haha @ jeremykjones2003 idk if i agree muscle makes huge gains with minor bolt ons quite the opposite hondas well don't have tq and for example a cold air intake on a civic gives you better gas mileage and maybe 5hp big deal.
@eurotuner99. a cold air intake on a camaro like this one could possibly add up to 60 hp. so as for not getting a lot of power for a bolt on. that went down the drain.
Honestly i think the best bang for the buck for an allmotor setup has Hytechs S2000 setup. Im not sure how many of them are around but i read about it in Honda Tuning awhile back. Made like 280rwhp on Hondata stock displacment (2.2), Header back exhaust, cam, and throttle bodies. The trick is that all the parts are engineered for each other and sold as a kit rather than a grab bag of random aftermarket parts. Around 5G's i think
wow.. there are some really ignorant people on this post... The reason honda uses small engines with high gains is because that is what they specialize in...
the reason american muscle is what it is is because they specialize in that... no your not going to get such gains on a larger engine because of the size of the engine, the torque put out by larger engines is awesome
if you want handling with preformance.
don't buy muscle
if all you want to do is race straight... by muscle...
@jeremykjones2003 For someone calling people ignorant you really are ignorant, Most modern muscle cars would out handle just about any honda, including the over 2 ton Challenger, you don't have to believe me but you're more than welcome to compare skidpad tests. The 2010/11 mustang has a solid rear axle and has supercar scores on the skidpad. In other words it out turns most ferrari's and lambos.
@admiraljimmy An S2000 held the record for the highest skidpad for a modified production car. I believe it was 1.18G's. A Challenger R/T is around .85G's, SRT8 is a little over .90G's. The stock AP1 S2000 is .92G's... nothing to frown at. It's not a straight line runner in comparison to some of these large displacement V8's(S2K is 205-210WHP stock), but I promise you(from personal experience) that it is a much better car than most you'll see at the track. Go see for yourself!
okay well imports sound fuckin gay like farts and lawnmowers we all know that.
put 10 grand into a honda 2.4 VTEC and run like 40psi boost and get what 600hp??
now put 10 grand into a big block amercan v8...lets say 25psi? thats over 1000hp not to mention my lug nuts require more torque than ur car produces out of the factory. stfu get ur shit straight you rice bitch pop bottle displacement pin dick.
The s2k motor F20 got motor of the year. It's a work of a masterpiece how such small 2.0 liter can put out so much power with only 4 cylinders yet get decent mileage 26MPG highway. With The s2k you get the full package. Leather seats, Push start, and so much more. On top of that it handles like no other. Go drive one and see for yourself. S2k got car of the year by readers of top gear for 3 years. 2004,2005, and 2007. Go look it up. Enough said
in my opinion i thing the american muscle is agreat bang for the buck when your lookin for out of the box balls to the wall but haters hate if you want talk shit...it takes alot of time money and skill to tune a 2.2 litre motor to keep with a 5.7your lookin at 300 plus versus 220 i think out of the box i think they both did a great job on their cars no hatin on either end here
fair enough you got a 350 HP 5.7 liters would you takl the same mess withthe honda was 5.7 liters? LMAO trust me u woule be shitted on from a pigeon cause you would look like your standing still. american is cheap plastic with very below avergae HP from a huge engine an fuck trq it doesnt win races
umm, ok give honda 5 liters and you will NEVE EVER EVER come close to beating any honda with the same displacement as your inefficient engine that produces less hp then a bissell vacuum cleaner. american arent fast.they need a SC to make a car fast or a huge 7 or 8 liter motor. honda doesnt need the help of a SC to make HP. and reliability of cars def goes to honda. why honda is in busioness and im bailing out american car companies that are ass ignoracne is bliss aint it?
Typical Honda fan boy, I am not denying that they can make a good motor and an efficient machine. But the 100 hp per liter argument is weak, it would not hold up at a higher displacement, I assure you that.
The LS1 motor is one of the best and most popular platforms out there, you can do a lot more with it, and if you wanted to put it mod for mod with the 2 Liters of Fury, use your imagination.
Oh yeah, forgot to mention, I had 2 passangers too, versus none in the S2k, Hah!
PS. It only comes with 305 engine horsepower, which translates to about 290 rwhp, look up some dyno sheets. If I was at 350 HP (full exhaust, throttle body, intake manifold) I would have eaten him alive.
your 5.7 liter shoujld beat him under any cirumstance u have a FEAKIN 5.7 liters with what 305HP? honda makes more then that with half the displacement my friend. im not saying your engines are bad but in comparison pound for pound? no chance. i guarantee honda had 5 liters you will see at least 400+HP. the honda S2k is a masterpiece were talking a 2 liter engine that keeps pace with a american V8 "muscle" now take the nsx 3.2 liters 292 hp and a high 12 second car. out of 3.2 liters.
5.7L doesn't guarantee anything, look at the old muscle cars with 6.6, 7.2 liter motors that barely keep up today.
And like I said, it keeps pace until about 70mph, look how hard I was pulling shifting into 3rd, and then 4th, I let off once I had a full car, and I was moving at that point.
If you need another daytime shot (I have no doubt he will race again, and he is modded now too!) I will just prove my point further.
let met get this straight. That was a V8 versus a 4 cylinder 2.0 liter car lmao. Wow..god i love s2000's. That's why i bought one lol. 2.0 liter. Half the cylinders and still keeps up. Dont you just love honda engineering.
well, it kept up until about 75-80 until i started pulling super hard, its my friends car... i wouldnt be so proud of honda engineering, for the price they dont put out as hard as they should. its going to be crying time for honda in the next couple years, check out the new lines of muscle!
Keeping up would mean the car is actually staying pretty even, not being left behind. If the Camaro didn't pull hard until 75-80 I would guess the Camaro has 273s or something.
wow god, you know whats even funnier? that z28 probably costed half what you paid for your s2k. all s2k owners do is tote this hp per liter crap when at the end of the day their 150hp a liter engine cant beat a 85hp liter engine. i can just see all the s2k owners watching this vid "hed take him in the twisties" HAHAHA
my previous car was a 94 rx7, i know all about handling, and guess what? i never used it ONCE. how many times have i raced in a straight line? atleast 2 dozen. so you can have your great handling car, ill have my car that actually does something that matters.
Ignorance is bliss. Some of the best performers at the autocross drive Fbod's. Have you ever driven one on an autocross? LOL, blah blah blah... Do your homework junior, PLEASE.
Yeah hes got a little bit of work done, my car is pretty much stock, I only have a LID (not even full intake) and muffler... Plan on finishing exhaust (minus headers for the moment) in the spring time
@ms20osc you mean other than any muscle car with 16 pounds of boost?
musclecarfan69 1 year ago
haha @ jeremykjones2003 idk if i agree muscle makes huge gains with minor bolt ons quite the opposite hondas well don't have tq and for example a cold air intake on a civic gives you better gas mileage and maybe 5hp big deal.
eurotuner99 1 year ago
@eurotuner99. a cold air intake on a camaro like this one could possibly add up to 60 hp. so as for not getting a lot of power for a bolt on. that went down the drain.
musclecarfan69 1 year ago
@musclecarfan69 I'm sorry, but no CAI will add 60HP. No matter what car it's on.
tophercantellus 10 months ago
@musclecarfan69 the stock intake on these cars is in front of the radiator (cold air).
a lid, long tubes, !cats, y pipe, cam, and cutout can net you 120+ hp in this car, so i agree with the rest of your comment.
onquarter 9 months ago
21 pony where can i get a 2.4 Vtech let me know thanks?
racer9858 2 years ago
Honestly i think the best bang for the buck for an allmotor setup has Hytechs S2000 setup. Im not sure how many of them are around but i read about it in Honda Tuning awhile back. Made like 280rwhp on Hondata stock displacment (2.2), Header back exhaust, cam, and throttle bodies. The trick is that all the parts are engineered for each other and sold as a kit rather than a grab bag of random aftermarket parts. Around 5G's i think
TXmatrix2nr 2 years ago
wow.. there are some really ignorant people on this post... The reason honda uses small engines with high gains is because that is what they specialize in...
the reason american muscle is what it is is because they specialize in that... no your not going to get such gains on a larger engine because of the size of the engine, the torque put out by larger engines is awesome
if you want handling with preformance.
don't buy muscle
if all you want to do is race straight... by muscle...
jeremykjones2003 2 years ago
I agree with alot that you say, but my Z handles like a motherfu**er!
bigwoode 2 years ago
@jeremykjones2003 For someone calling people ignorant you really are ignorant, Most modern muscle cars would out handle just about any honda, including the over 2 ton Challenger, you don't have to believe me but you're more than welcome to compare skidpad tests. The 2010/11 mustang has a solid rear axle and has supercar scores on the skidpad. In other words it out turns most ferrari's and lambos.
admiraljimmy 1 year ago
@admiraljimmy An S2000 held the record for the highest skidpad for a modified production car. I believe it was 1.18G's. A Challenger R/T is around .85G's, SRT8 is a little over .90G's. The stock AP1 S2000 is .92G's... nothing to frown at. It's not a straight line runner in comparison to some of these large displacement V8's(S2K is 205-210WHP stock), but I promise you(from personal experience) that it is a much better car than most you'll see at the track. Go see for yourself!
tophercantellus 10 months ago
What the fuck a 2.4liter s2k you just made your self sound dumbn.
speedracernut 3 years ago 2
okay well imports sound fuckin gay like farts and lawnmowers we all know that.
put 10 grand into a honda 2.4 VTEC and run like 40psi boost and get what 600hp??
now put 10 grand into a big block amercan v8...lets say 25psi? thats over 1000hp not to mention my lug nuts require more torque than ur car produces out of the factory. stfu get ur shit straight you rice bitch pop bottle displacement pin dick.
21poonises 3 years ago
honda is notorious and one of the only engine manufacturers that can produce 100hp plus per liter... oh and one other thing POWER TO WEIGHT RATIO!!!
mr1drfull 3 years ago
Yeah the typical regurgitation, yet I still have yet to see Honda manufacture a 5.0+ liter engine, it would never hold up with more cylinders.... Hah
bigwoode 3 years ago
The s2k motor F20 got motor of the year. It's a work of a masterpiece how such small 2.0 liter can put out so much power with only 4 cylinders yet get decent mileage 26MPG highway. With The s2k you get the full package. Leather seats, Push start, and so much more. On top of that it handles like no other. Go drive one and see for yourself. S2k got car of the year by readers of top gear for 3 years. 2004,2005, and 2007. Go look it up. Enough said
jockdeeznutz 3 years ago
in my opinion i thing the american muscle is agreat bang for the buck when your lookin for out of the box balls to the wall but haters hate if you want talk shit...it takes alot of time money and skill to tune a 2.2 litre motor to keep with a 5.7your lookin at 300 plus versus 220 i think out of the box i think they both did a great job on their cars no hatin on either end here
tegagsr 3 years ago
that motor came that way in the honda. but yes in the end its alot of work, but its all to catch up to a stock LS1 and then further from there!
bigwoode 3 years ago
fair enough you got a 350 HP 5.7 liters would you takl the same mess withthe honda was 5.7 liters? LMAO trust me u woule be shitted on from a pigeon cause you would look like your standing still. american is cheap plastic with very below avergae HP from a huge engine an fuck trq it doesnt win races
pureadrenaline25 3 years ago
You sir, are a retard. Are the weights of the two cars equal? Lets start there.
bigwoode 3 years ago
umm, ok give honda 5 liters and you will NEVE EVER EVER come close to beating any honda with the same displacement as your inefficient engine that produces less hp then a bissell vacuum cleaner. american arent fast.they need a SC to make a car fast or a huge 7 or 8 liter motor. honda doesnt need the help of a SC to make HP. and reliability of cars def goes to honda. why honda is in busioness and im bailing out american car companies that are ass ignoracne is bliss aint it?
pureadrenaline25 3 years ago
Typical Honda fan boy, I am not denying that they can make a good motor and an efficient machine. But the 100 hp per liter argument is weak, it would not hold up at a higher displacement, I assure you that.
The LS1 motor is one of the best and most popular platforms out there, you can do a lot more with it, and if you wanted to put it mod for mod with the 2 Liters of Fury, use your imagination.
Oh yeah, forgot to mention, I had 2 passangers too, versus none in the S2k, Hah!
LS1 > S2K
bigwoode 3 years ago
PS. It only comes with 305 engine horsepower, which translates to about 290 rwhp, look up some dyno sheets. If I was at 350 HP (full exhaust, throttle body, intake manifold) I would have eaten him alive.
bigwoode 3 years ago
your 5.7 liter shoujld beat him under any cirumstance u have a FEAKIN 5.7 liters with what 305HP? honda makes more then that with half the displacement my friend. im not saying your engines are bad but in comparison pound for pound? no chance. i guarantee honda had 5 liters you will see at least 400+HP. the honda S2k is a masterpiece were talking a 2 liter engine that keeps pace with a american V8 "muscle" now take the nsx 3.2 liters 292 hp and a high 12 second car. out of 3.2 liters.
pureadrenaline25 3 years ago
5.7L doesn't guarantee anything, look at the old muscle cars with 6.6, 7.2 liter motors that barely keep up today.
And like I said, it keeps pace until about 70mph, look how hard I was pulling shifting into 3rd, and then 4th, I let off once I had a full car, and I was moving at that point.
If you need another daytime shot (I have no doubt he will race again, and he is modded now too!) I will just prove my point further.
bigwoode 3 years ago
wht mods cause we all know s2ks are basically tuned to the max, unless he has a sc or turbo there will maybe be max 10hp gain.
iRnoCracker 3 years ago
Intake and Full Exhaust, along with some weight reduction work...
bigwoode 3 years ago
let met get this straight. That was a V8 versus a 4 cylinder 2.0 liter car lmao. Wow..god i love s2000's. That's why i bought one lol. 2.0 liter. Half the cylinders and still keeps up. Dont you just love honda engineering.
jockdeeznutz 4 years ago
well, it kept up until about 75-80 until i started pulling super hard, its my friends car... i wouldnt be so proud of honda engineering, for the price they dont put out as hard as they should. its going to be crying time for honda in the next couple years, check out the new lines of muscle!
bigwoode 4 years ago
Keeping up would mean the car is actually staying pretty even, not being left behind. If the Camaro didn't pull hard until 75-80 I would guess the Camaro has 273s or something.
thetravdawg 3 years ago
it started pulling right away, but taking off big time around 75-80, its my car, 3.42 gears on the 6speed
bigwoode 3 years ago
wow god, you know whats even funnier? that z28 probably costed half what you paid for your s2k. all s2k owners do is tote this hp per liter crap when at the end of the day their 150hp a liter engine cant beat a 85hp liter engine. i can just see all the s2k owners watching this vid "hed take him in the twisties" HAHAHA
itroars 3 years ago
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dannyhayes34 3 years ago
my previous car was a 94 rx7, i know all about handling, and guess what? i never used it ONCE. how many times have i raced in a straight line? atleast 2 dozen. so you can have your great handling car, ill have my car that actually does something that matters.
raptorlp03 3 years ago
Ignorance is bliss. Some of the best performers at the autocross drive Fbod's. Have you ever driven one on an autocross? LOL, blah blah blah... Do your homework junior, PLEASE.
bigwoode 3 years ago
@dannyhayes34 your way wrong bud, corvette suspension and power would kill a honda on any track
bjsniffitproductions 1 year ago
a win is a win dosent matter if it's by a mile our a inch. camaro love
73camaroSS 4 years ago
hey man a win is a win doesnt matter if it's by a mile our a inch. camaro love
73camaroSS 4 years ago
Wow that was close for a I4 & v8. Nice run.
BoostedAP1 4 years ago
Yeah hes got a little bit of work done, my car is pretty much stock, I only have a LID (not even full intake) and muffler... Plan on finishing exhaust (minus headers for the moment) in the spring time
bigwoode 4 years ago