It gets consumed where oxygen is produced anyway...and water becomes dirty. If you use silicon plates you will always have clean water and the plates will never consume ;-)
once sanded and cross hatched you should treat the stainless plates in a hydrochloric acid solution, this etches the sanded grooves deeper and gives you TWICE the SURFACE AREA, also production is only on the negative side so why do both sides???
.063 is the magic # huh? anybody ever tested plates unsanded with a .032 gap? tip:put in dishwasher with auto dish det, steam dry, and wear gloves when assembled wipe with isospyrol alcohol before washing. i have wall plates. i wonder if hydrogen comes off only one side i need only sand one side, the convex side, i will reduce oxygen? and vice versa if i change polarity?
The washers I use are 1/16" thick. I tried 1/32" (unsanded) but it's too close, and any impurities in the cell cook onto the plates and clog them. It doesn't seem to be enough of an advantage to be worth trying to keep the electrolyte pure. I don't recommend wall plates because the angled edges are not always perfect, and so they can touch. Don't try to reduce oxygen, you need it. HHO means "hybrid hydrogen oxygen". Oxygen helps the fuel burn more efficiently. Sand or don't sand all equally.
@jrmnw1 HHO doesn't means that, H2O is water and HHO (2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen) is the mixture of hidrogen and oxigen gas that is produced by our cells!
you know two really experienced veterans say sanding is a waste of time...zero and scarecrow, zero uses a .048 gap...and scarecrow a 1/16 or .063 gap, smack also a .063. why dont the other two guys sand them? zero probably tested his...you know a smaller gap does make larger bubbles...that means less clinging due to rising faster, like a beach ball compared to a tennis ball...or not?
I have tested this several times, and the outcome is always the same. Sanding boosts production by 5-20%. The gas being produced displaces electrolyte. Gas can only be produced if electrolyte is in the cell, and if there is less electrolyte in the cell in contact with the plates, then less gas can be produced. Also, the raw plates have a plain finish, which may vary from batch to batch, and you can't be sure of what's on the plate without clearing the plate of it's non-stainless impurities.
Have you heard of sodium acetate? Baking soda and vinegar combined. They put in chips sometimes. I hear it may work well but may have to include some cap fulls of isopropyl alcohol. Not sure but testing soon...
Thanks. The cross hatching makes the bubbles release from the plates at a smaller size. When a bubble is sitting on the surface of a plate, that is surface area not in contact with the electrolyte solution, and therefor that area cannot produce hydroxy. So the smaller bubble size is a definite advantage. I clogged a cell once with baking soda for electrolyte (not recommended) and unsanded plates. The baking soda couldn't move through quick enough, cooked on the plates, and clogged the cell.
It gets consumed where oxygen is produced anyway...and water becomes dirty. If you use silicon plates you will always have clean water and the plates will never consume ;-)
steblizz 2 years ago
pretty cool jig good idea for cut plates,
FYI and for others.......
once sanded and cross hatched you should treat the stainless plates in a hydrochloric acid solution, this etches the sanded grooves deeper and gives you TWICE the SURFACE AREA, also production is only on the negative side so why do both sides???
infamousartgallery1 3 years ago
.063 is the magic # huh? anybody ever tested plates unsanded with a .032 gap? tip:put in dishwasher with auto dish det, steam dry, and wear gloves when assembled wipe with isospyrol alcohol before washing. i have wall plates. i wonder if hydrogen comes off only one side i need only sand one side, the convex side, i will reduce oxygen? and vice versa if i change polarity?
john29302 3 years ago
The washers I use are 1/16" thick. I tried 1/32" (unsanded) but it's too close, and any impurities in the cell cook onto the plates and clog them. It doesn't seem to be enough of an advantage to be worth trying to keep the electrolyte pure. I don't recommend wall plates because the angled edges are not always perfect, and so they can touch. Don't try to reduce oxygen, you need it. HHO means "hybrid hydrogen oxygen". Oxygen helps the fuel burn more efficiently. Sand or don't sand all equally.
jrmnw1 3 years ago
@jrmnw1 HHO doesn't means that, H2O is water and HHO (2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen) is the mixture of hidrogen and oxigen gas that is produced by our cells!
cavielles 1 month ago
you know two really experienced veterans say sanding is a waste of time...zero and scarecrow, zero uses a .048 gap...and scarecrow a 1/16 or .063 gap, smack also a .063. why dont the other two guys sand them? zero probably tested his...you know a smaller gap does make larger bubbles...that means less clinging due to rising faster, like a beach ball compared to a tennis ball...or not?
john29302 3 years ago
I have tested this several times, and the outcome is always the same. Sanding boosts production by 5-20%. The gas being produced displaces electrolyte. Gas can only be produced if electrolyte is in the cell, and if there is less electrolyte in the cell in contact with the plates, then less gas can be produced. Also, the raw plates have a plain finish, which may vary from batch to batch, and you can't be sure of what's on the plate without clearing the plate of it's non-stainless impurities.
jrmnw1 3 years ago
that's a great method. I'm impressed.
but always be careful not to breathe the stainles steel 'dust' while sanding.
I heard it would be harmful to your lungs.
keep up the good work!
eatbutnotpuke 3 years ago
Have you heard of sodium acetate? Baking soda and vinegar combined. They put in chips sometimes. I hear it may work well but may have to include some cap fulls of isopropyl alcohol. Not sure but testing soon...
chucksheen 3 years ago
Good technique. Does the cross hatching effect production?
stancruse 3 years ago 2
Thanks. The cross hatching makes the bubbles release from the plates at a smaller size. When a bubble is sitting on the surface of a plate, that is surface area not in contact with the electrolyte solution, and therefor that area cannot produce hydroxy. So the smaller bubble size is a definite advantage. I clogged a cell once with baking soda for electrolyte (not recommended) and unsanded plates. The baking soda couldn't move through quick enough, cooked on the plates, and clogged the cell.
jrmnw1 3 years ago