@flexpape are you an arab ?? do you even know how to speak arabic ?? im an arab ..the english translations for the quran are all false and inaccurate ..they wer made to deceive people ...you just quoted abrogated quranic verses ..these rules have been changed..."fight thous who dont believe in allah and the day of resurrection "
@f10italia you dont beg the slaves for something ..you ORDER THEM to do it ..so these women that were taken as slaves i dont think they likes being sex slaves to the muslims ...for example the women who poisoned muhammad ..she was his slave ...why did she kill him ? because he killed her family then raped her
@HizboAllat2 The woman who poisoned Muhammad was his slave? Whatever he had slave he always freed him/her. The jew woman was never his slave dude. He was never poisoned. He put the food in his mouth and took it out saying that its poisoned. I think you need to refine your research instead of showing your less knowledge mage:)
@flexpape hahahe "free" them ??? no he SELL THEM in the slave market or trade them for weapons ! ..dont be ignorant slaves are worth alot of money...and we all know he was poisoned when he told aisha his aorta is being cutt from the poison >>i think you need to read more about islam ..your defending a pedophile who married a 6 year old child .
@HizboAllat2 Are you an idiot mate? Give me proof or carry on with your foolishness. Lol sell them... You are funny got proof? So he got poisoned 3 years before and after 3 years poison did its effect? strange poison lol. Dude he was already at death bed. He never married a 6 year old "CHILD". He married a 19 year old woman. Almost all Authentic sources confirm it. And don't try to tell me about Bukhari hadith cuz there are more hadith in bukhari that say she was more than 15
@f10italia slavery is wrong ..it shouldn't be allowed in any culture or religion ...people are not slaves...oh and btw in islam if a slave gives birth to your child ..you can sell her and keep her children to your self ....thats not rape ??? the sahaba sold slaves without their children..read about it please
HAHA so slavery in islam isnt rape??buying a woman from the market and having sex with her isnt rape ??? your such a dumb ass just shut up ..your prophet likes little children MATE !
@f10italia my friend does it make any sense to you that your gona go at war with a tribe ..kill all males and take women as CAPTIVE...then your gona tell me they are gona let you have sex with them ? so what i take her prisoner then ask her "please...can i have sex ??no ?? okay your free" thats a lie man ! a women will never allow you to keep her captive
@HizboAllat2 IN PAST women slaves were used as maids . All you are saying is just lie. Why don;'t you give me some standard proof lol. Sell them for weapons lmao..
@flexpape haha dude there is no age restriction for marriage in islam ur prophet married a 6 year old ..your just lying to your self here ..and you can also have sex with animals in islam ...>> Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: There is no prescribed punishment for one who has sexual intercourse with an animal.
Abu Dawud 38:4450
this must mean ur muhammad had sex with his sheep !! !!!
@flexpapeevery body in world now knows ur prophet is a child rapist bro ..your saying shes 15 and 19 now thats a lie ..she was 6 years old mate go read about islam and dont be like Muhammad who cant read and write
@HizboAllat2 we have done more research than you man. I cna give you atleast 10 different proofs that she was more than 17. Now wait, are you believing in Bukhari right? but hey if you believe in it then why don't you believe that Bukhari believed that he was true prophet? You defies logic. Research instead of talking. Btw, she accepted Islam in first year. So if she accepted Islam in first year of prophet hood means she accepted Islam 5 years before she got bored. Ahaha
@HizboAllat2 we have done more research than you man. I cna give you atleast 10 different proofs that she was more than 17. Now wait, are you believing in Bukhari right? but hey if you believe in it then why don't you believe that Bukhari believed that he was true prophet? You defies logic. Research instead of talking. Btw, she accepted Islam in first year. So if she accepted Islam in first year of prophet hood means she accepted Islam 5 years before she got bored. Ahaha
@flexpape you know his Arabian friends helped him write the quran and he came up with it and was inspired by other scripture ...it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out =) nice talking to you
@HizboAllat2 Nice talking to you too but what you are saying is completely ridiculous. Why should i believe you? Where is the proof? For 10 years he have no more than 50 -100 slave men and women as his followers. Only illiterate. So who helped him? So lets say he got history channel back in his home that is how he prophecized many future incidents and many scientific facts. The problem with you is, no amount of evidence is enough for skeptic. You are just hate product.
@HizboAllat2 Go on the smallest chapter of Qur'an is of 3 verses , 3 lines. Go on, make one , bring all ur helpers and make 3 line chapter better than Qur'an. If you can't then you should be ashamed of yourself. In Islam satan is not responsible for deceiving human kind. We are ourselves responsible. You are fool not to believe, you have absolutely no Reason not to believe, except listening to some islam o phobes.
@flexpape dude im sorry but i think its stupid to believe god speaks arabic and sits his ass on a throne and highers humans like muhammad as mail men to deliver his letter for him ...you realise this is insane and the person in this video is just showing you his lying skills >>hes not being honest ...just liek all muslims ...your allowed to lie and deceive in islam to spread your religion ...so its all lies
@flexpape dude the quran allowes rape in many verses ...if you want them i can give them to you ..just send me a msg to my inbox ..not one or two verses theres like 3 >>real sexual rape
@HizboAllat2 I have met people who abused my religion more than you and then they converted to Islam. My best friends. Try to look with inner eye dude, if you have one. Don't act like deaf, dumb or blind. To be is to your religion, to be is our.
@flexpape are you using abrogated quranic verses ? =)
im an Ex- muslim ..i been a muslim all my life...i think its very demonic and evil ..all Abrahamic religions are ...i think the zoroastrian religion beats islam..and Buddhism also ..not that i believe in them i dont have a religion but if u compare islam to thous religions you will see which is better
@flexpape are you using abrogated quranic verses ? =)
im an Ex- muslim ..i been a muslim all my life...i think its very demonic and evil ..all Abrahamic religions are ..and it doesnt make sense that god sent down multiple religions then they all failed then ONE survived ..does god fail ? do his words change ? you believe the quran is the word of god it cant be changed but at the same time u believe the bible was ????
In our view the man who rapes a woman, regardless of whether she is a virgin or not, if she is a free woman he must pay a "dowry" like that of her peers, and if she is a slave he must pay whatever has been detracted from her value. The punishment is to be carried out on the rapist and there is no punishment for the woman who has been raped, whatever the case. (Imam Maalik, Al-Muwatta', Volume 2, page 734)
@HizboAllat2 "If a man acquires by force a slave-girl, then has sexual intercourse with her after he acquires her by force, he is required to pay the fine, and he will receive the punishment for illegal sexual intercourse." (Imam Al Shaafi'i, Kitaabul Umm, Volume 3, page 253)
Islam obviously hates women so much that we are commanded to show 300% more respect to our mothers than our fathers.
I've been raised to respect everyone, women or men alike. My father is a strict Muslim, yet he has never laid a finger on my mother. In fact, my aunt used to get beaten by her ex-husband. He was hardly a Muslim by all accounts - he was a fucking alcoholic. Good think my dad punched his face in when he found out.
But staying on topic, rape = death penalty in Islam. Enough said.
@focusontheargument prove what ?? islam allowed zoophillia ??? here you go ASSHOLE ((Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: There is no prescribed punishment for one who has sexual intercourse with an animal.
Abu Dawud 38:4450 )) do you practice this as well ?? cause ur prophet did
more lies ..in the quran it says if your wife doesn't sleep with you BEAT HER..thats not rape ????
and i love how you forgot to mention how ur prophet kidnapped women at wars and ordered his followers to have sex with them then sold them in the slave market ..thats not rape ??? damn dude ...your a good liar and deceiver ill give you that !
@XxxAbdoAllatxxX Hello Abdo Allat. Not that the religion and followers of Allat are the epitome of human rights, but ok :) Quran doesnt state that if a wife doenst sleep with her husband, she should be beaten/ Secondly, ur anecdote about a raping and robbing prophet, is from the hadiths. Hadiths are unreliable to say the least, and are invalid as proof. They are not historical, but theological sources. Its like u as an atheist use the bible to make a point. Ur an IDIOT :) have a nice day!
@focusontheargument then show me a verse where it tells you how to prey from the quran ...u cant your forced to rely on the hadith FOOL .. just admit it ..islam is a bunch of bull crap...all the hadiths and all of the quran...piles of crap ....its much easier than lying and trying to defend a pedophile rapist murderer slave trader and his fake pagan religion
@XxxAbdoAllatxxX How to pray hahahahaha u sound like a real SUNNI! The quran clearly explains prayer, but just like u wont find meat at the bakers, u wont find sunni prayer in the quran. U stupid imbecile shithead fool. So there u go. Fuck u and fuck ur idiot reasoning. U have nothing to do with the Enlightenment or rationalism, ur a frustrated imbecile, and ur reasoning is just as theological as before, except u thrown out religion and kept irrational reasoning. So fuck uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
@focusontheargument dude u can be as filthy as u like its still not gona change the fact that necrophilia and zoophillia are allowed in islam dumb ass
@XxxAbdoAllatxxX Dude, ur being filthy here, u know ur arguments have no basis to stand on whatsoever. Necrophilia and zoophilia are not allowed in any sect of islam, prove it. Stupid fuckwit.
my mother always told me to treat women with respect and im muslim and most people say that islam hates women when most of them only like them for sex
@dickknows . Dude just give me one good reason, thousands perhaps more muslim women in hijab were raped all over the world so far why allah couldn prevent it ? :-/
Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)
Islam in fact promotes rape in many ways. Some of them are listed here.
a. A woman reporting rape has to get 4 male witnesses. What will happen if all the witness also raped her or she was alone. So Islam gives a free hand for raping women.
b. Islam allows polygamy, Male has all the rights to kick good bye the old wife, and buy new wife and rape her as long as he pleases.
c. Islamic countries allows Muslim tribes to get revenge by raping women of rival tribe. Thats is how they settle score
Your parents taught you correctly. However, their failure to teach you to treat women as inferior was due to their courage and attention to real nature. In spite of the teachings of the Koran, women have as much soul as men.
As for the text you quote that the testimony of a woman alone against her rapist is sufficient to condemn him to death, is this law in practice anywhere?
@keylawk Quran [3:195] Their Lord responded to them: "I never fail to reward any worker among you for any work you do, be you male or female - you are equal to one another."
I'm a Qatari girl and muslim . now I'm talking as as a muslim female .
Men in my country Whatever be my father my brother, my colleague at work or any man walking in the street treat Women as Princesses . I'm freaking proud of my religion and nationality as Qatari . do you know why ?
Because arabic muslim men believe One hand does not clap in arabic muslim society spichely my society . by the way as muslem arabic girl i have my full rights without discussion.
@MsLumos85 Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)
Read the news: Pakistanis and Muslim Immigrants have started wave of rape in Sweden, Norway, UK, Australia. Why there are no such stories about Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhist immigrants ? They also face same problems which muslims do.
so agree with you Sami, and no, I see women in my country ( Qatar) really happy, inside my house and out side my house ,and by wearing the hjab they protect they're pride, and our women get they're full education and both have the right to get good jobs and some women even get a high position in they're jobs and we don't see that in US or UK .
I just don't get it, they treat they're women like they're sex toys and we see that in your movies
@alkuwari1993 U have not even the SLIGHTEST idea about the position of women in the western world. UR women are sextoys, not western women. Western women are emancipated, have same rights as men, control their own lives and sexuality, and are more productive than many muslim men. U must know that the less rights a women has, the more the chance that she is exploitable (sexually/economically). Does that ring a bell? Ur an idiot. Western women in the movies, are fiction. Read on Enlightenment!
If a women need 4 male witnesses to testify in favour of her court-case in order to be trusted, then what else is that but to condone rape? Not to mention when under the circumstance that the only male person(s) likely to be nearby happen to be the rapist(s).
Here, in the Netherlands a famous moviemaker was butchered by a muslim. Later the muslim said he had to do it by the Quran. That was a shock over here.
So some scientist studied the quran.
They quantified the text.
For example, hate against jews was 16 % in the quran, while in Mein Kampf of Hitler it is 'only' 8 %.
@koertje Theo Van Gogh got it coming to him, and even so it was just a single act that wasn't condoned by the general Muslim community. That being said, however, I am not sad that he is gone. And you might want to show proof on who are those so-called "scientists" who studied the texts and quantified it. Did you pull that out of your arse?
@menj1980 ok so you say it wasn't condoned by the general Muslim community, but anymway you like it that he is murdered. That sounds a bit strange to me.
It is the same that we heared here often from muslims and looks to me that that is a reason they are getting more and more in the corner lately.
"Not condoned by the muslims' , arent that empty words then?
So easy to say, but........
is that the famous takyia? sorry, i dont know if I spell it right.
@koertje I wouldn't want to wish for anyone to be murdered but in Theo Van Gogh's case, I am making an exception in my personal capacity. No need to make up your foolish stories about "takiya" (no idea what that is, a Japanese car?), this has nothing to do with religion.
i don't care what the islamic text says if the things in it are not put into practice 100% of the time. the fact is, women are stoned and put in prison for being raped . it happens! muslim or non-muslim, you can't deny that. i'm not saying islamic text supports that practice, but it happens in the name of islam and that's what pat condell was talking about.
@AnimePhreak786 No proof? These events didn't happen? When we see video tape of some fanatic shouting "Allahu akbar!" before he saws someone's head off, that's not real? These things don't happen? Are you serious? Blame Islam? The people committing these atrocities tell us they are doing it in the name of Islam. You should repudiate them, not me for simply noting what they do.
@AnimePhreak786 Muslims kill non-believers all the time. Again, my position is not that Islam is or has to be like this, only that it is often enough to make it a matter of concern for non-Muslims and a matter of scandal for Muslims. 9/11 was an example of Muslim murder of non-Muslims, and the presence of a few Muslims doesn't change that. It's by no means hard to find examples of Muslims killing other Muslims. The attacks in Mumbai in 2008 is another example out of thousands.
@AnimePhreak786 You're a profoundly unreasonable person whose stock-in-trade is denial. I never said "Muslims are Nazis." I refer to the researchable fact that you can find plenty of cartoons in the Muslim world that use the same imagery that Nazis used. A reasonable person might say, "That's true, but this by no means represents universal opinion" or some such thing. You don't even bother.
@AnimePhreak786 "Non-Muslims are treated better in Islamic lands than Muslims in non-Islamic lands. I can give plenty of examples" Tell it to the Copts. Tell it to the south Sudanese. Tell it to Ethiopian Christians. Heck, tell it to the Amadhis, who are killed for being insufficiently Muslim.
@AnimePhreak786 As per usual, you don't respond by taking a position on the facts but rather on the political correctness of my position. It's offensive for me to point out that Muslims actually going around killing non-believers, but they do. All over the place. If you take a little effort you can easily find examples of cartoons and other anti-Jewish propaganda from Muslim countries.
@AnimePhreak786 Please cite the actual comment so that we can see whether you're reporting it accurately. There certainly is a great deal of barbarism in the Muslim world. That doesn't mean Muslims are barbaric as a rule. "That was just an example" — yes you dope, it's an example of something I never said! You haven't refuted any of my arguments. I criticize actual inhuman things that Muslims do in the name of Islam. I do not say that all Muslims do such things.
@AnimePhreak786 Really? To what extend is there anti-Semitism (let's not debate the term) in the Muslim world? Have you ever seriously studied the question? I agree that Islam is not a racist religion — it's open to all. Of course that doesn't prevent Yemenis despising black Africans. In fact, there is a proliferation of anti-Jewish propaganda in the Muslim world that is rivaled only by that of the Nazis. Your denial of this and other faults doesn't change the reality.
@AnimePhreak786 What's going on here is you are offended that I dare criticize any aspect of Islam or Muslims' behavior. You don't get beyond that to recognize the merits of my carefully measured statements. At the same time, you have no hesitation to criticize my race and what you perceive as my culture in the most reckless way, with the broadest and most uncharitable generalization. This is hypocrisy and special pleading.
@AnimePhreak786 What ignorance? I've made reference to pretty well known historical events that your earlier comments ruled out. To you "ignorance" appears to mean disagreeing with you. I'm not hostile to Muslims by any means; I am hostile to interpretations of Islam that are hostile to non-Muslims. I don't see only negativity. The culture of Islam used to be superior to the culture of the West in many ways. I wish Muslims would focus on recapturing genuine greatness in a way we can all share.
@AnimePhreak786 This is what I mean by lack of attention to what I've actually said. Nothing I've said could be interpreted as advocating "Kill all Muslims" or all Muslims are barbarians. Are you serious about not expressing any hostility. Who are "my people" anyway? My historical citations have been sound and you have certainly not refuted anything I said. Listen, I sense that I'd like you in person, so I'll say no more. Peace.
@AnimePhreak786 Sharia makes legal distinctions between Muslims and non-Muslims. Non-Muslims are typically under serious disadvantages in majority Muslim countries. Consider the Copts in Egypt. Anti-Semitism of the ripest kinds if rife in the Muslim world. There's plenty of racism in the Muslim world, as well as other kinds of discrimination. For example, Yemeni Arabs look at black Somalis with contempt on racial grounds.
@AnimePhreak786 Your standards of "proof" are not very rigorous. You see someone with a threatening point of view and you respond with hostility rather than a reasoned consideration of their position. You assume rather than interrogate, you are careless about what is said and take no trouble to carefully examine whether it might have any merit. Your playing the "race card" says more about your own insecurities than "my" culture.
@AnimePhreak786 You misinterpreted my valid criticism as being motivated by racism. You have adduced no evidence to show this, because there isn't any. You just "knew" I was a racist. And then you proceeded to say astonishing things about the unique evil of white people. This latest post is an improvement, but you have already demonstrated reflexive racism toward white people.
@AnimePhreak786 Yes, I know the formula: anything black people have done can somehow be made to be whiteys fault. I guess we are to believe that there were never tribal wars in Africa before the colonial period. Making people of a given race the source of evil in the world is most definitely a racist position. I see you don't actually refute what I say about subordination of non-Muslims; you just express your disagreement.
I love how he uses the very same argument after having dismissed a similar argument. First he says that Dawkings not debating highly religious people is wrong. Then he uses the very same argument that Dawkings is using and says how someone isn't even worth debating as they aren't 'intellectual' enough. You see dear Sami, that is exactly the point Dawkings does not want to debate these people. There too deluded to even understand what a good argument is.
@AnimePhreak786 Stop blaming white people for your own shortcomings and unhappiness. And when I say "your" I mean you personally because, unlike you, I don't assume things about people based on their race. As for a "peaceful religion," it's a fact that there are many people who interpret Islamic texts as authorizing the persecution and murder of non-believers. You can legitimately argue that Islam need not be that way, but there's no denying that it often has been and often is.
@AnimePhreak786 You're not "quoting" history, your appealing to a crackpot misinterpretation of history that flatters your biases and psychological problems. Man's in humanity to man is universal. Tell me: what happened in Rwanda? Also, you're moving the goal posts. You took the position that non-white people don't "colonize." Have you never heard of the Chinese dynasties, of the Inca and Aztec empires, just to name a couple? You're a genuine racist who fuels hatred with unhistorical nonsense.
@AnimePhreak786 This may be the most moronic comment I've seen here so far, to say nothing of its unashamed offensiveness. What does one say to such profound ignorance? Do you really believe there have never been wars of conquest by non-white people? A mind is a terrible thing to waste. As for Islam. I have no problem with people believing what they want, and I'm sure Islam has made many individuals better people. Unfortunately, Islam also inspires much violence and persecution.
You and PAt don't get he point. The Middle East supports rape. They just happen to be Musslim (not that relgion helps). The true eavil is the exstreamist culture. i.e The middle east
@KaranfiLL88 Hey look I know a few soldeirs have done something terrible, but you cant tell me that the law systm in the middle east does not help men get away with rape. Lets say you get rapped by a woman you can bassically win trial jsut by saying that. Lets say you are a woman that gets rapped by a man. He will win if you bring the case up because it's your word against his. You might even charged for adultry.
@KaranfiLL88 Not all cultures are eaqull. For example, Nazi Germany was not eaqul to the UK during WW2. I am not biggot if a country of whites Asians or any race treated wemon this way i would be against that country. For example I was highly against South Africa when they had Apparti in effect. Macking the country rulled by white males.
@aab43214 Thank you I read the article and I know this case but it was't written as its really is . To be honest I think that the rapists should be killed but they did not sent them to death and I don't know why .
The woman ( who was married ) was punished 90 slashes because she was with another guy . The rapists saw them together and kidnapped them and they raped them both :(
Regardless of the court decision and was it right or wrong ... it wasn't the punishment for speaking out
Pat CUNTdell is nothing more than hateful bigoted racist Islamophobic old fart who's trying to make a name for himself by attacking Muslims because he can get away with it, sadly, this sick minded old fuck is creating more sick minded idiots like him, if you ever talk to a pat CUNTdell fanboy you know what I'm talking about, they're the most hateful and disgusting vile filth you'll ever see.
I didn't attack "atheists" I attacked racist bigoted Pat Condell, and I see why you removed your comment, it didn't make ANY sense but that's what happens when you can't come up with something and resort to copy/paste my comments.
@iCitiz3nP0vv3R2 I didn't copy paste your comment, I showed you your mirror image. Dastardly, isn't it? It's people like you who confirm to me that Pat is right because he never attacked anybody in his videos (except for Osama, who really deserved it).
What about the hate preaching, violence spreading islamists? Do you stand up aginst them as well?
Calling somebody racist because they don't like what islam does is just too easy. I guess you can't do better than that.
iCUNTitiz3nP0vv3R2 is nothing more than a hateful bigoted racist westernphobic old fart who's trying to make a name for himself by attacking atheists because he can get away with it, sadly, this sick minded old fuck is creating more sick minded idiots like him, if you ever talk to a iCUNTitiz3nP0vv3R2 fanboy you know what I'm talking about, they're the most hateful and disgusting vile filth you'll ever see.
He hasn't been in any Muslim household. His mind is up his bum. if you keep getting caught up in what he says, or beings like him, you will grow into him. That which I resist - persists! Mohammad was a King, pat condell is a little player in a litter game. The prophet did not Live in conditions where up to 44% of the reported rape cases provably fraudulent. FBI Statistics.
"They perform (their) vows, and they fear a Day Whose evil flies far and wide. And they feed, for the love of Allah, the indigent, the orphan, and the captive -- (Saying), 'We feed you For the sake of Allah alone: No reward do we desire from you, nor thanks.' (The Noble Quran, 76:7-9)"
Quran the truth is there for all genuine people to ponder on megiddon your not one of them thats for sure.
My parents told me to respect women and as the quran teaches the parents including your mother needs to be respected above all..more than i can say about how i have seen some westerners respect women..talking about women as if they are meat and only sexual toys,women paraded on telivison sexually constantly to sell all kinds of products,also funny how in democracy in the west though so civilised rape has only increased throughout the years? thats not me go and google the rape rate..wake up
"..more than i can say about how i have seen some westerners respect women..talking about women as if they are meat.."
Well, I could talk about how muslim teachers talk about uncovered women as meat and how it it their fault if they are raped, what do you have to say about that, right on topic, and a point that Sami chooses to ignore as he makes his 70 excuses for his fellow muslims.
@Megiddon "Well, I could talk about how muslim teachers talk about uncovered women as meat and how it it their fault if they are raped," Im not here to clear up what you have heard SOME muslims talking about..we are talking about islam that comes form the quran..if we go onto what random people say wether muyslim or not..i think we will be here all day..its ilogical.
Islam is what is being taught, and if imams teach that women who do not cover are "servants or whores" as ibn Kathir (random person) would put it then that must be cleared up otherwise people might start to think Islam condones rape!
@Megiddon "servants or whores" first of all if i start to mention the endless type of monkey buisness being taught in teh world again we will be here all day..this way of thinking is ilogical..there are certain types of muslims who teach that a guy sitting in france is to be worshipped you might bring that to me..but that isnt what is beleived in teh main stream..so i suggest you deal with islam and not hearsay.
"(That will be better that they should be known so as not to be annoyed. ) means, if they do that, it will be known that they are free, and that they are not servants or whores."
This is the translation from the website Theholybookorg.
I think it is important to acknowledge how Islam is being taught, how it is being interpreted and the implications that has. You cannot just say those individuals, imams, countries are misguided.
@Megiddon Also let us not skip comments onto millions of subjects you stated that ibn Kathir r.a stated that women are - "servents or whores" i doubt this very much as its clear where ever you got this from cant even make yup thier mind which it is? as i said the source please? accusations are empty..and proof of ilogical behaviour.
If you consider the deeds of the prophet to be worth emulating, then Islam propmites both rape (Safiya) and Statutory Rape (Aisha). By definition, Muhammed was a rapist.
I just wanted to express my distress, no disgust at all the Muslim bashing going on in the US at present! I am a follower of Christ who cannot stand all the "Christianist" rhetoric being engaged in! I was blessed to have grow up, right next to a vibrant community of practicing "Sufis" in a small town in Northern California!
Having been exposed to the likes of "Rumi" or "Hafiz" from a young age, this unwarranted demonization sickens me!
yes great, you have ran the "racist" card now your running the "bigot" card....1st claim, if a boy is raised with the koran as a guide he will grow up thinking woman r inferior...the more a Muslim is indifferent to this the more western he is, the point is Islam is intolerant, bigoted and apocalyptically murderess a times not all Muslims are..
@lyntonio wtf are you on about you looney idiot? Must be a member of Stop the islamification of muslims in europe. You sound like a miniture version of Pameller geller that frikken loon. Wake up Quran promotes equity and elevates a womens worth you moron.
@Unity4allhumans so "Love spreads love and hate spreads hate. " r words on your channel, these r the words on the above comment "looney idiot?" "frikken loon" "you moron" as th black eye peas song goes "where is the love"...no the koran does not elevate woman or equality
Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers. (2:98)
“Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. (9:123)
“Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you may dislike it. (2:216)
“Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. (9:123)
“Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you may dislike it. (2:216)
“The unbelievers are your inveterate foe. (4:101)
“Idolatry is more grievous than bloodshed. (2:192)
“Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah’s religion reigns supreme. (2:193) Some are true believers, but most of them are evil-doers. (3:111)
@Unity4allhumans bn Abbas reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: I had a chance to look into the Paradise and I found that majority of the people was poor and I looked into the Fire and there I found the majority constituted by women.
The Quran does not promote equality between men and women. It makes men the protectors of women, it makes it clear that women are subservient to men. Islam believes women cannot be seen as anything other than sex objects by men outside the family.
" Wake up Quran promotes equity and elevates a womens worth ..."
You've said this before, what do you mean by that?
@Megiddon You have got a twisted perception. You consider protection and modesty as a negative. When the only culture that sexualises females is the western one.
Western society believes that women should be allowed to show their beauty without being molested or abused. Islam does treat women as sex objects and demands that they cover themselves.
@Megiddon islam treats women like sex objects, lol, yeah, thats why the porn industry and all these things were made in the invest, your a deluded person.
You backtracking Sami? When you commented earlier you kept saying women were objects of sexual desire!
What relevance has the porn industry got to do with this? Islam treats women as sex objects just as much as the porn industry, the only difference is the approach and amount of clothing.
@Megiddon the porn industry uses women as sexual objects, and your the one babbling here about how Islam supposedly treats women like sex objects while the west doesn't, so your just talking plain crap.
Yes, the porn industry, like Islam, treats women as sex objects. I never claimed that women cannot be portrayed as sex objects in the west, just that they have the right to wear what they like without being treated as sex objects, even porn stars when they are not working have that right.
@Megiddon thanks for once again showing how little you know about Islam, according to the Quran, the testimony of the husband is NOT ENOUGH, if the wife denies his claim, then her testimony will be accepted, and not his. here is the verse, contd.
Why were you unable to disprove me when I showed you that Islam believes that women can not be viewed as anything other than sex objects by men outside the family?
@Megiddon "Islam believes that women can not be viewed as anything other than sex objects by men outside the family?" "And for women are rights over men similar to those of men over women. (2:226)"
@Megiddon "2:226?" sorry i was meant to put down 2:228 that shows that men and women indeed are equal in kindness to eachother. if they were just pieces of meat in the eyes of muslims then why would anything like kindness be taught!? this goes against the view of barbarisem that is being spread..
YUSUFALI: Divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods. Nor is it lawful for them to hide what Allah Hath created in their wombs, if they have faith in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but me,...?
@Megiddon "but me?" in the end if you are clear with your question you shall get a clear answer..what are you asking here? "but me?" what about you? ask the question and you shall get the answer..
but me ... n have a degree (of advantage) over them. And Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
You cited a verse from the quran, supposedly claiming that women were equal to men. but the verse continues and says men, well you can read and the verse is completed above.
You went on to say that " if they were just pieces of meat in the eyes of muslims then why would anything like kindness be taught!?" but the verse relates to muslim women who cover not kuffar who don't.
@Megiddon You dont seem to understand the big picture? instead your concentrating on words that you have taken incorrectley...the verse does state that men and women are equal in "kindness" if they were meat..that would not be the case..big picture logically states your version of events or opnion is incorrect..second you talk of kaffiroon as if we have one rule for ourselves and another for non beleivers? indeed while that may be the case in certain matters..
@Megiddon "For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in charity, for men and women who fast, for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah's praise, for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward. (33:35)"
@Megiddon "Great, so that is for Muslims who submit to allah, what about those who don't?" ?? im confused what is that supposed to mean? do you mean if muslims rape women who are non muslim? Rape itself is a sin just as murder the Quran forbids muslims to kill any innocent JUST as it forbids to rape anyone..if you are stating otherwise i would like to see such a verse for truly that would be a first.
@Megiddon "Where was the Quran to debunk me then?" To disprove something it must first be proved..please do show where it states in the quran that women are only sexual objects to men outside of there famalies?
@IIprotecttheinnocent thank you very much, this guy is talking nonsense and making things up, then he says DISPROVE IT WHERE IS IT WHERE WHERE WHERE WHERE IS THE DEBUNKING!!!!!!!!
@SamiZaatari Indeed brother and understandable why it is so fustrating..but this is the test upon us..continue..for it is all we can do till the times of justice come..and the truth is plain for all to see..we shall continue to point out the obvious and they shall continue to deny the blatent..and accuse without thought or proof..May Allah s.w.t give us the strength to continue.
@flexpape are you an arab ?? do you even know how to speak arabic ?? im an arab ..the english translations for the quran are all false and inaccurate ..they wer made to deceive people ...you just quoted abrogated quranic verses ..these rules have been changed..."fight thous who dont believe in allah and the day of resurrection "
HizboAllat2 2 days ago
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In Pakistan, Men wish they are women lol because of so much power and blessings given to women by Islam :)
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@f10italia you dont beg the slaves for something ..you ORDER THEM to do it ..so these women that were taken as slaves i dont think they likes being sex slaves to the muslims ...for example the women who poisoned muhammad ..she was his slave ...why did she kill him ? because he killed her family then raped her
HizboAllat2 4 days ago
@HizboAllat2 The woman who poisoned Muhammad was his slave? Whatever he had slave he always freed him/her. The jew woman was never his slave dude. He was never poisoned. He put the food in his mouth and took it out saying that its poisoned. I think you need to refine your research instead of showing your less knowledge mage:)
flexpape 3 days ago
@flexpape hahahe "free" them ??? no he SELL THEM in the slave market or trade them for weapons ! ..dont be ignorant slaves are worth alot of money...and we all know he was poisoned when he told aisha his aorta is being cutt from the poison >>i think you need to read more about islam ..your defending a pedophile who married a 6 year old child .
HizboAllat2 3 days ago
@HizboAllat2 Are you an idiot mate? Give me proof or carry on with your foolishness. Lol sell them... You are funny got proof? So he got poisoned 3 years before and after 3 years poison did its effect? strange poison lol. Dude he was already at death bed. He never married a 6 year old "CHILD". He married a 19 year old woman. Almost all Authentic sources confirm it. And don't try to tell me about Bukhari hadith cuz there are more hadith in bukhari that say she was more than 15
flexpape 3 days ago
@f10italia slavery is wrong ..it shouldn't be allowed in any culture or religion ...people are not slaves...oh and btw in islam if a slave gives birth to your child ..you can sell her and keep her children to your self ....thats not rape ??? the sahaba sold slaves without their children..read about it please
HizboAllat2 4 days ago
HAHA so slavery in islam isnt rape??buying a woman from the market and having sex with her isnt rape ??? your such a dumb ass just shut up ..your prophet likes little children MATE !
HizboAllat2 4 days ago
@HizboAllat2 Wrong. dawn.com/2012/02/17/of-aishas-age-at-marriage.html
And you clearly haven't watched the video. There is nothing in Islam which allows forced sex.
f10italia 4 days ago
@f10italia my friend does it make any sense to you that your gona go at war with a tribe ..kill all males and take women as CAPTIVE...then your gona tell me they are gona let you have sex with them ? so what i take her prisoner then ask her "please...can i have sex ??no ?? okay your free" thats a lie man ! a women will never allow you to keep her captive
HizboAllat2 4 days ago
@HizboAllat2 IN PAST women slaves were used as maids . All you are saying is just lie. Why don;'t you give me some standard proof lol. Sell them for weapons lmao..
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HizboAllat2 3 days ago
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@flexpape haha dude there is no age restriction for marriage in islam ur prophet married a 6 year old ..your just lying to your self here ..and you can also have sex with animals in islam ...>> Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: There is no prescribed punishment for one who has sexual intercourse with an animal.
Abu Dawud 38:4450
this must mean ur muhammad had sex with his sheep !! !!!
HizboAllat2 3 days ago
@flexpapeevery body in world now knows ur prophet is a child rapist bro ..your saying shes 15 and 19 now thats a lie ..she was 6 years old mate go read about islam and dont be like Muhammad who cant read and write
HizboAllat2 3 days ago
@HizboAllat2 we have done more research than you man. I cna give you atleast 10 different proofs that she was more than 17. Now wait, are you believing in Bukhari right? but hey if you believe in it then why don't you believe that Bukhari believed that he was true prophet? You defies logic. Research instead of talking. Btw, she accepted Islam in first year. So if she accepted Islam in first year of prophet hood means she accepted Islam 5 years before she got bored. Ahaha
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@HizboAllat2 we have done more research than you man. I cna give you atleast 10 different proofs that she was more than 17. Now wait, are you believing in Bukhari right? but hey if you believe in it then why don't you believe that Bukhari believed that he was true prophet? You defies logic. Research instead of talking. Btw, she accepted Islam in first year. So if she accepted Islam in first year of prophet hood means she accepted Islam 5 years before she got bored. Ahaha
flexpape 3 days ago
@HizboAllat2 yOU Are right, he was illiterate but he wrote a book which defeats whole world literature lolx
flexpape 3 days ago
@flexpape you know his Arabian friends helped him write the quran and he came up with it and was inspired by other scripture ...it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out =) nice talking to you
HizboAllat2 3 days ago
@HizboAllat2 Nice talking to you too but what you are saying is completely ridiculous. Why should i believe you? Where is the proof? For 10 years he have no more than 50 -100 slave men and women as his followers. Only illiterate. So who helped him? So lets say he got history channel back in his home that is how he prophecized many future incidents and many scientific facts. The problem with you is, no amount of evidence is enough for skeptic. You are just hate product.
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@HizboAllat2 Go on the smallest chapter of Qur'an is of 3 verses , 3 lines. Go on, make one , bring all ur helpers and make 3 line chapter better than Qur'an. If you can't then you should be ashamed of yourself. In Islam satan is not responsible for deceiving human kind. We are ourselves responsible. You are fool not to believe, you have absolutely no Reason not to believe, except listening to some islam o phobes.
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@flexpape dude im sorry but i think its stupid to believe god speaks arabic and sits his ass on a throne and highers humans like muhammad as mail men to deliver his letter for him ...you realise this is insane and the person in this video is just showing you his lying skills >>hes not being honest ...just liek all muslims ...your allowed to lie and deceive in islam to spread your religion ...so its all lies
HizboAllat2 2 days ago
@flexpape dude the quran allowes rape in many verses ...if you want them i can give them to you ..just send me a msg to my inbox ..not one or two verses theres like 3 >>real sexual rape
HizboAllat2 2 days ago
@HizboAllat2 I have met people who abused my religion more than you and then they converted to Islam. My best friends. Try to look with inner eye dude, if you have one. Don't act like deaf, dumb or blind. To be is to your religion, to be is our.
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@flexpape are you using abrogated quranic verses ? =)
im an Ex- muslim ..i been a muslim all my life...i think its very demonic and evil ..all Abrahamic religions are ...i think the zoroastrian religion beats islam..and Buddhism also ..not that i believe in them i dont have a religion but if u compare islam to thous religions you will see which is better
HizboAllat2 2 days ago
@flexpape are you using abrogated quranic verses ? =)
im an Ex- muslim ..i been a muslim all my life...i think its very demonic and evil ..all Abrahamic religions are ..and it doesnt make sense that god sent down multiple religions then they all failed then ONE survived ..does god fail ? do his words change ? you believe the quran is the word of god it cant be changed but at the same time u believe the bible was ????
HizboAllat2 2 days ago
@HizboAllat2
In our view the man who rapes a woman, regardless of whether she is a virgin or not, if she is a free woman he must pay a "dowry" like that of her peers, and if she is a slave he must pay whatever has been detracted from her value. The punishment is to be carried out on the rapist and there is no punishment for the woman who has been raped, whatever the case. (Imam Maalik, Al-Muwatta', Volume 2, page 734)
f10italia 4 days ago
@HizboAllat2 "If a man acquires by force a slave-girl, then has sexual intercourse with her after he acquires her by force, he is required to pay the fine, and he will receive the punishment for illegal sexual intercourse." (Imam Al Shaafi'i, Kitaabul Umm, Volume 3, page 253)
Which as you know, is death.
f10italia 4 days ago
Islam obviously hates women so much that we are commanded to show 300% more respect to our mothers than our fathers.
I've been raised to respect everyone, women or men alike. My father is a strict Muslim, yet he has never laid a finger on my mother. In fact, my aunt used to get beaten by her ex-husband. He was hardly a Muslim by all accounts - he was a fucking alcoholic. Good think my dad punched his face in when he found out.
But staying on topic, rape = death penalty in Islam. Enough said.
f10italia 5 days ago
Islam allows the rape of non believers. Mohammed even told his followers to rape captive women in front of their husbands
ninjascroll6789 2 weeks ago
@focusontheargument prove what ?? islam allowed zoophillia ??? here you go ASSHOLE ((Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: There is no prescribed punishment for one who has sexual intercourse with an animal.
Abu Dawud 38:4450 )) do you practice this as well ?? cause ur prophet did
XxxAbdoAllatxxX 1 month ago
Very nice video again :) I congratulate and salute u!
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more lies ..in the quran it says if your wife doesn't sleep with you BEAT HER..thats not rape ????
and i love how you forgot to mention how ur prophet kidnapped women at wars and ordered his followers to have sex with them then sold them in the slave market ..thats not rape ??? damn dude ...your a good liar and deceiver ill give you that !
XxxAbdoAllatxxX 1 month ago 2
@XxxAbdoAllatxxX Hello Abdo Allat. Not that the religion and followers of Allat are the epitome of human rights, but ok :) Quran doesnt state that if a wife doenst sleep with her husband, she should be beaten/ Secondly, ur anecdote about a raping and robbing prophet, is from the hadiths. Hadiths are unreliable to say the least, and are invalid as proof. They are not historical, but theological sources. Its like u as an atheist use the bible to make a point. Ur an IDIOT :) have a nice day!
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@focusontheargument then show me a verse where it tells you how to prey from the quran ...u cant your forced to rely on the hadith FOOL .. just admit it ..islam is a bunch of bull crap...all the hadiths and all of the quran...piles of crap ....its much easier than lying and trying to defend a pedophile rapist murderer slave trader and his fake pagan religion
XxxAbdoAllatxxX 1 month ago
@XxxAbdoAllatxxX How to pray hahahahaha u sound like a real SUNNI! The quran clearly explains prayer, but just like u wont find meat at the bakers, u wont find sunni prayer in the quran. U stupid imbecile shithead fool. So there u go. Fuck u and fuck ur idiot reasoning. U have nothing to do with the Enlightenment or rationalism, ur a frustrated imbecile, and ur reasoning is just as theological as before, except u thrown out religion and kept irrational reasoning. So fuck uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
focusontheargument 1 month ago
@focusontheargument dude u can be as filthy as u like its still not gona change the fact that necrophilia and zoophillia are allowed in islam dumb ass
XxxAbdoAllatxxX 1 month ago
@XxxAbdoAllatxxX Dude, ur being filthy here, u know ur arguments have no basis to stand on whatsoever. Necrophilia and zoophilia are not allowed in any sect of islam, prove it. Stupid fuckwit.
focusontheargument 1 month ago
Pat Condell pisses all over you mate..face the truth ..its you extremists that are blowing people up in the world..You Liar!!!
3550100 2 months ago
@3550100 Indeed. And the biggest extremists who have control over billions of dollars of military industries do not live in the middle east.
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my mother always told me to treat women with respect and im muslim and most people say that islam hates women when most of them only like them for sex
slytman85 3 months ago
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@dickknows . Dude just give me one good reason, thousands perhaps more muslim women in hijab were raped all over the world so far why allah couldn prevent it ? :-/
zakirgonal7 4 months ago
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Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)
dickknows 4 months ago
Islam in fact promotes rape in many ways. Some of them are listed here.
a. A woman reporting rape has to get 4 male witnesses. What will happen if all the witness also raped her or she was alone. So Islam gives a free hand for raping women.
b. Islam allows polygamy, Male has all the rights to kick good bye the old wife, and buy new wife and rape her as long as he pleases.
c. Islamic countries allows Muslim tribes to get revenge by raping women of rival tribe. Thats is how they settle score
ontra1 4 months ago
@ontra1 haha yh course it does. bro zaatari refuted your points you idiot take your posse and leave
zeshy999 2 months ago
@ontra1 Thats not islam but sunnism.
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Your parents taught you correctly. However, their failure to teach you to treat women as inferior was due to their courage and attention to real nature. In spite of the teachings of the Koran, women have as much soul as men.
As for the text you quote that the testimony of a woman alone against her rapist is sufficient to condemn him to death, is this law in practice anywhere?
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@keylawk Quran [3:195] Their Lord responded to them: "I never fail to reward any worker among you for any work you do, be you male or female - you are equal to one another."
f10italia 5 days ago
I'm a Qatari girl and muslim . now I'm talking as as a muslim female .
Men in my country Whatever be my father my brother, my colleague at work or any man walking in the street treat Women as Princesses . I'm freaking proud of my religion and nationality as Qatari . do you know why ?
Because arabic muslim men believe One hand does not clap in arabic muslim society spichely my society . by the way as muslem arabic girl i have my full rights without discussion.
Good video Thank You
MsLumos85 5 months ago
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@MsLumos85 Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)
dickknows 4 months ago
my parents never taught me to treat women how i like...
Pat C. is a Bigot
TheChosenBlud 5 months ago in playlist More videos from SamiZaatari
Read the news: Pakistanis and Muslim Immigrants have started wave of rape in Sweden, Norway, UK, Australia. Why there are no such stories about Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhist immigrants ? They also face same problems which muslims do.
Please thumbs up if you like.
330MillionGods 6 months ago
Apostasy ftw.
avdmeers 7 months ago
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No of course not!!!
855842 7 months ago
Nope, we are always taught to respect women, and I agree with alkuwari1993 when he says women are seen as sex toys in the western world.
kakarot1234567891234 7 months ago
Well No Islam does not encourage treating women badly. But sadly, many Muslims go against what Islam teaches. And that's a fact. Many.
kanyaamakan 7 months ago 2
pat is a big fat bigot
InfamousShogun 7 months ago 10
so agree with you Sami, and no, I see women in my country ( Qatar) really happy, inside my house and out side my house ,and by wearing the hjab they protect they're pride, and our women get they're full education and both have the right to get good jobs and some women even get a high position in they're jobs and we don't see that in US or UK .
I just don't get it, they treat they're women like they're sex toys and we see that in your movies
alkuwari1993 7 months ago 20
@alkuwari1993 U have not even the SLIGHTEST idea about the position of women in the western world. UR women are sextoys, not western women. Western women are emancipated, have same rights as men, control their own lives and sexuality, and are more productive than many muslim men. U must know that the less rights a women has, the more the chance that she is exploitable (sexually/economically). Does that ring a bell? Ur an idiot. Western women in the movies, are fiction. Read on Enlightenment!
focusontheargument 1 month ago
Pat condel is just angry.
hes just angry, and hes using Islam to release some steam.
nafism6969 7 months ago
Islam is the most beautiful and fair eligion ever ever ever ever.
We love our religion more than ANYTHING.
it is the love of my life.
nafism6969 7 months ago
If a women need 4 male witnesses to testify in favour of her court-case in order to be trusted, then what else is that but to condone rape? Not to mention when under the circumstance that the only male person(s) likely to be nearby happen to be the rapist(s).
unlyckystrike 7 months ago
@unlyckystrike The requirement for 4 male witness to testify in court is for adultery or fornication and not rape, you imbecile.
menj1980 7 months ago
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unlyckystrike 7 months ago
@bobozmonovski some scientists researched it.
Here, in the Netherlands a famous moviemaker was butchered by a muslim. Later the muslim said he had to do it by the Quran. That was a shock over here.
So some scientist studied the quran.
They quantified the text.
For example, hate against jews was 16 % in the quran, while in Mein Kampf of Hitler it is 'only' 8 %.
koertje 7 months ago
@koertje Theo Van Gogh got it coming to him, and even so it was just a single act that wasn't condoned by the general Muslim community. That being said, however, I am not sad that he is gone. And you might want to show proof on who are those so-called "scientists" who studied the texts and quantified it. Did you pull that out of your arse?
menj1980 7 months ago
@menj1980 ok so you say it wasn't condoned by the general Muslim community, but anymway you like it that he is murdered. That sounds a bit strange to me.
It is the same that we heared here often from muslims and looks to me that that is a reason they are getting more and more in the corner lately.
"Not condoned by the muslims' , arent that empty words then?
So easy to say, but........
is that the famous takyia? sorry, i dont know if I spell it right.
koertje 7 months ago
@koertje I wouldn't want to wish for anyone to be murdered but in Theo Van Gogh's case, I am making an exception in my personal capacity. No need to make up your foolish stories about "takiya" (no idea what that is, a Japanese car?), this has nothing to do with religion.
menj1980 7 months ago
@menj1980 Ok, but then please don't go whining about islamophobia.
BTW I doubt that what you know about Van Gogh is only a bit correct.
koertje 7 months ago
@bobozmonovski Ah, the good old tu quoque, one of my favorite fallacies of irrelevance. No denial, just a misdirection. And a threat. Nice.
ChopJoplGershw 7 months ago
great rebuttal ...... :D as always!
Zubi2111 7 months ago
i don't care what the islamic text says if the things in it are not put into practice 100% of the time. the fact is, women are stoned and put in prison for being raped . it happens! muslim or non-muslim, you can't deny that. i'm not saying islamic text supports that practice, but it happens in the name of islam and that's what pat condell was talking about.
Tphahreh 7 months ago
@AnimePhreak786 No proof? These events didn't happen? When we see video tape of some fanatic shouting "Allahu akbar!" before he saws someone's head off, that's not real? These things don't happen? Are you serious? Blame Islam? The people committing these atrocities tell us they are doing it in the name of Islam. You should repudiate them, not me for simply noting what they do.
ChopJoplGershw 7 months ago
@AnimePhreak786 Muslims kill non-believers all the time. Again, my position is not that Islam is or has to be like this, only that it is often enough to make it a matter of concern for non-Muslims and a matter of scandal for Muslims. 9/11 was an example of Muslim murder of non-Muslims, and the presence of a few Muslims doesn't change that. It's by no means hard to find examples of Muslims killing other Muslims. The attacks in Mumbai in 2008 is another example out of thousands.
ChopJoplGershw 7 months ago
@AnimePhreak786 You're a profoundly unreasonable person whose stock-in-trade is denial. I never said "Muslims are Nazis." I refer to the researchable fact that you can find plenty of cartoons in the Muslim world that use the same imagery that Nazis used. A reasonable person might say, "That's true, but this by no means represents universal opinion" or some such thing. You don't even bother.
ChopJoplGershw 7 months ago
@AnimePhreak786 "Non-Muslims are treated better in Islamic lands than Muslims in non-Islamic lands. I can give plenty of examples" Tell it to the Copts. Tell it to the south Sudanese. Tell it to Ethiopian Christians. Heck, tell it to the Amadhis, who are killed for being insufficiently Muslim.
ChopJoplGershw 7 months ago
@ChopJoplGershw Ethiopia is a Christian majority country. Fail.
1manmafia 7 months ago
@AnimePhreak786 As per usual, you don't respond by taking a position on the facts but rather on the political correctness of my position. It's offensive for me to point out that Muslims actually going around killing non-believers, but they do. All over the place. If you take a little effort you can easily find examples of cartoons and other anti-Jewish propaganda from Muslim countries.
ChopJoplGershw 7 months ago
@AnimePhreak786 Please cite the actual comment so that we can see whether you're reporting it accurately. There certainly is a great deal of barbarism in the Muslim world. That doesn't mean Muslims are barbaric as a rule. "That was just an example" — yes you dope, it's an example of something I never said! You haven't refuted any of my arguments. I criticize actual inhuman things that Muslims do in the name of Islam. I do not say that all Muslims do such things.
ChopJoplGershw 7 months ago
@AnimePhreak786 Really? To what extend is there anti-Semitism (let's not debate the term) in the Muslim world? Have you ever seriously studied the question? I agree that Islam is not a racist religion — it's open to all. Of course that doesn't prevent Yemenis despising black Africans. In fact, there is a proliferation of anti-Jewish propaganda in the Muslim world that is rivaled only by that of the Nazis. Your denial of this and other faults doesn't change the reality.
ChopJoplGershw 7 months ago
@AnimePhreak786 What's going on here is you are offended that I dare criticize any aspect of Islam or Muslims' behavior. You don't get beyond that to recognize the merits of my carefully measured statements. At the same time, you have no hesitation to criticize my race and what you perceive as my culture in the most reckless way, with the broadest and most uncharitable generalization. This is hypocrisy and special pleading.
ChopJoplGershw 7 months ago
@AnimePhreak786 What ignorance? I've made reference to pretty well known historical events that your earlier comments ruled out. To you "ignorance" appears to mean disagreeing with you. I'm not hostile to Muslims by any means; I am hostile to interpretations of Islam that are hostile to non-Muslims. I don't see only negativity. The culture of Islam used to be superior to the culture of the West in many ways. I wish Muslims would focus on recapturing genuine greatness in a way we can all share.
ChopJoplGershw 7 months ago
@AnimePhreak786 This is what I mean by lack of attention to what I've actually said. Nothing I've said could be interpreted as advocating "Kill all Muslims" or all Muslims are barbarians. Are you serious about not expressing any hostility. Who are "my people" anyway? My historical citations have been sound and you have certainly not refuted anything I said. Listen, I sense that I'd like you in person, so I'll say no more. Peace.
ChopJoplGershw 7 months ago
@AnimePhreak786 Sharia makes legal distinctions between Muslims and non-Muslims. Non-Muslims are typically under serious disadvantages in majority Muslim countries. Consider the Copts in Egypt. Anti-Semitism of the ripest kinds if rife in the Muslim world. There's plenty of racism in the Muslim world, as well as other kinds of discrimination. For example, Yemeni Arabs look at black Somalis with contempt on racial grounds.
ChopJoplGershw 7 months ago
@AnimePhreak786 Your standards of "proof" are not very rigorous. You see someone with a threatening point of view and you respond with hostility rather than a reasoned consideration of their position. You assume rather than interrogate, you are careless about what is said and take no trouble to carefully examine whether it might have any merit. Your playing the "race card" says more about your own insecurities than "my" culture.
ChopJoplGershw 7 months ago
Apparently it can never be said often enough: Islam is not a race.
ChopJoplGershw 7 months ago
@AnimePhreak786 You misinterpreted my valid criticism as being motivated by racism. You have adduced no evidence to show this, because there isn't any. You just "knew" I was a racist. And then you proceeded to say astonishing things about the unique evil of white people. This latest post is an improvement, but you have already demonstrated reflexive racism toward white people.
ChopJoplGershw 7 months ago
@AnimePhreak786 Yes, I know the formula: anything black people have done can somehow be made to be whiteys fault. I guess we are to believe that there were never tribal wars in Africa before the colonial period. Making people of a given race the source of evil in the world is most definitely a racist position. I see you don't actually refute what I say about subordination of non-Muslims; you just express your disagreement.
ChopJoplGershw 7 months ago
I love how he uses the very same argument after having dismissed a similar argument. First he says that Dawkings not debating highly religious people is wrong. Then he uses the very same argument that Dawkings is using and says how someone isn't even worth debating as they aren't 'intellectual' enough. You see dear Sami, that is exactly the point Dawkings does not want to debate these people. There too deluded to even understand what a good argument is.
scrap222666 7 months ago
@AnimePhreak786 Stop blaming white people for your own shortcomings and unhappiness. And when I say "your" I mean you personally because, unlike you, I don't assume things about people based on their race. As for a "peaceful religion," it's a fact that there are many people who interpret Islamic texts as authorizing the persecution and murder of non-believers. You can legitimately argue that Islam need not be that way, but there's no denying that it often has been and often is.
ChopJoplGershw 7 months ago
@AnimePhreak786 You're not "quoting" history, your appealing to a crackpot misinterpretation of history that flatters your biases and psychological problems. Man's in humanity to man is universal. Tell me: what happened in Rwanda? Also, you're moving the goal posts. You took the position that non-white people don't "colonize." Have you never heard of the Chinese dynasties, of the Inca and Aztec empires, just to name a couple? You're a genuine racist who fuels hatred with unhistorical nonsense.
ChopJoplGershw 7 months ago
@AnimePhreak786 This may be the most moronic comment I've seen here so far, to say nothing of its unashamed offensiveness. What does one say to such profound ignorance? Do you really believe there have never been wars of conquest by non-white people? A mind is a terrible thing to waste. As for Islam. I have no problem with people believing what they want, and I'm sure Islam has made many individuals better people. Unfortunately, Islam also inspires much violence and persecution.
ChopJoplGershw 7 months ago
I like your accent. where are you from?
Jegudiel29ZX 8 months ago
Can you do a video on Thunderfoot? He's annoying!
pokki30 8 months ago
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@DNIWEO
"Megiddon responding to people doesn't make you look smart it makes you look stupid (no pun intended)."
What pun? If you are going to say "no pun intended" than a least have a pun in the sentence!
I don't think my comments make me smart, they make other people smart (pun intended).
Megiddon 8 months ago
One One One not even two lol :D this video is full of fun .
Pat is so stupid that he doesn't even know how to lie .
And as for my parents they used to scold me just for uttering ( you are a dog ) so how could they teach us about such a crime ?
lemon3011 8 months ago
70 % of the Quran is about hatred and agression .
koertje 8 months ago
@koertje Intolerance to 'infedels' seems me a weak point in islam.
Over here a lot of muslims are a bit ashamed and dont go to the mosq anymore.
Others grow more fanatic and it looks like islamophoby is a reaction on the fanatic muslims.
Talking about religion of peace is getting a bit rediculous.
koertje 7 months ago
You and PAt don't get he point. The Middle East supports rape. They just happen to be Musslim (not that relgion helps). The true eavil is the exstreamist culture. i.e The middle east
aab43214 8 months ago
@aab43214 The rapers in the middle east are soldiers from US and Europe.. So shut up with your bullshit!
KaranfiLL88 8 months ago
@KaranfiLL88 Hey look I know a few soldeirs have done something terrible, but you cant tell me that the law systm in the middle east does not help men get away with rape. Lets say you get rapped by a woman you can bassically win trial jsut by saying that. Lets say you are a woman that gets rapped by a man. He will win if you bring the case up because it's your word against his. You might even charged for adultry.
aab43214 8 months ago
@KaranfiLL88 Not all cultures are eaqull. For example, Nazi Germany was not eaqul to the UK during WW2. I am not biggot if a country of whites Asians or any race treated wemon this way i would be against that country. For example I was highly against South Africa when they had Apparti in effect. Macking the country rulled by white males.
aab43214 8 months ago
@aab43214 The Middle east supports rape ?????????? what are you talking about ?
lemon3011 8 months ago
@lemon3011 The law systm makes it very easy to get away with rape as a man.
aab43214 8 months ago
@aab43214 How ?
lemon3011 8 months ago
@lemon3011 I can't post a link of an article i read so search for this article in google. Saudi Arabia: Rape Victim Punished for Speaking Out
aab43214 8 months ago
@aab43214 Thank you I read the article and I know this case but it was't written as its really is . To be honest I think that the rapists should be killed but they did not sent them to death and I don't know why .
The woman ( who was married ) was punished 90 slashes because she was with another guy . The rapists saw them together and kidnapped them and they raped them both :(
Regardless of the court decision and was it right or wrong ... it wasn't the punishment for speaking out
lemon3011 8 months ago
@lemon3011 in some countries
aab43214 8 months ago
Pat CUNTdell is nothing more than hateful bigoted racist Islamophobic old fart who's trying to make a name for himself by attacking Muslims because he can get away with it, sadly, this sick minded old fuck is creating more sick minded idiots like him, if you ever talk to a pat CUNTdell fanboy you know what I'm talking about, they're the most hateful and disgusting vile filth you'll ever see.
iCitiz3nP0vv3R2 8 months ago
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lampyleuchte 8 months ago
@lampyleuchte
I didn't attack "atheists" I attacked racist bigoted Pat Condell, and I see why you removed your comment, it didn't make ANY sense but that's what happens when you can't come up with something and resort to copy/paste my comments.
iCitiz3nP0vv3R2 8 months ago
@iCitiz3nP0vv3R2 I didn't copy paste your comment, I showed you your mirror image. Dastardly, isn't it? It's people like you who confirm to me that Pat is right because he never attacked anybody in his videos (except for Osama, who really deserved it).
What about the hate preaching, violence spreading islamists? Do you stand up aginst them as well?
Calling somebody racist because they don't like what islam does is just too easy. I guess you can't do better than that.
lampyleuchte 8 months ago
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@iCitiz3nP0vv3R2
iCUNTitiz3nP0vv3R2 is nothing more than a hateful bigoted racist westernphobic old fart who's trying to make a name for himself by attacking atheists because he can get away with it, sadly, this sick minded old fuck is creating more sick minded idiots like him, if you ever talk to a iCUNTitiz3nP0vv3R2 fanboy you know what I'm talking about, they're the most hateful and disgusting vile filth you'll ever see.
lampyleuchte 8 months ago
@iCitiz3nP0vv3R2 i really do agree with you brotha there...well said!! lmfaooo
gstreetboi 8 months ago
He hasn't been in any Muslim household. His mind is up his bum. if you keep getting caught up in what he says, or beings like him, you will grow into him. That which I resist - persists! Mohammad was a King, pat condell is a little player in a litter game. The prophet did not Live in conditions where up to 44% of the reported rape cases provably fraudulent. FBI Statistics.
Gota love ya tho Sam.
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harleybunt 8 months ago
"They perform (their) vows, and they fear a Day Whose evil flies far and wide. And they feed, for the love of Allah, the indigent, the orphan, and the captive -- (Saying), 'We feed you For the sake of Allah alone: No reward do we desire from you, nor thanks.' (The Noble Quran, 76:7-9)"
Quran the truth is there for all genuine people to ponder on megiddon your not one of them thats for sure.
Unity4allhumans 8 months ago
My parents told me to respect women and as the quran teaches the parents including your mother needs to be respected above all..more than i can say about how i have seen some westerners respect women..talking about women as if they are meat and only sexual toys,women paraded on telivison sexually constantly to sell all kinds of products,also funny how in democracy in the west though so civilised rape has only increased throughout the years? thats not me go and google the rape rate..wake up
IIprotecttheinnocent 8 months ago
@IIprotecttheinnocent
"..more than i can say about how i have seen some westerners respect women..talking about women as if they are meat.."
Well, I could talk about how muslim teachers talk about uncovered women as meat and how it it their fault if they are raped, what do you have to say about that, right on topic, and a point that Sami chooses to ignore as he makes his 70 excuses for his fellow muslims.
Megiddon 8 months ago
@Megiddon "Well, I could talk about how muslim teachers talk about uncovered women as meat and how it it their fault if they are raped," Im not here to clear up what you have heard SOME muslims talking about..we are talking about islam that comes form the quran..if we go onto what random people say wether muyslim or not..i think we will be here all day..its ilogical.
IIprotecttheinnocent 8 months ago
@IIprotecttheinnocent
Islam is what is being taught, and if imams teach that women who do not cover are "servants or whores" as ibn Kathir (random person) would put it then that must be cleared up otherwise people might start to think Islam condones rape!
Megiddon 8 months ago
@Megiddon "servants or whores" first of all if i start to mention the endless type of monkey buisness being taught in teh world again we will be here all day..this way of thinking is ilogical..there are certain types of muslims who teach that a guy sitting in france is to be worshipped you might bring that to me..but that isnt what is beleived in teh main stream..so i suggest you deal with islam and not hearsay.
IIprotecttheinnocent 8 months ago
@Megiddon ..also provide source for what you are reffering to and we can take a look..so far this is an accusation only..
IIprotecttheinnocent 8 months ago
@IIprotecttheinnocent "..also provide source..."
"(That will be better that they should be known so as not to be annoyed. ) means, if they do that, it will be known that they are free, and that they are not servants or whores."
This is the translation from the website Theholybookorg.
I think it is important to acknowledge how Islam is being taught, how it is being interpreted and the implications that has. You cannot just say those individuals, imams, countries are misguided.
Megiddon 8 months ago
@Megiddon Also let us not skip comments onto millions of subjects you stated that ibn Kathir r.a stated that women are - "servents or whores" i doubt this very much as its clear where ever you got this from cant even make yup thier mind which it is? as i said the source please? accusations are empty..and proof of ilogical behaviour.
IIprotecttheinnocent 8 months ago
i was thought this.... A GUY WHO TREATS HIS WOMAN LIKE A PRINCESS SHOWS HE WAS RAISED BY A QUEEN....
gstreetboi 8 months ago
Pat Condell gets his information on Islam based on anti-islamic propaganda-- not on truth. May Allah show him the truth one day,
drac16 8 months ago
If you consider the deeds of the prophet to be worth emulating, then Islam propmites both rape (Safiya) and Statutory Rape (Aisha). By definition, Muhammed was a rapist.
CHAS1422 8 months ago
pat condell is an ignorant about Islam, and he is also a grade a idiot.
kingsaiful 8 months ago
@SamiZaatari
Salaam Alaikum!
I just wanted to express my distress, no disgust at all the Muslim bashing going on in the US at present! I am a follower of Christ who cannot stand all the "Christianist" rhetoric being engaged in! I was blessed to have grow up, right next to a vibrant community of practicing "Sufis" in a small town in Northern California!
Having been exposed to the likes of "Rumi" or "Hafiz" from a young age, this unwarranted demonization sickens me!
Blaine
blainebill39 8 months ago
@blainebill39 it's all good. :D
SamiZaatari 8 months ago
he leaves references in his comments you twat
lyntonio 8 months ago
yes great, you have ran the "racist" card now your running the "bigot" card....1st claim, if a boy is raised with the koran as a guide he will grow up thinking woman r inferior...the more a Muslim is indifferent to this the more western he is, the point is Islam is intolerant, bigoted and apocalyptically murderess a times not all Muslims are..
lyntonio 8 months ago
@lyntonio wtf are you on about you looney idiot? Must be a member of Stop the islamification of muslims in europe. You sound like a miniture version of Pameller geller that frikken loon. Wake up Quran promotes equity and elevates a womens worth you moron.
Unity4allhumans 8 months ago
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@Unity4allhumans so "Love spreads love and hate spreads hate. " r words on your channel, these r the words on the above comment "looney idiot?" "frikken loon" "you moron" as th black eye peas song goes "where is the love"...no the koran does not elevate woman or equality
Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers. (2:98)
“Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. (9:123)
“Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you may dislike it. (2:216)
I could not b bothered with u
lyntonio 8 months ago
@Unity4allhumans Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers. (2:98)
“Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. (9:123)
“Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you may dislike it. (2:216)
“The unbelievers are your inveterate foe. (4:101)
“Idolatry is more grievous than bloodshed. (2:192)
“Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah’s religion reigns supreme. (2:193) Some are true believers, but most of them are evil-doers. (3:111)
“Men have a status above women. (2:228)
lyntonio 8 months ago
@Unity4allhumans bn Abbas reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: I had a chance to look into the Paradise and I found that majority of the people was poor and I looked into the Fire and there I found the majority constituted by women.
lyntonio 8 months ago
@Unity4allhumans
The Quran does not promote equality between men and women. It makes men the protectors of women, it makes it clear that women are subservient to men. Islam believes women cannot be seen as anything other than sex objects by men outside the family.
" Wake up Quran promotes equity and elevates a womens worth ..."
You've said this before, what do you mean by that?
Megiddon 8 months ago
@Megiddon You have got a twisted perception. You consider protection and modesty as a negative. When the only culture that sexualises females is the western one.
Unity4allhumans 8 months ago
@Unity4allhumans
Western society believes that women should be allowed to show their beauty without being molested or abused. Islam does treat women as sex objects and demands that they cover themselves.
Megiddon 8 months ago
@Megiddon islam treats women like sex objects, lol, yeah, thats why the porn industry and all these things were made in the invest, your a deluded person.
SamiZaatari 8 months ago
@SamiZaatari
You backtracking Sami? When you commented earlier you kept saying women were objects of sexual desire!
What relevance has the porn industry got to do with this? Islam treats women as sex objects just as much as the porn industry, the only difference is the approach and amount of clothing.
Megiddon 8 months ago
@Megiddon the porn industry uses women as sexual objects, and your the one babbling here about how Islam supposedly treats women like sex objects while the west doesn't, so your just talking plain crap.
SamiZaatari 8 months ago
@SamiZaatari
Yes, the porn industry, like Islam, treats women as sex objects. I never claimed that women cannot be portrayed as sex objects in the west, just that they have the right to wear what they like without being treated as sex objects, even porn stars when they are not working have that right.
Megiddon 8 months ago
@SamiZaatari
At 07:00 you say 4 eyewitnesses are needed to prove adultery, this is incorrect. If the husband brings a claim of adultery his word alone is enough.
Megiddon 8 months ago
@Megiddon thanks for once again showing how little you know about Islam, according to the Quran, the testimony of the husband is NOT ENOUGH, if the wife denies his claim, then her testimony will be accepted, and not his. here is the verse, contd.
SamiZaatari 8 months ago
@SamiZaatari
Why were you unable to disprove me when I showed you that Islam believes that women can not be viewed as anything other than sex objects by men outside the family?
Where was the Quran to debunk me then?
Megiddon 8 months ago
@Megiddon "Islam believes that women can not be viewed as anything other than sex objects by men outside the family?" "And for women are rights over men similar to those of men over women. (2:226)"
IIprotecttheinnocent 8 months ago
@IIprotecttheinnocent
I read the Quran online usc.edu and i'm confused.
Megiddon 8 months ago
@Megiddon
2:226?
Megiddon 8 months ago
@Megiddon "2:226?" sorry i was meant to put down 2:228 that shows that men and women indeed are equal in kindness to eachother. if they were just pieces of meat in the eyes of muslims then why would anything like kindness be taught!? this goes against the view of barbarisem that is being spread..
IIprotecttheinnocent 8 months ago
@IIprotecttheinnocent 002.228
YUSUFALI: Divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods. Nor is it lawful for them to hide what Allah Hath created in their wombs, if they have faith in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but me,...?
Megiddon 8 months ago
@Megiddon "but me?" in the end if you are clear with your question you shall get a clear answer..what are you asking here? "but me?" what about you? ask the question and you shall get the answer..
IIprotecttheinnocent 8 months ago
@IIprotecttheinnocent
but me ... n have a degree (of advantage) over them. And Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
You cited a verse from the quran, supposedly claiming that women were equal to men. but the verse continues and says men, well you can read and the verse is completed above.
You went on to say that " if they were just pieces of meat in the eyes of muslims then why would anything like kindness be taught!?" but the verse relates to muslim women who cover not kuffar who don't.
Megiddon 8 months ago
@Megiddon You dont seem to understand the big picture? instead your concentrating on words that you have taken incorrectley...the verse does state that men and women are equal in "kindness" if they were meat..that would not be the case..big picture logically states your version of events or opnion is incorrect..second you talk of kaffiroon as if we have one rule for ourselves and another for non beleivers? indeed while that may be the case in certain matters..
IIprotecttheinnocent 8 months ago
@Megiddon You read the quran and are confused? to what part are you confused?
IIprotecttheinnocent 8 months ago
@Megiddon "For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in charity, for men and women who fast, for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah's praise, for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward. (33:35)"
IIprotecttheinnocent 8 months ago
@IIprotecttheinnocent
Great, so that is for Muslims who submit to allah, what about those who don't?
Megiddon 8 months ago
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@Megiddon "Great, so that is for Muslims who submit to allah, what about those who don't?" ?? im confused what is that supposed to mean? do you mean if muslims rape women who are non muslim? Rape itself is a sin just as murder the Quran forbids muslims to kill any innocent JUST as it forbids to rape anyone..if you are stating otherwise i would like to see such a verse for truly that would be a first.
IIprotecttheinnocent 8 months ago
@Megiddon "Where was the Quran to debunk me then?" To disprove something it must first be proved..please do show where it states in the quran that women are only sexual objects to men outside of there famalies?
IIprotecttheinnocent 8 months ago
@IIprotecttheinnocent thank you very much, this guy is talking nonsense and making things up, then he says DISPROVE IT WHERE IS IT WHERE WHERE WHERE WHERE IS THE DEBUNKING!!!!!!!!
SamiZaatari 8 months ago
@SamiZaatari Indeed brother and understandable why it is so fustrating..but this is the test upon us..continue..for it is all we can do till the times of justice come..and the truth is plain for all to see..we shall continue to point out the obvious and they shall continue to deny the blatent..and accuse without thought or proof..May Allah s.w.t give us the strength to continue.