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  • The real problem is we are trapped in planet which has limited natural resources.

  • How about all the people who want war and population reduction just get together and have one big gunfight together. You wouldn't have to worry about there being too many people, since you'd be dead. You could make a day out of it, and the rest of us could live in peace.

  • condoms are so expensive in Asia ?

  • siily vidoe , look china population 1.3 billion , compare that to european unioun size of china is 1 billion , so you see china and europe are roughly the same in population and land mass

  • Excellent, excellent and EXCELLENT - the truth hurts, but mankind is blind, especially Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshi's etc...China at least is doing something about it...alas for mankind, it is all...not enough

  • fuck MinnesotaNorthStar and fuck america... if all peopke dont belive like you dont use GOD in you arguments.. The only communist here is you. Stuff ur head up your ass and speak for your self idiot... The world is not USA

  • @proovevasques Spoken like a true ignoramus.

  • so you're calling for Suicide?

    why should I kill a Human, if Refusal to procreate doesn't harm anyone & is a proper option to alleviate overpopulation?

    consider a world in which everyone had 5 kids. at which point you would say, it's enough? people in many parts of the world nowadays are already suffering from overpopulation. also in the united states.

    damn, you're so blind. look at the facts: 6,7bil. people. >1,3 bil. of cattle to feed only 5% of them. 95% of world's soy fed to cattle

  • Gee, I realize that videos like this call for debate often, but can you people at least keep your debate a bit more on the civil side?

  • A Refusal to procreate alleviates all suffering. Basta.

  • There is no population problem. Spread out a bit dumb asses. If you think there is such a problem then I guess you need to start with yourself.

  • I agree. Spreading out, living in rural areas, be self sufficient, and we can have 4 times more people on this planet if necessary.

  • Problem of population is in countries of Asia, Africa and Latin America, unfortunately these savages than to fuck nothing else can. Now these are all nit.

  • I think we shuld solve population (I live in china)

  • I did my share: no children

  • Lets just have either 2 or 1 child and wear condom for the rest of the time... CHEERZ

  • To xtremebounties:

    No, don't use any condoms. Condoms dull sensitivity, and I read on some discussion thread guys complaining of semen backpressure. Also, any form of contraception costs money and has side-effects, including the unnatural sabotaging of the natural flow of human life.

    "Good" Catholics aren't supposed to use "artificial" birth control. Yeah, there's side effects. World balks and says rhythm requires too much self-control. I also agree. So that means use beauty "no method" method

  • There is no such thing as over population as we are able to fix many of the problems that appear whenever over population occurs allowing us to grow even more as a race.

  • er... you'll note the most common solution to overpopulation is warfare.

    All of humanities greatest inventions appear to be spin-offs from technology designed for ritualistic slaughter.

  • To walter0bz:

    No, war is for savages who only understand force.

    To deal with "overpopulation" it's not war, it's cooperation, trade, faith, using technology and development to better support ever vaster and denser populations.

    Naturally rising population density, is either reason to spread out if possible or desired, or to promote the social graces, and accept that people can actually get used to always "living in a crowd." Build more suburbs, more cities, more highrises, whatever is needed.

  • no, building cities highrises etc takes materials, once the materials of a particular area are exhausted, people go to war to secure more resources, or have a civil war to bring local pop back down.

    The only way to avoid war is to stay in balance with the resources of your area.

    ants & humans (being social) invented war as an alternative to starving once resources run out.

    To end war, we need *population balance*, and Eugenics to avoid stagnation.

  • To walter0bz:

    Look, the population phobics will never be able to convince all the world to stop multiplying so much, as it goes against nature and their religions. Muslims multiply like rabbits, or so I have heard. They want to take over the world by conquest, or by outbreeding us. Then Catholics and Hindus, and most every major religion advocates procreation and large families. You can't even convince me, and I know more about the population isssues than most everybody.

    We can easier ADAPT.

  • To walter0bz:

    You aren't even correct about the building materials. Weather-resistant materials from which human dwellings can be made, are nearly infinite in supply. Grass huts. Trees of the forest go very far when used for lumber rather than for just firewood. Glass is made from silica sand. No shortage there. Brick is made from clay. Aluminum is 8% of the earth's crust. Adobe and cement, isn't that crushed rock and clay, after hardening, firing?

    Most agree living space is least of concerns?

  • >> "Grass Huts, Trees .."

    but, *you are advocating exterminating these things"

    have you not heard of "sustainable forestry"?

    >>Aluminum 8% of..

    Takes ENERGY to extract.

    Living space is not the problem, energy is. energy comes from the sun at a finite rate.

  • To walter0bz:

    Do you really want an answer? Do you want truth? I gave you fairly good answer, and you poke holes that aren't there.

    Trees are only one of many items on a list of housing building materials. I can also live in a plastic, concrete, glass, or metal house. Or in some old converted loft-building.

    Energy is not a real problem. My calculations show me using on average, around 300 watts. Solar panels easily do that, however solar is not competitive, sun doesn't always shine. Burn coal

  • "energy is not really a problem"

    disagree.

    Life is fundementally a complex natural phenomenon arising out of struggle to seek new energy sources. Any aspect of it's structure is a side effect of 'channeling energy into being burned'.

    Energy is *always* a problem, thats why there was a war in Iraq, infact thats the basic reason for every war in history- growing groups of people running out of local energy, needing to take it from neighbours.

  • To walter0bz:

    There is plenty of energy all around us. Just our rooftops and factory rooftops could likely collect enough solar energy to run the entire world. But there's a few problems. Solar energy doesn't store well, for when the sun doesn't shine, as 99% of electricity is consumed the second it is produced. And it's more expensive than cheap coal. The working poor can't afford to pay more for electricity and gasoline.

    War is caused by sin and greed, not seeking energy that's all around.

  • Solar energy ?

    have you heard of TREES ?

    nature's been doing it for some time now.

    Wind Energy ?

    we've already used Wind Energy to power transport across 2/3rds of the earths surface.

    you get the picture ?

    The bubble you live in is created by fossil fuels (stored SOLAR power from millions of years), which are going to run out.

    * yikes, forgot you beleive earth is few milenia old :)

    This is just as futile as arguing about Eugenics given that you don't beleive in evolution :)

  • To walter0bz:

    I told you what solar can do, and why solar doesn't work or isn't so practical. And you say trees? So where is the electrical outlets on the trees? I can't seem to find where to plug in my cord?

    Wind Energy? Huh? My car has no sails.

    Why are you telling me the Peak Oil propaganda? Do you work for the cabal conspiracy?

    I don't expect to use gasoline forever. Cars on iRobot movie, don't use gasoline, are self-drive, and go faster/safer. Something will be better than gasoline.

  • car ? in future you will cycle or walk everywhere. Much healthier. Average human, not even athlete, can get into habit of cycling 30+ miles/day easy.

    Peak Oil propoganda? It's this simple. If i'm *dependant* on something produced by huge hrc with no family links to ownership, that thing can be used to enslave me. Living independant of oil is common sense Freedom.

    Trees - they make Food, Building Materials, and Fuel (firewood,+oil) - money doesn't grow on trees but all the above do :)

  • To walter0bz:

    In the future, everybody will be health-food, exercise nuts? Like you? Ha! You must be dreaming.

    China was land of bicycles, because inefficient commie government wants common masses poor. But now even China and India are getting cars. I wish I could walk everywhere, I like walking, but my car gives me great freedom, extends range of what activities, stores I can shop. And I do carpool/ride when I can.

    hrc?

    So why don't you invent a better car?

    Okay, YOU go live in a treehouse

  • The Bicycle is one of mankinds greatest inventions, along with computer ("bicycle for the mind" as steve jobs said).

    cycling makes you fitter, and saves money (consumption of fuel & car..).

    cycling IS an activity.

    In the UK we have sterotype that americans are terminally car dependant. Well I stayed in seattle/redmond for 3months, cycling, and found it very agreeable - great cyclepaths, sloped curbs, and very pleasant scenery.

    In future, car-dependant people will be extinct. ADAPT!!

  • To walter0bz:

    You said, "*a licence to breed is dependant on your ability to look after others*

    -> this would filter population for both altruism & fitness/efficiency"

    Why do you want Big Brother issuing/denying licenses? It's so much easier to go with individual freedom or natural flow of nature, and welcome all babies to push out naturally.

    In the future, we will all have Jetsons flying cars. ADAPT. Late at night when little traffic, I set cruise control to slow, as I like to see scenery.

  • flying cars would waste energy - they would be a luxury for greedy / lazy people .. just like regular cars are now infact :)

    You can enjoy scenery just fine on a bicycle. 1 slice of bread powers you 3 miles. Most of my colleagues have "round-trips" of 20miles = 6 slices of bread fuel for transport :)

    We're so dumb we even drive to go to gym to burn same cals on excercise machine that would provide adequate transport. hahaha.

    wastefull, lazy habits :)

    Cars make us WEAK

  • To walter0bz:

    On The Jetsons cartoon, sure the flying cars use huge energy. They go very fast and rarely need refueling. How is that possible? They say they run on "power pellets." But I see no smoke, nor huge roar of jet engines. I figure that's code for minature and safe nuclear reactors, because chemical reactions couldn't produce such performance. Actually, small airplanes don't use any more fuel than a car?

    I used to bicycle ride. I enjoy quiet scenery. However, too dark, too much traffic

  • To walter0bz:

    One interesting idea is storing heat energy in vast tanks of molten salt. Then the heat can be tapped to run turbines at night, to keep the electricity flowing. However, I haven't heard anything to the effect showing that it would be a cost-competitive option.

    When are you going to come over to the side of good? Fascist false libs are telling us we can't use the "wrong" kind of light bulbs, wrong kind of toilets, can't have black cars, paint all rooms white. Enough is enough?

  • I tend to beleive [1] free market [2]Peak Oil [3] enviro in roughly that order.

    Eugenics comes from "free market", i.e. breed right qty of economically-efficient people

    So, forcing people to build windfarms when it's *uneconomical* just for sake of Enviro is BAD - e.g. economics might be telling us we spend more oil making the turbine than getting electricity back.

    Green Taxes are most likely a con.

    BUT educating about Peak Oil, and viewpoint "life=energy-limited" is paramount

  • To walter0bz:

    If you believe in free market first, then the free market wants its right to "unlimited" babies, so let the population size "explode" in size naturally, no resistance nor whining to what "must be."

    Eugenics comes from evolution, the idea there is no moral standard, so let evil elites dictate this standard. Most any adequate moral system says you may not reduce humans to a mere economic commodity.

    Uneconomical means wasteful, harming working poor who can't afford skyhigh costs.

  • for "moral+economic eugenics" how about this idea:-

    *a licence to breed is dependant on your ability to look after others*

    -> this would filter population for both altruism & fitness/efficiency

  • Hey walterOrbz. Here in the USA we don't like being told what to do. You should understand that and get some of that yourself. You sound like your from a communist country or something. Sell that shit somewhere else.

  • Actually I'm from the UK and my observation is we have some sort of dysgenic breeding programme going on with the socialism/dumbing-down here, so thats nearly right.

    My point is that breeding beyond the resources available to your parents is a recipe for disaster. Your kids will depend on socialist state control/resource re-distribution, or worse still, resource-wars.

    Capitalism/"freedom" requires *balance*.

  • Your socialistic UK can kiss my American ass. Freedom is freedom. There is no population or resource problem at all. If it is that way where you live then I suggest moving. No one is going to tell me how many God given children I or my children can have. Ever. I have five kids now and I might want more that will be up to me and my family. You are brainwashed into thinking there is a population problem. There isn't one. It is a lie. There is plenty more room out there.

  • Haven't you realized that Man is not god's only Creature?

    If there will be more People, there will be less of Nature. i can't believe, that your god agrees to the Destruction of Rainforests by growing Food for mankind breeding on & spreading more and more over the Planet.

  • Realize is the key word. You need to realize reality first of all. The planting of trees is going just fine where I live and in the rest of the united states. If other countries are to stupid to realize why God gave us seeds then I guess that is just stupidity. Man is number one in Gods eyes. The plants and animals are here for us and we have the right to do what we wish. The day that a tree has more rights than any man is a sad day to be alive.

  • Nonsense.

    beati pauperes spiritu.

    Hint: read, read and read! there are more books than the bible.

  • Poor in spirit is exactly what you are. You can cram your European liberal socialist communism right up your ass. If you want to believe there is a population problem then get on the ball and start with yourself first.

  • yeah, but there is a finite amount to things in this world, there is nothing that is unlimited except for human brainpower(i got that from disney world!), but anyways, god did give us the right to do as we want with the earth as you said, so we can do things like not litter or try do innovate and be resourceful with things we extract from earth

  • okay well somebody is a dumb ass here since in America recently there has kind of been a HUGE CHANGE in gas prices. Besides room to live isn't the main problem it is going to be the battle for resources like oil and water

  • Do have any idea how this world works?

    Why don't you look up the list of dead scientists who mysteriously disappeared or died. Far too many free energy scientists are on the list to be a coincidence. Look what happened to Nikolai Tesla for heavens sake. There is not and never will be a true Gas or Resource shortage. The problem is people who believe there is. You had better open your eyes to the reality of life. When the real war comes it won't be about resources I assure you.

  • @MinnesotaNorthStar Even if there is no GR shortage, that is far from the only consideration. When all that crap burns up it will fuck up our environment. Even all that aside, outsourcing is trashing our economy. Even if u are spot on about GR...so what! Time to drop a condom bomb on India.

  • @clarkent69 Eugenics mined people are a big danger to this world. Man is not God. You or I have no right to tell anyone if they can have children. Worshiping the planet is a sure sign that they have captured your mind. Population is not even an issue. The biggest danger to human society is Transhumanism. Our economy is being intentionally trashed. There is no other way to explain the stupidity of it.

  • Oil based agriculture has allowed for this unnatural expanse of human numbers. Expect a correction in the future. Their is no balance, their must be balance.

  • i think well just have to start eating each other haha(joke)or birth control chemicals in drinking water? mandatory classes on environmental sustainability taught to kids from a very young age,*pro abortion ideals!!*

  • or we could use X-Ray guns to make people out on street corners sterile

    or

    We could have MTV make castration the new rage

    or

    We could subsidies corn prices in Mexico putting small villages out of business! this would force them to immigrate to the USA were they would be cheep labor. Then when the public objects we can build a wall to keep them from sending money back. The social brakedown of mexico might thin things out a bit and we would have lots of cheep cooks for our restaurants!

  • @BanjoNaps Yes indeed. Once oil runs out, natural forces will correct the balance and it will be ugly. I would not want to be around by then.

  • sure china has 1.35 billion people but do you realize 350 million of them are farmers in usa we have a million to feed 3000million , have you been yo china food is everywhere its very very cheap like a water melon at 0.25usd , there is more food right now per person in china (the most populated nation on earth) than in the usa , don t belive me go see for yourself , be prepared to eat alot & cheaply food shortage in china?thats utter laughable nonsense

  • To knightspy:

    Thanks for pointing out how growing huge numbers of human mouths to feed, don't threaten global food security. Actually, more people to feed, helps build food stores and food productivity, as people are supposedly intelligent and can readily ADAPT, especially were they to more frame their natural population expansion as a very worthy goal.

    There's a population theory, that we have "too much" food. Really? It's a natural process that food turns into people, but that's GOOD!

  • there is no shortage of empty land in china you know traveling there in person is a far more accurate measure than just a graph , the fact is you can stand the entire population of earth inside the city limits of jacksonville florida,(do the math) can house them all in the state of florida, there is no shortage of land, only to much greed & waste we have the room we have the resources we have the technology , perhaps we could get people to see this instead of fear mongering

  • It is refreshing to see that many more people are starting to face the problems of over population.

  • To axeholm: Promoting population paranoia really is unproductive. Sure, many countries are reaching the "tipping point" of converting from having many acres of land per person, towards many people per acre. I advocate such increase in overall population density, for the greater good of the many, so that all the more people may experience life.

    But that means, we should welcome there to become more places with lots of people and fewer places far from lots of people. Design for population growth.

  • Thank goodsness fruitcakes like you are a diminishing minority. If I thought for one minute that you are taken seriously by people,then I would be worried. The thing that I can't get over is your sheer stupidity and you just don;t see how silly your idea's are.

  • To axeholm:

    Are you so sure that we natural "fruitcakes" are in the "diminishing minority?" Homeschooling is a big growing movement. So is women getting fed up with the corporate career ratrace, and coming home to be Stay-At-Home Moms. Now what might more SAH Moms tend to do? Breed more babies. Gasp! Larger families are less an "obstacle" to one's goals, if they are no longer clamoring up the corporate ladder to nowhere.

    A coworker told me his wife wants 6 children. Lots of babies at Church.

  • Your co-worker sounds as bloody dopey as you.

  • To axeholm:

    And what's so wrong with his wife wanting 6 children? Or do only guys want big families? Women could never want to fulfil their natural function—childbearing? Of course I encouraged him to go for it, he would likely be glad he did. Another worker/friend confided to me that they decided to try for a 5th child.

    At my Church, somebody always seems to be having babies.

    "Our baby population is growing by leaps and bound with no end in sight." I read in the Church bulletin some time ago

  • If India and China can get to have so many people, why can't we the U.S., as well? By 2100, a billion Americans should be just the normal natural thing.

    We should be a good example to a growing world of people, by growing ourselves and showing the world how it is best done.

    We ought to be procreating more babies ourselves, and that could help "dillute" the influx of immigrants, and by showing more respect for the dignity of human rights and freedom, maybe that would slow the influx somewhat.

  • What a terrible thought, now you see why people oppose your silly idea's so vehemently.

    Dear. dear.

  • To axeholm: What terrible thought? I try to open people's minds to some possible and pleasant possibilities.

    You say I have silly ideas? As do most all humans who breed children too?

    Some rich elitists are so full of their stupidity having been "educated way beyond their intelligence." I find that more poorer or working class people more readily understand what I try to say, while people full of secular "education" raise more objections.

    I also find people who agree. Maybe they like to breed?

  • I would hardly called starving masses with no sustainable agriculture elitists. If you can't feed em don't breed em. we are not talking of elitist full of stupidity, we are talking about poverty masses who are unable to feed or clothe or educate of medically care for oversized families. Geez are YOU stupid. You just can't keep breeding like you are. Even selfish unchristian people like you will come to this realization. You silly silly stupid wretch

  • And what exactly, is an "oversized" family? I think quite many parents of some of these "oversized" families would be rather inclined to disagree with you, about how many children it's proper and natural to be having.

    People can go on breeding and breeding still more people, as that's what our reproductive organs are for. More and more people would be glad to come alive, and we can help them come alive by multiplying like God commanded.

    Huge populations don't begat poverty, but sin/foolishness

  • Pronatalist

    I think you know very well what an oversized family is. God has commanded many things, but I don't ever recall him saying destroy the world. That is precisely what we are doing. There is nothing in all of your comments that convince me that you are right in what you say. But yes I agree with you that cimate change is a problem and one that stems from over population. On that point we do agree.

  • To axeholm: Where do you get this idea that we "agree" on "Climate Change," unless you agree with me that it isn't really the problem they make it out to be? Global warming is about as weak of a theory as can be imagined. They can't prove it, they can't prove human activities are the cause, they can't prove it to be all that significant, they can't prove the effects would be dire, they can't prove we can do anything about it, so there's no reason to rush towards policy!

    I advocate "oversized."

  • The biggest barrier to addressing the population problem are self serving hypocrites who hide behind religion. They tell you to go forth and multiply, according to God,s word. These people are generally in the pay of multi nationals and despite their religious fervor would not have a christian bone in their body. The sad fact is that unless the issue of unbridalled population growth is addressed in an intelligent manner little will be left for future generations to look forward to.

  • Go forth and multiply isn't some religious "conspiracy" nor merely some agenda of multinationals. It's in our genes and a natural part of nature.

    I advocate natural "unbridled population growth," because the more numerous humans may naturally become, the more people there are around to benefit. Many people really do have kind and altruistic motives. All pronatalists and parents of sometimes large families, obviously aren't on some large-population agenda payroll.

    Our kids deserve kids too!

  • Pro, we, the human race have a problem, we are over populated, and running out of commodities both finite and renewable that are needed to meet the needs of an expanding population.

    If you're not part of the solution then you're part of the problem. Methinks Pronatalist you constitute part of the problem. It is however refreshing to see that many people are recognizing that over population issues need to be addressed and that many in the clergy advocate this ideal.

  • axeholm, who says we are "overpopulated?" Compared to what? The past? But human populations have been growing throughout history, nature & because they were much too small

    I am part of the solution, as a huge thing people are good at, is ADAPTING.

    Abraham and Lot's growing tribes, were wise in Genesis, to decide to spread farther apart to go on multiplying. But there's only but so far to spread out, before humans run into themselves again. But there's still other dimensions. Inwards & Upwards.

  • And the biggest population "problem" is all the anti-family nonsense about denying people their children.

    What for to have bigger nicer housing, but for large and growing families?

    What's the use of improving benefits and society and what all, if there can't be more people around to enjoy it all? Why scheme to rob people of their children, and then replace their children with pidly little stupid socialistic trinkets?

    "Free" education and medical care, isn't "free," somebody pays for it all.

  • The obvious answer is for the human race expand its borders...

    The universe is infinite, we can expand into space forever, multiplying thousands of times over and over - let's not resort to killing babies

  • Buddy, Do you honestly think that we can build huge spaceships to transfer alot of people on it into other planets and live there easily? There is a thing called terra forming, which is a long process..Humanity cannot sustain itself like this.

  • We don't need huge space ships to start it off... Eventually companies could build them once it is possible to make a profit from it. The Europeans did the same thing crossing the Atlantic...

    Terraforming will basically work like global warming on other planets, a slow but steady byproduct of Human existence...

  • so we already fuck up our own planet and now you want to search for other planets to make war and problems there asswell? no lets just get the population down.. by war or by making only 1 baby

  • Why should we kill are own kind when we can move to planet with no signs of inteligent life and live there. Would you kill your fellow man just so you don't have to kill something thats not human.

  • i dont think ppl are worth another planet.. the dont even deserve this one..

    do you think we can live on another planet when there are aliens who deside the rules? no we cant we will make war and kill them if they allow us to..

    since human race will not get extinct the next years i dont give a fuck about some less.. you must understand war is no option but we cant go on thi way..

    a great indian saying: you dont get planet from your ancesters but you borrow it from your kids..

  • Yes we'll have some of the same problems whether we are on one planet or 5000 planets. Does that make it wrong to expand?

    There will always be plenty of problems out there to solve, I'm just saying that the size of our population doesn't need to be one of them.

  • Over population is a very big problem, but give true facts, snaps of people sitting on top of train are from Bangladesh. Some people are even holding Bangladeshi flags.

  • sorry for the discrepancy there, thank you for clearing that up though.

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  • Dear god, have you gone mad?! Now every horny male is going to screech like the pigeons from "finding nemo" and they are going to screech like wild monkeys. Heaven forbid you are forcing people to keep their Chastity, are you nuts?! You are not letting people leave their urges go answered. (FYI this is sarcastic)

  • i know a solution for overpopulation, just let everyone with cancer die!! no help for ppl with aids, bomb the hospitals, stop research for diseases, kill every 3rd kid.. and to make the population go down, make war not peace!

  • Well....People who got AIDS since their parents gave it to them deserve help, but Adults who got it from sexual intercourse should not because it's their fault they got it in the first place. It's more of a payback disease. Leave hospitals for serious and hardworking humanity-contributing controlled people, but don't let others in. Research cures for diseases by victims who unfairly got it...Or just make the reproductive process fatal..

  • if your born with aids, it your parents fault, the should not make a child..

    i think this planet we life on needs more attention we destroy it on every single way wich i think is such a sin cuz we have (one of)the best in our galaxy:o ppl are worthless nomatter who they are.. the fuck up the planet wich provides us our lives but we destroy it for the next generation;(

  • So I guess your worthless too.

  • yup as worthless as everyone esle, included your mother

  • Nice Video

  • I agree with you, however, the purpose of this video was to focus solely on over population.. I think we can both agree that over population only increases the dependency on fossil fuels (which leads to pollution/global warming/etc..).. its a domino effect which begins at over population

  • Over population is not the problem. Human Beings are.

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