this hitchens guy is just frustrated. he has never been through anything tough in his life to turn to faith. he doesn't know what its like to be at the bottom while facing adversity and all of a sudden witness a miracle of your life being saved by God. this guy is irrelevant hes just another dude trying to cause trouble. i agree religion is corrupt but it can't destroy the fact that miracles do occur and cannot be explained other than a strong faith. and he didn't own hannity u damn fanboys
@scarsofbravery He died of Cancer at the end of 2011 "This Hitchens guy is just frustrated. He has never been through anything tough in his life to turn to faith" Is incredibly naive and shows you know nothing.
He tried all these arguments on William Lane Craig and was destroyed.
For example, he uses the fact that a solar system collapses to back up his claim that there is no creator. WLC pretty much said that just because something doesn't last forever is not proof that it wasn't designed. Cars don't last forever.
Kathy: Don't think Hitch made Hannity look like an idiot; Hitch is so sharp he just let Hannity do it himself!! What always amazes me is that, when questioned, people like Hannity show they are only deists; yet they do not have the intellect to realize it or the honesty to admit that they believe in something based on no evidence at all!! Thanks for posting!
@peace4universe - enumerate? Does "endless" not do it justice? Unless we absolutely know what set the universe in motion,then the possibilities are endless. Positing a god doesn't answer the question - much less a god with man-like qualities that creates us erroneous and then judges us on the flaws of his creation.
What makes you think that MY role in his "plan" isn't to question his very existence? Who are you to say that my role isn't to be an atheist? Who am I to alter god's plan?
Hannity-"to be an atheist, you have to believe that the universe came from nothing." Uh, wrong! To be an atheist, I have to disbelieve that your god did it. Theist really do seem to have the toughest time figuring out what atheism is - or better still, what it ISN'T.
Hannity subscribes to the theory that there are only 2 possiblities. 1. God did it. Or, 2. It came from nothing. It's a false dichotomy, and there are an endless number of other possibilities.
Your body is a witness that you were created with a plan;and what is YOUR role in that plan you should try to know but you are in denial so that the temporary enjoyment of your life should not get diminished
No proof to anything in any religion on this earth. Who is anyone to say they know. ALL RELIGIOUS BOOKS WERE WRITTEN BY MAN with no proof to be found anywhere.
I have referred him the criteria of authenticity of text in Islam while in any other religion the text cannot be examined for authenticity. /watch?v=2E0QOrRYOSk
You see the biggest problem with dogmatic religious trolls such as yourself is that religions use themselves as evidence. They say that there is proof that god exists because the bible says so, and yet when asked how they know the bible is true they reply by saying that it was dictated by god! It's the use of this same paradoxical argument that you preachers enforce your ideas even though they have no actual basis.
Religious books were not sent from above the sky to be just taken as the word of God, they all were sent through Messengers who were examined in the most meticulous ways by their people and were accepted to be the Prophets because of the miracles that they showed to their people.
Qur'an is the Miracle of last Prophet of God and it contains many facts that can be examined through latest discoveries and be shown as words of God.
@peace4universe That's all nice and all but do u have actual proof of these 'discoveries', 'words of god', the 'meticulous examinations' and the 'miracles'? Or do u base this on what you read in a book?
What disturbs me about charity in the name of religion is that theists do this to curry favors with their god/s, not for the end of bettering humanity, I actually consider it immoral or at the very least false.
@MyPersonalFavourites They taught me the proper islam, my family is still muslim. Just my passion for science and the scientific method made me doubt it and eventually realize religion is clearly man made.
@peace4universe Ofcourse Atheism is man made. Atheism is simply the absence of belief in supernatural deities. Atheism doesn't exist without man :P . And how does it make it bad?, religion is man made yet you seem to love it so much
Atheism is man made but religion is from the maker of man.
Those men who do not want to get their freedom restricted, search for an excuse to deny God and revelation and to reject Prophets and so they keep on trying to propose one theory after the other.
When Darwin did not give his theory, they still gave excuses that universe is eternal , and living things come up spontaneously.
But Darwin gave them a scientific way to adhere to their position, that's all.
@peace4universe I hope you realize that just because science can't prove or explain something yet, it doesn't automattically mean that there is a god. You need to provide evidence for the existence of god. And as far as i know none of the thousands and thousands of religions that have existed throughout human history and the ones that dominate today have done that.
And why would anyone want to restrict their freedom? your point doesn't help your argument in any way.
@peace4universe Why not? why can't god let himself be known to me in a logical way? why does he instead choose to contact humanity through some random tradesman or carpenter or exiled prince in random ass deserts? ... no one is claiming that there isn't absolutely no way there is a god .. as an atheist i simply choose not to have blind faith in something that there isn't any evidence for ...
This world is a place of trial where he gives responsibility of his scriptures on someone and tests him how he fares in passing on the message and on others a duty to search for what they get from him and how they accept, spread and materialise it into their life.
He has ingrained a conscience and longing in human soul to know Him and we try to suppress or stimulate our inherent longing to find the truth or debase our soul.
@peace4universe logical way would be to simply let the people of the world know in their minds that he exists. Rather then play these stupid games and try to trick us. And i disagree , my longing to find the truth and try to understand the universe led me to realize that religions are very "local",and chances are clearly man-made.
Yes he has let the people know in their mind that he exists.
The ones who resist this evidence of their own souls are the ones who are hiding the truth.
And he sent guidance of Islam to every nation and to every people with his message through his messengers but the people either changed, lost or forgot it.
So God sent the last revelation to be well preserved in the form of Qur'an.
Qur'an is the guidance for whole of the mankind, not " local" !
@peace4universe lol see now consider your statement. Your god, the creator of countless galaxies, and the countless stars in them, couldn't even send a convincing enough or strong enough message that mere people changed it or forgot it :P? . Consider the abrahamic religions, their history only lies locally in the mid-east. No prophet has ever been documented to come to china, south africa europe or even the americas. I have read the Quran & i find it extremely unfit to be a guidance for humans.
Manu, was the one who gave Hindu law and he was Prophet Noah peace be upon him, But Hindus do not consider him as Prophet as they have forgotten his message.
@peace4universe again, you fail to see the simple fallacy and illogic in your statement. An omnipotent being should be able to convince the world of its existence. Yet your god chooses to send unconvincing prophets that people have "forgotten."
The Ancient US people must have recieved guidance from God in the form of revelations.
But we have not been given the descriptions of all the Prophets that were sent. Prophet Muhammad was the last Prophet sent to humanity so his message was vigilantly preserved.
There is no one as Prophet after after him.
I hope you got the answer that no Prophet will come any more.
@peace4universe nope I'm sorry but there were many men who claimed prophecy who came after mohammed. Each one of them has every right to be a prophet as mohammed was. I'm truly sorry but I find it extremely sad that you make up such delusions to defend certain illogical aspects of religion. I wish for once you would just be brave enough and consider that your religion is just like the thousands and thousands of religions that have exist and will exists llong after islam is gone, man-made.
@peace4universe except that Hitchens says that to call Islam a religion of peace(regardless of followers who are peaceful i.e westernized/secular) is false, and he was criticizing BUSH. He recognizes as a TRUE anti-theist, above being a Marxist Muslim apologist who is simply being so in order to be anti-western, that the greatest threat to freedom is radical Islam. He is a Winston Churchill who knows the threat (what evil is) before it materializes, like Churchill knew of the Nazi's in1930!
@eorobinson3 This is a response to your queries regarding in what way, is Islam a religion of peace. Please take your time to digest the belowmentioned ;-
Islam clearly prohibits all kinds and forms of aggression and violence against anyone, except in self-defense. Islam is a practical religion, meant to be implemented in every aspect of our life. Therefore, it realizes the fact that a person who commits aggression and violence against others will not cease these actions unless they are deterred by similar actions taken against them.
Islam also places very high importance on justice, and allows for aggressors and unjust people be punished accordingly, unless they repent before they are brought to justice. At the same time, Islam encourages people to forgive those who have wronged them whenever possible.
Evidence of these ideals can be found in the Holy Qur'an, which is the word of God revealed to the messenger of God, Mohammad (pbuh). It can also be found in the Hadith, the sayings of Mohammad (pbuh), and in his teachings to Muslims. A few examples of this are shown below from the Holy Qur'an :
"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, and do not transgress; for Allah loveth not transgressors." [Surah 2, Verse 190]
"But if they cease (fighting you), Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." [Surah 2, Verse 192]
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is the One that Heareth and Knoweth (all things)." [Surah 8, Verse 61]
"The prohibited month, for the prohibited month, and so for all things prohibited, there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves." [Surah 2, Verse 194]
" ... and let not the hatred of some people in (once) shutting you out of the Sacred Mosque lead you to transgression (and hostility on your part). Help ye one another in righteousness and piety, but help ye not one another in sin and rancour: fear Allah: for Allah is strict in punishment." [Surah 5, Verse 2]
but hindus and buddhist dont believe in "judgement day".........they believe in karma- the cause and effect that takes place within a persons life.....no-after death punishments!!!......so who is right?
The concept of the day of Judgement was there in all revelations but people either removed it or started twisting it.
The Hindus currently believe in many births , each birth as a result of karma or deeds done in previous birth while their scriptures clearly say that God does not give many births.
Buddhism does not believe even in god.
But Buddhists worship Buddha as God incarnate and as coming to the world in earlier births too.
Seems to be a deformed description of Prophethood !
There are strict criteria for Islamic texts to be considered authentic while there are no such criteria in previous scriptures as they all were timely religions
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ur doing the same thing tht every other regious person does-'claiming tht ur religion is superior and true compared to other religion'- & the only way u do is by quoting ur own religious text....... u follow islam & u claim its true bcoz mohammed says so.........christians believe tht christianity is true bcoz bible says so........wat u fail to see is tht the logic that u use makes ur argument silly and ridiculous
Muslims believe that God does not beget a son as he is a transcendent being who cannot be compared to anyone.
He sent messengers to whole humanity till the last one who was Prophet Muhammad , all of them bringing the same message , of asking people to obey God.
Jesus , peace be upon him was the last but one messenger who was sent to bring Children of Israel to the right path and to announce the coming of the last Prophet with final message of God for whole humanity.
when u say "Muslims believe that God does not beget a son as he is a transcendent being who cannot be compared to anyone"
wat makes u think that muslims are right on this.............maybe god does beget a son?....do u have proof to state otherwise without refering to ur own religious text
Are these verses enough to prove that Jesus, peace be upon him did not ascribe godhood to himself??
And once he is saying that God is spirit and the worshiper must worship him in spirit , then that in itself means that God does not beget ,this is what BIBLE says.
The teachings of all scriptures were same, that God is one transcendent being but many people took their Prophet or ancestors as God once they deviated away from original teachings
..... on wat basis are u saying tht he doesnt being compared to other being??........also here is the fallacy of ur argument......the idea " of liking and not liking " is part of human nature.......& by saying tht god doesnt like to be compared to the beings he is comparing..u are in turn making him more human !!!
@MyPersonalFavourites Sorry I did not understand the last part, were you telling me to grow up? And I know the attributes of your religion and the 99 names. I was a Muslim technically until i was 17. After reading the quran and being honest with myself I realized religions are most likely man made, and that there doesn't need to be a god for the universe to exist.
@MyPersonalFavourites You are also criticizing evolution. I'm sure if you're honest to yourself and consider the evidence you will realize that given enough time complicated systems and organisms can appear from the simplest life form. Sure it takes a long time, thats why we have evidence of life being atleast 3.5 billion years old. With regards to the the "possibility," regardless of how small the chances are there is still a chance. If its possible then it clearly happened because we are here
There were much more phyla that were seen on earth when the life started than there are now so Darwin's evolutionary tree has been disproven by fossil records.
But Cambrian explosion evidence were kept hidden by evolutionists to keep people in dark for 70 years.
@peace4universe "What does Cambrian explosion prove??" A beginning! What does this have to do w/ anything? How many years ago was the Cambrian era? 500 million years ago? It explains at minimum the planet is not 6000 years old.
"Was Piltdown man a truth or no?" The best example of the integrity of the scientific process. If you get caught, you're finished. Is "irreducible complexity" accurate? No, but no amount adjudication at DI will explain that. That is FRAUD!
And who told you that I am a young earth creationist??
I am a Muslim and Muslims do not believe in a 6000 years old earth.
Muslims believe Qur'an to be the last and most pure of God's revelations and earlier revelations were also from God but could not be preserved ;that's why they have some problems with modern researches.
Qur'an does not describe any genealogy and so there is no conflict of Qur'an with any discoveries of modern science.
@peace4universe "Irreducuble complexity is accurate."? This is an assertion, nothing more. If intermediary stages were not produced this assertion would still be an assertion, but these stages are present in many different life forms. Check the Dover transcripts, this is largely why your people LOST the decision. Sorry, but you're losing to modernity and evidence. From the fossil record, to morphology to genomic comparisons, this theory is only emboldened. Slam dunk! Peace!
@peace4universe How sad! Do you really think science has got to conform to your feelings? If it hurts your religious feelings you make up your own rules, find your conclusions and then fit phony evidence to help you justify your conclusions. I sure am glad that the justice system doesn't work that way! If all this "wrong science" is taught in school, go to the hospital and pray your infections away, but I've got money that you will take antibiotics instead. I'd hate to be your Dr. Peace!
@peace4universe "What about Haeckel's Ontogeny recapitulates Phylogeny ?" The strict interpretation of this statement that embryos go back through every stage of their evolutionary past is rejected today, but there is no doubt that the embryos of closely related groups DO show great similarities in their development and is another piece of evidence to support the idea that we all share a common ancestor. Another example of the integrity of science. Look at the genomic comparisons, slam dunk.
@peace4universe Last, if you think that phylogenetic pathways don't show good examples of common ancestry you'll have to explain atavisms. Chickens have the DNA for teeth, just like their reptilian ancestors, but they don't have the DNA for nipples. Why? Why do whales have the DNA for legs? Why do YOU have the DNA for a fully functioning tail? I'll tell you, because these traits, although usually not expressive, are there because of our phylogenetic pathways. Peace to you!
Chickens have a DNA for teeth and whales have DNA for legs so this produces evolution?
Mice DNA resembles humans too .
So did humans evolve from mice?
The truth is that the basic model of DNA is quite similar in all animals and God created mechanisms to express or suppress the genes, or the protein synthesis in different ways to bring different animals and plants .
@peace4universe "The truth is that the basic model of DNA is quite similar in all animals and God created mechanisms to express or suppress the genes, or the protein synthesis in different ways to bring different animals and plants" This is more evidence that you really don't get what you're arguing. The truth is that you're not interested in the truth. Chickens have DNA for teeth because their phylogenetic path stems from reptiles, but not from mammals. That's why they don't have DNA for tits!
@peace4universe I don't know many Muslims and I don't really care what you or they believe. I only care about what evidence survives peer review. You do none of the RIGOROUS work, but you make assertions that don't survive a 6th grade science fair. Worse yet is that you don't even know it, and you're too happy to continue your God-did-it masquerade. Stop exploiting ignorance, it serves no betterment to society.
@peace4universe I hope you seriously don't think there is some big conspiracy by evolutionists to hide facts for the past 70 years. And yes, Darwin was troubled by the cambrian explosion and considered it the greatest inconsistency with his theory. Thats why he devoted a whole chapter to try to explain it. Secondly the evolution we accept today is an updated version of his theory. the Cambrian explosion is easily explained by punctuated equilibrium. Look it up.
@peace4universe I'm sorry i thought my post was pretty clear. Although we have just now labeled the relatively quick appearance of a vast number of multi celled organisms ~530 m yrs ago, "Cambrian", evidence of this had been realized by geologists even before charles darwin. Look up william bucklands work. And what does the time of when punctuated equlibrium have to do with anything? It still explains cambrian explosion fantastically.
@MyPersonalFavourites You are right no one has seen the universe emerge, no one was there at the big bang. But the big bang theory and M theory are based on observation and evidence. THe reason its so famous right now is because it best describes the state of the universe as it is right now. I understand you wish to know for a beginning, but your answer that its god just creates more problems and questions. If you apply Occam's razor it is not a probable answer
@MyPersonalFavourites Yes but ask yourself this, why is it common sense? ITs common sense because you have observed it before in history. You know it happens all the time because humans have intent and they do things like put blue balls in your office.You know its possible because you yourself can put a blue ball in the office. However throughout history we have never observed an intelligent, omnipotent being create matter and energy. Therefore it is not common sense and I will ask for evidence.
@MyPersonalFavourites no Im an atheist for much simpler reasons that don't have anything do with religion. For e.g i ask for evidence when someone gives me a hypothesis. And so far no one has provided me with adequate evidence for the existence of god. I'm not claiming that there is absolutely no way god can exist. I am simply saying since there is no evidence I won't believe it.
@MyPersonalFavourites I agree with you. Muhammed did improve the conditions a little for woman in arabia. But in no way did he make them equal to man. The Quran does say they are equal, but in other places it seriously contradicts itself by only giving them half or quarter a mans worth. My point is simply that the quran like the bible may have improved some peoples life slightly, But they are extremely barbaric and immoral compared to mondern understanding of human rights.
@MyPersonalFavourites See if a book was truly sent down by your hypothesized all-loving god, he would ban slavery as it is. Yet the Quran doesn't do that, the Quran allows muslims to take slaves of non-muslims. Infact thats partly what drove the initial conquests by Muslim rulers. They wanted to take slaves so they conquered lands where non-muslims lived. In my opinion a god who is okay with the concept of slavery is not worth worshipping.
The Quran is open to interpretation. Some would argue it encourages violence towards nonbelievers. Here's a discrepancy. Your god is omnibenevolent, and yet the Quran states he sends people to hell for how he made them.
2:6 As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not.
2:7 Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom.
What is "good"? Is something "good" simply because God says so? If the Quran claimed that God finds the rape of boys that are disrespectful to their parents as "good", would it be? Also, giving your creation a flaw that will lead to its infinite torture, knowing that you will end up torturing said creation for such a flaw, and then conjuring the creation anyways is the cruelest concept ever described to me.
I'm saying things, such as snowflakes, can come from impersonal forces, such as nature. No god makes any sense to me. With the traits commonly attributed to gods comes paradoxes. Can God improve himself? Can God hate? Can God not do what he knows he is going to do? Can God forget? I'm sure you don't need God to talk.
Everything that exists has to be created and has to be created by a "who"? Why is a "what" not on option? Neither one of us believe snowflakes, despite being incredibly complex, require to be designed by a mystical ice fairy.
I mean exactly that. Why does the universe need a beginning? If God can be eternal, then what is so problematic with existence itself being so? The only alternative to the universe existing that I'm aware of is nothingness. The existence of nothing is paradoxical however. If nothing existed it would be something.
Wow, that's a lot of conclusions without supporting premises. You can't just say the universe began. I don't know that the universe had a beginning and neither do you. If you CAN prove it did, then you still have to prove that God caused this. I don't believe orbit has anything to do with time. In fact, orbits needs gravity to exist and doesn't need wizards at all. Infinities can't exist, but God can be infinite? Why does god get to be special in this regard?
When a creationist says "it's impossible for something to come out of nothing, something must have created it", then who created god? Because my answer to that one is "we did".
Word to your mother. I love how the universe and existence itself can't always have been and needs a creator, but God just gets to be eternal. Why? Because he's God!
"Energy predates any concept of time" turns to "Something comes out of nothing." Now energy is something. The universe is something. If the universe came out of energy then something came from something, not nothing. Nice try Sean...
Speak your truth clearly Christopher....and...Give us this day....TOTAL RELIGIOUS AMNESIA...So that the intellect of the human population of this planet can catch up to the 21st Century...then there may be a chance for... PEACE ON EARTH...and it will be good..!!
Wow, I think that although Christopher Hitchens was in control of this debate from start to finish, I think he failed in his decision not to correct Hannity on his lack of accuracy here. Hitch obviously wanted to stick to the points that are in his book, so he let Sean get away with murder, because there's a LOT that could be said about Hannity's "thesis" about matter and energy and time. He really hasn't thought any of this through.
Point well taken! So you say the entire government of the US are athiest! So the last five presidents worshinping an OWL out in California is not religion! Well tell me what it is you fucking animal!
Hmm, so Hannity believes that though energy cannot spontaneously generate, he believe someone/something that uses energy (God) to manipulate the world can spontaneously generate. Sir, on the record, you're retarded.
It's quite a staggering point of our evolutionary history, this religious business. As man evolved we became more social due to the benefits of society. When we began to group, people started to question how everything came to be. Without modern science to help with their thinking, they came to the conclusion that there must have been a creator, a God. Society has stuck with this ancient Philosophy of describing the universe around us. Now we have the technology to describe it ourselves. think.
Sereal killers have a disorder in their brains that dulls their ability to empathize with people and leads them to do things we think of as immoral. No such disorder has been found in gays. As for the genetic cause... some researchers say it's passed down through the x chromosome from the mother. Maybe this is true, but it hasn't been proven conclusively. There are cases of male pregnancy in nature & females mating. Who knows... maybe this will lead to a new species? lol.
Well logcially it should have died out if it had a genetic cause since the woman who has such x-chromosomes would have children who couldnt breed and wouldnt pass on the genes.
On the other hand if she has only daughters it could be passed down.. but why would women with that gene have any survival advantage over other women.
One misconception on biblical Judeo Christianity that Hitchens makes is that God is controling us like a robot from birth until death- then the fun begins? Huh??? Who said God is controlling us? I don't read that in scripture at all- Did not Adam and Eve choose to go against God? God created us to have a free will, to chose or reject him. The scripture is full of these examples.
One misconception on biblical Judeo Christianity that Hitchens makes is that God is controling us like a robot from birth until death- then the fun begins? Huh??? Who said God is controlling us? I don't read that in scripture at all- Did not Adam and Eve chose to go against God? God created us to have a free will, to chose or reject him. The scripture is full of these examples.
I agree, but lets be honest.....it really doesnt take a lot for Hannity to look stupid. I love free speech, but what is this thing that Americans have with the stupidist people having there own show? There must be a lot of support from a lot of people.
[puffs out chest] Religion has provided food, housing, medicine... oh wait IN THE NAME OF RELIGION, it was HUMAN BEINGS who did this stuff, oops, never mind...
@simonjeste Yes it was human beings who did this in the name of religion. That was his point. That religion has done a lot of good things. If Mr. Hitchens wants to believe we just came to be without a creator that is his right. How do you argue this point? It has been argued for ages, just because Hitchens used big words and can articulate his point does not make him right or wrong. I chose to belive that God created all of this.
You're trying to dodge my question. How is a man who happens to feel love for another man & perform the very same sex acts you do, just with men, serving his lust? You calling them devils? A jew would be a devil in that case because he uses the first half instead of the second half of your book. Same book. Same god. People in Waco believed it all too. Whose to say Koresh was't the 2nd coming of Jesus & we killed him again? So a rapist who really repents is better than a jew or a saintly gay man?
A gay man is obviously mentally ill in some way because it cant be natural that you fee lthat way for the same sex since it has no evolutionary advantage it would by all means be extinct by now since gay people have no children and cant pass their genes to the next generation which means you dont inherit the gay gene which makes homosexuality a mental illness which unfortunatly cant be cured and fortunatly it doesnt hurt anyone.
First of all, it has been proven that homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality because it is found amongst the animal kingdom. Are monkeys "sinning against god" when they greet other males with some quick butt sex? Are they "mentally ill" because they chose to do this? No to both. The "advantage" of sticking your wing ding in another man's exit is getting to know that man in the same way I like to get to know hot young adult women. It's sex, which can be political or social-
Well first of all the whole point of sexuality is for animals to pass their genes on to the next generation and create more difeerent individuals than what would ever be possible with asexual reproduction, sexual reproduction takes less generations to achive something.
so homosexuality must be a mental illnes since it does not provide the individual with the ability to pass its genes on to the next generation, homosexuality has no use.
this hitchens guy is just frustrated. he has never been through anything tough in his life to turn to faith. he doesn't know what its like to be at the bottom while facing adversity and all of a sudden witness a miracle of your life being saved by God. this guy is irrelevant hes just another dude trying to cause trouble. i agree religion is corrupt but it can't destroy the fact that miracles do occur and cannot be explained other than a strong faith. and he didn't own hannity u damn fanboys
scarsofbravery 3 weeks ago
@scarsofbravery He died of Cancer at the end of 2011 "This Hitchens guy is just frustrated. He has never been through anything tough in his life to turn to faith" Is incredibly naive and shows you know nothing.
He was an Atheist until the very end.
Jazybp 3 weeks ago
he doesnt believe in GOD but he looks like he practices alistair crowley witch craft 101 behind closed doors
hapz3000 3 weeks ago
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He tried all these arguments on William Lane Craig and was destroyed.
For example, he uses the fact that a solar system collapses to back up his claim that there is no creator. WLC pretty much said that just because something doesn't last forever is not proof that it wasn't designed. Cars don't last forever.
brandonpw1986 1 month ago
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brandonpw1986 1 month ago
Tell him Chris.
BlueMajic100 1 month ago
Kathy: Don't think Hitch made Hannity look like an idiot; Hitch is so sharp he just let Hannity do it himself!! What always amazes me is that, when questioned, people like Hannity show they are only deists; yet they do not have the intellect to realize it or the honesty to admit that they believe in something based on no evidence at all!! Thanks for posting!
pjmr71 4 months ago
@peace4universe - enumerate? Does "endless" not do it justice? Unless we absolutely know what set the universe in motion,then the possibilities are endless. Positing a god doesn't answer the question - much less a god with man-like qualities that creates us erroneous and then judges us on the flaws of his creation.
What makes you think that MY role in his "plan" isn't to question his very existence? Who are you to say that my role isn't to be an atheist? Who am I to alter god's plan?
MrKeenoRossi 4 months ago
Clearly, this was not Hitchen's best effort. He was probably several shots deep. ;-)
MrKeenoRossi 4 months ago
Hannity-"to be an atheist, you have to believe that the universe came from nothing." Uh, wrong! To be an atheist, I have to disbelieve that your god did it. Theist really do seem to have the toughest time figuring out what atheism is - or better still, what it ISN'T.
Hannity subscribes to the theory that there are only 2 possiblities. 1. God did it. Or, 2. It came from nothing. It's a false dichotomy, and there are an endless number of other possibilities.
MrKeenoRossi 4 months ago
@MrKeenoRossi
Can you enumerate those possibilities??
Your body is a witness that you were created with a plan;and what is YOUR role in that plan you should try to know but you are in denial so that the temporary enjoyment of your life should not get diminished
peace4universe 4 months ago
The Hitch had to put up with an intellectual lightweight like Hannity.
drunkenstooge 5 months ago
No proof to anything in any religion on this earth. Who is anyone to say they know. ALL RELIGIOUS BOOKS WERE WRITTEN BY MAN with no proof to be found anywhere.
magnum347 5 months ago
I noticed how Hannity got quiet when Hitch rebutted his argument that something cannot come from nothing.
Alexthegreat8907 6 months ago
Hannity is such a smug bastard, and his voice makes me want to punch him in the fucking mouth.
JRC3034 6 months ago
@peace4universe
You are saying bindasboire is not examining the witness yet there are no bloody witnesses!!!!!!!!
hpiercy19 6 months ago
@hpiercy19
I have referred him the criteria of authenticity of text in Islam while in any other religion the text cannot be examined for authenticity. /watch?v=2E0QOrRYOSk
peace4universe 6 months ago
@peace4universe
You see the biggest problem with dogmatic religious trolls such as yourself is that religions use themselves as evidence. They say that there is proof that god exists because the bible says so, and yet when asked how they know the bible is true they reply by saying that it was dictated by god! It's the use of this same paradoxical argument that you preachers enforce your ideas even though they have no actual basis.
hpiercy19 6 months ago
@hpiercy19
Religious books were not sent from above the sky to be just taken as the word of God, they all were sent through Messengers who were examined in the most meticulous ways by their people and were accepted to be the Prophets because of the miracles that they showed to their people.
Qur'an is the Miracle of last Prophet of God and it contains many facts that can be examined through latest discoveries and be shown as words of God.
peace4universe 6 months ago
@peace4universe That's all nice and all but do u have actual proof of these 'discoveries', 'words of god', the 'meticulous examinations' and the 'miracles'? Or do u base this on what you read in a book?
hpiercy19 5 months ago
God was fabricated by humans to fill their empty existences with an imaginary friend...
HepburnFlicks 6 months ago
@HepburnFlicks
God is not FRIEND.
He is your Creator and need to be given the same status he deserves
peace4universe 6 months ago
What disturbs me about charity in the name of religion is that theists do this to curry favors with their god/s, not for the end of bettering humanity, I actually consider it immoral or at the very least false.
iamborat100 6 months ago
Perfect--a jerk I admire and find to always be a cool cat in a battle of wits with an unarmed jerk I do not admire. IMHO, of course.
PhotoCher 7 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites They taught me the proper islam, my family is still muslim. Just my passion for science and the scientific method made me doubt it and eventually realize religion is clearly man made.
raheelak29 7 months ago
@raheelak29 Atheism is man made
peace4universe 6 months ago
@peace4universe Ofcourse Atheism is man made. Atheism is simply the absence of belief in supernatural deities. Atheism doesn't exist without man :P . And how does it make it bad?, religion is man made yet you seem to love it so much
raheelak29 6 months ago
@raheelak29
Atheism is man made but religion is from the maker of man.
Those men who do not want to get their freedom restricted, search for an excuse to deny God and revelation and to reject Prophets and so they keep on trying to propose one theory after the other.
When Darwin did not give his theory, they still gave excuses that universe is eternal , and living things come up spontaneously.
But Darwin gave them a scientific way to adhere to their position, that's all.
peace4universe 6 months ago
@peace4universe I hope you realize that just because science can't prove or explain something yet, it doesn't automattically mean that there is a god. You need to provide evidence for the existence of god. And as far as i know none of the thousands and thousands of religions that have existed throughout human history and the ones that dominate today have done that.
And why would anyone want to restrict their freedom? your point doesn't help your argument in any way.
raheelak29 6 months ago
@raheelak29
I hope that you do realise that God cannot be compelled to be shown off on stage.
But he says that there are people who will not believe in God even if they did see him.
peace4universe 6 months ago
@peace4universe Why not? why can't god let himself be known to me in a logical way? why does he instead choose to contact humanity through some random tradesman or carpenter or exiled prince in random ass deserts? ... no one is claiming that there isn't absolutely no way there is a god .. as an atheist i simply choose not to have blind faith in something that there isn't any evidence for ...
raheelak29 6 months ago
@raheelak29
What do you define as logical way?
This world is a place of trial where he gives responsibility of his scriptures on someone and tests him how he fares in passing on the message and on others a duty to search for what they get from him and how they accept, spread and materialise it into their life.
He has ingrained a conscience and longing in human soul to know Him and we try to suppress or stimulate our inherent longing to find the truth or debase our soul.
peace4universe 6 months ago
@peace4universe logical way would be to simply let the people of the world know in their minds that he exists. Rather then play these stupid games and try to trick us. And i disagree , my longing to find the truth and try to understand the universe led me to realize that religions are very "local",and chances are clearly man-made.
raheelak29 6 months ago
@raheelak29
Yes he has let the people know in their mind that he exists.
The ones who resist this evidence of their own souls are the ones who are hiding the truth.
And he sent guidance of Islam to every nation and to every people with his message through his messengers but the people either changed, lost or forgot it.
So God sent the last revelation to be well preserved in the form of Qur'an.
Qur'an is the guidance for whole of the mankind, not " local" !
peace4universe 6 months ago
@peace4universe lol see now consider your statement. Your god, the creator of countless galaxies, and the countless stars in them, couldn't even send a convincing enough or strong enough message that mere people changed it or forgot it :P? . Consider the abrahamic religions, their history only lies locally in the mid-east. No prophet has ever been documented to come to china, south africa europe or even the americas. I have read the Quran & i find it extremely unfit to be a guidance for humans.
raheelak29 6 months ago
@raheelak29
Prophets were sent to every nation.
Manu, was the one who gave Hindu law and he was Prophet Noah peace be upon him, But Hindus do not consider him as Prophet as they have forgotten his message.
Every Nation was sent a guide !
/watch?v=FMByHfTJsh4&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
peace4universe 5 months ago
@peace4universe again, you fail to see the simple fallacy and illogic in your statement. An omnipotent being should be able to convince the world of its existence. Yet your god chooses to send unconvincing prophets that people have "forgotten."
raheelak29 5 months ago
@peace4universe who was the US prophet, Joseph Smith?
dk2853 5 months ago
@dk2853
The Ancient US people must have recieved guidance from God in the form of revelations.
But we have not been given the descriptions of all the Prophets that were sent. Prophet Muhammad was the last Prophet sent to humanity so his message was vigilantly preserved.
There is no one as Prophet after after him.
I hope you got the answer that no Prophet will come any more.
Last was Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.
peace4universe 5 months ago
@peace4universe nope I'm sorry but there were many men who claimed prophecy who came after mohammed. Each one of them has every right to be a prophet as mohammed was. I'm truly sorry but I find it extremely sad that you make up such delusions to defend certain illogical aspects of religion. I wish for once you would just be brave enough and consider that your religion is just like the thousands and thousands of religions that have exist and will exists llong after islam is gone, man-made.
raheelak29 5 months ago
@raheelak29
God in Islam is the one who created you and me and whole of this universe and whatever is BEYOND this universe.
He is not limited by any Time or Space as He is the one who originated everything.
He sent guidance to every Nation on earth but some of that guidance was distorted, mis-interpreted or lost giving rise to different religions.
The last guidance was Qur'an and so it was preserved well for later generations
peace4universe 5 months ago
@peace4universe except that Hitchens says that to call Islam a religion of peace(regardless of followers who are peaceful i.e westernized/secular) is false, and he was criticizing BUSH. He recognizes as a TRUE anti-theist, above being a Marxist Muslim apologist who is simply being so in order to be anti-western, that the greatest threat to freedom is radical Islam. He is a Winston Churchill who knows the threat (what evil is) before it materializes, like Churchill knew of the Nazi's in1930!
eorobinson3 4 months ago
@eorobinson3 This is a response to your queries regarding in what way, is Islam a religion of peace. Please take your time to digest the belowmentioned ;-
peace4universe 4 months ago
@eorobinson3
Islam clearly prohibits all kinds and forms of aggression and violence against anyone, except in self-defense. Islam is a practical religion, meant to be implemented in every aspect of our life. Therefore, it realizes the fact that a person who commits aggression and violence against others will not cease these actions unless they are deterred by similar actions taken against them.
peace4universe 4 months ago
@eorobinson3
Islam also places very high importance on justice, and allows for aggressors and unjust people be punished accordingly, unless they repent before they are brought to justice. At the same time, Islam encourages people to forgive those who have wronged them whenever possible.
peace4universe 4 months ago
@eorobinson3
Evidence of these ideals can be found in the Holy Qur'an, which is the word of God revealed to the messenger of God, Mohammad (pbuh). It can also be found in the Hadith, the sayings of Mohammad (pbuh), and in his teachings to Muslims. A few examples of this are shown below from the Holy Qur'an :
"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, and do not transgress; for Allah loveth not transgressors." [Surah 2, Verse 190]
peace4universe 4 months ago
@peace4universe What is your evidence that the quran is the word of god ? is it because your mommy told you?
OppressedAnarchist 4 months ago
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@peace4universe What is your evidence that the quran is the word of god ? is it because your mommy told you?
OppressedAnarchist 4 months ago
@eorobinson3
"But if they cease (fighting you), Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." [Surah 2, Verse 192]
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is the One that Heareth and Knoweth (all things)." [Surah 8, Verse 61]
peace4universe 4 months ago
@eorobinson3
"The prohibited month, for the prohibited month, and so for all things prohibited, there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves." [Surah 2, Verse 194]
peace4universe 4 months ago
@eorobinson3
" ... and let not the hatred of some people in (once) shutting you out of the Sacred Mosque lead you to transgression (and hostility on your part). Help ye one another in righteousness and piety, but help ye not one another in sin and rancour: fear Allah: for Allah is strict in punishment." [Surah 5, Verse 2]
peace4universe 4 months ago
hannity got owned...........hitchens is a great debater
bindasbolre 7 months ago
@bindasbolre
Debates are won by debating capability.It is not necessary that the debator is presenting with truth
peace4universe 6 months ago
@peace4universe
unless u have evidence that proves tht hitchen is lying.....please dont bring ur stinking butt in between
bindasbolre 6 months ago
@bindasbolre
Hitchen is not lying but is mis-understanding the universe.
The universe itself gives the proof that God originates everything and destroys and then re creates them all.
So will be the day of Judgement.
peace4universe 6 months ago
@peace4universe
but hindus and buddhist dont believe in "judgement day".........they believe in karma- the cause and effect that takes place within a persons life.....no-after death punishments!!!......so who is right?
bindasbolre 6 months ago
@bindasbolre
The concept of the day of Judgement was there in all revelations but people either removed it or started twisting it.
The Hindus currently believe in many births , each birth as a result of karma or deeds done in previous birth while their scriptures clearly say that God does not give many births.
Buddhism does not believe even in god.
But Buddhists worship Buddha as God incarnate and as coming to the world in earlier births too.
Seems to be a deformed description of Prophethood !
peace4universe 6 months ago
@peace4universe
on wat basis r u saying tht they r deformed?........the fact tht u think ur religion is the only right religion is the fallacy of ur argument
bindasbolre 6 months ago
@bindasbolre
There are strict criteria for Islamic texts to be considered authentic while there are no such criteria in previous scriptures as they all were timely religions
/watch?v=2E0QOrRYOSk
Visit the website referred in the description box of this video click "Show More " to read
peace4universe 6 months ago
@peace4universe
ur doing the same thing tht every other regious person does-'claiming tht ur religion is superior and true compared to other religion'- & the only way u do is by quoting ur own religious text....... u follow islam & u claim its true bcoz mohammed says so.........christians believe tht christianity is true bcoz bible says so........wat u fail to see is tht the logic that u use makes ur argument silly and ridiculous
bindasbolre 6 months ago
@bindasbolre
You are doing the same thing as every Atheist does.
Not trying to examine the witness and dismissing it out of prejudice.
Faith in Jesus, is a part of faith in Islam.
No Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in Jesus, peace be upon him.
peace4universe 6 months ago
@peace4universe
u mean muslims believe in jesus as god and the true & only saviour???
bindasbolre 6 months ago
@bindasbolre
Muslims believe that God does not beget a son as he is a transcendent being who cannot be compared to anyone.
He sent messengers to whole humanity till the last one who was Prophet Muhammad , all of them bringing the same message , of asking people to obey God.
Jesus , peace be upon him was the last but one messenger who was sent to bring Children of Israel to the right path and to announce the coming of the last Prophet with final message of God for whole humanity.
peace4universe 6 months ago
@peace4universe
when u say "Muslims believe that God does not beget a son as he is a transcendent being who cannot be compared to anyone"
wat makes u think that muslims are right on this.............maybe god does beget a son?....do u have proof to state otherwise without refering to ur own religious text
bindasbolre 6 months ago
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@bindasbolre
So let me refer the Bible , whose followers have declared Jesus, peace be upon him, as son of God.
Jesus said:
(KJV) John 13 : 16
16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord;
neither he that is " SENT " greater than he that " SENT " him.
peace4universe 6 months ago
@bindasbolre John 5 : 30
I CAN OF MINE OWN SELF DO NOTHING !
Verse continue....... as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John12 : 49
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
peace4universe 6 months ago
@bindasbolre
Mark 12 : 29
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is,
Hear, O Israel; The Lord our " GOD IS ONE " :
John 4 : 24
" GOD IS SPIRIT " ,
and his worshipers MUST WORSHIP IN THE SPIRIT and in truth."
peace4universe 6 months ago
@bindasbolre
Are these verses enough to prove that Jesus, peace be upon him did not ascribe godhood to himself??
And once he is saying that God is spirit and the worshiper must worship him in spirit , then that in itself means that God does not beget ,this is what BIBLE says.
The teachings of all scriptures were same, that God is one transcendent being but many people took their Prophet or ancestors as God once they deviated away from original teachings
peace4universe 6 months ago
@peace4universe
if christianity & islam are the same then y do u identify urself as a muslim & not christian.......Y wont u pray in the church ........
bindasbolre 6 months ago
@bindasbolre
God by his definition, is transcendent being who is not involved in these humanly things.
He has no origin and is responsible for origin of everything in this universe and beyond it.
peace4universe 6 months ago
@peace4universe
then y do u consider ur GOD to be the only true GOd and other gods such as christian jewish hindu Gods as false
bindasbolre 6 months ago
@bindasbolre
God as defined as creator of all of us and of this universe is a transcendent being with nothing comparable to him.
Any name that befits his majesty is his whether it be Allah, God Bhagwan or Ishwar.
There is no difference in name if they all recognise the same creator.
But he does not like to be compared with his created beings as he is beyond such comparisons.
God does not beget nor has any need for a family life.
peace4universe 6 months ago
@peace4universe
..... on wat basis are u saying tht he doesnt being compared to other being??........also here is the fallacy of ur argument......the idea " of liking and not liking " is part of human nature.......& by saying tht god doesnt like to be compared to the beings he is comparing..u are in turn making him more human !!!
bindasbolre 6 months ago
@bindasbolre He does not like because he does not like falsehood and this is falsehood to compare the uncomparable to something nontranscendent
peace4universe 5 months ago
@peace4universe
u havent responded to my previous argument
bindasbolre 5 months ago
@bindasbolre
Matthew 15 : 24
He answered, I was " SENT " only to the lost sheep of Israel.
peace4universe 6 months ago
it is like living in north korea!
hk5pinkfloyd 7 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites Sorry I did not understand the last part, were you telling me to grow up? And I know the attributes of your religion and the 99 names. I was a Muslim technically until i was 17. After reading the quran and being honest with myself I realized religions are most likely man made, and that there doesn't need to be a god for the universe to exist.
raheelak29 7 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites You are also criticizing evolution. I'm sure if you're honest to yourself and consider the evidence you will realize that given enough time complicated systems and organisms can appear from the simplest life form. Sure it takes a long time, thats why we have evidence of life being atleast 3.5 billion years old. With regards to the the "possibility," regardless of how small the chances are there is still a chance. If its possible then it clearly happened because we are here
raheelak29 7 months ago
Cambrian explosion has disproven evolution
There were much more phyla that were seen on earth when the life started than there are now so Darwin's evolutionary tree has been disproven by fossil records.
But Cambrian explosion evidence were kept hidden by evolutionists to keep people in dark for 70 years.
peace4universe 6 months ago
@peace4universe Hahaha, oh, sorry you were serious? Where do you get these conspiracy stories? Kent Hovind.com?
dwolfcoach 6 months ago
@dwolfcoach
What does Cambrian explosion prove??
Was Piltdown man a truth or no?
What about Haeckel's Ontogeny recapitulates Phylogeny ?Isn't it a lie ?
Do embryos undergo phylogenic changes?
peace4universe 6 months ago
@peace4universe "What does Cambrian explosion prove??" A beginning! What does this have to do w/ anything? How many years ago was the Cambrian era? 500 million years ago? It explains at minimum the planet is not 6000 years old.
"Was Piltdown man a truth or no?" The best example of the integrity of the scientific process. If you get caught, you're finished. Is "irreducible complexity" accurate? No, but no amount adjudication at DI will explain that. That is FRAUD!
dwolfcoach 6 months ago
@dwolfcoach
And who told you that I am a young earth creationist??
I am a Muslim and Muslims do not believe in a 6000 years old earth.
Muslims believe Qur'an to be the last and most pure of God's revelations and earlier revelations were also from God but could not be preserved ;that's why they have some problems with modern researches.
Qur'an does not describe any genealogy and so there is no conflict of Qur'an with any discoveries of modern science.
peace4universe 6 months ago
@dwolfcoach
if you are get caught you are not finished, you go for another explanation.
The only fact which will not be accepted is a creator, rest everything else is good enough for an explanatin.
peace4universe 6 months ago
@dwolfcoach
Irreducuble complexity is accurate.
Take eye for example, different types of eyes are seen in molluscs only, how did mamals and other genera took that development cannot be explained.
Yet David attenborough and Dawkins explain eyes development in very simple terms to dismiss irreducible complexity.
The veins, arteries and blood vessels, and the connection of eyes to brain by nerves is never addressed, this is how they fool the gullibles.
peace4universe 6 months ago
@peace4universe "Irreducuble complexity is accurate."? This is an assertion, nothing more. If intermediary stages were not produced this assertion would still be an assertion, but these stages are present in many different life forms. Check the Dover transcripts, this is largely why your people LOST the decision. Sorry, but you're losing to modernity and evidence. From the fossil record, to morphology to genomic comparisons, this theory is only emboldened. Slam dunk! Peace!
dwolfcoach 6 months ago
@dwolfcoach
What is the definition of intermediate stage?
All so called stages were seen in molluscs only.
Can you tell me how molluscs transferred them to mammals after fully developing those eyes??
peace4universe 6 months ago
@peace4universe How sad! Do you really think science has got to conform to your feelings? If it hurts your religious feelings you make up your own rules, find your conclusions and then fit phony evidence to help you justify your conclusions. I sure am glad that the justice system doesn't work that way! If all this "wrong science" is taught in school, go to the hospital and pray your infections away, but I've got money that you will take antibiotics instead. I'd hate to be your Dr. Peace!
dwolfcoach 6 months ago
@peace4universe "What about Haeckel's Ontogeny recapitulates Phylogeny ?" The strict interpretation of this statement that embryos go back through every stage of their evolutionary past is rejected today, but there is no doubt that the embryos of closely related groups DO show great similarities in their development and is another piece of evidence to support the idea that we all share a common ancestor. Another example of the integrity of science. Look at the genomic comparisons, slam dunk.
dwolfcoach 6 months ago
@dwolfcoach
Oho !
So now you are trying to say even if Haeckel did fraud, his fraud was still in the right direction.
So when does a human embryo develop gills ?
peace4universe 6 months ago
@peace4universe Last, if you think that phylogenetic pathways don't show good examples of common ancestry you'll have to explain atavisms. Chickens have the DNA for teeth, just like their reptilian ancestors, but they don't have the DNA for nipples. Why? Why do whales have the DNA for legs? Why do YOU have the DNA for a fully functioning tail? I'll tell you, because these traits, although usually not expressive, are there because of our phylogenetic pathways. Peace to you!
dwolfcoach 6 months ago
@dwolfcoach
Chickens have a DNA for teeth and whales have DNA for legs so this produces evolution?
Mice DNA resembles humans too .
So did humans evolve from mice?
The truth is that the basic model of DNA is quite similar in all animals and God created mechanisms to express or suppress the genes, or the protein synthesis in different ways to bring different animals and plants .
We are all created in the same mold.
None of us is more evolved than the other
peace4universe 6 months ago
@peace4universe "The truth is that the basic model of DNA is quite similar in all animals and God created mechanisms to express or suppress the genes, or the protein synthesis in different ways to bring different animals and plants" This is more evidence that you really don't get what you're arguing. The truth is that you're not interested in the truth. Chickens have DNA for teeth because their phylogenetic path stems from reptiles, but not from mammals. That's why they don't have DNA for tits!
dwolfcoach 6 months ago
@dwolfcoach
Only mammary glands and teeth are the phylogenetic difference between two animals.
Why did humans lost hair and started walking upright .Walking upright is not a favourable trait !
It is we who have made the phyla on our own assertion of evolution.
peace4universe 6 months ago
@peace4universe I don't know many Muslims and I don't really care what you or they believe. I only care about what evidence survives peer review. You do none of the RIGOROUS work, but you make assertions that don't survive a 6th grade science fair. Worse yet is that you don't even know it, and you're too happy to continue your God-did-it masquerade. Stop exploiting ignorance, it serves no betterment to society.
dwolfcoach 6 months ago
@dwolfcoach Godlessness has done more harms to the society than faith in God, just watch my video responses to this video.
Human society needs to recognise God for proper establishment of human relationship.
peace4universe 6 months ago
@dwolfcoach
What sixth graders are taught are a wrong science .
It is when we grow , we come to know that there is no truth in evolutionary dogma.
Ernst Haeckel's theory is still being taught, although it was proven fake in about late 90s
peace4universe 6 months ago
@peace4universe I hope you seriously don't think there is some big conspiracy by evolutionists to hide facts for the past 70 years. And yes, Darwin was troubled by the cambrian explosion and considered it the greatest inconsistency with his theory. Thats why he devoted a whole chapter to try to explain it. Secondly the evolution we accept today is an updated version of his theory. the Cambrian explosion is easily explained by punctuated equilibrium. Look it up.
raheelak29 6 months ago
@raheelak29
Look up what you wrote.
How could Darwin be troubled by Cambrian explosion ? Look up when was Cambrian explosion s discovered and when did Darwin die..
You seem to be immature in history of evolution theory.
Look up when was punctuated equilibrium added to it and why !
peace4universe 6 months ago
@peace4universe I'm sorry i thought my post was pretty clear. Although we have just now labeled the relatively quick appearance of a vast number of multi celled organisms ~530 m yrs ago, "Cambrian", evidence of this had been realized by geologists even before charles darwin. Look up william bucklands work. And what does the time of when punctuated equlibrium have to do with anything? It still explains cambrian explosion fantastically.
raheelak29 6 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites You are right no one has seen the universe emerge, no one was there at the big bang. But the big bang theory and M theory are based on observation and evidence. THe reason its so famous right now is because it best describes the state of the universe as it is right now. I understand you wish to know for a beginning, but your answer that its god just creates more problems and questions. If you apply Occam's razor it is not a probable answer
raheelak29 7 months ago
@raheelak29
/watch?v=ZmE11_E-rdE
peace4universe 6 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites
Well thank you kindly for allowing this to be constructive, sir.
AbsolutesMayVary 7 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites
I'm not looking to become a Muslim. I just find religions interesting and want to have a better grasp on all of them.
AbsolutesMayVary 7 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites
I plan to at some point.
AbsolutesMayVary 7 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites Yes but ask yourself this, why is it common sense? ITs common sense because you have observed it before in history. You know it happens all the time because humans have intent and they do things like put blue balls in your office.You know its possible because you yourself can put a blue ball in the office. However throughout history we have never observed an intelligent, omnipotent being create matter and energy. Therefore it is not common sense and I will ask for evidence.
raheelak29 7 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites no Im an atheist for much simpler reasons that don't have anything do with religion. For e.g i ask for evidence when someone gives me a hypothesis. And so far no one has provided me with adequate evidence for the existence of god. I'm not claiming that there is absolutely no way god can exist. I am simply saying since there is no evidence I won't believe it.
raheelak29 7 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites I agree with you. Muhammed did improve the conditions a little for woman in arabia. But in no way did he make them equal to man. The Quran does say they are equal, but in other places it seriously contradicts itself by only giving them half or quarter a mans worth. My point is simply that the quran like the bible may have improved some peoples life slightly, But they are extremely barbaric and immoral compared to mondern understanding of human rights.
raheelak29 7 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites I disagree with human infanticide. But I am okay with early abortions.
raheelak29 7 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites See if a book was truly sent down by your hypothesized all-loving god, he would ban slavery as it is. Yet the Quran doesn't do that, the Quran allows muslims to take slaves of non-muslims. Infact thats partly what drove the initial conquests by Muslim rulers. They wanted to take slaves so they conquered lands where non-muslims lived. In my opinion a god who is okay with the concept of slavery is not worth worshipping.
raheelak29 7 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites Do your inner god given instincts tell you that slavery is wrong? Or are you okay with slavery under certain circumstances?
raheelak29 7 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites
The Quran is open to interpretation. Some would argue it encourages violence towards nonbelievers. Here's a discrepancy. Your god is omnibenevolent, and yet the Quran states he sends people to hell for how he made them.
2:6 As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not.
2:7 Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom.
AbsolutesMayVary 7 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites
What is "good"? Is something "good" simply because God says so? If the Quran claimed that God finds the rape of boys that are disrespectful to their parents as "good", would it be? Also, giving your creation a flaw that will lead to its infinite torture, knowing that you will end up torturing said creation for such a flaw, and then conjuring the creation anyways is the cruelest concept ever described to me.
AbsolutesMayVary 7 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites
I'm saying things, such as snowflakes, can come from impersonal forces, such as nature. No god makes any sense to me. With the traits commonly attributed to gods comes paradoxes. Can God improve himself? Can God hate? Can God not do what he knows he is going to do? Can God forget? I'm sure you don't need God to talk.
AbsolutesMayVary 7 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites
Everything that exists has to be created and has to be created by a "who"? Why is a "what" not on option? Neither one of us believe snowflakes, despite being incredibly complex, require to be designed by a mystical ice fairy.
AbsolutesMayVary 7 months ago
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I would have to say my parents. It's impossible for something to create itself.
AbsolutesMayVary 7 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites
No, but then again I'm not the universe.
AbsolutesMayVary 7 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites
Choice 3: The universe has always existed.
There very well could be four, eighteen, or even more alternatives; I don't know everything.
AbsolutesMayVary 7 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites
You haven't demonstrated that the universe needs a cause. Also, you haven't demonstrated that those are the only possible options either.
AbsolutesMayVary 7 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites
I mean exactly that. Why does the universe need a beginning? If God can be eternal, then what is so problematic with existence itself being so? The only alternative to the universe existing that I'm aware of is nothingness. The existence of nothing is paradoxical however. If nothing existed it would be something.
AbsolutesMayVary 7 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites
Wow, that's a lot of conclusions without supporting premises. You can't just say the universe began. I don't know that the universe had a beginning and neither do you. If you CAN prove it did, then you still have to prove that God caused this. I don't believe orbit has anything to do with time. In fact, orbits needs gravity to exist and doesn't need wizards at all. Infinities can't exist, but God can be infinite? Why does god get to be special in this regard?
AbsolutesMayVary 7 months ago
@MyPersonalFavourites
Why does the universe need a creator, but a creator doesn't? I'm convinced that a god is neither logically possible nor necessary.
AbsolutesMayVary 7 months ago
HAHAHA!! "I go head to head with him". Hannity doesn't have the intellect to wipe Hitchens ass
lumpheadthump 9 months ago 6
intelligence (hitchens) vs. lunacy (hannity)
bogusmaan 9 months ago 3
Hannity... O'Reilly... Stein...
Every idiot thinks alike... and every idiot appears on FOX News.
redshark618 10 months ago 10
When a creationist says "it's impossible for something to come out of nothing, something must have created it", then who created god? Because my answer to that one is "we did".
Eldomina22 10 months ago 4
@Eldomina22
Word to your mother. I love how the universe and existence itself can't always have been and needs a creator, but God just gets to be eternal. Why? Because he's God!
AbsolutesMayVary 7 months ago
"Energy predates any concept of time" turns to "Something comes out of nothing." Now energy is something. The universe is something. If the universe came out of energy then something came from something, not nothing. Nice try Sean...
zgoldsmith23 10 months ago
Speak your truth clearly Christopher....and...Give us this day....TOTAL RELIGIOUS AMNESIA...So that the intellect of the human population of this planet can catch up to the 21st Century...then there may be a chance for... PEACE ON EARTH...and it will be good..!!
guitarpicka1 10 months ago
Atheists are just pin-head, pinko, communist, fascist, socialist, godless, heathen, baby-eating, sadomasochistic, doodie-heads with cooties.
lazyperfectionist1 10 months ago
i take exception to cooties.
tommos1 10 months ago 5
Wow, I think that although Christopher Hitchens was in control of this debate from start to finish, I think he failed in his decision not to correct Hannity on his lack of accuracy here. Hitch obviously wanted to stick to the points that are in his book, so he let Sean get away with murder, because there's a LOT that could be said about Hannity's "thesis" about matter and energy and time. He really hasn't thought any of this through.
instereovideos 10 months ago
Hannity is a tool.
jefflatimer86 10 months ago 5
His "There is a god" statement at the end was the equivalent of someone saying "I had my fingers in my ears when you were talking, na na na na na".
swanboy2 11 months ago 2
Hannity, you are a horrible fucking person.
philberz 1 year ago 4
Hitchens eats fools like this for brunch.
Seriously, that news guy is a prick.
Lawlessuk 1 year ago 6
Point well taken! So you say the entire government of the US are athiest! So the last five presidents worshinping an OWL out in California is not religion! Well tell me what it is you fucking animal!
Sagitarius54 1 year ago
LONG LIVE HITCHENS
ararmaya 1 year ago
Hannity - 'to be an atheist you have to believe that something came out of nothing, a bigger leap of faith than believing in god'
OK, so what created 'god' then? hmmmmmm?
Obvious and total hypocrisy.
EtcEtcAndEtc 1 year ago 8
@EtcEtcAndEtc
God is the Originator of time and space, so for him there is no past, present or future.
He is beyond time and space.
This universe is expanding, where is it expanding in?
peace4universe 6 months ago
Something can come from nothing. Just listen to Hannity's speech.
CommanderC4 1 year ago 6
@CommanderC4 WIN.
That made me lol so hard. Thank you, sir.
The25thAndTheMoon 1 year ago
Hmm, so Hannity believes that though energy cannot spontaneously generate, he believe someone/something that uses energy (God) to manipulate the world can spontaneously generate. Sir, on the record, you're retarded.
TenaciouslyTenacious 1 year ago 3
Hitchens is so obviously drunk as a skunk here, and still manages to wipe the floor with Hannity.
them000ch 1 year ago
So, is there an actual unbiased news source in America?
boysdontcry95 1 year ago
"You strike me as someone who has never read any points against your argument." bingo! lol Go Hitch Go!
VenomOXP 1 year ago
Hannity is somewhat dim when it comes to this subject
GrahamSMcCann 1 year ago
It's quite a staggering point of our evolutionary history, this religious business. As man evolved we became more social due to the benefits of society. When we began to group, people started to question how everything came to be. Without modern science to help with their thinking, they came to the conclusion that there must have been a creator, a God. Society has stuck with this ancient Philosophy of describing the universe around us. Now we have the technology to describe it ourselves. think.
Ye4hBuddy 1 year ago
Hitchens vs Hannity is like Kasparov vs Maggie Simpson.
MissKateUK 1 year ago 2
Rather far fetched and highly unlikely and i think that my idea of it being a disorder is more likely.
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng
Sereal killers have a disorder in their brains that dulls their ability to empathize with people and leads them to do things we think of as immoral. No such disorder has been found in gays. As for the genetic cause... some researchers say it's passed down through the x chromosome from the mother. Maybe this is true, but it hasn't been proven conclusively. There are cases of male pregnancy in nature & females mating. Who knows... maybe this will lead to a new species? lol.
CrossTheGrigori 1 year ago
@CrossTheGrigori
Well logcially it should have died out if it had a genetic cause since the woman who has such x-chromosomes would have children who couldnt breed and wouldnt pass on the genes.
On the other hand if she has only daughters it could be passed down.. but why would women with that gene have any survival advantage over other women.
I think they will find the cause eventually.
unfad1ng 1 year ago
One misconception on biblical Judeo Christianity that Hitchens makes is that God is controling us like a robot from birth until death- then the fun begins? Huh??? Who said God is controlling us? I don't read that in scripture at all- Did not Adam and Eve choose to go against God? God created us to have a free will, to chose or reject him. The scripture is full of these examples.
McGinnbros 1 year ago
@McGinnbros
but he is supervising us, and telling us when we are doing bad stuff
unfad1ng 1 year ago
One misconception on biblical Judeo Christianity that Hitchens makes is that God is controling us like a robot from birth until death- then the fun begins? Huh??? Who said God is controlling us? I don't read that in scripture at all- Did not Adam and Eve chose to go against God? God created us to have a free will, to chose or reject him. The scripture is full of these examples.
McGinnbros 1 year ago
This guy is dead drunk, but still talks spectacularly !!!
pallab1234 1 year ago
Man, Hannity sounds like a five year old in this one...
MrMetallidude 1 year ago 38
@MrMetallidude
I agree, but lets be honest.....it really doesnt take a lot for Hannity to look stupid. I love free speech, but what is this thing that Americans have with the stupidist people having there own show? There must be a lot of support from a lot of people.
bermudaguy1 1 year ago
@bermudaguy1 yeah. t's all about the money and not about knowledge or brains.
MrMetallidude 1 year ago
lol @ Hannity catching himself here:
[puffs out chest] Religion has provided food, housing, medicine... oh wait IN THE NAME OF RELIGION, it was HUMAN BEINGS who did this stuff, oops, never mind...
simonjeste 1 year ago
@simonjeste Yes it was human beings who did this in the name of religion. That was his point. That religion has done a lot of good things. If Mr. Hitchens wants to believe we just came to be without a creator that is his right. How do you argue this point? It has been argued for ages, just because Hitchens used big words and can articulate his point does not make him right or wrong. I chose to belive that God created all of this.
McGinnbros 1 year ago
"Hannity's America", that says it all... there's America... and then there's "[insert fundie's name here]'s VERSION of America"
simonjeste 1 year ago
hannity got spanked
Stealtheeee 1 year ago
Hannity obviously has not read hitchen's book or even knows the arguments he tries to present...
tylerpeters2010 1 year ago 31
You're trying to dodge my question. How is a man who happens to feel love for another man & perform the very same sex acts you do, just with men, serving his lust? You calling them devils? A jew would be a devil in that case because he uses the first half instead of the second half of your book. Same book. Same god. People in Waco believed it all too. Whose to say Koresh was't the 2nd coming of Jesus & we killed him again? So a rapist who really repents is better than a jew or a saintly gay man?
CrossTheGrigori 1 year ago
@CrossTheGrigori
A gay man is obviously mentally ill in some way because it cant be natural that you fee lthat way for the same sex since it has no evolutionary advantage it would by all means be extinct by now since gay people have no children and cant pass their genes to the next generation which means you dont inherit the gay gene which makes homosexuality a mental illness which unfortunatly cant be cured and fortunatly it doesnt hurt anyone.
unfad1ng 1 year ago
@unfad1ng
First of all, it has been proven that homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality because it is found amongst the animal kingdom. Are monkeys "sinning against god" when they greet other males with some quick butt sex? Are they "mentally ill" because they chose to do this? No to both. The "advantage" of sticking your wing ding in another man's exit is getting to know that man in the same way I like to get to know hot young adult women. It's sex, which can be political or social-
CrossTheGrigori 1 year ago
@CrossTheGrigori
Well first of all the whole point of sexuality is for animals to pass their genes on to the next generation and create more difeerent individuals than what would ever be possible with asexual reproduction, sexual reproduction takes less generations to achive something.
so homosexuality must be a mental illnes since it does not provide the individual with the ability to pass its genes on to the next generation, homosexuality has no use.
unfad1ng 1 year ago