate prices, it is they that have the most to lose.
America has lost it's humanity to greed.
MrVillamike 3 months ago
god bless america.
hypocrisyLOL 3 months ago
Ive decided to just blow my brains out when i inevitably get sick . Fairly cheap and at least the family wont be stuck with all the bills .
SUPerFreakUsa 4 months ago
In Soviet Russia, state looks after you!
Well that was terrible. You can shoot me now.
leeham991 5 months ago
Obversly when pharmacutacel tests would do the job, cost cutting proceedure requires a prostate exam ...your condition being highly contagious you will not be allowed to leave untill we are done seeing how far we can get a finger up your arse before you wince. Its a good system. 8(
temporaldisplacement 5 months ago
I could not agree more. The NHS is a gem.
xaltotunofpython 5 months ago
what the...
ZuperDuperNoodle 6 months ago
Do all of you videos have special messages in the tags? It made me CSWPNTBISTBDMWRTWFF.
UtsniatheMightyOne 6 months ago
im just curious do people in europe scare their children with bed time stories about american healthcare coverage?
chickenppox 7 months ago 22
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@chickenppox "im just curious do people in europe scare their children with bed time stories about american healthcare coverage?"
No - the American electoral system is far more frightening. I've literally scared kids shitless when I tell them that Sarah Palin might get elected president and get control over the nuclear button.
mandolinic 7 months ago
@chickenppox We do :3 If you're not washing your hands we send u too america where u die for not washing your hands >:) thats one of em :)
heisenfeis 6 months ago
@heisenfeis lol
chickenppox 6 months ago
@chickenppox Oh no it's not just europe. Us Australians do it too :)
Fynniann 2 months ago
Free? nothing in life is free my friend.
usainlightning 7 months ago
@sy2pie
national Insurances ISN'T for NHS, it is for your state pension when you retire,
NHS is funded via direct taxation
paulredmonkey 7 months ago 3
@paulredmonkey actually i think your right there. The NHS is one of the biggest things we have to pay for in this country and it does make me wonder how much it does cost each working person in this country. I may have to go off and do some maths!
The national insurance is a con. Im paying all that for 40 odd years to end up probably popping my cloggs about 2 years after retirement lol. We get sod all pension from the state anyway
sy2pie 7 months ago
Wait - I'm American - so having a national healthcare system DOESN'T make you commie? That certainly isn't what the health insurance companies have been telling us.
skoockum 8 months ago 4
@skoockum Just so you know, being left of nationalist doesn't automatically make you a communist.
NightmareCinemaChild 8 months ago
@NightmareCinemaChild How does nationalism fit into this?
skoockum 8 months ago
@skoockum Nationalists are typically very right wing, and America seems to be very patriotic and conservative, so I was saying that anything left of right wing nationalism doesn't make you a communist.
NightmareCinemaChild 7 months ago
@NightmareCinemaChild So then, how does irony work in satire? ;)
skoockum 7 months ago
Its not FREE i pay £150 a month in national insurance BY FORCE and my company pays more. Imagin what that does to the economy. Jesus, small businesses must strugle so much.
sy2pie 8 months ago
@sy2pie
What are you complaining about? On average people in the US pay $402 a month then still pay 200 something on average for anything more then a checkup. With latest conversion rates that is £282. Suddenly £150 for FULL coverage isn't so bad now is it? Plus it cost every american about $552 to cover emergency room visits each year. Next time do research before you try to convince people how horrible NHS is.
LucianUramu 7 months ago
@LucianUramu
Yes but my company has to pay even more on top of that. However i am not against the NHS really. I just feel there are much better systems. This video says the NHS is free. Its not. Its very expensive. The US system is corrupt, corporate and a total mess. That doesnt mean private health care always fails. The free market isnt perfect. It sometimes fails. That doesnt mean we should socialise it every it doesnt work the way we want.
sy2pie 7 months ago
Technically, it's not free since you pay for it by paying more in taxes.
Yyyyzyyy 8 months ago
Thank god we'll soon be in the EU's power and they scrap the mannerless bastards who work at the NHS. Give those fuckers a taste of the real world
willbgoode1 8 months ago
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JDhudgens2 8 months ago
Very good
NHSinformation 8 months ago
The last thing the USA needs to do is adopt the horrible rationed NHS system.
cwood4ever 9 months ago
@cwood4ever
Stop watching Fox News. The NHS is not rationed. Do you honestly think if the NHS was as bad as the American Media portrays, there would be so many British people jumping to its defense? Are you that blinded. The NHS is a wonderful system. Its saved my life, its saved the lives of my family members before as well, and all without bankrupting us. We have the NHS because we believe everyone should be healthy, regardless of whether they can afford to be healthy or not!
DeamonStorm666 9 months ago 84
@DeamonStorm666 Good deal.
MasterGojo 9 months ago
@DeamonStorm666
Don't take the bait. They want people to try to defend public healthcare as "not rationed" because it obviously is, because ALL healthcare is rationed. This isn't Star Trek, we don't have a post-scarcity society. Doctors ration care all the time. The real difference is that public healthcare rations it in a sane, sensible manner, while the American style system does it in an absurd, sociopathic manner.
AdNeeb 8 months ago
@DeamonStorm666 Yes you do have rationing. Simple as. Out of the Australian, New Zealand, Canadian, British, and U.S. systems, the percentage of patients waiting for more than four months for elective surgery is in single digits in only the U.S. That's because they don't have price controls there. 38% of patients in Britain have to wait more than four months. That's according to the OECD. That's only one of a number of forms of rationing that you are a victim of.
JoeJC 6 months ago
@JoeJC
You are, of course, talking crap. However, I will admit that there are waiting times for certain, non-urgent, procedures. For something life threatening or critical in natures the wait time is very low. Its as simple as that. Besides, we all know where the WHO rates the UK on the chart of health care when compared to other countries. We are doing very well thank you very much. And of course there is a budget to operate within, but that doesnt equate to rationing.
DeamonStorm666 6 months ago
@DeamonStorm666 I expect you to accuse me of talking crap because this is YouTube. Yes, you do have a budget and the NHS is an ever expanding black hole which is increasingly becoming a political nightmare.
JoeJC 6 months ago
@JoeJC
Rationing for elective surgery? Who gives a fuck?
Elective surgery means there's no emergency and the only reason it's so much lower in countries without universal healthcare is because those surgeries are so expensive most people don't get them.
If its an emergency you don't wait, my granddad was taken into hospital recently and he had four operations in 2 days but that doesn't mean anything because some people have to wait a while for an ingrown toe nail?
Priorities people.
MrWarrenLO 5 months ago
@DeamonStorm666 Indeed, some have equated the fact that many Americans can't afford insurance or healthcare to another kind of rationing.
unholyimage 6 months ago
@JoeJC I live in Japan (which is socialized) and never waited more than a week (hospitalized@ $60/day) for an operation. I generally only pay about 5 bucks for an allergy visit, and my prescriptions are usually under 10. My wife who has cancer never has had to wait, and had a cap put on her monthly expenses as a special case. By contrast, we found the cancer when we were in the states and spent the first 3 months fighting with bc. People are fine with taxes because it works for everyone.
unholyimage 6 months ago
@unholyimage Yeah but we Americans are different some of us would abuse the system and bankrupt our country.
jledford72 5 months ago
@DeamonStorm666 Absolutely, I can think of no better use for tax money than to have my balls checked. But seriously, I am an American (who has lived in Japan for 9 years), and I know that such systems work fine. Even the politicians who supposedly support some kind of national health plan get skiddish when I say I support universal health care. I think the fear stems from how the poorly managed partial solutions we implemented attracted only the low-lifes. Cheers
unholyimage 6 months ago
@DeamonStorm666 HEY!!!!! the american system saved my wifes life too. course.... had to go bankrupt afterwards. but stil, shes alive.
birddseedd 4 months ago
@cwood4ever Drop dead then, and see if we care
ecology0 8 months ago
@cwood4ever
Can you explain then why life expectancy is higher in UK than US?
T0X0PHILUS 8 months ago 2
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@cwood4ever You got owned. You fucking faggot.
worshipmeyoupeasants 8 months ago
Way to take it personally, 13 year olds of America.
ThatNinjaGuy4 9 months ago
See when people think of private healthcare they compare it to the American system. Which i hate even more than the socialist one we have here. All you need is good strong regulation and a government now owned by big pharma and private health care companies and it would work.
sy2pie 10 months ago
The idea that the NHS can provide a cheaper service just because it doesnt look for profit is crazy. It is a single huge entity which has a huge majority and a complete monopoly on the market. Even the very few private health care systems in the UK dont stand a chance because your forced to pay for the NHS anyway so you may aswell use it.
Competition, free market and efficiency work. Big fat socialized systems which just get money pumped into it every time it fails, dont.
sy2pie 10 months ago
I take it you're probably one of the richer ones...
dillondownie 10 months ago
@sy2pie You realise you're being retarded. The only reason you think your system is better is because American's are generally all the most pathetic patriots in the world.
You try anything to fight that your country is the best when in reality it's quite simple, a health service you have to pay for or one that's free, that's what it boils down to, and that's where the UK wins, this time.
Just accept that you'd love to be able to not worry about getting sick.
piepiepie900 9 months ago
@piepiepie900 It's not free, you pay for it through your taxes. Given my recent experiences of the NHS I'd rather have lower taxes and pay for proper healthcare privately...
RobM77 8 months ago
@RobM77 Yes, but high tax rates in Britain aren't due to the NHS, which is relatively quite cheap.
Besides, if you REALLY hate the NHS (for some reason, no idea why, it's not as bad as it's portrayed) then you can pay for your own proper healthcare privately.
If we adopted the American system we'd be paying high amounts of tax AND our own healthcare. Our system works well for our country.
piepiepie900 8 months ago 3
@piepiepie900
Im English and living in the UK. I pay £150 per month towards the NHS. In America according to my friends over there it would buy me a very good cover plan. Not to mention the £200 per month my company has to pay on top of that. Imagin what that is doing to our economy.
Anyway i hate the corrupt corporate american system probably more than you guys do. I think the Europeans have it the best. Which is a mix in the middle.
sy2pie 8 months ago
the NHS is the best thing that ever happened to this country.
anyone who says otherwise is narrowminded, undeducated and rich.
but yet there are so so many americans who insist that such a system is bad. i mean its bordering on offensive, let alone stupid.
take sarah palin for example
i rest my case.
BasilFawlty4444 10 months ago 4
@Skurataw free on point of access.
jessicamaybailey 10 months ago
@Skurataw
My, aren't you full of yourself? Here you are, thinking you know me so well, that you can claim whether my opinions are my own or not.
The wording "Free health care" comes from the idea that you pay nothing up front. It's a poor choice of wording I'll admit and you did get me there but if you'd bother to read my post in full, you would have seen that I specifically stated that I'd be paying tax money into maintaining it. I made no claims that it was completely free.
Einargizz 10 months ago
Last year I was diagnosed with Prostate Cancer. I received world class surgery using the latest robotic equipment, performed by a team of brilliant surgeons - and all done on the NHS. I didn't have to pay any extra money for my treatment - no co-payments, just some minor out of pocket expenses for travel. I can now look forward to a long and cancer free life.
If anyone tries to tell me the NHS is crap then they'll get the sharp edge of my tongue.
mandolinic 10 months ago 6
@mandolinic preach it brother.
jessicamaybailey 10 months ago
@mandolinic Does your junk still work? I hear that's a common complication of prostate cancer? Then again, a lot of guys' junk stops working proper long before they the big P.
LoneGunman90 3 months ago
@Skurataw
You're ignoring my question so you can nitpick my wording. Allow me to reiterate then:
Why do you consider it a better alternative; Privatized insurance over Nationalized insurance?
A standardized business model is to make money in order to stay in business. A standardized political model is to keep the people happy so that you stay in office. Insurance companies have a nasty reputation of denying claims to people, in order to acieve greater profit.
Einargizz 10 months ago
Love the NHS :)
sugarcanegray 11 months ago 2
NHS is a DAMN good system. I've lived there. It's about time we had something like it in the U.S.
Hereticbooks 11 months ago 2
@Hereticbooks it's by no means perfect in how it is run and funded, but without it many people in the UK would suffer.
thetubewithin 10 months ago
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It is the business model of the insurance industry to not give you the services you've paid for. That's how they make their money, by not paying out.
If you don't see the problem with putting a company with those sorts of priorities in charge of saving peoples' lives, I don't even know what to say.
Vaishino 11 months ago
It is the business model of the insurance industry to not give you the services you've paid for. That's how they make their money, by not paying out.
If you don't see the problem with putting a company with those sorts of priorities in charge of saving peoples' lives, I don't even know what to say.
Vaishino 11 months ago
I don't really care how that sounds.
You seriously have no idea about this stuff at all?
All I can say is good luck if you ever need the NHS and happen to be in the wrong patient group.
Lawlessuk 1 year ago
@Lawlessuk What stuff? What patient groups are you talking about?
comanchio1976 11 months ago
@comanchio1976 Its called "Rationing" and is now common practise.
Lawlessuk 11 months ago
@Lawlessuk I know a good many people who work in the NHS and they arent aware of any of this. Is this some sort of Daily Mail wet dream?
comanchio1976 11 months ago
@comanchio1976 its a policy which is implemented at ward level. One staff nurse described it as "hospital politics"
Basically a comatose patient is assessed and if they tick too many illness boxes and will be expensive to treat then they are being declared as beyond medical health and not offered support with maintaining airway or given nourishment via tube.
The problem is made worse by nursing staff not recording improvements in comatose patients. They are just left alone to die.
Lawlessuk 11 months ago
@Lawlessuk And of course, such financial considerations NEVER EVER in a million years happen in the health care systems of any other country in the world. We all know just how well (say) the US health care system looks after comatose patients with no hope of recovery. It NEVER EVER happens that an insurance company (assuming the patient actually HAS insurance) pulls the financial plug on a comatose patient. It must be wonderful to live in a country like that.
mandolinic 10 months ago
@mandolinic After seeing for myself & speaking to others who have experienced similar incidents I would gladly pay private medical insurance.
I hope you never have to keep a watch over the paperwork & charts, or go & feed your loved one everyday because nurses wont assist them to eat & have to chase a dr to fix a nasal tube so they can have their usual meds.
BTW, his coma was caused by a urine infection. Found after being transferred to a diff hospital.
Still think its ok?
Lawlessuk 10 months ago
I no longer trust the NHS.
They have secret policies on treatment for different patient groups.
I wish it acted impartially as it is meant to.
Lawlessuk 1 year ago
@Lawlessuk Where's the evidence for this?
comanchio1976 1 year ago
@comanchio1976 Laying in a hospital bed learning how to talk and hold a cup again.
Lawlessuk 1 year ago
@Lawlessuk You think laying in a bed is equivalent to documentary evidence? You do realise how mad that sounds dont you?
comanchio1976 1 year ago
It was a good system until Andrew Lansley got his hand's on it.
movement26 1 year ago
Girl doctor
Balls felt up
Drugs
Free :D
Gotta love the NHS
ItzTheX 1 year ago
Hear that?
.Balls checked
.Drugs
FREE :D
spazmonkey618 1 year ago 38
NHS love their facebook members (they fire them if they talk too much about the obvious).
There is no difference between American health (fraud) care and the British English version. They are the same con. And people should stop bitching on about their health rights being violated in any way. look after yourself, don't fall for drug propaganda.
SimonDuvnjak 1 year ago
@SimonDuvnjak For the sake of other people here may I ask you stop bullshitting.
ajaj82 1 year ago
@ajaj82 Oh, so you must be an NHS butt kisser. Another sod that loves the idea of making people depend more and more on drugs.
On your profile page: "Some people say Im annyoing. I agree..."
Its spelt "annoying".
SimonDuvnjak 1 year ago
@SimonDuvnjak Haha. Ok well for starters I made this account when I was about 11.
ajaj82 1 year ago
@ajaj82 So acording to that and on your profile, you are 29yrs old.
SimonDuvnjak 1 year ago
@SimonDuvnjak Yes I lied.
ajaj82 1 year ago
@SimonDuvnjak You mean It's spelt annoying.
TheRealDinner 1 year ago
@SimonDuvnjak Pfft.
TheRealDinner 1 year ago
"Britain's health service makes it the only one of 11 leading industrialised nations where wealth does not determine access to care,,,""The survey, by US health thinktank the Commonwealth Fund, showed that while a third of American adults "went without recommended care, did not see a doctor when sick, or failed to fill prescriptions because of costs", this figure was only 6% in the UK and 5% in Holland."
sonofcy 1 year ago
Just some info for British readers:
In the US, the average cost of a family health policy with no "deductible" (we call it an "excess") is around $13000 (£8000), but prices vary with age, pre-existing conditions, and between states. Prices will be lower if you choose a higher deductible (excess) and agree to pay a percentage of each treatment (co-payment). Schemes offered by employers are common and usually cheaper.
I hope I haven't misrepresented the position - not my intention.
mandolinic 1 year ago
I'm in favour of any place I can go where a woman will feel my testicles and give me drugs without me having to pay anything ;-)
mandolinic 1 year ago 2
Its not FREE. Nothing is FREE. I pay £450 a month in direct taxes out my wage before im even allowed to see it. Without my permission. Which goes on other peoples health care, housing and such.. Alot of them who i do not know or care for. All i want is to be in control of my own destiny and my own life. Im sick and tired of people mooching off my hard work. This isnt freedom. You would be VERY surprised how many people would manage to magicly work if these freebies were taken away from them.
sy2pie 1 year ago
@sy2pie
Sorry to break it to you but 'Every man for himself' doesn't pan out perfectly as economic strategy.
BelfastAtheist 1 year ago
@BelfastAtheist
Yes i suppose i should spend my life paying for everyone elses health care. Just because the American system was corrupt and over priced doesnt mean we had socialize it!
sy2pie 1 year ago
@sy2pie True, it's not free. But you're aged 25 and unlikely to have any serious health care problems. Wait till your 60 with cancer and you might feel differently.
mandolinic 1 year ago
@mandolinic
Well thats all well and good but the system is flawed! As there are getting more and more old people, living longer and such its putting a huge strain on our country. Especially since half the people my age dont even fucking work. So i gotta pay for them too! I honestly think we should follow americas route but just control these over powerful healthcare companies and cut down costs. Every man for himself
sy2pie 1 year ago
@sy2pie If you're worried about taxes, then your best option is to start your own business, hire good accountants and get them to minimise your tax liability while you get rich. It's a technique which works either side of the Atlantic.
mandolinic 1 year ago
@sy2pie You are aware that there are significantly more people than jobs in Britain... If every job going at all was taken tomorrow.. there would still be really high unemployment. Anyway, would you rather pay tax towards everyones healthcare, or get seriously ill (rendered unable to work) and wind up in debt that you could never pay back? Also, lack of social housing wouldn't make people work (given that there aren't any jobs) but would, infact, make more people desperate and turn to crime.
Jaliband 1 year ago
@sy2pie
I have to throw in a question here. How is it a better alternative to give money to an insurance company that's just going to pocket the cash and declare it profit while you're healthy and then initially resist paying you when you're sick, to maintain set profit, as opposed to paying the same, if not less money to a government agency that provides everyone, including yourself with free health care?
Einargizz 11 months ago
I have a couple of freinds here in the USA with Canaidan wives.
Actualy, one is living in Canda now because after he had kids he coudn't figure out how to get them insusred.
The other just got back from a plain trip to Canada because it was cheaper to do that than to get a certain test done here.
Those who are able to vote with theire feet do.
milascave 1 year ago
Perhaps you could explain the FORCED deductions in wages here in the UK that pay for the NHS if it's free?
smartverity 1 year ago
@smartverity The NHS isn't free and it never has been, it's paid for out of taxes. Just like defence, schools, police, and so on. The UK is a democracy and the voters have democratically decided that they like and want the NHS, and they are therefore prepared to pay for it. However, that does not mean that I'm suggesting the same model will work elsewhere, especially not the US.
mandolinic 1 year ago
I thought this stood for National Honor Society.....
Also...I despise the new Health Care Law, but I know our current one is screwed up. If people would be people, and not greedy selfish bastards only looking out for themselves and their wallets we wouldn't have to worry about things like this.
DefendinMyBase 1 year ago
our little cartoon guy didn't say how long it took him to see a doctor. what's the wait for a dentist? an mri?
kbr7171 1 year ago
@kbr7171 Actually to see a dentist takes only a few days, just make sure to book your appointment early, MRI's likewise are relatively quick, but they won't just give you one without SOME medical reasoning behind it.
Maybe that's how's it in america, where you need to have random MRI's and tooth removals.
Heck with me, I can see a doctor straight in the morning provided I go to the clinic early, this whole american waiting lie is beginning to get farcical.
Ckererec 1 year ago
@kbr7171 Long wait > never being seen at all.
NalaNosivad 1 year ago
@kbr7171 You can book an appoinment the same day
Zoopedia 1 year ago
@kbr7171 In my local NHS GP surgery you can always see a doctor the same day. I recently needed an MRI and had it within a week. Ironically, our dentist is completely private and the waits are terrible for routine appointments, but for emergency work you can always see someone within 24 hours (usually a lot quicker), but of course you then have a pay quite a lot (unless it's covered by Denplan insurance).
Of course, your milage may vary!
mandolinic 1 year ago
Inb4 Kurnorock dies of old age posting comments on youtube
finalfantasiservii 1 year ago
it's a good system
thehegarty87 1 year ago
the fuck is going on in the comments?
raveakidd 1 year ago 38
Lots of misinformation and disinformation being passed along in the comments. If you really want some facts, there is a video on YouTube--a lecture by Elizabeth Warren called the "The Coming Collapse of the Middle Class". It's nearly an hour long but youll be be a wiser man or woman at the end. Statistic throw of a lot of counter intuitive information. For a taster: statisically the fastest growing group with no health insurance is families with children.
But have a lot. I learned a lot.
CobinRain 1 year ago
I think I'll get myself checked in with the NHS, particularly in light of the testicles and nurses combination.
m1trekker 1 year ago
@m1trekker ...and drugs
lockheed22 1 year ago
The American way of thinking about health care makes no sense at all. If health care isn't a right, why did Reagan pass the EMTALA act stopping emergency rooms from denying people treatment? If insurance companies are out for profit, then why did they keep my uncle on the company plan even as he cost them about $500,000 (an educated guess) in cancer treatments during the last two years of his life. I wish we had a British or French system so this stupid debate could end once and for all.
SoA990 1 year ago
I lolled at this. But you are completely wrong. Nice try though haha.
CapitalistPhil 1 year ago
@lukestarspeeder - You said some stuff there, none of which explains how your NHS is supposedly 'free'.
KurNorock 1 year ago
Annoying*
theofficialstagerage 1 year ago
NHS isn't entirely free though. My parents pay tax and some of that money goes towards health care. How does the Health care sustem work in America?
6KiiDZ 1 year ago
@6KiiDZ it doesn't.
vinak963 1 year ago
@vinak963 i dnt get it.
6KiiDZ 1 year ago
@6KiiDZ well...when it costs you 50 dollars just for the doctor to say hello to you...there is a problem with your health care system. When it costs you 500 dollars to visit an emergency doctor to get a half dozen stitches...you have a problem with your health care system. get the idea? We pay for health insurance, and taxes. But we can still be bankrupted if we have any major medical problem.
vinak963 1 year ago
@vinak963 ooooh. thanx.
6KiiDZ 1 year ago
@6KiiDZ - don't let them lie to you. Insurance pays for the medical bills. This guy is just mad because he opted for the el'cheapo insurance plan to save a couple bucks and so he has a high deductible. the US healthcare system works. And if the government got out of our way and let us comparison shop the different insurance companies, it would work much better. Unfortunately our current government thinks it is a better idea to grab more power and FORCE us to adopt a system like the NHS.
KurNorock 1 year ago
@KurNorock First question, how many health care companies do we have? Second, what if they all raise prices together? Third, theoretically as a single consumer what power do you have over a large market consisting of multi-billion dollar companies that can technically (in your righteous world view have unlimited power, thank you laissez-faire economics) do whatever they want.
astupid16yearold 1 year ago
@astupid16yearold - There are no healthcare companies. There are hundreds of health insurance companies. They won't raise prices together because each is looking to grow in size and make more profit. They only way they can do that is by being competitive with the other insurance companies. This ensures lower prices. That is how free markets work. Teaming up to raise prices collectively only serves to open the door to a company who did not participate. And it is illegal anyway.
KurNorock 1 year ago
@KurNorock let me explain to you what i mean...lol. "They won't raise prices together because each is looking to grow in size and make more profit. " not exactly a huge deterant to not raise prices. Like you said there are limitations as to where you can buy insurance from, thereby cornering the market for certain companies who can raise and lower premiums at their discretion. My question as to your power pertains to the situation in which you are wronged, you can't do anything as a consumer.
astupid16yearold 1 year ago
@astupid16yearold - It is the only reason needed. If 5 companies offering the same service join together and say "Hey lets all raise our prices equally!" it only takes one to back out and not do it, to suddenly steal all the customers from the other 4. That alone keeps the companies in check. The only reliable way to make profit and grow your business is to offer good services at low enough prices to attract customers away from your competitors.
KurNorock 1 year ago
@KurNorock "it only takes one to back out and not do it, to suddenly steal all the customers from the other 4."
In the UK we have a competitive car insurance sector, and gas/electricity sector, yet most people do not opt for the cheapest company because of the hassle of changing at each renewal. I'm just as lazy myself- I only recently opted for a cheaper car insurance after 5 years, and I know I should look again for a cheaper energy company ... but it's too much bother to change.
mandolinic 1 year ago
@mandolinic - You don't have to tell me you are lazy. I already knew that from the fact that you are a supporter of nationalized health care. So you want to be lazy and let the government take care of your crap for you on somebody elses dime? Why not? Why not put programs like NHS in place to further encourage people to be just as lazy as you. What could possibly be wrong with that?
*sigh*
KurNorock 1 year ago
@KurNorock It's not somebody else's dime. It's my dime. I pay my taxes and I get healthcare included in the deal. I'm not sponging off other people and I'm not getting something for nothing.
mandolinic 1 year ago
@mandolinic It's not sponging it's just that we were so impressed by the US army providing 100% cover free at the point of delivery for all of its troops we decided to adopt it ourselves! Do you know, it works! So thank you very much! I know from personal experience, the NHS has saved the life of my son and daughters and never once did I have to worry if some dirt-bag insurance company is going to cut off cover or that I was going to have my credit rating trashed or go bankrupt.
sonofcy 1 year ago
@mandolinic word.
charliewhat 1 year ago
@astupid16yearold - And you said yourself, there are limitations on where we can buy our insurance. It is not to a point yet where the companies can raise or lower premiums at will, but it could eventually get there. So if that is the problem, WHY ON EARTH would we fix it by re-doing the entire system, rather than just getting rid of the useless regulations that are damaging the current system?
KurNorock 1 year ago
@astupid16yearold - I can do plenty as a consumer. For one, I can be responsible for my own decisions and use goods and services from reputable companies. As far as health insurance I can even chose to NOT have any insurance at all if I so desire (which I did for 12 years) I can chose a different insurance company, I can find a private company not through my employer. I can petition my employer to switch to a different company.
KurNorock 1 year ago
@astupid16yearold - The last thing a corporation wants is to lose customers. Without customers, the corporation has no profit, without profit they fail (unless Obama bails them out) so the customers have all the power over the corporations. It is up to the corporations to keep the customers satisfied, meaning better goods and services and fair prices.
The govt. doesn't have to do that. They can charge whatever they want and spend as much as they want until the country falls apart.
KurNorock 1 year ago
@KurNorock lol man i'm a little confused, why to a health insurance company would it be a bad thing to drop a customer that just got diagnosed with breast cancer, yet has paid their health insurance bill for 10 years. You say the company works for your best interest, but that is idealistic and in this world quite often wrong; they world for THEIR best interest. And in this world their best interest is to have you pay them, yet at the same time find way not to pay for you.
astupid16yearold 1 year ago
@astupid16yearold - It is a bad thing to drop patients when they get sick because once that happens the customers lose their trust in the company and drop them for another company.
You can make up all the "what if" senarios you like, but the facts are that insurance companies do not just drop patients if they think it will cost too much to help them. Of course there is a screening process to make sure a person really is sick, and every once in a while a sick person will be denied coverage.
KurNorock 1 year ago
This is very rare and is usually rectified. The system is not perfect, and ridiculous regulations make it less so. But for any business to grow and make profit, it needs the trust of the people it sells to. Why do you think people go back to the same car dealerships every time they buy a car? The same reason people usually sign up for the same insurance plans as their parents. TRUST. So yes, the best interest of a company is to look out for your best interest.
KurNorock 1 year ago
@KurNorock No it's not rare. you can find many sad stories of people who were dropped when their medical bills started coming in. My point is a corporation is run for itself not for everyone, and you may in your idealistic point say that people then would not trust the insurance corporation, but they don't care. Why do they care about you or a hundred other people they dropped. They have millions of customers, you're just a drop in the bucket. You'll come running when your wronged.
astupid16yearold 1 year ago
@KurNorock There is a story about how the Germans came and they took the gays, the handicapped, the colored, and the Jews, but the man didn't care. but then one day they came for him, and he called out for help and there was no one left, only him. it is our duty to stand up for each other, in this world people only want to look out for themselves but what happens when they are the one being wronged. Then they expect everyone to come to their aid. So next time you think selfishly, reconsider.
astupid16yearold 1 year ago
@astupid16yearold - Funny how you use the german national socialist workers party (NAZI) as a bad example while trying to convince me that socialist medical care is a good idea.
Do you know why the U.S. is the most powerful country in the world? Because until just recently its citizens were mostly self reliant. The very instant you become reliant on the government is the instant your life is no longer yours.
KurNorock 1 year ago
@KurNorock Funny how you use an example of true blue fascism as socialism. You should learn a bit of history. But your argument is the old argument of government vs corporation, which would you rely on? Well as it's been said, stop being afraid of the government, you ARE the government. You have a vote and a voice in our country and you are free to make choices and attempt to influence others. And to your point i would rather be less reliant on a machine that is run for itself not for all
astupid16yearold 1 year ago
@astupid16yearold - The only way the people can be the government is if the people do not rely on the government. When the government is small the people have power. When the people get lazy and reliant on the government (welfare checks, food stamps, health care, etc.) the government holds the power because the people reliant on those things will vote for the same politicians who keep supplying their food stamps.
KurNorock 1 year ago
@KurNorock rofl, i don't think you understand what fascism and socialism are. fascism is extremely corporatism or a few own most of the resources while socialism is the situation in which people (government) own the means of production or industry. They are completely different ideas. You should really start by learning some basic political ideas before you discuss the merit of privatization of health.
astupid16yearold 1 year ago
@astupid16yearold - lol, I like how you still think a socialist government is the people. Socialist governments don't give a crap about the people. A socialist government is just a few people running everything... like fascism. Just look at EVERY single socialist country out there. the government is a few wealthy people while the populace is poor.
Just because you know the definition of socialism and fascism does not mean you know what they really are.
KurNorock 1 year ago
@KurNorock I do actually and have visited several of these these countries before, you make the mistake of confusing socialism with communism, don't worry it is common among people like you. Socialism can be a democracy, but you should do a little research. And there are several instances where socialism has worked perfectly but it eventually is torn down by rich and others seeking power, communism tears down socialism in Spain, supported by the English left in the Spanish civil war.
astupid16yearold 1 year ago
@astupid16yearold - The only difference between communism and socialism is the illusion of a democracy. And democracies are a stupid idea as well. This country is (for the time being) a republic. And socialism has NEVER worked. It can't work.It takes away the incentive to succeed and totally abolishes competition, which breeds growth.
KurNorock 1 year ago
@astupid16yearold - Fascism is just socialism once it takes over a country.
And of course corporations are out for themselves. but they take us along for the ride. Like I said, if they start doing things like dropping sick people just to save a few bucks, they begin to lose clients. And don't give me that BS about people not caring. If that were true anybody could start and run a huge corporation. People make choices. That is why 7-11 is going out of business while QT is opening new stores.
KurNorock 1 year ago
@astupid16yearold - and by the way I wouldn't rely on either one. I am SELF RELIANT. self reliance is the true form of the American dream. It is the idea that you can live your own life and do as you please as long as you don't infringe on the rights of others. Your lot in life is determined by the amount of effort you are willing to put in. The very idea that the government should force me to give them my money so they can give it to other people is disgusting.
KurNorock 1 year ago
@astupid16yearold - I am not thinking selfishly you dolt. I am thinking in terms of what is best for everybody. Can you honestly tell me you would rather be beholden to the government than to be self reliant? Are you really so lazy? How is a NHS any better than welfare or food stamps? It is not even about health care, it is about the government getting as many people reliant on it as possible. Why? Votes. Power. Corruption.
KurNorock 1 year ago
@KurNorock A corporate machine is accountable to none while a government is accountable to their peoples. one is run for money and greed and one is run for people, your pick. and btw i have golden private insurance. My mother and father are both business owners. my mother is a doctor, and as someone who works from the inside you can see how little the insurance companies care for the people they insure.
astupid16yearold 1 year ago
@astupid16yearold - Well, what a nice coincidence for you to be 'on the inside'. Let me ask you something, since your parents are business owners, does that mean they are selfish, evil, greedy bastards? Because so far you have been telling me that every private business is run that way. Or is it that YOUR PARENTS are different? Has it ever occured to you that these corporations are run by PEOPLE? People just like your parents, just like you or me.
KurNorock 1 year ago
@astupid16yearold - I'd also like to point out that you are probably confusing the insurance companies attempts to stop insurance fraud with 'evil greedy corporate death mongering'
KurNorock 1 year ago
@astupid16yearold - The government has an advantage no private corporation will ever have. They don't have to make a profit. Hell they don't even have to stay within a budget. They spend your money like there is no tomorrow and there is no consequences for it. That is what breeds true corruption. And because you believe the lies they tell you, you let them get away with it.
A universal health system is nothing but a way for the government to tell you how to live your life.
KurNorock 1 year ago
@astupid16yearold - Once they have you under the universal plan they can tell you to stop eating fast food because it is a factor in heart disease, which costs money to treat. They can outlaw salt, or butter (yes it can and already HAS happened in other countries) they can impose huge taxes on recreational activities they arbitrarily decree as 'dangerous' all in the name of reducing costs for healthcare.
KurNorock 1 year ago
@astupid16yearold - A woman asked Obama during his campaign if the new universal healthcare system would pay for her 100 year old mother to get a pace-maker. As it turns out the womans mother already got the pace-maker from a doctor (after a first doctor refused due to her age) and was now 105 years old and enjoying life. Obama's response was that he would rather the old woman was put on pain pills rather than have an expensive surgery. In other words, zonk her out on drugs untill she dies.
KurNorock 1 year ago
@KurNorock You should give me a link to the script or the video of the woman asking obama, i would love to see this.
astupid16yearold 1 year ago
@astupid16yearold - watch?v=Z84hTRtSV1U here you go. be prepared to have your "the government loves everybody and Obama is god!" world crumble around you.
KurNorock 1 year ago
@KurNorock You lose all credibility when you use extremely edited videos to make points that don't exist. because you were to lazy to find the right video I had to do it for you. Here is the video where they don't chop it up and edit the pieces together to make Obama sound like a murderer, they just let the man talk. watch?v=xJYvaLS-xOw&feature=related
astupid16yearold 1 year ago
@astupid16yearold - You're right, that was much worse. He explicitly lied about several things including there not being a bureaucracy making end of life decisions (it is in the bill) and completely lied about health insurance companies not paying for treatments because a person is too old. And no matter what the context, he STILL says the woman's mother should have probably just taken pain killers instead of the pace-maker.
KurNorock 1 year ago
@KurNorock It's okay man i won't argue anymore, to tired of arguing lol, just remember that people aren't looking out for your best interests and that (i assume) as a middle class american we should look out for each other and make sure when politicians make laws that in the end they benefit us, and our fellow countrymen not just a small minority, We are all Americans.
astupid16yearold 1 year ago