why would you pledge allegiance to one country why not the whole world, we probably wont survive as a species unless we work together. I agree with everything Evid3nc3 says in this video but i'm surprised he didn't criticise the first part but only the religious part in the end. But good video like always, keep up the good work.
I used your video as a reference for a letter to the government of Canada in regards to a office of religious freedom. It is wrong to imply Canada embraces freedom of religion within our own boarder sir. We justify those of faith over those without everyday by simply not recognizing them. Many non-believers love Canada are hard working and we are productive citizens and we up hold the rule of law. We seek only a free government that keeps the tradition of a secular approach to governance.
Not muslims - they alIegiance belong to Alla ONLY. As a matter a fact any country which is not islamic enough and Sharia is not main law, is their enemy, including USA.
Far too many people believe in the written word. Remember those that would mislead you can also write. Which suggests to me you either read selectively or you are an idiot. You can read selectively and still be an idiot, it all depends on what you chose to select.
@kondor26 I'd like to bring you down on the whole "far too many people believe in the written word". Words have power, they have meaning. If you refuse to acknowledge the power of words, let me ask you this; if words are powerless, then why do they make people cry to read them or change their minds? Words have changed the course of history, communicated ideas and have become integral to our way of life. Be wary of what you read, yes, but never disparage the means by which ideas are conveyed.
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands; one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all."
"The Pledge has been modified four times since its composition, with the most recent change adding the words "under God" in 1954."
Great vid. You would think that putting "In God we trust" on money and "under God" in the pledge of allegiance would be stepping too close to violating the 1st Amendment for the government, but apparently that's completely different to prayer in schools and 10 commandments in courthouses. Now, I must say when I was a kid, saying the pledge, I wasn't offended by the "under god" thing, even though I was nonreligious at the time (and still am). But we need to make sure we don't become a theocracy.
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We kicked GOD out of our schools, our courts, our lives. If I kicked you out of my life, why should you give a damn about me? It is like getting a divorce. There never is a pleasant "oh we screwed up" divorce that was long term. This country was founded on Christian principals. Not atheists, Buddhists, Muslims etc. The Constitution was written by Christian believing people to prevent a state imposed religion upon all. We have freedom from state imposed religion.
@chrisoanderson Actually it was founded on Greek and Roman principles of democracy and republics. The cultures that gave us these ideas were polytheistic and pagan.
Please tell us what those Christian principles are. Love you enemy? Love your neighbor as yourself? Don't resist evil? Turn the other cheek? Give all your money to the poor? If a thief takes your coat, give him the shirt off your back as well? If someone compels you to go a mile, you go two?...etc.
I keep hearing about these Christian principles, but I never hear WHAT they are.
@chrisoanderson I'm sorry but I believe you're mistaken, the founding fathers were mostly Deistic and Pantheistic... however Jerfferson is arguably Atheist. This is NOT a christian nation... this Nation was founded on secularism.
As a catholic in a parochial school I was taught that America didn't place 1 faith above any other was something to be proud of. Your video encapsulates my thoughts& confusion when we where told the Knights Of Columbus's role in getting the in god we trust motto was too something to be proud of. I was like... but what about those who don't believe in a god?
here is another way to look at it. The united states was founded on CHRISTIAN ethics. otherwise if founded by say...muslims, women may be stoned, cant drive, walk alone, etc. How about all of you idiots chew on that one. You can always move to france or turkey if you like that better.
@lanebatts26 LOL U R just 1 more who fails to realize That Xtians aren't very far removed from a time when they where just as backward as they attribute to today's Muslims. Those values cited as Xtian values aren't nor have never been value exclusive to Xtianity No doubt you oppressive Xtians rather those who would hold U accountable leave. But excuse us while we remain to try to make the USA all it can be far as many as possible
@lanebatts26 "here is another way to look at it. The united states was founded on CHRISTIAN ethics. otherwise if founded by say...muslims, women may be stoned, cant drive, walk alone, etc. How about all of you idiots chew on that one. You can always move to france or turkey if you like that better."
Another Hypocritical Christian. Didn't your God's zombie son say something about turning the other cheek? It's called dissent asshole, and it's allowed.
@lanebatts26 Obviously someone of one belief or opinion would come and make their mark on US grounds before anyone else. It's great for you that it was someone Christian, but that doesn't mean that other races or religions would then come along and create different groups and stand for different views. Moving to France or Turkey or any other country would just have the same mixed population. Luckily here in US, we can have different beliefs disregarding that Christians ethics "founded" our land.
@danseretmusique I'm sorry but most of the founding fathers were Deists, not Christian. The united states were founded on enlightenment values that valued democracy, education, science, logic, reasoning, civil debate, and intellectual discourse...
Many of the founding fathers did not go to church, and some of them openly questioned the existence of the Christian, or any other God.
@frojoe2004 The Americas were largely settled by many different Christian nations who were oppressing their religious freedom and persecuting them for their beliefs, yet when they settled here, they decided that they would be the dominant culture and persecute everyone else for their beliefs. But the nation was founded on ideals that rise above this and asks us all to live with each other without asking someone to believe in ANY religious or superstitious form of authority.
@frojoe2004 That is essential to a religiously free society. Our government sponsored claim of divine authority violates my right to not have the religious ethics of the dominant culture imposed on me by the government.
Thank you, for showing clear reasoning on this subject. It can be hard to explain the atheist viewpoint in a calm manner. Being able to point to a video, that allows people to grapple with their thoughts, may help them come to understand what beliefs they hold most dearly.
Funny how this video appears to show others that it wasn't until after the 50's that we put God in things. The fact is the majority of our Founding Fathers believed in the God of the bible and grafted in many laws from the Torah. Look at all of our State constitutions, everyone addresses God. Our first schools in America taught the bible first. Wake up America and turn back to the God that has blessed you.
@randyvild It's a fact that many of the Founding Fathers were deists and did not believe specifically in an Abrahamic God. I don't know who taught you that lie, but it would help the future if you stopped propagating it.
@randyvild Whatever is wrong with America is entirely due to the activities of US Xtians, who wear their Xtianity on their sleeve at all times. I'm not sure that would be a God to turn back to.
@ICrocks *Face plam* I think someone missed the point? It used to NOT say that, now it does. Watch the video again please. That replay feature is pretty handy, isn't it?
since god is imaginary, saying "one nation under god" is like saying "one delusional nation". Writing "we are idiots" on money would be a similar message. Since the monetary system is, really, a dumb, outdated system...saying "we are idiots" on the money actually is precise and well placed.
@mrrealtime ...On March 11, 2010, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit upheld the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance in the case of Newdow v. Rio Linda Union School District. The appellate court ruled that the words were of a "ceremonial and patriotic nature" and did not constitute an establishment of religion.
@mrrealtime ..may i then ask why all the hate for an idea thought to bind our country (you are in Canada?) in an era that was experiencing the 'red threat' of Communism and atheism brought with it. This decision was not a knee jerk response, but thought over by many levels of the Nation before being enacted.
@RhodesWC its hollow to bind a country on an imaginary premise. Why not bind it on an extant premise, like good will towards men, or "by how we treat the weakest, so may you judge us" would be a far more powerful statement to emblazon on money than the vague and meaningless statement which only served the political powers who could invoke "gods will" at any moment for their own ends - as god (and the imaginary) are both silent to protest.
since god is imaginary, saying "one nation under god" is like saying "one delusional nation". Writing "we are idiots" on money would be a similar message. Since the monetary system is, really, a dumb, outdated system...saying "we are idiots" on the money actually is precise and well placed.
The New Zealand national anthem mentions god three times and is called 'God Defend New Zealand'. I always refused to sing it at school as it went against what I believed.
also dont forget the army of god, lol a christian terrorist group that targetted abortion clinics..... funny they give the right to life, but justify taking others life to hold their beliefs..... sounds alot like other radicalist religions....
"And this be our motto: in God is our trust" ---fourth and final stanza of "The Star-Spangled Banner", written in 1814 and adopted as the national anthem in 1931.
Until 1956, the United States had no official motto. Therefore, there was no motto to "change" in response to Soviet cultural threats.
What Atheists interpret as an assault on their beliefs is more often than not just paranoia on their part. Whether you agree with it or not, the Christian God has been part of the common American...
@AlabamaSoldier ...identity since before even the Revolution. Such reference has been used in our courts, our government, and our everyday expressions since the very beginning. It is, in fact, Atheists who are the offenders in the question of who is attacking whom.
@AlabamaSoldier I respectfully disagree friend. The fact that the motto was 'created' rather than 'changed' has nothing to do with the fact that the motto is overly presumptuous and non-inclusive. We do not take the motto as an assault. We merely take it as exclusion. Like we are not truly Americans. After all we cannot truthfully recite the Pledge of Allegiance. But that makes us no less American than a Christian. God has hardly anything to do with Patriotism. And he shouldn't.
@tommysdaman The national anthem says that's our motto. Either the anthem is wrong, or that must be our motto. If you don't like it, take it up with the anthem. Don't berate the pledge of allegiance for it.
Of course, this is all leading back into the foundation of our nation. See my previous arguments for that one.
You know, I'm quite surprised that any reference to God in public and civil life was originally a response to atheistic communism, but despite this I don't think any reference to God is required to begin with. But it's unsurprising that such explicit reference is rooted in fear and anxiety.
If we're talking majorities we may as well say America is a Christian, white, female, adult, English-speaking, bi-pedal, Republican nation. Is that okay?
the 2008 American Religios Identification study showed those with no religion as being 15% of the U.S. population while atheists and agnostics each showing as less than 1% but I think the disparities in these numbers can confidently be attributed to the misunderstanding and demonization of the word "atheist" as being (as you said) a firm belief there is no god.
I think its clear that, if more people understood its correct definition, the segment of the population would be closer to 20%.
Actually if you're a consistent atheist, You don't agree with the american values of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and equal rights since the Declaration of Independence says we get these rights from our Creator with a capital C. Therefore I have no problem with alienating atheist from the rest of Americans, if you are a consistent atheist, you are un-American. Luckily, most atheist aren't consistent in their worldviews.
@SilenThps "Actually if you're a consistent atheist, You don't agree with the american values of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and equal rights since the Declaration of Independence says we get these rights from our Creator"
just because we dont believe these things were created by god does not mean we dont see them as valuable qualities of human life as part of a society.
@stiimuli Thats why I said if you're a "consistent atheist." Most atheist aren't consistent with their naturalistic worldview and borrow ideas and values from the Christian Theistic worldview. All of which, just shows that atheist aren't confident in their own beliefs.
@SilenThps "Most atheist aren't consistent with their naturalistic worldview and borrow ideas and values from the Christian Theistic worldview"
really? Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness were strictly christian values? Christianity invented these? You dont honestly believe this do you?
"All of which, just shows that atheist aren't confident in their own beliefs."
What beliefs do atheists hold that they are not confident in?
@SilenThps what you're doing is the exact thing I mentioned in my last comment and what is mentioned as ocurring in the above video. You're simply demonizing atheists and spreading a misunderstanding of what atheism is....all in service to your religion.
@SilenThps and dont forget that much of christianity (including many stories in the bible) were "borrowed" from other religions and myths including the virgin birth, rising from the dead, the exodus, the creation story, the great flood and even the christian view of god..
@stiimuli Christianity didn't borrow anything. It's a continuation of the Judaism but most of all, the new testament is a historic document. Even if there were other stories of virgin birth's, just because Christianity has it, doesn't mean it borrowed from them. It simply means they were recording a historic event that actually happened.
@SilenThps Technically it is just one, relatively inconsistent account recorded years after an event by a limited number of scholars. Whilst not all that applicable to the virgin birth, the date of Jesus' alleged birth is known to have been moved to the 25/12. Herod the Great could not have met the Maji - he was 4 years dead and buried at that point. Luke's census account does not conform to actual Roman practice.
The New Testiment is a lot of things, but accurate historical document it is not.
@SilenThps " rofl, dude get with the times, everything you just said has been discredited years ago."
by who? the very members of the religion who have a vested interest in promoting the religion?
History has shown that religions will often use disinformation, dishonesty, fear and violence in order to hold on to power. Christianity is one of the most famous perpetrators of these practices.
Disparity between the 'historical' accounts of the Bible and what actually happened have long been proven, and further backed up by verified archaeological evidence.
Rational thinking tells me that certain aspects of the Bible's historicity have been cobbled together from two or three radically different accounts of events by biased people who, most likely, weren't even witnesses to an event - An act of butchery against historical accuracy of course.
@stiimuli 1) no, but the Christian theistic worldview can account for having those values while the naturalistic atheistic worldview can't.
2) There are too many to name. They are not confident in their worldview at all. They say that outside of the natural world, nothing exist, yet they still have beliefs in such things as morals, logic, values etc... even though none of those things exist in the natural world.
@SilenThps " no, but the Christian theistic worldview can account for having those values while the naturalistic atheistic worldview can't"
How does the christian theistic worldview account for these things? If you believe the story of the bible to be accurate then you must also believe the accounts in the bible of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness being denied by god or ordered by god to be denied to others.
@SilenThps You must also remember that many of the founding fathers of the U.S. publically denounced religion or were flat out atheists.
One of the main reasons for founding this country as a secular society and establishing the seperation of church and state was in fleeing religious tyranny in europe where catholics and protestants were killing each other just because of religious differences.
@SilenThps "There are too many to name. They are not confident in their worldview at all. They say that outside of the natural world, nothing exist"
Sorry, wrong again. Atheism only means one thing... not believing in a god. That's it. There is no worldview, there is no dogma. No statement towards any other idea is made. Its simply not believing the claims of deities that religions make.
However many atheists are also skeptics and rational thinkers concerning other supernatural claims.
@SilenThps "yet they still have beliefs in such things as morals, logic, values etc... even though none of those things exist in the natural world."
Once again...atheism makes no claims about these ideas. As a skeptic and rationalist I can tell you that those three things are all constructs of the human mind and often dependant on the society to which an individual belongs.
Research thus far suggests these things all developed as a function of families, tribes and societies.
@SilenThe author of the Declaration of Independence also penned "But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. " That's an inconsistent world view. Did or didn't the author of the DoI believe those rights R endowed by a Creator. I recall the original has a lot of irregular capitalization, as such any capitalization is open to interpenetration.
@Evid3nc3: Extend your reasoning just ONE more step. What if our supposed "UNITY" were itself, a simulacrum? What if the quest for "unity" and "collective identity" were nothing more a desire for some sort of cosmic group identity, uniform and objective, that in reality has no more existence than the sky spirit into which so many people invest belief? What if the only real morality is that we much treat each individual AS an individual and not as a member of an arbitrary group? Keep going.
I always wondered if the importance of God in the american culture came from the time of the Cold war, where people were dispaired to look the less possible like the "communist" countries. It seems that, howsome, it does. Though...the term god could stay a symbolic figure.
This video makes it out like atheist are being persecuted or something. It may say "In God We Trust" and "One Nation Under God" but Atheist beliefs are the ones being pushed in schools, and on TV and Movies, Christianity is being pushed out. The modern world acts like believing in God is ridiculous.
@PlzHelpwithname Any cases I've heard of teachers telling students to pray has been met with a slew of protest and often gets dragged to court. My own experience being a Christian in school is always being bombarded by atheist teachers and students who wish to make Christians look like morons. Also my brothers and cousins are teachers and while taught in college had to endure Atheist teachers teaching that Christianity is stupid and had to give the atheist answer on opinion essays or fail.
@DCOKB "Any cases I've heard of teachers telling students to pray has been met with a slew of protest and often gets dragged to court"
as well it should be. The purpose of public school ts to educate children about the world...not to recruit them into a religion. Public school should be religion nuetral.
How would you feel if you heard your children were asked by a teacher to bow 5 times a day to Allah? You'd be appalled that teacher was pushing their religion onto students.
This video assumes many things that are incorrect in saying that atheists are the only people who are being excluded. What about religions where the terms "in God we trust" and "under God" are incompatible such as polytheistic religions; What about religions that do not have deities; what about secularists who may be of a monotheistic faith and regardless of that do not want it on their money or pledge.
Ever since I was a child I've been forced to say the Pledge of Allegiance, which contains that crucial phrase making the entire pledge a lie.
As a lifelong Buddhist, I will not earnestly pledge allegiance to something "under god." That part trivializes the entire pledge. It has always made me consider the Pledge of Allegiance to be a sort of joke.
So wouldn't it be better to change the Pledge of Allegiance to something that I and others take seriously?
@briandoom I don't understand why people get so riled up about this, just don't say the under God part. It's easier to just skip that part, rather than take it to court and get them to change the pledge. And I really doubt if any teacher will notice that your not saying that part, nor do I think that they will make a big deal out of it.
@briandoom I suppose I'm lucky that my family was Jehovah's Witness as a kid. My parents told us not to take the pledge of allegiance.
Then when at age 10 I dropped Christianity and became a Buddhist that carried over, and I still didn't take the pledge. Now a decade and a half later I've still never pledged my allegiance to the flag under god or to any other kind of flag.
@briandoom Given America's heritage, no. America was founded as a Christian nation. Removing references to Christianity would be like pouring water into a glass of wine. Christians see the pledge as an affirmation of their beliefs. Non-Christians are free to see it as a tribute to the American identity and past.
@AlabamaSoldier Learn your history before you go ranting on about "America's heritage." The United States of America was most certainly NOT founded on Christian beliefs, and most of the Founding Fathers weren't even Christians. (They were mostly Deists.)
@lekonua The Founding Fathers may have been mostly Deists, but Deism was never much more than a cult in America. The overwhelming majority of Americans at the nation's founding were Christians and they wielded their political power accordingly. Do not make the mistake of attributing this entire nation's existence to fifty five men.
It was an interesting video until the end and you spewed all of the politically correct crap. Apparently, you cannot abandon one bullshit idea without adopting a new bullshit idea.
No, but if it said "One nation of people who love birds" and 10% of the population suffered from ornithophobia, that phrase would be stupid enough and false enough to deserve removal.
The phrase "One Nation Under God" is not a symbol. It is a claim. It is a silly and false claim.
That was such a great, great video! Don't forget, though, that "under god" also excludes those who don't worship only one god. Thanks for posting this video.
doesn't capitalizing the word God also exclude polytheists who don't necessarily believe in God but instead many gods and goddesses? Because doesn't God with a capital 'g' refer to those who believe in the monotheistic God?
Just curious as to why that wasn't added.
It's a great video though. I like it very much. The whole religion thing in the USA has bothered me for some time because I consider myself not really that religious.
Okay lets put it this way, if you're a true Christian you believe in murder, rape, pillage, plunder, slavery, and child abuse. Most Christians haven't really sat down and read the bible.
It's interesting to see how many "timeless" notions about America we're all taught about as schoolchildren, are revealed from our more reasonable adulthood to be only the more recent in an unending train of sophistry and sloganeering.
Also, all the atheists bashing Christianity is quite hypocritical. Not all Christians were/are part of the KKK, support the Westboro Baptist Church, and hate gays. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most Atheists are just against Christianity instead of religion as a whole, what's up with that?
@iLiekMesos we are against the ideology, not the people. and well most americans are christians, when you address a specific religion you can discuss it better.
@iLiekMesos My guess is that you are misunderstanding people's views. Since the U.S. is majority Christian, atheists in the U.S. simply know more about them and have to deal with them much more often. Many atheists in the U.S. are former Christians. You'll see some atheists "stick up" for Muslim-Americans, but not because they LOVE Islam, but because they recognize the application of Christian privilege in the U.S. so they point it out.
(cont) . "Democracy," he explained, "is the political expression of a deeply felt religion." At the urging of the Knights of Columbus, Eisenhower added the words "Under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance. This attempt to endow the nation with sacred meaning is nothing new; it's historical antecedents stretch back to the Puritans. But the marriage of religion and politics during the Eisenhower era gave renewed impetus to the tendency to equate American goals with God's purpose.”
In the religious resurgence that followed World War II, America faced off against its former ally, the Soviet Union, in the Cold War against "godless communism." Religion became increasingly prominent in the nation's public life. As historians Paul Harvey and Philip Goff have noted, the "high priest" of America's civil religion was Dwight D. Eisenhower, former commander of the allied forces in Europe.
this was also highlighted in the good PBS series "God in America" when the religious (zealots) of the right came into power and projected their FUD tactics upon the american populous – (con't)
Hmmmm, I'd never heard that the appearance of 'In God We Trust' on our paper money was a response to rising tensions between the Soviet Union and the US. Could someone point me to a reliable web page or other document that supports this claim? The motto first appeared on our coinage in 1864 on the 2-cent piece as an attempt to give Americans hope & solace during the horrors of the Civil War. Despite my atheism my inner-numismatist is inclined to give the motto a pass.
@lLordwhoisamoron Apparently where you come from making statements without proof is perfectly acceptable. Name one founding document that has the word "god" in it.
I just found several links of dollar bills dating earlier than 1950 and they all say in God we trust...what is he really trying to say? and America was founded by christians, go re-read your history about the "original" mayflower compact
@mkmohr Oh ya I forgot about wikipedia! Because every trustworthy article comes from there. Wikipedia is user based info, anyone can post anything about the subject. In fact, I am currently attending a top ten major university here in the U.S. and they forbid us using wikipedia as a source for information! So I would try to find your information elsewhere MKMOHR
@B3R3T where did you find your info B3R3T? Give me the links. I know Wikipedia is open mate! That the point of the site. But why haven't somebody put a note and link to your apparently groundbreaking information.
Do you trust United States Department of the Treasury then? try googling this:
"in god we trust U.S. Treasury". You will easily find this "IN GOD WE TRUST was first used on paper money in 1957". so I guess old Wiki got that one right.
@mkmohr Furthermore, it appeared on the first form of money in 1856! Go and read the mayflower compact, and about how america was founded by religious people trying to establish a new land. GOD is mentioned every where.
@B3R3T the Mayflower Compact has not founded the U.S. The Declaration of Independence in 1776 and United States (read U.S) Constitution in 1788 by "The Founding Fathers".
@B3R3T The Mayflower was in no sense, the foundation of the government for america, and neither is the Decleration of Independence. It is no more of a legal document than any of the current tea-party rally banners. How about looking at the Constitution, where is no mention of god. Or the Treaty of Tripoli which was unanimously voted for by a founding father, and one of the first senates which states, "... the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"
Well deserved winner. What an elegant and thought-provoking video! If only it was simple to revert the USA's identity to being all-inclusive without the threat of retaliation from those who currently enjoy additional interest in the concept of "A Christian nation". I am always disappointed in the UK to hear that we are "A Christian nation" as spoken by colleagues when even now when only 7% of the population attend church and the majority (I think it's 74%) do not believe in a personal God.
Well, atheists are certainly not above being offended. Since I can only speak for myself, I will freely admit there are plenty of things out there that I find highly offensive, but at the same time I recognize the fact that I do not have the right to not be offended.
@LordWhorfinX2 Hey... Jesus sucked my cock last night after I'd pounded his mom's ass for hours... It's hard to get off with Mary being such a slut.. Fucking all prolapsed and shit.
@LordWhorfinX2 Yes, how outrageous it is to be offended by a blatant disregard for the US Constitution. Atheists should be rounded up and put in jail without trial (since the Constitution doesn't seem to matter any more).
no christian terrorists? you have got to be kidding...the KKK is just one example of christian terrorists, and thats in the US...it doesnt take much research to find chistian terrorists all over the world
@PhuckyMcPhuck - actually that's correct that there are no Christian terrorists.....the groups you mention as examples like the KKK....they are not Christian at all....they believe in Christ alright, a false Christ that hates both sin and the sinner and use such a corrupted belief to justify hatred of sinners when true Christians, who follow the true Christ, follow the philosophy of hate the sin, LOVE the sinner....we believe in a Christ who shows mercy to sinners
@josamen Then there are no Christians - since you are defining Christian to only mean the perfect ones. Then there are also no Muslim terrorists either - because only the perfect Muslims are real Muslims.
@sinmantyx - *sigh*....I never said we as Christians are perfect....I was just trying to point out the rather large difference between being imperfect and actually using Christian values to justify gratuitous violence.....that is rather impossible to do since the Christian faith is all about love and mercy for sinners.....people who misappropriate these values for such twisted ends are not true Christians...
@sinmantyx - and true Christians being those who, while not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, preach hatred of sin but love and mercy to those who commit sin, not attempting to apply such values to a corrupted philosophy of hating both the sin and the sinner
@josamen Christians who contend that they abhor sin, not sinners, ignore the fact that their beliefs only help to incite and inflame the justification for the hate and brutalities against LGBT's and non-believers in the minds of religious conservatives. Christians have abandoned Jesus' command to love, not to judge and help others have been rejected by the religious majority in America. The Religious Right wants to eradicate welfare, bar universal healthcare and keep gays from equal rights.
@blobvision - would I go out hunting and killing gays? no.....would I deny one a job that is secular in nature (recognizing that religious institutions are allowed to be discriminatory in who they hire), such as working in a supermarket to a gay person? no.....would I defend a gay person against a brutal attack? yes.......would I join them together in holy matrimony? no.....this is because unlike the previous situations, which are associated with their basic civil liberties
@blobvision - (con't) marriage is not an unalienable right...it is not mentioned in the Constitution as such.....marriage is an institution given unto societies through natural law as a life-giving institution......and as such is only open to those couples whose union is naturally ordered towards producing the gift of productive new life for human society....not to mention this would set a bad precedent....people engaged in other sinful lifestyles of a sexual nature could also demand the
@blobvision - non-existent unalienable "right" to marriage...people like pedophiles or people into bestiality....who could make the same case LGBT's make, that they really and truly love the object of their sinful affection.....that is our only reason for opposing such...we aren't out to deprive them of their civil liberties but neither can we accept honoring with participation in the institution of marriage sexual lifestyles which are in clear violation of the natural order
The problem with that is the values 'we' all stand for are FUBAR!!!
ralphhearsey 1 week ago
why would you pledge allegiance to one country why not the whole world, we probably wont survive as a species unless we work together. I agree with everything Evid3nc3 says in this video but i'm surprised he didn't criticise the first part but only the religious part in the end. But good video like always, keep up the good work.
TheUntrueFantasy 1 week ago in playlist Conceptual
"One white nation" lol
VetinariClone 3 weeks ago in playlist Conceptual
THE NEW PENNY HAS THAT ON IT
ghgg99 3 weeks ago
I wasn't aware that muslims or christians were into equality?
lyris1 1 month ago
I used your video as a reference for a letter to the government of Canada in regards to a office of religious freedom. It is wrong to imply Canada embraces freedom of religion within our own boarder sir. We justify those of faith over those without everyday by simply not recognizing them. Many non-believers love Canada are hard working and we are productive citizens and we up hold the rule of law. We seek only a free government that keeps the tradition of a secular approach to governance.
apple2018 1 month ago
Not muslims - they alIegiance belong to Alla ONLY. As a matter a fact any country which is not islamic enough and Sharia is not main law, is their enemy, including USA.
TheWersum 2 months ago
Once again you have done a wonderful job with the pictures and facts about the truth of things. And your voice is so soothing. A bit quiet though.
yashaouchan 2 months ago
Far too many people believe in the written word. Remember those that would mislead you can also write. Which suggests to me you either read selectively or you are an idiot. You can read selectively and still be an idiot, it all depends on what you chose to select.
kondor26 2 months ago
@kondor26 I'd like to bring you down on the whole "far too many people believe in the written word". Words have power, they have meaning. If you refuse to acknowledge the power of words, let me ask you this; if words are powerless, then why do they make people cry to read them or change their minds? Words have changed the course of history, communicated ideas and have become integral to our way of life. Be wary of what you read, yes, but never disparage the means by which ideas are conveyed.
LichQueenKathie 1 month ago
2:15 : "....taco"
justrandomIguess157 3 months ago
unsubscribed, by the way.
topperheartramada 3 months ago
how the FUCK do muslims agree on democracy, equality, or freedom of speech?
topperheartramada 3 months ago
That is NOT the pledge of allegiance as it was in 1953. The pledge read " one nation under god indivisible" fucken dummy
MrSoldier492 3 months ago
@MrSoldier492
You're a fucken dummy.
Mectrixctic 3 months ago
@Mectrixctic same way Christians do, smartass L)
Djibox 2 months ago
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@MrSoldier492
Yes it is.
1924 to 1954
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands; one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all."
"The Pledge has been modified four times since its composition, with the most recent change adding the words "under God" in 1954."
Wikipedia -> Search -> Pledge of Allegiance
Rhowryn 3 months ago in playlist More videos from Evid3nc3
If only denmark had such a motto :(
JRBendixen 3 months ago
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XEUx001 5 months ago
One white nation.
You mad, black people who want UNDER GOD in your bullshit?
Calsendon 5 months ago
Amen to that!
mapmanic 6 months ago
Great vid. You would think that putting "In God we trust" on money and "under God" in the pledge of allegiance would be stepping too close to violating the 1st Amendment for the government, but apparently that's completely different to prayer in schools and 10 commandments in courthouses. Now, I must say when I was a kid, saying the pledge, I wasn't offended by the "under god" thing, even though I was nonreligious at the time (and still am). But we need to make sure we don't become a theocracy.
wildsmiley 7 months ago 4
@randvlid
If God had blessed us:
a) Why did we just go through a massive recession
b) Why are so many people unemployed?
c) Why is abortion legal?
d) Why are thousands of Americans dieing?
Hint: It's because God doesn't care.
Naaaaaaayr 7 months ago
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We kicked GOD out of our schools, our courts, our lives. If I kicked you out of my life, why should you give a damn about me? It is like getting a divorce. There never is a pleasant "oh we screwed up" divorce that was long term. This country was founded on Christian principals. Not atheists, Buddhists, Muslims etc. The Constitution was written by Christian believing people to prevent a state imposed religion upon all. We have freedom from state imposed religion.
chrisoanderson 7 months ago
@chrisoanderson Actually it was founded on Greek and Roman principles of democracy and republics. The cultures that gave us these ideas were polytheistic and pagan.
warjikin 6 months ago 2
@warjikin ,
You're absolutely right.
sgapplebee 6 months ago
@chrisoanderson
Please tell us what those Christian principles are. Love you enemy? Love your neighbor as yourself? Don't resist evil? Turn the other cheek? Give all your money to the poor? If a thief takes your coat, give him the shirt off your back as well? If someone compels you to go a mile, you go two?...etc.
I keep hearing about these Christian principles, but I never hear WHAT they are.
sgapplebee 6 months ago
@chrisoanderson The US Constitution was not written by Christians.
Strangerinasland 6 months ago 2
@chrisoanderson I'm sorry but I believe you're mistaken, the founding fathers were mostly Deistic and Pantheistic... however Jerfferson is arguably Atheist. This is NOT a christian nation... this Nation was founded on secularism.
KensADork 6 months ago 3
@Naaaaaaayr c) Control over one's reproductive system is a right.
warjikin 6 months ago 2
@Naaaaaaayr No, Its because God doesn't exist. The belief of God is for comfort. Period.
danseretmusique 6 months ago
As a catholic in a parochial school I was taught that America didn't place 1 faith above any other was something to be proud of. Your video encapsulates my thoughts& confusion when we where told the Knights Of Columbus's role in getting the in god we trust motto was too something to be proud of. I was like... but what about those who don't believe in a god?
5lkk 7 months ago 2
here is another way to look at it. The united states was founded on CHRISTIAN ethics. otherwise if founded by say...muslims, women may be stoned, cant drive, walk alone, etc. How about all of you idiots chew on that one. You can always move to france or turkey if you like that better.
lanebatts26 7 months ago
@lanebatts26 LOL U R just 1 more who fails to realize That Xtians aren't very far removed from a time when they where just as backward as they attribute to today's Muslims. Those values cited as Xtian values aren't nor have never been value exclusive to Xtianity No doubt you oppressive Xtians rather those who would hold U accountable leave. But excuse us while we remain to try to make the USA all it can be far as many as possible
5lkk 7 months ago 2
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@lanebatts26 "here is another way to look at it. The united states was founded on CHRISTIAN ethics. otherwise if founded by say...muslims, women may be stoned, cant drive, walk alone, etc. How about all of you idiots chew on that one. You can always move to france or turkey if you like that better."
Another Hypocritical Christian. Didn't your God's zombie son say something about turning the other cheek? It's called dissent asshole, and it's allowed.
spacewolf5462 7 months ago 4
@lanebatts26 The first amendment. Chew on that one.
elsparx 7 months ago 2
@lanebatts26
Christian ethics like slavery?
ASCENSION462 7 months ago 3
@lanebatts26 Obviously someone of one belief or opinion would come and make their mark on US grounds before anyone else. It's great for you that it was someone Christian, but that doesn't mean that other races or religions would then come along and create different groups and stand for different views. Moving to France or Turkey or any other country would just have the same mixed population. Luckily here in US, we can have different beliefs disregarding that Christians ethics "founded" our land.
danseretmusique 6 months ago
@danseretmusique I'm sorry but most of the founding fathers were Deists, not Christian. The united states were founded on enlightenment values that valued democracy, education, science, logic, reasoning, civil debate, and intellectual discourse...
Many of the founding fathers did not go to church, and some of them openly questioned the existence of the Christian, or any other God.
frojoe2004 5 months ago
@frojoe2004 The Americas were largely settled by many different Christian nations who were oppressing their religious freedom and persecuting them for their beliefs, yet when they settled here, they decided that they would be the dominant culture and persecute everyone else for their beliefs. But the nation was founded on ideals that rise above this and asks us all to live with each other without asking someone to believe in ANY religious or superstitious form of authority.
frojoe2004 5 months ago
@frojoe2004 That is essential to a religiously free society. Our government sponsored claim of divine authority violates my right to not have the religious ethics of the dominant culture imposed on me by the government.
frojoe2004 5 months ago
Thank you, for showing clear reasoning on this subject. It can be hard to explain the atheist viewpoint in a calm manner. Being able to point to a video, that allows people to grapple with their thoughts, may help them come to understand what beliefs they hold most dearly.
Getyurfactsstrait 7 months ago 2
Hahaha...one straight nation. Lmao.
Ledwix 8 months ago
Funny how this video appears to show others that it wasn't until after the 50's that we put God in things. The fact is the majority of our Founding Fathers believed in the God of the bible and grafted in many laws from the Torah. Look at all of our State constitutions, everyone addresses God. Our first schools in America taught the bible first. Wake up America and turn back to the God that has blessed you.
randyvild 8 months ago
@randyvild So you support getting rid of the first amendment? It goes directly against the first commandment.
Ledwix 8 months ago
@randyvild "fact "-- "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. "
cruciphile 8 months ago
@randyvild It's a fact that many of the Founding Fathers were deists and did not believe specifically in an Abrahamic God. I don't know who taught you that lie, but it would help the future if you stopped propagating it.
FrostdPoptart 7 months ago 15
@randyvild Whatever is wrong with America is entirely due to the activities of US Xtians, who wear their Xtianity on their sleeve at all times. I'm not sure that would be a God to turn back to.
5lkk 7 months ago
Congratulations on winning First Place!! Well deserved and a great job. Thanks for all the work you put into these videos.
Dancinstan1 8 months ago
I love how you want to use the original pledge of allegiance but don't use the whole thing by leaving out the "under God" part
ICrocks 8 months ago
@ICrocks *Face plam* I think someone missed the point? It used to NOT say that, now it does. Watch the video again please. That replay feature is pretty handy, isn't it?
mosoi148 8 months ago 2
@ICrocks you do realize that the ORIGINAL pledge of allegiance, watch the video again.
MrLoko435 8 months ago 2
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Task5003 9 months ago
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Task5003 9 months ago
Well good!
mutbutyt 9 months ago
Damn right!
joeluby 9 months ago
Briliant
YahwehNoweh 10 months ago
since god is imaginary, saying "one nation under god" is like saying "one delusional nation". Writing "we are idiots" on money would be a similar message. Since the monetary system is, really, a dumb, outdated system...saying "we are idiots" on the money actually is precise and well placed.
mrrealtime 10 months ago 29
@mrrealtime ...On March 11, 2010, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit upheld the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance in the case of Newdow v. Rio Linda Union School District. The appellate court ruled that the words were of a "ceremonial and patriotic nature" and did not constitute an establishment of religion.
RhodesWC 3 months ago
@RhodesWC I realize the history of why it is there, but that doesn't make it any less stupid.
mrrealtime 3 months ago
@mrrealtime ..may i then ask why all the hate for an idea thought to bind our country (you are in Canada?) in an era that was experiencing the 'red threat' of Communism and atheism brought with it. This decision was not a knee jerk response, but thought over by many levels of the Nation before being enacted.
RhodesWC 3 months ago
@RhodesWC its hollow to bind a country on an imaginary premise. Why not bind it on an extant premise, like good will towards men, or "by how we treat the weakest, so may you judge us" would be a far more powerful statement to emblazon on money than the vague and meaningless statement which only served the political powers who could invoke "gods will" at any moment for their own ends - as god (and the imaginary) are both silent to protest.
mrrealtime 3 months ago 2
since god is imaginary, saying "one nation under god" is like saying "one delusional nation". Writing "we are idiots" on money would be a similar message. Since the monetary system is, really, a dumb, outdated system...saying "we are idiots" on the money actually is precise and well placed.
mrrealtime 10 months ago
The New Zealand national anthem mentions god three times and is called 'God Defend New Zealand'. I always refused to sing it at school as it went against what I believed.
SleepingxWithxGhosts 10 months ago
also dont forget the army of god, lol a christian terrorist group that targetted abortion clinics..... funny they give the right to life, but justify taking others life to hold their beliefs..... sounds alot like other radicalist religions....
satsua 10 months ago 2
"And this be our motto: in God is our trust" ---fourth and final stanza of "The Star-Spangled Banner", written in 1814 and adopted as the national anthem in 1931.
Until 1956, the United States had no official motto. Therefore, there was no motto to "change" in response to Soviet cultural threats.
What Atheists interpret as an assault on their beliefs is more often than not just paranoia on their part. Whether you agree with it or not, the Christian God has been part of the common American...
AlabamaSoldier 10 months ago
@AlabamaSoldier ...identity since before even the Revolution. Such reference has been used in our courts, our government, and our everyday expressions since the very beginning. It is, in fact, Atheists who are the offenders in the question of who is attacking whom.
AlabamaSoldier 10 months ago
@AlabamaSoldier I respectfully disagree friend. The fact that the motto was 'created' rather than 'changed' has nothing to do with the fact that the motto is overly presumptuous and non-inclusive. We do not take the motto as an assault. We merely take it as exclusion. Like we are not truly Americans. After all we cannot truthfully recite the Pledge of Allegiance. But that makes us no less American than a Christian. God has hardly anything to do with Patriotism. And he shouldn't.
tommysdaman 10 months ago 2
@tommysdaman The national anthem says that's our motto. Either the anthem is wrong, or that must be our motto. If you don't like it, take it up with the anthem. Don't berate the pledge of allegiance for it.
Of course, this is all leading back into the foundation of our nation. See my previous arguments for that one.
AlabamaSoldier 10 months ago
why is there a star of david on the back of the dollar? above the eagle
TheDocRex 11 months ago
You know, I'm quite surprised that any reference to God in public and civil life was originally a response to atheistic communism, but despite this I don't think any reference to God is required to begin with. But it's unsurprising that such explicit reference is rooted in fear and anxiety.
philonous09 11 months ago 2
If we're talking majorities we may as well say America is a Christian, white, female, adult, English-speaking, bi-pedal, Republican nation. Is that okay?
maximusspqr 11 months ago 27
A seemingly otherwise normal Christian told me the other day "Rationality is the path to death".
rsonn27 1 year ago
@rsonn27
Irrationality will get you there quicker. :p
halodork 11 months ago
'Elegant'.......i think this shud sum it all up :)
srnfalkon 1 year ago
the 2008 American Religios Identification study showed those with no religion as being 15% of the U.S. population while atheists and agnostics each showing as less than 1% but I think the disparities in these numbers can confidently be attributed to the misunderstanding and demonization of the word "atheist" as being (as you said) a firm belief there is no god.
I think its clear that, if more people understood its correct definition, the segment of the population would be closer to 20%.
stiimuli 1 year ago
Actually if you're a consistent atheist, You don't agree with the american values of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and equal rights since the Declaration of Independence says we get these rights from our Creator with a capital C. Therefore I have no problem with alienating atheist from the rest of Americans, if you are a consistent atheist, you are un-American. Luckily, most atheist aren't consistent in their worldviews.
SilenThps 1 year ago
@SilenThps "Actually if you're a consistent atheist, You don't agree with the american values of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and equal rights since the Declaration of Independence says we get these rights from our Creator"
just because we dont believe these things were created by god does not mean we dont see them as valuable qualities of human life as part of a society.
you've made an unwarranted leap of logic here.
stiimuli 1 year ago
@stiimuli Thats why I said if you're a "consistent atheist." Most atheist aren't consistent with their naturalistic worldview and borrow ideas and values from the Christian Theistic worldview. All of which, just shows that atheist aren't confident in their own beliefs.
SilenThps 1 year ago
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@SilenThps "Most atheist aren't consistent with their naturalistic worldview and borrow ideas and values from the Christian Theistic worldview"
really? Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness were strictly christian values? Christianity invented these? You dont honestly believe this do you?
"All of which, just shows that atheist aren't confident in their own beliefs."
What beliefs do atheists hold that they are not confident in?
stiimuli 1 year ago
@SilenThps what you're doing is the exact thing I mentioned in my last comment and what is mentioned as ocurring in the above video. You're simply demonizing atheists and spreading a misunderstanding of what atheism is....all in service to your religion.
stiimuli 1 year ago
@SilenThps and dont forget that much of christianity (including many stories in the bible) were "borrowed" from other religions and myths including the virgin birth, rising from the dead, the exodus, the creation story, the great flood and even the christian view of god..
stiimuli 1 year ago
@stiimuli Christianity didn't borrow anything. It's a continuation of the Judaism but most of all, the new testament is a historic document. Even if there were other stories of virgin birth's, just because Christianity has it, doesn't mean it borrowed from them. It simply means they were recording a historic event that actually happened.
SilenThps 1 year ago
@SilenThps "Even if there were other stories of virgin birth's, just because Christianity has it, doesn't mean it borrowed from them"
It does when so many of the events are documented as happening in other mythologies to other people in completely different time periods.
and by what measure are you claiming the bible to be historically accurate? What sources corroborate the accounts in the new testament?
It appears you need to do more research on how the bible came to be.
stiimuli 1 year ago
@SilenThps Technically it is just one, relatively inconsistent account recorded years after an event by a limited number of scholars. Whilst not all that applicable to the virgin birth, the date of Jesus' alleged birth is known to have been moved to the 25/12. Herod the Great could not have met the Maji - he was 4 years dead and buried at that point. Luke's census account does not conform to actual Roman practice.
The New Testiment is a lot of things, but accurate historical document it is not.
DasIstMatt 1 year ago
@DasIstMatt rofl, dude get with the times, everything you just said has been discredited years ago.
SilenThps 1 year ago
@SilenThps " rofl, dude get with the times, everything you just said has been discredited years ago."
by who? the very members of the religion who have a vested interest in promoting the religion?
History has shown that religions will often use disinformation, dishonesty, fear and violence in order to hold on to power. Christianity is one of the most famous perpetrators of these practices.
stiimuli 1 year ago
@SilenThps Really? By whom exactly?
Disparity between the 'historical' accounts of the Bible and what actually happened have long been proven, and further backed up by verified archaeological evidence.
Rational thinking tells me that certain aspects of the Bible's historicity have been cobbled together from two or three radically different accounts of events by biased people who, most likely, weren't even witnesses to an event - An act of butchery against historical accuracy of course.
DasIstMatt 1 year ago
@SilenThps 1) do you really believe christianity invented life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
2) what beliefs of atheists are they not confident in?
stiimuli 1 year ago
@stiimuli 1) no, but the Christian theistic worldview can account for having those values while the naturalistic atheistic worldview can't.
2) There are too many to name. They are not confident in their worldview at all. They say that outside of the natural world, nothing exist, yet they still have beliefs in such things as morals, logic, values etc... even though none of those things exist in the natural world.
SilenThps 1 year ago
@SilenThps " no, but the Christian theistic worldview can account for having those values while the naturalistic atheistic worldview can't"
How does the christian theistic worldview account for these things? If you believe the story of the bible to be accurate then you must also believe the accounts in the bible of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness being denied by god or ordered by god to be denied to others.
stiimuli 1 year ago
@SilenThps You must also remember that many of the founding fathers of the U.S. publically denounced religion or were flat out atheists.
One of the main reasons for founding this country as a secular society and establishing the seperation of church and state was in fleeing religious tyranny in europe where catholics and protestants were killing each other just because of religious differences.
stiimuli 1 year ago
@SilenThps "There are too many to name. They are not confident in their worldview at all. They say that outside of the natural world, nothing exist"
Sorry, wrong again. Atheism only means one thing... not believing in a god. That's it. There is no worldview, there is no dogma. No statement towards any other idea is made. Its simply not believing the claims of deities that religions make.
However many atheists are also skeptics and rational thinkers concerning other supernatural claims.
stiimuli 1 year ago
@SilenThps "yet they still have beliefs in such things as morals, logic, values etc... even though none of those things exist in the natural world."
Once again...atheism makes no claims about these ideas. As a skeptic and rationalist I can tell you that those three things are all constructs of the human mind and often dependant on the society to which an individual belongs.
Research thus far suggests these things all developed as a function of families, tribes and societies.
stiimuli 1 year ago
@SilenThe author of the Declaration of Independence also penned "But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. " That's an inconsistent world view. Did or didn't the author of the DoI believe those rights R endowed by a Creator. I recall the original has a lot of irregular capitalization, as such any capitalization is open to interpenetration.
5lkk 7 months ago
@Evid3nc3: Extend your reasoning just ONE more step. What if our supposed "UNITY" were itself, a simulacrum? What if the quest for "unity" and "collective identity" were nothing more a desire for some sort of cosmic group identity, uniform and objective, that in reality has no more existence than the sky spirit into which so many people invest belief? What if the only real morality is that we much treat each individual AS an individual and not as a member of an arbitrary group? Keep going.
deepfriedsammich 1 year ago
I always wondered if the importance of God in the american culture came from the time of the Cold war, where people were dispaired to look the less possible like the "communist" countries. It seems that, howsome, it does. Though...the term god could stay a symbolic figure.
rolingpingu 1 year ago
This video makes it out like atheist are being persecuted or something. It may say "In God We Trust" and "One Nation Under God" but Atheist beliefs are the ones being pushed in schools, and on TV and Movies, Christianity is being pushed out. The modern world acts like believing in God is ridiculous.
DCOKB 1 year ago
@DCOKB thats because it is. and if schools push atheism then explain why my teachers (illegally) force us to pray in school.
PlzHelpwithname 1 year ago
@PlzHelpwithname Any cases I've heard of teachers telling students to pray has been met with a slew of protest and often gets dragged to court. My own experience being a Christian in school is always being bombarded by atheist teachers and students who wish to make Christians look like morons. Also my brothers and cousins are teachers and while taught in college had to endure Atheist teachers teaching that Christianity is stupid and had to give the atheist answer on opinion essays or fail.
DCOKB 1 year ago
@DCOKB "Any cases I've heard of teachers telling students to pray has been met with a slew of protest and often gets dragged to court"
as well it should be. The purpose of public school ts to educate children about the world...not to recruit them into a religion. Public school should be religion nuetral.
How would you feel if you heard your children were asked by a teacher to bow 5 times a day to Allah? You'd be appalled that teacher was pushing their religion onto students.
stiimuli 1 year ago
@DCOKB Hahahahahah! You fucking me? ;P
theclinger 1 year ago
@theclinger Dude, please stop swearing on these comments. I'd like for my kids to watch a youtube video without seeing profanity everywhere.
macaibhistin 11 months ago
This video assumes many things that are incorrect in saying that atheists are the only people who are being excluded. What about religions where the terms "in God we trust" and "under God" are incompatible such as polytheistic religions; What about religions that do not have deities; what about secularists who may be of a monotheistic faith and regardless of that do not want it on their money or pledge.
killdano 1 year ago
The use of fake money is a practice just as RELIGIOUS as any of the religions you are against.
The religion of money has corrupted all other organized religions. And killed more people than any other religion in history.
weeearthlings 1 year ago
Here's another way to think about it:
Ever since I was a child I've been forced to say the Pledge of Allegiance, which contains that crucial phrase making the entire pledge a lie.
As a lifelong Buddhist, I will not earnestly pledge allegiance to something "under god." That part trivializes the entire pledge. It has always made me consider the Pledge of Allegiance to be a sort of joke.
So wouldn't it be better to change the Pledge of Allegiance to something that I and others take seriously?
briandoom 1 year ago 65
@briandoom I don't understand why people get so riled up about this, just don't say the under God part. It's easier to just skip that part, rather than take it to court and get them to change the pledge. And I really doubt if any teacher will notice that your not saying that part, nor do I think that they will make a big deal out of it.
DCOKB 1 year ago
@briandoom I suppose I'm lucky that my family was Jehovah's Witness as a kid. My parents told us not to take the pledge of allegiance.
Then when at age 10 I dropped Christianity and became a Buddhist that carried over, and I still didn't take the pledge. Now a decade and a half later I've still never pledged my allegiance to the flag under god or to any other kind of flag.
pkemrin 1 year ago
@briandoom Given America's heritage, no. America was founded as a Christian nation. Removing references to Christianity would be like pouring water into a glass of wine. Christians see the pledge as an affirmation of their beliefs. Non-Christians are free to see it as a tribute to the American identity and past.
AlabamaSoldier 10 months ago
@AlabamaSoldier Learn your history before you go ranting on about "America's heritage." The United States of America was most certainly NOT founded on Christian beliefs, and most of the Founding Fathers weren't even Christians. (They were mostly Deists.)
lekonua 10 months ago 2
@lekonua The Founding Fathers may have been mostly Deists, but Deism was never much more than a cult in America. The overwhelming majority of Americans at the nation's founding were Christians and they wielded their political power accordingly. Do not make the mistake of attributing this entire nation's existence to fifty five men.
AlabamaSoldier 10 months ago
@briandoom Good point all the way!
LadyRyuga 9 months ago
I love this video. Well done and well deserving of first prize.
cutes22 1 year ago 2
It was an interesting video until the end and you spewed all of the politically correct crap. Apparently, you cannot abandon one bullshit idea without adopting a new bullshit idea.
pupsenok 1 year ago
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"...which stands, one ninja nation, indivisible..."
ChaoticSupernova 1 year ago
"...which stands, one ninja nation, indivisible..."
ChaoticSupernova 1 year ago
@ChaoticSupernova "... one ninja nation, invisible...
Mequellios 1 year ago
Should we get rid of the Bold Eagle as our symbol as well since some percentage of our citizens have ornithophobia (fear of birds)?
HappyLummox 1 year ago
@HappyLummox
No, but if it said "One nation of people who love birds" and 10% of the population suffered from ornithophobia, that phrase would be stupid enough and false enough to deserve removal.
The phrase "One Nation Under God" is not a symbol. It is a claim. It is a silly and false claim.
JoolsCaesar 1 year ago 3
That was such a great, great video! Don't forget, though, that "under god" also excludes those who don't worship only one god. Thanks for posting this video.
ldtaggart 1 year ago 3
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I love this video, but the facts you explain in the notes should be in the video. The video will be embedded, without the notes, and judged as such.
tyates817 1 year ago
I love this video, but the facts you explain in the notes should be in the video. The video will be embedded, without the notes, and judged as such.
tyates817 1 year ago
doesn't capitalizing the word God also exclude polytheists who don't necessarily believe in God but instead many gods and goddesses? Because doesn't God with a capital 'g' refer to those who believe in the monotheistic God?
Just curious as to why that wasn't added.
It's a great video though. I like it very much. The whole religion thing in the USA has bothered me for some time because I consider myself not really that religious.
luckysmokerings666 1 year ago
Okay lets put it this way, if you're a true Christian you believe in murder, rape, pillage, plunder, slavery, and child abuse. Most Christians haven't really sat down and read the bible.
thereverendis 1 year ago
It's interesting to see how many "timeless" notions about America we're all taught about as schoolchildren, are revealed from our more reasonable adulthood to be only the more recent in an unending train of sophistry and sloganeering.
atsdroid 1 year ago 2
Also, all the atheists bashing Christianity is quite hypocritical. Not all Christians were/are part of the KKK, support the Westboro Baptist Church, and hate gays. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most Atheists are just against Christianity instead of religion as a whole, what's up with that?
iLiekMesos 1 year ago
@iLiekMesos we are against the ideology, not the people. and well most americans are christians, when you address a specific religion you can discuss it better.
mauriciohavok 1 year ago
@iLiekMesos Not true, its just there are more christains to hear it, and they tend to make it easy to call them out
walktwisted 1 year ago
@iLiekMesos My guess is that you are misunderstanding people's views. Since the U.S. is majority Christian, atheists in the U.S. simply know more about them and have to deal with them much more often. Many atheists in the U.S. are former Christians. You'll see some atheists "stick up" for Muslim-Americans, but not because they LOVE Islam, but because they recognize the application of Christian privilege in the U.S. so they point it out.
sinmantyx 1 year ago
Yeah we should just change it into 'in Capitalism we trust'.
We all fear communism, since it's the ignorant western mindset.
The idea of communism is not evil, but when practiced it's usually corrupt.
iLiekMesos 1 year ago
(cont) . "Democracy," he explained, "is the political expression of a deeply felt religion." At the urging of the Knights of Columbus, Eisenhower added the words "Under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance. This attempt to endow the nation with sacred meaning is nothing new; it's historical antecedents stretch back to the Puritans. But the marriage of religion and politics during the Eisenhower era gave renewed impetus to the tendency to equate American goals with God's purpose.”
thegadgettechie 1 year ago
""Under God" and The Pledge of Allegiance
In the religious resurgence that followed World War II, America faced off against its former ally, the Soviet Union, in the Cold War against "godless communism." Religion became increasingly prominent in the nation's public life. As historians Paul Harvey and Philip Goff have noted, the "high priest" of America's civil religion was Dwight D. Eisenhower, former commander of the allied forces in Europe.
thegadgettechie 1 year ago
this was also highlighted in the good PBS series "God in America" when the religious (zealots) of the right came into power and projected their FUD tactics upon the american populous – (con't)
thegadgettechie 1 year ago
Video has a little old information. Non-religious are actually up to around 20%.
Liefy007 1 year ago 4
@Liefy007 It could be more than that. most of them don't admit it.
BlueLotusSC 1 year ago
This is pretty reasonable, but still promotes nationalism. Take it even further. We are unified because we are all part of the same universe.
mooktank 1 year ago
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sgapplebee 1 year ago
Beautiful video.
TheVainviktor 1 year ago 2
Hmmmm, I'd never heard that the appearance of 'In God We Trust' on our paper money was a response to rising tensions between the Soviet Union and the US. Could someone point me to a reliable web page or other document that supports this claim? The motto first appeared on our coinage in 1864 on the 2-cent piece as an attempt to give Americans hope & solace during the horrors of the Civil War. Despite my atheism my inner-numismatist is inclined to give the motto a pass.
ShagBaby 1 year ago
I like the original pledge. If I were American, I'd insist on getting to use that one instead.
SuperFantasticFox 1 year ago 2
@SuperFantasticFox We're trying :( Sadly, Not going so well...Last time I checked anyway.
TheFightingRebel 1 year ago
I wish they would do this with sports as well.
BubbaDuckling 1 year ago
@lLordwhoisamoron Apparently where you come from making statements without proof is perfectly acceptable. Name one founding document that has the word "god" in it.
shadow8pro 1 year ago
I just found several links of dollar bills dating earlier than 1950 and they all say in God we trust...what is he really trying to say? and America was founded by christians, go re-read your history about the "original" mayflower compact
B3R3T 1 year ago
@B3R3T I have a little mission for you. Go to Google and type "In god we trust wikipedia" Then click the top link and LEARN!!!
I hope you are not american and still know so little of your own country history!
mkmohr 1 year ago
@mkmohr Oh ya I forgot about wikipedia! Because every trustworthy article comes from there. Wikipedia is user based info, anyone can post anything about the subject. In fact, I am currently attending a top ten major university here in the U.S. and they forbid us using wikipedia as a source for information! So I would try to find your information elsewhere MKMOHR
B3R3T 1 year ago
@B3R3T where did you find your info B3R3T? Give me the links. I know Wikipedia is open mate! That the point of the site. But why haven't somebody put a note and link to your apparently groundbreaking information.
Do you trust United States Department of the Treasury then? try googling this:
"in god we trust U.S. Treasury". You will easily find this "IN GOD WE TRUST was first used on paper money in 1957". so I guess old Wiki got that one right.
mkmohr 1 year ago
@mkmohr Furthermore, it appeared on the first form of money in 1856! Go and read the mayflower compact, and about how america was founded by religious people trying to establish a new land. GOD is mentioned every where.
B3R3T 1 year ago
@B3R3T the Mayflower Compact has not founded the U.S. The Declaration of Independence in 1776 and United States (read U.S) Constitution in 1788 by "The Founding Fathers".
mkmohr 1 year ago
@B3R3T The Mayflower was in no sense, the foundation of the government for america, and neither is the Decleration of Independence. It is no more of a legal document than any of the current tea-party rally banners. How about looking at the Constitution, where is no mention of god. Or the Treaty of Tripoli which was unanimously voted for by a founding father, and one of the first senates which states, "... the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"
xlmeay 1 year ago
Well deserved winner. What an elegant and thought-provoking video! If only it was simple to revert the USA's identity to being all-inclusive without the threat of retaliation from those who currently enjoy additional interest in the concept of "A Christian nation". I am always disappointed in the UK to hear that we are "A Christian nation" as spoken by colleagues when even now when only 7% of the population attend church and the majority (I think it's 74%) do not believe in a personal God.
FortisConscius 1 year ago 30
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It's funny how EASILY atheist pinheads can get offended....lmao!!!
LordWhorfinX2 1 year ago
@LordWhorfinX2:
Well, atheists are certainly not above being offended. Since I can only speak for myself, I will freely admit there are plenty of things out there that I find highly offensive, but at the same time I recognize the fact that I do not have the right to not be offended.
Akatam0t0ma 1 year ago
@Akatam0t0ma at least SOMEONE around here realizes that there is no right to not be offended......it's a starting point ;)
LordWhorfinX2 1 year ago
@LordWhorfinX2 Hey... Jesus sucked my cock last night after I'd pounded his mom's ass for hours... It's hard to get off with Mary being such a slut.. Fucking all prolapsed and shit.
BTTHEBAND 1 year ago
@LordWhorfinX2 Yes, how outrageous it is to be offended by a blatant disregard for the US Constitution. Atheists should be rounded up and put in jail without trial (since the Constitution doesn't seem to matter any more).
cablepanos 1 year ago
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@cablepanos atheists are subhuman
LordWhorfinX2 1 year ago
@LordWhorfinX2 Wow! That really hurt my feelings. Especially since there was so much thought put into it.
cablepanos 1 year ago
this was englightening and simply amazing. excellent job! i never thought about the one straight nation and one white nation comparions... great job!
vivian333999 1 year ago 3
no christian terrorists? you have got to be kidding...the KKK is just one example of christian terrorists, and thats in the US...it doesnt take much research to find chistian terrorists all over the world
PhuckyMcPhuck 1 year ago 75
@PhuckyMcPhuck - actually that's correct that there are no Christian terrorists.....the groups you mention as examples like the KKK....they are not Christian at all....they believe in Christ alright, a false Christ that hates both sin and the sinner and use such a corrupted belief to justify hatred of sinners when true Christians, who follow the true Christ, follow the philosophy of hate the sin, LOVE the sinner....we believe in a Christ who shows mercy to sinners
josamen 1 year ago
@josamen Then there are no Christians - since you are defining Christian to only mean the perfect ones. Then there are also no Muslim terrorists either - because only the perfect Muslims are real Muslims.
sinmantyx 1 year ago
@sinmantyx - *sigh*....I never said we as Christians are perfect....I was just trying to point out the rather large difference between being imperfect and actually using Christian values to justify gratuitous violence.....that is rather impossible to do since the Christian faith is all about love and mercy for sinners.....people who misappropriate these values for such twisted ends are not true Christians...
josamen 1 year ago
@sinmantyx - and true Christians being those who, while not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, preach hatred of sin but love and mercy to those who commit sin, not attempting to apply such values to a corrupted philosophy of hating both the sin and the sinner
josamen 1 year ago
@josamen Christians who contend that they abhor sin, not sinners, ignore the fact that their beliefs only help to incite and inflame the justification for the hate and brutalities against LGBT's and non-believers in the minds of religious conservatives. Christians have abandoned Jesus' command to love, not to judge and help others have been rejected by the religious majority in America. The Religious Right wants to eradicate welfare, bar universal healthcare and keep gays from equal rights.
blobvision 1 year ago
@blobvision - would I go out hunting and killing gays? no.....would I deny one a job that is secular in nature (recognizing that religious institutions are allowed to be discriminatory in who they hire), such as working in a supermarket to a gay person? no.....would I defend a gay person against a brutal attack? yes.......would I join them together in holy matrimony? no.....this is because unlike the previous situations, which are associated with their basic civil liberties
josamen 1 year ago
@blobvision - (con't) marriage is not an unalienable right...it is not mentioned in the Constitution as such.....marriage is an institution given unto societies through natural law as a life-giving institution......and as such is only open to those couples whose union is naturally ordered towards producing the gift of productive new life for human society....not to mention this would set a bad precedent....people engaged in other sinful lifestyles of a sexual nature could also demand the
josamen 1 year ago
@blobvision - non-existent unalienable "right" to marriage...people like pedophiles or people into bestiality....who could make the same case LGBT's make, that they really and truly love the object of their sinful affection.....that is our only reason for opposing such...we aren't out to deprive them of their civil liberties but neither can we accept honoring with participation in the institution of marriage sexual lifestyles which are in clear violation of the natural order
josamen 1 year ago