They don't know because their government doesn't let them learn about this it is censored by Chinese government and even on fb or emails the government checks everything you send to see of they think it's pnay
When Vietnam finally does decide to take these cockroaches off the face of the earth, they'll have to use a nuclear strike from space on every Chinese city;it's the only way to be sure. Finally Tibet will be free and justice to the world will be served.
Tank 0 You really are an ediot if you're studying Chinese or think China is a tourist or study abroad destination. People in China DON'T know basic facts about their own history, such as this incident.
The Vietnamese have over 1000 years of experience with the Chinese dogs to their north, they stay ready for war 24/7 against these pieces of shit.
These students are the cream of the crop and they have worked very hard to get a place in the university. The interviewer is really irresponsible to ask such a delicate question. Even the students know the answer, would they answer the question and jeopardize their future.
china has all kind of evil things, so many death camp, secret police, etc etc,,,,,,,china is most hell place in the world, communist kill their against people without any permission necessary, chinese communist party killed historical amount of people, china is perfectly lawless zone for anythings
when i learned about this is school. there was a kid who just moved from china in my class, and he never learned about tank man before. the sad part is, most of my class didnt either, how could you not know about probably the most courageous act ever?
all people is not equal under the communism china,most of people is so poor,but major communist has so many privilege,car house food etc etc,,,,,,,major communist in china just want to keep those privilege,so that why they killed historical amount of their citizen,its typical characteristic of communism,communist kill their against people without any permission,china is perfectly lawless zone,chinese communist party killed historical amount of people for keep major communist`s privilege
china has all kind of evil things, so many death camp, secret police, etc etc,,,,,,,china is most hell place in the world, ccp killed historical amount of people
You see, the Chinese are trying to raise a more pro-goverment generation, who support the lack of human rights and respect the economic freedoms they have been given. So, the schools have no teachings on what happened in Tiananmen Square, so the students don't start a mess like that again.
I do not agree. I think that this shows what individuals are capable of, and it makes me happy to see that such courage and strength can be summoned by ordinary people against the war-machines or police forces of repressive regimes and tyrants.
I don't believe these students. It's obvious they are afraid to discuss the event. They had to of heard of the event from older relatives. I have a friend from Vietnam and although they have liberties freedom of speech isn't one of them.
All this demonstrates is that college kids are poorly educated. This is nothing new, nor specific to China. Try asking American kids what was happening in the US during the 80s. See if they know anything about Star Wars (NOT the movies), Iran-Contra, or Black Friday '87.
@NecessaryTruths No, Iran-Contra was a complicated scandal that was not well understood by many Americans even back then. But if you show American kids a picture of 9/11, today, 10 years from today, 20 years from today, they will recognize it. Especially college kids. These are Chinese kids from China's best college. Show any kids from Harvard or Berkeley or Stanford a pic of Oswald being shot or the Hindenberg Zeppelin explosion, they will be able to identify it even though it was years ago
fools, if you think china is the only country that does this, America has a way of creating propaganda to mold the public sheep how it wants.....Just take a look at what happened recently, Supposedly they killed Bin Laden which is total bullshit
@Lyrikalstylez Who're you to say that America didnt kill bin laden? Al Qaeda themselves admitted that he was killed! That's why everyone's freaking out over national security because they want to prevent a retaliation.
@UnknownGnome1 i doubt it. From what we've been told (and i know as much as everyone that that could be a lie) He was killed in the gunfight. I highly doubt that we'd keep him alive due to the security risks and the hatred americans have for him. If even a hint got out there that he's alive there'd be massive riots by americans and al qaeda would launch everything they had at us to get him back.
@jsuperposeg thats because the goverment tried to cover it up and act like it nvr happened at least in china but some records say he was excuited by secret police
The boy whispered 89 meaning ....if you are smart better pretend to the "foreign devil" that you know nothing... so that it is a win-win situation for all. Win for us because we can keep our place in the university. Win for them so that they can show the world how repressive the Chinese government is and how ignorant the students in top Chinese universities are.
It's pretty obvious what the context of the picture is without knowing what actually happened. they either staged the reactions or or lying out of fear. I mean really... military parade? art? cmon
Someone reply to me that Suppression of information and opinion by the government is never justifiable. It's true, and I solely agree. However, the Chinese don't want outsider to tell them what to do. The rest of the world also have the problem, except that they do better work in keeping the secret. Did anyone knows how Julian Assange, the wikileak guy, ends? I suppose he did the right things, but the US gov still don't like him.
May be you should interview elsewhere other than Beijing University? Don't you think Big Brother would be extra careful with this school after Tiananmen Square? I agree with the notion that you can't rule out the possibility that they are pretending not to know. Excellent Youth Leaguers!
May be you should interview elsewhere other than Beijing University? Don't you think Big Brother would be extra careful with this school after Tiananmen Squares? I agree with the notion that you can rule out the possibility that they are pretending not to know. Excellent Youth Leaguers!
let me just say this, sure, this event was horrible, and it was a major embarrassment for the Chinese government, why would the government WANT to teach an event like this, they'd rather forget it. The people i know in China who were students a couple of years ago, they know about this event even without being taught it in school, its not like their oblivious to the rest of the world. Also, i have to say the translation of this video is a bit off and its not like they represent all of China.
Another possibility is that these kids were savvy enough to realize that this video would likely be broadcast before the kinds of people who'd make their lives hard if the students identified the picture.
@mortalkonlaw The other possibility is the reality in which if you live in china you do not have access to this footage. Or any footage on YOutube or any free media.
@mortalkonlaw I don't believe that. I'm sure from their looks that they had no idea. And it's sad. That man is a hero but they, the ones he could have died for, knew nothing of it. And the rare video of the man will, no SHOULD, forever shame China's past and one day everyone will know the story of the "Tank Man"
Frontline is such an awesome investigative journalism program! Check out their PBS website, the whole documentary is there for free. Even in China if you use a proxy server. :-)
@scattam I didn't say it, actually; covering for pneshati. I agree, its not the best reference, but I'm pretty sure that's what he meant. I looked up important dates in 1984 on wikipedia, nothing showed up for china other than hong kong being let go by the British.
@scattam The book by George Orwell. He wrote it mostly in 1948 about Stalinist Russia, but it was published in 1949. He simply reversed the last 2 numbers.
2:27 - several generations WTF Robin Munro, Honey I shrunk the kids was released a few weeks later. Too obscure for you youths? How about Batman, Back to the Future II, Indiana Jones and the last Crusade... Here we are watching a video that seeks to comment on misinformation, and obscured truth, and the spokesperson doesn't even have clue when it happened.
most chinks guy youtube is chinese secret police. they writting communist dictator`s propaganda over and over again. its their job, and also they hired so many to making propaganda too. you can search it in google (50 cent army), it so funny hahahaha
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The CCP has hired thousands of freelance Internet propagandists whose job is to infiltrate chat rooms, message boards and comment areas-----(50 Cent Army)
The government have to take military action because the student protesters is getting insane at that time. Did you know what the students do before the government took action? Of course you don't, because the media didn't care about what students did as long as they stand for democracy. I'm not saying the military action is best decision, but the protesters are also resposible for the consequences.
@sxyexia Indoctrinated shit like your comment makes me sick. Go ahead live in your narrowminded big brother world, couldn't care less. But that you have the audacity to defend a totalitarian state over students who wanted freedom baffles me and is quite frankly tragic.
@zaphr89 BS，who cares about shitty freedom if people are starving to death? Just look at Iraq and Afghanistan and African nations, their economy is bad as hell now, but OMG, they are under the so-called wonderful democracy! But wait, why is China's status so much better? The fact that you naturally think single-party system is bad is actually tragic. As I said before, the students did way more than protesting peacefully, military won‘t shoot them if the students can be a little more rational...
@zaphr89 Never had a country can satisfy the need of every citizen. China has 1.3 b people; that means even 1% of population can become a huge force. If China had been under democracy, any group who don't like the gov't will just go out and strike and there will be protest forever. CCP is a dictator, but it didn't do badly in managing the country, so what else do you want? Look at Russia, a transition to democracy will have huge pain, and most people in China are happy now and don't like that...
@sxyexia INDIA is the second largest populous country but we have a democracy and along with china ,and brazil we are moving towards becoming one of the future superpowers ,,so don't say it is not possible
What a bunch of nonsense. Of course these students know the picture. The male student's reference to '1989' clearly demonstrates that they know the story behind the picture.
They just do not dare to speak about it in front of a camera.
Today, let us not just blaming china, russia ,iraq,&etc, the west re just using same kinds of dirty tactics to put someone up against them into jails. Julian assange , u re a big fool, why chose to expose secrets of the west , why not just expose secrets of china, if you do just target for china, probably the nobel committee , comprising mostly from Europe and USA,would consider to grant u the peace prize next year. .Though I respect u as a hero, u re also a big stupid viewing from the west.
These students are completely aware of what the image is. When the guy whispers '89' he is obviously referring to 1989 ! they know they would get in trouble if they discussed the events in a documentary. Well done for having the censorship comittees fooled !
It seems to me a little unfair of the film makers to have placed the students in this possition. We all know China is a totalitarian state, all they do is put the students in a very poor position. If they reacted in the wrong way their liberty and future are in jepordy. It was very irresponsible of the film make to make this descision for others.
@fillap01 That's true. But in the end, they weren't taking into account there liberties and such, they were simply looking to make a profit. It's unfortunate to even think it, I know, but I'm sure they realized what they were doingwhen they did that bit. They knew they were putting the lives of these students at risk, but it's more of a concern to them to turn a profit from this documentary.
The tank operating man inside the tank should deserve nobel peace prize because he chose not to kill a suspect facing him who might be a human bomb holding in his hands two suspected bombs or explosives . He saved this man who was naive enough to challenge a tank. If he is in Iraq or Algh or vietnam or any place facing army sent from the west, he is surely a dead man no doubt. All west trained soldiers would never tolerate any suspect acted as human bombs jeopardizing thier live.
@TheMediator888 I am pretty sure of that if the americans had a military parade (in their own home country), and an american citizen walked in front of a tank, it surely wouldn't kill him. But in war times, I believe that any army from any country would kill a man going in front of a tank.
@soulmacia Right on man!! Also don't forget U.S genocide in the Phillippines and to the Native Americans. Take the splinter out of your own eyes before you judge other people USA
@holytemplar So USA is as shitty as China (not quite but sure it has its fault) Most of the china criticisers are European (i am). We don't buy your pathetic attempt at a 8 years old "but mama, xxx started it" You still suck.
@jsuperposeg i still remember in my high school textbook (2004 edition) there is one sentence under the chapter "economic and social reform since 1978" saying something like "the continuous fast-pace of economic reform also had its negative impacts such as corruption and environmental degradation, and eventually led to A POLITICAL TURMOIL IN THE LATE 90s". you might just skip it of course, but at least my teacher explained the sentence since he was a protester himself.
@xXLoneWolfXv cant really understand what you're trying to get through to me, but i wasnt joking about communist propaganda, its harsh reality my friend
They don't know about it, because The Chinese Government does not want them to know about it. They don't want any memory of any kind of Uprising or Rebellion to last. To be fair, it's not just China that does this, all governments do to some degree.
@100PercentGOLD how is my nationality relevant to this? you may be canadian but that doesnt change anything... besides, you basically restated what i said
@NDPofNovaScotia It never will happen. Atlases not peacefully. Capitalism does work. Unfortunately haven't had true Capitalism in America since Woodrow Wilson and the Creation of the Federal Reserve bank. Today we have Corprotism which is just as bad as Communism. The businesses that are best off are in bed with the government. We wouldn't be facing a Monetary collapse in the near future if the government actually followed the Constituion.
@withtheoldbreed Our system is nowhere near as bad as Communism. Would you like to work for the government no matter what job you do? Would you like to own nothing? How about being told to work harder for the same pay? Or what about having to share the same pay with the man who does nothing while you're working your ass off? China's economy is less true Communist now. They're more Socialist. Even though our system isn't doing very well right now, I'd much rather have this than Communism.
@Patbad73 Yea, well we are getting there. Our system is rigged.. It's hard to succed when most of the business is controlled by monopolies and Corporations that are in bed with the government. It is imposible to have Austrian Economics when we their is a Massive Federal Reserve Bank that manipulates our currency and only the insiders get to know what they are doing... Why can't we Audit this unconstitutional Private Central Bank? Read Article 1 Section 8 line 5 of the Constitution.
The constitution of the United States is irrelevant in the United States.
Rights are not rights when they can be taken away, and citizens of the United States have had their rights trampled by the government dozens upon dozens of times. If you need a more concrete example, read up on the internment of Japanese Americans during WW2.
Citizens of the United States were imprisoned for having been born in Japan or for having Japanese parents. No due process. No rights.
@briantotse3 Yep. The Government no longer takes it seriously. Nobody seems to care about the Constitution. A sacred document that our forefathers gave us so that we don't end up making the mistakes of the past and can truley live a free life. I think that our government and Americans should take it seriously. I think a lot of people are waking up. We need a competent leader like Ron Paul who actually follows the Constitution and has a superb voting record. We need to start unlocking minds!
Our Constitution was written by wealthy capitalists and their lawyers, and it is designed to keep the rich in control. If the founding fathers loved the people so much, why did they forbid us from taking direct part in elections by creating the abomination that we call the electoral college? If they loved and trusted the people so much, why did they refuse to let us truly elect our leaders?
And why allow us to be represented as disproportionately as we are in the senate?
@briantotse3 Wow your absolutley wrong and have forgotten the spirit of 1776. The electoral college was created because they feared a tyrant person like Hitlar could manipulate the public to get into power. The electoral college served as a buffer to protect against this. It also was created so that small states could have a bigger say in the election.
@briantotse3 Prior to the 17th Amendment senators were elected by the states, not by the people.The puropse of state elected senators was to give states a voice in Washington. States were supposed to be as powerful as the federal government.This is no longer true as states rights are rapidly being removed and usurped by the national government.If the 17th amendment never passed we wouldn't have issues with people like Blago trying to sell senate seats,and lobyists wouldn't get ahold of senators
I think you mean "to give state legislators a voice".
It was simply another level of insulation between individual voters and decision makers. Rather than the people electing U.S. senators, they had to vote for representatives and then trust that they will carry out their wishes once they're elected.
Without the gubernatorial appointment of senators, you would not have senators trying to sell senate seats, but what is to stop their corruption once they're elected fairly?
@briantotse3 The American people were already allowed a voice in Washington through Congress. The States were supposed to have a voice in Washington through the Senate. The system worked perfectly fine. The founders new that Americans had jobs and would often be too busy to participate in electing competent leaders. They didn't want Americans to be bogged down in electing senators so they left that to the states.
It is not as if the states are a seperate entity, and have seperate interests from the people who live there.
The difference between the senate and congress is that in congress, states with lots of people have more power than states with fewer people. In the senate, a smaller group of people can trump a larger group of people simply because of state boundaries. The senate is less representative of the American people, and is manipulated through corruption with greater ease.
@briantotse3 We are a Republic. Majority rules, but the Minority is supposed to be protected.
After the 17th Amendment passed states rights have been usurped by a far too powerful Federal Government. Texas wants to stop the TSA from groping. Too bad. The Feds say that if Texas passes the anti groping bill, that all the airports in Texas will be shut down. California legalizes medical marijuana. The Feds go into California and arrest the medical marijuana patients and put them in jail.
The 17th amendment does not "protect the minority." It changed the process by which senators are elected or, in the case that a senator resigns/dies before the next election, chosen.
Separately, Article VI, Clause 2 of the United States constitution states that federal laws supersede state laws. This means that the federal law applies, regardless of state law. That was the case before and after the 17th amendment, and has nothing to do with how senators are elected.
@briantotse3 I never said the 17th amendment protects the minority. The 17th amendment contributed to the destruction of this nation. Federal Laws to Usurp state laws but the states have the right to nullify Federal Laws through the passage of state laws. You don't seem to understand how the 17th amendment has had a detrimental effect on our Republic. You need to understand the underlying differences between a Democracy and a Republic, and why the founders wanted us to be a Republic.
I would like you to explain how a change in the manner of how senators are elected has anything to do with the difference between a Democracy and a Republic.
Democracy means that people vote directly. Laws, presidents, etc, are all directly decided by the people. Republic means they elect representatives.
States cannot legally nullify federal laws, due to the supremacy clause, which states that all federal laws supersede all state laws.
@briantotse3 I'm assuming you view the United States as a representitive democracy. It is not. Congress gave the citizens a say in the legislative branch, while senate gave the states a voice. What was the point of stripping the states voice and pretty much making the senate a smaller congress? Do you support the 17th amendment?
States do have a right to nullify. Look up the Kentucky Resolutions and Jefferson.. In modern days however, they are almost always struck down by big government.
Explain the difference between the voice of individual states and the voice of the citizens of those states. When a state wants something in Washington, it is because the people who live there want that thing.
The point of the senate was to level the playing field between states with large populations, like California, and states with small ones, like Rhode Island or Vermont, making it so that small groups of people can have the same political weight as big ones.
I have to say, when you keep arguing that "the states" and the people who live there share separate interests and need separate representation, it makes you sound like you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
If you look at congressmen and senators from the same state, you can bet that they'll usually match up (Disregarding political differences between districts) in terms of their opinions on the issues. Senators and Congressmen are elected by the same people.
@briantotse3 The popularity contest is for Congressmen. It shouldn't be for the Senate. The Senate should be elected by local state governments, not people. The purpose was so people didn't have to constantly worry about who they were voting for and didn't fall for false promises the politicians made. I no longer feel it is worth my time to argue with you.
So you're saying that there should be two houses in congress: One to represent the will of the people, and the other to represent the will of those governing the people? That is what you just said, isn't it?
No wonder you no longer "feel the need" to argue this point. You're a pathetic individual with ridiculous beliefs. To think that the government itself SHOULD have it's OWN opinions is absurd. Go educate yourself before taking part in an argument such as this ever again.
@briantotse3 Okay I will post again... However I will not stoop to your level and throw insults..
The SENATE was ment to represente STATES governments. That is how it was intended. You need to understand how federalism was set up. I'm not sure if you are aware of this or not, but the legislators who elect the state senators were, infact, elected by the people. You vote for your state represenitives, and then they vote for the state senator..
@briantotse3 If you are so up in arms about elected state legislators, electing senators to represent the state in DC, then how is electing congressmen to vote for laws acceptable to you? Believe me, I don't trust government at all today. I know it is very corrupt, i see how the ATF gives guns to Mexican drug cartels and blames the brutality on the 2nd amendment. But the system the founding fatheres created was the best. The system still would be working great if we actually followed it.
@briantotse3 And how can you trust anything that came about under the Wilson Administration? His presiedency set the decline of America. The unconstitutional federal reserve banking cartel came about under him. The IRS came about under him. He put us in WW1 after getting elected based on the fact that he said he wouldn't deploy troops to Europe. Even on his death bed he said he felt sorry for destroying our country by handing the power to create money to private banking cartells.
How did you go from arguing over the meaning and effects 14th amendment to Woodrow Wilsons presidency?
Why don't you stop dodging questions and throwing red-herrings and say something relevant to the topic at hand? Do you or do you not subscribe to the idea that the state governments should hold different interests, goals and beliefs than the people living in those states?
@briantotse3 I am arguing about the 17th amendment which was passed under the Wilson Administration. I do not subscribe to the idea that state governments should hold different views than the people. The people elect the state legislators who then elected the senator. If the Americans dislike the senator they vote out the old state legislators and elect new ones who then appoint a new senator that represents there views and the views of the state.
@briantotse3 If you are angry about people electing state legislators to vote for senators, why are you not mad about electing congressmen to vote for new laws?
I know you think that the founders are racist and evil and just wanted to coat there pockets with gold, but they were correct when setting up the federalist system. The 17th amendment left a deep void in the system and has allowed the government to centralize very fast over the past 100 years.
@briantotse3 The 17th Amendment should be repealed. This would reinstate the states’ linkage to the federal political process and would, thereby, have the effect of elevating the present status of the state legislatures from that of lobbyists, to that of a partner in the federal political process.The state legislatures would then have the ability to decentralize power when appropriate.
@briantotse3 I know about the amendment. I know the Constitution. Perhaps you should re-read it and study it because you are mistaken in thinking that the election of senators by the state legislature was in place to keep rich and corrupt politicians in power. If that was the case than wouldn't the direct election of senators have kept us out of this shit hole we are now in?
They are smarter than you would think. They know what it is and they also know what their government would do to them after this show if they admitted it,..... 1 bullet each to the base of the skull.
Do your western think he can beat the tank? what will happen on him, if he is in USA or canada? He will dead very urgly for sure. The PLA(people's liberation army) really love his people. That 's all this picture show to us.
Do your western think he can beat the tank? what will happen on him, if he is in USA or canada? He will dead very urgly for sure. The PLA(people's liberation army) really love his people. That 's all this picture show to us.
On the contrary, I think they could guess what that picture is about, but imagine what would happen to them (and their family) if they say they knew and then the footage somehow gets transmitted to the Chinese authority?? Bye bye Beijing university!!
these are the people that Tank Man did this for, but....ruled by secretive, manipulative oppressive beasts...they don't even know what it means. China is such a sad, sad place with its history and what its govt does to its people. There are 1.3 billion of you, and you won't stand up or stand together to demand what is right?
They said that the boy whispered "89". Obviously he knows about it, they're probably afraid of what might happen to them if they go on a documentary, talking about such an event with the government sitting next to them during the interview.
when it comes down to it, most american students dont know about this either. nor do they know about the essentially genocidal policies against native americans the American government has condoned.
@pigchickencow: We have Native Americans living among us, as well as MANY different information sources that chronicle that genocide, so the two things don't really parallel, nor does the American student apathy somehow diminish what is being shown here.
@mowgli2071 im not defending this massacre. but we dont explicitly teach our students about our less than noble actions. yes, at least the information is available, but public schools dont come out and teach it.
@pigchickencow: I went to public school, and I know about it. Then again I didn't go in, say, [screams] TEXAS (Yes texas, I'm talking about your board of education. You should all be ashamed, you morons!), or one of those other red-jingo states (or is it: red jingo-states?).
@pigchickencow: I've been thinking about the pro-democracy demonstrations, and noticed another difference. If something on this scale happened here in the U.S., in Washington D.C., we wouldn't be trying to remove all access to traces of it on the web. Also a question: There are two books that I found very interesting, Howard Zinn's "A People's history of the United States", and James Loewen's "Lies My Teacher Told Me". Have you read them? If not I highly recommend them.
@pigchickencow i learned about all of this in 8th grade or freshman year. Some ditzy bitches give all americans a bad name. I know every event that went on in the events u have mentioned. I have watched the tank man documentary. I know about the trail of tears and americanization
if we want the japanese government to recognize their bloody invasion back in the world war 2, the chinese govenment should first recognize their brutal supression against civilians
They don't know because their government doesn't let them learn about this it is censored by Chinese government and even on fb or emails the government checks everything you send to see of they think it's pnay
rulerofrome496 5 days ago
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heheh .. that's scary.. i wont answer either...
lovelplants 2 weeks ago
When Vietnam finally does decide to take these cockroaches off the face of the earth, they'll have to use a nuclear strike from space on every Chinese city;it's the only way to be sure. Finally Tibet will be free and justice to the world will be served.
IASOU2005 3 weeks ago
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Tank 0 You really are an ediot if you're studying Chinese or think China is a tourist or study abroad destination. People in China DON'T know basic facts about their own history, such as this incident.
The Vietnamese have over 1000 years of experience with the Chinese dogs to their north, they stay ready for war 24/7 against these pieces of shit.
IASOU2005 3 weeks ago
My Gf is In China and they cannot watch these videos there they are censered,, they cannot access facebook,, lots of cencerships
johnsreef 2 months ago
These students are the cream of the crop and they have worked very hard to get a place in the university. The interviewer is really irresponsible to ask such a delicate question. Even the students know the answer, would they answer the question and jeopardize their future.
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china has all kind of evil things, so many death camp, secret police, etc etc,,,,,,,china is most hell place in the world, communist kill their against people without any permission necessary, chinese communist party killed historical amount of people, china is perfectly lawless zone for anythings
77777XYZ 7 months ago
wtf?everyone knows about this how does the people who live at the place where that happened not know..
badddd
yoongoonah 7 months ago
They're not stupid!
those student pretend to not recognized it, they would suffer horrible consequence if they express that in media.
4eyesnb 7 months ago 11
everyone knows they just don't want to get arrested.
khosrow 8 months ago
when i learned about this is school. there was a kid who just moved from china in my class, and he never learned about tank man before. the sad part is, most of my class didnt either, how could you not know about probably the most courageous act ever?
MikeFuckingCoen 8 months ago
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all people is not equal under the communism china,most of people is so poor,but major communist has so many privilege,car house food etc etc,,,,,,,major communist in china just want to keep those privilege,so that why they killed historical amount of their citizen,its typical characteristic of communism,communist kill their against people without any permission,china is perfectly lawless zone,chinese communist party killed historical amount of people for keep major communist`s privilege
77777XYZ 8 months ago
感谢外国记者拍下这历史的瞬间，这个瘦弱的青年是当之无愧的英雄。看到这个画面，泪从心底涌出。不知他是否还活着？如果他还活着愿上帝保佑他和他的家人幸福平安。
xxmay0102 8 months ago
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china has all kind of evil things, so many death camp, secret police, etc etc,,,,,,,china is most hell place in the world, ccp killed historical amount of people
77777XYZ 9 months ago
You see, the Chinese are trying to raise a more pro-goverment generation, who support the lack of human rights and respect the economic freedoms they have been given. So, the schools have no teachings on what happened in Tiananmen Square, so the students don't start a mess like that again.
Patbad73 9 months ago
@Patbad73 I believe you hit the nail on the head.
ronbo11 7 months ago
this is sad
tictacman5 9 months ago
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I do not agree. I think that this shows what individuals are capable of, and it makes me happy to see that such courage and strength can be summoned by ordinary people against the war-machines or police forces of repressive regimes and tyrants.
briantotse3 8 months ago
Well fellows, It's not because they don't know, it's because they know if they spot it out they would have been wiped out.
plastictsk 9 months ago
I don't believe these students. It's obvious they are afraid to discuss the event. They had to of heard of the event from older relatives. I have a friend from Vietnam and although they have liberties freedom of speech isn't one of them.
superjtrdr 9 months ago
All this demonstrates is that college kids are poorly educated. This is nothing new, nor specific to China. Try asking American kids what was happening in the US during the 80s. See if they know anything about Star Wars (NOT the movies), Iran-Contra, or Black Friday '87.
NecessaryTruths 9 months ago
@NecessaryTruths No, Iran-Contra was a complicated scandal that was not well understood by many Americans even back then. But if you show American kids a picture of 9/11, today, 10 years from today, 20 years from today, they will recognize it. Especially college kids. These are Chinese kids from China's best college. Show any kids from Harvard or Berkeley or Stanford a pic of Oswald being shot or the Hindenberg Zeppelin explosion, they will be able to identify it even though it was years ago
waltereg0 9 months ago
@waltereg0 I'll take that bet.
NecessaryTruths 9 months ago
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wow the Chinese leaders are really oppressive, its much nicer to live in free countries like North Korea, Zimbabwe or Libya.
Aazerel 10 months ago
fools, if you think china is the only country that does this, America has a way of creating propaganda to mold the public sheep how it wants.....Just take a look at what happened recently, Supposedly they killed Bin Laden which is total bullshit
Lyrikalstylez 10 months ago
@Lyrikalstylez Who're you to say that America didnt kill bin laden? Al Qaeda themselves admitted that he was killed! That's why everyone's freaking out over national security because they want to prevent a retaliation.
Defensivelax 10 months ago
@Defensivelax To be fair they probably kept him alive for interrogation.
UnknownGnome1 10 months ago
@UnknownGnome1 i doubt it. From what we've been told (and i know as much as everyone that that could be a lie) He was killed in the gunfight. I highly doubt that we'd keep him alive due to the security risks and the hatred americans have for him. If even a hint got out there that he's alive there'd be massive riots by americans and al qaeda would launch everything they had at us to get him back.
Defensivelax 10 months ago
@jsuperposeg thats because the goverment tried to cover it up and act like it nvr happened at least in china but some records say he was excuited by secret police
The4x4life 10 months ago
The boy whispered 89 meaning ....if you are smart better pretend to the "foreign devil" that you know nothing... so that it is a win-win situation for all. Win for us because we can keep our place in the university. Win for them so that they can show the world how repressive the Chinese government is and how ignorant the students in top Chinese universities are.
weswmilton 10 months ago
It's pretty obvious what the context of the picture is without knowing what actually happened. they either staged the reactions or or lying out of fear. I mean really... military parade? art? cmon
rdreegsrdr 10 months ago
Someone reply to me that Suppression of information and opinion by the government is never justifiable. It's true, and I solely agree. However, the Chinese don't want outsider to tell them what to do. The rest of the world also have the problem, except that they do better work in keeping the secret. Did anyone knows how Julian Assange, the wikileak guy, ends? I suppose he did the right things, but the US gov still don't like him.
sxyexia 11 months ago
most young people in China know that something happened in 89
but they don't know the full extent and implication of the event and have certainly never seen this picture
my mother was bringing food & water to the protesters
gonavygonavy 11 months ago
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censorship at it's best
jamestown111 11 months ago
May be you should interview elsewhere other than Beijing University? Don't you think Big Brother would be extra careful with this school after Tiananmen Square? I agree with the notion that you can't rule out the possibility that they are pretending not to know. Excellent Youth Leaguers!
khuo0219 11 months ago
May be you should interview elsewhere other than Beijing University? Don't you think Big Brother would be extra careful with this school after Tiananmen Squares? I agree with the notion that you can rule out the possibility that they are pretending not to know. Excellent Youth Leaguers!
khuo0219 11 months ago
let me just say this, sure, this event was horrible, and it was a major embarrassment for the Chinese government, why would the government WANT to teach an event like this, they'd rather forget it. The people i know in China who were students a couple of years ago, they know about this event even without being taught it in school, its not like their oblivious to the rest of the world. Also, i have to say the translation of this video is a bit off and its not like they represent all of China.
kingofdiamonds4 11 months ago
Another possibility is that these kids were savvy enough to realize that this video would likely be broadcast before the kinds of people who'd make their lives hard if the students identified the picture.
mortalkonlaw 11 months ago 8
@mortalkonlaw The other possibility is the reality in which if you live in china you do not have access to this footage. Or any footage on YOutube or any free media.
2RayneR7 7 months ago
@mortalkonlaw I don't believe that. I'm sure from their looks that they had no idea. And it's sad. That man is a hero but they, the ones he could have died for, knew nothing of it. And the rare video of the man will, no SHOULD, forever shame China's past and one day everyone will know the story of the "Tank Man"
AppleSider1 5 months ago
@TheMustang6001
Americans are all fat and stupid and have no souls.
See? I can generalize too.
thot4 11 months ago 2
@thot4 Not true, just look at this:
Tell the world
Uh!
Sisters and my borthers
We got more soul
Uh!
Dig it!
Sisters and my brothers
Of course Dyke & the Blazers were singing about trim, athletic, African-Americans, but they are American.
ronbo11 7 months ago
Frontline is such an awesome investigative journalism program! Check out their PBS website, the whole documentary is there for free. Even in China if you use a proxy server. :-)
brncarlisle713 1 year ago
This is so sad. It's like 1984 all over again.
pneshati 1 year ago 6
@pneshati 1984 all over again? What are you referring to?
scattam 1 year ago
@scattam "1984": Famous book, George Orwell, dystopian sci-fi
SirColgrevance 1 year ago
@SirColgrevance Oh. You said 'all over again'. I thought you were talking about something that has happened before.
scattam 1 year ago
@scattam I didn't say it, actually; covering for pneshati. I agree, its not the best reference, but I'm pretty sure that's what he meant. I looked up important dates in 1984 on wikipedia, nothing showed up for china other than hong kong being let go by the British.
SirColgrevance 1 year ago
@scattam The book by George Orwell. He wrote it mostly in 1948 about Stalinist Russia, but it was published in 1949. He simply reversed the last 2 numbers.
pneshati 4 months ago
@pneshati Oh, I see. I thought something notable happened in 1984.
idioms.thefreedictionary [dot] com/over+again
scattam 4 months ago
Control information and you control power.
Keep the masses smart enough to design and assemble robots but not smart enough to ask why.
That way those that are in power are stay in power, because they can easily manipulate and deceive the gullible and naive.
DeviousBetrayer 1 year ago
not true... they are aware... they know... I have checked randomly - they're not stupid are they?
chinaaccenthk 1 year ago
The Tiananmen Plaza Masacre is one of the things that are banned in China...
mrpepperoriginal 1 year ago
I get chills everytime I watch this tank man
DraGorian777 1 year ago
2:27 - several generations WTF Robin Munro, Honey I shrunk the kids was released a few weeks later. Too obscure for you youths? How about Batman, Back to the Future II, Indiana Jones and the last Crusade... Here we are watching a video that seeks to comment on misinformation, and obscured truth, and the spokesperson doesn't even have clue when it happened.
JohnnyJeden 1 year ago
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most chinks guy youtube is chinese secret police. they writting communist dictator`s propaganda over and over again. its their job, and also they hired so many to making propaganda too. you can search it in google (50 cent army), it so funny hahahaha
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The CCP has hired thousands of freelance Internet propagandists whose job is to infiltrate chat rooms, message boards and comment areas-----(50 Cent Army)
77777XYZ 1 year ago
One of the biggest reasons they don't know is the info crackdown in China. Internet firewalls etc...
lemu4444 1 year ago
and i'm proud to be an american, where at least i know about the Tiananmen Square Massacre.
IMNOTAPOLICEOFFICER 1 year ago
Long live the Communism
khoi7788 1 year ago
The boy and the girl to his left definitely know. Her body language at 1.04 shows that. She was grinning. I doubt the cream of China does not know.
weswmilton 1 year ago
I wonder if they might actually have known of it but were just too scared to mention it on camera-for fear of reprisal from their government?
ZX2ManDave 1 year ago
WHEN PEACEFUL PROTEST BECOME IMPOSSIBLE, VIOLENT REVOLUTION BECOMES INEVITABLE!!!!
black2007tl 1 year ago
The government have to take military action because the student protesters is getting insane at that time. Did you know what the students do before the government took action? Of course you don't, because the media didn't care about what students did as long as they stand for democracy. I'm not saying the military action is best decision, but the protesters are also resposible for the consequences.
sxyexia 1 year ago
@sxyexia Indoctrinated shit like your comment makes me sick. Go ahead live in your narrowminded big brother world, couldn't care less. But that you have the audacity to defend a totalitarian state over students who wanted freedom baffles me and is quite frankly tragic.
zaphr89 1 year ago
@zaphr89 BS，who cares about shitty freedom if people are starving to death? Just look at Iraq and Afghanistan and African nations, their economy is bad as hell now, but OMG, they are under the so-called wonderful democracy! But wait, why is China's status so much better? The fact that you naturally think single-party system is bad is actually tragic. As I said before, the students did way more than protesting peacefully, military won‘t shoot them if the students can be a little more rational...
sxyexia 1 year ago
@zaphr89 Never had a country can satisfy the need of every citizen. China has 1.3 b people; that means even 1% of population can become a huge force. If China had been under democracy, any group who don't like the gov't will just go out and strike and there will be protest forever. CCP is a dictator, but it didn't do badly in managing the country, so what else do you want? Look at Russia, a transition to democracy will have huge pain, and most people in China are happy now and don't like that...
sxyexia 1 year ago
@sxyexia Suppression of information and opinion by the government is never justifiable.
swampdonkey152000 1 year ago
@sxyexia INDIA is the second largest populous country but we have a democracy and along with china ,and brazil we are moving towards becoming one of the future superpowers ,,so don't say it is not possible
dharam2702 1 year ago
it inteed is, this is why I never take any of my lessons to heart at China.
SpicyHam 1 year ago
the picture means that they can make more cheap products to ell to the world becouse the tank man protested for free trade
rolficus 1 year ago
What a bunch of nonsense. Of course these students know the picture. The male student's reference to '1989' clearly demonstrates that they know the story behind the picture.
They just do not dare to speak about it in front of a camera.
Krifko 1 year ago 7
they dare not to speak it out......... but they know abt that.......
UltimateCefiro 1 year ago 2
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Today, let us not just blaming china, russia ,iraq,&etc, the west re just using same kinds of dirty tactics to put someone up against them into jails. Julian assange , u re a big fool, why chose to expose secrets of the west , why not just expose secrets of china, if you do just target for china, probably the nobel committee , comprising mostly from Europe and USA,would consider to grant u the peace prize next year. .Though I respect u as a hero, u re also a big stupid viewing from the west.
TheMediator888 1 year ago
These students are completely aware of what the image is. When the guy whispers '89' he is obviously referring to 1989 ! they know they would get in trouble if they discussed the events in a documentary. Well done for having the censorship comittees fooled !
alacabamba 1 year ago 6
It seems to me a little unfair of the film makers to have placed the students in this possition. We all know China is a totalitarian state, all they do is put the students in a very poor position. If they reacted in the wrong way their liberty and future are in jepordy. It was very irresponsible of the film make to make this descision for others.
fillap01 1 year ago
@fillap01 That's true. But in the end, they weren't taking into account there liberties and such, they were simply looking to make a profit. It's unfortunate to even think it, I know, but I'm sure they realized what they were doingwhen they did that bit. They knew they were putting the lives of these students at risk, but it's more of a concern to them to turn a profit from this documentary.
MrRobottic 1 year ago
@MrRobottic
This is a clip from the Frontline series, which is produced with public funding for WGBH and PBS. This documentary wasn't a production for profit.
unMotivator 1 year ago
down the memory hole it goes
slickwillywize 1 year ago
It's funny how the rest of the world knows more about the history of China than their own citizens do....
spitboi7 1 year ago
The tank operating man inside the tank should deserve nobel peace prize because he chose not to kill a suspect facing him who might be a human bomb holding in his hands two suspected bombs or explosives . He saved this man who was naive enough to challenge a tank. If he is in Iraq or Algh or vietnam or any place facing army sent from the west, he is surely a dead man no doubt. All west trained soldiers would never tolerate any suspect acted as human bombs jeopardizing thier live.
TheMediator888 1 year ago
@TheMediator888 Evrybody ignore the rednecks comments
ValukaX 1 year ago
@TheMediator888 Back then it was not common for people to blow themselves up. The most people had done at that time was light themselves on fire.
The tank driver was most likely just incompetent and confused.
JacobPhilipRenae 1 year ago 2
@TheMediator888 I am pretty sure of that if the americans had a military parade (in their own home country), and an american citizen walked in front of a tank, it surely wouldn't kill him. But in war times, I believe that any army from any country would kill a man going in front of a tank.
SixtenD 1 year ago
according to the one and only official history textbook in China, this never happened!
jsuperposeg 1 year ago 80
@jsuperposeg U.S.A. does the same thing. Most people born in America do not know about the Armenian genocide.
soulmacia 1 year ago
@soulmacia Right on man!! Also don't forget U.S genocide in the Phillippines and to the Native Americans. Take the splinter out of your own eyes before you judge other people USA
holytemplar 1 year ago
@holytemplar So USA is as shitty as China (not quite but sure it has its fault) Most of the china criticisers are European (i am). We don't buy your pathetic attempt at a 8 years old "but mama, xxx started it" You still suck.
zaphr89 1 year ago
@soulmacia Didn't the turkish government committed the armenian genocide?
DeviousBetrayer 1 year ago
@jsuperposeg i still remember in my high school textbook (2004 edition) there is one sentence under the chapter "economic and social reform since 1978" saying something like "the continuous fast-pace of economic reform also had its negative impacts such as corruption and environmental degradation, and eventually led to A POLITICAL TURMOIL IN THE LATE 90s". you might just skip it of course, but at least my teacher explained the sentence since he was a protester himself.
EPsuperFan 1 year ago
@jsuperposeg
do you mean there's only one textbook for primary, medium, high school and uni in china?
nitoro81 9 months ago
Even I know and i'm a 16 yr old westerner.
G3org3Master 1 year ago
the only reason they may not know of it is because of communist propaganda
Dakashizzlenizzle 1 year ago 56
@Dakashizzlenizzle Is there a possibility that the only reason your arguing is because of american propaganda? lol, so ignorant
xXLoneWolfXv 1 year ago
@xXLoneWolfXv cant really understand what you're trying to get through to me, but i wasnt joking about communist propaganda, its harsh reality my friend
Dakashizzlenizzle 1 year ago
@Dakashizzlenizzle This video is as much propaganda as everything else. Watch the full video of the " tank man".
leoachilles 1 year ago
@Dakashizzlenizzle China is no longer communist, now they’re a type of capitalist country.
Tiburone15 1 year ago
@Tiburone15 Actually its neither, its Maoism
Dakashizzlenizzle 1 year ago
@Dakashizzlenizzle Actually Maoism is a form of communism but China let go of communism for state capitalism
Tiburone15 1 year ago
@Dakashizzlenizzle
They don't know about it, because The Chinese Government does not want them to know about it. They don't want any memory of any kind of Uprising or Rebellion to last. To be fair, it's not just China that does this, all governments do to some degree.
thot4 11 months ago
@Dakashizzlenizzle
How about this, the only reason this video exists is because of capitalism/anti-communist propaganda.
Never, ever, trust anything, anyone other than your senses and you.
Then again, you probably are an ignorant American.
100PercentGOLD 11 months ago
@100PercentGOLD how is my nationality relevant to this? you may be canadian but that doesnt change anything... besides, you basically restated what i said
Dakashizzlenizzle 11 months ago
@Dakashizzlenizzle
Are you retarded? Do you understand English? Do you know how to read?
100PercentGOLD 11 months ago
@100PercentGOLD u mad?
Dakashizzlenizzle 11 months ago
@100PercentGOLD do you think all non asians are american?... lets see who is ignorant....americans make up 3% of the worlds white population mr.
photoman777777 9 months ago
@photoman777777
What's your problem? I never claimed anything you said.
100PercentGOLD 9 months ago
@Dakashizzlenizzle
You mean to say Maoist propaganda, you cannot compare China's poor attempt of communism to the theology as a whole.
NDPofNovaScotia 9 months ago
@NDPofNovaScotia It can never work anywhere because of human nature.
withtheoldbreed 9 months ago
@withtheoldbreed
Never say never, but capitalism certainly isn't doing us any good right now either, and I don't think you can deny that.
NDPofNovaScotia 9 months ago
@NDPofNovaScotia It never will happen. Atlases not peacefully. Capitalism does work. Unfortunately haven't had true Capitalism in America since Woodrow Wilson and the Creation of the Federal Reserve bank. Today we have Corprotism which is just as bad as Communism. The businesses that are best off are in bed with the government. We wouldn't be facing a Monetary collapse in the near future if the government actually followed the Constituion.
withtheoldbreed 9 months ago
@withtheoldbreed Our system is nowhere near as bad as Communism. Would you like to work for the government no matter what job you do? Would you like to own nothing? How about being told to work harder for the same pay? Or what about having to share the same pay with the man who does nothing while you're working your ass off? China's economy is less true Communist now. They're more Socialist. Even though our system isn't doing very well right now, I'd much rather have this than Communism.
Patbad73 9 months ago
@Patbad73 Yea, well we are getting there. Our system is rigged.. It's hard to succed when most of the business is controlled by monopolies and Corporations that are in bed with the government. It is imposible to have Austrian Economics when we their is a Massive Federal Reserve Bank that manipulates our currency and only the insiders get to know what they are doing... Why can't we Audit this unconstitutional Private Central Bank? Read Article 1 Section 8 line 5 of the Constitution.
withtheoldbreed 9 months ago
@withtheoldbreed
The constitution of the United States is irrelevant in the United States.
Rights are not rights when they can be taken away, and citizens of the United States have had their rights trampled by the government dozens upon dozens of times. If you need a more concrete example, read up on the internment of Japanese Americans during WW2.
Citizens of the United States were imprisoned for having been born in Japan or for having Japanese parents. No due process. No rights.
briantotse3 8 months ago
@briantotse3 Yep. The Government no longer takes it seriously. Nobody seems to care about the Constitution. A sacred document that our forefathers gave us so that we don't end up making the mistakes of the past and can truley live a free life. I think that our government and Americans should take it seriously. I think a lot of people are waking up. We need a competent leader like Ron Paul who actually follows the Constitution and has a superb voting record. We need to start unlocking minds!
withtheoldbreed 8 months ago
@withtheoldbreed
Our Constitution was written by wealthy capitalists and their lawyers, and it is designed to keep the rich in control. If the founding fathers loved the people so much, why did they forbid us from taking direct part in elections by creating the abomination that we call the electoral college? If they loved and trusted the people so much, why did they refuse to let us truly elect our leaders?
And why allow us to be represented as disproportionately as we are in the senate?
briantotse3 8 months ago
@briantotse3 Wow your absolutley wrong and have forgotten the spirit of 1776. The electoral college was created because they feared a tyrant person like Hitlar could manipulate the public to get into power. The electoral college served as a buffer to protect against this. It also was created so that small states could have a bigger say in the election.
withtheoldbreed 8 months ago
@briantotse3 Prior to the 17th Amendment senators were elected by the states, not by the people.The puropse of state elected senators was to give states a voice in Washington. States were supposed to be as powerful as the federal government.This is no longer true as states rights are rapidly being removed and usurped by the national government.If the 17th amendment never passed we wouldn't have issues with people like Blago trying to sell senate seats,and lobyists wouldn't get ahold of senators
withtheoldbreed 8 months ago
@withtheoldbreed
I think you mean "to give state legislators a voice".
It was simply another level of insulation between individual voters and decision makers. Rather than the people electing U.S. senators, they had to vote for representatives and then trust that they will carry out their wishes once they're elected.
Without the gubernatorial appointment of senators, you would not have senators trying to sell senate seats, but what is to stop their corruption once they're elected fairly?
briantotse3 8 months ago
@briantotse3 The American people were already allowed a voice in Washington through Congress. The States were supposed to have a voice in Washington through the Senate. The system worked perfectly fine. The founders new that Americans had jobs and would often be too busy to participate in electing competent leaders. They didn't want Americans to be bogged down in electing senators so they left that to the states.
withtheoldbreed 8 months ago
@withtheoldbreed
It is not as if the states are a seperate entity, and have seperate interests from the people who live there.
The difference between the senate and congress is that in congress, states with lots of people have more power than states with fewer people. In the senate, a smaller group of people can trump a larger group of people simply because of state boundaries. The senate is less representative of the American people, and is manipulated through corruption with greater ease.
briantotse3 8 months ago
@briantotse3 We are a Republic. Majority rules, but the Minority is supposed to be protected.
After the 17th Amendment passed states rights have been usurped by a far too powerful Federal Government. Texas wants to stop the TSA from groping. Too bad. The Feds say that if Texas passes the anti groping bill, that all the airports in Texas will be shut down. California legalizes medical marijuana. The Feds go into California and arrest the medical marijuana patients and put them in jail.
withtheoldbreed 8 months ago
@withtheoldbreed
The 17th amendment does not "protect the minority." It changed the process by which senators are elected or, in the case that a senator resigns/dies before the next election, chosen.
Separately, Article VI, Clause 2 of the United States constitution states that federal laws supersede state laws. This means that the federal law applies, regardless of state law. That was the case before and after the 17th amendment, and has nothing to do with how senators are elected.
briantotse3 8 months ago
@briantotse3 I never said the 17th amendment protects the minority. The 17th amendment contributed to the destruction of this nation. Federal Laws to Usurp state laws but the states have the right to nullify Federal Laws through the passage of state laws. You don't seem to understand how the 17th amendment has had a detrimental effect on our Republic. You need to understand the underlying differences between a Democracy and a Republic, and why the founders wanted us to be a Republic.
withtheoldbreed 8 months ago
@withtheoldbreed
I know what the 17th amendment is.
I would like you to explain how a change in the manner of how senators are elected has anything to do with the difference between a Democracy and a Republic.
Democracy means that people vote directly. Laws, presidents, etc, are all directly decided by the people. Republic means they elect representatives.
States cannot legally nullify federal laws, due to the supremacy clause, which states that all federal laws supersede all state laws.
briantotse3 8 months ago
@briantotse3 I'm assuming you view the United States as a representitive democracy. It is not. Congress gave the citizens a say in the legislative branch, while senate gave the states a voice. What was the point of stripping the states voice and pretty much making the senate a smaller congress? Do you support the 17th amendment?
States do have a right to nullify. Look up the Kentucky Resolutions and Jefferson.. In modern days however, they are almost always struck down by big government.
withtheoldbreed 8 months ago
@withtheoldbreed
Explain the difference between the voice of individual states and the voice of the citizens of those states. When a state wants something in Washington, it is because the people who live there want that thing.
The point of the senate was to level the playing field between states with large populations, like California, and states with small ones, like Rhode Island or Vermont, making it so that small groups of people can have the same political weight as big ones.
briantotse3 8 months ago
@withtheoldbreed
I have to say, when you keep arguing that "the states" and the people who live there share separate interests and need separate representation, it makes you sound like you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
If you look at congressmen and senators from the same state, you can bet that they'll usually match up (Disregarding political differences between districts) in terms of their opinions on the issues. Senators and Congressmen are elected by the same people.
briantotse3 8 months ago
@briantotse3 The popularity contest is for Congressmen. It shouldn't be for the Senate. The Senate should be elected by local state governments, not people. The purpose was so people didn't have to constantly worry about who they were voting for and didn't fall for false promises the politicians made. I no longer feel it is worth my time to argue with you.
withtheoldbreed 8 months ago
@withtheoldbreed
So you're saying that there should be two houses in congress: One to represent the will of the people, and the other to represent the will of those governing the people? That is what you just said, isn't it?
No wonder you no longer "feel the need" to argue this point. You're a pathetic individual with ridiculous beliefs. To think that the government itself SHOULD have it's OWN opinions is absurd. Go educate yourself before taking part in an argument such as this ever again.
briantotse3 8 months ago
@briantotse3 Okay I will post again... However I will not stoop to your level and throw insults..
The SENATE was ment to represente STATES governments. That is how it was intended. You need to understand how federalism was set up. I'm not sure if you are aware of this or not, but the legislators who elect the state senators were, infact, elected by the people. You vote for your state represenitives, and then they vote for the state senator..
withtheoldbreed 8 months ago
@briantotse3 If you are so up in arms about elected state legislators, electing senators to represent the state in DC, then how is electing congressmen to vote for laws acceptable to you? Believe me, I don't trust government at all today. I know it is very corrupt, i see how the ATF gives guns to Mexican drug cartels and blames the brutality on the 2nd amendment. But the system the founding fatheres created was the best. The system still would be working great if we actually followed it.
withtheoldbreed 8 months ago
@briantotse3 And how can you trust anything that came about under the Wilson Administration? His presiedency set the decline of America. The unconstitutional federal reserve banking cartel came about under him. The IRS came about under him. He put us in WW1 after getting elected based on the fact that he said he wouldn't deploy troops to Europe. Even on his death bed he said he felt sorry for destroying our country by handing the power to create money to private banking cartells.
withtheoldbreed 8 months ago
@withtheoldbreed
How did you go from arguing over the meaning and effects 14th amendment to Woodrow Wilsons presidency?
Why don't you stop dodging questions and throwing red-herrings and say something relevant to the topic at hand? Do you or do you not subscribe to the idea that the state governments should hold different interests, goals and beliefs than the people living in those states?
briantotse3 8 months ago
@briantotse3 I am arguing about the 17th amendment which was passed under the Wilson Administration. I do not subscribe to the idea that state governments should hold different views than the people. The people elect the state legislators who then elected the senator. If the Americans dislike the senator they vote out the old state legislators and elect new ones who then appoint a new senator that represents there views and the views of the state.
withtheoldbreed 8 months ago
@briantotse3 If you are angry about people electing state legislators to vote for senators, why are you not mad about electing congressmen to vote for new laws?
I know you think that the founders are racist and evil and just wanted to coat there pockets with gold, but they were correct when setting up the federalist system. The 17th amendment left a deep void in the system and has allowed the government to centralize very fast over the past 100 years.
withtheoldbreed 8 months ago
@briantotse3 The 17th Amendment should be repealed. This would reinstate the states’ linkage to the federal political process and would, thereby, have the effect of elevating the present status of the state legislatures from that of lobbyists, to that of a partner in the federal political process.The state legislatures would then have the ability to decentralize power when appropriate.
withtheoldbreed 8 months ago
@withtheoldbreed
You are wrong.
briantotse3 7 months ago
@briantotse3 Care to tell me why?
withtheoldbreed 7 months ago
@withtheoldbreed
Because you are mistaken as to the effects of that amendment and as to why it should or should not be repealed.
If you feel the need to again ask "why", then you should re-read our conversation.
Or you could actually read about the amendment and learn for yourself why you are wrong.
briantotse3 7 months ago
@briantotse3 I know about the amendment. I know the Constitution. Perhaps you should re-read it and study it because you are mistaken in thinking that the election of senators by the state legislature was in place to keep rich and corrupt politicians in power. If that was the case than wouldn't the direct election of senators have kept us out of this shit hole we are now in?
withtheoldbreed 7 months ago
@NDPofNovaScotia Excuse my iPhones worthless autocorrect.
withtheoldbreed 9 months ago
@Dakashizzlenizzle you think?
utar88utar 9 months ago
They are smarter than you would think. They know what it is and they also know what their government would do to them after this show if they admitted it,..... 1 bullet each to the base of the skull.
hawkdaddy138 1 year ago
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Do your western think he can beat the tank? what will happen on him, if he is in USA or canada? He will dead very urgly for sure. The PLA(people's liberation army) really love his people. That 's all this picture show to us.
steve200003 1 year ago
Do your western think he can beat the tank? what will happen on him, if he is in USA or canada? He will dead very urgly for sure. The PLA(people's liberation army) really love his people. That 's all this picture show to us.
----From canada
steve200003 1 year ago
On the contrary, I think they could guess what that picture is about, but imagine what would happen to them (and their family) if they say they knew and then the footage somehow gets transmitted to the Chinese authority?? Bye bye Beijing university!!
Jubinell 1 year ago
wow they no nothing of what happend
yoshypoo 1 year ago
these are the people that Tank Man did this for, but....ruled by secretive, manipulative oppressive beasts...they don't even know what it means. China is such a sad, sad place with its history and what its govt does to its people. There are 1.3 billion of you, and you won't stand up or stand together to demand what is right?
Even sadder..
BrEnNo1023 1 year ago
western propaganda bullshit
mcgainey 1 year ago
one whos educated only in school is an uneducated person. !! - some wise guy..
deepakjindal070 1 year ago
The name of that man was VAng Vajlin
hekii88 1 year ago
They said that the boy whispered "89". Obviously he knows about it, they're probably afraid of what might happen to them if they go on a documentary, talking about such an event with the government sitting next to them during the interview.
CaptainRed 1 year ago 5
when it comes down to it, most american students dont know about this either. nor do they know about the essentially genocidal policies against native americans the American government has condoned.
pigchickencow 1 year ago 3
@pigchickencow: We have Native Americans living among us, as well as MANY different information sources that chronicle that genocide, so the two things don't really parallel, nor does the American student apathy somehow diminish what is being shown here.
mowgli2071 1 year ago
@mowgli2071 im not defending this massacre. but we dont explicitly teach our students about our less than noble actions. yes, at least the information is available, but public schools dont come out and teach it.
pigchickencow 1 year ago
@pigchickencow: I went to public school, and I know about it. Then again I didn't go in, say, [screams] TEXAS (Yes texas, I'm talking about your board of education. You should all be ashamed, you morons!), or one of those other red-jingo states (or is it: red jingo-states?).
mowgli2071 1 year ago
@mowgli2071 im in public school. in illinois. in high school. i get A's. they don't explicitly teach it. it isn't in the cirriculum.
pigchickencow 1 year ago
@pigchickencow: I've been thinking about the pro-democracy demonstrations, and noticed another difference. If something on this scale happened here in the U.S., in Washington D.C., we wouldn't be trying to remove all access to traces of it on the web. Also a question: There are two books that I found very interesting, Howard Zinn's "A People's history of the United States", and James Loewen's "Lies My Teacher Told Me". Have you read them? If not I highly recommend them.
mowgli2071 1 year ago
@pigchickencow i learned about all of this in 8th grade or freshman year. Some ditzy bitches give all americans a bad name. I know every event that went on in the events u have mentioned. I have watched the tank man documentary. I know about the trail of tears and americanization
MagnumPI4 1 year ago
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those who do not know history will see it repeat itself.
hAfrolocks 1 year ago 3
@hAfrolocks Wise words my friend.
SpazzyNoodle 1 year ago
if we want the japanese government to recognize their bloody invasion back in the world war 2, the chinese govenment should first recognize their brutal supression against civilians
yhc25 1 year ago
More and more chinese students are coming to HK to study university.
i hope they can know what happened in the past.
ahkwing 1 year ago
You fools need to come to Hong Kong and learn a subject called "History"!
pplareppl 1 year ago
@AndreasVar Totally nonsense...
pplareppl 1 year ago