The point is that Athiests don't simply claim that you believe in fairies, they claim that your wrong in believing in an all loving peaceful fairy, when your books about the fairy describe a psychopath that has gone on repeated killing sprees.
@neverfearchrisishere Or to put it another way, it's not that atheists see you as delusional, its that they see you as the type of delusional that's so crazy it wouldn't be surprising if you started chopping peoples heads off and tying people to posts and burning them if they said they didn't believe in Fairies...
he is simply saying that the christian god isn't moral, also morality is a concept and hence no-one can be "perfect" as "perfect" requires statistical values of maximum value, you cannot assign mathematics to morality because morality is a concept, hence no being can ever be "perfect"
@Highlyskeptical "The argument over whether or not God is moral is like an argument over whether or not Batman's cape gets stuck in doors."
Exactly! why would anyone give real attributes to fictional things? i mean, if its a movie, a play, a made up story or anything the like, you may enter the world of make believe if the person you are speaking to is in the same level you are.
So by the logic of this video, if I say 'Santa Claus is...' it proves I secretly believe in Santa Claus, even though i've been saying for years that he's not real?
And yeah, Hitler was a Christian. But the fact that you refuse to accept what is proven FACT, and have decided that it's up to you to interpret what faith he was based on his actions, proves just how ignorant you are of any actual recognition of truth beyond what you see yourself.
@gerinja You know the atheistic thoughts of Hitler?
How do atheistic thoughts lead to killing many innocent people?
Would you go around killing people if you didn't believe in God? What does that say about you?
Shouldn't the Swedes with the highest % of atheists in the world be having these same thoughts? Instead of being one of the very best places to live in the world in terms of health care, treating the poor, income distribution, life expectancy, etc, etc. ???
@Highlyskeptical i never generalized! keep that clear. I do however think that atheism leaves the door open to many dark things. 1st and foremost, on atheism there is no absolute morality. no God to answer to, no consequences to living a life selfishly, after death. and more other roots of evils. stalin is a great example on what atheism in power can do who killed countless of people.
@gerinja Let's take a random group of Christians to see if they have a similar history of violence to stalin,.. like,.. say, the Popes.. Yes they do. Centuries of purges and Crusades.
And they used their absolute morality to Justify the bloodshed..
So Christian Absolute morality doesn't appear to stop violence or close the door to dark things. Infact it has often been used to pry open that door.
@gerinja Not Unsurprising when you take your absolute morality from a God that thinks Drowning the population of a planet is suitable punishment for immorality. Or that asking someone to sacrifice their son is acceptable behaviour.
In order for a person to become invested in a work of fiction - pretty much any work of fiction - whether it be a book or a film, a drama or a horror or a fantasy or whatever, a person has to have an understanding of morality, right and wrong, within the context of the story. This does not mean that the person believes that the story is real. Are you going to admit that you didn't think this through? You exercised extremely poor logic.
If we follow your logic, we have to conclude that many Christians believe Middle Earth as described in Lord of the Rings exists. Many Christians would feel suspense when they read the books or watch the films. But why should they feel suspense when watching a film, if they aren't invested in the morality of the characters? Hoping the good guy escapes a bad situation, etc. Seeing as they ARE invested in the film emotionally, according to you, they believe that the film world is real.
@gerinja For example: The bible god is not someone i would want to worship because he kills innocent people for no reason and some of the commandments are absurd.
@ChinnuWoW if you look at your sentence there, you are affirming God does exist. you are not in anyway denying God's existence. you are just saying you will not worship God, because of bla...bla....
@gerinja no i am not affirming or denying the existance of god. Lets say that I said that bugs bunny is stupid. Does that mean that I believe that he exists in real life?? No.
@ChinnuWoW well yes, you are affirming bugs bunny IS.... so you do believe he is real. as myself i do believe bugs bunny IS a real cartoon character. i watch him on TV.
@gerinja wow you are just simply stupid. You are saying that we can't have an opinion on anything unless we believe that it exists... btw bugs bunny is not real in real life i meant.
@ChinnuWoW well, why would i say that the flying spaghetti monster is evil, (even if a book tells me he is)if i think he does not exist? It makes no sense!
@gerinja Are you retarded? When we give something/someone attributes that we do not believe in, we are talking about the IDEA or BELIEF of that thing/person. I give the god of the bible attributes to use it in arguments. Like "If the god of the bible is loving and exists, then why is this world suffering" meaning that there cannot be a god because this world would be a happy place everywhere and there wouldn't be any war, cancer, etc
@ChinnuWoW Nope! If you tell me you have a cat which has the ability to purr. I would not argue if it can purr or not if I think your cat is not real. would I then argue, "no your cat cannot purr, and oh btw your cat is not real." hahaha! do some critical thinking friend.
@gerinja .......what??....... There would be no reason to argue about a cat... I actualy have reasons to argue for god. idiot. Christians would think more about their religion if their god is not loving and perfect(if god exists).
@gerinja You obviously are either unintelligent, very young, have no debating experience, or all of them. Everybody thinks that. If you want to chicken out of this these debates simply because you're vulnerable to get callled an idiot, you will probablly never finish a debate with anybody.
omg... You're saying that I represent every atheist in the world and you think that atheism is evil? Ignorance much?
@ChinnuWoW "You obviously are either unintelligent, very young, have no debating experience, or all of them." hahaha as opposed to you i guess.
the thing is we can debate issues and treat each other with respect. have I resort to name calling?.. hahahah! NO. if you can't argue anymore and you resort to petty name calling, is because your arguments fall apart, friend.
we sometimes like to grant you the argument in order to disprove things like saying that the god of the bible is loving. its a common tool in debate.you must have a hard time with metaphors.
@twizelby idk... its if i say: "the flying spaghetti monster is not real, but I hate the flying spaghetti monster because he is evil." coherent or incoherent?
that sentence would be incoherent for most of us with simple logic, which i am afraid atheists don't use much as they say they do.
@gerinja if it shows an inconsistency in an attribute that fsm claims to have with actions in his book then yes it is coherent. so if fsm is supposed to be all loving but in his written word he condones slavery then its a coherent argument against him. your strawman is showing
@gerinja so then since you just aknowledged that I am right yoou should revise your video since you now know the reason atheists sometimes follow your reason in order to show you the inconsistencies in the bible.
@twizelby i acknowledge there is contradiction of atheists to be arguing the attributes of God. when they do say "He does not exist"
you will grant me God does exist to prove his attributes as described in the bible are wrong? then; you have lost big time, plus you need to revise God's attributes well my friend. Go'd is perfectly moral!
people don't go have a debate of fsm existence because its useless. see? that is why atheism is a total fraud.
@gerinja so god condoning slavery is consistent with his moral and loving nature? how about stoning people, is that consistent with a moral and loving god? these are the arguments we like to make when we decide to grant you, un-diservadly, the existence of your god.
@twizelby first of all God did not command for people to have slaves. this came to be as an alternate way for people to escape complete poverty. God tolerated it.
second; you must understand that under the old covenant, the laws were very hard. God also allowed stoning in the old times. Now we can clearly see and hopefully learn from the old times that every sin has its consequences. Thanks be to Jesus that stoning was abolished when He died on the cross, and are now in the new covenant.
@twizelby When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB
@gerinja However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
@gerinja but the laws were either issued or at least approved by god. the laws of deuteronomy and leviticus are both part of gods "moral loving nature" (things like genocide and infanticide) would you consider these loving acts? I sure wouldn't. either you believe in yaweh as the god he is represented as by the book that is the "word of god" with all its cruelty or you dont accept the bible. simple as that.
@twizelby yes approved by God. surely those were hard times, still, they kept the people in line and one had better think twice before breaking one of the laws. if someone breaks the law today, and gets caught, he will have to face the penalty for breaking it. you wouldn't say the law is unfair, would you?
may i ask what is your standard of morality in which you measure what is moral or immoral?
@gerinja do I believe in the law?some of it, I would never agree with a prisoner being stoned to death, and I would never force a women to marry the man who raped her. you think that at some time in the past it was alright to have people eaten by lions? or to have babies smashed against a rock?a slave owners master is allowed to beat his slave until he or she cant get up? did the slave get to out of line? I sure as hell wouldnt take moral advice from any book or person that condones these things
@twizelby ok so the times have changed and we as humans learn from past experiences. Now, there is no such laws because of Jesus.
still, you avoided my question, so here it goes again... knowing that in the old testament; people were allowed to have slaves, stoned for transgression of the law; do you judge these were "immoral" acts because you think so (your opinion) or because there is a standard you use outside from your opinion.
@gerinja times have changed?thats your excuse for horrible acts? wow this argument would definitely stand up in court. can you imagine "my client has changed I swear" humans have altruism built into us because it propagates the species. the reason we got over stoning and things is because secular rational thinkers said "hey wait, maybe torture isnt a good way to found out if she is a witch."Its strange you are only good because u believe in a god.I do good because it makes me and loved 1s happy.
@gerinja I just told where I get my morals. altruism is built into us in order to propagate the species; furthermore we the golden rule is in every religion. its not that the golden rule is religious its that we are predisposed to follow it. so if I wouldn't like it done to me i try not to do it to others.
@twizelby so your morals come from within you. at the end of the day it is only your opinion, and seeing how opinions vary from person to person. you can never find absolute objective morality. it is all subjective. then what seems horrible to you might seem just to another and none overweight the other. an atheistic way of thinking and one of the most dangerous to embrace.
@gerinja are morals not within you? do you really need a god to be good? if I somehow convinced you that there was no god would you go out and start killing the next day?why do you think atheists have lower crime rates? if you show a kid a horrible car accident and his mother which will he walk towards? his mom not violence because thats natural. also I think its really ironic that u blieve in objective morals when the bible goes from slavery laws to more secular rule of law..real consistent huh
@fullygodfullyhuman Nonsense!!! why would anyone say "Santa is a mall pervert and a cookie theif" if he does not exist, and expect to be taken seriously?
@gerinja You just feel free to replace that with any fictional character you please... and go from there. King Koopa is a evil princess kidnapper... pick one... any... doesn't matter.... I can give my opinion on their personality traits as a fictional character... meanwhile I don't believe that they exist outside of the video game/ book/ movie they are in.
@fullygodfullyhuman King Koopa IS a real cartoon/gaming character. King Koopa in a sense exists in a game. Nobody would treat king koopa as real character and give him real attributes. that is the difference
@gerinja LOL.. yes! thats what I am saying... Koopa only exists in the game... Like the christian God only existing in the bible. Do you really think atheists believe a god exists but they are all just pretending they don't?.. Is it all a big secret atheist conspiracy?
So when an atheist says that the christian god and the muslim god are both evil... do they believe they BOTH really exist?
@fullygodfullyhuman dude you don't get it! when 2 people talk about king koopa they are both consenting they have stepped into a world of make believe. in this case a game.
when 2 people are talking about God. And 1 is taking God as real. they are both not in a world of make believe. if an atheist enters the real world in which the person who is talking about God. then that atheist has to stay true that fictional character don't have attributes unless he thought the the character is real.
@fullygodfullyhuman well, why would atheist say Alla is evil, when they do not think Alla is real? I wouldn't say Alla is evil, cause I don't give real attributes to fictional characters. otherwise i am granting the character is Not fictional.
Its as if I said: "the teapot orbiting around the sun is made of iron." why would i even say its made of iron (even when a book says it) if i think the tea pot is not real?
I would either be talking nonsense. or I would be granting the tea pot is real
@gerinja The first thing you said there is where you should have stopped. They would make that comment about allah just as they would about your christian god. THEY DON'T THINK EITHER OF THEM ARE REAL. You making an assertion and making reality fit around how you have already decided it to be.
An argument wouldn't get very far if the atheist didn't play along for the sake of pointing out some flaws!
This whole thing is silly. It all comes down to you trying to tell people what they believe
@fullygodfullyhuman I don't tell people what they believe. i just see the inconsistencies of the arguments from some atheists. clearly not every atheist is alike, but most of the ones i have talked to make this mistake!
@gerinja It's not a mistake, to point out actions of a fictional character being moral or immoral. I think Atticus Finch is a very moral character, I do not think Atticus Finch is real. I think Cthulhu is a very immoral character, I do not think Cthulhu is real. I can talk about these things with ease because I know what's real and what isn't.
Using your crappy wannaba japanese animation crap you have constructed a dishonest strawman. You don't honestly think people are so stupid so often as to trip over their feet from the get go. Describing God's characteristics and how we percieve them is not an admission that he exists. If I gave you a book to read and after you finished I asked you how you felt about the moral decisions of a character you might say. Well I think steve is a...You didn't admit steve exists. Its just how we talk.
It is called speaking to people on their own terms. And it does not pertain to atheists only; it pertains to anyone whom does not believe in the god of the bible
Sauron from Lord of the Rings is evil, he kills tortures and maims. If you genuinly believed in Sauron then I would tell you this even though I don't think he exists :)
@JimothyMcgee the flying spaghetti monster is not real, yet atheists don't bother writing a book on it and call it:
"the flying spaghetti monster delusion" or "the flying spaghetti monster is not great". let me tell you that if I don't believe in something i won't bother with it. but atheists do seem to be obsessed with God. there is a difference when you talk about a movie. you right away know its not reality. when you talk about what people believe it is reality.
@gerinja nobody believes in the flying spaghetti monster thats why there are no books about how its a delusion. I think the reason atheists concern themselves with something they don't think exists is because of the damage it can do, nobody flys a plane into a building because of Sauron but if they did I would be willing to bet people would be asserting his non-existance
@JimothyMcgee idk if you should be talking about dangerous belief systems. cause, certainly atheism (which is also a belief system) has its big share of atrocities in history! and is probably more dangerous than all religions in the world combined. sure religion have dangerous beliefs, i don't deny that, but throwing all religions in one basket and claiming all are wrong and dangerous is a fallacy, friend.
@gerinja Yes "throwing all religions in one basket and claiming all are wrong and dangerous is a fallacy", agreed. Which is why I didn't say that - I was showing how dangerous a wrong belief can be, surely you would be all for convincing terrorists that their beliefs are incorrect. Also did any of these atrocities happen in the name of atheism or did they occur in pursuit of goals. Hitler was catholic, Stalin was atheist but neither killed because of their belief / lack of belief in god
@JimothyMcgee "agreed. Which is why I didn't say that"
then what did you imply when you said flying plane into buildings?
Hitler was not catholic. Hitler could have said he was catholic, to get the votes of the people. He was a deceiver. If I say i am a police man and have a police man suit on; does that make me a police man? -nope- in reality Hitler along with Stalin had atheistic worldviews. that's where the danger thoughts are and do not need to be said it was in the name of atheism.
@gerinja Even if religion is not all harmful it does do harm, which is why if it was incorrect it would be a good idea to argue against it see. Well Hitler's actions later do show him disliking atheism and supporting Christianinty, but even if that wasn't true, and I am certainly not a historian, can you show the link between not believing in God and mass murder? Hitler was trying to crate a facist distopia, he wasn't thinking "hmm God doesn't exist lets kill as much as possible"
@gerinja Seriously, go do some research before you say these things. Hitler was not only a catholic he was a devout. A large chunk of his ideology behind the master race was based around his catholic beliefs and he plastered the phrases "in god" and "under god" everywhere in German society, including military uniforms. The "arians" were God's chosen people according to him. I mean if hitler was a deciever then why don't we just call Jesus one while we're at it.
@gerinja You're buying into a lot of myths. Hitler frequently referred to God and Christianity in his various speeches and writings. In one 1933 speech, he said that "To do justice to God and our own conscience, we have turned once more to the German Volk." In another he said: "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."
@gerinja In a 1922 speech, he said: "My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in
"His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.
@gerinja ...And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery.
"When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited."
if I tell everyone I am a police man just because I say so, and wear a police uniform. only fools would be deceived by my words of me being a police man If instead of acting like a police man I act like a law breaker.
truth is that Hitler had atheistic thoughts which are dangerous. same as Stalin and other tyrants in history.
my advise to everyone: keep away from the destructive worldview of atheism.
@gerinja That's very shoddy reasoning. The fact that he did bad things doesn't mean he's an atheist. You could apply that reasoning to so many people. Take the recent Norway shooter, who wrote pages upon pages of these extreme Christian views. You would say, he wasn't a true Christian, because he murdered. But that doesn't make him an atheist either. Hitler never expressed atheist views, either publicly and historically as far as we know never privately.
Hitler though our brother Jews were to with no human value. By killing the Jews, Hitler was helping the strong survive. So, Hitler did not value human existence. this only comes in an atheistic view! because in an atheistic view, we are not special creatures, just one more species in the animal kingdom, and only the stronger species survive. so you see, Hitler's worldview fits perfectly with the atheistic worldview.
@gerinja You're just pulling any justification you can out of thin air to stick with your claim that Hitler was an atheist, when the fact is that you have nothing concrete at all. You could claim that the Crusades was an atheist movement, or the Spanish Inquisition was an atheist movement, with the massive leaps in logic that you use. Do you claim that the Norway shooter was an atheist?
@kainedamo I was only talking about Hitler. while Hitler may have never been seen as an atheist. His atheistic believes were surely there. I don't make excuses for all religions. there are some religions that are very dark indeed. I have not heard of the Norway shooter. sorry can't comment.
@gerinja Hitler stated in Mein Kampf that he killed the Jews because he believed he was doing the will of God. In WWI a British soldier spared his life, and he has retold this story many times citing it as proof that God had higher plans for him. He was a Catholic, and this video is laughably illogical.
@Sloth7d "Hitler stated in Mein Kampf bla bla bla...." the problem is that you can't see beyond that. too naive. If i told you i am a police officer and i have been sent by higher authority to take you to jail. you'd believe me because i said it, it must be true. you are only a child in your way of thinking.
@gerinja "Hitler stated in Mein Kampf bla bla bla...."
Yes. Clearly I'm the childish one here. Not the one who types stuff like this while ignoring exactly what Hitler said about himself because they can't handle the truth.
@gerinja I have superior logic to yours clearly. We're not talking about some physical feat which could be exaggerated and contradicted by his actual limitations as a person. We're talking about his beliefs. Should I deny that you believe in God on the grounds that you word just isn't good enough? Unless you can provide evidential reason to believe he wasn't a Catholic then you have no case; keeping in kind that the Crusades prove that genocide is something Hitler and the Church have in common.
well, you can deny that i am a Christian (even if i say I am) if you see me I do things unchristian like. there is a famous saying: "don't judge a book by its cover" but that is exactly what moronic people do when when they talk about Hitler being anything Christian only because he said he was, and he said he believed in God. Total fail buddy. sorry for the pwn. but its the truth.
@gerinja I don't know why, but since I have the free time, I guess I should educate you. The problem is [with Christianity] every Christian has their own interpretation of scripture. This is why there are a ridiculous number of sects. Thus when you say, "do something unchristian" it becomes a meaningless statement in the grand scheme of things. Really in general; as A. J. Jacobs has proven that it is impossible to follow every letter of the law in his book The Year of Living Biblically.
(cont.) That bit aside. Exactly what did Hitler do that was so unchristian like? His genocidal actions are synonymous with the genocidal views of the "great protestant reformer" Martin Luther from his book On the Jews and Their Lies. His genocide of the Jews and Hebrews is worse than but not at all different to the Catholic Church's genocide of Arabs and Muslims during the Crusades. I mean unless you're going to call them decievers with atheist thoughts too. Which would be even more hilarious.
@Sloth7d to be able to recognize what is Christian and what is not. you must first understand that a Christian means "follower of Christ (Jesus)" when then you study Jesus' teachings and what he commanded for us his followers to do, then you will know what is unchristian like. like i have said before: i don't make excuses for all religions and agree many are quite dangerous, but atheism is the worst religion of them all.
@gerinja You're not making any sense in how anything you've said has anything to do with atheism. Anyway, this is getting boring. Not that this hasn't been a good laugh, but I'm through playing with you.
@Sloth7d sure thing! I guess I am not making sense to you cause you lack the intellect to comprehend and talk about deep philosophic issues. still,,, there is time for you to grow and mature. so that is the bright side. take care friend :)
@gerinja An aheist, isn't someone who says "I am a Christian", and then murders people. As far as we know, Hitler believed in God. An atheist is someone who does not believe in God. You can't claim a person is an atheist, if that person murders.
@gerinja Atheism is by definition a lack of belief in a god or gods. It cannot be by definiton a belief system in of itself. So don't say that atheism is a dangerous belief system. That's like saying a tomato is a dangerous house. It has no coherance or sense to it.
@gerinja No, that doesn't make sense. I once took part in a debate in school about UFOs, plenty of people think UFOs are real, it doesn't mean they are real.
You're applying a strange way of thinking. You seem to be saying that, since people believe in God, then anyone who engages in conversation in God, must on some level think he's real. That logic would have to apply to UFOs, ghosts, Big Foot, etc.
Too funny. Zeus was a prick. Loki was an instigator. Ra was downright evil. The Bible god was immoral. Any questions?
matthewtaylorbrown 1 month ago
The point is that Athiests don't simply claim that you believe in fairies, they claim that your wrong in believing in an all loving peaceful fairy, when your books about the fairy describe a psychopath that has gone on repeated killing sprees.
neverfearchrisishere 1 month ago
@neverfearchrisishere Or to put it another way, it's not that atheists see you as delusional, its that they see you as the type of delusional that's so crazy it wouldn't be surprising if you started chopping peoples heads off and tying people to posts and burning them if they said they didn't believe in Fairies...
neverfearchrisishere 1 month ago
he is simply saying that the christian god isn't moral, also morality is a concept and hence no-one can be "perfect" as "perfect" requires statistical values of maximum value, you cannot assign mathematics to morality because morality is a concept, hence no being can ever be "perfect"
doombybbr 3 months ago
Challenge accepted.
The argument over whether or not God is moral is like an argument over whether or not Batman's cape gets stuck in doors.
You drop the issue of whether or not something is real, and you explain the problems of the thing you are talking about as if it were real.
The bottom line...
If God is real, he's unworthy of worship.
Highlyskeptical 3 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@Highlyskeptical "The argument over whether or not God is moral is like an argument over whether or not Batman's cape gets stuck in doors."
Exactly! why would anyone give real attributes to fictional things? i mean, if its a movie, a play, a made up story or anything the like, you may enter the world of make believe if the person you are speaking to is in the same level you are.
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja Your video is retarded, saying god is doesn't mean you believe in him.
YoungMoney835 4 weeks ago
So by the logic of this video, if I say 'Santa Claus is...' it proves I secretly believe in Santa Claus, even though i've been saying for years that he's not real?
And yeah, Hitler was a Christian. But the fact that you refuse to accept what is proven FACT, and have decided that it's up to you to interpret what faith he was based on his actions, proves just how ignorant you are of any actual recognition of truth beyond what you see yourself.
hopefulsuicide 3 months ago
@hopefulsuicide why would you say Santa IS when he ISN'T? don't you see contradiction there?
Hitler was no Christian. Hitler was a deceiver! a tyrant and had atheistic thoughts which led to the killing of many innocent people.
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja You know the atheistic thoughts of Hitler?
How do atheistic thoughts lead to killing many innocent people?
Would you go around killing people if you didn't believe in God? What does that say about you?
Shouldn't the Swedes with the highest % of atheists in the world be having these same thoughts? Instead of being one of the very best places to live in the world in terms of health care, treating the poor, income distribution, life expectancy, etc, etc. ???
Highlyskeptical 3 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@Highlyskeptical i never generalized! keep that clear. I do however think that atheism leaves the door open to many dark things. 1st and foremost, on atheism there is no absolute morality. no God to answer to, no consequences to living a life selfishly, after death. and more other roots of evils. stalin is a great example on what atheism in power can do who killed countless of people.
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja Let's take a random group of Christians to see if they have a similar history of violence to stalin,.. like,.. say, the Popes.. Yes they do. Centuries of purges and Crusades.
And they used their absolute morality to Justify the bloodshed..
So Christian Absolute morality doesn't appear to stop violence or close the door to dark things. Infact it has often been used to pry open that door.
neverfearchrisishere 1 month ago
@gerinja Not Unsurprising when you take your absolute morality from a God that thinks Drowning the population of a planet is suitable punishment for immorality. Or that asking someone to sacrifice their son is acceptable behaviour.
neverfearchrisishere 1 month ago
In order for a person to become invested in a work of fiction - pretty much any work of fiction - whether it be a book or a film, a drama or a horror or a fantasy or whatever, a person has to have an understanding of morality, right and wrong, within the context of the story. This does not mean that the person believes that the story is real. Are you going to admit that you didn't think this through? You exercised extremely poor logic.
kainedamo 3 months ago
If we follow your logic, we have to conclude that many Christians believe Middle Earth as described in Lord of the Rings exists. Many Christians would feel suspense when they read the books or watch the films. But why should they feel suspense when watching a film, if they aren't invested in the morality of the characters? Hoping the good guy escapes a bad situation, etc. Seeing as they ARE invested in the film emotionally, according to you, they believe that the film world is real.
kainedamo 3 months ago
@kainedamo apples and oranges friend! if you look at my earlier replies the LOTR analogy fails. Logic falls on the theist side.
gerinja 3 months ago
I don't think Lex Luthor is moral.
Therefore I believe Lex Luthor is real.
kainedamo 3 months ago
@kainedamo "I don't think Lex Luthor is moral. Therefore I believe Lex Luthor is real."
Yes, you are being consistent here if you and I were to think that Lex Luthor is real.
gerinja 3 months ago
So, wait, instead of converting people to Christianity by love, you are tricking them into converting? Dishonest means leading to wholesome ends?
AndrewJBushard 3 months ago
@AndrewJBushard you missed the point of the video.
gerinja 3 months ago
wow..... worst debater ever. when we say "god is...." we are pretending that god exists but we don't actualy believe in him.........
ChinnuWoW 3 months ago
@ChinnuWoW oh! you are pretending?? ok.... keep pretending... :)
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja For example: The bible god is not someone i would want to worship because he kills innocent people for no reason and some of the commandments are absurd.
This does not mean I believe in god.
ChinnuWoW 3 months ago
@ChinnuWoW if you look at your sentence there, you are affirming God does exist. you are not in anyway denying God's existence. you are just saying you will not worship God, because of bla...bla....
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja no i am not affirming or denying the existance of god. Lets say that I said that bugs bunny is stupid. Does that mean that I believe that he exists in real life?? No.
ChinnuWoW 3 months ago
@ChinnuWoW well yes, you are affirming bugs bunny IS.... so you do believe he is real. as myself i do believe bugs bunny IS a real cartoon character. i watch him on TV.
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja wow you are just simply stupid. You are saying that we can't have an opinion on anything unless we believe that it exists... btw bugs bunny is not real in real life i meant.
ChinnuWoW 3 months ago
@ChinnuWoW well, why would i say that the flying spaghetti monster is evil, (even if a book tells me he is)if i think he does not exist? It makes no sense!
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja well the story about it makes the character evil. but does not mean i believe in it or not
ChinnuWoW 3 months ago
@gerinja like "if the flying spaghetti monster exists, then he is... " we just dont say it all the time
ChinnuWoW 3 months ago
@ChinnuWoW Nonsense! if i think that flying spaghetti monster does Not exist; then i would not bother giving it attributes!
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja Are you retarded? When we give something/someone attributes that we do not believe in, we are talking about the IDEA or BELIEF of that thing/person. I give the god of the bible attributes to use it in arguments. Like "If the god of the bible is loving and exists, then why is this world suffering" meaning that there cannot be a god because this world would be a happy place everywhere and there wouldn't be any war, cancer, etc
ChinnuWoW 3 months ago
@ChinnuWoW Nope! If you tell me you have a cat which has the ability to purr. I would not argue if it can purr or not if I think your cat is not real. would I then argue, "no your cat cannot purr, and oh btw your cat is not real." hahaha! do some critical thinking friend.
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja .......what??....... There would be no reason to argue about a cat... I actualy have reasons to argue for god. idiot. Christians would think more about their religion if their god is not loving and perfect(if god exists).
ChinnuWoW 3 months ago
@ChinnuWoW one more remark like you calling me an idiot or anything, and i am done with this conversation!
when you step in and try to talk about love and perfection in other words morality. atheism has no leg to stand on. friend
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja You obviously are either unintelligent, very young, have no debating experience, or all of them. Everybody thinks that. If you want to chicken out of this these debates simply because you're vulnerable to get callled an idiot, you will probablly never finish a debate with anybody.
omg... You're saying that I represent every atheist in the world and you think that atheism is evil? Ignorance much?
ChinnuWoW 3 months ago
@ChinnuWoW "You obviously are either unintelligent, very young, have no debating experience, or all of them." hahaha as opposed to you i guess.
the thing is we can debate issues and treat each other with respect. have I resort to name calling?.. hahahah! NO. if you can't argue anymore and you resort to petty name calling, is because your arguments fall apart, friend.
gerinja 3 months ago
we sometimes like to grant you the argument in order to disprove things like saying that the god of the bible is loving. its a common tool in debate.you must have a hard time with metaphors.
twizelby 3 months ago
@twizelby idk... its if i say: "the flying spaghetti monster is not real, but I hate the flying spaghetti monster because he is evil." coherent or incoherent?
that sentence would be incoherent for most of us with simple logic, which i am afraid atheists don't use much as they say they do.
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja if it shows an inconsistency in an attribute that fsm claims to have with actions in his book then yes it is coherent. so if fsm is supposed to be all loving but in his written word he condones slavery then its a coherent argument against him. your strawman is showing
twizelby 3 months ago
@twizelby claims in a book about the attributes(even when they can be thought of false) of the fsm would not matter to since the fsm is not real.
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja so then since you just aknowledged that I am right yoou should revise your video since you now know the reason atheists sometimes follow your reason in order to show you the inconsistencies in the bible.
twizelby 3 months ago
@twizelby i acknowledge there is contradiction of atheists to be arguing the attributes of God. when they do say "He does not exist"
you will grant me God does exist to prove his attributes as described in the bible are wrong? then; you have lost big time, plus you need to revise God's attributes well my friend. Go'd is perfectly moral!
people don't go have a debate of fsm existence because its useless. see? that is why atheism is a total fraud.
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja so god condoning slavery is consistent with his moral and loving nature? how about stoning people, is that consistent with a moral and loving god? these are the arguments we like to make when we decide to grant you, un-diservadly, the existence of your god.
twizelby 3 months ago
@twizelby first of all God did not command for people to have slaves. this came to be as an alternate way for people to escape complete poverty. God tolerated it.
second; you must understand that under the old covenant, the laws were very hard. God also allowed stoning in the old times. Now we can clearly see and hopefully learn from the old times that every sin has its consequences. Thanks be to Jesus that stoning was abolished when He died on the cross, and are now in the new covenant.
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja so then you think in some contexts god approves both stoning and slavery?
twizelby 3 months ago
@twizelby When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB
twizelby 3 months ago
@gerinja However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
twizelby 3 months ago
@twizelby the laws were not commands! all you cited are laws like i said in my earlier reply!
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja law is a synonym for command
twizelby 3 months ago
@twizelby God gave Moses 10 commandments, the laws were different from the commandments!
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja but the laws were either issued or at least approved by god. the laws of deuteronomy and leviticus are both part of gods "moral loving nature" (things like genocide and infanticide) would you consider these loving acts? I sure wouldn't. either you believe in yaweh as the god he is represented as by the book that is the "word of god" with all its cruelty or you dont accept the bible. simple as that.
twizelby 3 months ago
@twizelby yes approved by God. surely those were hard times, still, they kept the people in line and one had better think twice before breaking one of the laws. if someone breaks the law today, and gets caught, he will have to face the penalty for breaking it. you wouldn't say the law is unfair, would you?
may i ask what is your standard of morality in which you measure what is moral or immoral?
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja do I believe in the law?some of it, I would never agree with a prisoner being stoned to death, and I would never force a women to marry the man who raped her. you think that at some time in the past it was alright to have people eaten by lions? or to have babies smashed against a rock?a slave owners master is allowed to beat his slave until he or she cant get up? did the slave get to out of line? I sure as hell wouldnt take moral advice from any book or person that condones these things
twizelby 3 months ago
@twizelby ok so the times have changed and we as humans learn from past experiences. Now, there is no such laws because of Jesus.
still, you avoided my question, so here it goes again... knowing that in the old testament; people were allowed to have slaves, stoned for transgression of the law; do you judge these were "immoral" acts because you think so (your opinion) or because there is a standard you use outside from your opinion.
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja times have changed?thats your excuse for horrible acts? wow this argument would definitely stand up in court. can you imagine "my client has changed I swear" humans have altruism built into us because it propagates the species. the reason we got over stoning and things is because secular rational thinkers said "hey wait, maybe torture isnt a good way to found out if she is a witch."Its strange you are only good because u believe in a god.I do good because it makes me and loved 1s happy.
twizelby 3 months ago
@twizelby "times have changed?thats your excuse for horrible acts?"
horrible acording to who or what?
for the third and last time; where do you get your morals from? what standard do you use to say something is horrible?
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja I just told where I get my morals. altruism is built into us in order to propagate the species; furthermore we the golden rule is in every religion. its not that the golden rule is religious its that we are predisposed to follow it. so if I wouldn't like it done to me i try not to do it to others.
twizelby 3 months ago
@twizelby so your morals come from within you. at the end of the day it is only your opinion, and seeing how opinions vary from person to person. you can never find absolute objective morality. it is all subjective. then what seems horrible to you might seem just to another and none overweight the other. an atheistic way of thinking and one of the most dangerous to embrace.
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja are morals not within you? do you really need a god to be good? if I somehow convinced you that there was no god would you go out and start killing the next day?why do you think atheists have lower crime rates? if you show a kid a horrible car accident and his mother which will he walk towards? his mom not violence because thats natural. also I think its really ironic that u blieve in objective morals when the bible goes from slavery laws to more secular rule of law..real consistent huh
twizelby 3 months ago
@gerinja Morality can be subjective yes, but someone with a weak morality will have trouble living and surviving in the world.
Just as someone with a weak understanding of mathematics would have trouble living and surviving.
If you're a dishonest person, chances are that this will catch up with you and people will realise it, which will make life harder to live.
kainedamo 3 months ago
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's ok that he is a horrible god.... at least he exists!
I don't know if this is a joke or not but either way I love it,, lol
fullygodfullyhuman 3 months ago
@fullygodfullyhuman that is a whole different topic. what the atheist say about God is not true, but he is right on asserting God does exist.
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja Thats a horrible "gotcha" attempt.
person 1- Santa isn't real... hahaha
person 2- Yes he is!, he brings me presents every year and eats my cookies!
person 1- You are 30 years old you should know by now the gifts are from your parents. Santa is a mall pervert and a cookie theif... hahaha
person 2- SEE!!! You said "Santa is" so you just admitted he exists!
LOL
fullygodfullyhuman 3 months ago
@fullygodfullyhuman Nonsense!!! why would anyone say "Santa is a mall pervert and a cookie theif" if he does not exist, and expect to be taken seriously?
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja You just feel free to replace that with any fictional character you please... and go from there. King Koopa is a evil princess kidnapper... pick one... any... doesn't matter.... I can give my opinion on their personality traits as a fictional character... meanwhile I don't believe that they exist outside of the video game/ book/ movie they are in.
fullygodfullyhuman 3 months ago
@fullygodfullyhuman King Koopa IS a real cartoon/gaming character. King Koopa in a sense exists in a game. Nobody would treat king koopa as real character and give him real attributes. that is the difference
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja LOL.. yes! thats what I am saying... Koopa only exists in the game... Like the christian God only existing in the bible. Do you really think atheists believe a god exists but they are all just pretending they don't?.. Is it all a big secret atheist conspiracy?
So when an atheist says that the christian god and the muslim god are both evil... do they believe they BOTH really exist?
fullygodfullyhuman 3 months ago
@fullygodfullyhuman dude you don't get it! when 2 people talk about king koopa they are both consenting they have stepped into a world of make believe. in this case a game.
when 2 people are talking about God. And 1 is taking God as real. they are both not in a world of make believe. if an atheist enters the real world in which the person who is talking about God. then that atheist has to stay true that fictional character don't have attributes unless he thought the the character is real.
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja So are you ignoring my comment about Allah?... Do atheist ALSO believe in Allah?
fullygodfullyhuman 3 months ago
@fullygodfullyhuman well, why would atheist say Alla is evil, when they do not think Alla is real? I wouldn't say Alla is evil, cause I don't give real attributes to fictional characters. otherwise i am granting the character is Not fictional.
Its as if I said: "the teapot orbiting around the sun is made of iron." why would i even say its made of iron (even when a book says it) if i think the tea pot is not real?
I would either be talking nonsense. or I would be granting the tea pot is real
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja The first thing you said there is where you should have stopped. They would make that comment about allah just as they would about your christian god. THEY DON'T THINK EITHER OF THEM ARE REAL. You making an assertion and making reality fit around how you have already decided it to be.
An argument wouldn't get very far if the atheist didn't play along for the sake of pointing out some flaws!
This whole thing is silly. It all comes down to you trying to tell people what they believe
fullygodfullyhuman 3 months ago
@fullygodfullyhuman I don't tell people what they believe. i just see the inconsistencies of the arguments from some atheists. clearly not every atheist is alike, but most of the ones i have talked to make this mistake!
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja It's not a mistake, to point out actions of a fictional character being moral or immoral. I think Atticus Finch is a very moral character, I do not think Atticus Finch is real. I think Cthulhu is a very immoral character, I do not think Cthulhu is real. I can talk about these things with ease because I know what's real and what isn't.
kainedamo 3 months ago
Using your crappy wannaba japanese animation crap you have constructed a dishonest strawman. You don't honestly think people are so stupid so often as to trip over their feet from the get go. Describing God's characteristics and how we percieve them is not an admission that he exists. If I gave you a book to read and after you finished I asked you how you felt about the moral decisions of a character you might say. Well I think steve is a...You didn't admit steve exists. Its just how we talk.
TheAnimeAtheist 3 months ago
Nice hahahaha
freekazoid05 3 months ago
@freekazoid05 thanks bro :)
gerinja 3 months ago
It is called speaking to people on their own terms. And it does not pertain to atheists only; it pertains to anyone whom does not believe in the god of the bible
XheraPhine 3 months ago
Sauron from Lord of the Rings is evil, he kills tortures and maims. If you genuinly believed in Sauron then I would tell you this even though I don't think he exists :)
JimothyMcgee 3 months ago in playlist More videos from gerinja
@JimothyMcgee the flying spaghetti monster is not real, yet atheists don't bother writing a book on it and call it:
"the flying spaghetti monster delusion" or "the flying spaghetti monster is not great". let me tell you that if I don't believe in something i won't bother with it. but atheists do seem to be obsessed with God. there is a difference when you talk about a movie. you right away know its not reality. when you talk about what people believe it is reality.
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja nobody believes in the flying spaghetti monster thats why there are no books about how its a delusion. I think the reason atheists concern themselves with something they don't think exists is because of the damage it can do, nobody flys a plane into a building because of Sauron but if they did I would be willing to bet people would be asserting his non-existance
JimothyMcgee 3 months ago
@JimothyMcgee idk if you should be talking about dangerous belief systems. cause, certainly atheism (which is also a belief system) has its big share of atrocities in history! and is probably more dangerous than all religions in the world combined. sure religion have dangerous beliefs, i don't deny that, but throwing all religions in one basket and claiming all are wrong and dangerous is a fallacy, friend.
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja Yes "throwing all religions in one basket and claiming all are wrong and dangerous is a fallacy", agreed. Which is why I didn't say that - I was showing how dangerous a wrong belief can be, surely you would be all for convincing terrorists that their beliefs are incorrect. Also did any of these atrocities happen in the name of atheism or did they occur in pursuit of goals. Hitler was catholic, Stalin was atheist but neither killed because of their belief / lack of belief in god
JimothyMcgee 3 months ago
@JimothyMcgee "agreed. Which is why I didn't say that"
then what did you imply when you said flying plane into buildings?
Hitler was not catholic. Hitler could have said he was catholic, to get the votes of the people. He was a deceiver. If I say i am a police man and have a police man suit on; does that make me a police man? -nope- in reality Hitler along with Stalin had atheistic worldviews. that's where the danger thoughts are and do not need to be said it was in the name of atheism.
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja Even if religion is not all harmful it does do harm, which is why if it was incorrect it would be a good idea to argue against it see. Well Hitler's actions later do show him disliking atheism and supporting Christianinty, but even if that wasn't true, and I am certainly not a historian, can you show the link between not believing in God and mass murder? Hitler was trying to crate a facist distopia, he wasn't thinking "hmm God doesn't exist lets kill as much as possible"
JimothyMcgee 3 months ago
@gerinja Seriously, go do some research before you say these things. Hitler was not only a catholic he was a devout. A large chunk of his ideology behind the master race was based around his catholic beliefs and he plastered the phrases "in god" and "under god" everywhere in German society, including military uniforms. The "arians" were God's chosen people according to him. I mean if hitler was a deciever then why don't we just call Jesus one while we're at it.
TheAnimeAtheist 3 months ago
@gerinja You're buying into a lot of myths. Hitler frequently referred to God and Christianity in his various speeches and writings. In one 1933 speech, he said that "To do justice to God and our own conscience, we have turned once more to the German Volk." In another he said: "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."
kainedamo 3 months ago
@gerinja In a 1922 speech, he said: "My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in
kainedamo 3 months ago
"His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.
kainedamo 3 months ago
@gerinja ...And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery.
kainedamo 3 months ago
"When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited."
Hitler was a Christian.
kainedamo 3 months ago
@kainedamo Hitler was a Christian.---Nope!
Hitler was a "Christian"---Yep
if I tell everyone I am a police man just because I say so, and wear a police uniform. only fools would be deceived by my words of me being a police man If instead of acting like a police man I act like a law breaker.
truth is that Hitler had atheistic thoughts which are dangerous. same as Stalin and other tyrants in history.
my advise to everyone: keep away from the destructive worldview of atheism.
search Jesus
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja That's very shoddy reasoning. The fact that he did bad things doesn't mean he's an atheist. You could apply that reasoning to so many people. Take the recent Norway shooter, who wrote pages upon pages of these extreme Christian views. You would say, he wasn't a true Christian, because he murdered. But that doesn't make him an atheist either. Hitler never expressed atheist views, either publicly and historically as far as we know never privately.
kainedamo 3 months ago
@kainedamo "That's very shoddy reasoning" No!
Hitler though our brother Jews were to with no human value. By killing the Jews, Hitler was helping the strong survive. So, Hitler did not value human existence. this only comes in an atheistic view! because in an atheistic view, we are not special creatures, just one more species in the animal kingdom, and only the stronger species survive. so you see, Hitler's worldview fits perfectly with the atheistic worldview.
sorry friend, that is truth
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja You're just pulling any justification you can out of thin air to stick with your claim that Hitler was an atheist, when the fact is that you have nothing concrete at all. You could claim that the Crusades was an atheist movement, or the Spanish Inquisition was an atheist movement, with the massive leaps in logic that you use. Do you claim that the Norway shooter was an atheist?
kainedamo 3 months ago
@kainedamo I was only talking about Hitler. while Hitler may have never been seen as an atheist. His atheistic believes were surely there. I don't make excuses for all religions. there are some religions that are very dark indeed. I have not heard of the Norway shooter. sorry can't comment.
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja Hitler stated in Mein Kampf that he killed the Jews because he believed he was doing the will of God. In WWI a British soldier spared his life, and he has retold this story many times citing it as proof that God had higher plans for him. He was a Catholic, and this video is laughably illogical.
Sloth7d 3 months ago
@Sloth7d "Hitler stated in Mein Kampf bla bla bla...." the problem is that you can't see beyond that. too naive. If i told you i am a police officer and i have been sent by higher authority to take you to jail. you'd believe me because i said it, it must be true. you are only a child in your way of thinking.
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja "Hitler stated in Mein Kampf bla bla bla...."
Yes. Clearly I'm the childish one here. Not the one who types stuff like this while ignoring exactly what Hitler said about himself because they can't handle the truth.
Sloth7d 3 months ago
@Sloth7d ok, so what Hitler said about himself must be true because he said it. you have tremendous logic friend.
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja I have superior logic to yours clearly. We're not talking about some physical feat which could be exaggerated and contradicted by his actual limitations as a person. We're talking about his beliefs. Should I deny that you believe in God on the grounds that you word just isn't good enough? Unless you can provide evidential reason to believe he wasn't a Catholic then you have no case; keeping in kind that the Crusades prove that genocide is something Hitler and the Church have in common.
Sloth7d 3 months ago
@Sloth7d "I have superior logic to yours clearly"
hahaha sure you do man! (sarcasm) hahaha
well, you can deny that i am a Christian (even if i say I am) if you see me I do things unchristian like. there is a famous saying: "don't judge a book by its cover" but that is exactly what moronic people do when when they talk about Hitler being anything Christian only because he said he was, and he said he believed in God. Total fail buddy. sorry for the pwn. but its the truth.
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja I don't know why, but since I have the free time, I guess I should educate you. The problem is [with Christianity] every Christian has their own interpretation of scripture. This is why there are a ridiculous number of sects. Thus when you say, "do something unchristian" it becomes a meaningless statement in the grand scheme of things. Really in general; as A. J. Jacobs has proven that it is impossible to follow every letter of the law in his book The Year of Living Biblically.
Sloth7d 3 months ago
(cont.) That bit aside. Exactly what did Hitler do that was so unchristian like? His genocidal actions are synonymous with the genocidal views of the "great protestant reformer" Martin Luther from his book On the Jews and Their Lies. His genocide of the Jews and Hebrews is worse than but not at all different to the Catholic Church's genocide of Arabs and Muslims during the Crusades. I mean unless you're going to call them decievers with atheist thoughts too. Which would be even more hilarious.
Sloth7d 3 months ago
@Sloth7d to be able to recognize what is Christian and what is not. you must first understand that a Christian means "follower of Christ (Jesus)" when then you study Jesus' teachings and what he commanded for us his followers to do, then you will know what is unchristian like. like i have said before: i don't make excuses for all religions and agree many are quite dangerous, but atheism is the worst religion of them all.
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja You're not making any sense in how anything you've said has anything to do with atheism. Anyway, this is getting boring. Not that this hasn't been a good laugh, but I'm through playing with you.
Sloth7d 3 months ago
@Sloth7d sure thing! I guess I am not making sense to you cause you lack the intellect to comprehend and talk about deep philosophic issues. still,,, there is time for you to grow and mature. so that is the bright side. take care friend :)
gerinja 3 months ago
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@gerinja An aheist, isn't someone who says "I am a Christian", and then murders people. As far as we know, Hitler believed in God. An atheist is someone who does not believe in God. You can't claim a person is an atheist, if that person murders.
kainedamo 3 months ago
@gerinja Atheism is by definition a lack of belief in a god or gods. It cannot be by definiton a belief system in of itself. So don't say that atheism is a dangerous belief system. That's like saying a tomato is a dangerous house. It has no coherance or sense to it.
TheAnimeAtheist 3 months ago
@TheAnimeAtheist you gotta be kidding! right? that was a joke comment, right? haha!
gerinja 3 months ago
@gerinja If this entire thing is sarcasm I apologize (I can't read it well sometimes)
TheAnimeAtheist 3 months ago
@gerinja No, that doesn't make sense. I once took part in a debate in school about UFOs, plenty of people think UFOs are real, it doesn't mean they are real.
You're applying a strange way of thinking. You seem to be saying that, since people believe in God, then anyone who engages in conversation in God, must on some level think he's real. That logic would have to apply to UFOs, ghosts, Big Foot, etc.
kainedamo 3 months ago