Seeds of Revival - Satan's End Time Church?

[riversofglory]

I DO NOT support any of the 'false revival' ministers in your video. That is my position. However, your allegations against some ministers in this video are grossly inaccurate. Your video is a broad sweeping over generalization. You've pitched out the precious baby with the bathwater!

[BARNUMandBENTLEY]

Dear riversofglory, if you can find a "baby" in this scum water, please let us know who it is. We will be happy to retract. Peter Wagner has over 500+ apostate "apostles". There is NOT one orthodox Bible believer among them.

[FleeFROMItchingEARS]

@riversofglory I totally agree with Barnum on this one. C Peter Wagners 500+ apostates from the ICA and NAR represent the spirit of antichrist on this earth. I used to be under one those apostates. They cannot stand scrutiny when someone points out their demonic activities. If you do not fall in line with them then you are called religious or you need more character. They have nothing to do with any move of the HOly Spirit. I pray they repent or God remove them from the earth.

[vinnieActs2030]

No I didn't see this particular video, but it is extremely informative.

I have one question, the church at Lakeland was an Assemblies of God correct?

Why does the Assemblies of God allow Wagner and the pagan apostles preach from their pulpits?

Ok maybe two questions. Lolo

[BARNUMandBENTLEY]

Hi Vinnie, I guess the AOG is so prevelant because they have not been careful enough in watching whom they ordain. Of course the other answer is, maybe they don't care.

[Dulcenaya]

Thank you for exposing the truth. I just want to know how any of these people think they are apostles???

[BARNUMandBENTLEY]

Hi, Dulcenaya, They are all self-appointed apostles. When Peter says recognized, they are recognized only by themselves, and any body they can get to believe them. It is kind of like a carnival hoax.

[repentandfaith]

enough about bents, he's gone. Thank the Lord!

[BARNUMandBENTLEY]

Dear Repentandfaith: The scam artists from Peter Wagner's ICA who gave us Todd are NOT gone.

[pianohbc]

Stephen Strader is the pastor that makes things up!!

[JimQualls]

FOLLOW THE MONEY

Wagner: .. The idea of tithing to the apostle is one of the ideas that has emerged as a way to sustain this whole thing. Not every apostolic network does it this way...

I think this is just something we need to look at. We need to say, "Well, let's see how this works, and if it doesn't work then let's do something better." apostles....

Ministries Today Magazine -- Strange Communications -- July-August 2000

Publishers of CHARISMA MAGAZINE

[sermonfire]

bam.

[Shyne131]

con't... supposed to act and treat their people ? 1 PETER Chapter 5 says a lot about leader conduct !!! That goes for all church leaders.

I think the lack of accountability is shameful !!!

Thanks for your posting. God bless you

[BARNUMandBENTLEY]

Hi Shyne: Thanks for the info! Rod Parsley's music fellow, Clint Brown left a few years ago and opened a "church" in Orlando. He and his wife/co-pastor were getting divorced and when it was reported in the news the number of cars and houses they had and the number of expensive gifts he had bought for "lady preachers" his congregation said they didn't care. He was man of God and whatever he wanted to do with the money was his business after they put it in the plate.

God bless,

Barnum/Jim

[Shyne131]

Cont'd.. There was little cause for people to doubt what was being spoken to them. And in the end they were left high and dry without a shoulder to cry on. And now Wes and Stacey have moved onto another church in Kelowna, which is, coincidentally going to host one of Patricia King's School of Glory !! I am unaware of anyone who promoted this scam at New Life, in the end being found 'guilty' by the courts but what about the ethics ? What about what the Word of God says about how leaders are ...

[Shyne131]

Cont'd. There is no pastor at New Life, they instead have a leadership team. Well, Kim spoke to a journalist and said that basically they love Wes and Stacey and Ralph Bromley and the others, and that people who gave their money to this thing shouldn't have given more than they can afford to lose ( true, but really lacking compassion ). I've seen Wes in action and he is a very compelling and convincing speaker. This was done in the church, and with them being on the leadership team at the time..

[Shyne131]

Very interesting, Barnum. Did you know that about 2-3 years ago that there was also a " fleecing of the sheep" in Wes and Stacey Campbell's ex-church. New Life in Kelowna, BC. Wes and a number of other leaders were suspected but in the end Wes was cleared as were some others. They had gotten invloved with a con artist in the states who pulled in millions ! But that didn't help the victims. Kim Unrau who along with his wife are from tacf. They are a big part of the leadership at New Life.....

[maxtube22]

Its just like reading the history of other false religions like the Roman Catholics, Mormons, etc. This gnostic dominionist religion is little different. All these things should be no surprise to Bible based Christians who are outside of these false religions. What they sow, so shall they reap just like any other false religion in the world of which there are thousands.

[JimQualls]

Hi Max: It looks like Peter Wagner wants to be Pope of the Mega Church. I think I'll do more on him. I don't he has a non-heretic in his 500+ apostles and multitude of associated "prophets".

Jim