Sherman was the only union general who knew how to win the war, and that was by completely destroying the south's ability to fight and crushing their fighting will
"If the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking."
“[Our situation] illustrates the American idea that governments rest on the consent of the governed, and that it is the right of the people to alter or abolish them whenever they become destructive of the ends for which they were established.”
-Jefferson Davis
"The American people, North and South, went into the [Civil] war as citizens of their respective states, they came out as subjects … what they thus lost they have never got back." – H.L. Mencken
Although my sympathies are with the CSA, I have to admit Sherman was, arguably, the best general the Union had. in the late ante bellum period, he and Robert E Lee recognized better than the politicians on either side just what the war would cost both sides.
@toefur69 Don't forget tyrants who kept fellow humanbeings in bondage, feeding off of the backs of their sufferage, but the Union set them straight... heh heh.
Uh, I don't know. It an't Sherman. Uncle Billy here ended that war quicker than anything and looked after his boys. So. . I have no idea who you're talking about.
@Mahbu yeah sure a man who burned down a sity killed inocent civilians raped and beat slaves yeah ok im sure hes in heaven with george washington and other great leaders yankee scum
See, whenever I hear shit like that I want to punch you and the guy who told you that because that is exaggerated mythical bullshit.
Sherman did not beat up blacks. The incident you're thinking of wasn't even a case of orders, it was an accident. Sherman didn't rape anyone nor did he order any rape. In fact, all sides recognize the significantly low number of civilian casaulties. IE there were very few if any. (turn to next comment)
In fact, Sherman didn't even give the order to burn Atlanta and in reality only 30% at most was burnt.
The only scum is you who allows yourself to be deceived by lost cause bullshit because his ancestors were defeated and humiliated (which is deserved for being on the wrong side).
Few things done in War are pretty. War is first and foremost, about destroying your enemy and breaking his spirit.
It is pretty much common knowledge that he was somewhat of a lunatic, and may have very well enjoyed his job more then a saner man would..but he understood his job and the cold, brutal efficiency that it required.
@lewkev "The Union was formed by the voluntary agreement of the States; and these, in uniting together, have not forfeited their Nationality, nor have they been reduced to the condition of one and the same people. If one of the States chose to withdraw its name from the contract, it would be difficult to disprove its right of doing so' … – Alex de Tocqueville, Democracy In America
Shooting a teller, blowing up a parking lot, selling children into slavery...this is total nonsense. This sounds more like your beloved Sherman. I won't even comment on the rest of the post because it goes from idiotic, to ridiculous, to uneducated. Sherman's famous march to the sea was nothing more than a campaign of plunder. He had no honor or dignity. He is not revered as a hero by Civil War scholars, and he is generally thought of with disdain. Post intelligent thoughts in the future.
I would've used "Marching Through Georgia" which is public domain BTW. But Sherman said "War is Hell", or something like that. He in fact spared cities and towns which surrendered , e.g Savannah GA. Little known fact is that Savannah and places around it were against secession since they saw it as a disaster in the making. They were right of course, and the town more than happy to surrender.
One irony of the war was that Vicksburg was also against secession. But Grant had to besiege it.
This guy's my great, great, great, great (great?) grandfather on my father's side. My father is a spitting image of him, the similarity is astonishing. I've always agreed with his philosophy that if you're going to fight a war, go all out. Nothing half-assed. War's terrible, so do whatever's necessary to get it over with as quick as possible. Many many see that as ruthless and uncaring, but that's what war is.
[again talking about Indians"during an assault, the soldiers can not pause to distinguish between male and female, or even discriminate as to age"
"The more Indians we can kill this year, the less will have to be killed next year, They all have to be killed or be maintained as a species of paupers."
Men were rightfully sentenced to death and executed at Nuremberg for less than what this man did. He was a war criminal plain and simple.
“we must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux, even to the extermination of men, women, and children.” William T. Sherman
The more Indians we can kill this year the fewer we will need to kill the next, because the more I see of the Indians the more convinced I become that they must either all be killed or be maintained as a species of pauper. Their attempts at civilization is ridiculous... Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman
i love how everyone also yells at sherman when they offer little to nothing on andrew jackson who made the trail of tears happen and almost started and three way war don't get me wrong though he was one hell of a man, jackson, for all his bad things he had his good parts
you couldent put in the hymn of the republic my friend? this is kinda like propaganda no offense to you it just seems so. the galactic empire is based of nazi germany
Most of the things southerners say about Sherman are untrue. All over Georgia you'll find plaques on old houses claiming that that the land had been burnt by Sherman, but only about half of them are anywhere near where Sherman went through. Sherman was highly successful on waging war on the south. This is the reason he is so hated there. He treated southerners far more kindly than they deserved.
If there is one man i hate in history above all others, it is Sherman. Surely, of all the men who fought in the civil war, Sherman is the most evil and despicable. Rot in hell Sherman you fucking coward, Robert E. Lee may have fought for slavery but at least he was a man of principle and character.
>Robert E. Lee may have fought for slavery but at least he was a man of principle and character.
Behold. Southern cognitive dissonance at its finest. It is to LOL.
Someday I am going to find out where Bobby Lee is buried, piss in a plastic Coke bottle, stick it in my pocket, and -- when no one is looking -- pour it out, while I take pictures. Then I'll be able to post photographic evidence that I PISSED ON ROBERT E LEE'S GRAVE.
@Rivenshield You will then be promptly arrested for vandalism and, unable to afford bail, you will go to jail. Imagine the delicious buttrape the other inmates will have with you!
damn die hard federalist much? don't get me wrong i am all for the union but isent that abit disrespectful for a guy who fought in the american-mexican war? if you want to laugh at the south point out how their generals turned into "Yankees" and fought against the spanish for us
Go Sherman!!! If the north would have used Sherman's tactics earlier in the War. The south would beg the north for mercy! Oh, well, all that's important is the south DID eventually BEG for the mercy of the north.
So SHERMAN was bending over backwards to get the women and children out of the way. Hood was shitting his pants to keep the women and children there as a shield for pussy Hood.
Funny how fucking Hood, Lee, Davis, the whole bunch of fuck tards, GLADLY had women and children in the middle of slave auctions, they actually TORTURED young slave girls and sold infants.
Hood was HIDING behind the women and c hildren--- as soon as Sherman moved them out of the way, Hood ran like a pussy.
You can take your money out of the bank too -- but you cant shoot the teller, blow up the parking lot, and sell the children you find there into slavery.
See the difference?
You didn't secede legally any more than a rapist has legal sex with his victim.
You hung voters, attacked 12 forts, threatened the capital, pirated the seas. You were violent hateful Taliban like bullies who got your ass kicked.
You have been crying about it like pussies for 150 years
@FilmCriticOne Well said. It's surprising to see a comment from someone who knows their history on here. Usually one sees fantasies and mythology mixed with homespun "wisdom". They were the worst enemies the USA ever had, and it was for the general improvement of humanity that their kind were defeated.
If anyone wants sources for what FilmCriticOne says, see Southern Rights, a book on the Constitutional issues around the Confederacy.
@FilmCritic your a dumb ass, i hope the peace of stinking garbage is burning in hell, and all his followers, his seeds should be wiped from the face of the earth along with abe's family
@FilmCritic your a dumb ass, i hope the peace of stinking garbage is burning in hell, and all his followers, his seeds should be wiped from the face of the earth along with abe's family
@FilmCriticOne "If [the Declaration of Independence] justifies the secession from the British empire of 3,000,000 of colonists in 1776, we do not see why it would not justify the secession of 5,000,000 of Southrons from the Federal Union in 1861". – New York Tribune, December 17, 1860
@FilmCriticOne The error is in the assumption that the General Government is a party to the constitutional compact. The States … formed the compact, acting as sovereign and independent communities. – John C. Calhoun
Darth Vader music is appropriate for William T Sherman. Good personal friend of General Grant was seen as the US equivalent of Stonewall Jackson. Led the drive on Atlanta and Savannah known as "Sherman's march to the sea"; plundering and burning everything in his wake. Still seen as a war criminal by modern pro Confederate thinkers.
@bookkeeper57 nonsense idiot. Sherman not only didn't murder - he personally saw to it -- and tried to get HOod to cooperate -- to move women and children out of the way.
The truth is, Hood was hiding BEHIND the women and children, and shit his pants when Sherman wanted them out of the way. As soon as SHERMAN moved the women and chilren out of the way, the Southern soldiers ran like pussies, and burned the city on their way out.
@FilmCriticOne Can you cite your sources please? Naturally the South demonized a successful Union general. Hood was not known for being a coward who sacrificed women and kids, though. So can you enlighten us? Appreciated ~
@bookkeeper57 Sure -- read Hood's letter to Sherman, and sherman's responses.
Sherman's comments to Hood are astonishing prose, considering they were written in heat of battle, without pretense or frivilous verbage. No one has yet written a better synopsis of the war..
What did Hood do once Sherman helped the women and children out of the way? HE RAN. He ran like a pussy. Hood ran as fast as Lee and Davis ran from RIchmond.
@bookkeeper57 I don't know about "my keeping" or what you mean.
The exchange bewteen Hood and Sherman is available online in a number of places. I just googled --- Hood Sherman letter exchange, and the entire paper trail is laid bare in the first listing, on three w, civilwarhomedot com/atlantaevacuation.htm
@FilmCriticOne ...oh I know history...and you would not have seen the day that J.B. Hood would have hid from anyone no less a pig like Sherman....Sherman is on the same level as a Saddam Hussein....he should have been hung and would have if the South prevailed.
@RonRepublican you stupid fuck -- they SHOULD have burned not just the South, but the SOLDIERS to death. They should have given you fucks the "justice" you gave others who rebelled against you -- slaves.
The South was hardly touched, dumb fuck. Sherman took it way to easy. You fucks are still crying about this shit -- when what little was done to your ass, YOU brought on, and deserved 1000 times worse.
@bobbya16 im a southerner and your a Dumb ass, it's people like you that make it hard to bring truth to the light an keep our flags flying in public area's,so if you want to help keep your thought's to your self Jack wagon
@000006ify ....You're a Southerner? Big Deal....you sound more like a jerk off to me...and by the way Ill what I want when ever the fuck I want....Jack Off
History was re-written by the victors, the North. Sherman allowed his men to rape and kill innocent women and children among other barbaric acts. Sherman called for the extermination of Jewish people, American Indians and certainly had no love for blacks. Some of you need to delve a little deeper into actually historical accounts before you believe the lies the Progressives have propagated.
@33MarciS Sorry fuck tard -- the South has written 20 times as many books about the war and the aftermath. The Pussy South has completely covered up the essential truth about slavery, about how the South was a Nazi like hell hole from 1820 on -- with total government control of what WHITES could read, write, say, hear.
Your soldiers were pussies, your leaders ran away -- Davis ran away in a dress. Lee tortured children. You fucks covered up all that -- and much, much more.
@DontTrustTaxCons I just wish Sherman had burned all of Charleston and all of Louisiana making sure he destroyed every last damn plantation house in sight.I really do feel its a shame to allow them to exist in this country,they are symbols,emblems of oppression and the most savage treatment of man on the North American continent.
@vernontrumpet2000 I wish he had given all the land to the blacks, and driven the whites off. Let the whites be slaves. They said slavery was right --let them BE the slaves. The bible has slaves, that were the losers in war. Fine. Let them, the losers in the war, be the slaves, of the victors. They said they believed in that.
@33MarciS Sherman was suspicious of everyone, none more than the press who followed his army wherever they went. He called them "spies" and regularly threw them out of camp.
Sherman took it way too easy on Southern Pussies.
The Southern scum were great at torturing women, selling children. If men fought back against slavery, the South burned them to death. Hear that? Burned slaves to death, or had dogs eat them alive.
Sherman should have done that to the South -- given the scum pussies their own "justice". Burn to death the men who fought back, torture the women, sell the babies, and enslave the rest.
@razorslice17 Wrong: he was hailed as a conquering hero by black slaves who ran to him for refuge. He replenished his rank and file with deserting slaves, who called him "Uncle Billy".
It's really very simple: Sherman did what he HAD to do to end that terrible war. He stripped war of all of its romance and served it up on a platter for the South as pure hell. It hastened the end of the war. And when the guns ceased firing, he offered far more generous terms to Johnston than Grant did to Lee. Love him or hate him, Sherman understood modern warfare as ugly and despicable- and a strong motive to work to avoid it.
@Thx1138d ...He was a piece of shit....Its Gen. Sherman, that makes me ashamed Im from the North....I hope he is rotting in hell.....by the way, thx1138 was the absolute worst movie Ive ever seen...
@Thx1138d ....he was a scumbag pig he was a war criminal ...just look at the way Gen. Lee is respected and loved and then look at the way Sherman(I refuse to call him Gen.) is looked upon....he was a piece of shit...get over it...
Davis said God delivered the Negro to "our hands" to enslave. Davis also said the South would invade the North, capturer the blacks there and turn them into slaves, and make the entire US a slave nation. I suggest you read Davis real speeches -shit the south has hidden for 150 years./
Sherman knew how to win a war , by punching the gut of your enemy , total war and strategic destruction, the shock and awe of his day. you have to degrade your enemy's civil will to fight and it will spread to the soldiers, a kind of force multiplier for the union army. Thank you sherman!
Sherman offered you again and again, truces so you could move or stop the war, or anything. Hood wrote to Sherman complaining how he was getting women and children in the way of war -- Sherman wrote back, saying, well Hood - stop hiding behind your women and children then. And it was the SOUTHERN soldiers who burned most things in Richmond Atlanta etc
@FarceTax It's almost funny, but certainly sad that you probably really do believe this.
Think if Stonewall Jackson invaded Philadelphia, burned the city to a smoldering ruin, then forced the evacuation of the remaining 2,000 citizens just as winter was coming on. You and the court historians of today would regard Jackson as the worst war criminal in history.
Pat dumb fuck - you better study Atalana campaign a little better before you cry like a pussy about how you fucks were treated. Go read Hood's pussy letter to Sherman, and how Sherman responded. Classic. Hood was complaining of Sherman getting women and children involved in the war -- Sherman pretty much said, "Well dumb fuck, quit hiding behind your women and children then -- you fucks started this, and you can end it anytime, So quit yer bitchin ya pussy"
Pat Jackson was no war criminal. In fact, other than Davis and Lee and Bedford Forrest, I don't know any others who should have been hung that were not. (Only one was hung).
If Jackson resigned when he first heard of the planned coup against Washington -- then fine. But Lee not only heard of the coup, he stayed in US uniform for months, and even accepted a promotion to colonel, while in on the plan, which was clearly treason, according to his own oath.
Lee stayed in uniform for months AFTER he met with Davis and planned - or knew of -- the plan for a military overthrow of the US government. Other men resigned immediately -- would not stay in US uniform after they knew of the coming overthrow. Lee, however, stayed in unifrom AFTER he knew about the plan. He therefore was guilty of treason -- go see the oath he took, if you don't believe me. His oath was to the PRESIDENT --against all opponents.
@rebel2276 left alone? That's like Hitler saying he wanted to be left alone.
Here is what Lee wanted - to whip slave girls and scream at them - cause he did. To sell infants away from their mother - cause he did. To get rich on the pain and torture of others - cause he did. To terrorize children and sell even his OWN children from rape into slavery - cause he did/
Reb -- did you fucking read the Davis speech yet? Davis saying slavery was the cornerstone?? Did you read his speech in Macon -- that 2/3 of the Confederate soldiers had deserted?
@12FlyMe No I have all of your Fifty Screen names blocked. I have gone over and over and over and over the same things with you. Since you do not want to pay attention, I am not going to waste anymore time with you.
I drove all the way to St Louis at Calvary Cemetary in Missouri City where Sherman was buried... Then I PISSED ALL OVER HIS GRAVE AND TOMBSTONE.... Fuck you Billy yank for what you did to Atlanta ....you'll always be a coward and war criminal ..
@bigwhitebear1 My sister lives near Marietta, which means I've had the grievous misfortune to have been stuck in Atlanta traffic--I think you should have christened the I-285 loop instead!
@galoon I know traffic is sinister in Atlanta... But if I can help that southern gem of a city in any way , I'd be glad to ... If you get a chance, go the "Confederama" there and check out the art work of the battle of Atlanta...it's sacred...truly a phenomenon ....Good day to you Sir..
@bigwhitebear1 I've seen the Atlanta cyclorama--which is an excellent work of art. Sadly, except for Kennesaw Mountain, Atlanta's battlefields have been swallowed up. To me the real gems are places like Resaca and Chickamauga, although Atlanta is a fun city where there's plenty to see and do. I live near Charleston--many of the important Civil War sites here are gone, too. We lost Secessionville to development and Morris Island to erosion.
If Sherman had not had been so severe that egotistical madman Lee probably would have continued to fight an unwinable war, wasting and wasting and wasting so many
lives because he thougt he was doing a "Godly" thing. Sherman was like a Hiroshima bomb, nasty, but necessary.
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Grant was a hero, no doubt about that.Robert E. Lee surrendered,, but fought battles that are still taught today. But Sherman was a blood sucking animal.
Sherman was one of the few genuine geniuses to emerge from the Civil War. While most of the Southern leadership were captives to the spell of Napoleonic warfare, Sherman anticipated the features of Total War that were to prevail in the 20th Century. The outcome of any conflict must be decided by the conclusive application of superior force. The South didnt know what hit them!
He is biased, but in making this comment, he's right. The South had no problem with using Federal power to protect and expand slavery with their passage of the Fugitive Slave Act and the Dred Scott decision. And it had no problem with using that Federal power to trample the rights of Northern states to refuse to support an institution that was illegal within their borders.
And today's political atmosphere isn't strictly North vs.South anymore--in 2004 Ohio and Indiana voted for Bush; in 2008 Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida voted for Obama.
I agree 110% with you. Reason Virginia and North Carolina went Democrat, many Northern Virginians moved down into North Carolina. People get sick of the traffic in Northern Virginia.
If you look back on the 2004 election, Virginia came very close to going democrat. Northern Virginia and the rest of Virginia are very different.
That's a good point! I had the misfortune of being stuck on that damn beltway for hours on my way to Gettysburg a while back. When people migrate to other states in large numbers, they tend to change the political atmosphere. I'm sure Charlotte was a big factor in NC, too. And as you said the rest of Virginia is pretty conservative, much like the Midwestern states like Ohio and Indiana--which are mostly rural.
Thanks! I think that's pretty much the Dred Scott case in a nutshell. He sued for his freedom based on the fact that he'd been in Illinois (a free state) with his master for years. The decision was predictable for 1857 with the pro-slavery Supreme Court, but today it would be like ruling in favor of someone who brought medicinal marijuana into a state where it's illegal!
~UnionStatesHeritage~, since you are laughing at my ~Deo Vindice~ comment, are you also laughing at the fact that a Union victory meant that the Federal government would become the master, as opposed to the servant of the people?
Trying to connect the Civil War with modern political issues ain't gonna fly. Two separate era's...however...the election of 1860 WAS a voters rebellion against Southern political domination. A point that Confederate Heritage takes great pains to ignore.
The past administration of the Dubaya, saw a massive expansion of Federal power. Bush was fully supported by Southern voters...and opposed by the Northeast.
Southerners LOVE the power of the FED, when they are in control.
~UnionStatesHeritage~, the fact that the Federal government became the ~master~ is by no means just a ~modern~ political issue. Lincoln's `forced Union~ was the beginning of the end of ~states' rights~. The Federal government was never intended to be a ~master~ ...
States rights is alive and well. During the Bush Administration, Massachusetts approved gay marriage, and New England and California both defied the Fed, and passed their own clean air acts.
Whether you agree with those decisions or not, they represent the states exercising their sovereignty.
Federal Government is far from being a master.
Just an attempt to hitch a dead horse onto a fresh bandwagon.
For anyone on here who puts down Lee, the fact is that he believed that war should only be made against armed men, not unarmed civilians. The total opposite of Sherman who had no regard for the civilian population as he pillaged and plundered ...
Lee's army abused, terrorized, and deported Pennsylvania's African-American civilian population. They were rounded up like cattle, and marched South, as captives.
Lee had to be aware of the CSA's policy of dispossessing, and/or murdering white Southern Unionists who defied Confederate occupation of their states, and whose men fought for the Union.
And there it is. Confederate Heritage stripped of its politically correct posturing, right down to its corrupt center.
BTW...many were not. I understand that one of the Civil War publications actually posted an account of the brutal torture that one of those captives was subjected to. That's something I'm anxious to lay my hands on...and share with others.
To judge Sherman we must look at his whole time in the war. At 1st Bull Run he had a brigade (13th NY, 2nd Wis, 79th NY and 69th NY). Sherman put just two of his regiments in and the other two moved up when the first fell back. That was the Union's problem at 1st Bull Run. All Union commanders put their men in piecemeal.
Sherman did great at Fort Pulaski. But when Sherman took over for BG Robert Anderson in Kentucky, he had a nervous breakdown. He was so worried that he was outnumbered.
Sherman should share a lot of the responsibility for Shiloh's defeat on day one. He did not take Colonel Jesse Appler's advice and scolded him and even made fun of him.
Grant put up no defenses at all, no cavalry out on patrol and he got caught with his pants down.
Sherman did horrible at Chickasaw Bluff, MS. He did fine on land against Johnston at Jackson, MS. Sherman had 120,000 men to start the Atlanta Campaign, while Johnston could count 60,000. So I am never impressed by Grant/Sherman.
I agree on Shiloh; Sherman and Grant were caught with their pants down. Sherman told Jesse Appler to "take his damn regiment back to Ohio." The worst thing they did was place the green regiments closest to the front at the encampment! Sherman shows up much better as a strategist than a tactician. Part of his strategic genius was the use of feints to confuse the enemy. In the Carolinas he feinted simultaneously at Augusta and Charleston, forcing Hardee/Beauregard to cover both with (con't.)
their 30,000 men. Sherman then went between this divided force and took Columbia, which also cut Charleston off, forcing its evacuation. This prevented the Confederates from reuniting and attacking him--30,000 CS troops were thus made just as impotent as if they'd been defeated in battle--and they lost 2 cities. Beauregard then deployed at Chester, to cover Charlotte. Sherman again feinted toward him, then went to Cheraw and into NC. He thus took SC out of the war without a major battle!
Hampton wanted to defend South Carolina and that took a whole Cavalry division away from Lee. They should have concentrated in Virginia instead of trying to cover Va and Sc.
It sure would have been one hell of an army! I think it was D.H. Hill who once said that "Confederate infantry, fighting side by side with Federal artillery, need fear no foe on Earth."
@galoon, Well we are out of South Korea and back in Afghanistan. While in South Korea, I gave the men a 48 hour pass. So a few of the officers and I went out to downtown Seoul. We were walking around and I came across a small used book store. I thought I would see if the old Korean gentleman had any Civil War books. Sure enough he did, not many but several excellent books. All first editions as well. "Richmond Redeemed" by Dr. Sommers, and "The Gleam of Bayonets" by Murfin. Great find!
@rebel2276 That is a terrific find! And in Seoul, of all places! I've never read either one of those; I've heard of "The Gleam of Bayonets", though. Used bookstores are always fun to look through. I've always found good stuff while looking through the ones here in Charleston. I had no idea you'd been in the Army for as long as you have! Cheers, Rebel--take care
@galoon@galoon, Murfin was an excellent historian and any of his books are a must have. Now "Richmond Redeemed" by Dr. Sommers is about Grant's fifth offensive during the Petersburg Campaign. That would embrace, the capture of Fort Harrison and attacking Lee on the far Union left. The time period was late September, 1864.
@rebel2276 I'd like to read all of these! The one on Grant's fifth Petersburg offensive sounds particularly good--so this was about a month after the Battle of the Crater. Petersburg on the whole was a violent campaign--from what I've read so far, the ANV was VERY well-supplied with uniforms and equipment for most of it. I'll read everything I can find on Murfin--again, I appreciate the info!
@galoon Grant lost at least 42,000 men and Lee lost around 28,000. Now I doubt that would include, deserters, sick, etc.
Grant had to have lost at least, 125,000 men from May 1st, 1864 to April 9th, 1865. Grant lost 60,000 men in the first two months (May-June). 42,000 during the Petersburg Campaign. 11,500 during the Appomattox Campaign as well.
As far as the books, your best bet is to try Ebay. You will not find those books at your local book store. Try used book stores as well!
Neither were anything without a big army or navy behind them.
Let us imagine if Sherman had 60,000 men and Joe Johnston with 120,000 men at the start of the Atlanta Campaign. Or Grant with 65,000 vs Lee with 125,000.
If Grant and Sherman could pull off victories against that, I would crown them supreme commanders.
I assume you mean if Grant/Sherman were on the defending side with the numbers reversed. They wouldn't be crazy enough to mount an offensive campaign while being outnumbered 2:1. Neither would Lee or Johnston. I would bet that Grant/Sherman would have been able to win on the defensive with those numbers--the basic fact is that the rifled musket made the defender twice as powerful as the attacker, as I've said before. In any case, Johnston was losing the Atlanta Campaign because of (con't.)
Sherman's strategic (rather than tactical) ability. He continuously flanked Johnston's left and threatened his railroad and his rear, forcing him to withdraw without the need of expensive frontal assaults like the overrated Grant was making in Virginia.
Sherman did, just what I would have done. Send one Corps to the left and one Corps to the right. It worked fine, till Sherman stopped to fight. Kennesaw Mountain was a waste and Sherman should have known better.
Yes, Yes, I 110% agree Grant should have done the same thing, just outflank Lee. Why attack his prepared defenses??? Any fool could have done that.
I believe if Lee had 125,000 men to Grant's 65,000. Lee would have done what he always did, outflank Grant and maybe go back over the Potomac River again. Who knows, just a fantasy.
BTW, all you Yankees who support the vileness of Sherman, go ahead and thumbs down my comments against him, cause I have my own vids showing what a Lincoln supported terrorist he was, so there!
I agree with you, but many won't. Those many don't read enough or dig deep enough. It is a good thing the Union won, because Sherman certainly would have been hung. Along with many more war criminals.
You ever get a chance, go to Columbia, South Carolina. Go to their archives and ask for the "Rape Letters". There will be hundreds from white SC ladies and black female servants/slaves.
So when I read anyone typing in here, that no Southerner women were raped, I just point out the source.
We've already been through this subject. As I've pointed out. The CSA used rape as a cover for justifying their own atrocities against captured Union POWs. Whether they were bummers or not.
Therefore, I'm fairly skeptical. Again WHO compiled this information? What was the purpose? When was it compiled?
You claim to be some information guru, is has so much inside knowledge unavailable to us poor peons (such people usually do).
When I comment on the atrocities committed against black Federals, you claim that it was just a scare tactic, and the CSA never carried out such actions. I go ONLINE for less than an hour, and find an exchange of correspondence between opposing commanders, documenting exactly what you claim rarely or never happened...
I point out the incident, and you justify the incident as valid under the laws of the South, then claim surprise that more incidents of that nature did not take place. Huh.
You seem blissfully unaware that Southern Unionists existed at all, despite a fair amount of data on the subject.
Ditto, the fact that some of Sherman's bummers were Southerners themselves, who were paying back Confederates for the atrocities committed against them, at the start of the war.
Of course, whenever anyone points out such things, you tell them that YOUR information is more valid, because of your connections.
Well, the reality is that none of this is rocket science. Anyone can research who has half a brain. I'm amazed at the things I can find, just by looking through obscure volumes on Google Books. Letters, documents, eyewitness accounts, etc.
Are you not the hypocrite? Least I am proud of my family that fought on both sides. You just spit on your Southern ancestors that fought for the South.
Those same Southerners that probably owned slaves, lol
Those ancestors were traitors. Period. They are undeserving of my respect. In the same way, ancestors who were bank robbers, murderers, etc, would be undeserving of my respect.
Ancestor worship is one of the first signs of a culture that has become weak and decadent.
Sherman was the only union general who knew how to win the war, and that was by completely destroying the south's ability to fight and crushing their fighting will
"If the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war, and not popularity seeking."
Erok48 1 week ago
"My aim then was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us."
-Gen. W.T. Sherman
zaku1868 1 month ago
“[Our situation] illustrates the American idea that governments rest on the consent of the governed, and that it is the right of the people to alter or abolish them whenever they become destructive of the ends for which they were established.”
-Jefferson Davis
"The American people, North and South, went into the [Civil] war as citizens of their respective states, they came out as subjects … what they thus lost they have never got back." – H.L. Mencken
MemphisSpanker 2 months ago
Although my sympathies are with the CSA, I have to admit Sherman was, arguably, the best general the Union had. in the late ante bellum period, he and Robert E Lee recognized better than the politicians on either side just what the war would cost both sides.
MemphisSpanker 2 months ago
let's have a war today and see what happen's yankee scum!!!
714jada 3 months ago
i would piss and spit on Sherman's grave fuck him!!!!
714jada 3 months ago
R I P (Rot In Piss) Rebel scum! The rebels were nothing but traitors and thieves! They are all rotting in hell now!
toefur69 3 months ago 3
@toefur69 Don't forget tyrants who kept fellow humanbeings in bondage, feeding off of the backs of their sufferage, but the Union set them straight... heh heh.
DravenWolfe 3 months ago
Son of a bitch burned my City
dmbfan95 3 months ago
@dmbfan95 And we'll do it again!
toefur69 3 months ago
@dmbfan95 That' what you get for owning slaves, yah bigot.... heh heh.
DravenWolfe 3 months ago
One of my friends is a is related to this guy
somedude332 7 months ago
the true face of evil whos burning now sherman!!!!!!!!!
bobandjoeloveJB 8 months ago
@bobandjoeloveJB
Uh, I don't know. It an't Sherman. Uncle Billy here ended that war quicker than anything and looked after his boys. So. . I have no idea who you're talking about.
Mahbu 6 months ago
@Mahbu yeah sure a man who burned down a sity killed inocent civilians raped and beat slaves yeah ok im sure hes in heaven with george washington and other great leaders yankee scum
bobandjoeloveJB 6 months ago
@bobandjoeloveJB
See, whenever I hear shit like that I want to punch you and the guy who told you that because that is exaggerated mythical bullshit.
Sherman did not beat up blacks. The incident you're thinking of wasn't even a case of orders, it was an accident. Sherman didn't rape anyone nor did he order any rape. In fact, all sides recognize the significantly low number of civilian casaulties. IE there were very few if any. (turn to next comment)
Mahbu 6 months ago
@bobandjoeloveJB
In fact, Sherman didn't even give the order to burn Atlanta and in reality only 30% at most was burnt.
The only scum is you who allows yourself to be deceived by lost cause bullshit because his ancestors were defeated and humiliated (which is deserved for being on the wrong side).
Mahbu 6 months ago
he is my great great great great uncle X D
awsomeguy711 9 months ago
Few things done in War are pretty. War is first and foremost, about destroying your enemy and breaking his spirit.
It is pretty much common knowledge that he was somewhat of a lunatic, and may have very well enjoyed his job more then a saner man would..but he understood his job and the cold, brutal efficiency that it required.
nykia31 9 months ago
the chuck norris of the 19th century
johnscottnf96 9 months ago
"i intend to make Georgia howl"
lewkev 9 months ago 5
@lewkev "The Union was formed by the voluntary agreement of the States; and these, in uniting together, have not forfeited their Nationality, nor have they been reduced to the condition of one and the same people. If one of the States chose to withdraw its name from the contract, it would be difficult to disprove its right of doing so' … – Alex de Tocqueville, Democracy In America
MemphisSpanker 2 months ago
The greatest american general of all times!!!!
dredd96 9 months ago
My fav gen. of all time!
TheDeadhead76 10 months ago
Shooting a teller, blowing up a parking lot, selling children into slavery...this is total nonsense. This sounds more like your beloved Sherman. I won't even comment on the rest of the post because it goes from idiotic, to ridiculous, to uneducated. Sherman's famous march to the sea was nothing more than a campaign of plunder. He had no honor or dignity. He is not revered as a hero by Civil War scholars, and he is generally thought of with disdain. Post intelligent thoughts in the future.
mkfletch54 10 months ago
@mkfletch54 Amen Brother
000006ify 10 months ago
I would've used "Marching Through Georgia" which is public domain BTW. But Sherman said "War is Hell", or something like that. He in fact spared cities and towns which surrendered , e.g Savannah GA. Little known fact is that Savannah and places around it were against secession since they saw it as a disaster in the making. They were right of course, and the town more than happy to surrender.
One irony of the war was that Vicksburg was also against secession. But Grant had to besiege it.
wayhip 10 months ago
This guy's my great, great, great, great (great?) grandfather on my father's side. My father is a spitting image of him, the similarity is astonishing. I've always agreed with his philosophy that if you're going to fight a war, go all out. Nothing half-assed. War's terrible, so do whatever's necessary to get it over with as quick as possible. Many many see that as ruthless and uncaring, but that's what war is.
Anyways, I stay out of the south.
rekunta 10 months ago
war is hell....sherman fought it that way ,there has not been a war fought
differently since. rip General.
MrBillfitz 11 months ago
Google "Arthur Reed" and "Miles Reed" and see about black confederates!
Bestmanme08 11 months ago
[again talking about Indians"during an assault, the soldiers can not pause to distinguish between male and female, or even discriminate as to age"
"The more Indians we can kill this year, the less will have to be killed next year, They all have to be killed or be maintained as a species of paupers."
Men were rightfully sentenced to death and executed at Nuremberg for less than what this man did. He was a war criminal plain and simple.
hungarygator 1 year ago
“we must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux, even to the extermination of men, women, and children.” William T. Sherman
The more Indians we can kill this year the fewer we will need to kill the next, because the more I see of the Indians the more convinced I become that they must either all be killed or be maintained as a species of pauper. Their attempts at civilization is ridiculous... Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman
I guess he had to butcher indian civilians too
hungarygator 1 year ago
@hungarygator He was a man of his time.
CarlaLR74 10 months ago
@CarlaLR74 So was Ghengis Khan, Tamerlane, Torquemada, etc. What he did were war crimes even in those days and everybody recognized it.
hungarygator 10 months ago
@CarlaLR74 ..he was a piece of shit...
bobbya16 10 months ago
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Hilegrod 1 year ago
i love how everyone also yells at sherman when they offer little to nothing on andrew jackson who made the trail of tears happen and almost started and three way war don't get me wrong though he was one hell of a man, jackson, for all his bad things he had his good parts
sithmaster4305 1 year ago
you couldent put in the hymn of the republic my friend? this is kinda like propaganda no offense to you it just seems so. the galactic empire is based of nazi germany
sithmaster4305 1 year ago
Sherman was a ruthless leader who went for the throat, I believe this is why we have Geneva war rules now. As if war was ever civilized 0.o
RainbowManification 1 year ago
Sherman's march=First terrorist act in america he did what the british were doing that made the USA rebel
ChristheAussie 1 year ago
I would like to point out that Sherman was actually quite logical in his reasoning behind the March.
Thus, he proved that logic is a bitch.
Scitech101 1 year ago 2
Most of the things southerners say about Sherman are untrue. All over Georgia you'll find plaques on old houses claiming that that the land had been burnt by Sherman, but only about half of them are anywhere near where Sherman went through. Sherman was highly successful on waging war on the south. This is the reason he is so hated there. He treated southerners far more kindly than they deserved.
WatermelonRat 1 year ago
If there is one man i hate in history above all others, it is Sherman. Surely, of all the men who fought in the civil war, Sherman is the most evil and despicable. Rot in hell Sherman you fucking coward, Robert E. Lee may have fought for slavery but at least he was a man of principle and character.
cheap3shotproduction 1 year ago
>Robert E. Lee may have fought for slavery but at least he was a man of principle and character.
Behold. Southern cognitive dissonance at its finest. It is to LOL.
Someday I am going to find out where Bobby Lee is buried, piss in a plastic Coke bottle, stick it in my pocket, and -- when no one is looking -- pour it out, while I take pictures. Then I'll be able to post photographic evidence that I PISSED ON ROBERT E LEE'S GRAVE.
Oh my God, the delicious butthurt that'll ensue.
Rivenshield 1 year ago
@Rivenshield You will then be promptly arrested for vandalism and, unable to afford bail, you will go to jail. Imagine the delicious buttrape the other inmates will have with you!
cheap3shotproduction 1 year ago
@Rivenshield
damn die hard federalist much? don't get me wrong i am all for the union but isent that abit disrespectful for a guy who fought in the american-mexican war? if you want to laugh at the south point out how their generals turned into "Yankees" and fought against the spanish for us
sithmaster4305 1 year ago
Go Sherman!!! If the north would have used Sherman's tactics earlier in the War. The south would beg the north for mercy! Oh, well, all that's important is the south DID eventually BEG for the mercy of the north.
Phillyrulz9876 1 year ago 2
So SHERMAN was bending over backwards to get the women and children out of the way. Hood was shitting his pants to keep the women and children there as a shield for pussy Hood.
Funny how fucking Hood, Lee, Davis, the whole bunch of fuck tards, GLADLY had women and children in the middle of slave auctions, they actually TORTURED young slave girls and sold infants.
Hood was HIDING behind the women and c hildren--- as soon as Sherman moved them out of the way, Hood ran like a pussy.
FilmCriticOne 1 year ago
You can take your money out of the bank too -- but you cant shoot the teller, blow up the parking lot, and sell the children you find there into slavery.
See the difference?
You didn't secede legally any more than a rapist has legal sex with his victim.
You hung voters, attacked 12 forts, threatened the capital, pirated the seas. You were violent hateful Taliban like bullies who got your ass kicked.
You have been crying about it like pussies for 150 years
FilmCriticOne 1 year ago 10
@FilmCriticOne Well said. It's surprising to see a comment from someone who knows their history on here. Usually one sees fantasies and mythology mixed with homespun "wisdom". They were the worst enemies the USA ever had, and it was for the general improvement of humanity that their kind were defeated.
If anyone wants sources for what FilmCriticOne says, see Southern Rights, a book on the Constitutional issues around the Confederacy.
tj2tone 1 year ago
@FilmCritic your a dumb ass, i hope the peace of stinking garbage is burning in hell, and all his followers, his seeds should be wiped from the face of the earth along with abe's family
000006ify 10 months ago
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@FilmCritic your a dumb ass, i hope the peace of stinking garbage is burning in hell, and all his followers, his seeds should be wiped from the face of the earth along with abe's family
000006ify 10 months ago
@FilmCriticOne "If [the Declaration of Independence] justifies the secession from the British empire of 3,000,000 of colonists in 1776, we do not see why it would not justify the secession of 5,000,000 of Southrons from the Federal Union in 1861". – New York Tribune, December 17, 1860
MemphisSpanker 2 months ago
@FilmCriticOne The error is in the assumption that the General Government is a party to the constitutional compact. The States … formed the compact, acting as sovereign and independent communities. – John C. Calhoun
MemphisSpanker 2 months ago
Darth Vader music is appropriate for William T Sherman. Good personal friend of General Grant was seen as the US equivalent of Stonewall Jackson. Led the drive on Atlanta and Savannah known as "Sherman's march to the sea"; plundering and burning everything in his wake. Still seen as a war criminal by modern pro Confederate thinkers.
bookkeeper57 1 year ago
@bookkeeper57 nonsense idiot. Sherman not only didn't murder - he personally saw to it -- and tried to get HOod to cooperate -- to move women and children out of the way.
The truth is, Hood was hiding BEHIND the women and children, and shit his pants when Sherman wanted them out of the way. As soon as SHERMAN moved the women and chilren out of the way, the Southern soldiers ran like pussies, and burned the city on their way out.
Learn real history.
FilmCriticOne 1 year ago
@FilmCriticOne Can you cite your sources please? Naturally the South demonized a successful Union general. Hood was not known for being a coward who sacrificed women and kids, though. So can you enlighten us? Appreciated ~
bookkeeper57 1 year ago
@bookkeeper57 Sure -- read Hood's letter to Sherman, and sherman's responses.
Sherman's comments to Hood are astonishing prose, considering they were written in heat of battle, without pretense or frivilous verbage. No one has yet written a better synopsis of the war..
What did Hood do once Sherman helped the women and children out of the way? HE RAN. He ran like a pussy. Hood ran as fast as Lee and Davis ran from RIchmond.
FilmCriticOne 1 year ago
@FilmCriticOne Hood's letter is not in my keeping: the book?
I am sure Sherman spelled out terms in succinct language. He had no
time to spare, and he was very businesslike in the "business of war".
bookkeeper57 1 year ago
@bookkeeper57 I don't know about "my keeping" or what you mean.
The exchange bewteen Hood and Sherman is available online in a number of places. I just googled --- Hood Sherman letter exchange, and the entire paper trail is laid bare in the first listing, on three w, civilwarhomedot com/atlantaevacuation.htm
FilmCriticOne 1 year ago
@FilmCriticOne ...oh I know history...and you would not have seen the day that J.B. Hood would have hid from anyone no less a pig like Sherman....Sherman is on the same level as a Saddam Hussein....he should have been hung and would have if the South prevailed.
bobbya16 10 months ago
Think of the south being burned to the ground,..It did not need to happen
RonRepublican 1 year ago
@RonRepublican you stupid fuck -- they SHOULD have burned not just the South, but the SOLDIERS to death. They should have given you fucks the "justice" you gave others who rebelled against you -- slaves.
The South was hardly touched, dumb fuck. Sherman took it way to easy. You fucks are still crying about this shit -- when what little was done to your ass, YOU brought on, and deserved 1000 times worse.
Quit your fucking whinning you pussy.
DontTrustTaxCons 1 year ago 2
@DontTrustTaxCons ...tell all the niggers and jews to "quit their fucking whinning" while you are at it...asshole!
bobbya16 10 months ago
@bobbya16 im a southerner and your a Dumb ass, it's people like you that make it hard to bring truth to the light an keep our flags flying in public area's,so if you want to help keep your thought's to your self Jack wagon
000006ify 10 months ago
@000006ify ....You're a Southerner? Big Deal....you sound more like a jerk off to me...and by the way Ill what I want when ever the fuck I want....Jack Off
bobbya16 10 months ago
History was re-written by the victors, the North. Sherman allowed his men to rape and kill innocent women and children among other barbaric acts. Sherman called for the extermination of Jewish people, American Indians and certainly had no love for blacks. Some of you need to delve a little deeper into actually historical accounts before you believe the lies the Progressives have propagated.
33MarciS 1 year ago
@33MarciS Sorry fuck tard -- the South has written 20 times as many books about the war and the aftermath. The Pussy South has completely covered up the essential truth about slavery, about how the South was a Nazi like hell hole from 1820 on -- with total government control of what WHITES could read, write, say, hear.
Your soldiers were pussies, your leaders ran away -- Davis ran away in a dress. Lee tortured children. You fucks covered up all that -- and much, much more.
DontTrustTaxCons 1 year ago 2
@DontTrustTaxCons I just wish Sherman had burned all of Charleston and all of Louisiana making sure he destroyed every last damn plantation house in sight.I really do feel its a shame to allow them to exist in this country,they are symbols,emblems of oppression and the most savage treatment of man on the North American continent.
vernontrumpet2000 1 year ago
@vernontrumpet2000 I wish he had given all the land to the blacks, and driven the whites off. Let the whites be slaves. They said slavery was right --let them BE the slaves. The bible has slaves, that were the losers in war. Fine. Let them, the losers in the war, be the slaves, of the victors. They said they believed in that.
DontTrustTaxCons 1 year ago
@DontTrustTaxCons excellent point
vernontrumpet2000 1 year ago
@33MarciS Sherman was suspicious of everyone, none more than the press who followed his army wherever they went. He called them "spies" and regularly threw them out of camp.
bookkeeper57 1 year ago
Sherman took it way too easy on Southern Pussies.
The Southern scum were great at torturing women, selling children. If men fought back against slavery, the South burned them to death. Hear that? Burned slaves to death, or had dogs eat them alive.
Sherman should have done that to the South -- given the scum pussies their own "justice". Burn to death the men who fought back, torture the women, sell the babies, and enslave the rest.
DontTrustTaxCons 1 year ago
When Sherman came through the south he didn't treat the slaves any better than the Southerners did.
razorslice17 1 year ago
@razorslice17 Wrong: he was hailed as a conquering hero by black slaves who ran to him for refuge. He replenished his rank and file with deserting slaves, who called him "Uncle Billy".
bookkeeper57 1 year ago
It's really very simple: Sherman did what he HAD to do to end that terrible war. He stripped war of all of its romance and served it up on a platter for the South as pure hell. It hastened the end of the war. And when the guns ceased firing, he offered far more generous terms to Johnston than Grant did to Lee. Love him or hate him, Sherman understood modern warfare as ugly and despicable- and a strong motive to work to avoid it.
BenAliGtor 1 year ago 14
@BenAliGtor Exactly: that was his spoken goal and strategy.
bookkeeper57 1 year ago
He was not that bad, a few plantations and towns burnt to the ground. Whats the big deal? The South should thank him.
He does need to comb his hair though.
Thx1138d 10 months ago
@Thx1138d ...He was a piece of shit....Its Gen. Sherman, that makes me ashamed Im from the North....I hope he is rotting in hell.....by the way, thx1138 was the absolute worst movie Ive ever seen...
bobbya16 10 months ago
I disagree
Thx1138d 10 months ago
@Thx1138d ...on what? Sherman being a piece of shit war criminal or thx1138 being one of the worst movies of all time?
bobbya16 10 months ago
General Sherman was a brilliant general who whipped the Rebs right.
Thx1138d 10 months ago
Besides he was ten times the man you will ever be. Or boy in your case.
Thx1138d 10 months ago
@Thx1138d ....he was a scumbag pig he was a war criminal ...just look at the way Gen. Lee is respected and loved and then look at the way Sherman(I refuse to call him Gen.) is looked upon....he was a piece of shit...get over it...
bobbya16 10 months ago
@BenAliGtor
I'm glad there's someone with reason in their heart and mind.
Mahbu 6 months ago
I wonder who would have won in a fist fight between William Sherman and Sitting Bull
Velasca 1 year ago
@Velasca Sherman would have. He was younger, and Indians did not know how to make a fist. Didnt you ever see the movie "Little Big Man?"
pigmanobvious 1 year ago
Davis said God delivered the Negro to "our hands" to enslave. Davis also said the South would invade the North, capturer the blacks there and turn them into slaves, and make the entire US a slave nation. I suggest you read Davis real speeches -shit the south has hidden for 150 years./
LiarBoortz 1 year ago
I think I may have been Ellen Sherman in a past life. I love General "Uncle Billy"
DBHuntington 1 year ago
Sherman knew how to win a war , by punching the gut of your enemy , total war and strategic destruction, the shock and awe of his day. you have to degrade your enemy's civil will to fight and it will spread to the soldiers, a kind of force multiplier for the union army. Thank you sherman!
MinisterKGB 1 year ago
Sherman took it far to easy on the South.
Sherman offered you again and again, truces so you could move or stop the war, or anything. Hood wrote to Sherman complaining how he was getting women and children in the way of war -- Sherman wrote back, saying, well Hood - stop hiding behind your women and children then. And it was the SOUTHERN soldiers who burned most things in Richmond Atlanta etc
FarceTax 1 year ago
@FarceTax It's almost funny, but certainly sad that you probably really do believe this.
Think if Stonewall Jackson invaded Philadelphia, burned the city to a smoldering ruin, then forced the evacuation of the remaining 2,000 citizens just as winter was coming on. You and the court historians of today would regard Jackson as the worst war criminal in history.
1patrickhenry1 1 year ago
Pat dumb fuck - you better study Atalana campaign a little better before you cry like a pussy about how you fucks were treated. Go read Hood's pussy letter to Sherman, and how Sherman responded. Classic. Hood was complaining of Sherman getting women and children involved in the war -- Sherman pretty much said, "Well dumb fuck, quit hiding behind your women and children then -- you fucks started this, and you can end it anytime, So quit yer bitchin ya pussy"
LiarBoortz 1 year ago
Pat Jackson was no war criminal. In fact, other than Davis and Lee and Bedford Forrest, I don't know any others who should have been hung that were not. (Only one was hung).
If Jackson resigned when he first heard of the planned coup against Washington -- then fine. But Lee not only heard of the coup, he stayed in US uniform for months, and even accepted a promotion to colonel, while in on the plan, which was clearly treason, according to his own oath.
LiarBoortz 1 year ago
@LiarBoortz Lee stayed in the United States Army till Virginia left the Union. Please stop insulting history, when you don't know what your typing.
Are you really this stupid???
rebel2276 1 year ago
Lee stayed in uniform for months AFTER he met with Davis and planned - or knew of -- the plan for a military overthrow of the US government. Other men resigned immediately -- would not stay in US uniform after they knew of the coming overthrow. Lee, however, stayed in unifrom AFTER he knew about the plan. He therefore was guilty of treason -- go see the oath he took, if you don't believe me. His oath was to the PRESIDENT --against all opponents.
LiarBoortz 1 year ago
@LiarBoortz The South was not trying to "Overthrow" the Union.
"We just want to be left alone". President Davis
rebel2276 1 year ago
@rebel2276 left alone? That's like Hitler saying he wanted to be left alone.
Here is what Lee wanted - to whip slave girls and scream at them - cause he did. To sell infants away from their mother - cause he did. To get rich on the pain and torture of others - cause he did. To terrorize children and sell even his OWN children from rape into slavery - cause he did/
CanteenKid 1 year ago
@CanteenKid Here we go again, stay with the same screen name and not Fifty of them.
rebel2276 1 year ago
Reb -- did you fucking read the Davis speech yet? Davis saying slavery was the cornerstone?? Did you read his speech in Macon -- that 2/3 of the Confederate soldiers had deserted?
12FlyMe 1 year ago
@12FlyMe No I have all of your Fifty Screen names blocked. I have gone over and over and over and over the same things with you. Since you do not want to pay attention, I am not going to waste anymore time with you.
rebel2276 1 year ago
I drove all the way to St Louis at Calvary Cemetary in Missouri City where Sherman was buried... Then I PISSED ALL OVER HIS GRAVE AND TOMBSTONE.... Fuck you Billy yank for what you did to Atlanta ....you'll always be a coward and war criminal ..
bigwhitebear1 1 year ago
@bigwhitebear1 My sister lives near Marietta, which means I've had the grievous misfortune to have been stuck in Atlanta traffic--I think you should have christened the I-285 loop instead!
galoon 1 year ago
@galoon I know traffic is sinister in Atlanta... But if I can help that southern gem of a city in any way , I'd be glad to ... If you get a chance, go the "Confederama" there and check out the art work of the battle of Atlanta...it's sacred...truly a phenomenon ....Good day to you Sir..
bigwhitebear1 1 year ago
@bigwhitebear1 I've seen the Atlanta cyclorama--which is an excellent work of art. Sadly, except for Kennesaw Mountain, Atlanta's battlefields have been swallowed up. To me the real gems are places like Resaca and Chickamauga, although Atlanta is a fun city where there's plenty to see and do. I live near Charleston--many of the important Civil War sites here are gone, too. We lost Secessionville to development and Morris Island to erosion.
galoon 1 year ago
@galoon Thank for sharing, always a pleasure to here about those things... keep it flyin....
bigwhitebear1 1 year ago
Iam related to Sherman on my Mothers side.
orbpupil 1 year ago
If Sherman had not had been so severe that egotistical madman Lee probably would have continued to fight an unwinable war, wasting and wasting and wasting so many
lives because he thougt he was doing a "Godly" thing. Sherman was like a Hiroshima bomb, nasty, but necessary.
verziehen 1 year ago
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Grant was a hero, no doubt about that.Robert E. Lee surrendered,, but fought battles that are still taught today. But Sherman was a blood sucking animal.
DIANNEELEE 2 years ago
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Sherman was one of the few genuine geniuses to emerge from the Civil War. While most of the Southern leadership were captives to the spell of Napoleonic warfare, Sherman anticipated the features of Total War that were to prevail in the 20th Century. The outcome of any conflict must be decided by the conclusive application of superior force. The South didnt know what hit them!
johnsammyanfal 2 years ago
He is biased, but in making this comment, he's right. The South had no problem with using Federal power to protect and expand slavery with their passage of the Fugitive Slave Act and the Dred Scott decision. And it had no problem with using that Federal power to trample the rights of Northern states to refuse to support an institution that was illegal within their borders.
galoon 2 years ago
And today's political atmosphere isn't strictly North vs.South anymore--in 2004 Ohio and Indiana voted for Bush; in 2008 Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida voted for Obama.
galoon 2 years ago
I agree 110% with you. Reason Virginia and North Carolina went Democrat, many Northern Virginians moved down into North Carolina. People get sick of the traffic in Northern Virginia.
If you look back on the 2004 election, Virginia came very close to going democrat. Northern Virginia and the rest of Virginia are very different.
Great post, Galoon!
rebel2276 2 years ago
That's a good point! I had the misfortune of being stuck on that damn beltway for hours on my way to Gettysburg a while back. When people migrate to other states in large numbers, they tend to change the political atmosphere. I'm sure Charlotte was a big factor in NC, too. And as you said the rest of Virginia is pretty conservative, much like the Midwestern states like Ohio and Indiana--which are mostly rural.
galoon 2 years ago
If I remember correctly, the Dred Scott decision allowed American citizens to take their personal property and go anywhere they wanted to.
That was the huge debate that started the war.
Another great post, Galoon!
rebel2276 2 years ago
Thanks! I think that's pretty much the Dred Scott case in a nutshell. He sued for his freedom based on the fact that he'd been in Illinois (a free state) with his master for years. The decision was predictable for 1857 with the pro-slavery Supreme Court, but today it would be like ruling in favor of someone who brought medicinal marijuana into a state where it's illegal!
galoon 2 years ago
Damn that evil empire trying to oppress those poor plantation owners who wanted to treat other human beings as animals.
TemujinMSM 2 years ago
The neverending debate ... BTW, DEO VINDICE!
magictricks3 2 years ago
Deo Vindice!
magictricks3 2 years ago
LOL...Yes, God did vindicate...at Appomattox 1865.
He vindicated the Union cause with victory.
Over the course of the next century, God continued to vindicate the Union cause by making the USA the greatest nation that ever existed.
The creator blessed us with more health, prosperity, and freedom, than any other nation.
Today (for better or worse) we can claim to be the first western nation in to have elected a President of African descent...
UnionStatesHeritage 2 years ago
...despite their enlightened snobbery, NO nation in the EU can make such a claim. Not Canada, not the UK, not Australia, not New Zealand...the USA.
What this country became, and what this country is, is the direct result of Union victory.
That's a living testament to God's vindication.
That's what Union Heritage is, and that is what Confederate Heritage will NEVER measure up to.
UnionStatesHeritage 2 years ago
~UnionStatesHeritage~, since you are laughing at my ~Deo Vindice~ comment, are you also laughing at the fact that a Union victory meant that the Federal government would become the master, as opposed to the servant of the people?
magictricks3 2 years ago
@magictricks3
Trying to connect the Civil War with modern political issues ain't gonna fly. Two separate era's...however...the election of 1860 WAS a voters rebellion against Southern political domination. A point that Confederate Heritage takes great pains to ignore.
The past administration of the Dubaya, saw a massive expansion of Federal power. Bush was fully supported by Southern voters...and opposed by the Northeast.
Southerners LOVE the power of the FED, when they are in control.
UnionStatesHeritage 2 years ago
~UnionStatesHeritage~, the fact that the Federal government became the ~master~ is by no means just a ~modern~ political issue. Lincoln's `forced Union~ was the beginning of the end of ~states' rights~. The Federal government was never intended to be a ~master~ ...
magictricks3 2 years ago
States rights is alive and well. During the Bush Administration, Massachusetts approved gay marriage, and New England and California both defied the Fed, and passed their own clean air acts.
Whether you agree with those decisions or not, they represent the states exercising their sovereignty.
Federal Government is far from being a master.
Just an attempt to hitch a dead horse onto a fresh bandwagon.
UnionStatesHeritage 2 years ago
For anyone on here who puts down Lee, the fact is that he believed that war should only be made against armed men, not unarmed civilians. The total opposite of Sherman who had no regard for the civilian population as he pillaged and plundered ...
magictricks3 2 years ago
Unless they were African Americans or white Southern Unionists.
UnionStatesHeritage 2 years ago
Lee's army abused, terrorized, and deported Pennsylvania's African-American civilian population. They were rounded up like cattle, and marched South, as captives.
Lee had to be aware of the CSA's policy of dispossessing, and/or murdering white Southern Unionists who defied Confederate occupation of their states, and whose men fought for the Union.
UnionStatesHeritage 2 years ago
Many were former slaves, personal property.
Anything else?
rebel2276 2 years ago
@rebel2276
And there it is. Confederate Heritage stripped of its politically correct posturing, right down to its corrupt center.
BTW...many were not. I understand that one of the Civil War publications actually posted an account of the brutal torture that one of those captives was subjected to. That's something I'm anxious to lay my hands on...and share with others.
UnionStatesHeritage 2 years ago
Say what you like about Sherman; just be sure to add the word "successful."
galoon 2 years ago
To judge Sherman we must look at his whole time in the war. At 1st Bull Run he had a brigade (13th NY, 2nd Wis, 79th NY and 69th NY). Sherman put just two of his regiments in and the other two moved up when the first fell back. That was the Union's problem at 1st Bull Run. All Union commanders put their men in piecemeal.
Sherman did great at Fort Pulaski. But when Sherman took over for BG Robert Anderson in Kentucky, he had a nervous breakdown. He was so worried that he was outnumbered.
rebel2276 2 years ago
To judge Sherman we must look at the end result of his career...again that word...success.
End of story.
You can discuss battle tactics, who coulda, shoulda, woulda done diddle doo...and the result is still the same....success.
If Lee was such a great commander he would have prevailed, despite the lopsided numbers. Many other commanders in history did exactly that.
UnionStatesHeritage 2 years ago
Sherman should share a lot of the responsibility for Shiloh's defeat on day one. He did not take Colonel Jesse Appler's advice and scolded him and even made fun of him.
Grant put up no defenses at all, no cavalry out on patrol and he got caught with his pants down.
Sherman did horrible at Chickasaw Bluff, MS. He did fine on land against Johnston at Jackson, MS. Sherman had 120,000 men to start the Atlanta Campaign, while Johnston could count 60,000. So I am never impressed by Grant/Sherman.
rebel2276 2 years ago
I agree on Shiloh; Sherman and Grant were caught with their pants down. Sherman told Jesse Appler to "take his damn regiment back to Ohio." The worst thing they did was place the green regiments closest to the front at the encampment! Sherman shows up much better as a strategist than a tactician. Part of his strategic genius was the use of feints to confuse the enemy. In the Carolinas he feinted simultaneously at Augusta and Charleston, forcing Hardee/Beauregard to cover both with (con't.)
galoon 2 years ago
their 30,000 men. Sherman then went between this divided force and took Columbia, which also cut Charleston off, forcing its evacuation. This prevented the Confederates from reuniting and attacking him--30,000 CS troops were thus made just as impotent as if they'd been defeated in battle--and they lost 2 cities. Beauregard then deployed at Chester, to cover Charlotte. Sherman again feinted toward him, then went to Cheraw and into NC. He thus took SC out of the war without a major battle!
galoon 2 years ago
Hampton wanted to defend South Carolina and that took a whole Cavalry division away from Lee. They should have concentrated in Virginia instead of trying to cover Va and Sc.
rebel2276 2 years ago
That would have been one hell of a army, with the North and South together as one. Judging from the Civil War battles and artillery and cavalry.
rebel2276 2 years ago
It sure would have been one hell of an army! I think it was D.H. Hill who once said that "Confederate infantry, fighting side by side with Federal artillery, need fear no foe on Earth."
galoon 1 year ago
@galoon, Well we are out of South Korea and back in Afghanistan. While in South Korea, I gave the men a 48 hour pass. So a few of the officers and I went out to downtown Seoul. We were walking around and I came across a small used book store. I thought I would see if the old Korean gentleman had any Civil War books. Sure enough he did, not many but several excellent books. All first editions as well. "Richmond Redeemed" by Dr. Sommers, and "The Gleam of Bayonets" by Murfin. Great find!
rebel2276 1 year ago
@rebel2276 That is a terrific find! And in Seoul, of all places! I've never read either one of those; I've heard of "The Gleam of Bayonets", though. Used bookstores are always fun to look through. I've always found good stuff while looking through the ones here in Charleston. I had no idea you'd been in the Army for as long as you have! Cheers, Rebel--take care
galoon 1 year ago
@galoon @galoon, Murfin was an excellent historian and any of his books are a must have. Now "Richmond Redeemed" by Dr. Sommers is about Grant's fifth offensive during the Petersburg Campaign. That would embrace, the capture of Fort Harrison and attacking Lee on the far Union left. The time period was late September, 1864.
rebel2276 1 year ago
@rebel2276 I'd like to read all of these! The one on Grant's fifth Petersburg offensive sounds particularly good--so this was about a month after the Battle of the Crater. Petersburg on the whole was a violent campaign--from what I've read so far, the ANV was VERY well-supplied with uniforms and equipment for most of it. I'll read everything I can find on Murfin--again, I appreciate the info!
galoon 1 year ago
@galoon Grant lost at least 42,000 men and Lee lost around 28,000. Now I doubt that would include, deserters, sick, etc.
Grant had to have lost at least, 125,000 men from May 1st, 1864 to April 9th, 1865. Grant lost 60,000 men in the first two months (May-June). 42,000 during the Petersburg Campaign. 11,500 during the Appomattox Campaign as well.
As far as the books, your best bet is to try Ebay. You will not find those books at your local book store. Try used book stores as well!
rebel2276 1 year ago
Neither were anything without a big army or navy behind them.
Let us imagine if Sherman had 60,000 men and Joe Johnston with 120,000 men at the start of the Atlanta Campaign. Or Grant with 65,000 vs Lee with 125,000.
If Grant and Sherman could pull off victories against that, I would crown them supreme commanders.
rebel2276 2 years ago
I assume you mean if Grant/Sherman were on the defending side with the numbers reversed. They wouldn't be crazy enough to mount an offensive campaign while being outnumbered 2:1. Neither would Lee or Johnston. I would bet that Grant/Sherman would have been able to win on the defensive with those numbers--the basic fact is that the rifled musket made the defender twice as powerful as the attacker, as I've said before. In any case, Johnston was losing the Atlanta Campaign because of (con't.)
galoon 2 years ago
Sherman's strategic (rather than tactical) ability. He continuously flanked Johnston's left and threatened his railroad and his rear, forcing him to withdraw without the need of expensive frontal assaults like the overrated Grant was making in Virginia.
galoon 2 years ago
Sherman did, just what I would have done. Send one Corps to the left and one Corps to the right. It worked fine, till Sherman stopped to fight. Kennesaw Mountain was a waste and Sherman should have known better.
Yes, Yes, I 110% agree Grant should have done the same thing, just outflank Lee. Why attack his prepared defenses??? Any fool could have done that.
rebel2276 2 years ago
I believe if Lee had 125,000 men to Grant's 65,000. Lee would have done what he always did, outflank Grant and maybe go back over the Potomac River again. Who knows, just a fantasy.
rebel2276 2 years ago
BTW, all you Yankees who support the vileness of Sherman, go ahead and thumbs down my comments against him, cause I have my own vids showing what a Lincoln supported terrorist he was, so there!
magictricks3 2 years ago 4
I agree with you, but many won't. Those many don't read enough or dig deep enough. It is a good thing the Union won, because Sherman certainly would have been hung. Along with many more war criminals.
You ever get a chance, go to Columbia, South Carolina. Go to their archives and ask for the "Rape Letters". There will be hundreds from white SC ladies and black female servants/slaves.
So when I read anyone typing in here, that no Southerner women were raped, I just point out the source.
rebel2276 2 years ago
@rebel2276
We've already been through this subject. As I've pointed out. The CSA used rape as a cover for justifying their own atrocities against captured Union POWs. Whether they were bummers or not.
Therefore, I'm fairly skeptical. Again WHO compiled this information? What was the purpose? When was it compiled?
UnionStatesHeritage 2 years ago
You claim to be some information guru, is has so much inside knowledge unavailable to us poor peons (such people usually do).
When I comment on the atrocities committed against black Federals, you claim that it was just a scare tactic, and the CSA never carried out such actions. I go ONLINE for less than an hour, and find an exchange of correspondence between opposing commanders, documenting exactly what you claim rarely or never happened...
UnionStatesHeritage 2 years ago
@UnionStatesHeritage
I point out the incident, and you justify the incident as valid under the laws of the South, then claim surprise that more incidents of that nature did not take place. Huh.
You seem blissfully unaware that Southern Unionists existed at all, despite a fair amount of data on the subject.
Ditto, the fact that some of Sherman's bummers were Southerners themselves, who were paying back Confederates for the atrocities committed against them, at the start of the war.
UnionStatesHeritage 2 years ago
@UnionStatesHeritage
Of course, whenever anyone points out such things, you tell them that YOUR information is more valid, because of your connections.
Well, the reality is that none of this is rocket science. Anyone can research who has half a brain. I'm amazed at the things I can find, just by looking through obscure volumes on Google Books. Letters, documents, eyewitness accounts, etc.
UnionStatesHeritage 2 years ago
Its funny UnionStatesHeritage had family fight for the South.
rebel2276 2 years ago 2
Funnier still, how you shamelessly exploit your ancestors who fought for the Union, then deliberately shit all over everything they fought for.
UnionStatesHeritage 2 years ago
Are you not the hypocrite? Least I am proud of my family that fought on both sides. You just spit on your Southern ancestors that fought for the South.
Those same Southerners that probably owned slaves, lol
rebel2276 2 years ago
@rebel2276
No, I just have higher standards than you do.
Those ancestors were traitors. Period. They are undeserving of my respect. In the same way, ancestors who were bank robbers, murderers, etc, would be undeserving of my respect.
Ancestor worship is one of the first signs of a culture that has become weak and decadent.
UnionStatesHeritage 2 years ago
@rebel2276
You aren't proud of your Union ancestors. According to you they were rapists, murderers, and vandals.
Still waiting on how many of your ancestors raped Southern women.
If the percentage of rape was as high as you claim among Union soldiers, I'm sure at least one of yours, must have participated.
UnionStatesHeritage 2 years ago
I told you, he is an idiot. This just confirmed it for me.
rebel2276 2 years ago
You called it right!
rebel2276 2 years ago
Sherman was the hero...Lee and Jackson were the zeroes.
Success talks, bull-shit walks.
Sherman was THE bad ass general of the Civil War. Lee was nothing but an over-dressed Virginia aristocrat, with a bad beard.
UnionStatesHeritage 2 years ago
~UnionStatesHeritage~, you have bad taste in so- called heroes! Sherman wasn't fit to lick the boots of Lee!
magictricks3 2 years ago