The Church against Hitler (part 1 - the beginning)

[AntiChrista4WPeace]

Shared FB-Sun AkaAishaklein. Thank-you.

[theantisauronist]

Do you realise that what you said in the first 20 seconds applies to our present day dictatorship of the atheist globalists?

[PaleHearse]

I'd also like to make one additional point to ensure folks like lustitia don't get away with having folks think that the decision by bishops, cardinals or even the pope to assist Jews were not an individual decision. lustitia is not addressing those bishops, cardinals and even popes that in the past have flat out taken antisemitic and/or hedonistic pursuits. While it's fair to say that pope John II or Leo VIII were not true representatives of catholic doctrine, they were popes none the ...

[PaleHearse]

...less.

The catholic church's involvment in politics is nothing new. The Avignon papacy, for example, successfully allied with france to further it's goals and all I'm saying here is that the church intended to try the same thing by trying to get political power as Hitler's ally (even if only initially).

Ancient history? Somewhat. What I'm illistrating here, though, is that once you peel away the facade of papal infallibility you start to realize that for good or ill, the decisions made...

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse Again you know nothing and you merely reproduce the lies from notorious anticlericals and from superficial wikipedia "information" without neutral historians' scrutiny applied. No one is denying that the Papal States and popes in history also participated in international politics. What is a lie though, is the allegation that the Church preached "antisemitism" in its modern term (of course Christians rejected Rabbinic Judaism as a religion).

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse Also, it is entirely dishonest and ridiculous to summarize the Reich Concordate of 1933, a mere development out of the 1931 Concordate with the Free State of Prussia in which Nuncio Pacelli also participated, as an attempt to become "Hitler's ally". Nonsense. Instead, this diplomatical act sought to create security for the outspoken formerly anti-Nazi (1924-1933) Catholic Church in the German Empire, and to secure Church independence from the ideological state. Only that.

[PaleHearse]

@IustitiaPax

And the catholic church.. a religion.. was interested in diplomacy with Hitler because?

Are you not getting this?

Apparently not. Nothing I'm saying goes against common sense or is unsearchable. When religion decides to become political.. as islam is currently.. then it becomes quite obvious what their goals are... and those goals have nothing to do with outlining for the devout a personal path to enlightenment or salvation.

I'd say that says it all. Peace.

[PaleHearse]

...were those of men.. not those of god's representitives. These were men.. good and evil as are the cardinals and bishops. and their decisions represent individual acts and not the acts of any so called "church". The church is simply a tool to be used for political gain by those inside or outside the church and it's doctrines will always reflect the mood of the day and not anything "divinie". To save a Jew or kill a Jew will depend on what side of that political decision the clergy find...

[PaleHearse]

...themselves on. If the pope supports it or is silent on the mater, then it's up to the cardinals, bishops and clergy to assist the persecuted party as best they can.. and as we saw in the inquisition, even if the outward position of the papacy is to protect or at least not harm the jews, it is then the individual will of the clergy to persecute them on their own. I suppose that's the warning and leson here. Sorry for the long winded response, but I'll leave you with that. Study yourselves.

[GahdeMalprigi1488x]

The Nazis were not Catholic, they used this as a cover up. It was well known that they were involved in the occult.

Please do your research before you produce any videos.

wwwdot666BlackSundotcom ->information about Hitler.

[langhard1]

my father once told me about the speech hitler made about the reason every female occupied monasterie or female order had a chalk pit on its grounds (featus disposale)and also the institutialised abuse of boys and homolesual excesses in every monasterie in europe and the new world,in his words he told me hitler at one point exposed the church for the perverted organisation we all now now it to be,pops also told me rehabilitation for the church came with the allies

[76endurathon]

the liberal-atheist-communist league have a lot in common with Hitler and the nazis: sterilization, euthanasia, abortion (500,00 during the Nazi era), social darwinism, the strong against the weak, and Hitler said Christ was a jewish pig. The atheists accuse christians of evil , not making a distinction between nominalists and believers. Well, they make a scapegoat out of Christianity to cover up their own evil beliefs. They are Hitlers ilk!!!

[PaleHearse]

If this were true, the Catholics should have stood against Hitler and fought. Instead they chose to dine with the devil in a vain attempt to protect themselves from harm sacrificing others instead to protect their power structure. There isn't really going to be any way to sugar coat that. All the church can do in the future is to make damn sure they never do it again.

[jeffery234567]

@PaleHearse Quite wrong. As the son & nephew of 3 Catholics that fought Hitler, I can tell u Catholics as a minority in Germany opposed Hitler, as they did in Poland. In fact Hitler targeted the Catholic clergy in Poland for death.

[PaleHearse]

@jeffery234567

History paints a different picture. The church as an organization chose to take no stand.. even allowing members of the Nazi party to hold full standing throughout the war. It's fine to say that some Catholics opposed Hitler.. on that we fully agree. Those catholics were in the minority though as it was easier to obey and not suffer then it was to stand up for what was right.

Catholic ideas of the evils of the Jew fell in lock step with Nazi antisemitic goals.

[jeffery234567]

@PaleHearse The church and the Pope condemned the Nazis. Google: "Luther and Protestant Support of the Nazi Government." U will find a map which shows how Catholics a minority in Germany, voted against Hitler. On my Channel u will find 3 SERMONS IN DEFIANCE OF THE NAZIS By Von Galen. Pius XII is credited with saving more Jews than any 1 person in WWII. Jews even hid in the Vatican.

The church tried to convert Jews. The Nazis hated Jews for their race & sought to kill them. Big difference.

[jeffery234567]

@PaleHearse U should also consider the Nazi plot to kidnap the Pope. See "A Special Mission" by Kurzman.

"They were bitter, bitter enemies. They despised each other," said Kurzman of the Pope & Hitler. "The pope hated Hitler "not only for his inhumanity but because he threatened the whole church structure."

Hitler, for his part, "saw the pope as his greatest enemy" and as someone with whom he was "competing for the minds and souls that he wanted to control," the author added.

[PaleHearse]

@jeffery234567

Kidnap not kill.. as in to control the catholics. How about you friggin wake up instead of trying to twist the truth to ease your conscience as a catholic. What you should be doing is taking ownership of that fact to ensure it doesn't happen again instead of trying to sweep the catholic church's involvement under the rug. It's insulting to those who have studied this honestly.

What your misquoting..and misrepresent is that a minority OF catholics rebelled against the NAZI's.

[jeffery234567]

@PaleHearse What about the 3 million CATHOLICS KILLED not KIDNAPPED by the Nazis, in particular their clergy?

"Ease my conscience as a Catholic? My grandmother a Roman Catholic had 3 CATHOLIC G.I.s fighting Hitler while she carried an enemy alien card because she was born in Italy. They fought so ignorant people like u could be free to lie about them & their role in the anti-Nazi war. That's what they did to "ensure it doesn't happen again!"

[PaleHearse]

@jeffery234567

No, they fought to end NAZI oppression. To save their own skins.. not to "save the jews". Look.. it was a crazy time. All I'm saying here is don't try and make the catholic church as a whole out to be saints in this.. they are not. The church, as a whole, decided to cooperate with the Nazi's to assure (so they thought) their survival. Pretty simple that. So now, to hear you say that the church as a whole was some kind of angelic crusader is disingenuous and untruthful.

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse You falsify history. And you tear out parts of early diplomacy with universal Church decision. You are biased therefore. The Catholic Church ideologically always opposed National-Socialism, and this is exactly why the Concordate was signed. Have you read Mit brennender Sorge? This says all. You are indoctrinated with anti-Catholic movies, prejucides, Hollywood and academic (often Marxist-based) forged "studies".

[jeffery234567]

@PaleHearse What was the main feature of “NAZI oppression?” Was it not racial genocide? Save their own skin? No my catholic relatives were safe here in the US & did not go thousands of miles to “save their own skin.”

How does rescuing thousands & resisting, as did O'Flaherty, Kolbe, Brandsma, Von Galen, Klausener and others, amount to saving their own skin? U are ignorant of the massive clandestine Catholic resistance & rescue movement. Even Jews knew that the Church fought Hitler & said so.

[jeffery234567]

@PaleHearse So tell us professor where did I "twist the truth"?

Where am I "trying to sweep the catholic church's involvement under the rug."

What am I "misquoting..and misrepresenting?"

Tell us you who have "studied this honestly." Enlighten us.

[PaleHearse]

@jeffery234567

It's simple.. you say that the "minority catholics".. well catholics were a minority in Germany, but at the time around 30%.. 30 frigging percent... of Germans were catholic. That's one hell of a "minority".

So where your misrepresenting the facts and falling short of outright lying.. is when you claim that "the minority catholics rebelled against Hitler". Ah.. no.. "A minority of Catholics".. did. Let's get that straight right now. The catholic church embraced party members.

[jeffery234567]

@PaleHearse Ah.. yes Catholics, who were only 1 third the German population opposed Hitler the only way they could; they VOTED AGAINST HIM! HEARD OF THE WEIMAR REPUBLIC?! CATHOLICS VOTED AGAINST HITLER, PROTESTANTS VOTED FOR HIM! Weimar was a Democracy. Check voting trends professor of the time. Let's get that straight right now.

“The catholic church embraced party members.”

Who? Name them.

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse The Pope, the Holy See and the Church ideologically opposed Nazism and racial doctrine, and the Church saved a million European Jews by various means, condemned publicly their and others' persecution. But of course the Church also condemned Allied war crimes, Communism, the Soviet menace etc. You think in black-white stereotypes. The Nazi dictatorship was no worse than the UK and US regimes as far as war crimes are concerned. The Church saved Jews, but Jews indeed hate Catholics.

[PaleHearse]

@IustitiaPax

If they opposed Naziism and racial doctrine.. then why did they allow the SS to be a part of the church?

You can't rationalize the two. The facts speak for themselves.. the catholic church as a religion organization was more concerned with it's own survival then it was in speaking out against the Nazi party. That about says it all.

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse Mit brennender Sorge condemned the Nazi ideology and racial theories entirely. The SS was no "part of the Church". In which atheist anti-Catholic pamphlet did you read this? You mean some Waffen-SS volunteers? These were ordinary soldiers. The SS held only a small minority of Catholics, as the SS and its magazine Das Schwarze Korps were extremely anti-clerical and anti-Vatican in their propaganda. You know no original sources. I studied this in archives. You are biased only.

[PaleHearse]

@IustitiaPax

It's open public record. I suppose the answer is a simple one.. that the church wouldn't toss our a KKK member so long as they tossed money and political power the church's way.. or in the case of Nazi Germany.. allowed it to exist.

I also never said that the Nazi goal was pro church.. what I said was that the church did not rise up against it as a whole.

Again.. a matter of public record.

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse The Church as a whole also did not "rise up" militarily against the war criminals Churchill, Stalin and Roosevelt. And it did not excommunicate English Catholics in firebomb supplies and forced military U.S service cremating Japanese and German innocent civilians and murdering other Axis states' subjects, or even other states' civilians (USSR). But the Church had condemned illegitimate warfare, war crimes, Communism just like She condemned Nazism in 1937 Mit brennender Sorge!

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse The Catholic Church in Austria excommunicated Nazis until 1938, and until 1933 no Catholic in Germany who was a Nazi Party member was buried with Catholic funeral rites. In the Netherlands, this was upheld even during the entire occupation. I know of only one exception in the Dutch province of North Brabant, where a National Socialist Member had abjured specific errors before death, without resigning the NSB movement post. He was buried a Catholic. But no others were.

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse The Catholic Church is no military power. "how many divisions does the pope have?", Joseph Stalin asked in 1946, as Italian Communists and Yugoslav Communists were threatening or (in Yugoslavian territory) killing Catholic priests and faithful anti-communists. The KKK is very anti-Catholic and anti-Irish, so it is mutually exclusive. But the Catholic Church and her faithful and hospitals had to survive in both southern USA and Nazi Germany, therefore: diplomacy!

[PaleHearse]

@IustitiaPax

Not expecting them to be.. but it's a problem for me when a church who's own doctrine of antisemitism is used as a tool for political ends.. and they go along with it.

The catholics were a HUGE political party that Hitler needed.. and got.. end of story. The cardinal who would become pope.. signed the document.

That.. is history. Distance yourself if you feel that's appropriate.. but the facts speak for themselves.

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse Antisemitism was never "church doctrine" at all. This is another lie from Communist, Liberal and Israeli propaganda since 1960. You only seek to attack the Church by constructed 'guilt by association'. You see, Pacelli also signed diplomatic agreements with the Soviet Union. But unlike the Germans, the Soviets did not keep their words. But these diplomacy contacts did not mean the Church preached Communism or approved of it. Nonsense. I do not distance myself at all. Never.

[PaleHearse]

@IustitiaPax

I never said antisemitism was church doctrine, only that it was church practice. This isn't mormonism after all.

A thousand years of antisemitic behavior on the part of the catholic church came to roost as it found it's self on the brink of a terrible decision.Feelings were changing as secular morality around them made the antisemitic position of Martin Luther and others unsupportable.

If you don't distance yourself from these ideas you'll repeat them.

Guilt by pact not association

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse You are anti-Catholic. But you are not my judge. I entirely approve of how the Church acted in the face of National Socialism and Communism. Mostly that is, some human mistakes were made too. The Catholic Church never was antisemitic, and the Church never espoused " antisemitic behaviour" . This is a black anti-Catholic myth. In fact, the clergy and the bishops were the only ones to shelter the Jews from pogroms in the Middle Ages. Why did anti-Jewish sentiment arise?

[PaleHearse]

@IustitiaPax

The inquisition hunted down Jews to convert them.. and removed children of theirs that had been baptized.. I'd say that was antisemitic... yes?

It's a matter of historical study.. that antisemitic behavior was a part of church practice for nearly a thousand years. Your not going to be able to just sweep that under the rug... sorry.

You ask why anti Jewish sentiment came about.. that has many social facets. One main one that still exists today.. nepotism...it's rampant with them.

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse The Inquisition was led by Tomás Torquemada amongs others, like Saint Teresia of Ávila, who were all Jewish converts to Catholicism or children of Jewish converts to Catholicism. Children were not removed and baptized from Jews, this is from the Edgardo Mortara story of the 19th century, not the Inquisition. Mortara became a Catholic priest. This is not antisemitism. Antisemitism is a modern movement based on ideas of race, ethnicity and their properties.

[PaleHearse]

@IustitiaPax

Justify it any way you please... it doesn't alter the facts that any here can research. And again, you twist the actual facts.. the "baptisms" were supposedly done BEFORE the children were removed.. not after. The baptism was an excuse to remove the children but more then that it was a way to keep upstarts in line... just as the inquisition was. Support of the Jews by the church? Are you kidding me?

So no.. any can research this.. it's not holly wood by any measure.

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse It was illegal to baptize Jewish children against the wishes of their parents into the Christian religion, in fact. The case of Edgardo Mortara came from a goy Catholic housekeeper in a rich Bologna-based Jewish banking family. Fr. Mortara O.S.A. became a great Jewish priest, who died in March 1940 in France, and who worked for the conversion of the Jews to the new Israel, the Catholic Church. The clergy protected Jews, even corrupt Jewish bankers, against pogroms of the people.

[PaleHearse]

@IustitiaPax

History disagrees with you.. and it's a matter of record anyone can look up... including Edgardo Mortara.

What you seem to be saying in that case is that because it turned out alright it was fine for the catholic church to take him.

You need to take ownership of this rather then trying to pretend that the church was blameless.

I think it's pretty clear your not about to do that.

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse You are totally indoctrinated, if you think you know the history of Edgardo Mortara better than he himself did, at the 1940 testimony for the beatification of his spiritual father, Pope Pius IX (1848-1878). I merely proved, that there was never a baptism of Jewish children against the consent of their parents. The Church respected natural right of parents until adult age. The Church is blameless. Some Christians as individuals misbehaved, but the Church teaching and Her laws not!

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse I do not need some indoctrinated person living in the early 21st century AD, without any contextual and historical scientific background, but with a highly anti-clerical and anti-Catholic prejudiced ideology in his mind, teaching me. I am very critical but faithful Roman Catholic loyal to apostolic Tradition. And I do not allow my mind to be deformed by Jewish propaganda, self-righteous exclusivist victim status of modern Jews. I can and will think for myself. Thank you. God bless!

[PaleHearse]

@IustitiaPax

"Jewish propaganda"

Interesting... and telling.

Good luck.

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse Yes, Jewish propaganda and Jewish paranoia and Jewish prejudices exist also. Like they exist in other peoples and other nation-states, other political systems, and other religious groups too. Jews are not immune from legitimate criticism. But as you obviously have an ethnocentric, anti-Catholic, secularist-atheist, anticlerical and above all very ethnocentric Jewish perspective, you cannot distinguish scientifically between religion, ethnicity and social historical context.

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse No, the actions of individual members are for their individual responsibilty. The same is for Catholic monarchies and Catholic Orders etc in history. I do not blame the massacres of the 1947-1949 Israeli-Arab War on the religion of Judaism either, although some religious Zionists (who hardly existed in those days, and emerged mostly since 1967 War) would justify them. Judaism since 70 AD lacks central authority, is splintered. The Catholic Church is not splintered and divided as such

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse That is why, if you pursue the intention of blaming and attacking the Catholic Church, you must prove this by official documents, and a total overview. Well, this - among all scientific historians, of whom I am but a humble assistant at university - inevitably leads to the conclusion, that the Church in its bulls, encyclicals and teaching protected the Jews from violence, pogroms and injustice. But of course the Church rejected rabbinical post-Christian Judaism religiously.

[PaleHearse]

@IustitiaPax

As an atheist.. I need do no such thing. As an atheist I am looking at this as the use of the church to sponsor hatred. Are you grasping this? Hitler was, in my view, a catholic for the simple reason he used and was allowed to use the catholic church as a platform for his agenda..just like Torquemada. This isn't going to turn into the classic "who's a Jew" argument..sorry.

Because the catholic church as a whole didn't put it's neck on the line and say no to Hitler, they own it.

[xaviqaz]

@PaleHearse "Platform for his agenda" What a stupid statement. "The catholic church as a whole didn't put it's neck on the line and say no to Hitler". The Pope did. He condemned nazi racism. Anyway, Hitler was enormously popular among germans until early 1940s and enjoyed the support of many institutions and the silence of others.

[PaleHearse]

@xaviqaz

"Hitler was enormously popular among germans until early 1940s and enjoyed the support of many institutions and the silence of others."....

Exactly my point.

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse They own it? You are nothing but an Atheist ideologian, and you falsify history and the historical truth and even deny objective historians' consensus on this subject, in order to attack the Church and the Roman Catholic Faith, which you hate and are afraid of.

[PaleHearse]

@IustitiaPax

Don't hate it.. just understand it all too well and have no personal use for it.

As far as fear of it.. every faith should be feared when it enters the political realm. No faith should ever again be given license to rule a nation. It's pretty clear what happens every time one does.

My historical account.. as represented here.. is an accurate one. It's a simple matter for others to do their own research into it and draw their own conclusions.

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse You can believe your "historical account", but it has nothing to do with objective historical research and historian's methodology. I am a pious Roman Catholic, but I am also an historian (and PhD in other field), and I am open for any critical research into the diplomacy of the Holy See. But not in calumny presented from Communist, left-wing, Anticlerical or other (e.g. Israeli, Goldhagen-like) lobbies and prejudices which have no legitimacy in historiography.

[PaleHearse]

@IustitiaPax

That's the beautiful thing about reality and research.  Some may try and spin it one way or another.. but so long as the facts are there to be seen.. they are what they are.

I'm an engineer so I take more of a nuts and bolts approach to things.

Best of luck trying to sell your "blameless" version of catholicism.

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse You abuse a false anti-logics to incriminate the Church. It would be the same failure "logic", if I were to call your employer "atheist company", just because of you and your lies. It is guilt by association. Thereby one can attack everyone, up to God Himself and entire humanity. But this is false of course, if one refuses to admit and take notice of contrary evidence, refuting initial theses. You fanatically adhere to your anti-Catholic illusion and falsification of history.

[PaleHearse]

@IustitiaPax

My company didn't at one time produce antisemitic, anti gay, anti shellfish doctrine that it's employee's alternately used or did not use to promote my company's product.

Yours.. has.

It's great that your stepping back from these teachings.. but that doesn't mean that your job as a catholic is done. You must be vigilant.. ever mores so..because these doctrines are a part of your religious books. You therefore OWN it when the "Faithful" misuse these passages inthe way we have seen.

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse Whatever. Please open your own blog, instead of spamming a discussion by me, whereas I am interested in scientific historiography, objectivity of historical science and references and facts, and not in anti-Catholic propaganda so common. You have the same line of 'reasoning' the real primitive antisemites had. Just continuing their world view despite all argumentation to the contrary I step back from nothing as far as Holy Catholic dogma and doctrine are concerned, silly.

[PaleHearse]

@IustitiaPax

Spamming? What are you kidding me? I'm commenting on a youtube video with my personal opinion just like you are. Saying that your 'researched" is one thing..but to come here and try and silence others who are simply refuting your own PERSONAL point of view isn't going to fly very far here.

I'm not "anti catholic" I'm simply stating that when organized religion starts to dabble in politics it gets handed it's head EVERY time.

Catholics tried to dine at Hitlers table and own that.

[PaleHearse]

@IustitiaPax

By contrast, the Buddhists, Hindu's and JW's stayed out of the political arena and did not support what was going on. JW's were persecuted for it. That's what's called a sacrifice on an organizational scale.

Of course one is quick to point out that they didn't have anywhere near the numbers in Germany that the catholics did. But again.. with great power comes great responsibility. It's my view they didn't use that power to distance themselves enough from Hitler.

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse But anti-rabbinism, rejection of the Talmud, rejection of certain Jewish behaviour of certain Jewish groups, and rejection of the occultism among some rabbis and Jews of the Middle Ages (like extremist Chassidic cults of Trentino Jews and English Jews), is not antisemitism. Rejection of Judaism after the Crucifixion and Resurrection of the Son of God, are by no means racial antisemitism or injustice. But interpreting this in a false way, is due to Judaic paranoia.

[PaleHearse]

@IustitiaPax

History doesn't allow you to pick and choose. What you say is valid only to the point where you go after them in total for how many choose to run their business.,. i.e. the nepotism and other issues you outlined.

Rejection of Judaism isn't what we're talking about here either.. and you know it.

What we're talking about is persecution of the Jews because they don't believe in your christ.

Remember.. this is a political tangle the church got it's self into willfully and has own.

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse You are an atheist, you are not even interested in historical context, in historical truth and in scientific objectivity proper for any true historian of this subject. You are just looking for stick to beat up a dog with, in your ideology of atheism, the dog is the Holy Mother Church. And no matter how many saints, popes and bishops and priests sacrificed their lives for charity for the Jews, it will not earn them any admission from you but increased hatred.

[PaleHearse]

@IustitiaPax

If they had.. they would.. but again.. from my perspective that wasn't the church... good or evil. It was individuals.

The assistance of individuals by individuals is a sign of our humanity. When we use established religious to forward persecution.. that.. is where the church takes ownership. In the same way we grant certain organizations respect for what they stand for, we also hold some to ridicule for the things they stand for and do....

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse No, whenever Bishops, the Pope and Catholic religious and priests aided Jews it was "individuals". As "from your view" the Church is guilty. And She must be guilty. You have been long unmasked as biased and your "views" are nothing but hatred and some mixture of Hollywood movies and anti-clerical propaganda. Your view was refuted by the sources and historians' works. So the discussion is OVER. You lost. Long ago already. I have no illusion in curing you from your bias & hatred.

[PaleHearse]

@IustitiaPax

Your free to misrepresent what I'm saying all you like but it doesn't alter reality. When religions play politics... they always wind up out of their element.

This sets up situations such as with Hitler and Osama Bin Laden where a religion's doctrine as a whole can and is used to support political gains and to promote agendas. Then, as we are seeing with islam, that religion doesn't stand up against it but supports it with it's silence. Why? Because the church IS it's members.

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse You accuse Jews of nepotism (ethnocentrism). Yes that is one reason. But again, the Church always defended the Jews in history. And this is what all historians found out. Hollywood, Soviet propaganda, Israeli propaganda, anti-Christian rabbis frustrated over Eugenio Zolli´s conversion in Febr. 1945 (the supreme rabbi of Rome converted to Catholicism in early 1945), are not objective historical research. True historians all refuted your claims long ago.

[PaleHearse]

@IustitiaPax

"the Church always defended the Jews in history." ~ Catholic zealot

Are you crazy? Do you seriously think that folks reading what you just wrote are asleep?

Always defended? Since what time? You may lay your case for that ONLY after around 1940.. ish. Prior to that it was individual members that protected individual Jews.. not catholics as a while. Rome has had the Jews under their boot since 50AD when they destroyed the second temple. History.. man.. History!

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse Et si Judaeis, is the name of many bulls placing the European Jews under direct Papal protection, against pogroms. Why do you think Jews took shelter in the Papal States in the 16th century after being expelled by Portugal and Spain? Why would the Jews take shelter under the most serene Republic of Venice and the most serene Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and not under Eastern Orthodox and Lutheran rule? You confuse the pagan Roman Empire with the Holy See, silly. You're rabbinic?

[PaleHearse]

@IustitiaPax

They were forced to live in ghettos in the papal states and compelled to attend mass for the purpose of conversion. It was likewise illegal.. punishable by death.. for them to convert christians to Judaism.

That papal protection you mean?

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse The "Ghetto" of Rome was just a Jewish Quarter, like they existed in both Islamic and Christian states, and even in Hindu cities of India, like in Kerala Coast. Jews were compelled to attend Mass only by a minority of civil administrators, not by canonical law or the Pope or Church in their laws. You cannot say either, that popular pogroms against the Jews of Cologne and Mainz were representative of the Holy Roman Empire always. Why did so many Jews live there then?

[PaleHearse]

@IustitiaPax

like the mormons, you are now trying to separate the church from the actions done under the guise of doctrinal support. That.. is the total point of this. If you split that hair you can split it all the way to the top and explain away the actions of popes you don't like.. or that didn't perform as you would have thought god's representative would have.

That's a failing of the church.. not of it's "individuals". Outsiders do not, should not and will not make that distinction.

[IustitiaPax]

@PaleHearse You see, you are neither an historian, nor a scientist. You are an anticlerical, anti-Catholic hater, indoctrinated by the lies of anti-Catholic Hollywood propaganda and press. The Reich Concordate of 1933 was a great blessing and the right thing to do. The Americans also had an Embassy in Berlin in 1933 and traded with Nazi Germany. Does that mean Franklin D. Roosevelt was an antisemite, and the USA were a Nazi state? Of course not. Your anti-Catholic anti-logics are silly.

[PaleHearse]

@IustitiaPax

..in their dealings with Hitler and the Nazi's by saying.. "Oh yeah.. this guy did it too". Yes, IBM serviced equipment for the Nazi's... some of them actually IN camps that would eventually become death camps... Coke.. continued to operate as "Fanta" and sell product in Nazi Germany all throughout the war.. and I bend them over for doing that as well.

But all that.. none of it..gives the catholic church a pass..sorry. Accept it and just hope your leaders stay out of it next time.

[PaleHearse]

@IustitiaPax

Nothing to do with hollywood.

As an engineer, I don't take what people tell me on face value, I look into what is being said for myself.  I don't "hate" organized religion but I do see it's many flaws. One of those flaws is that when an organization gets as big as the catholc church is it becomes political instead of spiritual.. and then gets into trouble it can't explain... like making pacts with Hitler.

Your not going to be able to support the evils of the catholic church..

[jeffery234567]

@PaleHearse "like making pacts with Hitler."

See u throw around accusations & u imagine all manner of evil about a father figure like the Pope, but this has nothing to do with reality. Hell, you're not hard on the estimated 150,000 Jews or part Jews who fought FOR Hitler. U never even heard of them. Nor do u care.Talk about selling out their own kind to SAVE THEIR SKIN!

Face it. This is all about an evil daddy. My advice. Grow up. It's time.

[jeffery234567]

@PaleHearse Wrong. The concordat did not favor the Nazis & they violated it constantly. And what was the violation that the church protested? Come now professor tell us. Here’s a hint. It had to do with the Jews.

The facts are that the Popes condemned antisemitism, resisted Hitler, protected Jews & the Church was persecuted for it. U claim u study this subject but u provide no proof. I think like many Pope haters u suffer from an Oedipal Complex.

[Detallado]

Fuck the church, Hitler should have killed all those fags, he should have rushed the vatican when he invaded part of Italy

[Detallado]

What I find silly in the Hitler's story is that he wanted to create a race of pure germans, when he wasn't, he wasn't even blond, but he was right with the jews, the chruch and everything else...

[cawinhosurf]

This video has no historic truth. Pope Pius and the Catholic Church colaborated in the Holocaust. That's the truth. Don't fall in illusion!

[gratefulsoldier]

@cawinhosurf things are not always as they appear to be.

[Gatta9]

@cawinhosurf Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly.

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- ALBERT EINSTEIN, Time magazine, 23rd December, 1940 p. 38

[avatarspirit57]

@cawinhosurf Stupid. Rising up against Hitler would've made their situation worse.

[PaleHearse]

@avatarspirit57

Made who's situation worse? The Catholics.. yes.. Jews.. not so much. If 10% of the German population were told flat out by the pope to collectively say "WTF are you doing.. and where are all these missing Jews going?".. then this may have not gotten as far as it did. Reason? Because Hitler would then have to exterminate 10% of his population.. and Mussolini nearly 35% of his. That.. as we both know.. wasn't about to happen... though Hitler would have certainly tried.

[avatarspirit57]

@PaleHearse If you are aware of the clandestine operations of the Church and its members in hiding the Jews you would understand the Pope's silence. Also read the Encyclicals of Pius actually calling for peace. Oh yeah, are you aware of the Schwarze Kapelle, a term used by the Gestapo to those involved in the July 20 plot? Guess what, the Pope was involved in it. The Church may have been quiet but being quiet does not always equate to doing nothing.

[IustitiaPax]

@avatarspirit57 He does not want to understand, as for @PaleHearse only Atheist and secular Jewish politics and institutions are credible, and he does not internalize nor study the facts, the forensic reality and the objectivity of the historical truth from all the documents and events you mention. For him only one thing matters: destroying the Catholic Church and its influence in human societies. And PaleHearse will misrepresent any quote in order to spread his own propaganda views.

[PaleHearse]

@IustitiaPax

Do feel free to show where anything I've said has been misrepresented in any way. It's been you that has been trying to defend ANY religions right to politicize an agenda. Hitler ran with the antisemitic overtones of church doctrine and personal feelings of members ordained by the catholic church and only late in the game did the church realize that things had gotten a teencie bit out of hand.

Yes.. there is no dispute that secret operations were effected to secret Jews.

[avatarspirit57]

@IustitiaPax Haters gonna hate. Don't they?

[PaleHearse]

@avatarspirit57

Not about hating.. just about revealing and keeping watch.

It's important that the evils of the past not be the evils of the future where it's in our power to do something about it.

It's important that those we place in positions of power above us have an understanding of their responsibility to everyone and not just the few they wish to support.

When we toss our true secular morals out in favor of doctrine driven dogmatic ones without examination, we toss out also our humanity.

[IustitiaPax]

@avatarspirit57 Exactly.

[cawinhosurf]

The two dangerous ideologies ever : Nazism and Catholicism

[juebert]

NEVER TRUST JEWS VEVER

[purleses]

the Germans simply examined the penis to identity all jewish communists for either deportation or the labor camps. Americans then soon began to circumcise all male infants after the jews tricked them with bogus magazine articles. The jews schemed to be incognito amongst other mutilated males in case Americans ever rebelled against jewish supremacism. Untold millions of defenseless male infants in America would have been saved from penis mutilation had Hitler defeated jewish supremacism.

[JESHUA1973]

"Etiam omnes ego non". Thank You! Danke! Grazie! Dio la benedica! God bless You! Gott segne Sie!

[ShaD0w1181]

You should find one on arch-bishop lefebre please. I need to know bout him through this. Oh yah and Vatican II

[wjm7259]

great work on behalf of the truth. I'll make sure your in my prayers tonight

[IustitiaPax]

You see that the hatred shown by Adolf Hitler and Alfred Rosenberg and Heinrich Himmler towards the Catholic Church is the same hatred (with the same lies and propaganda of "pedophilia", "fornicating priests", "rich Vatican", "religion keeps people under control") which motivates the anti-Christian enemies of the Catholic Church today, which now are disguised as Liberal-Democrats, Marxists and secularists.

[paulpembroke]

All totalitarian regimes oppose christianity. Just look at China today or the Romanian government's pre-1990 attitude towards any religion besides the state-controlled one. Or the DDR for instance - they just tried to bankrupt and marginalize the churches.

[jeffery234567]

@IustitiaPax Rosenberg's book is super anti-Catholic, while he praises every "reformer" that ever lived. BTW, you can read that book for free on lie if u have the stomach for it.

The Nazi regime was also the only government to investigate the stomping grounds of the Cathari in France. That's why all this Vatican controlled Hitler crap is so silly.

One of the worst perpetrators is this character Thomas Richards. He claims he was raised RC. I hate to see Catholics & Protestants at odds.

[IustitiaPax]

@jeffery234567 It is all the same. National-Socialism and modern antisemitism in Germany both developed as a continuation and reform of the French Revolution and especially the Enlightenment philosophers, who also speculated on race teaching and inequality of human races, as well as about the myths surrounding the Albigois (Kathars of southern France). Adolf Hitler was baptized a Catholic indeed. And Josif Stalin a Georgian Orthodox. But the Georgian patriarch was killed by the Soviets too.

[jeffery234567]

@IustitiaPax Interesting enough, the only nation in history to investigate the Cathari were the Nazis. Now why would a regime which is dedicated to the Catholic Church as these people claim, be so interested in promoting the Cathari and other enemies of the church; as Rosenberg does in his book? Rosenberg makes heroes of every enemy of Rome he can find. His book was second only to Hitler's on the Nazi best seller list.

[MoMoChAn001]

im reading a book entitled "Hitler's Pope"...im still not finished because the library won't lend me books during christmas breaks...

thanks for this - i could get a lot of info. about what happened during 3rd reich.. ^^

[VictorLepanto]

"Hitler's Pope" is a lie from the very cover. If it still has the original cover you will see on it a picture the future Pius XII (then still Eugenio Pacelli) serving Papal ambassador to BAVARIA. A man wearing a typical German helmet. This from the 20, before Hitler came to power. Cardinal Pacelli is in Bavaria, not Berlin. He never even met Hitler. Actually, Pius XII sent 100s of Jews to Palestine to build Israel. He personally told a Jewish friend he would pray for the success of Zionism.

[ned262626]

6m died in the holocaust? more than just the jews were killed. 3 million catholics, and something like 2 million others including gays, jehovahs witnesses, communists, people hitler wanted dead, died too.

around half of the people who died in the holocaust were jews, i dont understand why most people think they were the only ones who were murdered

[keepthemusicplaying0]

Your videos are always extremely interesting for which I thank you!

[benaggreyfynn]

Thank you my friend for sharing this video. I always believe within my heart that, The Catholic Church would not have sat on the wall and let the massacres go on.

Seeing this video, you have answered my questions about the Church. I believe more, and even more in the Catholic Church, being The Church of Jesus Christ on earth. Long live the Catholic Church, The One and Only Church of Jesus Christ on earth.

Thanks for posting.

Welldone and God bless †

[nogooder1]

@benaggreyfynn: Brainwashed fool.

[francineraymonde]

MERCI POUR VOS EXCELLENTES VIDEOS !

Dommage que cela ne soit pas en Français !

[darsham]

Sorry, I don't understand, do you complain about the number of victims? I think they were more than 6 milion but it's not a lower number to make them less criminal, even if they would have killed just 1, 10, 100 men, it was the same.

[Finalfreedom7]

i don't complain about anything! but i have strong views against selling the myth of 6million to create chaos and distruction all over the world and to desecrate the holy land and the birthplace of christ

[Plutonwolf]

Look into just how many Rom were put into death camps. Where is the international outpouring for the Gypsy people. I guess Rom just don't matter.

[Reconcile7]

@Finalfreedom7 --i agree with darsham-- (a life is a life, 1,10, 100---all the same)

Do some research about just 1 concentration camp; let alone the 39 other subcamps:

At least 960,000 Jews were killed in Auschwitz alone.

Other Auschwitz victims: 74,000 Poles, 21,000 Roma (Gypsies), 15,000 Soviet POW's; 10,000-15,000 members of other nationalities (Soviet civilians, Czechs, Yugoslavs, French, Germans, and Austrians).

[jgrisso07]

I'm doing a series of papers in my History class on how Pope Pius actually is responsible for saving more Jewish people then any other individual. When he passed away, everyone said this. Now, he has become a scapegoat. Pius and the Church has always and will always stand up for the respect of life and oppose all who tear down the fabric of humanity.

[darsham]

You can find in my other videos about him, especially when they talk about the operation "black orchestra". Some days ago, a very important and rich American Jew has organized a meeting in Rome to talk just about him, and he says that among all the political and religious people he was the unique man to have saved more Jews than everyone.

[danimalplayero]

@jgrisso07 Pius and The Catholic Church are noT God!!! The Church and Pius can be corrupted because he was Human and the Church is made by Humans. put your trust IN God Jesus and Only him. he promise you salvation and eternity in heaven, not the church,Pius, Virgin mary, or any angel or sanint ONLY JESUS CHRIST!! WHY DO PEOPLE DON"T UNDERSTAND THIS!! IS VERY CLEAR IN THE BIBLE!!!!!!!

[Kxrlomxgno]

@danimalplayero And the Bible was write for: The Holy Tradition of the Catholic Church... First God, then the Holy Church and then the Bible.... The Pope is not God, but the Pope is the Christ Vicary

[urfiredloser]

@jgrisso07 he was garbage.

[jeffery234567]

@jgrisso07EXCELLENT! Here are some books u can read: The White Rose – Scholl, Priestblock 25487 – Bernard, Did Pope Pius XII Help the Jews – Marchione, The Righteous – Gilbert, Your Life is Worth Mine – Kurek, Hidden Children of the Holocaust – Vromen, A Special Mission - Kurzman

The White Rose demonstrated how Catholic & Protestants could unite against evil. That's why these hate filled clowns on here who claim Hitler was controled by the Vatican never mention them. Good luck!

[blunt1984]

Thanks for posting.

Nice job exposing the fals propaganda about the Church in WWII.

[FIDESetRATIOihtys]

I'm so glad you have posted this! Can't wait for more.

God bless you and keep you.