@gluemuncher1986 bro, do you have anything better to do than go on a video stream where people seek their own comfort and enlightenment just to say you guys are stupid?
@kubrox91 I did not say anyone was stupid, I said fuck religion. Oh, that's right. Your parents brainwashed you and made you think that if you say the F-word, Jesus will kill you.
@kubrox91 But now that you mention it, there is one group whom I would like to say is stupid. Catholics are messed up in the head. It's funny how they use money to build giant cathedrals and not give a dime to the poor. And you people think that God lives in a church? God is the very OPPOSITE of dressing in flashy expensive clothes, calling yourself "Father" and doing rituals that do absolutely NOTHING. Anyone care to justify yourselves? Or are you too busy living the laws of man and not of God?
@gluemuncher1986 there is the concept of the beauty of the church. we would like to build a tangible thing that can remind us of God's beauty. likewise, we engage in actions OUTSIDE the church to show God's beauty, such as mother theresa helping the sick and dying in india, people becoming ordained and taking vows of celibacy and poverty to teach young people, and other such things. God's presence is in a church. rituals are symbols in action . Christ created the priesthood, a medium between God
@kubrox91 Jesus even said things about high "priests" that weren't very good. Saying how they were beautiful tombs that were white washed and pretty, but inside there are dead bodies and skeletons. Yet you continue heading the words of the Pope, and practically worshipping him. Thank God that Martin Luther stood up to that.
@gluemuncher1986 i don't think they're automatically good just because of their positions. it doesn't make them immaculate as you think i believe. Yes, thank God Luther made us rethink everything, indeed.
@kubrox91 Ok, it seems that we have reached some agreeable talk. But I just want to say that Catholics do many things that Jesus himself warned his people about in the Bible. Even in non-Catholic churches, people are still led astray by things that are not important in the eyes of God.
@gluemuncher1986 then we will simply agree to disagree. my last argument is simply the members of the clergy sitting down in a conference and debating everything, determining what is best. peace out.
@gluemuncher1986 actually, i'd say sometimes you do, considering we have nutjobs like fred phelps assuring that God hates everybody and that every tragedy in the world is God's anger.
@kubrox91 Well who is man? And what authority do they have over God? People should take the words of God literally - in the New Testament. But people don't like the fact that they might actually have to give money to the poor, or confess the word of God to people that despise them.
@gluemuncher1986 thanks for clarifying the new testament as literal, i was just retyping martin sheen's speech from west wing in there. Old Testament's a little iffy. I don't mind giving money to the poor, or confessing. And yes, I should work on being able to speak freely about my beliefs, since my pride gets in my way, fearing i will be labeled as a judgemental fundie who rejects the earth's roundness.
@gluemuncher1986 My friend, if God were not a religion none of us wouldn't have any sense of morals. God is supreme being for a reason; His Wisdom, His Love, His Power is greater than any man. You may not believe in Him, but you at least believe in his ways. In fact, just by doing the "good" things that your parents or any others that have taught you, you are preaching his ways. All you have to do is unwrap the blindfolds that you so much refuse to remove to see the Light.
The anti p0PeS no longer require souls to convert straight away and the anti P0pEs
are NOT showing Catholic Charity by telling everyone (like St Paul) to convert OR BURN . THAT "is" Catholic charity Sir . Not Newq Order "ecumenism" of NO return !
JP2 kissed evil Qurans and prays with snake charmers ? Yep he evn drank from the cup of pagans ! B16 was Baptized by Pagans I have the actual picture !
B16 prays with Infadel Mulsims while saying little about Israeli war crimes .?
Sir you are in a fake Catholic sect called New Order (Novus Ordo) Bishop Sheen retired rather than say the New Order mess so I did not expect to see him speaking so well of JP2 . The sect you claim to be Catholic allows pro aborts like Kennedy, Ferrrio and many others as members in good standing. Kennedy even got a big send off in a Basilica ! I'm happy to NOT be a part of your sect . Your p0PE "esteems false reigions" learn your faith ! That's heresy OR St. Pope Pius X was wrong ?
Pope John was a liberal modernist who open the doors of the church to the world .
Now your sect accepts Jews and Mulisms and nobody needs to convert . Your sect is just another "religion' among many . B16 will soon pray with them all at Assisi .
@GabeLogin The question should be explain how Antipope JohnXXIII can be a pope. And Sheen the evil apostate is nothing but a wolf in sheeps clothes. A wolf because he promotes the evil doctrine of ardent ecumenism, see his autobiography Treasure in Clay ( before you respond) a sheep because he acts like a conservative Catholic. Simply diabolical.
@Catholic710 u need serious help. Bishop Sheen gave tons of money to the poor. I am so glad i am catholic, people like u r amazing, too catholic for the pope hey? mite as well b atheist
@PInk77W1 Hopefully you will seek the truth. I am faithful to EXACTY what the Catholic Church has defined infallibly in regards to faith and morals. Since Pius IX 1878 the doctrine of Cathoilic teaching is exactly opposite. Sheen was a bold heretic (read his book)
All the truths of religion proceed from the innate strength of human reason; hence reason is the ultimate standard by which man can and ought to arrive at the knowledge of all truths of every kind. CONDEMNED Pius IX, 1846 AD
@PInk77W1 Sheen was clearly a ardent ecumenist. This has been condemned over and over. In regards to almsgiving, dont be fooled. Outside of the Catholic Church there is no salvation period. Please everyone seek the truth, it dosent matter if you have prophesised, gave alms, or cast out devils, if that person is seperated from the unity of the Church he is lost. "I have never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.(Matt 7 :23)" For by the fruit, the tree is known". (Matt 12:33)
@Catholic710 My friend, hate sin and love thy sinners. Fulton Sheen tries to bring people together because then the Word of God may be spread among them. All people have the potential to become what God made them to be, whether or not they believe in Him. And you say he's a conservative Catholic because HE PRESERVES AND PREACHES THE TRUTH AND WISDOM OF GOD? What else must you say?
@h4nnib4lbe4n Please read Treasure in Clay, Sheens autobiography.
Pope Pius IX, Syllabus of errors:Man may, in the observance of any religion whatever, find the way of eternal salvation, and arrive at eternal salvation.CONDEMNED!
Sheen taught that outside of the Catholic Church there is salvation. We hope and pray for their conversation, Conservatism was an act of Sheen.
But the things which proceed out of the mouth, come forth from the heart, and those things defile a man (Matt 15:18)
Pope John XXIII's problem was that he embraced other religions instead of aiming to convert them to Catholicism. The same error was adopted by Popes Paul VI and John Paul II
@george300372 He embraced them not in acceptance of beliefs but in true Christian Charity in love for all men so that they might see how the Christians do shine as a light to the world meeting their enemies and non-belivers with open arms outstretched in love. Whats wrong with that?
@george300372 Yes that is modernism . Benny says " The ecumenism of the return is no more " "nobody needs to turn their back on their "faith history" so a Hindue can still worship his cows . Worse yet in that New Order sect they allow people who are pro abortion to hand out "communion" from a gay priest dressed 3 days a year in the rainbow flag vestments . New Order "is" the abomination of desolation and they have hijacked Catholicism and "esteem" the U.N. ?
John XXIII also played no small part in ending the Cuban Missile Crisis, quite possibly saving half of mankind.
I refuse to blame Pope John for what happened. His intention wasn't to warp the mass into something unreasonably different; just to make it easier for people of other lands to understand it.
However, since then, many people blew his decisions WAY out of context. Anyone who claims to support "the SPIRIT of Vatican II" is probably a heretic in disguise.
No True Christian Hate Homosexuals. But rather they hate what they do, or what they have become. Obviously, everyone in general cannot have the same rights, since some have committed crimes, and therefore have some rights taken from them.
Homosexuality is not a crime though. Your bible might say so, but your bible is full of ignorance and myths. Everything in the bible is either astro-theological or metaphorical.
No matter what you say about gays, at lease they're real... unlike your God. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! You fool.
It is Often that people deny God, not because He doesn't exist, but rather He is viewed as an obstacle to what their intent or views are. If God forbids adultery, and one wants to commit adultery, that person simply denies the existence of God, so as to remove the obstacle that stands in the way of the person's evil inclinations.
Orrrrrr... because people find the idea of a God totally illogical and naive. God is a crutch for weak minded people. You fear the unknown... you fear anything beyond the human mind's limits... you fear so you fall back on faith for comfort.
Just because someone is unknown that doesn't mean He is nonexistent. You do admit that there is something or someone beyond the human mind's limit to comprehend; someone to fear. You are a believer.
@GabeLogin Haha, no... I don't believe there is "someone to fear" nor am I a believer. When the idea of a God was created (by man) it was waaaaaay before modern science existed. People didn't even know the world was round or why it rains. Yet, somehow... naive people of today still believe in this crap because of a "passing down" of brainwashing... generation-to-generation. Derrrrrr.
@littlenickyn Modern Science is not even capable of explaining the origin of the universe. When Darwinism existed, scientists had no idea that the cell is so much complex as we know it today. Nowadays, when a professor teaches creationism at some university, he/she gets fired
@littlenickyn Of course because we are so intelligent today. We have tried to become like God with science and all, instead of used it as a tool given to us by God. Yet we try to grasp equality with God. The devil did the same back many years ago, when he was still an angel, God's favorite, and we all know what happened to him. HUMILITY my friend, HUMILITY,
there is nothing logical or rational about atheism
1. there is no evidence for God, he does not exist (plead to ignorance)
2. there are "contradictions" in the Bible, God does not exist (how does this prove God does not exist, it may bring his perfection into question, but not his existnece. Also, that epends also on one's interpirtation)
3. problem of evil (a result of Humans free choices, not Gods creation, also, this again does not disprove God).
wrogo! you can't reply to any of these and i believe that I have prettty much pin pointed the problem with atheist "logic" which you have yet to refute LOGICALLY so... yeah
You have no reason to believe in your fictitious god besides "faith" which is ridiculous. People hate to think that nothing happens after death, so religion comforts them. If I have faith that a magical golden dragon that speaks French lives in my bathtub, does that make it logical to believe exists? Exact same thing. face it, you're brain washed.
- Research cosmic evolution and human evolution when you get a chance buddy.
Nothing can contradict the existence of God because "God" it's completely illogical in 1st place. Evolution has been proven on the micro level, and there is much evidence that supports macro. They also found a missing somewhat recently which is going to help the evolution case tremendously. There isn't 1 single intelligent decision to believe in your fairy tale. Think about it... use your brain.
I've done quite a bit of research on so-called cosmic evolution, but there's still no evidence to support the notion that nothingness can evolve into somethingness, particularly since matter can't have any linear creation or destruction, and yet, according to Professor Albert Einstein, the universe is finite, judging by the age of the light reaching us from the outer expanse of the universe. This paradox has yet to be explained by anything other than God.
@mytruepower2 It's beyond the limits of our minds to understand everything... which is why man invented the idea of GOD... so they'd have an answer.
People who say "what came before the universe" is the same as me asking you "if everything is created, who/what created God?" It's the same thing... you can't answer it.
I most certainly can. In fact, Professor Steven Hawking himself has done so, so I defer to him. He says that at some point in the past, matter came into being. Therefore, there was once a universe without matter, but without matter, there would be no gravity, and therefore, no charable space, time, or, as such, causality as we know it. Therefore, any creator, if it were matterless, would not require a root cause. Thomas Aquinas said much the same. Look it up.
@mytruepower2 The thought of creationism formed way before modern science existed. Micro evolution has been proven, and they keep finding "missing links"... and macro evo isn't proven yet, but will be in time I'm sure. The story of jesus is almost the exact same as many other religions had before Christianity existed, it's all astro-theology. How can creationist ignore these things?
You're simply incorrect about Jesus. No other story is even remotely similar to his, except those which followed after, attempting to mimic his success. Furthermore, the church does not deny microevolution, nor would it deny macroevolution if it were ever established as fact. However, existence needs an origin point, and claiming that it's beyond our understanding is like saying that people have to live with having no explanation, when a viable one is available.
@mytruepower2 Mythra, Krishna, Attis,... and the Egyptian God Horus (and there's several more), all have almost exact stories. Horus and Krishna were not born from a virgin, but everything else it close to identical. All these stories including Jesus are fictional and based on astro-theology. Research this and you'll find I'm correct.
Look, I know mythology, and all of those figures you mentioned are far cries from Jesus. There are some slight similarities in their birth methods, but only one seemed to even have a death at all. Most were supernatural and impressive in all ways from birth on, and not a single one ever sacrificed their own life to free people from their sins, much less came back transfigured. Further, not one claimed to be fully human. Your logic is abysmal.
@mytruepower2 - - Crucified, died then was resurrected, performed miracles, born on Dec 25th... several were "born of a virgin" and had 12 disciples. Also, all of these stories are astro-theological based. Slight similarities? Umm...
How can you NOT consider Jesus and God "supernatural & mythological" yet consider all other creationist religions so? None of them have any evidence, which means no more or else than the others.
I think you misinterpreted what I said. I never said that God wasn't supernatural; just that Jesus, as God, confined himself mostly to human capabilities, except for a few miracles and some special insight during his ministry.
As for the notion that there is no evidence of Christ, that claim is almost laughable. Roman records of the time, reinforced by greek records, reinforced by hebrew records all establish his existence. Plus, he was recorded in the roman census.
This should be enough for any reasonable man whose mind is open to evidence of facts, even when he doesn't like to hear them, but there is more, of course. The prevalence of the church, the apparitions of the blessed mother, the miracle of the sun, the stigmata, the otherwise-unaccountable successes and miracles of too many saints to count, the unbroken papal line of the catholic church, and most recently, the bleeding host. These things are precious pearls.
Lastly, none of the figures you mentioned were crucified as such, nor were they born on December the 25th. Neither was Jesus, for that matter. Christmas is not Jesus' birthday. It's only the commemoration of the nativity.
Here's the real scoop. Right now, there's a lot of lying going on, even in schools, about other religions supposedly prefiguring christianity, but those religions don't stand up to critical, historical scrutiny. The bible, mostly, does.
@mytruepower2 And there isn't lying going on by the churches?
Perhaps not EVERYONE of them were crucified, but I know Krishna was crucified and had an almost identical story. Eitherway, whether or not you believe Jesus was a real man... how can you actually believe he did things like walked on water, was resurrected, turned water into wine, ect??? Wouldn't it make more sense (if he was real) to believe those things are metaphors?
You're right to say that there is some lying going on in individual churches. However, the official church teachings themselves are not lies.
The miracles of Jesus make much more sense than the nature of his ministry, honestly. I mean, he said that he was the son of God. Imagine that. The son of God. He also helped the poor and sick, so he was clearly a good man. However, making a claim like that either denotes a lie, madness or the truth. Was he a liar or madman?
But if you really want to touch on miracles, well... We now have video evidence of miracles truly happening for the first time in human history, so we know they exist. Also, I'm inclined to believe it when a sinful, secular, anticlerical, atheistic culture suddenly has a massive conversion, citing a miracle as the reason.
If Jesus was being honest in any sense, then his miracles make the most sense of all, because we are all called to a supernatural life as well.
One last thing about this. I have to point out Hebrew culture at the time as a piece of evidence. These were people who were VERY close to their religion. Since birth, they were taught the law of moses, and that prophets of the lord were recognized through miraculous signs.
I simply can't believe that such fiercely-pius individuals would be willing to buy into Jesus' teachings, without some sign or miracle. It'd be like half of Boston being converted by a street-preacher.
@mytruepower2 Scientology started as a very small movement... and it's not huge, unfortunately... and still growing. I think this is how all major religions grew. Step by step... small cult to massiveness.
Well, in a sense, you're right. Every religion starts with just one or two guys, who, through predictions, miracles, good deeds or brute force, convince others to join their religion. That's how it's always been. Moses' role in helping establish judaism can be pretty well-described in this way. The thing is, Moses made a pretty big impression on his people; weilding power like nothing that they'd ever seen. The same is true of Jesus.
However, the rise of scientology was very different in nature, because the social and religious climate of the time was very different. It arose in a time when people had tried to combine a mishmash of religions into one society, essentially having to devalue them all, in order to imply that they had equal value. In that religious near-void, scientology was created, because the rich and powerful, like those in hollywood, needed a religion to support their hedonism.
Christianity came into existence when established religions were distinctly separate and strongly believed-in by their followers. It spread mainly through the ranks of the poor at first, who carried it on, refusing to deny their faith, even when the romans began to execute them for it. Scientology would never have survived in ancient rome.
If you don't believe me on this, study protestantism over the course of the last seventy years. The number of protestant denominations has multiplied by a huge amount over the course of the last 50 years alone. The truth is, when people treat religions as if they have no real value, it encourages people to design their own religions, to conform to their own system of beliefs, social status or community. The same can't be said for a society with a strongly-established religion.
Not everything needs to be created, I never said this, an this should not be assumed. The universe was necessarily created because it is not eternal and had a beginning and could not have caused itself. If you ask this of God Who Created God, why stopt there, this causes an ifinite regression and thus no beginning to anything.
There are theories of multi-verses which caused infinity. You can't argue saying "infinite" to support God, since I can say the same think about the scientific side. Face it, you're beliefs are naive. You fail to answer any of my questions because you can't.
PS: It's funny how majority of conservative Christians live in the south east USA (TX and east of there... which also is the area that tests lowest academically in our country.
Also, creationism would have to side with intellegent design... which is flawed. Why do men nipples if humans are all predetermined by a god? And why do we have such similar DNA as apes? Oh I know! We evolved! ;)
Another thing to look up is the fact that the story of Jesus is astrotheological.
If everything must be created, who created your god? (besides that man made him up, lol!). You can't say he was always there because you could say that about the Universe.
You've just said two completely opposite things. Fear of the unknown, and of things beyond mankind are what motivate atheists, not catholics. The difference is that atheists want to believe that they are the supreme beings, while catholics are willing to accept the evidence put in front of them that there are beings greater than them. The reason that people have for turning to God in faith is partly that the notion of mankind's chaos being absolute is intolerable.
@littlenickyn Yes and it comforts me, who will comfort you on your death bed? NO Atheist ever goes quietly AND I REPEAT NO ATHEIST EVER DIES WITHOUT FEARING FOR HIS SOUL.
@GabeLogin That person lies to himself . They all believe in God . God said so . I am so bummed to see this video . I had never seen Bishop Sheen say anything like this before how sad .
I kniw he only said the real Mass and never said the new . Why was he so happy about protestants making the New Oder mess ? He was happy there were snake charmers and wiccans ? This is not a catholic opinion . Hopefully he just slippd here . I pray to God
Actually, no you are wrong, our bible does not hate gays, it simply condems homosexual activity. HUGE difference. Tell me this, suppose God is real, what would you say to him when you meet Him face to face?
Homosexuality (as defined as the act of two people of the same gender trying to have sex with each other) is an abuse of human dignity, because it relegates the sexual functions of the body to mere tools for human pleasure, reducing man to nothing more than a savage beast. Beasts seek pleasure first, even above the bare neccesities, but man has the freedom to choose otherwise! If you believe that man is more than a beast, you must deny homosexuality.
@littlenickyn you seem to like promoting evil and perverting truth, so you think you are God that you can decide anything you want, well good luck with that. Now get off this channel, leave us discuss Archbishop sheen alone! Go to some crack house!
If we hated them we would let them marry, but if we did that there would be chaos! God himself stated that Homosexual acts are intrinsically evil so ask God to stop the Hate not the Church, the Church just delivers the message and will and Cant not change them!
Exactly! Your "Christian God" stated. But not everyone believes in your fictitious God. It's rather silly.
Why do you follow Christianity and your God versus other religions? Same ZERO evidence amongst them all. If you were raised in the middle east, chances are pretty good you'd be a die hard Muslim. Think about it.
wait......even Islam views Homosexualtiy as evil. You are right and I agree that If I wad born I would most likely have been Muslim but if they would allow people to read and study for themselves it is clearly evident that Catholicism is so real that it all fits into place like a jigsaw puzzle. Scientific evidence also exists that Jesus was real. Several other miracles have occurred and man can't but tries to explain them.
OMG, you're ignorant! Zero evidence exists that even states Jesus was a real person. The story of Jesus is all astro-theological, it's obvious. I'm not going to debate with you about gays or anything else, you're too brainwashed and naive to debate with me. I believe in EQUALITY. Obvioulsy you don't. If someone is gay or a non-christian you think they're wrong based off of your bias simple minded thoughts.
You stating "I WIN" just make it more obvious that you haven't. If you had "won", there wouldn't be any need to state that, 'cause it would be obvious to anyone reading.
@littlenickyn: Yet, why did the first christians die for a thought and a lie? What about the graffiti found in Rome in the first century that mention Mary the mother of Jesus... and what about all the miracles that have happened.. The miracle of Fatima, and the Miracle of Lanciano. Wouldnt it be possible that God is infinite and that God is total conciousness? I mean you mention your belief in multiverses.. yet, what started it all?
@RockyBalboa211 I believe the human mind has limits as far as understanding science, mathematics, universe, ect. Somewhere out there I'd bet there are aliens who are several hundreds times more intelligent/advanced than humans. Us trying to fully understand the universe and our the origins of life would be like us explaining how a TV works to a cockroach... because our minds can't handle the complexities.
PS: Any miracle you read of can't be proven, it's folklore.
I don't personally believe that a nation can survive if it promotes equality for everyone. We are at war in America currently; an idealogical war between absolute equality between everyone, and equal opportunity for everyone. Absolute equality denies the freedom of man to decide upon his own conduct. Equal opportunity for everyone exalts that freedom. One way or another, everyone must choose which side of this conflict they will be on.
I'm not gay... so this isn't bias... and I think gays should be able to get married. Creationists including Christians are every simple minded... and all religion should be separated from government. THE END
1. "Unless the lord lays the foundation, in vain do the laborers work." Our country will never get back on track, unless we return to the roots of all western civilization, and accept that Jesus is God, and his wisdom exceeds our own.
2. According to the truth of the catholic church, the state is incapable of establishing a marraige union between two people. Only God can unite man and woman, and if you're going to make gay "marraige" legal, then what's stopping poligamy too?
I understand it just fine. What you have to understand about the faith, however, is that it is incompatable with atheistic dogma, laws or societies. It is not possible for christians to live fulfilling lives in a society which embraces "religious and ethical diversity," because to the christian, that's called rampant heresy. Worse yet, it's rampant heresy that can, at any moment, be forced upon christians by law. No society can accomodate christians, except a christian one.
@littlenickyn Who cares if you are gay? Like I said, be gay, start your own church and get "married". I have no reason to change believes just because you say so, nor should you ever ask such a thing from me. What the Goverment does Is also none of my business, if they decide to let them marry, fine. As long as gays don't ask to get married in a Catholic Church that's fine for me. They are still not married in my book nor would I consider that a real marriage, but you get the Idea, good bye...
@littlenickyn Equal rights? Have I missed something? Don't gays already have plenty of rights? I see them everywhere and no one cares about them, either. You can be gay and whatever you like, but when It comes to my faith you have absolutely no say In It. You are in no position to determine what is right and what is wrong. It has no meaning whatsoever and is none of your business, you go either be gay or catholic. We're not a shoeshop, where you can choose and pick whichever shoe fits your sole.
@rejazeze I'm not even gay and I'm all for them getting married, but... you think Catholics would 100% be for gay marriage since it appears that many priests are secretly gay these days. Maybe that's why they're OK with never getting married to a woman. Just a theory. ;)
You're right. Even the catholic church states that homosexual-leaning people have all the rights that heterosexual-leaning people do. In fact, they honor the challenge that such people face. They just don't believe that marraige or sex are rights, so much as blessings and gifts from almighty God; gifts to be accepted only under the terms that God dictates.
When I was 9 years old, my mother gave me a book on the life of Pope John XXIII. Although we are not Catholic, she believed it was important that I learned about him. I am now 47 years old. I still have the book. Pope John XXIII was a beautiful man. I also believe that Bishop Sheen was one of the wisest and most effective communicators of the 20th Century. I, too, enjoy his Life Is Worth Living programs.
That is very very very difficult. In order to be saved outside the Church one needs to be a person who has never heard of Christ and thus doesn't know Christ existed then there is a possibility of that person being saved. St.Luigi Maria de monfort once stated "if you knew the number of the elect you would faint at such a small figure" But this is not to make us think that we are good for nothing and lost souls, but to help us realize that we need to work harder
The notion is that only people belonging to the church can reach heaven, but that there are many ways to "belong," and that God does not pass judgment on people due to the circumstances of their life alone. People just have to do their best to learn about the true faith, to follow God, and to avoid sin, and exhibit penitence when they do sin. Even if a person HAS heard of the church, and deeply wanted to be part of it, but just never had the chance, heaven is not barred to them.
Would you people just listen to what he says about Pope John talking to that death row prisoner, and how a simple statement got the prisoner to turn around and hug him?
Whether we are Protestant or Catholic actually doesn't matter; they're just labels. Whether we love like that and walk in God's own compassion is what matters.
That seems like a lovely thing to say, but I can't really agree. I don't want to sound condemnatory, but it isn't possible for one who believes a lie and refuses to be part of Christ's Mystical Body, the Universal (Catholic) Church, to be saved. As Boniface VIII infallibly determined: "We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff" (Unam Sanctam).
The "it actually really matter, they're just laberls" perspective is, itself, a Protestant perspective, not a Catholic one. Therefore, normally, Protestants, just like Arians, Nestorians, Manichaens, Gnostics, and every other heresy in church history, cannot be considered "just a label", as if "one who protests against Catholics" and "Catholic" could every mean the same thing. They are diametrically opposed.
That is what the Church teaches. It is an infallible teaching that there is no salvation outside the Church, and there are not many ways to heaven--there is only one way which is the Catholic Church.
he does not deserve heaven, just as unbaptised infants do not deserve it. No one deserves it--it is a gift from God, not a right. Will he go to hell? I cannot say who goes to heaven and who to tell, but he certainly will not go to heaven a Protestant. Perhaps in his last hour God's grace will work in him, for we do have example from the saints of such miraculous conversions. But Protestanism is not a means of salvation--only grace is, and thus those without it do not merit heaven, but hell.
It's a little evangelistic for me but the story is true to the word. Assess your audience I suppose. Americans are somewhat unnecessarily dramatic day to day.
Evangelism is simply stating the word of God, so if you reject evangelism your in a way rejecting God. Sheen liked shakespeare and the art's. Being somewhat dramtic was his nature, his being, not so as a means for speaking the word of God. Although this helped portray the message. You can never be unnecessarily dramatic about life, thats like saying we can love too much.
protistants, they mock us when they dont know what they're mocking,feel sorry for them, dont hate them back, they are just ignorant in the true ways of God.
Jeus was an anarchist, the RC church is a communist association and it hates democracy. When a parent, laden with Catholic children, has to feed them,whether that parent is Vietnames, Irish or Russian, they must impose their will to render to each according to their needs. When Ho Chi Minh did this the RC Church, Diem and the US burned them to death... becasue they were 'communist'. This Jak-a-napes and his ilk did it..
This attack on Auguste Comte (the founder of Sociology) is a perfect lie. It is so much a lie that the Jesuits who owned the departments of Sociology in Irish 'Universities" , claimed, until lately, to be sociologists -- a thing which, as theologians, they could not be! Sheen is a phoney and I will prove it in less than 500 words
My father, when he picked up my mother when they were courting (back in the 50s) would notice my grandmother watching the good Bishop and quip, "Well, there's Batman!" Maybe the above poster was being sarcastic, but I think the cape enhances the handsome Bishop Sheen. What's wrong with leprechans? They're a sign of an Irish blessing, as the Bishop knows. So there!
Well, at least your mother left you with an open and humorous mind! And that in Ireland, where religion is concerned, is a marvellous exception. When I hear people saying what God said, I feel like cringing, for I know that some form of slavery follows!
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Where does the Catholic church get the authority to declare these men as Saints? The catholic church is filled up with error, falsities, and plain confusion, and destruction.
I used to be a Catholic, but not anymore. Popes are men, and have no power.
"Whatever you bound on Earth shall be bound in Heaven" it is declared by Jesus Christ "I tell you the Truth, Heaven and Earth will pass away but my words will not"
Her authority comes from the only one who can give it to her: God. Popes are men and we do not believe otherwise. Dont get it confused, the church recognizes santity but she does not decide -as if she were God- the salvation or the condemnation of the souls. Saints are men, blessed with a "carisma", who consegrated their lives totally to God and who have entered in His glory. Do we doubt that the apostles are saints? where's the destruction and confusion really coming from? God bless
And yet if it wasn't for the Protestants (including Cromwell) you would neither have a vote, a Parliament,or a world in absolute violent crisis every where the Catholic Church promotes itself from Ireland to East Timor. My bet still stands! A pound to a penny, the Pope starts another war in China!
The ancient Church, later simply the Orthodox church, was ruling by collegiate, council, and a voting system long before any Protestants came into existence - in fact, the early apostles ruled by council and vote.
And if it weren't for Protestants, we wouldn't have sola scriptura, which gave birth to over 2500 "true versions" of Christianity, and led to Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses.
The dig at secular science and the attack on August Comte is still a lie. And the Protestants believe that they always were; that the Catholic Church just turned King's evidence on the Jews and overtaxed everyone when they got power. By the way, whatever the churches were before Constantine, they, too were wiped away with Gregorian reforms. The RC Church is an army of businessmen and warlords who have never got One Vote from the people!
Nothing was overturned. The Orthodox church has preserved the practices and customs of the early Church Fathers for thousands of years. It is true that the Catholic church moved away from some of this, but they had no power over the east. The Catholics excommunicated them in the 11th century and went their way. To say they were wiped away by Gregorian reforms is to speak ignorantly of church history, as if the only Christian world was western Europe.
It would be impossible for any one to take over the Church, the very design makes it impossible. It lives by the Ecumenical Councils, which declares that no bishop can go beyond his own borders. The Pope of Rome, who is to us a Bishop, would not be able to control any one.
Incidentally, you've changed your story. First you said the Church was undone at the Gregorian Reforms in the 11th Century, now you claim that the Church is being undone now. Do you sincerely know what you're talking about?
The cult of Mary and of the dead saints was not part of the original Church. It started after pagans in the hundreds of thousands flocked to the Church after Christianity became the favored (later: only allowed) religion in the Roman Empire.
I think you are confusing the cult of Mary in the west and veneration of the Virgin Mary (Theotokos) in the east. Mary was venerated and called the Theotokos ("God-bearer") as early as the 3rd Century AD, and Saint Athanasius of Alexandria spoke of her in that way. When the Church labeled her as such at the Third Ecumenical Council in 431, it was in response to heresy. They were fighting paganism, not the other way around. As for the saints, church members had been venerated since Polycarp.
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So you do not pray to Mary, like the papists do?
I have not encountred anything about "venerating" (in the sense you use that word) dead saints. Oh, yes, martyrs have been HONORED and held up as rolemodels since the very first days of the Church, yes. But not prayed to. That is a relatively "new" phenomenon.
Look up the word "venerated" in the dictionary. One of the words most commonly compared to it is "honored". The two words are one and the same. (one dictionary example says "The World War II memorial venerated the fallen heroes"). The Saints are simply role models, men and women who have shown us how a human can achieve God's grace. Nobody prays TO them, but prays WITH them. In the Bible you can find examples of humans interceding or praying for the people, and helping their relationship to God.
I'm not sure if you're familiar with Church history or doctrine, but every single church which can trace its origins back to the apostles invokes the saints. This includes the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Oriental Orthodox Church, the Coptic Church, etc. etc.
I'm sure you ask your living friends to pray for you. Why not those who live with Christ in heaven, who are far closer to him than we are?
Are you aware the Jehovah's Witnesses make exactly the same claim about the Holy Trinity? And, it is just as plausible: there is a superficial resemblance between pagan triads and our God. There is also a superficial resemblance between asking our holy brothers in Christ to pray for us and many pagan gods.
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1. REMEMBER CHRIST IS GOD
2. OUR LADY, NOT THE "LORD OF THE BIBLE" IS IN THE TRINITY (FATIMA SECRET)
3. THE HOLY GHOST IS THE FATHER OF THE TRINITY (THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A CURSE / BAPTISM OF FIRE/SPIRITUAL MARK OF THE BEAST)
4. THE "COMING" JEWISH JESUS IS THE JUDEO-MASONIC MESSIAH. DO NOT BOW DOWN.
THESE ARE THE FOUR PILLARS OF KNOWLEDGE
FATIMAMOVEMENT d o t c o m
And that is how you defeat the Illuminati, by preserving the keys of St. Peter that have been stolen over 1700 years!!!
fatimamovement 3 months ago
Fuck religion.
gluemuncher1986 6 months ago in playlist God
@gluemuncher1986 bro, do you have anything better to do than go on a video stream where people seek their own comfort and enlightenment just to say you guys are stupid?
kubrox91 3 months ago
@kubrox91 I did not say anyone was stupid, I said fuck religion. Oh, that's right. Your parents brainwashed you and made you think that if you say the F-word, Jesus will kill you.
gluemuncher1986 3 months ago
@kubrox91 But now that you mention it, there is one group whom I would like to say is stupid. Catholics are messed up in the head. It's funny how they use money to build giant cathedrals and not give a dime to the poor. And you people think that God lives in a church? God is the very OPPOSITE of dressing in flashy expensive clothes, calling yourself "Father" and doing rituals that do absolutely NOTHING. Anyone care to justify yourselves? Or are you too busy living the laws of man and not of God?
gluemuncher1986 3 months ago
@gluemuncher1986 there is the concept of the beauty of the church. we would like to build a tangible thing that can remind us of God's beauty. likewise, we engage in actions OUTSIDE the church to show God's beauty, such as mother theresa helping the sick and dying in india, people becoming ordained and taking vows of celibacy and poverty to teach young people, and other such things. God's presence is in a church. rituals are symbols in action . Christ created the priesthood, a medium between God
kubrox91 3 months ago
@kubrox91 Jesus even said things about high "priests" that weren't very good. Saying how they were beautiful tombs that were white washed and pretty, but inside there are dead bodies and skeletons. Yet you continue heading the words of the Pope, and practically worshipping him. Thank God that Martin Luther stood up to that.
gluemuncher1986 3 months ago
@gluemuncher1986 i don't think they're automatically good just because of their positions. it doesn't make them immaculate as you think i believe. Yes, thank God Luther made us rethink everything, indeed.
kubrox91 3 months ago
@kubrox91 Ok, it seems that we have reached some agreeable talk. But I just want to say that Catholics do many things that Jesus himself warned his people about in the Bible. Even in non-Catholic churches, people are still led astray by things that are not important in the eyes of God.
gluemuncher1986 3 months ago
@gluemuncher1986 then we will simply agree to disagree. my last argument is simply the members of the clergy sitting down in a conference and debating everything, determining what is best. peace out.
kubrox91 3 months ago
@kubrox91 Debating what? Politics or the Word of God? Because there is no debating the Word of God.
gluemuncher1986 3 months ago
@gluemuncher1986 debating rituals, i mean.
kubrox91 3 months ago
@gluemuncher1986 actually, i'd say sometimes you do, considering we have nutjobs like fred phelps assuring that God hates everybody and that every tragedy in the world is God's anger.
kubrox91 3 months ago
@kubrox91 Well who is man? And what authority do they have over God? People should take the words of God literally - in the New Testament. But people don't like the fact that they might actually have to give money to the poor, or confess the word of God to people that despise them.
gluemuncher1986 3 months ago
@gluemuncher1986 thanks for clarifying the new testament as literal, i was just retyping martin sheen's speech from west wing in there. Old Testament's a little iffy. I don't mind giving money to the poor, or confessing. And yes, I should work on being able to speak freely about my beliefs, since my pride gets in my way, fearing i will be labeled as a judgemental fundie who rejects the earth's roundness.
kubrox91 3 months ago
@kubrox91 Yes! That is what I like to hear from others.
gluemuncher1986 3 months ago
@gluemuncher1986 this has come quite far from you original statement fuck religion and in particular catholics. at least we clarified everything.
kubrox91 3 months ago
@kubrox91 Well, God is not religion. So I'm not too worried.
gluemuncher1986 3 months ago
@gluemuncher1986 My friend, if God were not a religion none of us wouldn't have any sense of morals. God is supreme being for a reason; His Wisdom, His Love, His Power is greater than any man. You may not believe in Him, but you at least believe in his ways. In fact, just by doing the "good" things that your parents or any others that have taught you, you are preaching his ways. All you have to do is unwrap the blindfolds that you so much refuse to remove to see the Light.
h4nnib4lbe4n 1 month ago
@gluemuncher1986 continued: and man. the robes are signs of God's beauty. sure they bug me, i'm human. Dude, just quit being obnoxious.
kubrox91 3 months ago
What Good words from a beautiful man of God Speaking about Blessed Papa John XX!!!.
jp2ily 8 months ago
The anti p0PeS no longer require souls to convert straight away and the anti P0pEs
are NOT showing Catholic Charity by telling everyone (like St Paul) to convert OR BURN . THAT "is" Catholic charity Sir . Not Newq Order "ecumenism" of NO return !
JP2 kissed evil Qurans and prays with snake charmers ? Yep he evn drank from the cup of pagans ! B16 was Baptized by Pagans I have the actual picture !
B16 prays with Infadel Mulsims while saying little about Israeli war crimes .?
Hmmmmm
SAYYOURROSARY 10 months ago
Sir you are in a fake Catholic sect called New Order (Novus Ordo) Bishop Sheen retired rather than say the New Order mess so I did not expect to see him speaking so well of JP2 . The sect you claim to be Catholic allows pro aborts like Kennedy, Ferrrio and many others as members in good standing. Kennedy even got a big send off in a Basilica ! I'm happy to NOT be a part of your sect . Your p0PE "esteems false reigions" learn your faith ! That's heresy OR St. Pope Pius X was wrong ?
SAYYOURROSARY 10 months ago
Pope John was a liberal modernist who open the doors of the church to the world .
Now your sect accepts Jews and Mulisms and nobody needs to convert . Your sect is just another "religion' among many . B16 will soon pray with them all at Assisi .
Total Apostasy !
SAYYOURROSARY 10 months ago
@SAYYOURROSARY this claim is obviously a clear fallacy
GabeLogin 10 months ago 5
I don't understand how you come to guess that he is a heretic
GabeLogin 10 months ago
@GabeLogin The question should be explain how Antipope JohnXXIII can be a pope. And Sheen the evil apostate is nothing but a wolf in sheeps clothes. A wolf because he promotes the evil doctrine of ardent ecumenism, see his autobiography Treasure in Clay ( before you respond) a sheep because he acts like a conservative Catholic. Simply diabolical.
Catholic710 2 months ago
@Catholic710 u need serious help. Bishop Sheen gave tons of money to the poor. I am so glad i am catholic, people like u r amazing, too catholic for the pope hey? mite as well b atheist
PInk77W1 2 months ago
@PInk77W1 Hopefully you will seek the truth. I am faithful to EXACTY what the Catholic Church has defined infallibly in regards to faith and morals. Since Pius IX 1878 the doctrine of Cathoilic teaching is exactly opposite. Sheen was a bold heretic (read his book)
All the truths of religion proceed from the innate strength of human reason; hence reason is the ultimate standard by which man can and ought to arrive at the knowledge of all truths of every kind. CONDEMNED Pius IX, 1846 AD
Catholic710 2 months ago
@PInk77W1 Sheen was clearly a ardent ecumenist. This has been condemned over and over. In regards to almsgiving, dont be fooled. Outside of the Catholic Church there is no salvation period. Please everyone seek the truth, it dosent matter if you have prophesised, gave alms, or cast out devils, if that person is seperated from the unity of the Church he is lost. "I have never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.(Matt 7 :23)" For by the fruit, the tree is known". (Matt 12:33)
Catholic710 2 months ago
@Catholic710 Jesus said "i have not seen this much faith n all of ISRAEL"
PInk77W1 2 months ago
@Catholic710 My friend, hate sin and love thy sinners. Fulton Sheen tries to bring people together because then the Word of God may be spread among them. All people have the potential to become what God made them to be, whether or not they believe in Him. And you say he's a conservative Catholic because HE PRESERVES AND PREACHES THE TRUTH AND WISDOM OF GOD? What else must you say?
h4nnib4lbe4n 1 month ago
@h4nnib4lbe4n Please read Treasure in Clay, Sheens autobiography.
Pope Pius IX, Syllabus of errors:Man may, in the observance of any religion whatever, find the way of eternal salvation, and arrive at eternal salvation.CONDEMNED!
Sheen taught that outside of the Catholic Church there is salvation. We hope and pray for their conversation, Conservatism was an act of Sheen.
But the things which proceed out of the mouth, come forth from the heart, and those things defile a man (Matt 15:18)
Catholic710 1 month ago
Pope John XXIII's problem was that he embraced other religions instead of aiming to convert them to Catholicism. The same error was adopted by Popes Paul VI and John Paul II
george300372 1 year ago
@george300372 are you a sedevacantist do you know about most holy family monastery
endtime471 1 year ago
@george300372 He embraced them not in acceptance of beliefs but in true Christian Charity in love for all men so that they might see how the Christians do shine as a light to the world meeting their enemies and non-belivers with open arms outstretched in love. Whats wrong with that?
bmccoy78 1 year ago
@george300372 Yes that is modernism . Benny says " The ecumenism of the return is no more " "nobody needs to turn their back on their "faith history" so a Hindue can still worship his cows . Worse yet in that New Order sect they allow people who are pro abortion to hand out "communion" from a gay priest dressed 3 days a year in the rainbow flag vestments . New Order "is" the abomination of desolation and they have hijacked Catholicism and "esteem" the U.N. ?
SAYYOURROSARY 10 months ago
God love you.
turntapzap 1 year ago
john XXIII was a mason, poor sheen,
nsolcis 1 year ago
Is this your opinion, or do you have facts backing up your statement? What are these sources?
swat316bradford1 1 year ago
Yea I'm sure this was right after he died .
I hope Bishop Sheen was O.K. but he did play along . He quit right after this and never said the New O-der mess .
so that's good , But he did not object later .
God only knows what he knew .
SAYYOURROSARY 2 years ago
It's a shame that Sheen descended into this encomium of John XXIII, the wrecker of Catholicism and architect of Vatican II.
richmond450 2 years ago
@richmond450
John XXIII also played no small part in ending the Cuban Missile Crisis, quite possibly saving half of mankind.
I refuse to blame Pope John for what happened. His intention wasn't to warp the mass into something unreasonably different; just to make it easier for people of other lands to understand it.
However, since then, many people blew his decisions WAY out of context. Anyone who claims to support "the SPIRIT of Vatican II" is probably a heretic in disguise.
mytruepower2 1 year ago
My wife should watch this vid in order to get wiser.... Very pleasant and unexpected end!
mrqsilveira 2 years ago
Equal rights for homosexuals, minorities and everyone in general!
STOP THE HATE!
littlenickyn 2 years ago
No True Christian Hate Homosexuals. But rather they hate what they do, or what they have become. Obviously, everyone in general cannot have the same rights, since some have committed crimes, and therefore have some rights taken from them.
GabeLogin 2 years ago
Homosexuality is not a crime though. Your bible might say so, but your bible is full of ignorance and myths. Everything in the bible is either astro-theological or metaphorical.
No matter what you say about gays, at lease they're real... unlike your God. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! You fool.
littlenickyn 2 years ago
It is Often that people deny God, not because He doesn't exist, but rather He is viewed as an obstacle to what their intent or views are. If God forbids adultery, and one wants to commit adultery, that person simply denies the existence of God, so as to remove the obstacle that stands in the way of the person's evil inclinations.
GabeLogin 2 years ago 8
Orrrrrr... because people find the idea of a God totally illogical and naive. God is a crutch for weak minded people. You fear the unknown... you fear anything beyond the human mind's limits... you fear so you fall back on faith for comfort.
OWNED!!!
littlenickyn 2 years ago
Just because someone is unknown that doesn't mean He is nonexistent. You do admit that there is something or someone beyond the human mind's limit to comprehend; someone to fear. You are a believer.
GabeLogin 2 years ago
@GabeLogin Haha, no... I don't believe there is "someone to fear" nor am I a believer. When the idea of a God was created (by man) it was waaaaaay before modern science existed. People didn't even know the world was round or why it rains. Yet, somehow... naive people of today still believe in this crap because of a "passing down" of brainwashing... generation-to-generation. Derrrrrr.
littlenickyn 1 year ago
@littlenickyn Modern Science is not even capable of explaining the origin of the universe. When Darwinism existed, scientists had no idea that the cell is so much complex as we know it today. Nowadays, when a professor teaches creationism at some university, he/she gets fired
GabeLogin 1 year ago
@littlenickyn Of course because we are so intelligent today. We have tried to become like God with science and all, instead of used it as a tool given to us by God. Yet we try to grasp equality with God. The devil did the same back many years ago, when he was still an angel, God's favorite, and we all know what happened to him. HUMILITY my friend, HUMILITY,
priest008 1 year ago
there is nothing logical or rational about atheism
1. there is no evidence for God, he does not exist (plead to ignorance)
2. there are "contradictions" in the Bible, God does not exist (how does this prove God does not exist, it may bring his perfection into question, but not his existnece. Also, that epends also on one's interpirtation)
3. problem of evil (a result of Humans free choices, not Gods creation, also, this again does not disprove God).
cheesemonkey1990 2 years ago
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littlenickyn 2 years ago
wrogo! you can't reply to any of these and i believe that I have prettty much pin pointed the problem with atheist "logic" which you have yet to refute LOGICALLY so... yeah
cheesemonkey1990 2 years ago
Wrogo! LOL!
You have no reason to believe in your fictitious god besides "faith" which is ridiculous. People hate to think that nothing happens after death, so religion comforts them. If I have faith that a magical golden dragon that speaks French lives in my bathtub, does that make it logical to believe exists? Exact same thing. face it, you're brain washed.
- Research cosmic evolution and human evolution when you get a chance buddy.
littlenickyn 2 years ago
head of both and they do not in any way contradict the existence of God, only disprove the fundamentla interpritation of Genesis.
cheesemonkey1990 2 years ago
Nothing can contradict the existence of God because "God" it's completely illogical in 1st place. Evolution has been proven on the micro level, and there is much evidence that supports macro. They also found a missing somewhat recently which is going to help the evolution case tremendously. There isn't 1 single intelligent decision to believe in your fairy tale. Think about it... use your brain.
littlenickyn 2 years ago
@littlenickyn
I've done quite a bit of research on so-called cosmic evolution, but there's still no evidence to support the notion that nothingness can evolve into somethingness, particularly since matter can't have any linear creation or destruction, and yet, according to Professor Albert Einstein, the universe is finite, judging by the age of the light reaching us from the outer expanse of the universe. This paradox has yet to be explained by anything other than God.
mytruepower2 1 year ago
@mytruepower2 It's beyond the limits of our minds to understand everything... which is why man invented the idea of GOD... so they'd have an answer.
People who say "what came before the universe" is the same as me asking you "if everything is created, who/what created God?" It's the same thing... you can't answer it.
littlenickyn 1 year ago
@littlenickyn
I most certainly can. In fact, Professor Steven Hawking himself has done so, so I defer to him. He says that at some point in the past, matter came into being. Therefore, there was once a universe without matter, but without matter, there would be no gravity, and therefore, no charable space, time, or, as such, causality as we know it. Therefore, any creator, if it were matterless, would not require a root cause. Thomas Aquinas said much the same. Look it up.
mytruepower2 1 year ago
@mytruepower2 The thought of creationism formed way before modern science existed. Micro evolution has been proven, and they keep finding "missing links"... and macro evo isn't proven yet, but will be in time I'm sure. The story of jesus is almost the exact same as many other religions had before Christianity existed, it's all astro-theology. How can creationist ignore these things?
littlenickyn 1 year ago
@littlenickyn
You're simply incorrect about Jesus. No other story is even remotely similar to his, except those which followed after, attempting to mimic his success. Furthermore, the church does not deny microevolution, nor would it deny macroevolution if it were ever established as fact. However, existence needs an origin point, and claiming that it's beyond our understanding is like saying that people have to live with having no explanation, when a viable one is available.
mytruepower2 1 year ago
@mytruepower2 Mythra, Krishna, Attis,... and the Egyptian God Horus (and there's several more), all have almost exact stories. Horus and Krishna were not born from a virgin, but everything else it close to identical. All these stories including Jesus are fictional and based on astro-theology. Research this and you'll find I'm correct.
OWNED
littlenickyn 1 year ago
@littlenickyn
Look, I know mythology, and all of those figures you mentioned are far cries from Jesus. There are some slight similarities in their birth methods, but only one seemed to even have a death at all. Most were supernatural and impressive in all ways from birth on, and not a single one ever sacrificed their own life to free people from their sins, much less came back transfigured. Further, not one claimed to be fully human. Your logic is abysmal.
DISOWNED!
mytruepower2 1 year ago
@mytruepower2 - - Crucified, died then was resurrected, performed miracles, born on Dec 25th... several were "born of a virgin" and had 12 disciples. Also, all of these stories are astro-theological based. Slight similarities? Umm...
How can you NOT consider Jesus and God "supernatural & mythological" yet consider all other creationist religions so? None of them have any evidence, which means no more or else than the others.
littlenickyn 1 year ago
@littlenickyn
I think you misinterpreted what I said. I never said that God wasn't supernatural; just that Jesus, as God, confined himself mostly to human capabilities, except for a few miracles and some special insight during his ministry.
As for the notion that there is no evidence of Christ, that claim is almost laughable. Roman records of the time, reinforced by greek records, reinforced by hebrew records all establish his existence. Plus, he was recorded in the roman census.
mytruepower2 1 year ago
@littlenickyn
This should be enough for any reasonable man whose mind is open to evidence of facts, even when he doesn't like to hear them, but there is more, of course. The prevalence of the church, the apparitions of the blessed mother, the miracle of the sun, the stigmata, the otherwise-unaccountable successes and miracles of too many saints to count, the unbroken papal line of the catholic church, and most recently, the bleeding host. These things are precious pearls.
mytruepower2 1 year ago
@littlenickyn
Lastly, none of the figures you mentioned were crucified as such, nor were they born on December the 25th. Neither was Jesus, for that matter. Christmas is not Jesus' birthday. It's only the commemoration of the nativity.
Here's the real scoop. Right now, there's a lot of lying going on, even in schools, about other religions supposedly prefiguring christianity, but those religions don't stand up to critical, historical scrutiny. The bible, mostly, does.
mytruepower2 1 year ago
@mytruepower2 And there isn't lying going on by the churches?
Perhaps not EVERYONE of them were crucified, but I know Krishna was crucified and had an almost identical story. Eitherway, whether or not you believe Jesus was a real man... how can you actually believe he did things like walked on water, was resurrected, turned water into wine, ect??? Wouldn't it make more sense (if he was real) to believe those things are metaphors?
littlenickyn 1 year ago
@littlenickyn
You're right to say that there is some lying going on in individual churches. However, the official church teachings themselves are not lies.
The miracles of Jesus make much more sense than the nature of his ministry, honestly. I mean, he said that he was the son of God. Imagine that. The son of God. He also helped the poor and sick, so he was clearly a good man. However, making a claim like that either denotes a lie, madness or the truth. Was he a liar or madman?
mytruepower2 1 year ago
@littlenickyn
But if you really want to touch on miracles, well... We now have video evidence of miracles truly happening for the first time in human history, so we know they exist. Also, I'm inclined to believe it when a sinful, secular, anticlerical, atheistic culture suddenly has a massive conversion, citing a miracle as the reason.
If Jesus was being honest in any sense, then his miracles make the most sense of all, because we are all called to a supernatural life as well.
mytruepower2 1 year ago
@littlenickyn
One last thing about this. I have to point out Hebrew culture at the time as a piece of evidence. These were people who were VERY close to their religion. Since birth, they were taught the law of moses, and that prophets of the lord were recognized through miraculous signs.
I simply can't believe that such fiercely-pius individuals would be willing to buy into Jesus' teachings, without some sign or miracle. It'd be like half of Boston being converted by a street-preacher.
mytruepower2 1 year ago
@mytruepower2 Scientology started as a very small movement... and it's not huge, unfortunately... and still growing. I think this is how all major religions grew. Step by step... small cult to massiveness.
littlenickyn 1 year ago
@littlenickyn
Well, in a sense, you're right. Every religion starts with just one or two guys, who, through predictions, miracles, good deeds or brute force, convince others to join their religion. That's how it's always been. Moses' role in helping establish judaism can be pretty well-described in this way. The thing is, Moses made a pretty big impression on his people; weilding power like nothing that they'd ever seen. The same is true of Jesus.
mytruepower2 1 year ago
@littlenickyn
However, the rise of scientology was very different in nature, because the social and religious climate of the time was very different. It arose in a time when people had tried to combine a mishmash of religions into one society, essentially having to devalue them all, in order to imply that they had equal value. In that religious near-void, scientology was created, because the rich and powerful, like those in hollywood, needed a religion to support their hedonism.
mytruepower2 1 year ago
@littlenickyn
Christianity came into existence when established religions were distinctly separate and strongly believed-in by their followers. It spread mainly through the ranks of the poor at first, who carried it on, refusing to deny their faith, even when the romans began to execute them for it. Scientology would never have survived in ancient rome.
mytruepower2 1 year ago
@littlenickyn
If you don't believe me on this, study protestantism over the course of the last seventy years. The number of protestant denominations has multiplied by a huge amount over the course of the last 50 years alone. The truth is, when people treat religions as if they have no real value, it encourages people to design their own religions, to conform to their own system of beliefs, social status or community. The same can't be said for a society with a strongly-established religion.
mytruepower2 1 year ago
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littlenickyn 2 years ago
Not everything needs to be created, I never said this, an this should not be assumed. The universe was necessarily created because it is not eternal and had a beginning and could not have caused itself. If you ask this of God Who Created God, why stopt there, this causes an ifinite regression and thus no beginning to anything.
cheesemonkey1990 2 years ago
There are theories of multi-verses which caused infinity. You can't argue saying "infinite" to support God, since I can say the same think about the scientific side. Face it, you're beliefs are naive. You fail to answer any of my questions because you can't.
PS: It's funny how majority of conservative Christians live in the south east USA (TX and east of there... which also is the area that tests lowest academically in our country.
littlenickyn 2 years ago
Also, creationism would have to side with intellegent design... which is flawed. Why do men nipples if humans are all predetermined by a god? And why do we have such similar DNA as apes? Oh I know! We evolved! ;)
Another thing to look up is the fact that the story of Jesus is astrotheological.
If everything must be created, who created your god? (besides that man made him up, lol!). You can't say he was always there because you could say that about the Universe.
littlenickyn 2 years ago
@littlenickyn
You've just said two completely opposite things. Fear of the unknown, and of things beyond mankind are what motivate atheists, not catholics. The difference is that atheists want to believe that they are the supreme beings, while catholics are willing to accept the evidence put in front of them that there are beings greater than them. The reason that people have for turning to God in faith is partly that the notion of mankind's chaos being absolute is intolerable.
mytruepower2 1 year ago
@littlenickyn Yes and it comforts me, who will comfort you on your death bed? NO Atheist ever goes quietly AND I REPEAT NO ATHEIST EVER DIES WITHOUT FEARING FOR HIS SOUL.
priest008 1 year ago
@littlenickyn - God is a ''crutch''.......... What makes you think you don't have a limp???? you fucking pagan!!!!!!!
jordache2006 1 year ago
@jordache2006 Said like a true Christian!!!! Would God want you speaking like that? And no, I'm not a Pagan. Derrrrrrrrrrrr.
littlenickyn 1 year ago
@GabeLogin That person lies to himself . They all believe in God . God said so . I am so bummed to see this video . I had never seen Bishop Sheen say anything like this before how sad .
I kniw he only said the real Mass and never said the new . Why was he so happy about protestants making the New Oder mess ? He was happy there were snake charmers and wiccans ? This is not a catholic opinion . Hopefully he just slippd here . I pray to God
SAYYOURROSARY 10 months ago
@SAYYOURROSARY i am also very shocked and disappointed to hear this from Bishop Sheen. Christus Regnat!
jcbluefunk 6 months ago
Actually, no you are wrong, our bible does not hate gays, it simply condems homosexual activity. HUGE difference. Tell me this, suppose God is real, what would you say to him when you meet Him face to face?
cheesemonkey1990 2 years ago
@littlenickyn
Homosexuality (as defined as the act of two people of the same gender trying to have sex with each other) is an abuse of human dignity, because it relegates the sexual functions of the body to mere tools for human pleasure, reducing man to nothing more than a savage beast. Beasts seek pleasure first, even above the bare neccesities, but man has the freedom to choose otherwise! If you believe that man is more than a beast, you must deny homosexuality.
mytruepower2 1 year ago
@littlenickyn you seem to like promoting evil and perverting truth, so you think you are God that you can decide anything you want, well good luck with that. Now get off this channel, leave us discuss Archbishop sheen alone! Go to some crack house!
priest008 1 year ago
If we hated them we would let them marry, but if we did that there would be chaos! God himself stated that Homosexual acts are intrinsically evil so ask God to stop the Hate not the Church, the Church just delivers the message and will and Cant not change them!
priest008 2 years ago
Exactly! Your "Christian God" stated. But not everyone believes in your fictitious God. It's rather silly.
Why do you follow Christianity and your God versus other religions? Same ZERO evidence amongst them all. If you were raised in the middle east, chances are pretty good you'd be a die hard Muslim. Think about it.
littlenickyn 2 years ago
wait......even Islam views Homosexualtiy as evil. You are right and I agree that If I wad born I would most likely have been Muslim but if they would allow people to read and study for themselves it is clearly evident that Catholicism is so real that it all fits into place like a jigsaw puzzle. Scientific evidence also exists that Jesus was real. Several other miracles have occurred and man can't but tries to explain them.
priest008 2 years ago
OMG, you're ignorant! Zero evidence exists that even states Jesus was a real person. The story of Jesus is all astro-theological, it's obvious. I'm not going to debate with you about gays or anything else, you're too brainwashed and naive to debate with me. I believe in EQUALITY. Obvioulsy you don't. If someone is gay or a non-christian you think they're wrong based off of your bias simple minded thoughts.
I WIN
littlenickyn 2 years ago
You stating "I WIN" just make it more obvious that you haven't. If you had "won", there wouldn't be any need to state that, 'cause it would be obvious to anyone reading.
Btw, equality are for pussies.
RockNow91 2 years ago
Have fun being a hateful person because you wont get far in life with that mentality. Good day.
littlenickyn 2 years ago
I don't know how stating a fact equals to being hateful, but good day to you to.
RockNow91 2 years ago
@littlenickyn: Yet, why did the first christians die for a thought and a lie? What about the graffiti found in Rome in the first century that mention Mary the mother of Jesus... and what about all the miracles that have happened.. The miracle of Fatima, and the Miracle of Lanciano. Wouldnt it be possible that God is infinite and that God is total conciousness? I mean you mention your belief in multiverses.. yet, what started it all?
RockyBalboa211 1 year ago
@RockyBalboa211 I believe the human mind has limits as far as understanding science, mathematics, universe, ect. Somewhere out there I'd bet there are aliens who are several hundreds times more intelligent/advanced than humans. Us trying to fully understand the universe and our the origins of life would be like us explaining how a TV works to a cockroach... because our minds can't handle the complexities.
PS: Any miracle you read of can't be proven, it's folklore.
littlenickyn 1 year ago
@littlenickyn
I don't personally believe that a nation can survive if it promotes equality for everyone. We are at war in America currently; an idealogical war between absolute equality between everyone, and equal opportunity for everyone. Absolute equality denies the freedom of man to decide upon his own conduct. Equal opportunity for everyone exalts that freedom. One way or another, everyone must choose which side of this conflict they will be on.
mytruepower2 1 year ago
@mytruepower2
I'm not gay... so this isn't bias... and I think gays should be able to get married. Creationists including Christians are every simple minded... and all religion should be separated from government. THE END
littlenickyn 1 year ago
@littlenickyn
1. "Unless the lord lays the foundation, in vain do the laborers work." Our country will never get back on track, unless we return to the roots of all western civilization, and accept that Jesus is God, and his wisdom exceeds our own.
2. According to the truth of the catholic church, the state is incapable of establishing a marraige union between two people. Only God can unite man and woman, and if you're going to make gay "marraige" legal, then what's stopping poligamy too?
mytruepower2 1 year ago
@mytruepower2 ... but not everyone believes in your magical "God". Can you not understand that?
littlenickyn 1 year ago
@littlenickyn
I understand it just fine. What you have to understand about the faith, however, is that it is incompatable with atheistic dogma, laws or societies. It is not possible for christians to live fulfilling lives in a society which embraces "religious and ethical diversity," because to the christian, that's called rampant heresy. Worse yet, it's rampant heresy that can, at any moment, be forced upon christians by law. No society can accomodate christians, except a christian one.
mytruepower2 1 year ago
@littlenickyn Who cares if you are gay? Like I said, be gay, start your own church and get "married". I have no reason to change believes just because you say so, nor should you ever ask such a thing from me. What the Goverment does Is also none of my business, if they decide to let them marry, fine. As long as gays don't ask to get married in a Catholic Church that's fine for me. They are still not married in my book nor would I consider that a real marriage, but you get the Idea, good bye...
rejazeze 1 year ago
@littlenickyn Equal rights? Have I missed something? Don't gays already have plenty of rights? I see them everywhere and no one cares about them, either. You can be gay and whatever you like, but when It comes to my faith you have absolutely no say In It. You are in no position to determine what is right and what is wrong. It has no meaning whatsoever and is none of your business, you go either be gay or catholic. We're not a shoeshop, where you can choose and pick whichever shoe fits your sole.
rejazeze 1 year ago
@rejazeze I'm not even gay and I'm all for them getting married, but... you think Catholics would 100% be for gay marriage since it appears that many priests are secretly gay these days. Maybe that's why they're OK with never getting married to a woman. Just a theory. ;)
littlenickyn 1 year ago
@rejazeze
You're right. Even the catholic church states that homosexual-leaning people have all the rights that heterosexual-leaning people do. In fact, they honor the challenge that such people face. They just don't believe that marraige or sex are rights, so much as blessings and gifts from almighty God; gifts to be accepted only under the terms that God dictates.
mytruepower2 1 year ago
did he pin his ferraiolo on his simar? I can't see the ribbons... But it looks better like that though...
leinadgarces 2 years ago
a wonderful video, it is great to again see that Saintly man who will soon be a Saint of the Church.
sundrop1974 2 years ago
Bishop Sheen was one of the most influential Catholic prelates in the United States of all times.
GIONELLIO 2 years ago
is this guy an actor? I believe this man is a Bishop he looks more like an actor.
tich302001 2 years ago
He was an Archbishop when he died. He did win an Emmy for Best Television Personality... credited his writers - Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
AFaithfulServant 2 years ago
@tich302001 he is not an actor he is an Archbishop. 1900-1979 born in El Paso Illonios. he wrote 45 books or so. He had the number 1 TV show in 1962?
singapore7773 1 year ago
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What a heretic, He loved him for bringing in
a whole new liberal, modern, fake Catholicism....great !
SAYYOURROSARY 2 years ago
Just say your rosary
GabeLogin 2 years ago
When I was 9 years old, my mother gave me a book on the life of Pope John XXIII. Although we are not Catholic, she believed it was important that I learned about him. I am now 47 years old. I still have the book. Pope John XXIII was a beautiful man. I also believe that Bishop Sheen was one of the wisest and most effective communicators of the 20th Century. I, too, enjoy his Life Is Worth Living programs.
jrobro15 2 years ago
This makes me miss watching EWTN. I used to watch Life is Worth Living everytime it came on.
SexyScientist6 2 years ago
There may be no salvation outside the catholic church, but of course there is salvation outside the Catholic Church.
1776Bob 2 years ago
That is very very very difficult. In order to be saved outside the Church one needs to be a person who has never heard of Christ and thus doesn't know Christ existed then there is a possibility of that person being saved. St.Luigi Maria de monfort once stated "if you knew the number of the elect you would faint at such a small figure" But this is not to make us think that we are good for nothing and lost souls, but to help us realize that we need to work harder
priest008 2 years ago
@priest008
The notion is that only people belonging to the church can reach heaven, but that there are many ways to "belong," and that God does not pass judgment on people due to the circumstances of their life alone. People just have to do their best to learn about the true faith, to follow God, and to avoid sin, and exhibit penitence when they do sin. Even if a person HAS heard of the church, and deeply wanted to be part of it, but just never had the chance, heaven is not barred to them.
mytruepower2 1 year ago
Pope John XXIII was such a great man... Angelo Roncalli is among the saints for sure!
crimthann86 3 years ago
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crimthann86 3 years ago
Would you people just listen to what he says about Pope John talking to that death row prisoner, and how a simple statement got the prisoner to turn around and hug him?
Whether we are Protestant or Catholic actually doesn't matter; they're just labels. Whether we love like that and walk in God's own compassion is what matters.
tlh215 3 years ago
That seems like a lovely thing to say, but I can't really agree. I don't want to sound condemnatory, but it isn't possible for one who believes a lie and refuses to be part of Christ's Mystical Body, the Universal (Catholic) Church, to be saved. As Boniface VIII infallibly determined: "We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff" (Unam Sanctam).
baldwalrus7 2 years ago
The "it actually really matter, they're just laberls" perspective is, itself, a Protestant perspective, not a Catholic one. Therefore, normally, Protestants, just like Arians, Nestorians, Manichaens, Gnostics, and every other heresy in church history, cannot be considered "just a label", as if "one who protests against Catholics" and "Catholic" could every mean the same thing. They are diametrically opposed.
God bless.
baldwalrus7 2 years ago
That is what the Church teaches. It is an infallible teaching that there is no salvation outside the Church, and there are not many ways to heaven--there is only one way which is the Catholic Church.
wainscottbl 3 years ago
you are not one of the chosen few ??
you already have yourself in heaven
when it is God who chooses, not man !!
so you must know better than God. i have
protestant brothers and sisters that are
just as deserving of heaven as much as
you THINK you are !!! you must be either
ignorant or insane !!! so go sell your
Bullshit somewhere else !!! you give us
catholics a bad name !!!
slickskillet123 3 years ago
You are completely emotional. You are illogical and concieted.
wainscottbl 3 years ago
conceited*
wainscottbl 3 years ago
you are a heretic and a zealot !!!
slickskillet123 3 years ago
you know who is going to heaven
or hell, you must be Jesus !!!
slickskillet123 3 years ago
possibly you are a latent homosexual ??
slickskillet123 3 years ago
he does not deserve heaven, just as unbaptised infants do not deserve it. No one deserves it--it is a gift from God, not a right. Will he go to hell? I cannot say who goes to heaven and who to tell, but he certainly will not go to heaven a Protestant. Perhaps in his last hour God's grace will work in him, for we do have example from the saints of such miraculous conversions. But Protestanism is not a means of salvation--only grace is, and thus those without it do not merit heaven, but hell.
wainscottbl 3 years ago
min. 4:52 "...that human side of John..."how many sides did John xx111 have?
martalog121 3 years ago
He had 23 sides , martalog121 .. lol simple!
SAINTpio91006 3 years ago
It's a little evangelistic for me but the story is true to the word. Assess your audience I suppose. Americans are somewhat unnecessarily dramatic day to day.
diddydiddycool 3 years ago
Evangelism is simply stating the word of God, so if you reject evangelism your in a way rejecting God. Sheen liked shakespeare and the art's. Being somewhat dramtic was his nature, his being, not so as a means for speaking the word of God. Although this helped portray the message. You can never be unnecessarily dramatic about life, thats like saying we can love too much.
charliedip 3 years ago 2
protistants, they mock us when they dont know what they're mocking,feel sorry for them, dont hate them back, they are just ignorant in the true ways of God.
freespmex 3 years ago 11
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It's all nonsense, lads, please read Joseph Atwill's book CAERSAR'S MESSIAH
sebreathnach 3 years ago
your'e full of gibberish!
slickskillet123 3 years ago
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Jeus was an anarchist, the RC church is a communist association and it hates democracy. When a parent, laden with Catholic children, has to feed them,whether that parent is Vietnames, Irish or Russian, they must impose their will to render to each according to their needs. When Ho Chi Minh did this the RC Church, Diem and the US burned them to death... becasue they were 'communist'. This Jak-a-napes and his ilk did it..
sebreathnach 3 years ago
Well, if you were familiar with Archbishop Sheen, he was very anti-communist, and very anti-Soviet.
meiguoren777 3 years ago 3
This attack on Auguste Comte (the founder of Sociology) is a perfect lie. It is so much a lie that the Jesuits who owned the departments of Sociology in Irish 'Universities" , claimed, until lately, to be sociologists -- a thing which, as theologians, they could not be! Sheen is a phoney and I will prove it in less than 500 words
sebreathnach 3 years ago
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He's an Irish leprechaun: but I love his Cape Crusader outfit! The Pope has one also!
sebreathnach 4 years ago
My father, when he picked up my mother when they were courting (back in the 50s) would notice my grandmother watching the good Bishop and quip, "Well, there's Batman!" Maybe the above poster was being sarcastic, but I think the cape enhances the handsome Bishop Sheen. What's wrong with leprechans? They're a sign of an Irish blessing, as the Bishop knows. So there!
PandaMishima 3 years ago
Well, at least your mother left you with an open and humorous mind! And that in Ireland, where religion is concerned, is a marvellous exception. When I hear people saying what God said, I feel like cringing, for I know that some form of slavery follows!
sebreathnach 3 years ago
Un santo e uno dei migliori predicatori del nostro secolo. Aveva una capacità oratoria che incantava e una preparazione superba.
Deo Gratias! Prega per noi Vescovo Sheen!
Necrophilus 4 years ago
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Where does the Catholic church get the authority to declare these men as Saints? The catholic church is filled up with error, falsities, and plain confusion, and destruction.
I used to be a Catholic, but not anymore. Popes are men, and have no power.
KAMIKAZR 4 years ago
"Whatever you bound on Earth shall be bound in Heaven" it is declared by Jesus Christ "I tell you the Truth, Heaven and Earth will pass away but my words will not"
GabeLogin 4 years ago
Her authority comes from the only one who can give it to her: God. Popes are men and we do not believe otherwise. Dont get it confused, the church recognizes santity but she does not decide -as if she were God- the salvation or the condemnation of the souls. Saints are men, blessed with a "carisma", who consegrated their lives totally to God and who have entered in His glory. Do we doubt that the apostles are saints? where's the destruction and confusion really coming from? God bless
SonoPortoricano 4 years ago 2
I'm not Catholic, but I heard a funny Catholic joke regarding the Pope and Protestants:
"Protestants believe everybody's right EXCEPT the Pope."
HenryvKeiper 4 years ago 2
And yet if it wasn't for the Protestants (including Cromwell) you would neither have a vote, a Parliament,or a world in absolute violent crisis every where the Catholic Church promotes itself from Ireland to East Timor. My bet still stands! A pound to a penny, the Pope starts another war in China!
sebreathnach 3 years ago
The ancient Church, later simply the Orthodox church, was ruling by collegiate, council, and a voting system long before any Protestants came into existence - in fact, the early apostles ruled by council and vote.
And if it weren't for Protestants, we wouldn't have sola scriptura, which gave birth to over 2500 "true versions" of Christianity, and led to Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses.
HenryvKeiper 3 years ago
The dig at secular science and the attack on August Comte is still a lie. And the Protestants believe that they always were; that the Catholic Church just turned King's evidence on the Jews and overtaxed everyone when they got power. By the way, whatever the churches were before Constantine, they, too were wiped away with Gregorian reforms. The RC Church is an army of businessmen and warlords who have never got One Vote from the people!
sebreathnach 3 years ago
Nothing was overturned. The Orthodox church has preserved the practices and customs of the early Church Fathers for thousands of years. It is true that the Catholic church moved away from some of this, but they had no power over the east. The Catholics excommunicated them in the 11th century and went their way. To say they were wiped away by Gregorian reforms is to speak ignorantly of church history, as if the only Christian world was western Europe.
HenryvKeiper 3 years ago
Dream on. Read your newspaper and the Regensberg Lecture. The 'take over' of the Orthodox Church has already happened! Sorry!
sebreathnach 3 years ago
It would be impossible for any one to take over the Church, the very design makes it impossible. It lives by the Ecumenical Councils, which declares that no bishop can go beyond his own borders. The Pope of Rome, who is to us a Bishop, would not be able to control any one.
Incidentally, you've changed your story. First you said the Church was undone at the Gregorian Reforms in the 11th Century, now you claim that the Church is being undone now. Do you sincerely know what you're talking about?
HenryvKeiper 3 years ago
Dream on Henry. By the way, how many gooks did you kill for Christianity, Henry?
sebreathnach 3 years ago
Thank you for avoiding my points and falling back on insults, it only serves to help mine.
HenryvKeiper 3 years ago
The cult of Mary and of the dead saints was not part of the original Church. It started after pagans in the hundreds of thousands flocked to the Church after Christianity became the favored (later: only allowed) religion in the Roman Empire.
JesusFreakDK 3 years ago
I think you are confusing the cult of Mary in the west and veneration of the Virgin Mary (Theotokos) in the east. Mary was venerated and called the Theotokos ("God-bearer") as early as the 3rd Century AD, and Saint Athanasius of Alexandria spoke of her in that way. When the Church labeled her as such at the Third Ecumenical Council in 431, it was in response to heresy. They were fighting paganism, not the other way around. As for the saints, church members had been venerated since Polycarp.
HenryvKeiper 3 years ago
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So you do not pray to Mary, like the papists do?
I have not encountred anything about "venerating" (in the sense you use that word) dead saints. Oh, yes, martyrs have been HONORED and held up as rolemodels since the very first days of the Church, yes. But not prayed to. That is a relatively "new" phenomenon.
JesusFreakDK 3 years ago
Look up the word "venerated" in the dictionary. One of the words most commonly compared to it is "honored". The two words are one and the same. (one dictionary example says "The World War II memorial venerated the fallen heroes"). The Saints are simply role models, men and women who have shown us how a human can achieve God's grace. Nobody prays TO them, but prays WITH them. In the Bible you can find examples of humans interceding or praying for the people, and helping their relationship to God.
HenryvKeiper 3 years ago
And if by "new" you mean has existed for at least 1700 years, if not longer, then I suppose many things adored by even Protestants are "new" too.
HenryvKeiper 3 years ago
Dear "JesusFreak",
I'm not sure if you're familiar with Church history or doctrine, but every single church which can trace its origins back to the apostles invokes the saints. This includes the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Oriental Orthodox Church, the Coptic Church, etc. etc.
I'm sure you ask your living friends to pray for you. Why not those who live with Christ in heaven, who are far closer to him than we are?
baldwalrus7 2 years ago
Are you aware the Jehovah's Witnesses make exactly the same claim about the Holy Trinity? And, it is just as plausible: there is a superficial resemblance between pagan triads and our God. There is also a superficial resemblance between asking our holy brothers in Christ to pray for us and many pagan gods.
baldwalrus7 2 years ago