lennox got all of tysons beaten leftovers botha,tucker,ruddock.then got a finished tyson who didnt care or train properly but lewis still is an all time great im scottish or from the uk but a 22 yr old tyson kos any lennox lewis.
I think Lewis vs Bowe would be a great fight. I believe Lewis would knock him out, but then again Bowe could put up a good fight. But Bowe had no balls, unfortunately. Lewis got tired of calling him out, and Bowe, smartly call Lewis out 5 years after his retirement..
Bowe from Holyfield I v Lewis would have been a great fight. Not sure about the assessment that Lewis would have surely knocked him out though. Not with Lewis taking rounds off at least.
Ruddock my not be at his best after two gruelling fights with Tyson, but to say he is absolutely finished is a lie. Another very "American" reason to take away something from Lewis. Ruddock did KO Phil Jackson and Greg Page before this bout. Ruddock was finished after this fight though.
@expressivechild Ruddock was finished after back to back losses vs Tyson. Even against Jackson he took unnecessary punches. According to Wikipedia Ruddock holds a win over Lewis in the Olympics, never got off here though.
Look, the American public never took to or respected Lewis, don't know why. He was top dog. Personally, I never cared for him, I liked Bruno..the Brits seemed to turn from Frankie and embrace this Canadian as one of their own?
@09Brant ~ Well, in the full video of Ruddock - Lewis, they mention Lewis did lost to Ruddock in the Olympics. And that was Lewis' first amateur loss. He was 15 then, challenging an 18 year old Ruddock because he was too dominant and has no competition. People say Ruddock if "finished" after Tyson, but no one bothers mentioning that when he fought Morrison? Yet, people often talk about Morrison "big win" over Ruddock yet Lewis who fought a better version of Ruddock gets dissed? (continue)
@09Brant ~ When Lewis beat Tua, American media called it a boring fight. When he beat Holyfield and got robbed, they say Lewis "disappointingly didn't knock Holyfield out". Lewis went to Canada at 12, but chose Britain to turn pro. If that's no patriotism I don't know what is. Still, people claimed he was "not British". Big Frank said that too. After all, anyone would be lying to say Bruno is any better a fighter than Lewis. Its a shame how some Brits choose to discredit him... (continue)
@09Brant ~ Look at it this way, which other British born boxer have achieved so much in American soil and dominated an era where American heavyweights rule just as the previous eras? He won Gold for Canada because he had to follow his mother, so what's the deal? Its a shame, how people have to wrongfully diss someone without first knowing the facts,,
@expressivechild My man, I never like him, and you're right - it is a shame that he never got over with the American public. But I think Bruno said in his book, that He was a "Canadian hiding behind the UK Flag".
Bruno was schooling Lewis until he got gassed. And I find it just as disturbing that the Brits forgot about Frankie and embraced Lewis. You are right however, no other British boxer acheived as much as Lewis did. He will go down in history, as he should. We just never cared for him.
@expressivechild True, but he was at his best before the Tyson fights. Mike Tyson was the beginning of the end for Ruddock and Lennox Lewis was essentially the end for him he wasn't the same after that clearly...
Ruddock was finished at this stage..after suffering horrific loss second time to Mike Tyson ..broken jaw..three broken ribs..broken coller bone, no fighter gets over a fight or damage like that..never....
IMO Lennox is being one of the more dominant HW ever, I would've liked to see him KO Bowe, but he was such a chicken that rather threw the WBC belt in the trash than fight him...
Try your records in the last 50 years, when things were a lot more competitive. You can remove the 5 gold from 1908. Canada wasn't even fully independent back then. You have 2-1 for Britain in that time frame and a lot more silver and bronze for Canada in that time frame. Again name calling and insults....sign of losing a debate. Lewis is British-Canadian and trained in Canada. He does have Canadian citizenship.
And World Champs. Are you making an equal comparison? Are you comparing Undisputed vs. Undisputed or Undisputed vs. Holding Various versions of world titles?
and he didn't learn, he was a natural. blessed with the physique and talent. even if stayed in england he still would have been a great as canada is not exactly renowned for boxing is it? haha loser
England not renowned for boxing either. I guessed he would have won all of his bouts with no training or coaching from your first line? You can't be serious? Yes he was born and raised in England, but learned his craft in Canada and should share the recognition. If he were so British, why did he not represent Britain in either of his two Olympics....he had that option. The Brits should be offended by that as much. And, name calling is a sign of someone who has either lost or is losing a debate.
What great history is that? Compare world champs and Olympic results and you will find no superiority either way. You make patriotic sound like something bad? He should be honouring both countries like Ruddock did, Jamaica and Canada. But, he chose the Canadian coaches and stayed with them even at an age where he could make the choice.
Undiputed British Champs-Bob Fitzsimmons, David Haye, Joe Calzaghe, Randy Turpin, Alan Minter, Lloyd Honeyghan-6 British. Canada-Tommy Burns, Jimmy McLarnin, George Dixon (two weight classes). Lewis is shared...he learned is craft in Canada and is a Canadian citizen as well as a British subject, and is the best on the list. He had the option to compete for the U.K. at either Olympics, but chose not to. Sam Langford who was not given a title shot should also be recognized as a great.
England did not have 7 undisputed heavyweigh champs....they had 2. Lennox who is shared with Canada and Bob Fitzsimmons. I knew you were comparing Canada's undisputed vs. England's any version of the title counts. hardly a fair comparison. If you want to include any version of the belt, Canada has Tommy Burns and Trevor Berbick along with sharing Lennox Lewis. Afterall it was Canadian tax dollars that funded much of his training and his two Olympics.
Exactly where I got my information... eats your own words....just proved my point of those who name call and use insults shows signs of losing a debate. None of the information I showed was inaccurate. You compared British Heavyweight any version of the belt including WBO vs. Canadian undisputed.
@superdave198 If you knew anything you'd know that Fitzsimmons was only born in England (Cornwall acutally, who consider themselves separately) and grew up mostly in New Zealand. So if what you say is right then England basically had no HW champs, right? Or maybe you're just pedantic as hell and need to get a life.
@sergelapelle Not pedantic, just looking for fair comparison. Comparing having one/quarter of the belts to being undisputed is not a fair comparison. If Bob Fitzsimmons learned his trade in N.Z. he does owe them some loyalty as well. In that case I am saying Britain had no H.W. champs that were 100% theirs and either does Canada. Britain-two shared and Canada-one shared. Again, insults are only signs of those who are losing a debate and run out of facts with substance.
Being an Irish-Canadian...I am disgusted by Lewis' entrance to God Save the Queen! At least Ruddock respected the new country that adopted him and made him! Canada made Lewis not the U.K.!
and he didn't learn, he was a natural. blessed with the physique and talent. even if he stayed in england he still would have been a great as canada is not exactly renowned for boxing is it? haha loser
u think the english coaches couldn't teach him just as well if not better? don't make me laugh u ignoramus patriot idiot.
and he didn't learn, he was a natural. blessed with the physique and talent. even if he stayed in england he still would have been a great as canada is not exactly renowned for boxing is it? haha loser
u think the english coaches couldn't teach him just as well if not better? don't make me laugh u ignoramus patriot idiot.
and he didn't learn, he was a natural. blessed with the physique and talent. even if he stayed in england he still would have been a great as canada is not exactly renowned for boxing is it? haha loser
u think the english coaches couldn't teach him just as well if not better? don't make me laugh u ignoramus patriot idiot.
6:26 the fight starts here :)
sufianansari7 1 week ago
I've got no idea why Bowe would duck Lewis, especially in 1993, Bowe was much better.
MacHoodio 1 month ago
Is this Floyd Patterson at the beginning in Ruddocks corner ?
DranzieBooy 2 months ago
@DranzieBooy Yes, Floyd Patterson was Ruddock's trainer.
badcomicbook 2 months ago
Lennox frighted the crap out of all the heavyweights including Tyson and Bowe at their best. They all ducked him even Tyson paid him off at one time.
richardjohnson909 3 months ago
lennox got all of tysons beaten leftovers botha,tucker,ruddock.then got a finished tyson who didnt care or train properly but lewis still is an all time great im scottish or from the uk but a 22 yr old tyson kos any lennox lewis.
jimpurdie 5 months ago
razor could of done better than haye
technicolor9 8 months ago
I think Lewis vs Bowe would be a great fight. I believe Lewis would knock him out, but then again Bowe could put up a good fight. But Bowe had no balls, unfortunately. Lewis got tired of calling him out, and Bowe, smartly call Lewis out 5 years after his retirement..
expressivechild 10 months ago
Bowe from Holyfield I v Lewis would have been a great fight. Not sure about the assessment that Lewis would have surely knocked him out though. Not with Lewis taking rounds off at least.
JackassHill 10 months ago
Ruddock my not be at his best after two gruelling fights with Tyson, but to say he is absolutely finished is a lie. Another very "American" reason to take away something from Lewis. Ruddock did KO Phil Jackson and Greg Page before this bout. Ruddock was finished after this fight though.
expressivechild 11 months ago 3
@expressivechild Ruddock was finished after back to back losses vs Tyson. Even against Jackson he took unnecessary punches. According to Wikipedia Ruddock holds a win over Lewis in the Olympics, never got off here though.
Look, the American public never took to or respected Lewis, don't know why. He was top dog. Personally, I never cared for him, I liked Bruno..the Brits seemed to turn from Frankie and embrace this Canadian as one of their own?
09Brant 6 months ago
@09Brant ~ Well, in the full video of Ruddock - Lewis, they mention Lewis did lost to Ruddock in the Olympics. And that was Lewis' first amateur loss. He was 15 then, challenging an 18 year old Ruddock because he was too dominant and has no competition. People say Ruddock if "finished" after Tyson, but no one bothers mentioning that when he fought Morrison? Yet, people often talk about Morrison "big win" over Ruddock yet Lewis who fought a better version of Ruddock gets dissed? (continue)
expressivechild 6 months ago
@09Brant ~ When Lewis beat Tua, American media called it a boring fight. When he beat Holyfield and got robbed, they say Lewis "disappointingly didn't knock Holyfield out". Lewis went to Canada at 12, but chose Britain to turn pro. If that's no patriotism I don't know what is. Still, people claimed he was "not British". Big Frank said that too. After all, anyone would be lying to say Bruno is any better a fighter than Lewis. Its a shame how some Brits choose to discredit him... (continue)
expressivechild 6 months ago
@09Brant ~ Look at it this way, which other British born boxer have achieved so much in American soil and dominated an era where American heavyweights rule just as the previous eras? He won Gold for Canada because he had to follow his mother, so what's the deal? Its a shame, how people have to wrongfully diss someone without first knowing the facts,,
expressivechild 6 months ago
@expressivechild My man, I never like him, and you're right - it is a shame that he never got over with the American public. But I think Bruno said in his book, that He was a "Canadian hiding behind the UK Flag".
Bruno was schooling Lewis until he got gassed. And I find it just as disturbing that the Brits forgot about Frankie and embraced Lewis. You are right however, no other British boxer acheived as much as Lewis did. He will go down in history, as he should. We just never cared for him.
09Brant 6 months ago
@expressivechild True, but he was at his best before the Tyson fights. Mike Tyson was the beginning of the end for Ruddock and Lennox Lewis was essentially the end for him he wasn't the same after that clearly...
truebeliever786 1 week ago
Ruddock was finished at this stage..after suffering horrific loss second time to Mike Tyson ..broken jaw..three broken ribs..broken coller bone, no fighter gets over a fight or damage like that..never....
apollonas101 1 year ago 2
IMO Lennox is being one of the more dominant HW ever, I would've liked to see him KO Bowe, but he was such a chicken that rather threw the WBC belt in the trash than fight him...
chifuli1974 1 year ago 5
@chifuli1974 my man i really wanted to see that fight as well........i think Bowe was scared too!
MrEddyb68 5 months ago
Berbick was never an undisputed champ. And did he represent or was funded by Jamaica ?
superdave198 1 year ago
Thanks for recogizing fair comparison....Cheers!
superdave198 1 year ago
"I kicked down the door tonight"
latinoish37 1 year ago
Try your records in the last 50 years, when things were a lot more competitive. You can remove the 5 gold from 1908. Canada wasn't even fully independent back then. You have 2-1 for Britain in that time frame and a lot more silver and bronze for Canada in that time frame. Again name calling and insults....sign of losing a debate. Lewis is British-Canadian and trained in Canada. He does have Canadian citizenship.
superdave198 1 year ago
canada's olympic boxing history
gold 3 silver 7 bronze 7 total 17
SUCKS!
british olympic boxing medal history
gold 14 silver 12 bronze 23 total 49 ranked 5
what were u saying little man?
canada sucks and lewis is british, get over it!
marxistsoldier 1 year ago
And World Champs. Are you making an equal comparison? Are you comparing Undisputed vs. Undisputed or Undisputed vs. Holding Various versions of world titles?
superdave198 1 year ago
and he didn't learn, he was a natural. blessed with the physique and talent. even if stayed in england he still would have been a great as canada is not exactly renowned for boxing is it? haha loser
marxistsoldier 1 year ago
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superdave198 1 year ago
England not renowned for boxing either. I guessed he would have won all of his bouts with no training or coaching from your first line? You can't be serious? Yes he was born and raised in England, but learned his craft in Canada and should share the recognition. If he were so British, why did he not represent Britain in either of his two Olympics....he had that option. The Brits should be offended by that as much. And, name calling is a sign of someone who has either lost or is losing a debate.
superdave198 1 year ago
we have a better history in boxing than canada, that's for sure.
i'm saying he was naturally talented and he would have reached the same level with english coaching. there are very good coaches in this country.
as for being offended, no, i'm not a stupid patriotic nationalist like u. i just appreciate that he is a true great and born in england.
marxistsoldier 1 year ago
What great history is that? Compare world champs and Olympic results and you will find no superiority either way. You make patriotic sound like something bad? He should be honouring both countries like Ruddock did, Jamaica and Canada. But, he chose the Canadian coaches and stayed with them even at an age where he could make the choice.
superdave198 1 year ago
@superdave198 look at the list of heavyweight boxing champions on wikipedia
everyone knows england had 7 and canada had 1
marxistsoldier 1 year ago
Undiputed British Champs-Bob Fitzsimmons, David Haye, Joe Calzaghe, Randy Turpin, Alan Minter, Lloyd Honeyghan-6 British. Canada-Tommy Burns, Jimmy McLarnin, George Dixon (two weight classes). Lewis is shared...he learned is craft in Canada and is a Canadian citizen as well as a British subject, and is the best on the list. He had the option to compete for the U.K. at either Olympics, but chose not to. Sam Langford who was not given a title shot should also be recognized as a great.
superdave198 1 year ago
England did not have 7 undisputed heavyweigh champs....they had 2. Lennox who is shared with Canada and Bob Fitzsimmons. I knew you were comparing Canada's undisputed vs. England's any version of the title counts. hardly a fair comparison. If you want to include any version of the belt, Canada has Tommy Burns and Trevor Berbick along with sharing Lennox Lewis. Afterall it was Canadian tax dollars that funded much of his training and his two Olympics.
superdave198 1 year ago
ur a retard, read the history on wikip
marxistsoldier 1 year ago
Exactly where I got my information... eats your own words....just proved my point of those who name call and use insults shows signs of losing a debate. None of the information I showed was inaccurate. You compared British Heavyweight any version of the belt including WBO vs. Canadian undisputed.
superdave198 1 year ago
@superdave198 absolutely
themooddisorders 1 year ago
@superdave198 If you put it that way then canada shared Berbick with Jamaca then
farrell360 1 year ago
@superdave198 If you knew anything you'd know that Fitzsimmons was only born in England (Cornwall acutally, who consider themselves separately) and grew up mostly in New Zealand. So if what you say is right then England basically had no HW champs, right? Or maybe you're just pedantic as hell and need to get a life.
sergelapelle 1 year ago
@sergelapelle Not pedantic, just looking for fair comparison. Comparing having one/quarter of the belts to being undisputed is not a fair comparison. If Bob Fitzsimmons learned his trade in N.Z. he does owe them some loyalty as well. In that case I am saying Britain had no H.W. champs that were 100% theirs and either does Canada. Britain-two shared and Canada-one shared. Again, insults are only signs of those who are losing a debate and run out of facts with substance.
superdave198 1 year ago
lol lewis probably did that because they were fighting in england.
jjosephdubya 2 years ago
Being an Irish-Canadian...I am disgusted by Lewis' entrance to God Save the Queen! At least Ruddock respected the new country that adopted him and made him! Canada made Lewis not the U.K.!
superdave198 2 years ago
@superdave198 shut the fuck up...
nddavi58 2 years ago
What are you so upset about? No need to curse and swear. In fact, resorting to those tactics is a sign of one who has lost a debate.
superdave198 2 years ago
canada didnt make lewis. he didnt move to canada until the age of 12
marxistsoldier 1 year ago
canada didnt make lewis. he didnt move to canada until the age of 12
marxistsoldier 1 year ago
canada didnt make lewis. he didnt move to canada until the age of 12. he was born and raised in england.
u lose!
marxistsoldier 1 year ago
canada didnt make lewis. he didnt move to canada until the age of 12. he was born and raised in england.
u lose!
marxistsoldier 1 year ago
canada didnt make lewis. he didnt move to canada until the age of 12. he was born and raised in england.
u lose!
marxistsoldier 1 year ago
So what you are saying is that all of his boxing skill that took him to the Gold Medal and beyond was learned in England prior to 12 years of age?
superdave198 1 year ago
no, i'm saying he is english. born and raised.
marxistsoldier 1 year ago
no i'm saying he is english, born and raised.
and he didn't learn, he was a natural. blessed with the physique and talent. even if he stayed in england he still would have been a great as canada is not exactly renowned for boxing is it? haha loser
u think the english coaches couldn't teach him just as well if not better? don't make me laugh u ignoramus patriot idiot.
marxistsoldier 1 year ago
no i'm saying he is english, born and raised.
and he didn't learn, he was a natural. blessed with the physique and talent. even if he stayed in england he still would have been a great as canada is not exactly renowned for boxing is it? haha loser
u think the english coaches couldn't teach him just as well if not better? don't make me laugh u ignoramus patriot idiot.
marxistsoldier 1 year ago
no i'm saying he is english, born and raised.
and he didn't learn, he was a natural. blessed with the physique and talent. even if he stayed in england he still would have been a great as canada is not exactly renowned for boxing is it? haha loser
u think the english coaches couldn't teach him just as well if not better? don't make me laugh u ignoramus patriot idiot.
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@superdave198 there have been 7 world heavyweight champions from england. how many from canada? 1 and that was 1906. canada sucks!
marxistsoldier 1 year ago