Precious Few Heroes: The case for Scottish independence (Part 1 of 3)

[jack834834]

@m00nshine2004 don't mistake a desire for self determination as "hating the English". The English are our closest neighbours and our oldest friends, independence can only strengthen our relationship.

[m00nshine2004]

@jack834834

Yes you say that. And that's very noble of you. But just scroll down and read some comments. Debating Scottish independence is like debating the Muslim religion in the UK. Some want to live in harmony with Christians and others want to wipe the infidel out. Aut we haven't even started yet. You wanna see hatred? In the unlikely event that the Scots ever vote for independence the first thing they will do is lay claim to the oil. That's when the real fun will start!

[PatchesRips]

Braveheart... a Yank playing a Scot and an Irishman playing an Englishman. :)

[m00nshine2004]

@PatchesRips

That's the least of the films problems. Mel Gibson plays William Wallace or Braveheart. But it was Robert The Bruce who was Braveheart.

[NOVATICANWARS]

Anti Union Propaganda. well made , Skilfull. . But..When King James of Scotland Became King OF Britian, that,s whatmade us the one country, .Legal Union was accomplished in !707., With the consent of a majority of the scots parties.popular opposition to it has been grossly exageratedand well within the next 100 years people had settled down.The Sepratists(snp) have litterally BILLIONS of pounds Behind them and have been conducting a propaganda campaign thru their,well paid stooges in the media

[jack834834]

@NOVATICANWARS The film makes very clear the situation re the union of the crowns, devoting a specific segment to that very topic - so it's difficult to see what your beef is there. Legal union was accomplished with the consent of a political majority as a result of fairly well documented bribery (so the exaggeration or otherwise of public outcry is neither here nor there really). This is not an SNP or pro SNP film, but to suggest that the media is somehow an SNP propaganda machine is laughable

[NOVATICANWARS]

@jack834834 \\\\\\thefilmis entitled The case for Scottish independence. and it puts it over well. using"the very soft sell"Scottish radio and tv are in the hands of the supporters of the sepratists.

[jack834834]

@NOVATICANWARS if only my friend.  if only.

[m00nshine2004]

@jack834834

You can only bribe someone who is willing to be bribed. And the Scots have a very long history of selling themselves out for a quick buck. William Wallace being another noted example. However, I do take your point. The film doesn't shy away from any of this. It puts the case for Independence very well. But it won't happen. The SNP will be far too aggressive in their campaign and the majority of liberal Scots will vote the the status quo.

[MrRabioza]

@NOVATICANWARS King James was never King of Britain! The first monarch of Britain was Queen Anne in 1707. James became King James VI of Scotland and James I of England and Ireland.

[NOVATICANWARS]

@MrRabioza i stated that " legal union was accomplished in 1707"..."de facto" James achieved this when he became King of England and ireland.

[MrRabioza]

@NOVATICANWARS you stated 'King James of Britain'. Also, legal union accomplished in 1707? they were two completelty different unions and so dont get how somehow 1707 made the first legal union? i.e. the first was a union of crowns (nothing to do with 2 countries merging) and the second was a parlimentary union (nothing to do with crown union which already existed). Queen Anne (first British Monarch) had no influence on the parlimentry union so I'm confused as to why it is now the 'legal' union.

[NOVATICANWARS]

@MrRabioza And i trust you will remain "confused"..

[MrRabioza]

@NOVATICANWARS ha ha, ok, point taken :-)

[qwertysam01]

Very good video as a Scott though, I must admit could we survive on r own, I mean didn't Westminster bale out all our banks how much national debt would we have to the the English?

[MsJadeEem]

@qwertysam01 I think you aren't actually a 'scott' as you can't even spell 'Scot' correctly. Yes we (people who actually are Scottish) could survive after independence. The economy is a 'reserved' issue for Westminster, which means it is their responsibility and they regulate (obviously not we enough) all the Banks in Britain, RBS and HBOS might have the word Scotland in them but we don't control them. So it is not our fault they had to be bailed out.

[albabhoy81]

That's the absolute best thing I've ever, seen, read, heard regarding Scottish independence. So calm, so inoffensive. It gives unionist nothing to come back with as it pOO pOO's the Braveheaty shortbread nonsense they hit out with.

[WuTangWallace]

guys: get real.

[jack834834]

@WuTangWallace don't worry. we're on that.

[segano1]

Newsnet Scotland is where the truth is at now!

Google "Newsnet Scotland" the first unbiased truth on the union and independence.

[Alastairbell]

my scottish poem........................Fr­eedom is Alive,After all these years! Within every scot freedom is laced with many fears! Scotland,s Nation and her people must stand! And vote for Independence,Her liberty,Her land! Stand up scots and be visible AGAIN! To honour her woman and children and her Proud Proud men!!..................Saor alba!

[baudron]

This video will open many people's eyes the truth is out there newsnetscotland

[jediirnbru]

Absolutely fantastic. Cuts through all the tartan and shortbread nonsense and treats the idea of independence with the utmost respect.

Brilliant brilliant stuff

[SCOTTISHB0Y]

I Believe that it is England who are the ones who should be kicked out of the UK and that Ireland should become united and Join Scotland and Wales in a much Superior Culturally brilliant continent called "No Posh Pricks Allowed".

And For the people who think that we would become bankrupt without englands support. Well Scotland would make billions of pounds from the oil reserves inside Of Scotland

What really pisses me off about england is they use the sterling pound which a Scot Created and the

[TheKnightsOfCamelot]

 It does not matter what race or religion you are because if you love Scotland and live there you are a Scot in every way. Don't sell Scotland out and peacefully strive for independence.

[NOVATICANWARS]

@TheKnightsOfCamelot Anyone anywhere can be born anywhere. If a Zulu or an Eskimo or an Australian happens to give birth,in..say Glasgow ...Does that make the offspring "Scottish"?? Of course not, never in a Billion years. If they are brought up here as say, a Bhuddist ,.. Scottish?? The differences between the indiginous people,s of our island or so slight as to be non existent, the sepratists say hate your fellow Briton because they were born in Leeds or London or Newcastle!Unity NOT division!

[MrRabioza]

@NOVATICANWARS not sure if separists due preech hatered but I'm sure you know your stuff to make such a satement? i.e. do you have links to any evidence I can read? may be a vote swinger if you do :-)

[TheKnightsOfCamelot]

Now is the time for Scottish independence if you want to save what is left of it's wilderness, it's character, and it's will. Stop urban sprawl, preserve all farmland, become self-sufficient, create a strong justice system, reduce immigration, and prohibit non citizens abroad from buying up your real-estate. You will loose Scottland if you don't.

[TheBritishWatcher]

Rubbish. 

[WooyCaWoowian]

Why are you overly concerned about The Scottish Independence debate when England is in much greater danger of being absorbed by the agenda and vested interests of the Multi-National Corporations. In England, legalism thrives, justice is almost non-existent, and the voice of the common folk is ignored which is treason. Why would the Scottish want to continue with this?

[TheBritishWatcher]

You paint an interesting picture of England but none of it poses a threat to the continuation of my country in the way Scottish separatism does if separatists were successful in their aims.

Thankfully most people in Scotland support the union. :)

[TheKnightsOfCamelot]

@TheBritishWatcher The only way to have a better expression of the will of the people is through nationalism. Global trade before added a spice to life ,(thus the spice route ) but now it totally dominates every nations economy and in a large part it's national agenda. The globalist have no allegiance, providence, and are on a runaway train under the guise of a twisted modern humanist dogma. The bigger the world is the less voice we have. Through Local autonomy we have power in ownership.

[1scot4scotland]

You have stated why it is you are here and I quote " it is about opposing those who seek to destroy my country " Good on you but maybe your better looking for the Taliban . " imagine how you would feel if Scotland was independent and separatists wanted to split it in half? ( WOW imagine how the Irish felt ) I Cant believe you hold this view as an Englishman/Brit . It's just typical that you believe that you have a clam on Scotland that is stronger than my own . 

[TheBritishWatcher]

Members of the taliban are pretty rare on youtube and they do not pose the threat to the United Kingdom separatists within our country do. As for Ireland, the trouble is the people of the north wanted to remain part of the UK. Why should their views have been ignored?

Scotland is just as much part of my country as it is yours. You have the right to vote in a referendum as you live in Scotland, but that does not stop Scotland being part of my country and i do not want my country broken up.

[1scot4scotland]

@TheBritishWatcher I don't know what to say ; you think I'm a threat to you more than a member of the Taliban ? Let me tell you Something You're warped ! This is the stuff that lie's at the core of the likes of you . No offence but It's quite sad . You have been heavily scaremongered that much is obvious , who has done that to you ? where does it come from ? Ask yourself these questions and you will see who your enemies actually are .

[TheBritishWatcher]

A bunch of terrorists can kill some people, they can not destroy our country. Something you separatists if successful could do.

My enemies are those who seek the destruction of my country. Of course terrorists/ taliban are worse and would use violence unlike you separatists, but the fact remains you separatists pose a bigger threat to the continuation of our nation than the taliban do.

[1scot4scotland]

@TheBritishWatcher This so called "destruction" will be a democratic choice made by the people, It's called Independence . In fact I would say that you are the one who wants to "destroy" the country . First the democratic right to self-governance and the freedom to choice our own future but now democracy itself ! . Also surely the "destruction" of a country would come under as that country's security ? You think Scots like me are more of a threat than terrorists, are you MAD ?

[TheBritishWatcher]

Your not violent, how ever we have seen where separatism can lead in Northern Ireland, and we both saw that video of that brainwashed kid who hinted there may be violence if Scotland was not freed from what he seems to think is worse than nazi occupation

You do want to destroy my country. I do consider it a threat to our national security yes . of course in a democracy you are free to have such views, i am not suggesting you cant or ur worse than terrorists. Just separatism is more of a risk

[1scot4scotland]

" I don't believe Scotland would be better off independent "

Britishwatcher you're acting pathetic , go watch this video a couple more times .

I'm now beginning to see that jealousy is the reason you're here .

Go concentrate on England ! sorting your own mess first might be a

good idea before trying to promote the Idea of Scotland in union with England .

You are failing miserably to convince anyone of union , so you switch to

attempts of disproving the case for Independence .

[TheBritishWatcher]

I have watched it in great detail. I have seem many flaws in it which i will happily go through with you if you want. This has nothing to do with jealousy, it is about opposing those who seek to destroy my country, imagine how you would feel if Scotland was independent and separatists wanted to split it in half?

I am simply debating a matter of interest, i debate matters of importance mostly relating to england too. Us having a debate does not clean up anything.

[TheBritishWatcher]

You say that i am ffailing miserably to convince anyone of union, that may be the case in our little debate here. Thankfully the case for the union is being won in Scotland. Even Alex Salmond this week has admitted that independence is not the central issue in Scottish politics today.

Hes basically admitted it aint going to happen and is now focusing on just getting some financial powers. I can fully support and live with that. The Scottish parliament can take blame for taxation. :)

[1scot4scotland]

Fact is

England could keep voting right-wing parties in

like the tories until the next millennium and

and no matter how many people in Scotland voted for

left-wing party's the party in power would always be

England's choice . If England says no and Scotland says

yes , guess who's voice holds the most in this UK ?

That is the fundamental flaw in this union and the

only way to make it democratic ( because thats not

anywhere near democratic ) is by gaining Independence .

[TheBritishWatcher]

But its not. this election has proven that. England overwhelmingly voted for the conservative party. They had such an overall majority from England they could have governed the UK if it was just England, Wales and Northern Ireland. Scotland not voting tory in high enough numbers prevented the conservative party from forming a government, it had to form a coalition with the lib dems who will water down their "right wing policies".

[1scot4scotland]

Snp got more votes in Scotland but got less seats than lib-dems at this election . So more of us voted Labour and SNP than what's now in government in London . " Scotland would go off to the far looney left if independent which would be bad for Scotland " Remember what I said about respecting Scotland ? This takes us back to the London knows best attitude, when in fact they have Made the place a TRAIN WRECK . Not a shred of credibility now lies in London for Successful Governance .

[TheBritishWatcher]

and most people did not vote labour when they were in power, they voted for all other parties combined. Labour got about 35% of the UK vote share in 2005. This coalition government has 59% of the UK vote share and 35% of Scotlands vote share. Conservatives got a higher vote share in England in 2005 than Labour.

But the fact remains the majority of people in Scotland, about 78% voted for the 3 parties committed to the United Kingdom. Labour respects the UK result just as tories did in 2005.

[TheBritishWatcher]

Scotland would move more to the left just as England would move more to the right. You do not have to support political leanings of a nation to respect the country. I respect the USA, i am not happy about the far left path it is on under the crazy Obama.

Has nothing to do with London knows best, it was simply pointing out England and Scotland (and wales) together help form a more moderate centralist approach. where as the nations would go more towards the left / right if independent. 

[1scot4scotland]

@TheBritishWatcher

" You do not have to support political leanings of a

nation to respect the country." That's true but how about

respecting our right to vote for whoever the hell we like and

that's not a bad thing, you think it is .

[TheBritishWatcher]

I respect the right for Scotland to vote for who it likes, it can do that now. if the majority of people there voted for the SNP i would respect the fact there must be a referendum on Scottish independence and i would expect Westminster to respect the result of that referendum.

But i think Scotland moving to the far left would be a bad thing for Scotland. Its not disrespectful to say that.

[1scot4scotland]

@TheBritishWatcher

" I respect the right for Scotland to vote for who it likes,

it can do that now " I take it By that you mean devolution ?

By recognising that fact shows that The Scottish parliament

is the true democratic choice for Scotland and that we no

longer need to vote in the UK elections . More power from

London is the Next step and then Independence .

Government officials have known this since the seventies

that's why they delayed devolution for 30 odd years .

[TheBritishWatcher]

I mean both. As i have said before, if the majority of people in Scotland voted for the SNP in the UK general election or got they majority of the Scottish seats then i accept there must be a referendum on independence.

[1scot4scotland]

Also it's not just the SNP that support Independence

there are more . Would Scotland vote

labour in an Independent Scotland ? I believe that answer is

yes . Would Scotland like to continue to vote Labour and get torie ?

I believe that answer is no . Would we in Scotland prefer an Independent

Scotland with a Labour party in power that we actually voted for,

or a David Cameron ( or any torie leader ) governing us from London

that we didn't vote for ?

[TheBritishWatcher]

A minority of people who vote labour, conservative and lib dem would also vote for independence yes. The last breakdown of the vote from these groups that would vote yes for independence was in a poll just before the election last month

Would vote yes for independence:

8% Conservative

14% Lab

25% Lib Dem

77% SNP

Fact remains if you feel so strongly about independence, u should not vote for a unionist party.

[TheBritishWatcher]

Well a majority have voted labour in Scotland since the 1950s, although the conservatives were not that far behind them before the 80s / 90s in terms of votes

I think if Scotland had not had a change of government because of the UK vote going against labour, after awhile people in Scotland would have voted for change.Labour couldnt have been in power 50 years.

As for prefering a independent Scotland with labour than a UK with a tory government. Most support union so no. Besides its a coalition

[1scot4scotland]

The only benefit you can really come up with for Scotland

is we're " at the G8/G20 " but if you get a pen and paper out

put the heading Scotland and the union,

on one side write pro's and on the other write con's,

draw a line between them and start weighing the two .

I done properly

You will see things from a different

and more practical perspective, I Guarantee it .

Do it for England and it's the same .

[TheBritishWatcher]

Lmao if i did such a list it would show very few benefits to breaking up the union, for both England and Scotland. Tell me how exactly you think Scotland would be better off independent.. Give me some of ur list.

[1scot4scotland]

You are pushing water up a steep hill

trying to convince anyone that Illegal wars , mountains of debt

Lying thieving London politicians are a good thing .

Scotland doesn't need to put up with all this pish

and the monumental mess that has been created .

I think you cant stand the fact that Scotland has an

alternative and you do not .

[TheBritishWatcher]

Proof either war was illegal? We have mountains of debt because of a labour government, which Scotland overwhelmingly voted for. If Scotland went independent it would have to take its share of UK debt

I have never said Scotland could not survive as an independent state, i just think it would be worse off. the same goes for England. There is no reason why an independent England would not survive. In one way i would actually benefit. An independent England would swing 2 the right (im right wing)

[1scot4scotland]

@TheBritishWatcher

" An independent England would swing 2 the right "

Yes and Scotland is profoundly left wing . Again this

Just highlights that we are different . For you to suggest

that the single most important reason that Scotland voted

Labour was because They are pro union then I think your mistaken .

I think the most likely reason was to keep the tories out,

better the devil you know than the devil you dont sort of attitude .

[TheBritishWatcher]

The fact Scotland is more left wing and England is more right wing helps make our nations more moderate and successful by merging the two together. Scotland would go off to the far looney left if independent which would be bad for Scotland, and England going too far to the right would be bad for England.

Ive never said that is the reason they voted labour. ALl i said was most people in Scotland voted for unionist parties. If they want independence they must vote SNP who oppose the union

[1scot4scotland]

You do not believe Scotland will be better off as an Independent

nation , I do . I dont believe we are better off being ruled by London,

You do . No matter what you say Self-determination is a

good thing and a positive thing for any self respecting nation .

Dependency for success on the other hand is an unstable and all

round negative thing .

Just Look at Scotland from health, social deprivation and

hard drug use we have our own set of challenges,

England has there's .

[TheBritishWatcher]

I dont believe Scotland would be better off independent, i can give you many reasons why this is the case. It is for you as a separatist to prove to the people of Scotland in an honest way how they would be better. Sadly you people just use lies and misleading claims, like "oil solves everything".

Certain parts of England have huge health, social deprivation and hard drug use problems, this is a specific problem to parts of Scotland just as it is to England and ur parliament is incharge anyway

[1scot4scotland]

As I said I respect the fact you feel your national identity is mostly British ( maybe that's why so many people mistake Britishness = Englishness ). I Know we all live on the British isles but that doesnt make the Irish any less Irish my friend . I may hold a British passport but I'm sure if Scottish people were actually given the choice they'd chose a Scottish one . They're small things that dont really matter , Independence is a good thing in most other nations book except Londons .

[TheBritishWatcher]

Near the end of the second video it talks about how viable an independent Scotland would be. Saying "we could save 2 billion a year getting rid of weapons of mass destruction". It fails to point out that is the overall UK cost of trident, Scotlands share of that which would be "saved" is only 200 million.

The same applies to the replacement of trident. It talks of 100 billion (a figure made up by Green peace). But that covers 40 years, so Scotlands share would be just 200-250 million a year

[1scot4scotland]

Trust you to be on here TheBritishWatcher

Your English this has nothing to do with you .

that's not an insult , but you even being here

says allot . There is a strong and perfectly legitimate and valid

case for Independence , why can you not respect it ??

Why do you try and disprove it ?

Do you not realise that you look stupid ?

[TheBritishWatcher]

I am British, this propaganda and its supporters are attempting to destroy my country, there for it has everything to do with me.

There is a case for independence, sadly people including this video go out of their way to mislead the Scottish people about it. Who comes across looking stupid would depend on your point of view on the whole situation and of course what matters is the outcome and who has the last laugh. :)

[1scot4scotland]

@TheBritishWatcher

You are being a scaremongered fool, you cant see it can you ?

" destroy my country " Just because you're scared of Scottish Independence

doesn't mean Scots who watch this

Scottish video should be infected with your FEAR .

Here is the fundamental Problem with you ....

" who has the last laugh " Scottish Independence is not about

who gets that last laugh , it's not a fight an argument or a who can

get one up . The sooner you realise that you will become a better man .

[TheBritishWatcher]

Im sorry but you do want to destroy my country. You may object to terms like ""destroy" and "separatist" but under any definition that is what you want to do. Of course i am worried about the future of my country when some people seek to undermine it, surely that is natural? The fact i feel so strongly about wanting Scotland to remain part of the UK shows how important Scotland is to me

Im not trying to infect people with fear, i want to talk about the flaws in this video so people aint misled

[TheBritishWatcher]

This is about a fight for the survival of my country and my national identity.

You can be damn sure i want you separatists to lose and you will in time. It is not about "getting one up", it is about not losing, not losing my country which you people want to destroy.

[1scot4scotland]

I also noticed you trying to pick holes ( and failed ) in this video

In regards to Oil . Think about it like this ( because your English )

Here we are in 2010 North sea oil is estimated to be at around the

half way mark so ask yourself what nation in the world would have

Shared half yes HALF of there most valuable natural resource with

there closest neighbour ? We dont even ask for anything in return .

Not even a thank you . Why can you not respect Scots

who want self-determination?

[1scot4scotland]

I can respect the fact that you consider your national Identity

as British . I see myself by far more Scottish along with

most of my Neighbours , friends , most of my family and most

of Scottish people in general , what make us British

is all the artificial contraband, but at the core we are Scottish

and there is differences in me and you because we are

different . You tend to see us as all the

same when in fact thats just not the case so respect the Scottish

perspective please .

[1scot4scotland]

It's nice to think we are all the same ( the Scottish and the English )

but in reality we are not we are distinctly different and you know it .

We are however in my opinion all a family on these British Isles

Scots , welsh , English and all the Irish and our relationships

with each other are not at there best nether are they as good as

they should be . In the 21st century there is now no need for political

and constitutional union apart from British nationalistic

sentimental reasons .

[TheBritishWatcher]

Most people in Scotland do see themselves as Scottish, but the majority also see themselves as British. Only a minority say they are "Scottish NOT British"

You say that British is an artificial contraband, Rubbish. Explain to me exactly how British is any less of an identity than Scottish is? Not all Scottish people think the same thing, do the same thing and want the same thing. Something like the Kilt may be a Scottish symbol, but you do not have to ever wear one or like it to be Scottish.

[1scot4scotland]

You are now struggling to make your point

BritishWatcher . Your going on about kilts and how not

everybody wants the same thing etc which are poor points .

Why are you even here ;

ramming your British nationalist views and calling people

names that have a Negative association with them ?

I'm a human being and I'm Scottish who also happens to believe

In the capability's of all Scots , regardless of what British

nationalists want me or any other scot to believe .

[TheBritishWatcher]

I am not struggling to make my point, i notice you failed to answer the question which shows you are struggling. There is no reason why Scottish is any more of a valid identity than being British is. All comes down to how an individual feel.

[1scot4scotland]

You should start showing some respect for Scotland

and stop being so arrogant ( I know it;s in your nature )

so just drop it . You are hugely disrespectful .

Answer this , why should Scotland still be ruled from London ?

What is so great about Staying in this bankrupt Union ?

who in Scotland actually likes the fact we are controlled from London ?

When have we ever being given the choice or an alternative to

the status quo ?

[TheBritishWatcher]

I have a huge amount of respect for Scotland, why the hell would i feel so strongly about wanting Scotland to remain part of the UK if i did not care about Scotland and people in Scotland? You talk of respecting Scottish people, well lets respect the votes of those in Scotland. Almost 2 million people (1.900,000) in Scotland voted for unionist parties. only 491.000 voted for the separatist SNP.

London is capital of the UK, Scottish people support the United Kingdom. It aint complicated

[TheBritishWatcher]

I have told you many times benefits of the union, you refuse to recognise or accept them because of your own arrogance. Watching the news today, 1 benefit.. Scotland is represented at the G8/G20 because it is part of the United Kingdom. An independent Scotland would not even make it into the G40 if one existed.

The people of Scotland had a choice about a month and a half ago. They had the chance to all vote for the separatist SNP which would give them "freedom from London rule". But they didnt

[TheBritishWatcher]

The figures prove this is not the case. You are simply misleading people about oil as all separatists do. I respect the people of Scotlands right to self determination IF they want independence. The point is the majority of people in Scotland do NOT want independence. It is not hard to understand this surely?

[TheBritishWatcher]

There are many issues. For a start in part of the video it talks about oil revenue and makes out as though the money has simply gone to the UK treasury. It fails to point out that there is far higher spending per head in Scotland compared to England which means Scotland is not losing out when taking into account north sea oil, despite it being considered a reserved matter.

Check the Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland figures.

[earlofislay]

@TheBritishWatcher You, Sir, are either an ignoramus or,one to whom willful deceit comes as second nature. Surely it can be understood that no country wishes to rule another, to the loss, or expense, of the ruler. If this simple truth evades your intellectual forces, then, You, Sir, are quite without the resources to maintain any argument whatsoever and, in the context of this frippery, We are disposed to tolerate with forbearance, such upstart countenance and utter lack of honour and decorum.

[TheBritishWatcher]

My country is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. What makes scotland any more of an entity than my country? It is not about one country ruling another, England and Scotland united in union, we have been part of the same country for over 300 years now.

[earlofislay]

@TheBritishWatcher The passing of time is no more than such. A thief is still a thief, and a lie, no matter how silver, remains but a lie.

[Norrie754]

Well done, some of the historical points could be argued about but the economic argument was well put and no one can argue with. Some good choice of music

[TheBritishWatcher]

The video is deeply flawed, especially the 2nd and 3rd parts.

[LuathFingal]

For me that is what comes across.

[LuathFingal]

Good attempt but, youre talking nonsense about the Darien Scheme. IT WAS NOT THE PREMISE FOR THE UNION. The thing that started of the Act of Union was due to the fact that ENGLAND was BANKRUPT even more than Scotland. Due to the war in SPAIN.

The English Government was in debt to the tune of £14.5M in1707 doubling to £36M by 1715. While the Scots goverment was in Debt to the tune of ~£3M (if that!)

Please read:

The Union of 1707 Why and How by Paul Henderson Scott, The Saltire Society

[jack834834]

@LuathFingal

Valid points, but the film doesn't say that the Darien Scheme was the "premise" for the union, merely that much of our "checkered history" with England, and the union - "stems" from mistakes made with regards the Darien scheme.

Money was definitely at the heart of it, and that is mentioned. But there's only so much detail you can include in a half hour documentary.

[Rfc1Darryl]

Great Video, Was a wee bit offended with the trainspotting guy slagging us, but then saying that we are colonised by wankers, makes me wanna strive for independence all the more

[icklemidgie]

absolutly bloody brilliant ********** laughing and crying at same time, good show! x