Hi :) im muslim i want to say something muslims belive in all prophets but mohammed bringed the quran for us and teached us the right from the wrong mohammed came for all ppl jesus for christians moses for jews i belive in all prophets and 1 god when u will go to god he will ask you questions and ur whole body will talk so no one is gonna know what will happen there but there is other things gonna happen before we go to god jesus will come to the earth and kill all pig and we will folow him
how about he loves so much, we dont have to listen to his bs. and let us be us. and let him create some new creature to worshop his selfish ass forever. no that would to much wouldent... he can do anything but he wont let us be free from his hells.
sounds like an asshole ex that wont take "we're through" as a hint.
if you wont love me then no one will ever be able to love you! you hell you burn!
this is why i cant believe god.... people made something uncomprehendable way to human... gay.
@justibisnotfag wtf has that got to do with anything? Allah.god is the same god of Abraham Moses and Jesus the only thing that is different between the religions is the belief that jesus is the son of god
For the record, im not a believer, but im interrested in others opinions (sorry for my english)
how would very badly handicapped people, early death baby's or autistic people be able to "choose" a good life?
or how would you explain to a toddler with incurable cancer, born out of a non religieus famlily that a certain mighty being is the only way to eternal life...
Arent there just too many examples of situations that this movie cannot cover... please respond
@verzwileon2 ultimately God allowed for such things to happen to these people but it does not mean God does not love them. How do these people and those around them react to their conditions? God uses these conditions or conditions to send a message for us.He uses these to tell us something.Often we fail to see at what His will is but always ask what is His will for ME or US we should look towards HIS will (period). He communicates His will through prayer, the Bible, CIRCUMSTANCES and the church
@Gmanjoshua Oke, but isnt it a bit harsh that, lets say, a 2 month old baby died an unnatural death is just a test for us to see how we deal with the situation, while the poor baby's soul is just doomed because he could never learn about god or jesus christ? understand I dont mean anything of this to be offensive, I just don't understand many things in regileon and am just very curious about some subjects.
Let me put this in terms of a scientest, I cant see God with the naked eye. I cant see an atom with the naked eye. Even though i cant see an atom, i know its there beacause you can see it with a microscope. With a spirit cleansed by God, i can feel the love of Christ. Another example is that we cant see air. But we know its there. I cant ee God ow, but i 100% know he is there!
Jesus (God in human form) came to us to restore the relationship with us is not a religion. Jesus condemned "religion" man in the bible who he called the hypocrites who always talked abt laws but no love in them! Religion is man trying to reach God by their own way. The problem we have is we "think" we are "good" - think again! Are we really? May I ask, when was the last time u threw your temper, telling lies to hide your mistakes, tell people how much charity you did & proud of it, list goes on
Why?? Jesus is after all a carpenter. The video is not to convince the cynic. This is all about a message of LOVE of GOD. The gift that he offers to everyone who is willing to accept. Not because we are religious,pious or even righteous, which we can never be. It's because we have ALL sinned and deserve to go to hell but He wont let it be. If you still do not understand...seek and you shall find. If you refuse to believe this,fine. And you shall fine.
We are called homo-sapiens for a real good reason. We are rational/logical thinkers and not just think. If you are so sure Jesus who really he is is but myth or folk lore... prove it! Many tried....and all of them are forgotten. The denial of God's existence do not equate to his nonexistence. Since first century AD many attempted to quash who Jesus really is... from peasants to royalties, religious, political and military leaders... scholars and philosophers. Even an empire. so is opinion
the only problem ive ever had with religions is their concept of god. i find it too simplistic. you believe as humans you live and die and go to heaven or hell, as humans.Just as science is too simple, so is this approach. my thoughts tell me there is no specific entity, or god, that created and judges. life is not a serious matter of FOLLOW RULES, RECEIVE REWARD.
You see its really an honest, playful game. there is no rule to what game should be played, only that iit should be one you enjoy
@fatwadmcskylar Unfortunately christianity does tend to seem to present a simplistic, corny, hard to believe in version of God. Please don't limit your ideas on God to your own perception. Read Crazy Love by Francis Chan or any books by Rob Bell.
No matter how lovely you make this sound, your idea of "God" is still false. What sort of loving father acts so "above" people he created? What kind of loving father creates a hell for anything? It is nonsense... The bible is simply a lie made by ancient men to keep the people in control.
"If God is unable to prevent evil, he is not omnipotent. If God is not willing to prevent evil, he is not good. If God is willing and able to prevent evil, then why does evil exist?" - Epicurus
@jda379 What makes you think the Bible is a lie? Do you have any proof that God doesn't exist? You can't prove that God doesn't exist; theological arguments can easily be shot down by other arguments, and they are only theory on your part. Science cannot account for a spiritual world, and we do not know everything in science. God "lets" evil exist so freewill can also exist. He put such a high price on human free will that if he destroyed evil, he would also destroy free will.
@ExpendableGuy Why do I need proof that your god DOESN'T exist? Do you need proof that the Greek god Zeus DOESN'T exist if I make the claim that he does? Of course you don't. The burden would then be on me to provide evidence of Zeus's existence. So it's your move. You making the claim that "human free will" is why your god won't reveal himself is not expletive of a "loving father". Here is a crazy fact for you: YOU are also an atheist.
@jda379 Is this a Red herring, it certainly sounds like it. My point was that you can't prove God doesn't exist, through science or ANY means. And what is this about God not revealing himself, what do you mean by that? Also, what makes you think I am an animalistic Atheist? I don't live like it, I live a much more loving and fruitful life because I don't live like an Atheist.
@ExpendableGuy There have been over 10,000 recorded deities throughout human history, some from every culture in the world. I'll use the same example from before, the Greek god of gods, Zeus. One does not need to provide evidence to you that Zeus does not exist, the LACK of evidence is overwhelming enough. You do NOT require faith that Zeus does not exist, only an understanding that you hold a neutral position on the matter. If someone could provide some evidence.......................
@ExpendableGuy .........that Zeus existed, you would at least be more receptive to the idea. That's all it takes to be an atheist. It neither takes faith nor evidence. It is simply a neutral, skeptical position taken on ideas presented without solid evidence to stand on. YOU ARE an atheist in respect to Zeus as well as all the other gods. I just believe in one less god than you. So, having said that, you know perfectly well what it's like to "live like an atheist."
@jda379 I don't believe in Zeus because the Bible states that there is only one God. If it said that Zeus also happened to be a god, I would believe that as well. Of course, the circumstances, etc. would be VERY different. Second: No I don't know what it is like to live like an Atheist. Atheism is illogical, and immoral. It makes man an animal without moral compass or soul. I live with purpose because I am a Christian.
(Are you going to respond to my other comment on why God is not evil?)
@ExpendableGuy well just to get those amermaidists i'll join in.You can't prove that invisible intangible frikking mermaids don't exist either!!ha!!chekmate amermaidists!!
@ogaogaboogamba For sure, but there is certainly less evidence for the existence of invisible mermaids, and I mean a lot less, than for the Christian God. I would suggest that at one point or another, everyone has to make a guess, unless you are a hardcore agnostic, and while there is not certainity, we can make educated guesses.
Also, since you just had to comment on this a year after it was said, I want to make it clear that my opinions and knowledge of reality has changed quite a bit.
@ExpendableGuy Think about this as well: If god is real he cannot possibly be good. If he is capable of creating a perfect and evil free heaven, then to put us on earth first is simply evil. Why watch as millions suffer in poverty, wars, natural disasters, etc when he could have us all in heaven? You may say earth is a test but why does an all-knowing god need to test his own creation? Christianity, like every religion is a load of illogical nonsense.
.@jda379 For some reason this didn't show up in my comments inbox? Someone marked it as spam.
From the way you are speaking, you show that you have NO idea what real Christianity is. First of all, who told you we are here for a test? I didn't say that. No, God put us on a perfect world, right after creation. Then we as humans(Adam) corrupted the world, God just rescued us. So, God did nothing evil for putting us on a perfect world. We did something evil for rebelling.
@ExpendableGuy I was a devout christian for 20 years & studied the bible diligently, it is not a mystery to me. Believers will tell you if you listen, you are put here to be tested by god. There is nothing perfect about the planet earth and there never has been. You look at life through the narrow blinders of the bible. It is full of countless contradictions and things most people consider to be barbaric (e.g. slavery, mass genocide, rape.. yes I can give specific scriptures)
@jda379 I have never encountered these "believers". In one sense, it would appear they are correct, BUT only to a point. I have never seen a contradiction in the Bible, for me, everything makes sense and has purpose. I know people who have studied the Bible longer than you, and see no problem. Also, what makes you think there was never anything perfect about this planet? According to the Bible, the world was perfect, without death, before sin arrived. You keep on resorting to smear tactics.
@ExpendableGuy Sin -- another abstract word conjured by religious people. "According to the bible" has been the cornerstone to your arguments and I'm will be as long as this continues. The bible is a storybook, nothing more. It cannot be taken seriously in theistic debates. How much weight would the quran hold against you in an argument with a muslim? It also, is a storybook.
@jda379 Sin is very concrete; it just depends on your level of understanding. If my faith was only based on the Bible, it wouldn't be much of a faith at all. There is much more to it. I used the Bible in my arguments since we were arguing about the Bible, and what it says.
@ExpendableGuy It's tiring to argue so hard with you. "Sin" is an abstract concept; which is the opposite of the meaning of "concrete". "Sin" is more in comparison with the word "ugly". "Sin" & "Ugly" are strictly points of view from one person to the next, they do not mean the same to everyone. Sin, in other languages, simply means "without", it doesn't appear so dramatic to them. We know what your bible describes as sin, but to those of us who live in the real world, it is just another word.
@jda379 It does depend on your perspective, only as long as perspective is defined by your level of understanding. Since "Sin" is abstract, I can steal and murder, right? There is nothing wrong with it; it seems good from MY perspective. Please, relativistic world views are extremely flawed. Hitler thought he was doing the human race a favor. According to you, he was right, as long as HE believed that he was right. Or does it turn out that you actually do believe in morality?
@ExpendableGuy I love how you compare hitler to everyone else that has a conscience. Get this concept through your head because it is the main point I want you to understand: humans CAN have tremendous personal morals WITHOUT religion. Religion has wrongly staked a claim on SO many positive human conditions e.g. love, joy, peace, & compassion to name a few. These belong to the whole of humanity, not christianity who hijacked them saying they ONLY come through jesus christ. Nonsense.
@jda379 You have absolutely no evidence of those claims. In fact, I would say that there is evidence in the contrary. The Atheistic wars in the past 60 years have literally killed more humans than any religious wars in the past. I am not defending man-made religion, I am just pointing out that when people are left to their own devices, and they more often than not mess things up.
@ExpendableGuy You continue to pick and choose what you want to believe from your book. But we are past that now, it's the same old thing. You haven't understood any of the concepts, you just continue to make groundless comparisons to atheism, cannibals, rapists & thieves LMAO... Believe what you want to, but may others know to question anything suggested without proof. Don't believe in anything. It's OK to NOT know until evidence has been provided. Good luck to all! =)
@jda379 I have never cherry picked what I wanted from my Bible. Groundless comparisons? When I brought up Hitler, I was using him in the argument of morality being relativistic. Then you tried to make it seem like I was comparing him to all Atheists. When I said- thieves, rapists, etc. I meant that it would appear humanity is not basically good. And my question still remains, if people are good, what makes some of them evil? Good luck to you as well; I hope you think about what was said here.
@ExpendableGuy Oh boy... Humanity is a broad spectrum of good and evil personalities. Morality is not defined by religion. People can be "evil" due to a combination of their genetics, environment, mental health & intelligence level, among other factors. Whether or not they accept Jesus Christ as their personal lord and savior has nothing to do with it. People are not malevolent because they are possessed with demon spirits. Neither mysticism nor superstition are factors of human morality.
@jda379 Hey buddy, I thought you were done : ) I agree that just because someone is evil, doesn't mean they are possessed by evil spirits, which is superstition. I believe that people are basically evil, and prone to abusing power and others. However, there are people who break their sinful nature and reflect God's goodness. I see evidence of this, it makes perfect sense. However, I see no evidence that it is in the basic nature of people to do good.
@ExpendableGuy You just aren't gonna let this rest :) You'll probably get the last word in, but that doesn't make you right. You did make the comparison to Hitler and atheists. You claim atheists are not bound by the constraints of "God's" morality, so basically there is nothing stopping us from becoming a "Hitler like" figure. Are you saying that GOD's judgment is the only thing stopping you from wanting to commit atrocities? Of course not...
@jda379 No, I will not leave this alone! ; ) And why would I think that getting the last word in makes me right? You still don't understand. The FIRST time I brought up Hitler I was pointing out flaws in your relativistic moralism. The second time, I was explaining who Hitler really was and what theology was behind his ideas (Which you brought up as a red herring). See the difference?
@ExpendableGuy ..you do not commit atrocious acts because it is not in your nature to do so, as it may be for others. The problem I have with religion is that some people need to "fear burning in hell" to behave theirselves. They need the motivation of "heaven" to accept the faith. Treating others with respect and dignity is in itself the reward and should not be done just because "God said so". That's the real difference between us, most atheists are kind just because its the right thing to do.
@jda379 Wrong. It is a fallacy in argumentation to jump to assumptions like that. I don't have any fear of "burning in hell", if you actually knew the liberating power of Christian theology, you would know it is the exact opposite. I don't give to charity because I will get rewarded. I help people PARTLY because "God says so", wouldn't you if you thought God was real? But also because I want to help people, and reflect Jesus' love. Corny but true.
@ExpendableGuy One more thing, since you bring up hitler's morals: he was NOT an atheist. He fully believed in Catholicism. He thought his actions were the will of GOD. I wouldn't use him as an example anymore. If you're going to use an atheist dictator, try stalin, he works better.
@jda379 I expected you to say something along these lines. If you actually knew anything about Hitler, or read his book, you would know that his theology was heavily influenced by Atheism. He did claim to be a Catholic, but that wasn't his driving force. Eugenics, survival of the fittest -- these are both Atheistic principles. I do agree that Stalin is a good choice as well. Oh, almost forgot, your point was a red herring.
@ExpendableGuy You may not have noticed numerous contradictions in the bible, but they are there. One quick example: 1 John 4:8 "Whoever does not love does not know God, because GOD IS LOVE." Then you have: Deuteronomy 9:1-6 "But be assured today that the Lord your God is the one who goes across ahead of you like a devouring fire. He will destroy them; he will subdue them before you. And you will drive them out and ANNIHILATE THEM QUICKLY, as the Lord has promised you." That is the same god.
@jda379 That one is very simple: Old vs. New Testament God. The Bible is very clear about the old Jewish law being now irrelevant and dead. As someone once said, "You don't have to worry about anything that didn't make it though in incarnation." You again prove your lack of knowledge about Christianity.
@ExpendableGuy Tell me this then. IF the old testament is indeed so "dead and irrelevant" as you say, then why do hundreds of millions of christians still read from it everyday? According to your bible, you cannot add to or take away anything in it. It is still part of the "immovable" word of god. Just a little bit of consistency is all we need.
@jda379 The weird thing is, many others, who know much more than you, see no contradictions in the Bible, or at least do not discount it simply because they do not understand something. The Jewish LAW is irrelevant and dead. 2 Corinthians: 4, along with many other verses I dont have room for agree with me. However, the Old Testament(Not Law) can still be used for: "Learning," "Admonition," and "Patience and Comfort." You again prove your extreme lack of knowledge of what the Bible actually says.
@ExpendableGuy The fact of the matter is: you are ashamed of the comparative contradiction I brought up, and that's OK. But your bible is full of them. Many of the things HUMAN society, not religious society, finds completely unacceptable. So my question to you still remains, why bother defending it?
@jda379 I am not ashamed, in fact, if I remember correctly, I used a theological argument to explain and disprove your apparent contradiction. Human society huh? Cannibals, mass-murdering Atheists, rapists, thieves, etc. etc. It is a common fallacy to think that Humanity as a whole is basically good. Let me ask you a question, if humans are basically good, what makes some of them evil?
@ExpendableGuy Again, these are just a few of countless inconsistencies you will find if you look. Go ahead and make up some weird rationalization like, "they deserved what they got," or maybe, "the lord works in mysterious ways." In the bible you will also find, child abuse, slave abuse, condoned rape, infanticide & sexism -- actions that are NOT acceptable in today's society. Why should this book be a standard of morality? There are better answers.
What does it really matter what is Socially acceptable? That doesnt, or shouldnt, have any impact on your relativistic Atheism. If God is real, it wouldnt matter at all. 2: You, through your worldly mind, see things that way. Yet, you discount the clear and simple truths about culture and taking scripture in context. I fully believe that even if God didn't exist, people would lead a much more happy and meaningful life as a Christian than an Atheist.
@ExpendableGuy Your comment, "We did something evil for rebelling" further shows how incredibly narrow minded you really are. Do the thousands of children that die daily of malaria and starvation really deserve the punishment they receive? If your "loving, all knowing god" were real, this would be prevented. You can make up any sick rationalization you want to, but there is too much pain and suffering for your god to be all-loving. The pieces of the christian puzzle simply do not fit together.
@jda379 Those kids aren't being punished. They are simply living in a fallen world, full of inherently evil people, which also happens to be run by Satan. You see, God doesn't cause the malaria and starvation. Satan does. And, as I said before, God doesn't destroy evil, as WE would also be destroyed along with OUR freewill. It's that simple, maybe it is you who is narrow minded? All the pieces of the Christian "puzzle" as you so eloquently put it fall into place perfectly for me.
@ExpendableGuy im really not sure on what i am atm, but why do christians always say "You can't prove he never existed." Well you can't prove he ever did exist.
@USUKpatriot Hey USUKpatriot, I commented on your video about a second Civil War, right? You can't technically prove God doesn't exist, or that he does; however, there are enough personal experiences, and factual details to make me believe. As I said before, even if God didn't exist, a Christian would lead a more loving and purposeful life than, say, an Atheist, or Catholic.
God is love..if He condemned those who believed and remained faithful to Him before Jesus became a bridge, then, He isn't the God that I know..The God that I know is fair..And to walk over the bridge is not a work..Jesus died for you to be saved..to walk over the bridge is not literal..To walk over the bridge means to accept Jesus as your Lord and personal savior..
Why do you believe this? It's all stories. How do you know Jesus was good? Even if he was real, it's not documented what he did when he was young. Also, thanking someone for sending someone to be tortured and killed is crazy.
we believe this because we have faith..having faith is believing in something that we cannot see..for what we see is temporary and what we do not see is eternal..
Having faith is not just believing in something you can't see. I do that as well. Having faith is believing is in something that there is no suitable evidence for. You might as well have faith in Hinduism? The reason you don't is because you were born in the wrong place.
@MoleOnTheRightCheek Faith is an excuse to believe in something of which you have absolutely ZERO evidence of its existence. What we can sense (or detect) is all we have and what we cannot sense (detect) is what cannot be proven. It is an unending loop hole to keep you drawn in. Take the next step, demand more from the people that promise you eternity. You will see if you try.
@MoleOnTheRightCheek Think about that word "faith" of which you seem so fond. Faith, described by christians is: The substance of things HOPED for. Faith is an excuse to BELIEVE in things that ARE NOT THERE. Faith is merely the WISH that something is there, even though you are NOT sure of it. Faith, I'm sorry to tell you, is not good enough to build an argument upon.
Eminem1698 2 months ago
I ♥ Jesus Christ
reallysimplename 2 months ago
I love you Lord!!
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how about he loves so much, we dont have to listen to his bs. and let us be us. and let him create some new creature to worshop his selfish ass forever. no that would to much wouldent... he can do anything but he wont let us be free from his hells.
sounds like an asshole ex that wont take "we're through" as a hint.
if you wont love me then no one will ever be able to love you! you hell you burn!
this is why i cant believe god.... people made something uncomprehendable way to human... gay.
compendiumgravemind 3 months ago
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compendiumgravemind 3 months ago
i dont belive in this god but i belive in allah
but i cant say this god is bullshit and doesnt exist because im not racist and i belive in a god self so i say stop racism!!
justibisnotfag 3 months ago
@justibisnotfag Allah is this god, its the same god.
Effers23 2 months ago
@Effers23 o-o-oh yeah hehehhe i didnt know that :D
justibisnotfag 2 months ago
@Effers23 no your lieng!! because allah doesnt have the cross but the moon
justibisnotfag 2 months ago
@justibisnotfag wtf has that got to do with anything? Allah.god is the same god of Abraham Moses and Jesus the only thing that is different between the religions is the belief that jesus is the son of god
Effers23 2 months ago
@justibisnotfag lol im sorry your confused bro. :( but allah couldbt be God for issues with his own religion.
MikeyTdrums 2 months ago
May I throw something up?
For the record, im not a believer, but im interrested in others opinions (sorry for my english)
how would very badly handicapped people, early death baby's or autistic people be able to "choose" a good life?
or how would you explain to a toddler with incurable cancer, born out of a non religieus famlily that a certain mighty being is the only way to eternal life...
Arent there just too many examples of situations that this movie cannot cover... please respond
verzwileon2 4 months ago
@verzwileon2 ultimately God allowed for such things to happen to these people but it does not mean God does not love them. How do these people and those around them react to their conditions? God uses these conditions or conditions to send a message for us.He uses these to tell us something.Often we fail to see at what His will is but always ask what is His will for ME or US we should look towards HIS will (period). He communicates His will through prayer, the Bible, CIRCUMSTANCES and the church
Gmanjoshua 3 months ago
@Gmanjoshua Oke, but isnt it a bit harsh that, lets say, a 2 month old baby died an unnatural death is just a test for us to see how we deal with the situation, while the poor baby's soul is just doomed because he could never learn about god or jesus christ? understand I dont mean anything of this to be offensive, I just don't understand many things in regileon and am just very curious about some subjects.
verzwileon2 3 months ago
LOL
rinuxl 4 months ago
Let me put this in terms of a scientest, I cant see God with the naked eye. I cant see an atom with the naked eye. Even though i cant see an atom, i know its there beacause you can see it with a microscope. With a spirit cleansed by God, i can feel the love of Christ. Another example is that we cant see air. But we know its there. I cant ee God ow, but i 100% know he is there!
marshmellowman2011 4 months ago
Jesus (God in human form) came to us to restore the relationship with us is not a religion. Jesus condemned "religion" man in the bible who he called the hypocrites who always talked abt laws but no love in them! Religion is man trying to reach God by their own way. The problem we have is we "think" we are "good" - think again! Are we really? May I ask, when was the last time u threw your temper, telling lies to hide your mistakes, tell people how much charity you did & proud of it, list goes on
callmeqi 4 months ago
Why?? Jesus is after all a carpenter. The video is not to convince the cynic. This is all about a message of LOVE of GOD. The gift that he offers to everyone who is willing to accept. Not because we are religious,pious or even righteous, which we can never be. It's because we have ALL sinned and deserve to go to hell but He wont let it be. If you still do not understand...seek and you shall find. If you refuse to believe this,fine. And you shall fine.
Therockpeter1 6 months ago in playlist Evangelism Using "The Bridge"
We are called homo-sapiens for a real good reason. We are rational/logical thinkers and not just think. If you are so sure Jesus who really he is is but myth or folk lore... prove it! Many tried....and all of them are forgotten. The denial of God's existence do not equate to his nonexistence. Since first century AD many attempted to quash who Jesus really is... from peasants to royalties, religious, political and military leaders... scholars and philosophers. Even an empire. so is opinion
Therockpeter1 6 months ago in playlist Evangelism Using "The Bridge"
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fatwadmcskylar 1 year ago
the only problem ive ever had with religions is their concept of god. i find it too simplistic. you believe as humans you live and die and go to heaven or hell, as humans.Just as science is too simple, so is this approach. my thoughts tell me there is no specific entity, or god, that created and judges. life is not a serious matter of FOLLOW RULES, RECEIVE REWARD.
You see its really an honest, playful game. there is no rule to what game should be played, only that iit should be one you enjoy
fatwadmcskylar 1 year ago
@fatwadmcskylar Unfortunately christianity does tend to seem to present a simplistic, corny, hard to believe in version of God. Please don't limit your ideas on God to your own perception. Read Crazy Love by Francis Chan or any books by Rob Bell.
LIGHTRONIX 8 months ago
No matter how lovely you make this sound, your idea of "God" is still false. What sort of loving father acts so "above" people he created? What kind of loving father creates a hell for anything? It is nonsense... The bible is simply a lie made by ancient men to keep the people in control.
"If God is unable to prevent evil, he is not omnipotent. If God is not willing to prevent evil, he is not good. If God is willing and able to prevent evil, then why does evil exist?" - Epicurus
jda379 1 year ago
@jda379 What makes you think the Bible is a lie? Do you have any proof that God doesn't exist? You can't prove that God doesn't exist; theological arguments can easily be shot down by other arguments, and they are only theory on your part. Science cannot account for a spiritual world, and we do not know everything in science. God "lets" evil exist so freewill can also exist. He put such a high price on human free will that if he destroyed evil, he would also destroy free will.
ExpendableGuy 1 year ago 17
@ExpendableGuy Why do I need proof that your god DOESN'T exist? Do you need proof that the Greek god Zeus DOESN'T exist if I make the claim that he does? Of course you don't. The burden would then be on me to provide evidence of Zeus's existence. So it's your move. You making the claim that "human free will" is why your god won't reveal himself is not expletive of a "loving father". Here is a crazy fact for you: YOU are also an atheist.
jda379 1 year ago
@jda379 Is this a Red herring, it certainly sounds like it. My point was that you can't prove God doesn't exist, through science or ANY means. And what is this about God not revealing himself, what do you mean by that? Also, what makes you think I am an animalistic Atheist? I don't live like it, I live a much more loving and fruitful life because I don't live like an Atheist.
ExpendableGuy 1 year ago 11
@ExpendableGuy There have been over 10,000 recorded deities throughout human history, some from every culture in the world. I'll use the same example from before, the Greek god of gods, Zeus. One does not need to provide evidence to you that Zeus does not exist, the LACK of evidence is overwhelming enough. You do NOT require faith that Zeus does not exist, only an understanding that you hold a neutral position on the matter. If someone could provide some evidence.......................
jda379 1 year ago
@ExpendableGuy .........that Zeus existed, you would at least be more receptive to the idea. That's all it takes to be an atheist. It neither takes faith nor evidence. It is simply a neutral, skeptical position taken on ideas presented without solid evidence to stand on. YOU ARE an atheist in respect to Zeus as well as all the other gods. I just believe in one less god than you. So, having said that, you know perfectly well what it's like to "live like an atheist."
jda379 1 year ago
@jda379 I don't believe in Zeus because the Bible states that there is only one God. If it said that Zeus also happened to be a god, I would believe that as well. Of course, the circumstances, etc. would be VERY different. Second: No I don't know what it is like to live like an Atheist. Atheism is illogical, and immoral. It makes man an animal without moral compass or soul. I live with purpose because I am a Christian.
(Are you going to respond to my other comment on why God is not evil?)
ExpendableGuy 1 year ago 2
@ExpendableGuy well just to get those amermaidists i'll join in.You can't prove that invisible intangible frikking mermaids don't exist either!!ha!!chekmate amermaidists!!
ogaogaboogamba 4 months ago
@ogaogaboogamba For sure, but there is certainly less evidence for the existence of invisible mermaids, and I mean a lot less, than for the Christian God. I would suggest that at one point or another, everyone has to make a guess, unless you are a hardcore agnostic, and while there is not certainity, we can make educated guesses.
Also, since you just had to comment on this a year after it was said, I want to make it clear that my opinions and knowledge of reality has changed quite a bit.
ExpendableGuy 4 months ago
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@ExpendableGuy Think about this as well: If god is real he cannot possibly be good. If he is capable of creating a perfect and evil free heaven, then to put us on earth first is simply evil. Why watch as millions suffer in poverty, wars, natural disasters, etc when he could have us all in heaven? You may say earth is a test but why does an all-knowing god need to test his own creation? Christianity, like every religion is a load of illogical nonsense.
jda379 1 year ago
.@jda379 For some reason this didn't show up in my comments inbox? Someone marked it as spam.
From the way you are speaking, you show that you have NO idea what real Christianity is. First of all, who told you we are here for a test? I didn't say that. No, God put us on a perfect world, right after creation. Then we as humans(Adam) corrupted the world, God just rescued us. So, God did nothing evil for putting us on a perfect world. We did something evil for rebelling.
ExpendableGuy 1 year ago 5
@ExpendableGuy I was a devout christian for 20 years & studied the bible diligently, it is not a mystery to me. Believers will tell you if you listen, you are put here to be tested by god. There is nothing perfect about the planet earth and there never has been. You look at life through the narrow blinders of the bible. It is full of countless contradictions and things most people consider to be barbaric (e.g. slavery, mass genocide, rape.. yes I can give specific scriptures)
jda379 1 year ago
@jda379 I have never encountered these "believers". In one sense, it would appear they are correct, BUT only to a point. I have never seen a contradiction in the Bible, for me, everything makes sense and has purpose. I know people who have studied the Bible longer than you, and see no problem. Also, what makes you think there was never anything perfect about this planet? According to the Bible, the world was perfect, without death, before sin arrived. You keep on resorting to smear tactics.
ExpendableGuy 1 year ago 3
@ExpendableGuy Sin -- another abstract word conjured by religious people. "According to the bible" has been the cornerstone to your arguments and I'm will be as long as this continues. The bible is a storybook, nothing more. It cannot be taken seriously in theistic debates. How much weight would the quran hold against you in an argument with a muslim? It also, is a storybook.
jda379 1 year ago
@jda379 Sin is very concrete; it just depends on your level of understanding. If my faith was only based on the Bible, it wouldn't be much of a faith at all. There is much more to it. I used the Bible in my arguments since we were arguing about the Bible, and what it says.
ExpendableGuy 1 year ago
@ExpendableGuy It's tiring to argue so hard with you. "Sin" is an abstract concept; which is the opposite of the meaning of "concrete". "Sin" is more in comparison with the word "ugly". "Sin" & "Ugly" are strictly points of view from one person to the next, they do not mean the same to everyone. Sin, in other languages, simply means "without", it doesn't appear so dramatic to them. We know what your bible describes as sin, but to those of us who live in the real world, it is just another word.
jda379 1 year ago
@jda379 It does depend on your perspective, only as long as perspective is defined by your level of understanding. Since "Sin" is abstract, I can steal and murder, right? There is nothing wrong with it; it seems good from MY perspective. Please, relativistic world views are extremely flawed. Hitler thought he was doing the human race a favor. According to you, he was right, as long as HE believed that he was right. Or does it turn out that you actually do believe in morality?
ExpendableGuy 1 year ago
@ExpendableGuy I love how you compare hitler to everyone else that has a conscience. Get this concept through your head because it is the main point I want you to understand: humans CAN have tremendous personal morals WITHOUT religion. Religion has wrongly staked a claim on SO many positive human conditions e.g. love, joy, peace, & compassion to name a few. These belong to the whole of humanity, not christianity who hijacked them saying they ONLY come through jesus christ. Nonsense.
jda379 1 year ago
@jda379 You have absolutely no evidence of those claims. In fact, I would say that there is evidence in the contrary. The Atheistic wars in the past 60 years have literally killed more humans than any religious wars in the past. I am not defending man-made religion, I am just pointing out that when people are left to their own devices, and they more often than not mess things up.
ExpendableGuy 1 year ago
@ExpendableGuy You continue to pick and choose what you want to believe from your book. But we are past that now, it's the same old thing. You haven't understood any of the concepts, you just continue to make groundless comparisons to atheism, cannibals, rapists & thieves LMAO... Believe what you want to, but may others know to question anything suggested without proof. Don't believe in anything. It's OK to NOT know until evidence has been provided. Good luck to all! =)
jda379 1 year ago
@jda379 I have never cherry picked what I wanted from my Bible. Groundless comparisons? When I brought up Hitler, I was using him in the argument of morality being relativistic. Then you tried to make it seem like I was comparing him to all Atheists. When I said- thieves, rapists, etc. I meant that it would appear humanity is not basically good. And my question still remains, if people are good, what makes some of them evil? Good luck to you as well; I hope you think about what was said here.
ExpendableGuy 1 year ago
@ExpendableGuy Oh boy... Humanity is a broad spectrum of good and evil personalities. Morality is not defined by religion. People can be "evil" due to a combination of their genetics, environment, mental health & intelligence level, among other factors. Whether or not they accept Jesus Christ as their personal lord and savior has nothing to do with it. People are not malevolent because they are possessed with demon spirits. Neither mysticism nor superstition are factors of human morality.
jda379 1 year ago
@jda379 Hey buddy, I thought you were done : ) I agree that just because someone is evil, doesn't mean they are possessed by evil spirits, which is superstition. I believe that people are basically evil, and prone to abusing power and others. However, there are people who break their sinful nature and reflect God's goodness. I see evidence of this, it makes perfect sense. However, I see no evidence that it is in the basic nature of people to do good.
ExpendableGuy 1 year ago
@ExpendableGuy You just aren't gonna let this rest :) You'll probably get the last word in, but that doesn't make you right. You did make the comparison to Hitler and atheists. You claim atheists are not bound by the constraints of "God's" morality, so basically there is nothing stopping us from becoming a "Hitler like" figure. Are you saying that GOD's judgment is the only thing stopping you from wanting to commit atrocities? Of course not...
jda379 1 year ago
@jda379 No, I will not leave this alone! ; ) And why would I think that getting the last word in makes me right? You still don't understand. The FIRST time I brought up Hitler I was pointing out flaws in your relativistic moralism. The second time, I was explaining who Hitler really was and what theology was behind his ideas (Which you brought up as a red herring). See the difference?
ExpendableGuy 1 year ago
@ExpendableGuy ..you do not commit atrocious acts because it is not in your nature to do so, as it may be for others. The problem I have with religion is that some people need to "fear burning in hell" to behave theirselves. They need the motivation of "heaven" to accept the faith. Treating others with respect and dignity is in itself the reward and should not be done just because "God said so". That's the real difference between us, most atheists are kind just because its the right thing to do.
jda379 1 year ago
@jda379 Wrong. It is a fallacy in argumentation to jump to assumptions like that. I don't have any fear of "burning in hell", if you actually knew the liberating power of Christian theology, you would know it is the exact opposite. I don't give to charity because I will get rewarded. I help people PARTLY because "God says so", wouldn't you if you thought God was real? But also because I want to help people, and reflect Jesus' love. Corny but true.
ExpendableGuy 1 year ago
@ExpendableGuy One more thing, since you bring up hitler's morals: he was NOT an atheist. He fully believed in Catholicism. He thought his actions were the will of GOD. I wouldn't use him as an example anymore. If you're going to use an atheist dictator, try stalin, he works better.
jda379 1 year ago
@jda379 I expected you to say something along these lines. If you actually knew anything about Hitler, or read his book, you would know that his theology was heavily influenced by Atheism. He did claim to be a Catholic, but that wasn't his driving force. Eugenics, survival of the fittest -- these are both Atheistic principles. I do agree that Stalin is a good choice as well. Oh, almost forgot, your point was a red herring.
ExpendableGuy 1 year ago
@ExpendableGuy You may not have noticed numerous contradictions in the bible, but they are there. One quick example: 1 John 4:8 "Whoever does not love does not know God, because GOD IS LOVE." Then you have: Deuteronomy 9:1-6 "But be assured today that the Lord your God is the one who goes across ahead of you like a devouring fire. He will destroy them; he will subdue them before you. And you will drive them out and ANNIHILATE THEM QUICKLY, as the Lord has promised you." That is the same god.
jda379 1 year ago
@jda379 That one is very simple: Old vs. New Testament God. The Bible is very clear about the old Jewish law being now irrelevant and dead. As someone once said, "You don't have to worry about anything that didn't make it though in incarnation." You again prove your lack of knowledge about Christianity.
ExpendableGuy 1 year ago
@ExpendableGuy Tell me this then. IF the old testament is indeed so "dead and irrelevant" as you say, then why do hundreds of millions of christians still read from it everyday? According to your bible, you cannot add to or take away anything in it. It is still part of the "immovable" word of god. Just a little bit of consistency is all we need.
jda379 1 year ago
@jda379 The weird thing is, many others, who know much more than you, see no contradictions in the Bible, or at least do not discount it simply because they do not understand something. The Jewish LAW is irrelevant and dead. 2 Corinthians: 4, along with many other verses I dont have room for agree with me. However, the Old Testament(Not Law) can still be used for: "Learning," "Admonition," and "Patience and Comfort." You again prove your extreme lack of knowledge of what the Bible actually says.
ExpendableGuy 1 year ago
@ExpendableGuy The fact of the matter is: you are ashamed of the comparative contradiction I brought up, and that's OK. But your bible is full of them. Many of the things HUMAN society, not religious society, finds completely unacceptable. So my question to you still remains, why bother defending it?
jda379 1 year ago
@jda379 I am not ashamed, in fact, if I remember correctly, I used a theological argument to explain and disprove your apparent contradiction. Human society huh? Cannibals, mass-murdering Atheists, rapists, thieves, etc. etc. It is a common fallacy to think that Humanity as a whole is basically good. Let me ask you a question, if humans are basically good, what makes some of them evil?
ExpendableGuy 1 year ago
@ExpendableGuy Again, these are just a few of countless inconsistencies you will find if you look. Go ahead and make up some weird rationalization like, "they deserved what they got," or maybe, "the lord works in mysterious ways." In the bible you will also find, child abuse, slave abuse, condoned rape, infanticide & sexism -- actions that are NOT acceptable in today's society. Why should this book be a standard of morality? There are better answers.
jda379 1 year ago
@jda379
What does it really matter what is Socially acceptable? That doesnt, or shouldnt, have any impact on your relativistic Atheism. If God is real, it wouldnt matter at all. 2: You, through your worldly mind, see things that way. Yet, you discount the clear and simple truths about culture and taking scripture in context. I fully believe that even if God didn't exist, people would lead a much more happy and meaningful life as a Christian than an Atheist.
ExpendableGuy 1 year ago
@ExpendableGuy Your comment, "We did something evil for rebelling" further shows how incredibly narrow minded you really are. Do the thousands of children that die daily of malaria and starvation really deserve the punishment they receive? If your "loving, all knowing god" were real, this would be prevented. You can make up any sick rationalization you want to, but there is too much pain and suffering for your god to be all-loving. The pieces of the christian puzzle simply do not fit together.
jda379 1 year ago
@jda379 Those kids aren't being punished. They are simply living in a fallen world, full of inherently evil people, which also happens to be run by Satan. You see, God doesn't cause the malaria and starvation. Satan does. And, as I said before, God doesn't destroy evil, as WE would also be destroyed along with OUR freewill. It's that simple, maybe it is you who is narrow minded? All the pieces of the Christian "puzzle" as you so eloquently put it fall into place perfectly for me.
ExpendableGuy 1 year ago 2
@ExpendableGuy im really not sure on what i am atm, but why do christians always say "You can't prove he never existed." Well you can't prove he ever did exist.
USUKpatriot 1 year ago
@USUKpatriot Hey USUKpatriot, I commented on your video about a second Civil War, right? You can't technically prove God doesn't exist, or that he does; however, there are enough personal experiences, and factual details to make me believe. As I said before, even if God didn't exist, a Christian would lead a more loving and purposeful life than, say, an Atheist, or Catholic.
ExpendableGuy 1 year ago
God is love..if He condemned those who believed and remained faithful to Him before Jesus became a bridge, then, He isn't the God that I know..The God that I know is fair..And to walk over the bridge is not a work..Jesus died for you to be saved..to walk over the bridge is not literal..To walk over the bridge means to accept Jesus as your Lord and personal savior..
MoleOnTheRightCheek 1 year ago
Why do you believe this? It's all stories. How do you know Jesus was good? Even if he was real, it's not documented what he did when he was young. Also, thanking someone for sending someone to be tortured and killed is crazy.
amazinhazon 2 years ago
we believe this because we have faith..having faith is believing in something that we cannot see..for what we see is temporary and what we do not see is eternal..
MoleOnTheRightCheek 1 year ago 3
@MoleOnTheRightCheek
Having faith is not just believing in something you can't see. I do that as well. Having faith is believing is in something that there is no suitable evidence for. You might as well have faith in Hinduism? The reason you don't is because you were born in the wrong place.
amazinhazon 1 year ago
@amazinhazon Exactly, that is the insanely simple fact that they all seem to overlook.
jda379 1 year ago
@MoleOnTheRightCheek Faith is an excuse to believe in something of which you have absolutely ZERO evidence of its existence. What we can sense (or detect) is all we have and what we cannot sense (detect) is what cannot be proven. It is an unending loop hole to keep you drawn in. Take the next step, demand more from the people that promise you eternity. You will see if you try.
jda379 1 year ago
@MoleOnTheRightCheek Think about that word "faith" of which you seem so fond. Faith, described by christians is: The substance of things HOPED for. Faith is an excuse to BELIEVE in things that ARE NOT THERE. Faith is merely the WISH that something is there, even though you are NOT sure of it. Faith, I'm sorry to tell you, is not good enough to build an argument upon.
jda379 1 year ago
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it's still really confusing. when i make something and i know how its going to turn out, i cant be disappointed.
yusufer5000 3 years ago
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yusufer5000 3 years ago
That made God sound kinda... fruity.
sabconth 3 years ago