i dont understand why these guys dont bother to become sound engineers and producers and DJs. i mean if they are so into sound quality and spending all this money on gear why dont they make a living out of it i am a sound engineer/producer and i am not even this into sound quality.
sound endineering/producing is exact opposite of „audiophilia“. It requires serious equipment, not just terrible amplifiers with 5% THD for few thousands euro or even more. Good sound engineer would never believe in all that lie we heard in this video.
Here's a little trick if you think your amplifier isn't powerful enough, or your speakers distort at the volume you'd like: sit closer to the speakers! This also makes expensive room treatments less necessary, even in a bad room, as you are increasing the ratio of direct:reflected sound.
I live in an apartment, and can't really treat my living room properly, but since I live alone, I have the speakers and seating set up for more direct sound, which makes quite a difference.
Fascinating. The music itself is the most important thing, and unfortunately, most audiophiles I have ever met have terrible taste. I laugh when I read Stereophile or TAS reviews, and the nitwits are blathering on about the most atrocious "music." It's usually some dreadful pop, or wannabe "jazz," and hardly worth spending all that money on a sound system for.
The rack is 30% of the sound, electricity is 50%..... I think that guy focuses on the details a bit too much. Why don't we see swinging racks and 1000Euro/1m silver wire in the recording studios, where the quality is the most important? Maybe because recording engineers know what actually matters to get a good sound?
These guys sound like they are regurgitating sales talk and have a rudimentary understanding of what their equipment is designed to do or not to do. I would like to hear the evolution of their systems from when they first became audiophiles.
@filippxxx Women have a better sense of hearing than men do when evaluating the sound of a system trained or untrained. My sister has a friend who dumped $100,000.00 into a system and she would rather listen to my $5,000.00 system. component matching is more important than how much you spend on a system.
When i bought my Amplifier i paid the seller 500 USD extra cuz he said you get better the more u spend and WOW! It was much better than the one in the shop!
I knew people with a crappy radio running on batteries that listened to the music with 10,000 times more quality than this guys, music comes from the mind and soul of the musician and goes to the mind and soul of the listener, thats the only expensive equipment we need,
Alas, the sunlit uplands into which my granddad sought to lead us all turned out to be Herod's temple, with moneychangers and snake oil salesmen. You know, the august members of the AES sit around in restaurants and night clubs after their conventions laughing at the "high end" - when they're not crying in despair at the deception and outright fraud some of these bozos perpetrate on their customers. Passion without knowledge is folly. :-)
Sorry to disappoint and enrage, but like the wine connoisseurs who are unable to distinguish cheap from expensive wines in double blind tests, audiophiles also lack the sophistication they claim possess.
Fucking audioniggers. Your idiocy has caused manufacturers to stray away from sound science in order to cater to your religious horseshit. Audiophile products are designed to feed a placebo addiction, and more often than not are measurably inferior to begin with due to incompetent design.
@10.45 seeing the wife face :) btw... congratulations guys...i wish...i could stay one night in one of you guys home...so i could bring one of my LP and play it..i have cheap set-up only..
I dont have to spend 200 grand on a hifi - I just go to concerts!? these guys should give it a go! they would A: save a hell of a lot of money B: experience the music in the moment. Surely, whenever music has to be recreated it will never ever match the original performance. I think they may be more in love with the technology as opposed to music...
Howard Dumble said "rich harmonics don't like to live in solid state crystal lattice". No serious guitarist exists without a tube amp. Also, power is huge. Calculators and books have their purpose but academics only goes so far. I suppose a Stradivarius can be calculated to sound the same out of cardboard. And a '59 Gibson Les Paul out of plastic. Like Howard these guys are Brilliant. Professional musicians & access to their studios is far beyond the reach of most enthusiats.
@JCKCPA Actually the perfect amp is solid state, because it can in theory reproduce sound perfectly with MUCH higher resolution and faster response than a tube amp. You are talking about altering the input signal with the amplifier. Especially distortion were because of the physics that govern them they create a more pleasant sound when they are overloaded.
Agreed ( I did notice some wooden diffusors in one of the rooms though )
The other thing that occurs to me is that a cutting lathe doesn't need all the suspension etc that these guys seem to rely on, maybe, just maybe, the fact they have spent a LOT of money on their equipment enhances what they hear ;-)
The fact they listen to vinyl with its limited bandwidth/dynamic range is very telling IMO
I wonder how they'd respond to a wider dynamic range ? ;-)
@bluesman979 it's all in perception. If your brain tells you there is a difference, you will hear a difference. Check out the The McGurk Effect.. similar but instead of relying on sight you rely on the high price = high quality.
what suprises me is not that people spend 200 000 euro on analogue audio gear, but that some of them have wives/families that haven't left them yet. If you want to pursue some esoteric fantasy by yourself this is fine, reality being the tenuous entity that it is, but in a family other people have to live with you.
@MultimediaForFree ACTUALLY ITS NOT funny because clear electricity is very important . not only in audio system but in every kind of electronic machines. everything in factories is created to work on 230 V or 120 V if you give less or more the result will be worse ... that guy is right ... buying all that staff has sens only if u have well prepared room and clear electricity .
What a load of bollox. You are worrying about the electricity when your room is not spectrum analysed and therefore the audio is bouncing like a mother all around your reflective walls and wooden furniture. Malages!!! It would have been cheaper to buy a neumann lathe whic made the vinyl in the first place. 375 rotations? No matter how much counter balance you have the friction from your diamond cut stylus is taking 0.067% volume from your vinyl as it is deteriorating every time you play it.
@6gu7 You know what, you're absolutely right. They must have auditioned hundreds of speakers and assorted components to find the perfect combination that miraculously nullifies the majority of standing waves, modal ringing, flutter echo etc. I hope they never move, otherwise, they have to repeat the process all over again, right? Wrong. You're wrong and they are wrong.
@comperic2003 If you build your own componets, it's a hell of alot easier to tweak speakers, caps, tubes ect... than tearing out walls and ceilings just because you Purchased a new amp or speaker. Most people dont build, they buy. If you can not build, or at least tweak, your only option is to renovate the room to make a peice "WORK", or get rid of it and buy another,then another, then another.......
it's an illness... they miss the basic point - the sound was recorded under very much dirty "real world" conditions of electricity and they try to play it back using their "clean" "technology"... they would have to create the sound recording themselves but I doubt it's achieveable by using standard equipment and electricity...
This passion is actually beyond listening to the music itself. Trying and changing equipment is a constant at this level.Happiness is short lived until they try something else...
I am sure one of the enjoyments is watching the parts move and the tubes light up. By that I mean that the moving of the analog parts to produce a sound is mentally and visually appealing. There is this biker that passed away known as Indian Larry and his philosophy on building bikes is he wanted to see the gears move and wanted the wheels to be spoked wheels not carved blanks because he likes to see the moving parts on the bike. Same kind of philosophy here.
It is a beautiful madness. I have suffered from it, lifelong. I don't have these guys' budget, but I do understand, I do because I have wandered similar paths (though mine are backstreets or cobblestone instead of autobahns). I wonder though, and don't take this the wrong way because it is not a criticism - have you ever noticed how male centric this obsession is? Don't you find that curious?
.A lot of narrow minded or artisticly''uninterested''people find this expression of investment in sound and music as over consumption.When you listen to music like this''open's''another window in your mind and it fill's you with a ''breeze'' of feelings and strong emotions.Words cannot describe it. You ought to yourself just even once to live it and feel it!
Open your eyes guys!We in Greece we have some of the most organized audio societies in the world and also analogically to our population in comparison with other''audiophile countries''we have one of the largests audio markets and number of audiophilers.This show's our love in the art of music and our spiritual level.The investment in audio equipment is a translation and express of respect in one of the greatests arts!MUSIC
@90krater As a matter of fact Greeks didn't run out of money because they were all buying expensive hifi gear but because Germany and Italy didn't pay their war fees!
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There is a difference between buying a Ford and then buying Mercedes their is no proof that the human ear can hear the difference between a 500$ system and a million dollar system. These guys are pathetic losers that weren't good at anything in their lives except for buying really expensive audio equipment.
If you live in Germany, please come to my house. I've got 2 systems, one in my bedroom (~400 EUR) and one in my living room (~45,000 EUR). I know, it's not 1 million, but there is a huge huge difference, belive me. Like night and day.
@alinthebest I am 100% sure if you did a blind test between a 45 000 dollar system and a 500-1000$ system you will not hear a difference. Your eyes deceive your ears.
Great video and interesting characters. It's a state of mind they're after. Even if the AC remains at 230V their brain is different from day to day which keeps them coming back.
@JCKCPA SSL mixing boards are widely respected as the best sounding piece of equipment. Solid State Logic, right ? I can cry hearin' Charlie Parker recorded on a shit mp3 ripped from a shitty 40s 78 rpm. Music is not about hearin' the difference between 22kh and 22,1khz...
@JCKCPA I played the piano for 8 years so I know what it feels like. And there is a ton of computer-usin' music that is every bit as much interesting. 100% of audiophiles are classical music snobs anyway.
@SlikkTim i'm an audiophile, dickweed, and I listen to 90 % pure rock 'n' roll, made by guys with big fucking hard-ons who are skull-fucking chicks between solos. so i guess what i'm saying is: you don't know what you're talking about, so shut your shit-hole.
@SlikkTim you have no idea what fidelity is, or where to find it. are careful recordings that preserve a musical event confined to only certain kinds of music? is that what you're saying? that's moronic. high fidelity recordings are widespread in every genre, including rock and pop. and while they sound just fine, or at least serviceable, on a computer, they can make your hair stand up on a good system. you really have no idea what you're talking about, which is what I find cute
@JCKCPA So the digital(?) is run through a tube???? What does that mean? In a recording studio the sound comes from the mic to a pre-amp then usually an ADC, do you mean it is run through a tube before the ADC or that the the digital signal from the adc is put through a dac then through a tube and then adc again? The latter would be a very poor option. And by the way CDs can sound very VERY good if mastered properly, but the mastering process can also ruin it.
@Imprezaman555 Simple thing, generally the best mic pre-amps are tube pre-amps, does that answer your question where the tubes are involved in the chain before going digital?
@JCKCPA Whole world is analog and yet You are watching movies recorded by digital camera, recorded on digital disc and played via digital player on digital screen. And it looks much better than it was in 'analog times'. And it's no different with sound. Tube amp? Yes, they _DISTORT_ sound in nice way, especially when lamps are almost in overdrive. But it's still distorion of original sound. That's why when you need clear and perfect sound you stick with high quality AA class transistor amp.
I hate how wifes wouldn't mind spending 30.000 on a car, or design furniture, or jewlery, but when the guy spends it on a stereo system they get upset and angry cause they think it's stupid, but the guy is chasing a dream you know what i mean?
Your stereo isn't just matter, it can take you to very high states of mind exploring emotion and this is priceless!!
@jgfergus -_- a 320kbps mp3 is WELL damn good enough for listening to music on a high quality stereo, also, remember cd's come at 16 bit/44.1khz. In other words any stereo can output it losslessly and the only difference of the expensive stereo is of course the volume the speakers can reach, or it'll sound better if you were on a cheap as fuck stereo beforehand.
@ojeteculaid Completely ignorant*. No, i'm not. The idea is, unless the audio's compressed to 128kbps or less, the quality difference is virtually un-noticeable. There are exceptions when you can tell the difference between a cd OR vinyl, and that's when you hear audio that's been DIGITALLY recorded at a studio and been compressed to 24 bit/192khz audio. So no, I'm not ignorant. Another thing for jgfergus. There is no audible difference between a 320kbps mp3 and a cd/vinyl, none whatsoever.
@sneaker177 "Compessed" to 24bit/192kHz? Are you out of your mind? There shouldn't be ANY compression involved in digitizing to 24/bit/192KHz. MPEG-1, MPEG-4, these are compression algorithms that are NOT present on a CD quality or SA-CD quality discs.
@dvamateur Well I'm not sure if they could possibly record at higher quality than that, so I said compressed. Anyway, you understand that 24/192 and all that sound much better.
@ojeteculaid So yeah, basically what you two are very vulnerable to is the placebo effect. If you spend 1k on an audio system, it'll sound just as good, QUALITY wise, compared to a 20k system. All these terms such as "warmth" and "clarity" ect, are marketing techniques. Good speakers are good. High quality audio is high quality audio. If it's off a freaking cd at 16bit/44.1khz you can't really say OMG QUALITY. Because 24/96 or 24/192 sounds MUCH better. -_-
bunch of ignorant posts around here really...hey its their money and they can do whatever the fuck they want to do with it, just like the guy said, some folks buy a mercedes or whatever. buying this expensive equipment doesn't make you crazy...they are realy extremely fanatical about but like i said, its their money.
yeah these kind of people is what ultra-high end audio industry thrives on. you can get the same sound without the flashy looks and a whole lot less money but these guys dont believe it. you can show them and prove them that they dont need the high-end gear but THEY JUST WONT BELIEVE IT.
All of these people suffer from a very serious case of TTM (TOO MUCH MONEY). Does anyone actually believe that these clowns enjoy listening to music. They can't, all they can do is sit an anyalyze the short comings of their audio systems.
SICK, SICK, SICK and I feel both sympathy and contempt for them.
High end audio retailers sell nothing but insecurity to these suckers.
That's all well and good...but no matter how much you spend on stereo....it can only be as good as the original recording........and recordings these days are rubbish.......it's designed for shitty radios and car stereos and to be as loud as possible with no dynamic range.........and for ipods as convenience music ......like microwave meals..........you just get themusic but you don't get the quality.........it's recorded to be similar and to be as loud as the advertisements that follow it...
i reckon your better off going the DIY route ....save yourself 90% of the cost and get a better sound....no R&D ...marketing .....middlemen and all that bullshit......
This is the only hobby where people try to reduce everything to nothing. It all sounds the same, and blah blah blah--all coming from people with zero listening experience and plenty of erroneous pre-conceived notions. Go listen before pontificating nonsense. As for double blind tests, they are great for drug trials but for audio listening? Less so. Experienced listeners know better than to be fooled by face plate colors and other supposed causes of claimed audible differences.
The signal is not going to "know" anything. Your ears are. The signal is going to behave differently. If you have the same car going to the same destination using different paths, one that has better conditions than the other, which one will reach the place in optimum condition? I know what your point is, you CAN do terrific things without spending lots of money on esoteric gear, but chances are that you'll end with better results if you use good gear, usually expensive one.
@SirBobHaulk In a studio there are A LOT of things to compare that can refuse your theory that "a watt is a watt" or "every amp sounds the same".....Compare a Neumann tube mic, with a similar one that costs 2000$ less. Try a cheap Preamp and a decent preamp. Try a cheap console and compare it to a SSL Console. If there's no sense in the result, the whole audio world is nuts.
@SirBobHaulk Based on your expertise, there's no reason to expend thousands of dollars in a NEVE Preamp for your studio for example, since it sounds as good as a Radio Shack Preamp? Come on! If you have serious sense of audio knowledge you got to admit that audio signals are just that, ELECTRIC SIGNALS, and everything that can help to achieve a better connection, transport, or performance HAS AN IMPACT OVER QUALITY!
@darknetzulu Well i've twenty years experience and i can tell you there is no reason to spend all that money on an amp. Zappa used a Nad amp and a pair of jbl speakers. Tell me how am audio signal is gonna know if it's a cheap amp or a dear one,how a cd knows it's zero's and one's are being read by a dear cd player. Mostly when talking with audiofools i find not one of them can explain the physics behind why they think one watt is different from another watt.
@SirBobHaulk I also respect your experience. Having said this, i will recall some opinion from Brian Eno, a very known musician/producer/engineer. He once said that he has been on budget studios with the weirdest combination of unusual gear and questionable acoustic treatments that sounds like heaven, and the counterpart, he also has been at high end studios loaded with expensive gear and nice acoustic designs that sounds like crap...
@SirBobHaulk I also respect your experience. Having said this, i will recall some opinion from Brian Eno, a very known musician/producer/engineer. He once said that he has been on budget studios with the weirdest combination of unusual gear and questionable acoustic treatments that sounds like heaven, and the counterpart, he also has been at high end studios loaded with expensive gear and nice acoustic designs that sounds like crap...
Love the Westminster Royals.
revco68 1 day ago
i dont understand why these guys dont bother to become sound engineers and producers and DJs. i mean if they are so into sound quality and spending all this money on gear why dont they make a living out of it i am a sound engineer/producer and i am not even this into sound quality.
ForgottenFaces001 2 days ago
@ForgottenFaces001
sound endineering/producing is exact opposite of „audiophilia“. It requires serious equipment, not just terrible amplifiers with 5% THD for few thousands euro or even more. Good sound engineer would never believe in all that lie we heard in this video.
sputnikas 12 hours ago
You should all review vivid audio loudspeakers. Voted greatest Loudspeaker on earth at CES
theprof291166 3 days ago in playlist Liked videos
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I THINK THESE GUYS SHOULD SPEND A HELL OF A LOT MONEY TO LEARN SOME PROPER ENGLISH INSTEAD OF WASTING RIDICULOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY ON CHASING FIDELITY.
NEEDLESS TO SAY THAT THIS KIND OF PEOPLE MADE WHAT GREECE IS TODAY. AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE DEPT CRISIS.
kke1967 4 days ago
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kke1967 5 days ago
But, can it play records?
ImperviousMason 2 weeks ago
49 audiophobes dislike this
ziher123 2 weeks ago
Here's a little trick if you think your amplifier isn't powerful enough, or your speakers distort at the volume you'd like: sit closer to the speakers! This also makes expensive room treatments less necessary, even in a bad room, as you are increasing the ratio of direct:reflected sound.
I live in an apartment, and can't really treat my living room properly, but since I live alone, I have the speakers and seating set up for more direct sound, which makes quite a difference.
preferfur 3 weeks ago
Fascinating. The music itself is the most important thing, and unfortunately, most audiophiles I have ever met have terrible taste. I laugh when I read Stereophile or TAS reviews, and the nitwits are blathering on about the most atrocious "music." It's usually some dreadful pop, or wannabe "jazz," and hardly worth spending all that money on a sound system for.
preferfur 3 weeks ago
rich folk be getting up to all sort of foolishness with they money.
Horace01 1 month ago
12:57 what music it is ?????
sTaLK3rMR2 1 month ago
The reason why greek economy went south...
weskoki 1 month ago
Whats the song in the intro?
BoJezy 1 month ago
I like these guys ! So much passion! Congratulations, this is way to go.
MASaudiophile 2 months ago
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The rack is 30% of the sound, electricity is 50%..... I think that guy focuses on the details a bit too much. Why don't we see swinging racks and 1000Euro/1m silver wire in the recording studios, where the quality is the most important? Maybe because recording engineers know what actually matters to get a good sound?
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Parkinson9999 2 months ago
These guys sound like they are regurgitating sales talk and have a rudimentary understanding of what their equipment is designed to do or not to do. I would like to hear the evolution of their systems from when they first became audiophiles.
bcdhifi 2 months ago
What song starts at 11:20? Sounds fun.
svtcontour 3 months ago
6:48 she doesn't like his obsession one bit...i bet he spends more time with his stereo than he does fucking her
reformationband1 3 months ago
no video on them systems?
54taqiyya 3 months ago
i wonder how did they earn all that money , their english is worse than my arabic...
hubertholownia 3 months ago
@hubertholownia they are greek?
54taqiyya 3 months ago
A man's hearing is trained. Most of the people here would never hear the difference between a 10.000E system and a 100.000 one.
filippxxx 4 months ago
@filippxxx Women have a better sense of hearing than men do when evaluating the sound of a system trained or untrained. My sister has a friend who dumped $100,000.00 into a system and she would rather listen to my $5,000.00 system. component matching is more important than how much you spend on a system.
bcdhifi 2 months ago
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How much ? Now i understand the Greek crisis...
omnivorace 4 months ago
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How much ? Now i understand the Greek crisis...
omnivorace 4 months ago
How much ? Now i understand the Greek crisis...
:)))
omnivorace 4 months ago
When i bought my Amplifier i paid the seller 500 USD extra cuz he said you get better the more u spend and WOW! It was much better than the one in the shop!
86Ivar 4 months ago
... and I got micro stereo system of 15 000 euros, in my garage, just for fooling around while cleaning my car...
kyrborg 4 months ago
These guys are all anal
demarcos69 4 months ago 2
I knew people with a crappy radio running on batteries that listened to the music with 10,000 times more quality than this guys, music comes from the mind and soul of the musician and goes to the mind and soul of the listener, thats the only expensive equipment we need,
tealosophy 4 months ago
@tealosophy what the fuck....? lmao your comment made no sense.
ImperviousMason 4 months ago
I can't imagine how magnificent must be the sound of this gear live.
BlackLionFilms 4 months ago
The 240p sound quality isn't really doing justice to this guy's gear.
Tbannu 4 months ago 20
Alas, the sunlit uplands into which my granddad sought to lead us all turned out to be Herod's temple, with moneychangers and snake oil salesmen. You know, the august members of the AES sit around in restaurants and night clubs after their conventions laughing at the "high end" - when they're not crying in despair at the deception and outright fraud some of these bozos perpetrate on their customers. Passion without knowledge is folly. :-)
mrz80 5 months ago
I wear earplugs when I go to clubs. Your ears are the most important piece of equipment and they're irreplaceable. Look after them.
DarkAndMartyr 5 months ago 2
Sorry to disappoint and enrage, but like the wine connoisseurs who are unable to distinguish cheap from expensive wines in double blind tests, audiophiles also lack the sophistication they claim possess.
TotallyVeracious 5 months ago 3
Fucking audioniggers. Your idiocy has caused manufacturers to stray away from sound science in order to cater to your religious horseshit. Audiophile products are designed to feed a placebo addiction, and more often than not are measurably inferior to begin with due to incompetent design.
ZakharovProkhor 5 months ago
los envidio, y los respeto lo quiero como lo tienen... OTRO NIVEL...
juandiegopr1 6 months ago
these gentlemen are passionate and speak from the heart with great emotion....my hat goes off to them.
Tecnics SU-V7 amp with AR4x speakers....
GG
bridetshirt 6 months ago
@10.45 seeing the wife face :) btw... congratulations guys...i wish...i could stay one night in one of you guys home...so i could bring one of my LP and play it..i have cheap set-up only..
BajuriProduction 6 months ago
Ha ha ha better is simple, japan Hi-Fi
STALONE11000 6 months ago
What is the model of the power supply of the brand "Exact Power" shown on video (2'37 ")?
Vintagecomputer 6 months ago
I am not crazy 6:18
90krater 6 months ago
@giorgiop29
I didn't know who or what it was, but was using the SoundHound app on my Android phone. It found the song just by "listening" to it.
Zingo33 6 months ago
I dont have to spend 200 grand on a hifi - I just go to concerts!? these guys should give it a go! they would A: save a hell of a lot of money B: experience the music in the moment. Surely, whenever music has to be recreated it will never ever match the original performance. I think they may be more in love with the technology as opposed to music...
richppreston 6 months ago
@giorgiop29 It's called Hyperborean by Arild Andersen
Zingo33 6 months ago
The system might cost a million dollars, but if it can't play the music I like well, it's still a shitty system.
Zingo33 6 months ago
These people are out of control
4evaclapham 6 months ago
Howard Dumble said "rich harmonics don't like to live in solid state crystal lattice". No serious guitarist exists without a tube amp. Also, power is huge. Calculators and books have their purpose but academics only goes so far. I suppose a Stradivarius can be calculated to sound the same out of cardboard. And a '59 Gibson Les Paul out of plastic. Like Howard these guys are Brilliant. Professional musicians & access to their studios is far beyond the reach of most enthusiats.
JCKCPA 6 months ago
@JCKCPA Actually the perfect amp is solid state, because it can in theory reproduce sound perfectly with MUCH higher resolution and faster response than a tube amp. You are talking about altering the input signal with the amplifier. Especially distortion were because of the physics that govern them they create a more pleasant sound when they are overloaded.
Imprezaman555 6 months ago
I understand what there talking about. For me music is power and emotion.
I really love the tube sound. But unfortunately none of my friends and family
feel the same. So i never use them. The enjoyable time of my life is when i'm alone.
justjoe469 7 months ago
can I hook my MMF-5.1 MH to a parasound 2125 power amp? anyone. I need your expert advise, thanks
dungbeetleScat1 7 months ago in playlist Audiophilia-Land1
at 3:45, is that a custom made turntable or it actually is in production?? could someone tell me please! :)
mihailofsx 7 months ago
i like it how they spend huge amounts of money on gear and the listening rooms are untreated..not even basic acoustic treatment..
vdragos1 7 months ago
@vdragos1
Agreed ( I did notice some wooden diffusors in one of the rooms though )
The other thing that occurs to me is that a cutting lathe doesn't need all the suspension etc that these guys seem to rely on, maybe, just maybe, the fact they have spent a LOT of money on their equipment enhances what they hear ;-)
The fact they listen to vinyl with its limited bandwidth/dynamic range is very telling IMO
I wonder how they'd respond to a wider dynamic range ? ;-)
bluesman979 7 months ago
@bluesman979 it's all in perception. If your brain tells you there is a difference, you will hear a difference. Check out the The McGurk Effect.. similar but instead of relying on sight you rely on the high price = high quality.
vdragos1 7 months ago
@vdragos1
Working in the music industry I see exactly what you are saying ;-)
Ethan Winer talks a LOT of good sense and demonstrates what is real and more importantly *not* real here ...
w w w dot youtube dot com / watch ? v = BYTlN6wjcvQ (close the spaces and replace "dot" with a "." ;-) )
Shiny pebbles, or a $500 USB cable anyone ? ;-)
:-D
Peace ....
bluesman979 7 months ago
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@vdragos1
I just went and found them ....
They ain't shiny, they are "brilliant" pebbles :-P
h t t p : / / tinyurl dot com / genpe (close spaces and replace "dot with a "." ;-) )
Other than rattling in the jar at high SPLs they do nothing to enhance audio
They *ARE* brilliant however if you are selling a jar of pretty rocks for $129 (plus shipping )
There are a lot of people out there waiting to exploit the gullible-with-money-to-spend IMO ;-)
Peace ...
bluesman979 7 months ago
what suprises me is not that people spend 200 000 euro on analogue audio gear, but that some of them have wives/families that haven't left them yet. If you want to pursue some esoteric fantasy by yourself this is fine, reality being the tenuous entity that it is, but in a family other people have to live with you.
drez13 7 months ago
Wow that music is beautifully recorded. it makes you want to make better recordings!
nublackmusic 7 months ago
Some people spend over 100.000€ on a car. I wouldn`t call them crazy for spending that kind of money on music equipment.
Priorities... everyone has diffrent one.
Lorbera 7 months ago
God, I wish I could hear a song, any song, on one of those systems just to know what it sounds like.
CaptainJacksIsland 7 months ago
I'd love to hear a techno record on one of these systems! Bet all they listen to is classical music... ;). Love these eccentric guys though!
jacderida 8 months ago
@jacderida
Techno you can listen to your 100 dollar rig, I don`t think it`d sound much diffrent on those high end rigs.
Lorbera 7 months ago
@Lorbera hehe, I'm not so sure about that!
jacderida 7 months ago
Congrats on your sweet, sweet racket, all you high-end audio dealers.
alexmortland 8 months ago
Anyone who'd pay $15,000 for an RCA connector cable is somebody who deserves to pay $15,000 for an RCA connector cable.
alexmortland 8 months ago
really admire their passion in music.
good music make you happy, with proper equipment can travel you to heaven.
amdddr 8 months ago
Wow ! I saw the same carbon brush as me :-)...Good starting point lol
greggg34 8 months ago 5
ELECTRICITY IS 50% OF THE SOUND FOR ME
YOU KNOW THAT
EVERYBODY KNOW'S THAT
hahaha
MultimediaForFree 8 months ago 6
@MultimediaForFree i like this post. 50% lol prat
sixstringrock 8 months ago
@MultimediaForFree hahaha yeah! great!
anderzom 8 months ago
@MultimediaForFree ACTUALLY ITS NOT funny because clear electricity is very important . not only in audio system but in every kind of electronic machines. everything in factories is created to work on 230 V or 120 V if you give less or more the result will be worse ... that guy is right ... buying all that staff has sens only if u have well prepared room and clear electricity .
hubertholownia 2 months ago in playlist GREEK
@hubertholownia YOU HEAR GOOD SOUND
MultimediaForFree 2 months ago
@MultimediaForFree well, yes i do hear .
hubertholownia 2 months ago
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I have several tube amplifiers, because I played/performed professionally for
about a decade. My Fender Twin Reverb is greatly affected by
the power of where I plugged it in. Whether it be the the Palmer House, Knickerboker, Four Seasons, the Drake, InterContinental, or the Ritz
it was affected. We even measured it and the whole group agreed "black
and white". These guys are brilliant!
JCKCPA 8 months ago
I have several tube amplifiers, because I played/performed professionally for
about a decade. My Fender Twin Reverb is greatly affected by
the power of where I plugged it in. Whether it be the the Palmer House, Knickerboker, Four Seasons, the Drake, InterContinental, or the Ritz
it was affected. We even measured it and the whole group agreed "black
and white". These guy are brilliant!
JCKCPA 8 months ago
Down with iPod ,mp3 and todays instant music industry
thenoti1 8 months ago
What a load of bollox. You are worrying about the electricity when your room is not spectrum analysed and therefore the audio is bouncing like a mother all around your reflective walls and wooden furniture. Malages!!! It would have been cheaper to buy a neumann lathe whic made the vinyl in the first place. 375 rotations? No matter how much counter balance you have the friction from your diamond cut stylus is taking 0.067% volume from your vinyl as it is deteriorating every time you play it.
dabat 8 months ago
im an audiophile but this is too much lol
weeg91 8 months ago
Why invest $100,000 in a stereo system, only to place it in an untreated and acoustically poor room?
comperic2003 9 months ago 8
@comperic2003 You build the system for the room, not the room for the system
6gu7 8 months ago
@6gu7 You know what, you're absolutely right. They must have auditioned hundreds of speakers and assorted components to find the perfect combination that miraculously nullifies the majority of standing waves, modal ringing, flutter echo etc. I hope they never move, otherwise, they have to repeat the process all over again, right? Wrong. You're wrong and they are wrong.
comperic2003 8 months ago
@comperic2003 If you build your own componets, it's a hell of alot easier to tweak speakers, caps, tubes ect... than tearing out walls and ceilings just because you Purchased a new amp or speaker. Most people dont build, they buy. If you can not build, or at least tweak, your only option is to renovate the room to make a peice "WORK", or get rid of it and buy another,then another, then another.......
6gu7 8 months ago
@90krater: Look who's talking
hellinaras1 9 months ago
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thenoti1 9 months ago
are they crazy, or are 99.99% of the people out there missing out on something beautiful? hmmm.
great film ken barnes.
petp 9 months ago
@petp 99,99% are missing out on something...but then again, 99,99% cant afford $100 000+ systems.
derbigpr500 9 months ago
at 00:07 second i see the tonearm ...this is from SME series ...one of the best ...please tell me which model is turntable on 00:07 sec.
Shurbovi 9 months ago
it's an illness... they miss the basic point - the sound was recorded under very much dirty "real world" conditions of electricity and they try to play it back using their "clean" "technology"... they would have to create the sound recording themselves but I doubt it's achieveable by using standard equipment and electricity...
maiki60fps 9 months ago
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Fjord76 9 months ago 2
This passion is actually beyond listening to the music itself. Trying and changing equipment is a constant at this level.Happiness is short lived until they try something else...
richeguy1234 9 months ago 3
My life in 20 minutes end 10 seconds
Shurbovi 10 months ago 2
Perfectly normal people. And very interesting ones.
My system costs 40.000 EUR and I don`t regret a cent.
Better to buy such a system than an expensive car or a boat or such.
skakljivo 10 months ago 4
I am sure one of the enjoyments is watching the parts move and the tubes light up. By that I mean that the moving of the analog parts to produce a sound is mentally and visually appealing. There is this biker that passed away known as Indian Larry and his philosophy on building bikes is he wanted to see the gears move and wanted the wheels to be spoked wheels not carved blanks because he likes to see the moving parts on the bike. Same kind of philosophy here.
SupernautG 10 months ago
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Shurbovi 10 months ago
Greek people can be very passionate.
djs259 10 months ago
Καραγκιοζ μπερντε.
duckula7 11 months ago
The look at their Wives faces when Money spent on their Audio Equipment came up was just Legend!!! LOL...LOL..LOL!!!!
Migkiller1971 11 months ago 3
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Shurbovi 11 months ago
I admire their passion.
thedddemon 11 months ago 3
It is a beautiful madness. I have suffered from it, lifelong. I don't have these guys' budget, but I do understand, I do because I have wandered similar paths (though mine are backstreets or cobblestone instead of autobahns). I wonder though, and don't take this the wrong way because it is not a criticism - have you ever noticed how male centric this obsession is? Don't you find that curious?
123decoeli 11 months ago 3
5000 $ for used vintage system and good room...that's ALL you need for amazing sound reproduction.
thenoti1 11 months ago
All I know is my friend who records in a Studio here in the U.S. says
they pass the digital through a tube to smooth it out. Music is analogue
by definition. Tubes for ever! Actually these guys are very advanced.
Being an ex musican I will say my amp sounded far better in events where the
electricity was good. We measured it before playing.
JCKCPA 11 months ago
does anybody know the theme which starts at 14.40 ?
dadoo46 11 months ago
OMG I think I am slowly becoming one of this people! :(
Malangsufi 1 year ago
10:22 nice daughter
bmw123321 1 year ago
eat mouzaka,its better for you
nebula180 1 year ago
.A lot of narrow minded or artisticly''uninterested''people find this expression of investment in sound and music as over consumption.When you listen to music like this''open's''another window in your mind and it fill's you with a ''breeze'' of feelings and strong emotions.Words cannot describe it. You ought to yourself just even once to live it and feel it!
panosadgr1 1 year ago 2
Open your eyes guys!We in Greece we have some of the most organized audio societies in the world and also analogically to our population in comparison with other''audiophile countries''we have one of the largests audio markets and number of audiophilers.This show's our love in the art of music and our spiritual level.The investment in audio equipment is a translation and express of respect in one of the greatests arts!MUSIC
panosadgr1 1 year ago 2
why do they use turntables? I did not know recordes produce good music. Why not cd?
driftwood18hp 1 year ago
Crazy Greeks went out of money because they were all buying expensive hifi gear LOL
90krater 1 year ago 27
@90krater you dont even know what happened in my country and you dont have the right to talk about it. That was very offensive actually. MALAKA
ginalvsmusic 7 months ago
it wasnt meant in the offensive way
90krater 7 months ago
@90krater As a matter of fact Greeks didn't run out of money because they were all buying expensive hifi gear but because Germany and Italy didn't pay their war fees!
JTobaco 5 months ago in playlist Hardware & Music
@JTobaco you should make them pay. As for war fees I suggest you start with Turkey for taking Konstantinopolis :)
90krater 5 months ago
@90krater it's true! there is an understanding person in this video!
JTobaco 5 months ago
Bravo! My current favorite video/film on youtube!!! Music is king; great equipment to play it on, all the better.
70sgitbox 1 year ago
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There is a difference between buying a Ford and then buying Mercedes their is no proof that the human ear can hear the difference between a 500$ system and a million dollar system. These guys are pathetic losers that weren't good at anything in their lives except for buying really expensive audio equipment.
tokyozee 1 year ago
@tokyozee So a 500$sistem = 1 million $ system.
Is that what you're saying?
If you live in Germany, please come to my house. I've got 2 systems, one in my bedroom (~400 EUR) and one in my living room (~45,000 EUR). I know, it's not 1 million, but there is a huge huge difference, belive me. Like night and day.
:)
alinthebest 1 year ago
@alinthebest I am 100% sure if you did a blind test between a 45 000 dollar system and a 500-1000$ system you will not hear a difference. Your eyes deceive your ears.
tokyozee 1 year ago
Great video and interesting characters. It's a state of mind they're after. Even if the AC remains at 230V their brain is different from day to day which keeps them coming back.
451mnu 1 year ago
These Gentlemen are very impressive to me. Those who talk about
MP3s and even CDs are in a very different level. Those who don't understand
the sound of a tube amp or the difference between analog and digital especially
when instruments are analog to begin with. Those do don't know that even
in the recording studios Digital is ran through a tube to bring out softness and warmth. And I say this not in a IMHO way. Really.
Fantastic job!
John C. Kontos
Chicago
JCKCPA 1 year ago 27
@JCKCPA SSL mixing boards are widely respected as the best sounding piece of equipment. Solid State Logic, right ? I can cry hearin' Charlie Parker recorded on a shit mp3 ripped from a shitty 40s 78 rpm. Music is not about hearin' the difference between 22kh and 22,1khz...
SlikkTim 1 year ago
@SlikkTim When you hit a Piano key is it like hitting a switch? Or does the other
strings in the Piano vibrate slightly in a fluid way unlike the on or off of digital?
Forget about kh and khz for a moment. This is not Science and Math. This is about Music.
JCKCPA 10 months ago
@JCKCPA I played the piano for 8 years so I know what it feels like. And there is a ton of computer-usin' music that is every bit as much interesting. 100% of audiophiles are classical music snobs anyway.
SlikkTim 10 months ago 4
@SlikkTim i'm an audiophile, dickweed, and I listen to 90 % pure rock 'n' roll, made by guys with big fucking hard-ons who are skull-fucking chicks between solos. so i guess what i'm saying is: you don't know what you're talking about, so shut your shit-hole.
cootaloot 3 months ago
@cootaloot An audiophile listening to lo-fi music. How cute.
SlikkTim 3 months ago
@SlikkTim you have no idea what fidelity is, or where to find it. are careful recordings that preserve a musical event confined to only certain kinds of music? is that what you're saying? that's moronic. high fidelity recordings are widespread in every genre, including rock and pop. and while they sound just fine, or at least serviceable, on a computer, they can make your hair stand up on a good system. you really have no idea what you're talking about, which is what I find cute
cootaloot 3 months ago 7
@cootaloot Do you kiss your mom with that mouth?
bcdhifi 2 months ago
@JCKCPA
Tubes will NEVER DIE! Vacuum Tubes 4 life \m/!
skarbu 1 year ago 2
@JCKCPA So the digital(?) is run through a tube???? What does that mean? In a recording studio the sound comes from the mic to a pre-amp then usually an ADC, do you mean it is run through a tube before the ADC or that the the digital signal from the adc is put through a dac then through a tube and then adc again? The latter would be a very poor option. And by the way CDs can sound very VERY good if mastered properly, but the mastering process can also ruin it.
Imprezaman555 1 year ago
@Imprezaman555 Simple thing, generally the best mic pre-amps are tube pre-amps, does that answer your question where the tubes are involved in the chain before going digital?
dvamateur 11 months ago
@dvamateur My Marshall Plexi has tubes in it...and my guitar sounds pretty mean.
MastodonDR 11 months ago
@JCKCPA , What you say mostly makes sense but I disagree about them being "impressive".
nastied 8 months ago
@JCKCPA Whole world is analog and yet You are watching movies recorded by digital camera, recorded on digital disc and played via digital player on digital screen. And it looks much better than it was in 'analog times'. And it's no different with sound. Tube amp? Yes, they _DISTORT_ sound in nice way, especially when lamps are almost in overdrive. But it's still distorion of original sound. That's why when you need clear and perfect sound you stick with high quality AA class transistor amp.
DrStorm81 7 months ago
Well done by that guy. Altough im glad im satisfied with listening to normal mp3's. :)
Alzorthegreat 1 year ago
I hate how wifes wouldn't mind spending 30.000 on a car, or design furniture, or jewlery, but when the guy spends it on a stereo system they get upset and angry cause they think it's stupid, but the guy is chasing a dream you know what i mean?
Your stereo isn't just matter, it can take you to very high states of mind exploring emotion and this is priceless!!
HASHEAVEN 1 year ago
@mchlor
You have obviously never heard a high quality audio system. Listening to mp3's certainly is boring because the emotion of the music is lost.
jgfergus 1 year ago
@jgfergus -_- a 320kbps mp3 is WELL damn good enough for listening to music on a high quality stereo, also, remember cd's come at 16 bit/44.1khz. In other words any stereo can output it losslessly and the only difference of the expensive stereo is of course the volume the speakers can reach, or it'll sound better if you were on a cheap as fuck stereo beforehand.
sneaker177 1 year ago
@sneaker177 you are a complete ignorant. Please don´t talk.
ojeteculaid 1 year ago
@ojeteculaid Completely ignorant*. No, i'm not. The idea is, unless the audio's compressed to 128kbps or less, the quality difference is virtually un-noticeable. There are exceptions when you can tell the difference between a cd OR vinyl, and that's when you hear audio that's been DIGITALLY recorded at a studio and been compressed to 24 bit/192khz audio. So no, I'm not ignorant. Another thing for jgfergus. There is no audible difference between a 320kbps mp3 and a cd/vinyl, none whatsoever.
sneaker177 1 year ago
@sneaker177 "Compessed" to 24bit/192kHz? Are you out of your mind? There shouldn't be ANY compression involved in digitizing to 24/bit/192KHz. MPEG-1, MPEG-4, these are compression algorithms that are NOT present on a CD quality or SA-CD quality discs.
dvamateur 11 months ago
@dvamateur Well I'm not sure if they could possibly record at higher quality than that, so I said compressed. Anyway, you understand that 24/192 and all that sound much better.
sneaker177 11 months ago
@ojeteculaid So yeah, basically what you two are very vulnerable to is the placebo effect. If you spend 1k on an audio system, it'll sound just as good, QUALITY wise, compared to a 20k system. All these terms such as "warmth" and "clarity" ect, are marketing techniques. Good speakers are good. High quality audio is high quality audio. If it's off a freaking cd at 16bit/44.1khz you can't really say OMG QUALITY. Because 24/96 or 24/192 sounds MUCH better. -_-
sneaker177 1 year ago
all that work just to play one vinyl plater.
ricohorton 1 year ago
@mchlor you dick head..........its the music you listen to
corradosexy 1 year ago
bunch of ignorant posts around here really...hey its their money and they can do whatever the fuck they want to do with it, just like the guy said, some folks buy a mercedes or whatever. buying this expensive equipment doesn't make you crazy...they are realy extremely fanatical about but like i said, its their money.
artoficial 1 year ago
I love this.
they are the sanest people I know.
johnbarleycornmd 1 year ago
great dockumentary.
LOTS OF STUPID PEOPLE FIGHTING OVER THEIR PERSONAL,SUBJECTIVE POINT OF OPINION
stupid people....
sotool76 1 year ago
yeah these kind of people is what ultra-high end audio industry thrives on. you can get the same sound without the flashy looks and a whole lot less money but these guys dont believe it. you can show them and prove them that they dont need the high-end gear but THEY JUST WONT BELIEVE IT.
888ddd888 1 year ago
All of these people suffer from a very serious case of TTM (TOO MUCH MONEY). Does anyone actually believe that these clowns enjoy listening to music. They can't, all they can do is sit an anyalyze the short comings of their audio systems.
SICK, SICK, SICK and I feel both sympathy and contempt for them.
High end audio retailers sell nothing but insecurity to these suckers.
stompinthom 1 year ago
To all you Greeks, I understand your disease!!! I have it too. But I limit myself to 2000 to 3000$ Canadian per year, no more
chris14091975 1 year ago
Terrific !
I wouldn't spend as much money but I understand these people. The sound is so much beautiful, even after it was encoded in flash.
It's more than music, it's an experience.
confidz 1 year ago
That's all well and good...but no matter how much you spend on stereo....it can only be as good as the original recording........and recordings these days are rubbish.......it's designed for shitty radios and car stereos and to be as loud as possible with no dynamic range.........and for ipods as convenience music ......like microwave meals..........you just get themusic but you don't get the quality.........it's recorded to be similar and to be as loud as the advertisements that follow it...
jumpingjackplank 1 year ago
i reckon your better off going the DIY route ....save yourself 90% of the cost and get a better sound....no R&D ...marketing .....middlemen and all that bullshit......
jumpingjackplank 1 year ago
It's Connie Huq from 'Blue Peter', at 6:49.
bugstrut 1 year ago
Beautiful film, full of beautiful people. Thanks!
Mysticum81 1 year ago
This is the only hobby where people try to reduce everything to nothing. It all sounds the same, and blah blah blah--all coming from people with zero listening experience and plenty of erroneous pre-conceived notions. Go listen before pontificating nonsense. As for double blind tests, they are great for drug trials but for audio listening? Less so. Experienced listeners know better than to be fooled by face plate colors and other supposed causes of claimed audible differences.
analogcorner 1 year ago
The signal is not going to "know" anything. Your ears are. The signal is going to behave differently. If you have the same car going to the same destination using different paths, one that has better conditions than the other, which one will reach the place in optimum condition? I know what your point is, you CAN do terrific things without spending lots of money on esoteric gear, but chances are that you'll end with better results if you use good gear, usually expensive one.
darknetzulu 1 year ago
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darknetzulu 1 year ago
@SirBobHaulk In a studio there are A LOT of things to compare that can refuse your theory that "a watt is a watt" or "every amp sounds the same".....Compare a Neumann tube mic, with a similar one that costs 2000$ less. Try a cheap Preamp and a decent preamp. Try a cheap console and compare it to a SSL Console. If there's no sense in the result, the whole audio world is nuts.
darknetzulu 1 year ago
@darknetzulu the whole audio world is nuts. You won't be able to tell the amps apart in a blind test, no one can
SirBobHaulk 1 year ago
@SirBobHaulk Based on your expertise, there's no reason to expend thousands of dollars in a NEVE Preamp for your studio for example, since it sounds as good as a Radio Shack Preamp? Come on! If you have serious sense of audio knowledge you got to admit that audio signals are just that, ELECTRIC SIGNALS, and everything that can help to achieve a better connection, transport, or performance HAS AN IMPACT OVER QUALITY!
darknetzulu 1 year ago
@darknetzulu Well i've twenty years experience and i can tell you there is no reason to spend all that money on an amp. Zappa used a Nad amp and a pair of jbl speakers. Tell me how am audio signal is gonna know if it's a cheap amp or a dear one,how a cd knows it's zero's and one's are being read by a dear cd player. Mostly when talking with audiofools i find not one of them can explain the physics behind why they think one watt is different from another watt.
SirBobHaulk 1 year ago
@SirBobHaulk I also respect your experience. Having said this, i will recall some opinion from Brian Eno, a very known musician/producer/engineer. He once said that he has been on budget studios with the weirdest combination of unusual gear and questionable acoustic treatments that sounds like heaven, and the counterpart, he also has been at high end studios loaded with expensive gear and nice acoustic designs that sounds like crap...
darknetzulu 1 year ago
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@SirBobHaulk I also respect your experience. Having said this, i will recall some opinion from Brian Eno, a very known musician/producer/engineer. He once said that he has been on budget studios with the weirdest combination of unusual gear and questionable acoustic treatments that sounds like heaven, and the counterpart, he also has been at high end studios loaded with expensive gear and nice acoustic designs that sounds like crap...
darknetzulu 1 year ago
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jimg0007 1 year ago
Just a dream...
1968misu 1 year ago
to be honest i want to be like them but dress cooler!!!!!
TOMKCITYABBEY 1 year ago
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SonicNeary 1 year ago
This is brilliant cinematography. 5:04 - 5:32 with the numbers and then this is my favorite 5:32 "We're not normal".
13:27 beautiful shot.
Ken Barnes is a gifted film artist. If you are him, could you tell me what are their favorite musicians? Did you ever ask them?
Wcoltd 1 year ago
@Wcoltd I recommend Citizen Kane. Authentic cinema.
SonicNeary 1 year ago