Fully Charged | Peugeot 3008 diesel hybrid | episode 29

[tommo9]

It's called an 'exhaust.'

[toyotaprius79]

Isn't the 3008 the same as the new Citroen DS5h? If so, WOW!! DS5h PREVIEW!!!

[sparkygl0s]

I don't like all this talk of a plug-in hybrid doing 100mpg, or whatever. Basically its doing 40 miles on no fuel, and then 60 miles on the next gallon. What you get as a combination depends on how its used. If you only do 30 miles a day it will do infinity mpg. On the other hand it you drive from London to Athens, you'll run out of electricity half way to Dover, and you'll basically be driving a Diesel thereafter.

[XitUp]

Something I'd be interested in is how long the DPF would hold up if they engine isn't being used much.

There are already reports of them failing due to not being recharged enough via 'italian tune up' and I can only imagine it would be worse in a hybrid.

[sadragne1]

Hydrogen is purely a means of transferring energy in the same way a battery stores electricity - what matters is how its produced. Because extracting and storing hydrogen is a very energy intensive process I wouldnt be surprised if that Honda Clarity is worse for the environment than 7L Cobra when you include the entire CO2 cycle.

BUT Hydrogen cells can store a great deal more energy than battery packs can at present, so its essential manufacturers try EVERYTHING possible to see what works

[roidroid]

11:01 the only way i can transcribe in text the noise you just made is this: ◕ヮ◕

[TerraRoot]

hydrogen needs a distributing network, which the oil company's would love since they don't like anybody else having a monopoly/control.

[msyin9]

Interesting development and even more interesting tidbit about hydrogen coming from oil companies. It makes the hype over it make more sense, though your uses for it would be immediately viable outside of cars and I hope they are doing something to develop the batteries for those industries and uses until it can become viable for cars. In the mean time, electric cars are coming out much faster to market and I believe more and more people are looking to them for their next car. I am.

[ojdavies147]

Sounds like the gearbox is similar to one of those terrible early tiptronic systems with some sort of robotic clutch and gear shift attached to a manual box, they are never very good!

[Hirotoro4692]

@ojdavies147 hmph. i have one of those.

[SquareoftheyearFM]

Love how they speak to you like you're a complete idiot. Do they not take some time to work out who will be test driving the cars?

[paulwesterberg]

I always thought the 308 hybrid looked a lot sexier, but it is good to see them get the drive-train working well.

The plug-in version sounds fantastic, I hope they don't make GM's mistake and oversize the range extender.

[adric22]

I agree hydrogen is a scam intended to take the consumer's eye off of electric vehicles. And the oil companies win either way because even if the car companies manage to produce them at a good price, we still get our hydrogen from Exxon Mobile. But fuel cells have a great future in many other aspects and someday it may be possible to use them in cars, but not now. Also hydrogen is very expensive, so where is the incentive for consumers to switch?

[Jesus45U]

@adric22

I reckon the main incentive is the flexibility, the range and the relative ease of use.

All of which should not be underestimated.

[TBman256]

if this is peugot uk, why is the driver's seat on the other side?

[gio70v]

@TBman256 

Probably Peugeot didnt have a British model (they are at pre-production stage), and gave him to test a car made for (and aimed at) the European market, where the steering wheel is on the left and people drive on the right.

[LUK0BA]

@gio70v I was wondering if in UK they allow left hand drive?

[1997seanmac]

at last!



[DingoBabyEat]

These are matters of substance, Mrs Candlewick. You're opinions, though amusing, are of no service in the company of men. I will not warn you a second time.

[RobRichmondRPG]

How much internal wear incurs to this diesel engine with it's frequent start & stopping? And why bother with pure hydrogen when ammonia fuel could be used more economically and efficiently, it's drawbacks could be solved with today's technology.

[Jesus45U]

As a primary source of energy, Hydrogen does not make much sense, since it takes more energy to produce than it gives off. But if you have a nice and windy day and a big windmill farm makes more electricity than is being consumed, make hydrogen ! Use it as a battery.

Then you can use it in a powerplant to help weather times when there's no wind, or in peak consumtion hours when more is consumed than produced.

The Peugeot looked nice, and will probably serve well as a transition period vehicle.

[grungerman]

@Jesus45U why not use batteries as batteries! There have been suggestions that if there were large numbers of EVs plugged in at any given time, during peak demand each battery could drop from 100 to 98% to release stored excess wind/solar etc.

[Jesus45U]

@grungerman

I was thinking long term storage ... such as saving energy from autmn storms for the winter heating ... that's several months of storage at least, and once you get into such durations, ordinary batteries start to loose power. But yes, for short term, deep cycle batteries are probably still the best.

[grungerman]

@Jesus45U ah ok I see. In that case I suppose hydrogen production would be useful. I have also heard of high temperature molten salt "batteries" that efficiently store heat for later use. Or I suppose community heating via water/molten salt/something else being pumped around under people's houses/roads is a possibility, but of course that only really applies in cold regions, i.e. Scandinavia where it's already used. Difficult problem!

[Jesus45U]

@grungerman

You can also use regular water to hold heat.

I've seen a house which used the sunshine to heat up a large water tank inside the house, and then it would shed heat in the night as the house cooled down. Pretty ingenious way to do it. Offcourse, it required some huge highlight windows, which lets out more heat than a normal roof would, so it wasn't perfect.

But, maybe you could make the heating apparatus outside, and then cycle the water inside the radiators, during night.

[Jesus45U]

@grungerman

Offcourse, what you are are propably thinking of is using the waste heat from the powerplant to heat houses with, by heating oil and then send it out to houses where it goes trough a heat exchanger and the warmed water from the heat exchanger is then cycles trough the radiators.

Yeah, I've lived with that, it works, but you also loose a lot of heat in the hot oil pipes - Still, it's a nice way to make a powerplant more effective.

[XitUp]

@Jesus45U Hydrogen is pretty hard/expensive to store.

[Jesus45U]

@XitUp

Not really ... a big low pressure tank will do it, and those are easy to make.

[XitUp]

@Jesus45U But it evaporates out.

[Jesus45U]

@XitUp

That does take an awful long time though.

[toppledgod]

I wish the woman in the back was in the front. She had more interesting things to say and is much more pleasing on the eye.

[VideoTimChannel]

Damn predictive text.

[VideoTimChannel]

@twelvebears1971 I believe the thinking on the biofyels line is that engineers are working towards a straight replacement "green" petrol with 3rd generation fuels. As such, there won't be any need for new engine technology.

The trick is making it all affordable - which is why engine efficiency is being targeted; biofuels are more expensive.

[twelvebears1971]

@VideoTimChannel Agreed, or at least not much cheaper. Though at least with WVO biodiesel at least it is true recycling and carbon neutral. Of course the energy and land demands of producing crops JUST for biofuel really don't stack up, especially with the increasing need to use viable land for food production. Until I can afford a true hybrid, I'm just focusing on he improvements driving style can make to fuel economy.

[radu0gheorghe]

Brilliant, Robert! I really enjoy your show a lot! Very informative and a bit entertaining as well :)

[twelvebears1971]

The points you make about the 'solution' being a blend of different technology and techniques is a good one. As Fully Charged's strap-line is now 'The Future of Energy', perhaps an occasional feature on other energy topics would be good. One of interest to me is why car companies don't want to support the use of high % biofuels in their cars, not even when commercially produced to high standards (and I'm really thinking from WVO sources here).

[XitUp]

@twelvebears1971 Because VO is thicker than diesel and will damage a new diesel engine pretty quickly. It's fine on older engines, but they can't meet emissions standards.

[twelvebears1971]

@XitUp Biodiesel is not VO. Pure VO, yes of course that can't be used in modern CR diesels, but WVO biodiesel is fully reacted oil and has a viscosity to traditional diesel.

[XitUp]

@twelvebears1971 it's slightly thicker, obviously not as thick as SVO. But it does gel in cold weather.

[VideoTimChannel]

Excuse the poor grammar and sentence structure in the posts below, I'm a bit under the weather and fuzzy-headed :(

[VideoTimChannel]

Of course the oil companies know this - that's why they're pushing Hydrogen as the solution. The most efficient was of making hydrogen is by cracking natural gas - a process which still emits CO2 - a product they just happen to sell.

[VideoTimChannel]

Robert touched on it briefly here but the issue with Fuel Cell Cars really is sourcing the Hydrogen. Electolysing water to produce hydrogen, which is the ONLY green and renewable way to get it, is horrifically inefficient.

It takes 3 times as much electricity to produce a given amount of hydrogen as you would get back when you run that same amount of hydrogen through a fuel cell.

You would be better pumping that electricity straight into a battery - which is why they're dead on arrival.

[metroperson]

This has got to be one of the best auto show for alternative energy I have ever watched.

[hwlz16]

Diesel Hybrids are better than pure Diesel, BUT I would be happy to get rid of these very unhealthy Diesel cars.

Even with EURO 6 (from 2014) they are allowed 600 BILLION nano particles per kilometer! And all particles smaller 23 nanometer are even NOT COUNTED. And these tiny particles are respirable by the lung, getting into the blood and finally stay in brain & heart.

A new study identifies diesel as one of the main reasons for STROKE & HEART ATTACK (google for "university edinburgh diesel")

[idontcare80]

Ewwwwww...... Diesel.

[ivarsrini]

I love your show a lot, Robert. I wish our policy makers in Australia had the same understanding as you. I drive 2 hybrids and cannot even think of buying a normal petrol car!!

[metameme]

We love fully charged!!!! More more more!!!

[jamiehasnomercy]

was it really 2 years ago that you drove the honda didnt think id been subbded that long!



[FINDaCHANNEL]

why not just make cheap steam engines but run them on air lol  you can run the miniature wilesco and momod engines on air so why not

[XitUp]

@FINDaCHANNEL No you can't.

[rusty2029]

For over ten years I have absolutely loved my diesel VW. But here in the US the options are few and that Peugeot is unobtainium.  The basic problem is cost. If my TDI where a hybrid I wonder what a new battery pack would be for an 11 yr old automobile. You can't make a good argument for conservation of hydrocarbon output without cost conservation as well. I would love to go off the grid some day...

[melchior00625]

Whoa. Half a million bucks (give or take a few hundred thousand) for the Clarity fuel cell? No wonder it was lease-only.

Some fuel cells run off of methane (natural gas), so IMO there's a possible stepping stone if the local infrastructure (*cough*USA*cough*) doesn't provide hydrogen. I don't know if those can use H2, though, and I'm a bit wary of distributing hydrogen after the San Bruno methane explosion.

5:15 "reversible alternator": (You mean a motor? ;)

[DanFrederiksen]

you are too nice Robby : )

you should beat the peugeot guy, Bruce Willis style while you say that you don't want the damn combustion engine in your car : )

and when he says bullshit like the diesel engine turns on to recapture braking energy (which he basically did) you beat him some more : )

don't accommodate these weasels. it's a heavy fossil fuel burning unaerodynamic planet killer. it has no role in the final solution.

[markweatherill]

So I wonder if the 3008 can pass Euro 5 emissions standards without needing a DPF or urea bottle or whatever.

[toyotaprius79]

Aww, I still like the old intro, and the peugeot. Well the batteries aren't big enough or in the right place and yes the plug-in Peugeot 3008 or Citroen DS5 should come much sooner if they don't want to be left behind in the EV race!

[TheHolySpirit]

Hydrogen fuel cell generator in your basement... recharging your electric battery car. Perfect. Everybody happy!

[XitUp]

@TheHolySpirit But the hydrogen is still make from fossil fuels...

[badskpr]

The big question: I have a now $9000 loan at 15.9% payments $486.90 per month and gasoline $80.00 a month on a salary of $2580.00 (pensions) per month with a FICA 0f 426. Now how do I get an electric Kangoo or similar without going bankrupt? If you want to put cleaner vehicles in the public hands, what will these car companies do here in the United States despite our Congress.