I play in this mode all the time and am very impressed with the sound of all the clips. However, I've decided to go for the Freekish blues alpha drive. Thanks for an excellent demo.
Ethos sounded it just had more drive. Not sure if I would pay $300 more for extra drive. Yes that boogie sounded nice as well. Voiced after a fender amp too
@playboysreturn: How did you do the overtone flipping at the last note of each passage? Sounds fantastic! As far as I can tell, a Zendrive does not readily do this on its own - did you apply some feedback? Or simply a special playing style or even the PRS?
@HarryFortyTwo Sorry for the late reply. I think that is the characteristic of the PRS Santana. When I ever I pressed that specific fret, it is just ringggggg naturally.
sorry, my unbiassed opinion for the JUST the sound of this recording is that the amp alone is a clearly winner, with a more real liveli organic sound. Tean, I wanted to like the ethos cause I like its clean and cab sim, but prefer the zen in every recording i've heard. Thanks for the vid.
Ethos is best anyday. zen was good too, but ethos is far more balanced tone and smoother by far. Im on the list to recieve one FEB 2011. sweet. I will plug into a mark five mesa. :-) should be sweet as creamy tone.
@bille77 you are most likely correct, but both a greatness if we want to cal them that, it would be more of an experiement to see what it actually sounds like. I use two over drives, TS808HW and THE JD SCREAMER, side by side, yet the ethos has two nice channels that i can use as a boost from the one pedal. Its an experiment anyhow. Ill double my money when i sell it on eBay anyhow. lol Its nice to coming up to recieving an ethos after being on the waiting list, people will hang out for it
According to Randall Smith (Mesa Boogie) it was his opinion, after examining some Dumble's schematics, that some of Dumble's amps were based on the MkII. Other accounts say that some of Dumble's designs were essentially a black faced twin with a built in Tube Screamer. Who know what the truth of the matter is.
Actually Randall copied Dumble's amps, The first dumbles were modified fenders and then they turned into two channel amps, theres no tube screamers built into them. The first stage cascades into the OD channel and the uneven clipping of the OD tube causes the woody tone we all know dumbles for. Just FYI the MKI is very close tonwise to the ODS except the ODS has much more harmonics
dumble i think was a few years ahead of boogie. from what's known--he's a bit reclusive or something like that. his designs are his & sharing is not an option. but he looked at how the currents flowed & began modding--how he selected parts & all. then he built his own. smith should have gotten a patent on the master volume--according to his accounts from that time. since he didn't, others started building with master volumes. that may be 1 difference between the boogie & dumble from that era
All night long? I mean fuzz is cool, I have a "Fuzzy Lady" fuzz that kicks ass but I also have the "Zendrive2" as well as The "Greenline od" and the Empress ParaEq at the end to shape tone. My tone kicks butt and I use all of them,, and still will when I get my Ethos TLE.
Funny, I thought the Zen2 sounded the most musical. But I believe the Ethos could be more dialed in, and then there is the clean channel of the Ethos that is also totally amazing making the Ethos way more versitile. I own the Zen2 and love it and will someday also own the Ethos TLE.
I've got that exact amp, how did you have your settings set? As I'm sure you know this particular amp sounds totally different with just a little knob turning. (both on accident and on purpose)
The be honest I'm not crazy about any of them. I loved the Mesa Boogie Lone Star when I played through it. Maybe it's just the way he has it set up. I have a Dumble clone pedal review on my page that my buddy built. Not as warm as these but has more balls in my opinion.
Lets face it, good tone is simply about good compression, clipping that doesn't slop up note clarity and a bit of inter modulation distortion. The Ethos box sounded the best aside from the boogie which the two were interchangeable identical twins in tone and feel. The Dumble reputation relies on tube mythicism when it comes down to it.
I agree totally. That and about 95 percent of the sound you are going to get is in your playing anyway. Sometimes folks rely on gear too much. I've been guilty of it before.
Yeah that's true. At least John Mayer is making an attempt to bring roots music to the masses. I've heard he is very cocky about it though...not professional. He takes me as being a real chode but I could be wrong.
Very true...The music business is a bunch of garbage now if you ask me. The days of Freddy King and Albert Collins are gone...It would take a hell of a good attempt by somebody ALOT better than John Mayer to bring it back, but I don't blame him for trying. Hell he's making money playing music...that worth a bit in itself. Plus he got to bang Jessica Simpson so I really can't hate him.
Once my demo is cut, circulating and I start performing live, I think I'll be able to change the demands and standards of the consumers.
Everyone is so fucking agreeable to the status quo these days it's pathetic. Every so often the people need someone thrown into the brightest spotlight to challenge their choices as well as the establishment grooming them.
Unlike the last to do it, I have no intentions of falling into the corporate production line trap or eating the barrel of a shotgun.
Yeah that is ultimately the goal of all of us. I've been at it for 10 years but believe of not, I never played a live gig until this past December on my own. I mean, I've played with a ton of other people but never done my own deal. It's a tough thing when your standing on the stage and everybody is looking at you wondering what is going ot happen next. Yoou have to deliver the goods. Unfortunately, most of the people who frequent bars are dumbasses.
That's why recording a demo and promoting it properly is far more important than live performance. I think most bands defeat themselves by not knowing enough about how the business works.
It's worked the same way for basically the last 80 years. If you can write a hit, get it on the radio and the public demands to hear it some more, you're successful. Labels will compete for you with different signing packages.
If you don't have the hits and the know how, it probably won't ever happen.
I'm not really doing it for the money or fame really. I just love doing it, and im not really sure if I want all the headache that comes along with the "big time"
If the right person see me they'll know what they are looking at. Other than that, I dont really concern myself with it much. I just like playing live.
I'm doing it because I think I have something new to offer the world of music lovers so, I want the world to hear my music. I also want to be able to live off my music and of course if possible, be free of financial concerns.
Becoming a "celebrity" however worries me.
Performing live will probably be the best part of the experience but with my specific goal, it's not first on the structured plan. I think that's the first & most common mistake, having a dream rather than setting a goal.
that's right. and what you get with that is actually 3 (4 if you count bypassed to amp) tones... i.e., it's dual (2) channel preamp with a boost (3). so you can line up your clean channel and lead channel. i use one with a really shitty amp and nobody believes it (Bandit II), with a strat! and i'm a LP guy! (i moved my mid pup tone to the bridge).
that's why i was willing to pay that much. i've owed Boogie mkII (1980) and a Triaxis w/2/90... i know what they sound like with a LP.
I play in this mode all the time and am very impressed with the sound of all the clips. However, I've decided to go for the Freekish blues alpha drive. Thanks for an excellent demo.
SHEMAMAN 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
@playboysreturn hello friend, I would like you to do a test the same, but with a klon centaur with others, you should be grateful
bambinocaster 6 months ago
what were the settings on the MESA Boogie?
ghaith11 6 months ago
Ethos sounded it just had more drive. Not sure if I would pay $300 more for extra drive. Yes that boogie sounded nice as well. Voiced after a fender amp too
ts808heaven 9 months ago
Fantastic! All the more reason for me to check out a prs as well.
HarryFortyTwo 11 months ago
@playboysreturn: How did you do the overtone flipping at the last note of each passage? Sounds fantastic! As far as I can tell, a Zendrive does not readily do this on its own - did you apply some feedback? Or simply a special playing style or even the PRS?
HarryFortyTwo 1 year ago
@HarryFortyTwo Sorry for the late reply. I think that is the characteristic of the PRS Santana. When I ever I pressed that specific fret, it is just ringggggg naturally.
playboysreturn 11 months ago
@HarryFortyTwo Ummm, I m not so sure, it s just happened. May be PRS has a lot to do with it.
playboysreturn 9 months ago
@playboysreturn
Yep that's the guitar. You have a better chance of it with a lower action and gooood tone woods ;) (so PRS .. check!)
SparkPlugnl 7 months ago
What is the ethos like with a compressor, say a keeley compressor after it?? Anyone try that>?
nznaturopath 1 year ago
what are your settings for the mesa boogie? what model is the boogie?
aawshred 1 year ago
@aawshred - It s Mark 1 reissued, I set as Bass 5 / Mid 5 / Treb 7/ Presence 5, Thanks
playboysreturn 1 year ago
Nothing like the sound on REAL tubes for tone ...
vl0076 1 year ago
sorry, my unbiassed opinion for the JUST the sound of this recording is that the amp alone is a clearly winner, with a more real liveli organic sound. Tean, I wanted to like the ethos cause I like its clean and cab sim, but prefer the zen in every recording i've heard. Thanks for the vid.
cargolot 1 year ago
Ethos for sure!
slometal64 1 year ago
Ethos is best anyday. zen was good too, but ethos is far more balanced tone and smoother by far. Im on the list to recieve one FEB 2011. sweet. I will plug into a mark five mesa. :-) should be sweet as creamy tone.
nznaturopath 1 year ago
@nznaturopath you don't need a boutique pedal like the ethos with such an amp. That would be like casting pearls before swine...
bille77 1 year ago
@bille77 you are most likely correct, but both a greatness if we want to cal them that, it would be more of an experiement to see what it actually sounds like. I use two over drives, TS808HW and THE JD SCREAMER, side by side, yet the ethos has two nice channels that i can use as a boost from the one pedal. Its an experiment anyhow. Ill double my money when i sell it on eBay anyhow. lol Its nice to coming up to recieving an ethos after being on the waiting list, people will hang out for it
nznaturopath 1 year ago
Ethos and Boogie sounded very close.
SIXSTRING63 1 year ago
My favorite was definitely the Ethos, but I was surprised at how nice that Mesa sounded.
ErictheRed1978 1 year ago
personally, I like the tone you are gettting from Mesa best.
rhykko77 1 year ago 3
I liked the zendrive 2 best in this comparison.
soulsamurai 2 years ago
+1 for ethos
bluestudio67 2 years ago
The Ethos drive had a Mike Oldfield flavour-i preferred the first one-they all had that 'Valve' tone though...
GalaxyHorse 2 years ago
Sounds muddy and uninspiring.
Stringprodigy 2 years ago
ethos was more 'fuzzy.. zen 1.. sounded best to me
augfive 2 years ago
Could you tell me the settings on the boogie and which channel you used? Thankyou.
blueterrace 2 years ago
According to Randall Smith (Mesa Boogie) it was his opinion, after examining some Dumble's schematics, that some of Dumble's amps were based on the MkII. Other accounts say that some of Dumble's designs were essentially a black faced twin with a built in Tube Screamer. Who know what the truth of the matter is.
eatsandsleeps 2 years ago
Actually Randall copied Dumble's amps, The first dumbles were modified fenders and then they turned into two channel amps, theres no tube screamers built into them. The first stage cascades into the OD channel and the uneven clipping of the OD tube causes the woody tone we all know dumbles for. Just FYI the MKI is very close tonwise to the ODS except the ODS has much more harmonics
JD0x0 2 years ago
Thanks for setting me straight.
eatsandsleeps 2 years ago
@eatsandsleeps i can assure you it is not a fender with a tubescreamer in it. the schematic does not look like that haha.
there are however some similarities between a mesa mark II and an ODS. could just be that though, similarities.
rixills 2 years ago
dumble i think was a few years ahead of boogie. from what's known--he's a bit reclusive or something like that. his designs are his & sharing is not an option. but he looked at how the currents flowed & began modding--how he selected parts & all. then he built his own. smith should have gotten a patent on the master volume--according to his accounts from that time. since he didn't, others started building with master volumes. that may be 1 difference between the boogie & dumble from that era
bettset 2 years ago
im a superfuzz kinda guy.
ta ta for now then.
xyfb 2 years ago
All night long? I mean fuzz is cool, I have a "Fuzzy Lady" fuzz that kicks ass but I also have the "Zendrive2" as well as The "Greenline od" and the Empress ParaEq at the end to shape tone. My tone kicks butt and I use all of them,, and still will when I get my Ethos TLE.
MrTonefingers 2 years ago
Of the three, the Ethos TLE sounds the warmest and most organic, with a slightly fatter sonic footprint.
The Zendrive 2 sounds the next warmest, with the original Zendrive sounding the least warm, but tighter than the other two...
I guess I've got to contact Robbie Hall in Vermont and put my name on the waiting list for an Ethos !!
JimmyJames902 2 years ago
Funny, I thought the Zen2 sounded the most musical. But I believe the Ethos could be more dialed in, and then there is the clean channel of the Ethos that is also totally amazing making the Ethos way more versitile. I own the Zen2 and love it and will someday also own the Ethos TLE.
MrTonefingers 2 years ago
I've got that exact amp, how did you have your settings set? As I'm sure you know this particular amp sounds totally different with just a little knob turning. (both on accident and on purpose)
rsl84416 2 years ago
The be honest I'm not crazy about any of them. I loved the Mesa Boogie Lone Star when I played through it. Maybe it's just the way he has it set up. I have a Dumble clone pedal review on my page that my buddy built. Not as warm as these but has more balls in my opinion.
Iraqveteran8888 3 years ago
The Boogie sounds the most natural...
funkyjones 3 years ago 2
i don't know the original sound of dumble overdrive special but ethos sounds closest to mark 1 in this demo :)
bulenterdem1977 3 years ago
I agree funky...
Iraqveteran8888 3 years ago
zendrive is the smoothest.
zendrive 2 is the most transparent.
ethos has best of the harmonics and sustain.
bulenterdem1977 3 years ago
great and equitable comparison of three pedals which i'm interested to own.
bulenterdem1977 3 years ago
zendrive: $179
zendrive 2: $250
ethos overdrive tle: $395
to me ethos sounds best of all...
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darksimijali 3 years ago
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mercedez7000 2 years ago
mercedez7000 , thank you. Yes, that's the one.
towbeansoil 2 years ago
@towbeansoil // Into The Night by Santana
playboysreturn 11 months ago
Lets face it, good tone is simply about good compression, clipping that doesn't slop up note clarity and a bit of inter modulation distortion. The Ethos box sounded the best aside from the boogie which the two were interchangeable identical twins in tone and feel. The Dumble reputation relies on tube mythicism when it comes down to it.
JonDeth 3 years ago
I agree totally. That and about 95 percent of the sound you are going to get is in your playing anyway. Sometimes folks rely on gear too much. I've been guilty of it before.
Iraqveteran8888 3 years ago
Crazy how much people will pay for his amps. Rumor is, John Mayer spent somewhere around 60-80 thousand for his Dumble amp.
I guess business was slow that year!
JonDeth 3 years ago
I guess so! LOL
You can't buy skill!
Iraqveteran8888 3 years ago
Tell that to these young pop stars making 40 million a year by putting their name on someone else's work!
Watching Madonna play guitar the last couple years was like watching a monkey put on a business suit
JonDeth 3 years ago 5
Yeah that's true. At least John Mayer is making an attempt to bring roots music to the masses. I've heard he is very cocky about it though...not professional. He takes me as being a real chode but I could be wrong.
Iraqveteran8888 3 years ago
It's commercial entertainment that without the corporations, most musicians and performers would remain local nobodies.
Unfortunately that reality seems to escape most of them, the success they're handed feeds to their ego and they get thick and swollen in the head.
Mayer isn't my taste but at least he doesn't seem like one more corporate cunt...he's too cocky to be a cunt! :p
JonDeth 3 years ago
Very true...The music business is a bunch of garbage now if you ask me. The days of Freddy King and Albert Collins are gone...It would take a hell of a good attempt by somebody ALOT better than John Mayer to bring it back, but I don't blame him for trying. Hell he's making money playing music...that worth a bit in itself. Plus he got to bang Jessica Simpson so I really can't hate him.
Iraqveteran8888 3 years ago
Once my demo is cut, circulating and I start performing live, I think I'll be able to change the demands and standards of the consumers.
Everyone is so fucking agreeable to the status quo these days it's pathetic. Every so often the people need someone thrown into the brightest spotlight to challenge their choices as well as the establishment grooming them.
Unlike the last to do it, I have no intentions of falling into the corporate production line trap or eating the barrel of a shotgun.
JonDeth 3 years ago
Yeah that is ultimately the goal of all of us. I've been at it for 10 years but believe of not, I never played a live gig until this past December on my own. I mean, I've played with a ton of other people but never done my own deal. It's a tough thing when your standing on the stage and everybody is looking at you wondering what is going ot happen next. Yoou have to deliver the goods. Unfortunately, most of the people who frequent bars are dumbasses.
Iraqveteran8888 3 years ago
That's why recording a demo and promoting it properly is far more important than live performance. I think most bands defeat themselves by not knowing enough about how the business works.
It's worked the same way for basically the last 80 years. If you can write a hit, get it on the radio and the public demands to hear it some more, you're successful. Labels will compete for you with different signing packages.
If you don't have the hits and the know how, it probably won't ever happen.
JonDeth 3 years ago
I'm not really doing it for the money or fame really. I just love doing it, and im not really sure if I want all the headache that comes along with the "big time"
If the right person see me they'll know what they are looking at. Other than that, I dont really concern myself with it much. I just like playing live.
Iraqveteran8888 3 years ago
I'm doing it because I think I have something new to offer the world of music lovers so, I want the world to hear my music. I also want to be able to live off my music and of course if possible, be free of financial concerns.
Becoming a "celebrity" however worries me.
Performing live will probably be the best part of the experience but with my specific goal, it's not first on the structured plan. I think that's the first & most common mistake, having a dream rather than setting a goal.
JonDeth 3 years ago
@JonDeth
Smart broad, though. She'll probably be good one day. Good at playing what style....hmmmm.
It would be fun to put her in a room with Pat Martino talking about the number 12.
sclogse1 9 months ago
there was an ODS on ebay a few weeks ago. it wasn't too expensive, only about57,000
punkdude543 2 years ago
That's because it's all a front and he stuffs the gear full of heroin and cocaine!
JonDeth 2 years ago
hahahaha.
punkdude543 2 years ago
you must add the jetter gain stage red here!!
tylersuhr77 3 years ago
Cannot contact them, but I am planning to get Jetter somehow!! Thanks !!!
playboysreturn 2 years ago
i believe guitarfetish has them for pretty good prices
JD0x0 2 years ago
winner=Ethos
chopperdeath 3 years ago 7
that's right. and what you get with that is actually 3 (4 if you count bypassed to amp) tones... i.e., it's dual (2) channel preamp with a boost (3). so you can line up your clean channel and lead channel. i use one with a really shitty amp and nobody believes it (Bandit II), with a strat! and i'm a LP guy! (i moved my mid pup tone to the bridge).
that's why i was willing to pay that much. i've owed Boogie mkII (1980) and a Triaxis w/2/90... i know what they sound like with a LP.
YMMV
kntrlr8 3 years ago
Very cool! Especially playing a wickercane Boogie .. it sounds very very close to a Dumble when turned up :o)
Sofus99 3 years ago
Those Mesa Boogies are nice. I thought the Lonestar was very dumble-like. Amps and sounds are so subjective.
Iraqveteran8888 3 years ago
Laam jaa...
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Erotism 3 years ago
After toilet,Can not recognized which box active. ......hei hei ;-D
eflat70 3 years ago