I am a great admirer of Mme Callas but Aïda was not definitely her role. People who heard her in Argentina in 1949 ( at only 25/6 years old ) sing three roles, did not like her Aïda, it was wobbly already. Then they liked much more her Turandot and ADORED HER NORMA. " O patria mia " is a devilishly difficult aria, and few singers can do full justice to it. One is Gencer, the other Anna Tomowa Sintow and of course Leontyne Price. I mention 3 among the best Aidas.
this is the best rendition of this song!!!! She just upped Callas hands down!!! I love Gencer b/c she has a voice of her own. Which only the greatest of Divas have conquered. Her pianissimo are similar to that of Caballe.!!
Ahahah! I can see that. Although L.Price's voice is a bit too husky for me to listen to after so long. I do have Price's "Prima Donna" album and let me assure you it is the best of everything from her! She even sings stratospheric Ds, Eflats, and E naturals from famous arias! Making them her own in that powerful voice of hers!
Price had a lovely (and powerful) voice indeed. She however only uttered those high notes in the studio, never on stage.
Everything Gencer did (or Callas for that matter), she did live on stage. 72 roles from Werther, Gioconda, Macbeth and Medea to both Leonoras, Lucia, Gilda, etc, etc...
And Price also sang beautifully into her 70s. She made different choices to preserve her instrument. Gencer and Callas burned white hot, but not for very long. Doesn't mean Price was any less a singer.
@FoggyRoad81 50s and 60s were the most productive years of Gencer. There are many recordings of her even from mid-80s here on Youtube. Just search! Even I have uploaded one of her arias from Roberto Devereoux, 1974.
@yodavidnavarro Perhaps.. Listen to callas live 1953 performance of Aida at Covent Garden. this aria is beautiful.. Price however to me defined the role.
God a real ham, and the voice was nothing special. Thats why she didnt have a big career out side of Italy and no recording contract. Give me Price & Tebaldi any day.
Gencer was one of the greatest Aidas ever, it is your loss that you can't appreciate that, maybe it's your speakers, or maybe it's your ears, but she was a truly fabulous Aida. And she did have a big career outside of Italy
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Gencer was always over critical of maria callas but then she trys to copy her on every movement i guess from hate to love there is only one step.... Brava gencer.
Check the clip "Leyla Gencer on Maria Callas" on youtube (it won't let me post the link). She basically says that Callas "She had greek tragedy in her veins, she was born with it; the Callas myth continues because she did very great things; she had a magnetic presence on stage that made you forget everyone else; it is a great talent, a gift of God... I think I have it too... :-)))!"
I wholeheartedly agree. Callas had a powerful mafia and the press behind her. Her strident wobbling has been sold to us for 50 years as the ideal....when much greater sopranos put her to shame.
VERY freakin' nice job.... she sang the aria and let the music and the words say it all- it's wasn't really about HER instrument- she did a fabulous job! Loved the last note- even better considering this was a live "Arena di Verona" performance & she probably had a bug or two around her face during the aria!
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I am being fair, I just said I love her in this..Aida... I hate her in the dramatic coloratura repertoire. She is a very good singer, in her fach, just as they all are. Each of them have a fach, no matter how much they try to fool themselves.
Very, very nice! Intelligent phrasing, lovely tone. Doesn't try to beat it to death like some other divas I could name! One of the best I've heard (although Leontyne still OWNS the role.) Still, much better than some other bigger" names." Brava! Thanks for posting this!
I love Gencer in this repertory... I hate all the glottals in the belcanto and dramatic coloratura, and plus her coloratura is not so accurate.. But this is sublime.!
Now be fair. When is there ever a perfect live performance? His glissandi are glorious, and her pianissimi are every bit as stirring as Caballé. And that final phrase, taken without a break, is simply flawless. Name a current diva who wouldn't be thrilled with that performance.
la gran soprano turca canto que yo sepa en el colon, RIGOLETTO, PURITANI ,Y NORMA.POR FAVOR A ESTA ALTURA PONER A DECIR SI TENIA GOLPE DE GLOTIS O NO!!!!???? CUANTAS VECES OI A LA SCOTTO A LA CABALLE Y CUANTA MAS DR UNOS GOLPES DE GLOTIS QUE NO ES DE CREEER,YA NO VIVIMOS EN LA EPOCA DE LILY PONS!!!! LA GFENCER FUE UN GRAN CANTANTE ARTISTA, QUE POR SU GRN TECNICA PUDO ABARCAR GRAN REPERTORIO Y LO HIZO SIN ARRUINARSE COMO OTRAS QUE ARRUINARON EL SONIDO DE SU INSTRUMENTO.
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I've just found the exact same statement on a google group;the writer of that claim never gave any proof of his statement since it's totaly groundless.You should admit that you've read it on the internet instead of embarassing your self writting stupid comments trying to pretend you're a mealy mouthed opera insider.
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Everyone knows Gencer's voice was very flawed.Her whole voice was artificially constructed by covering her tone,pushing her voice forsing her chest register in order to sound like a dramatic soprano but her voice was very small for Verdi repertoire .
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Schwartzkopf's repertoire was entirely different except some Mozartian roles,few lyric roles of Verdi and Liu.You have no access to information and knowledge. You've read a stupid google group post written probably by a Gencer fanatic and you're pretending to be an opera insider.
@TheInquisitive4Ever She was called "La Regina" because she regularly sang all 4 queens. I personally think, "La Diva Turca" was a greater compliment.
Some of us or their families have more access to segments of society than you ever will during your feeble existence. I am neither a Shcwarzkopf nor Gencer fanatic but recognize their contributions to the greatest art form every created by man. Now get lost you little wannabe.
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You write any piece of crap you've read on the internet pretending to be an opera expert.Some of us are not naive.You're nothing but an internet troll who spends his life bashing Domingo and Carreras.Please stick to famous tenor arias of the Italian repertoire making comments about the high notes;anything further is a strech for you.
You're a righteous little fiddlestick. Do you even read the nonsense you're blurting out? Your head is stuck so far into your rear you've lost your bearings.
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I asked you the source of your preposterous claim that Gencer a singer with huge vocal flaws gave technical advices to Schwarzkopf who sang an entirely differnt repertoire and a totally different style of singing.You try to avoid giving direct answers to direct questions.You only write obscure comments. Some fans of her gave her a nickname according to your twisted ratiocination this fact manifests the truth of your ridiculous claim that Gencer gave technical advices to Schwarzkopf.
Not only was she under-recorded, Ms Gencer was clearly under-appeciated and often under-rated. At her best she combined the passion and drama of Callas with the lyric ability of Tebaldi. She was incomparable as Maria Stuarda.
The approach to technique, and attitude towards excellence in developing the technique, methods of learning, approach to voice production...that should be enough? Being in comptetition with someone doesn't prevent civilized people to respect and learn from each other. Those were more civilized times than the one in which we live.
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Dodo-Perhaps you're judgment is impaired by your shallowness, which seeks refuge in calling people like myself a racist? Ever wondered about that. Moreno is a scum who carries a Mexican passport it seems. Hence a Mexican scum. In a similar fashion, you're an Italian idiot or so it seems. That doesn't make all Italians an idiot. You're just an aberration to the norm.
What most people do not know about Gencer is this: Elisabeth Schawarzkopf and Montserray Caballes used to consult with Gencer to learn from her. Yes! You read correctly...I said Schwarzkopf...as perfect as she was, she considered Gencer a poineer of the art. Gencer was a true artist. Never gave into commercial pressure and remained a pure artist.
Schwartzkopf. I would, however, like to know the source of your statement. Caballe, while direct rivals with Gencer in the 60's and 70's in their Donizetti heroines, at least shared bel canto in common. It is fascinating to contemplate WHY Schwartkopf would have anything to do with Gencer since their repertory was almost entirely different, with the exception of a few Mozartian roles. As you well know, Schwarzkopf by the mid 60's became a leider singer.
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Schwarzkopf's technique was nearly perfect she had nothing to learn from Gencer.Gencer was truly a master in terms of making glottal sounds,pushing the chest voice,sliding up the high notes,having terrible coloratura technique etc.
Quis-If Ms. Schwarzkopf were still alive, you could have ask her why she did. All I know is that she did. It is not uncommon among intelligent to learn from each other. The less than intelligent one are known to make nonsensical comments though.
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Your comments are nonsensical.I have read some biographies of Schwarzkopf,there is no reference to Gencer.I'd like to know the source of your statement.
This clip is enough evidence for me: Leyla Gencer deserves to be remembered as a very great artist. She is nearly perfect in this most exposed and demanding aria, notoriously treacherous to navigate and keep going...Verdi left absolutely no place to hide, and we understand when we hear many artists falter a bit here or there. Again, her singing here is as close to perfection as any I have heard! Brava Diva! R.I.P.
Moreno2394 I don´t wanna be rude but I´m feed up of your insults towards La Sultana. This is a lack of respect from you. So behave yourself fuckin´ faggot. I wanna kick your ass, son of a bitch. I was tolerant towards your mediocre comments but all of us have had enough from you. Get a life you piece of shit.
Lucluc1000, my argentinian pal, don´t waste your time with that bastard.
Brava Sultana, Prima Donna Assoluta. Leyla gives a masterclass in this role.
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Ve a la escuela analfabeto colombiano.Dan pena tus mensajes, La Sultana, what a cheap name, Gencer sucked all her life.Fue una mediocre y una mujer frustrada, una barata como lo eran sus cachets.Ahora es cenizas en las aguas putrefactas pero muerta siempre estuvo desde que tratò de cantar, pero muerta en vida
Moreno2394 en primer lugar no soy colombiano, soy venezolano y vivo en Venezuela. En segundo lugar, eres tan cobarde que ni tu identificación das. Me das pena, eres un pobre personaje que se esconde detrás de un pseudónimo para insultar. Eres un pobre idiota. Lo más triste es que no tienes vida propia y no haces otra cosa que insultar a Leyla. Busca oficio parásito. VIVA LA SULTANA, VIVA LA GENCER. PRIMA DONNA ASSOLUTA
yo pensaba que yo era el unico venezolano que admira a leyla gencer jaja! a gente como moreno2394 es mejor ignorarla, solo quieren atencion, no se la des..
You are so disrespectful of great artists it's shameful you write like this in Spanish on You Tube, shame on you, clean the wax out of your ear, she was a fabulous soprano, a great Aida for the ages, this aria is sung beautifully, in every way!
Le cuento que mi madre ahora está conmigo en Ginebra... no iría jamás a México...y menos si son todos como ud. Por otro lado, ud. es un imbécil, esa es la diferencia.
At 26 january 1957 sang Leyla Gencer the the role of the second priores in the word-premiere of the "Dialoques des Carmelites" by Francis Poulenc. On CD you remains some parts of this. Listen to it and you will get tears in your eyes. Leyla was a great artist.
Leyla had the same problem as other beautiful sopranos at that time. The media-hipe between Callas and Tabaldi made everyone blind for the othes sopranos. Think for instance at Virzinea Zeani or (my favourite)Magda Olivero.
por lo visto vivimos en la misma ciudad. Gencer vino dos años, 1961 y 1964, cantó Puritani y Rigoletto en 1961 y Somon Boccanegra y Norma en 1964. Tengo algunas grabaciones si te interesa. Espero haber sido de ayuda. Suerte.
La bonne blague Moreno. On peut ne pas aimer Gencer, soit ! Mais elle, au moins, a chanté tous ses rôles.... à la scène, contrairement à d'autres qui se sont contentées de les enregistrer. Demandez donc à Mme Gheorghiu d'aborder la force du destin, le trouvère ou les lombards à la scène.... Gencer, elle, n'a pas eu les honneurs du studio, mais elle a été la chanteuse la plus piratée de tous les temps ! Est-ce un hasard?
Leyla Gencer is still able to mesmerize in black paint and dressed in lame. The audio quality is good for a LR recording. And this is an excellently delivered performance.
Je ne sais moreno2314 si vous comprenez le francais mais je tiens à vous dire que vous avez le droit de ne pas aimer Gencer mais sa réputation n'est plus à faire. Elle a largement contribuer dans les années 60 à la renaissance du bel canto entamer par Maria Callas 10 ans plus tôt. C'est une immense cantatrice et ce n'est pas par hasard si elle a chanté sur les plus grandes scène du monde! Je suis ravis que vous ne fassiez pas parti de ses fans car les fans de Gencer ont du goût!!!
Merci d'avoir crédité Gencer. Bien sûre que nous sommes des gens du goût ! Évidemment, il a le droit de ne pas aimer Gencer mais il n'a aucun droit de l'insulter.
Perhaps poor, deluded moreno2394 has something personal against La Gencer. I simply can't think of any other reason for his visceral, petty and baseless slandering of a great singer. Lack of taste alone can't explain the bitterness and spite he's shown. Perhaps he can enlighten us...
Moreno no entiende el francés, ni el inglés, ni el español (lo escribe muy mal), ni el alemán...es más, no entiende nada...está senil (Je ecrire en spagnol parce que il est de México)
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Soy una persona mayor y tu eres tan poco inteligente pues no sabes que no edad para morir ? Cuidate mucho porque haciendo la vida de depravado como eres tù es muy problable que termines muy mal.Y por favor no envies mas mensajes porque eres un verdadero animal hablando de musica
Le cuento que no tengo padecimientos, quizá los tenga Ud. ¿Perdón? ¿A quién y por qué? Eso es para Ud. que es un pobre salvaje supersticioso...jjajajajaajaja
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Go to school baby.Among all second rate singers, Leyla Gencer is the beggarwoman of all the bad singers.One of the worst voices ever heard, ungorgivable
u must belive me :i have seen some worst aidas(live in arena)...for me she isn't so terrible in singing...but like i sayd not exciting, totally not impressing and the voice is quite too small for aida in arena
and if u use a bit of rispect is better: i'm going to school but i'm not "baby" and u don't know me and if you want rispect from me give the same, please
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If you listen her complete Aida you will see.You are right her voice is small but the worst thing is that you cannot sing Verdi with many voices.She sings with many different colors throughout the register
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Gencer has no low notes, no fortissimo tops, her high notes on forte are squally, very ugly, she push and push.She had no voice for those roles, if you listen her "Ritorna vincitor" "Ciel mio padre" or "Pur ti riveggio" you will see the disaster
I really do not know on which your judgements about Gencer are based? Are you opera singers? I guess no! You would make more professional arguments otherwise. She has a great talent, which is not deniable in the history of Opera! She contributed the opera history by developing the "Genceretti" thechnique.
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Developing Genceretti technique, perhaps you meant developing the falsetto.Have you no shame ?Gencer was one of the most pathetic singers on history, she did everything a singer must never do and her voice was a piece of shit, al ill too flawed voice
Ok. Given the level of English written by you, i recognized that i'm in front of a person who should develope (and revise) not only his opera knowledge but English level as well. I can understand that you make some mistakes that a non-native would do. But what does "on history mean." You should learn many more things until it comes to Gencer.
probably she is pushing couse she haven't the voice enough big for Arena... you can't compare her with the true great aidas like E Marton or M Chiara but like i sayd i don't think she is a disaster: couse i've seen disastrous aidas and they where worst...
I think she don't have the voice for doing aida but in other roles in my opinion she had a good voice, and i'm still in my opinion... thank tou,,,, bye
Eva Marton is a great singer but she sang Aida very few times at the begining of her career and she dropped it, she never was a great Aida and Chiara is fine but she couldn't sing the triumphal scene, her voice was not big enough for that.The greatest Aidas are other sopranos
Sin querer se me escapo una letra, la "z", eso no implica que no sepa escribir. Si es por eso, le comunico que despues de un signo de interrogacion no se coloca punto. Y doy por terminado todo trato con Ud. Lo saludo. BTW: j'aime beacoup la voix de Schwarzkopf aussi...
Moreno, what do you think about Virginia Zeani? She didn't record much either (BTW, Gencer did record an 11" LP for Cetra). Do you dare call her mediocre? Quite frankly, had Maria Callas failed to be Maria Callas, Gencer would have been who we know today as Maria Callas.
On a side note, what are you accomplishing by trampling on Leyla Gencer, both the singer and the person?
Moreno: Ud es un inservible y vaya saber de que selva latinoamericana viene... He vivido en Buenos Aires, no tiene que comentarme como es la sala del Colon, la conozco mejor que ud. Ah, marico sera su padre junto con Ud. Es ud, un imbecil, lisa y llanamente, que no respeta una opinion diferente, ademas de ser un reaccionario. Seguramente le gusta el pasado nazi de la Schwarkopf...parece ud. mostrar cierto interes por las sabanas de los cantantes. Viejo patetico.
The most important aspect of any type of singer is the ability to transmit emotion and feeling - essential in an opera singer. Gencer was never a perfect singer and pushed her voice to sing what was given to her - but aren't we glad she did! It is a shame that different opinions and tastes don't seem to be respected but i suspect that everybody will just ignore these comments and continue to be thrilled by one of the greatest theatrical singers of the 20th century.
Primero aprenda a escribir: Schwarzkopf.Hay una anecdota muy graciosa de Leyla Gencer.Hace unos años en la revista española Scherzo en una nota Gencer mostraba todos sus odios, logico, muchas frustraciones por siempre una mediocre.Mujer tan ignorante (Gencer) se atreviò a hablar mal de la gran Elizabeth Schwarzkopf...
Gencer dijo que Walter Legge, el dueño de Emi y marido de Schwarzkopf la odiaba y que no la habìa dejado grabar ninguno de sus roles de Mozart porque los grababa su esposa E.Schwarzkopf, e insinuaba que ella (Gencer) los cantaba mejor.¿Se ha escuchado alguna vez algo tan impertinente ?.Lo real es que a Leyla Gencer no la dejaron pisar un estudio de grabacion en su vida, ninguna compañia de discos.
Lo que la Sra Gencer atribuìa a un problema con Walter Legge, no era mas que sentido comun de cualquier firma discografica de no hacer un daño tan grande a la musica (que Gencer llegara al disco ! un anticristo musical)
Estimado Moreno, visto que no se puede conversar con ud. de forma educada, le pido que no se dirija a mi nuevamente. No solo es agresivo, sino absolutamente vulgar. Yo a Ud, no lo he tratado de "tu" en primer lugar, y en segundo lugar Ud. no es nadie para hablar de ese modo de mis conocimientos acerca de la musica. (Perdon por mi espanol)
La croisade de Moreno contre Gencer est pathetique...
Quizas entienda espanol,: si tanto le molesta L.Gencer, por que razon entra a ver / escuchar su Aida? (tengo teclado ingles, por eso no pongo acentos...)Saludos.
Patetica fue Leyla Gencer y tu no entiendes nada de voces y de canto.El lugar que ocupo L.Gencer fue ni mas ni menos que el que merecìa, una cantante de provincia de pacotilla, lo poco importante que hizo en LaScala fue por un asunto de sabanas con Gavazzenni.El maestro era casado, yo conocì a la Sra de Gavazzenni.Gencer era la puta del maestro
la mujer cantaba con 15 voces distintas, destimbrada, no tenìa sonido, las notas en los agudos eran apagadas, no tenia potencia, apianaba todo, no tenia graves, una voz imperdonable
Moreno...please, Gencer's Norma at the Teatro Colon was GREAT!!!!!! She is one of the best singers of the XX century...Her Stuarda is the best as well...and she has a very powerful voice... I agree with Maometto. A lot of great singers talk great about her, among them Sutherland, Barbieri, etc...
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Please lucluc1000: Are you joking ?Gencer one of the best singers ?powerful voice ?.Gencer was third rate artist who sang with mediocre casts, she never was a star
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It was a natural fact, her voice was too bad, no power and too many flaws.The word female dog it means Leyla Gencer, she can be called "the antisinger" too
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The '64 Buenos Aires Norma is a piece of shit.All she did is unforgivable.One of the most pathetic singers ever heard, that's why she never could reach to the disc, among another many things
I love the rich quality of Gencer's voice, it's such a unique timbre: creamy, dark and heavy and at the same time silvery, bright and smooth. She obviously knew she had a heterogeneous voice and used that to the best effect! Her style and musicianship are undeniable and always impeccable. Her singing sounds so simple, authentic and natural, that is what a real talent does! And her extremely pure pianissimi are irresistible... ;-)
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Unique timbre ? Gencer voice just lacked timbre and she had little sound.Singing natural ? Her singing was to push and to push, she barked !and her notes on forte were asolutely screechy and her voice was small and ill !
moreno2394, you might be wrong. Cause she had unique pianissimi(also known as "gencerato")and great bel-canto technique. And she still has. Believe me even she is over her 80s. Do me a favour and listen her La Gioconda aria. Then we talk about little sounds, o.k? But thanks anyway.
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maomettoll: You don't know anything about voices and registers.Leyla Gencer was UNABLE to sing La Gioconda, too heavy for her.Gencer had NO great power, her voice was small and she had NO FFF high notes (she had NO fortissimo)
We are talking about singing, you might have different opinion. Unfortunately I do know about voices and registers. But it would be really unnecessary to discuss about something we will never agree. Anyway thanks for writing those personal memories.
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NO luxurious tone at all.Are you joking ? If Leyla Gencer voice was small, had little sound and her instrument was of the worst quality, a mediocre and ill voice
Yes, a mediocre and ill voice that sang Aida, Norma, Anna Bolena, Tosca and almost all famous difficult roles in most of the great Opera Houses in the world. That's quite weird... In fact, I think YOUR EARS must be ill, because I can't believe 99% of the Opera fans would be wrong in worshipping this woman even if she NEVER had a huge hype favoring her.
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You are an alienist ? Gencer sang in provincial Italy theaters with third rate casts, the only main house she sang was LaScala BUT She was "second donna" of ordinary sopranos even ! Ligabue, Stella, etc
Um, she sang at Vienna State, San Fransisco Opera, Covent Garden, Rome, Naples, Verona, Florence, etc. Gencer had quite a substantial voice. It was not small whatsoever- it's just, in a period when most sang f, ff, and fff, she chose to follow the dynamic markings written by the composer.
You mistaken barking with effective scatto. No great power? Second donna? Hm. You can't sing Normas, Elisabettas, Aidas, Lady Macbeths, Forzas, Vespris, etc at La Scala, the way she did, and be mediocre.
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She sang all in ppp, because she had no fff.I had told it before she sang many times at LaScala as second donna.For example only one Forza perf in 1961 as Antonietta Stella second donna, the only important thing she did there was '65 Norma and because she was Gavazzenni's lover.
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In 1965 again she sang last perf of Ilva Ligabue run of Forzas there.Gencer was one of the most pathetic singer ever existed.Her voice was not only small, also had very little sound and her singing was a disaster, she can be called the anti-singer absolutely
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Her stage presence was awful at all.She looks like a maid , this clip shows it well, she was very unatractive, no charisma no personality, an average and awful woman
Squisita.
sirenadellopera 8 months ago 3
Voix de scène!
abracadabranque 9 months ago
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lalushka2009 9 months ago
Dünyaca meşhur opera sanatçımızı anıyoruz
1982mrt 1 year ago
wonderfull diva of Turkey thank you very much. and rest in peace
1982mrt 1 year ago
Great to see this. Thanks!
coryisawake 1 year ago
Gencer was a great Aida! Thanks for the upload!
grafmandryka 1 year ago 3
WOW, I had never heard this singer before. Thank you so much for posting this.
spizzell1 1 year ago
Absolutely wonderful!
SilasSmith1 1 year ago
This is why they called her La Regina!
Tenorgeiger 1 year ago 4
Awesome
paulostroff99 1 year ago
BRAVISSIMA, BRAVISSIMA!!!!!!!!!!
alvarito45 2 years ago 3
GREAT!!!
Verdiforever 2 years ago
Absolutely stunning!!
voce29 2 years ago 4
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I am a great admirer of Mme Callas but Aïda was not definitely her role. People who heard her in Argentina in 1949 ( at only 25/6 years old ) sing three roles, did not like her Aïda, it was wobbly already. Then they liked much more her Turandot and ADORED HER NORMA. " O patria mia " is a devilishly difficult aria, and few singers can do full justice to it. One is Gencer, the other Anna Tomowa Sintow and of course Leontyne Price. I mention 3 among the best Aidas.
Greatfan 2 years ago
oh yippeeee. thanks for posting this wonderful soprano that I had nearly forgotten about!
cmhmuscle 2 years ago 3
yeah well that's a new one, the ability to forget Leyla Gencer
SiEtIn1 2 years ago
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sezgin86 2 years ago 3
Anita Cerquetti.
vocedivinax 2 years ago
this is the best rendition of this song!!!! She just upped Callas hands down!!! I love Gencer b/c she has a voice of her own. Which only the greatest of Divas have conquered. Her pianissimo are similar to that of Caballe.!!
DonRolini 2 years ago 7
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She upped Callas? Yes. But Leontyne Price is out of her reach!
yodavidnavarro 2 years ago
Ahahah! I can see that. Although L.Price's voice is a bit too husky for me to listen to after so long. I do have Price's "Prima Donna" album and let me assure you it is the best of everything from her! She even sings stratospheric Ds, Eflats, and E naturals from famous arias! Making them her own in that powerful voice of hers!
DonRolini 2 years ago
Price had a lovely (and powerful) voice indeed. She however only uttered those high notes in the studio, never on stage.
Everything Gencer did (or Callas for that matter), she did live on stage. 72 roles from Werther, Gioconda, Macbeth and Medea to both Leonoras, Lucia, Gilda, etc, etc...
TheRealAngelHeart 2 years ago 2
And Price also sang beautifully into her 70s. She made different choices to preserve her instrument. Gencer and Callas burned white hot, but not for very long. Doesn't mean Price was any less a singer.
FoggyRoad81 1 year ago
@FoggyRoad81 Gencer not for very long? She sang nearly 40 years!
sezgin86 1 year ago
@sezgin86 I stand corrected, I tend to only see footage/recordings of her made during the 1950s-60s, where is her work in the 1970s?
FoggyRoad81 1 year ago
@FoggyRoad81 50s and 60s were the most productive years of Gencer. There are many recordings of her even from mid-80s here on Youtube. Just search! Even I have uploaded one of her arias from Roberto Devereoux, 1974.
sezgin86 1 year ago
@FoggyRoad81 Indeed: first recital 1946 in Turkey, last 1991 in Italy = 46 years.
First complete opera 1950 in Ankara, last 1983 in Venice = 34 years.
As for the quality of her voice, Gencer still had a ringing D in alt in 1975 as witnessed in Poliuto recorded live in Barcelona.
TheRealAngelHeart 1 year ago
@yodavidnavarro Perhaps.. Listen to callas live 1953 performance of Aida at Covent Garden. this aria is beautiful.. Price however to me defined the role.
kgarmaker123 2 years ago
Price defined the role? Off course! Price is obviously the best Aida!
yodavidnavarro 2 years ago
She is fantastic! I love everything she does!
MisterSoprano 2 years ago 6
Love 6:05 to end! Love pianissimmo to swelling forte!
angelovocci 2 years ago 5
Very nice bel canto!
angelovocci 2 years ago 3
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bodiloto 2 years ago
Супер!Лучшая Аида!
muzicista120 2 years ago
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God a real ham, and the voice was nothing special. Thats why she didnt have a big career out side of Italy and no recording contract. Give me Price & Tebaldi any day.
mrrk 2 years ago
Gencer was one of the greatest Aidas ever, it is your loss that you can't appreciate that, maybe it's your speakers, or maybe it's your ears, but she was a truly fabulous Aida. And she did have a big career outside of Italy
SiEtIn1 2 years ago 6
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Oh yea? Where? Not my speakers or my ears, it's her dull, monochromatic singing voice.
mrrk 2 years ago
look, Leyla Gencer doesn't need you, take your Price and Tebaldi and go away, you can google her career if you want but nobody cares
SiEtIn1 2 years ago 2
Brava!
geomusic 2 years ago
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Gencer was always over critical of maria callas but then she trys to copy her on every movement i guess from hate to love there is only one step.... Brava gencer.
MAPIAKALLAS 2 years ago
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TheRealAngelHeart 2 years ago
Check the clip "Leyla Gencer on Maria Callas" on youtube (it won't let me post the link). She basically says that Callas "She had greek tragedy in her veins, she was born with it; the Callas myth continues because she did very great things; she had a magnetic presence on stage that made you forget everyone else; it is a great talent, a gift of God... I think I have it too... :-)))!"
whipittome 2 years ago 3
gencer copying callas??? you are seeing visions... you also have some nerve to say anyone is copying callas, with that username of yours. what a joke
SiEtIn1 2 years ago 4
it was just a comment and thats what its thats all thank you...
MAPIAKALLAS 2 years ago
In vocal terms and quality of voice. Gencer was miles ahead of Callas!
yodavidnavarro 2 years ago 9
I wholeheartedly agree. Callas had a powerful mafia and the press behind her. Her strident wobbling has been sold to us for 50 years as the ideal....when much greater sopranos put her to shame.
Operaddict 2 years ago 8
VERY freakin' nice job.... she sang the aria and let the music and the words say it all- it's wasn't really about HER instrument- she did a fabulous job! Loved the last note- even better considering this was a live "Arena di Verona" performance & she probably had a bug or two around her face during the aria!
puccinislarondine 2 years ago 7
She is the best Aida in this area at the least and simply that I ever heard - indeed. Brava....
iWalkure 2 years ago 9
Better than leontyne price!?!?! You are insane.
FoggyRoad81 2 years ago
well said.
mrrk 2 years ago
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I am being fair, I just said I love her in this..Aida... I hate her in the dramatic coloratura repertoire. She is a very good singer, in her fach, just as they all are. Each of them have a fach, no matter how much they try to fool themselves.
kgarmaker123 3 years ago
Very, very nice! Intelligent phrasing, lovely tone. Doesn't try to beat it to death like some other divas I could name! One of the best I've heard (although Leontyne still OWNS the role.) Still, much better than some other bigger" names." Brava! Thanks for posting this!
operasanger 3 years ago 2
I love Gencer in this repertory... I hate all the glottals in the belcanto and dramatic coloratura, and plus her coloratura is not so accurate.. But this is sublime.!
kgarmaker123 3 years ago
Now be fair. When is there ever a perfect live performance? His glissandi are glorious, and her pianissimi are every bit as stirring as Caballé. And that final phrase, taken without a break, is simply flawless. Name a current diva who wouldn't be thrilled with that performance.
operasanger 3 years ago 3
Many of Price's performances of this aria live were perfection.
FoggyRoad81 2 years ago
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la gran soprano turca canto que yo sepa en el colon, RIGOLETTO, PURITANI ,Y NORMA.POR FAVOR A ESTA ALTURA PONER A DECIR SI TENIA GOLPE DE GLOTIS O NO!!!!???? CUANTAS VECES OI A LA SCOTTO A LA CABALLE Y CUANTA MAS DR UNOS GOLPES DE GLOTIS QUE NO ES DE CREEER,YA NO VIVIMOS EN LA EPOCA DE LILY PONS!!!! LA GFENCER FUE UN GRAN CANTANTE ARTISTA, QUE POR SU GRN TECNICA PUDO ABARCAR GRAN REPERTORIO Y LO HIZO SIN ARRUINARSE COMO OTRAS QUE ARRUINARON EL SONIDO DE SU INSTRUMENTO.
gencerito 3 years ago
WOWOWOWOWOW!!! What an incredible singer! Thank you for posting!
mmgmom 3 years ago 17
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I've just found the exact same statement on a google group;the writer of that claim never gave any proof of his statement since it's totaly groundless.You should admit that you've read it on the internet instead of embarassing your self writting stupid comments trying to pretend you're a mealy mouthed opera insider.
quis178 3 years ago
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There's a reason she was in the second cast at Scala.
quis178 3 years ago
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Everyone knows Gencer's voice was very flawed.Her whole voice was artificially constructed by covering her tone,pushing her voice forsing her chest register in order to sound like a dramatic soprano but her voice was very small for Verdi repertoire .
quis178 3 years ago
There is a good reason why there were calling her La Regina at La Scala which is known to have a very demanding core audience. Get a clue, will ya!
TheInquisitive4Ever 3 years ago 40
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Schwartzkopf's repertoire was entirely different except some Mozartian roles,few lyric roles of Verdi and Liu.You have no access to information and knowledge. You've read a stupid google group post written probably by a Gencer fanatic and you're pretending to be an opera insider.
quis178 3 years ago
@TheInquisitive4Ever She was called "La Regina" because she regularly sang all 4 queens. I personally think, "La Diva Turca" was a greater compliment.
rameyonwheels 11 months ago
Some of us or their families have more access to segments of society than you ever will during your feeble existence. I am neither a Shcwarzkopf nor Gencer fanatic but recognize their contributions to the greatest art form every created by man. Now get lost you little wannabe.
TheInquisitive4Ever 3 years ago 28
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You write any piece of crap you've read on the internet pretending to be an opera expert.Some of us are not naive.You're nothing but an internet troll who spends his life bashing Domingo and Carreras.Please stick to famous tenor arias of the Italian repertoire making comments about the high notes;anything further is a strech for you.
quis178 3 years ago
You're a righteous little fiddlestick. Do you even read the nonsense you're blurting out? Your head is stuck so far into your rear you've lost your bearings.
TheInquisitive4Ever 3 years ago 18
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I asked you the source of your preposterous claim that Gencer a singer with huge vocal flaws gave technical advices to Schwarzkopf who sang an entirely differnt repertoire and a totally different style of singing.You try to avoid giving direct answers to direct questions.You only write obscure comments. Some fans of her gave her a nickname according to your twisted ratiocination this fact manifests the truth of your ridiculous claim that Gencer gave technical advices to Schwarzkopf.
quis178 3 years ago
Che maestria vocale, pur con una voce non memorabile. Ha una tecnica che riscontro un pochissime cantanti nella storia dell'Opera.
neronnenn 3 years ago 5
Not only was she under-recorded, Ms Gencer was clearly under-appeciated and often under-rated. At her best she combined the passion and drama of Callas with the lyric ability of Tebaldi. She was incomparable as Maria Stuarda.
MarquisDePosa53 3 years ago 17
The approach to technique, and attitude towards excellence in developing the technique, methods of learning, approach to voice production...that should be enough? Being in comptetition with someone doesn't prevent civilized people to respect and learn from each other. Those were more civilized times than the one in which we live.
TheInquisitive4Ever 3 years ago 10
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Dodo-Perhaps you're judgment is impaired by your shallowness, which seeks refuge in calling people like myself a racist? Ever wondered about that. Moreno is a scum who carries a Mexican passport it seems. Hence a Mexican scum. In a similar fashion, you're an Italian idiot or so it seems. That doesn't make all Italians an idiot. You're just an aberration to the norm.
TheInquisitive4Ever 3 years ago
Moreno-You're consuming oxygen you senile dimwit. Go get your medication.
TheInquisitive4Ever 3 years ago
Grazie Gabba02!Bellissimo omaggio a una grandissima artista!
schwarzkavalier 3 years ago 2
What most people do not know about Gencer is this: Elisabeth Schawarzkopf and Montserray Caballes used to consult with Gencer to learn from her. Yes! You read correctly...I said Schwarzkopf...as perfect as she was, she considered Gencer a poineer of the art. Gencer was a true artist. Never gave into commercial pressure and remained a pure artist.
TheInquisitive4Ever 3 years ago
as well as Crespin.
wotansings 3 years ago
I don't doubt you speak the truth about
Schwartzkopf. I would, however, like to know the source of your statement. Caballe, while direct rivals with Gencer in the 60's and 70's in their Donizetti heroines, at least shared bel canto in common. It is fascinating to contemplate WHY Schwartkopf would have anything to do with Gencer since their repertory was almost entirely different, with the exception of a few Mozartian roles. As you well know, Schwarzkopf by the mid 60's became a leider singer.
pkunzip501 3 years ago
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Schwarzkopf's technique was nearly perfect she had nothing to learn from Gencer.Gencer was truly a master in terms of making glottal sounds,pushing the chest voice,sliding up the high notes,having terrible coloratura technique etc.
quis178 3 years ago
Quis-If Ms. Schwarzkopf were still alive, you could have ask her why she did. All I know is that she did. It is not uncommon among intelligent to learn from each other. The less than intelligent one are known to make nonsensical comments though.
TheInquisitive4Ever 3 years ago
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Your comments are nonsensical.I have read some biographies of Schwarzkopf,there is no reference to Gencer.I'd like to know the source of your statement.
quis178 3 years ago
While you were reading biographies, some of us had direct access to information and knowledge. Now keep on reading! lol
TheInquisitive4Ever 3 years ago 14
This clip is enough evidence for me: Leyla Gencer deserves to be remembered as a very great artist. She is nearly perfect in this most exposed and demanding aria, notoriously treacherous to navigate and keep going...Verdi left absolutely no place to hide, and we understand when we hear many artists falter a bit here or there. Again, her singing here is as close to perfection as any I have heard! Brava Diva! R.I.P.
Beauprix 3 years ago 8
Moreno-You're succeeding in proving to us all that you're an old Mexican scum who has been wasting oxygen on this planet.
TheInquisitive4Ever 3 years ago
Moreno2394 I don´t wanna be rude but I´m feed up of your insults towards La Sultana. This is a lack of respect from you. So behave yourself fuckin´ faggot. I wanna kick your ass, son of a bitch. I was tolerant towards your mediocre comments but all of us have had enough from you. Get a life you piece of shit.
Lucluc1000, my argentinian pal, don´t waste your time with that bastard.
Brava Sultana, Prima Donna Assoluta. Leyla gives a masterclass in this role.
luiscar89 3 years ago 3
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Ve a la escuela analfabeto colombiano.Dan pena tus mensajes, La Sultana, what a cheap name, Gencer sucked all her life.Fue una mediocre y una mujer frustrada, una barata como lo eran sus cachets.Ahora es cenizas en las aguas putrefactas pero muerta siempre estuvo desde que tratò de cantar, pero muerta en vida
moreno2394 3 years ago
Moreno2394 en primer lugar no soy colombiano, soy venezolano y vivo en Venezuela. En segundo lugar, eres tan cobarde que ni tu identificación das. Me das pena, eres un pobre personaje que se esconde detrás de un pseudónimo para insultar. Eres un pobre idiota. Lo más triste es que no tienes vida propia y no haces otra cosa que insultar a Leyla. Busca oficio parásito. VIVA LA SULTANA, VIVA LA GENCER. PRIMA DONNA ASSOLUTA
luiscar89 3 years ago 3
yo pensaba que yo era el unico venezolano que admira a leyla gencer jaja! a gente como moreno2394 es mejor ignorarla, solo quieren atencion, no se la des..
SiEtIn1 3 years ago
You are so disrespectful of great artists it's shameful you write like this in Spanish on You Tube, shame on you, clean the wax out of your ear, she was a fabulous soprano, a great Aida for the ages, this aria is sung beautifully, in every way!
Leuenzahn 3 years ago
viejo puto y senil
lucluc1000 3 years ago
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En la habitaciòn de aquì al lado està tu madre cojiendo por 30 pesos
moreno2394 3 years ago
Le cuento que mi madre ahora está conmigo en Ginebra... no iría jamás a México...y menos si son todos como ud. Por otro lado, ud. es un imbécil, esa es la diferencia.
lucluc1000 3 years ago
Un commosso omaggio alla più grande Lady Macbeth della storia. Una grandissima artista,
ci mancheranno anche i suoi insegnamenti.
zakar67 3 years ago 2
No sólo es extraordinaria esta Gran Soprano sino la orquesta que es tan generosa en su sonido!
filiodecallas 3 years ago
Moreno it's your "alleged" 80 yo mexican brain that is mediocre.
TheInquisitive4Ever 3 years ago
More racism from Inquisitive, Moreno has big issues with Gencer and not with her singing, but it has nothing to do with being Mexican...
Inquisitive don't you understand, it's quite simple, you are racist! you show it again and again.
CzarDodon 3 years ago
Leyla, in paradisum deducant te angeli et in tuo adventu suscipiant te martyres !
Hans NL
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mtakman 3 years ago
Repose en paix, Leyla.
512gontran 3 years ago
Au revoir, Madame.
SENAFOREVER 3 years ago
At 26 january 1957 sang Leyla Gencer the the role of the second priores in the word-premiere of the "Dialoques des Carmelites" by Francis Poulenc. On CD you remains some parts of this. Listen to it and you will get tears in your eyes. Leyla was a great artist.
Hans from NL.
qklq42 4 years ago 4
Leyla had the same problem as other beautiful sopranos at that time. The media-hipe between Callas and Tabaldi made everyone blind for the othes sopranos. Think for instance at Virzinea Zeani or (my favourite)Magda Olivero.
qklq42 4 years ago 3
Hola Portbaires
por lo visto vivimos en la misma ciudad. Gencer vino dos años, 1961 y 1964, cantó Puritani y Rigoletto en 1961 y Somon Boccanegra y Norma en 1964. Tengo algunas grabaciones si te interesa. Espero haber sido de ayuda. Suerte.
lucluc1000 4 years ago
La bonne blague Moreno. On peut ne pas aimer Gencer, soit ! Mais elle, au moins, a chanté tous ses rôles.... à la scène, contrairement à d'autres qui se sont contentées de les enregistrer. Demandez donc à Mme Gheorghiu d'aborder la force du destin, le trouvère ou les lombards à la scène.... Gencer, elle, n'a pas eu les honneurs du studio, mais elle a été la chanteuse la plus piratée de tous les temps ! Est-ce un hasard?
marioj34 4 years ago
bravisima turca
carlocruder 4 years ago 2
Leyla Gencer is still able to mesmerize in black paint and dressed in lame. The audio quality is good for a LR recording. And this is an excellently delivered performance.
Good Aida is Good Leyla.
tHEnOOSEsWINGS 4 years ago
Brava Turca!!! Kolonamed, don´t waste your time, moreno2394 is deaf. Brava Sultana!!!
luiscar89 4 years ago 4
Je ne sais moreno2314 si vous comprenez le francais mais je tiens à vous dire que vous avez le droit de ne pas aimer Gencer mais sa réputation n'est plus à faire. Elle a largement contribuer dans les années 60 à la renaissance du bel canto entamer par Maria Callas 10 ans plus tôt. C'est une immense cantatrice et ce n'est pas par hasard si elle a chanté sur les plus grandes scène du monde! Je suis ravis que vous ne fassiez pas parti de ses fans car les fans de Gencer ont du goût!!!
ioSonoCallas 4 years ago
Merci d'avoir crédité Gencer. Bien sûre que nous sommes des gens du goût ! Évidemment, il a le droit de ne pas aimer Gencer mais il n'a aucun droit de l'insulter.
kolanamed 4 years ago
Well put, Callas! Of
Perhaps poor, deluded moreno2394 has something personal against La Gencer. I simply can't think of any other reason for his visceral, petty and baseless slandering of a great singer. Lack of taste alone can't explain the bitterness and spite he's shown. Perhaps he can enlighten us...
seligster125 4 years ago
Moreno no entiende el francés, ni el inglés, ni el español (lo escribe muy mal), ni el alemán...es más, no entiende nada...está senil (Je ecrire en spagnol parce que il est de México)
lucluc1000 4 years ago
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Soy una persona mayor y tu eres tan poco inteligente pues no sabes que no edad para morir ? Cuidate mucho porque haciendo la vida de depravado como eres tù es muy problable que termines muy mal.Y por favor no envies mas mensajes porque eres un verdadero animal hablando de musica
moreno2394 4 years ago
fuck off...ud es un verdadero animal viviendo...da asco. No me conoce y opina...pobre infeliz.
lucluc1000 4 years ago
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tranquilo hijo, yo se de tus padecimientos, rezo por tì.Los que son como tù cuando estàn por morir piden perdon
moreno2394 4 years ago
Le cuento que no tengo padecimientos, quizá los tenga Ud. ¿Perdón? ¿A quién y por qué? Eso es para Ud. que es un pobre salvaje supersticioso...jjajajajaajaja
lucluc1000 4 years ago
not very exciting, but a "quite very good" voice
LittlePasserotto 4 years ago
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Go to school baby.Among all second rate singers, Leyla Gencer is the beggarwoman of all the bad singers.One of the worst voices ever heard, ungorgivable
moreno2394 4 years ago
u must belive me :i have seen some worst aidas(live in arena)...for me she isn't so terrible in singing...but like i sayd not exciting, totally not impressing and the voice is quite too small for aida in arena
LittlePasserotto 4 years ago
but for me not so terrible like u say...
LittlePasserotto 4 years ago
I am sorry I didn't want to offend you
moreno2394 4 years ago
no , i'm not angry...just a little touchy...
LittlePasserotto 4 years ago
and if u use a bit of rispect is better: i'm going to school but i'm not "baby" and u don't know me and if you want rispect from me give the same, please
LittlePasserotto 4 years ago
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If you listen her complete Aida you will see.You are right her voice is small but the worst thing is that you cannot sing Verdi with many voices.She sings with many different colors throughout the register
moreno2394 4 years ago
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Gencer has no low notes, no fortissimo tops, her high notes on forte are squally, very ugly, she push and push.She had no voice for those roles, if you listen her "Ritorna vincitor" "Ciel mio padre" or "Pur ti riveggio" you will see the disaster
moreno2394 4 years ago
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Another thing, when she sing a pianissimo she sounds like a girl of 15 years old, those are false notes.She uses the falsetto
moreno2394 4 years ago
I really do not know on which your judgements about Gencer are based? Are you opera singers? I guess no! You would make more professional arguments otherwise. She has a great talent, which is not deniable in the history of Opera! She contributed the opera history by developing the "Genceretti" thechnique.
kolanamed 4 years ago 2
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Developing Genceretti technique, perhaps you meant developing the falsetto.Have you no shame ?Gencer was one of the most pathetic singers on history, she did everything a singer must never do and her voice was a piece of shit, al ill too flawed voice
moreno2394 4 years ago
Ok. Given the level of English written by you, i recognized that i'm in front of a person who should develope (and revise) not only his opera knowledge but English level as well. I can understand that you make some mistakes that a non-native would do. But what does "on history mean." You should learn many more things until it comes to Gencer.
kolanamed 4 years ago
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My english is not perfect but all things I pointed about Gencer too mediocre and too flawed voice are true
moreno2394 4 years ago
probably she is pushing couse she haven't the voice enough big for Arena... you can't compare her with the true great aidas like E Marton or M Chiara but like i sayd i don't think she is a disaster: couse i've seen disastrous aidas and they where worst...
I think she don't have the voice for doing aida but in other roles in my opinion she had a good voice, and i'm still in my opinion... thank tou,,,, bye
LittlePasserotto 4 years ago
Eva Marton is a great singer but she sang Aida very few times at the begining of her career and she dropped it, she never was a great Aida and Chiara is fine but she couldn't sing the triumphal scene, her voice was not big enough for that.The greatest Aidas are other sopranos
moreno2394 4 years ago
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aida was very difficult for Marton, she had a huge voice and lacked flexibility.Third act very problematic for Marton
moreno2394 4 years ago
Sin querer se me escapo una letra, la "z", eso no implica que no sepa escribir. Si es por eso, le comunico que despues de un signo de interrogacion no se coloca punto. Y doy por terminado todo trato con Ud. Lo saludo. BTW: j'aime beacoup la voix de Schwarzkopf aussi...
lucluc1000 4 years ago
Moreno, what do you think about Virginia Zeani? She didn't record much either (BTW, Gencer did record an 11" LP for Cetra). Do you dare call her mediocre? Quite frankly, had Maria Callas failed to be Maria Callas, Gencer would have been who we know today as Maria Callas.
On a side note, what are you accomplishing by trampling on Leyla Gencer, both the singer and the person?
VivaMariaCallas 4 years ago 2
Moreno: Ud es un inservible y vaya saber de que selva latinoamericana viene... He vivido en Buenos Aires, no tiene que comentarme como es la sala del Colon, la conozco mejor que ud. Ah, marico sera su padre junto con Ud. Es ud, un imbecil, lisa y llanamente, que no respeta una opinion diferente, ademas de ser un reaccionario. Seguramente le gusta el pasado nazi de la Schwarkopf...parece ud. mostrar cierto interes por las sabanas de los cantantes. Viejo patetico.
lucluc1000 4 years ago
The most important aspect of any type of singer is the ability to transmit emotion and feeling - essential in an opera singer. Gencer was never a perfect singer and pushed her voice to sing what was given to her - but aren't we glad she did! It is a shame that different opinions and tastes don't seem to be respected but i suspect that everybody will just ignore these comments and continue to be thrilled by one of the greatest theatrical singers of the 20th century.
davtij 4 years ago
Primero aprenda a escribir: Schwarzkopf.Hay una anecdota muy graciosa de Leyla Gencer.Hace unos años en la revista española Scherzo en una nota Gencer mostraba todos sus odios, logico, muchas frustraciones por siempre una mediocre.Mujer tan ignorante (Gencer) se atreviò a hablar mal de la gran Elizabeth Schwarzkopf...
moreno2394 4 years ago
Gencer dijo que Walter Legge, el dueño de Emi y marido de Schwarzkopf la odiaba y que no la habìa dejado grabar ninguno de sus roles de Mozart porque los grababa su esposa E.Schwarzkopf, e insinuaba que ella (Gencer) los cantaba mejor.¿Se ha escuchado alguna vez algo tan impertinente ?.Lo real es que a Leyla Gencer no la dejaron pisar un estudio de grabacion en su vida, ninguna compañia de discos.
moreno2394 4 years ago
Lo que la Sra Gencer atribuìa a un problema con Walter Legge, no era mas que sentido comun de cualquier firma discografica de no hacer un daño tan grande a la musica (que Gencer llegara al disco ! un anticristo musical)
moreno2394 4 years ago
Estimado Moreno, visto que no se puede conversar con ud. de forma educada, le pido que no se dirija a mi nuevamente. No solo es agresivo, sino absolutamente vulgar. Yo a Ud, no lo he tratado de "tu" en primer lugar, y en segundo lugar Ud. no es nadie para hablar de ese modo de mis conocimientos acerca de la musica. (Perdon por mi espanol)
lucluc1000 4 years ago
Estuve en Buenos Aires varias veces y he asistido a funciones del Teatro Colon una de las salas mas grandes que he visto
moreno2394 4 years ago
Pero a quien crees engañar fingiendo ser un caballero, eres un marico mas, conocimientos de opera Valor ! lo que no tienes es verguenza
moreno2394 4 years ago
La croisade de Moreno contre Gencer est pathetique...
Quizas entienda espanol,: si tanto le molesta L.Gencer, por que razon entra a ver / escuchar su Aida? (tengo teclado ingles, por eso no pongo acentos...)Saludos.
lucluc1000 4 years ago
Patetica fue Leyla Gencer y tu no entiendes nada de voces y de canto.El lugar que ocupo L.Gencer fue ni mas ni menos que el que merecìa, una cantante de provincia de pacotilla, lo poco importante que hizo en LaScala fue por un asunto de sabanas con Gavazzenni.El maestro era casado, yo conocì a la Sra de Gavazzenni.Gencer era la puta del maestro
moreno2394 4 years ago
la mujer cantaba con 15 voces distintas, destimbrada, no tenìa sonido, las notas en los agudos eran apagadas, no tenia potencia, apianaba todo, no tenia graves, una voz imperdonable
moreno2394 4 years ago
Moreno...please, Gencer's Norma at the Teatro Colon was GREAT!!!!!! She is one of the best singers of the XX century...Her Stuarda is the best as well...and she has a very powerful voice... I agree with Maometto. A lot of great singers talk great about her, among them Sutherland, Barbieri, etc...
lucluc1000 4 years ago 2
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Please lucluc1000: Are you joking ?Gencer one of the best singers ?powerful voice ?.Gencer was third rate artist who sang with mediocre casts, she never was a star
moreno2394 4 years ago
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It was a natural fact, her voice was too bad, no power and too many flaws.The word female dog it means Leyla Gencer, she can be called "the antisinger" too
moreno2394 4 years ago
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Do you have idea of what is to sing well? At any conservatory Gencer should be showed as "everything a singer MUST NEVER do "
moreno2394 4 years ago
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The '64 Buenos Aires Norma is a piece of shit.All she did is unforgivable.One of the most pathetic singers ever heard, that's why she never could reach to the disc, among another many things
moreno2394 4 years ago
for me the best soprano!! Thank you so much for posting this 1963 performance only heard the -66..before
erik760 4 years ago
I love the rich quality of Gencer's voice, it's such a unique timbre: creamy, dark and heavy and at the same time silvery, bright and smooth. She obviously knew she had a heterogeneous voice and used that to the best effect! Her style and musicianship are undeniable and always impeccable. Her singing sounds so simple, authentic and natural, that is what a real talent does! And her extremely pure pianissimi are irresistible... ;-)
OperaBR 4 years ago 6
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Unique timbre ? Gencer voice just lacked timbre and she had little sound.Singing natural ? Her singing was to push and to push, she barked !and her notes on forte were asolutely screechy and her voice was small and ill !
moreno2394 4 years ago
moreno2394, you might be wrong. Cause she had unique pianissimi(also known as "gencerato")and great bel-canto technique. And she still has. Believe me even she is over her 80s. Do me a favour and listen her La Gioconda aria. Then we talk about little sounds, o.k? But thanks anyway.
maomettoII 4 years ago 4
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maomettoll: You don't know anything about voices and registers.Leyla Gencer was UNABLE to sing La Gioconda, too heavy for her.Gencer had NO great power, her voice was small and she had NO FFF high notes (she had NO fortissimo)
moreno2394 4 years ago
We are talking about singing, you might have different opinion. Unfortunately I do know about voices and registers. But it would be really unnecessary to discuss about something we will never agree. Anyway thanks for writing those personal memories.
maomettoII 4 years ago 2
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NO luxurious tone at all.Are you joking ? If Leyla Gencer voice was small, had little sound and her instrument was of the worst quality, a mediocre and ill voice
moreno2394 4 years ago
Yes, a mediocre and ill voice that sang Aida, Norma, Anna Bolena, Tosca and almost all famous difficult roles in most of the great Opera Houses in the world. That's quite weird... In fact, I think YOUR EARS must be ill, because I can't believe 99% of the Opera fans would be wrong in worshipping this woman even if she NEVER had a huge hype favoring her.
OperaBR 4 years ago 6
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You are an alienist ? Gencer sang in provincial Italy theaters with third rate casts, the only main house she sang was LaScala BUT She was "second donna" of ordinary sopranos even ! Ligabue, Stella, etc
moreno2394 4 years ago
Um, she sang at Vienna State, San Fransisco Opera, Covent Garden, Rome, Naples, Verona, Florence, etc. Gencer had quite a substantial voice. It was not small whatsoever- it's just, in a period when most sang f, ff, and fff, she chose to follow the dynamic markings written by the composer.
You mistaken barking with effective scatto. No great power? Second donna? Hm. You can't sing Normas, Elisabettas, Aidas, Lady Macbeths, Forzas, Vespris, etc at La Scala, the way she did, and be mediocre.
VivaMariaCallas 4 years ago 7
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She sang all in ppp, because she had no fff.I had told it before she sang many times at LaScala as second donna.For example only one Forza perf in 1961 as Antonietta Stella second donna, the only important thing she did there was '65 Norma and because she was Gavazzenni's lover.
moreno2394 4 years ago
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In 1965 again she sang last perf of Ilva Ligabue run of Forzas there.Gencer was one of the most pathetic singer ever existed.Her voice was not only small, also had very little sound and her singing was a disaster, she can be called the anti-singer absolutely
moreno2394 4 years ago
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Her stage presence was awful at all.She looks like a maid , this clip shows it well, she was very unatractive, no charisma no personality, an average and awful woman
moreno2394 4 years ago
She's got a luxurious tone and silky pianissimo. What I also appreciate is her sense of vulnerability and deep insight in the character.
operaoaf 4 years ago 2
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The worst voice ever heard, a mediocre and ill voice.Filthy stage presence.Gencer was very cheap
moreno2394 4 years ago