Wansu

[robopablo]

"too fast & light"? Care to elaborate. We do kata at different speeds, though.

[karatebobbydojo]

too fast and light but a great walk through kata which i do when my time is limited for practice

[Koryuhoka]

Kenshinkan is Matsumura Seito - Fusei Kise's School - I believe.

[iangarcia]

what style of shorin ryu is this?

[robopablo]

Kenshin Kan

[LilRonin01]

really? I thought this Matsumura Seito

[robopablo]

...that, too.

[OkinawaShorinryu]

@robopablo Matsumura seito (Master Soken) did not have wansu in his teachings, nor anaku and seisan.

[robopablo]

@OkinawaShorinryu Um..yeah. Thanks Captain Obvious. Also, "no duh". What's yer point?

[OkinawaShorinryu]

@robopablo I made my point and I believe from your remark you understood it. And obviously you are not capable to have a decent dialogue about it.

[robopablo]

@OkinawaShorinryu No, yours had no point or context. Just, I guess, an observation. What was your point in the comment? I can absolutely have a great dialog with anyone that doesn't bring an agenda. Do you have a question about the history of the kata, in relation to our system or one about the application or intent? Otherwise you're throwing out a comment without context....

[OkinawaShorinryu]

@robopablo ok, I'll elaborate. You were asked if this was Matsumura Seito and you replied yes. That is wrong far as wansu goes. So maybe you should elaborate when someone ask a question or explain to them, but you did not so I interjected.

[robopablo]

@OkinawaShorinryu I see your point. However, if you'll read above, you'll notice the question asked was "What style of shorin ryu is this?" not what style is this kata from. That is what I was addressing. Seisan does have roots in Matsumura,though it was not practiced by Soken Sensei, that I know of. As you no doubt know, Kise Hanshi brought these into Kenshin Kan after working with Soken Sensei to bring them in line with Matsumura Seito principals.

[robopablo]

@robopablo That does bring up a good point, is the system the kata or does the kata reflect the system? I've seen versions of various kata that we do, that look only vaguely like our interpretation. No less valid, coming or going, but are more indicative of that system than a kata that is shoehorned into several systems and looking exactly the same, say for tournament purposes.

[OkinawaShorinryu]

@robopablo Katas definitely reflect the system, that's why Matsumura Seito is so unique. So, who do you practice under in texas(?) and Kise is your Grandmaster?

[robopablo]

@OkinawaShorinryu So then, at least semantically, the kata above is by default Matsumura Seito. It reflects the concepts of the system and any kata added by Kise Hanshi and modified would "become" a part of MS, as the head of the system. Since several masters were students of Matsumura and many karateka cross-trained it's really kinda silly to try and delineate for any reason other than history. Since you have video of Hanshi on your profile, how about PMing me your bio? Mine is on my website.

[OkinawaShorinryu]

@robopablo Thanks for your replies. I believe one could take this as refering to wansu or shorin ryu. No, GM Soken did not teach wansu, anaku, or seisan, Kise did up til the time he and GM Soken got Matsumura Seito formed in 1969 (officially) then Kise dropped those katas (he brought those over from Shorinji ryu). Not positive at this point when he reintroduced them though, maybe after Soken retired 1978.

[humblemartialartist]

Nice, you're green belt is sharp

[LilRonin01]

that wasn't a bad kata, but what was the point in saying keep up with the kata?

[robopablo]

Some of the students there had never done it "hajimae-style".