James Lovelock (born 26 July 1919 - died 13 March 2015) was an independent scientist, environmentalist and futurologist from England. He is best known for proposing the Gaia hypothesis, which postulates that the biosphere is a self-regulating entity with the capacity to keep our planet healthy by controlling the chemical and physical environment.
James Lovelock is just like Harold Camping, an idiot who peddles his doomsday predictions so that millions of people around the world can't get a good night's sleep. Schadenfreude is what psychologists call it- " Joy in other people's grief".
James Lovelock's "Vanishing Face of Gaia: A Final Warning" is now available as an audiobook, read by the talented Simon Vance. Check it out at Post Hypnotic Press.
@megadak123 - it's oscillating, like a person on a tightrope trying to balance after being pushed. the climate isn't just 'there' like on other planets, it's actively maintained by feedback mechanisms. other planets don't have oxygen. it's a 'service' provided by plants.
@walter0bz Whats your point? You actually believe in this Climate Change? You believe that its things here on Earth determining the climate? Thats bullshit
Peak Oil will kill more people sooner and with greater certainty
Climate Change may indeed be used as a ruse for taxation - because 'they' know that as oil supplies deplete, its' advantageous to control them. This does not affect the validity of climate change one way or the other. Our atmosphere isn't given, it's actively maintained by the the biosphere and given that we're the dominant species, it's hardly surprising that we can also modify it
When it works right, money approximates energy.( land=claim on solar).
we ended up with debt-expansion system because it matched the exponential growth possible under fossil-fueled conditions (population explosion by harnessing fossil-fuels). issuing new currency to correspond to the new energy released, issuing with gamble on how effectively it would be 'invested'.
Past peak oil, this collapses. back to c18th energy levels. we might have new knowledge but we also damaged enviro
the only way to avoid the dead end we're in would have been to have left the coal/oil in the ground. The rest of nature is based purely on recycling, it already has 'solar-powered nanotechnology' far in advance of anything we've engineered. some say tech will save us but i think our perception of tech really relates to the "energy lottery win" of fossil-fuels. our tech is crude compared to natures' systems
@walter0bz You see Socialists like you who are a bit older and are voted in by dickheads out there share common values with Bankers and other Corporate fascists
in your own words,please explain what has belief in gaia theory or peak oil got to do with socialism. i can't be bothered to watch the link. i'm aware of the various theories as to why peak oil / mmgw are scams, and i reject them.
"Socialists like you who are a bit older and are voted in by dickheads out there share common values with Bankers and other Corporate fascists"
... aren't these things opposites ? you might be referring to Political Elite, (which i'm certainly not) when you say 'socialists', i.e. the socialist POLITICIANS who are at the top of the 'party politics' power pyramid, their power coming from voters, & delivering promises (peeps in central control)..
@MsTsarbomba .. if that is the case you are using confusing language, perhaps when you say 'socialism' you mean 'centralization' / 'authoritarianism'.
i still don't see how belief in peak oil or mmgw implies a belief in authoritarianism.
if you rely on OIL for your daily life, you empower central controllers in the oil industry and hence the bankers who track how that weath(energy) trickles through society. You made them powerful when you forgot how to use your legs and chose to use a car, etc
'agenda 21 depopulation'... by socialists? socialists want depopulation ??
socialism is a populist movement.
socialists claim that there's plenty of resources (e.g. oil) and that we just have to stop letting the rich hoard it.
VP is an example of socialist claims. "switch to renewables and peak oil isn't a problem!".
the rich might want to hoard land hence depopulate the poor. but their wealth is proportional to the 'power pyramid'. more debt-slaves,more consumers,e=more power.
"the rich" got there by providing for population growth - e.g. arbitrating world trade that allowed population to rise from 500m all the way up to 7billion and counting.
@walter0bz Peak Oil and Climate Change is bullshit performed by Rockefeller Goerge Sorros and a few other fat corporate Banking fascists, along with their Communist Socialist mates who want all humans rounded up and controlled in cramped 3rd world hellholes like the Communist Chinese have done and like whats happened in Britian since 1997
peak oil = common sense. materials are finite. humans have multiplied 8X in numbers since the industrial revolution. Nature as we observe it, entropy always increases. ordering of matter (life, civilization, machines), is only temporary whilst there is energy being moved into higher entropy state. this happens slowly, renewably in the biosphere based on solar energy (order from sunlight turned into disorder radiated away as heat). fossil (stored solar) allowed sudden amplification
it's also to be expected that some peeps will position selves to come out on top of scarcity (i.e. whoever is in power). it's going to be a zero sum game. today fossil fuels allow 7billion and counting, in the long run, earth will only support 2billion max (actual number depending on how much environmental damage we might have done). in C18th we had easy access minerals, high quality soil, high water tables.. all depleted or overused now , fossil lets us
@MsTsarbomba - dig up coal and you hardly expect the coal to replenish itself, right? it's a solid rock, you burned it.
Oil is a liquid. People like you are used to seeing liquid come out of taps (running water) so you expect oil is the same, it will always perpetually flow.?? no. Like coal, it's a finite material that we dig up from the ground. Pull all the liquid out of a reservoir, it doesn't grow back. Earth is big but exponential growth makes short work of any reservoir. [more]
@MsTsarbomba - earth is big but humans are the dominant species, we CAN overwhelm it. we have pushed out of our ecological niche and populated every corner, made things visible from space..
Like "free market idealists","Venus Project idealists",etc perhaps you make the mistake of assuming humans are separate from nature & all problems are caused/solveable through social means. Not so: we are bound by physics,biology, the natural world. atoms & joules etc, not $ or people determine outcome
@MsTsarbomba - britain declined recently pure and simple because North Sea Oil peaked in 1999, & longer trend is decline from past heights. past heights from sea faring empire which caused new efficiencies of global trade(now common), & some outright plunder, then resource/tech advantage: coal->steam engine. coal superseded by oil & american empire. Unless we get fusion, there is no 1st world, industrial age continuing. modern comforts will require huge land per person, only elites will keep
industrial civilization has a limited lifespan because there is only so much we can dig up.
you take it for granted because you've known nothing else (generational memory too), and as it slips away you look for human scapegoats, because you think anthropocentrically
@MsTsarbomba fascist communist socialists. lol. are you for real. the only rounding up that'll happen to you is the nice men in white coats coming with their nets
when fossil fuel depletes, there IS no "1st world". we go back to living off what falls out of the sky. Only breakthrough like fusion could fix. i'm skeptical about modern 'renewables',all modern tech is subsidized by fossil energy in extraction and working of materials, transport allowing specialized society for high tech, etc. post fossil we will indeed go back to life of primitive each and manual labour (subsistence farming?) only small elite will keep modern comforts.
@walter0bz I dont understand all the dynamics about oil but I dont trust the fucking scumbag mainstream media telling us oil is about to run out tomorrow and the climate is heating which is complete utter fucking bullshit..... I like to hear many opinions and there are experts out there who say theres still plenty left.......... you watched "The Great American Bubble Machine" and saw how the fatfucks in Wall Street speculate the prices up while there was more supply than demand
oil won't run out tomorrow. production is peaking about now - this was predicted 50 years ago, based on 40 year lag between peak discovery and peak production. USA peak discovery 1930's , peak production 1970's. same patter throughout the world, world peak discovery 60-70s , production about now . downhill from here on. hence the financial crisis (credit bubble was attempt to keep economy going without fesh resource)
bubbles do happen sure, but all bubbles usually exaggerate a genuine story (the event predicted happens, it's just the price gets exaggerated upfront.). railways, internet had bubbles associated with the idea these tech would revolutionize lives. oil running out is a dead cert, sure there will be bubbles along the way, some people will find a way to profit.
@walter0bz Theres so much energy out there, if the free markets were allowed to operate there would be abundance of available energy sources and so much thriving competition, but at the moment a few Elite corporate fatcats controll Governments and politicians. They dont want thriving competition out there
energy is the basis for money. Land in the past - land ownership=wealth, and today, oil (petrodollar).
petrodollar empire comes to an end with oil.
there isn't "so much energy". life is inherently an energy burning process so it always is on the edge of scarcity. every piece of complexity in nature is added to find some new niche. we specialized ourselves to this one dead end finite resource over the past 200 years
@walter0bz So the corporate fatcats will always manufacture in the cheapest 3rd world country and never want competition so they can charge and controll all of us.
At the moment I dont think their is much difference between the 3rd world and Western World, most Western countries Ive been to of late are shitholes especially Britian
if corporations are so evil, why do we voluntarily use their products. why don't we just boycott them and barter with each other using what we can make in our own back gardens.
is it because oil-fueled industry makes individual manpower look pathetic ? is it because once you've experienced fossil-fueled super-abundance, you can't go back?
@walter0bz Well the Western World is going back the to stone age, dont worry about that with the useless solar panels and power turbines you love so we are using less oil and going back to the stoneage
@walter0bz Bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit the USA has lots of oil stil, the world is freezing right now because its entering an ice age. Here in Australia its nearly Summer right now and we're freezing like they are in the Northern Hemisphere. You keep believing Bill Gates John D Rockefeller and George Sorros and the Globalist Banking scumbags
Half what we started is still "Lots", but earth now has dramatically more people who also demand more oil. 1.5billion people at start of oil age, 7billion people today. if that growth continues, you always reach a crisis point where there is only enough for one get. e.g. imagine a family living off inheritance, but then dividing it between many kids gen after gen. it WILL run out.
regarding gates rockefeller sorros, you get cause and effect the wrong way round. we live in a world of scarcity, especially because we multiply so fast overwhelming our environment (e.g. today there are people alive who have seen the population triple). so those who can get ahead of the common man thrive. we trample over each other. Some say the strife/population pressure/wars etc is the only way to evolve, sadly, i hope not.
@walter0bz You just believe Man is hopeless and must be ruled and that he cant overcome problems. Fire then Coal then Oil then Nuclear then Thermonuclear etc etc man will overcome anything
yes man will usually over-reach. most people are hopeless.
sure , Humans WILL survive peak oil. but not MOST of them. most will meet a miserable end..
man cannot overcome anything, man is still bounded by physical laws. our recent progress is on the back of millions of years of dead algae, sorry. man is one part of the biosphere,not "made in gods image" or anything.
if we solve thermonuclear, then indeed thats a game changer, but the consensus behind housing bubble for example is that we're most likely in for permanent unfixable scarcity.
thermonuclear: bombs work because they're unconfined. Sun works because it has 99.86% of solar system mass to make gravity confine. it may always be a technical impossibility to do it in a reactor. i think its ballpark 1-10% chance that we see working fusion in our lifetime
@MsTsarbomba - my point is, we needed a global 1 child policy starting in the 1980's (even starting now would be better than nothing), it's all about peak oil. oil allowed the human population to multiply exponentially (more energy=more life, less energy=less life), food and energy are interchangeable, money just micromanages how its transformed, housing bubble was mass consensus that scarcity is coming, but we've known for many decades certainly since 1970s
@MsTsarbomba - whilst the oil was flowing, oil multiplied the capacity of the land, with modern agri we could turn oil energy into food and hence more people.
this is the reason for non-jobs both in public sector and even in private sector (service industries...) - whilst Fossil-Fueled machines looked after us (e.g. only 2% of labour required to make food), there was simply less need for human labour and paradoxically increased carrying capacity. but when oil peaks that trend goes into reverse
@walter0bz Ah you are a young naive idiot indocrinated by the Left you are another little freak who will never produce anything in the Private Sector but get a lifeling bludge in a Government Department your a fucking blight and you have no idea and fuck the UK its fucked
no, I am convinced by my education and analysis of the real world. It's made of physics,chemistry, biology, the currency is energy (entropy) not human social systems like left v right. I peeled back the layers since housing bubble& iraq war.
I've never worked in the public sector thanks, only private sector.
but if you were right and there were ample resources, there would be no need for 'Right' politics, 'Left' would work fine.
@MsTsarbomba - yes, the sun goes through sunspot cycles. also the sun has been getting hotter.
and C02 was much higher in the past.
dead planets (how earth started) have higher c02 in the atmosphere, and no free oxygen, because oxygen is so reactive it combines.
when life started, it evolved balancing mechanisms (through random trial and error), symbioses with life forms recycling each others waste. it turned out that by reducing C02 life could thrive more cooling earth against rising sun temp
too much oxygen and you get forrest fires. not enough, you can't have animal life. it's finely balanced at a precise level, not just random. when oxygen first started being generated it was a harmful corrosive waste product and it drove the original anaerobic life underground. animals evolved to recycle the 02 plant waste product & balanced it out
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James Lovelock (born 26 July 1919 - died 13 March 2015) was an independent scientist, environmentalist and futurologist from England. He is best known for proposing the Gaia hypothesis, which postulates that the biosphere is a self-regulating entity with the capacity to keep our planet healthy by controlling the chemical and physical environment.
May his spirit rest in peace forever.
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James Lovelock is just like Harold Camping, an idiot who peddles his doomsday predictions so that millions of people around the world can't get a good night's sleep. Schadenfreude is what psychologists call it- " Joy in other people's grief".
siddharthjoshi91 3 months ago
James Lovelock's "Vanishing Face of Gaia: A Final Warning" is now available as an audiobook, read by the talented Simon Vance. Check it out at Post Hypnotic Press.
PostHypnoticPress 5 months ago
well the world is cooling its not warming
megadak123 11 months ago
@megadak123 - it's oscillating, like a person on a tightrope trying to balance after being pushed. the climate isn't just 'there' like on other planets, it's actively maintained by feedback mechanisms. other planets don't have oxygen. it's a 'service' provided by plants.
walter0bz 3 months ago
@walter0bz Whats your point? You actually believe in this Climate Change? You believe that its things here on Earth determining the climate? Thats bullshit
MsTsarbomba 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba -
Climate Change is a moot point.
Peak Oil will kill more people sooner and with greater certainty
Climate Change may indeed be used as a ruse for taxation - because 'they' know that as oil supplies deplete, its' advantageous to control them. This does not affect the validity of climate change one way or the other. Our atmosphere isn't given, it's actively maintained by the the biosphere and given that we're the dominant species, it's hardly surprising that we can also modify it
walter0bz 3 months ago
@walter0bz You play right into the hands of of the Global Elite, watch "The Great American Bubble Machine" and learn something about Oil
MsTsarbomba 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba - please sumarise link?
i'm familiar with several anti peak oil mindsets, is it another?
[1] oil is actually renewable, abiotic.
[2] renewables are actually better than oil but 'monetary system requires use of Scarce resource for Profit'
[3] price signals will successfully transition, use of price/free market creates resources.
[4] free energy exists and is surprised by elites.
...all BS.
if there was enough/free energy, elites wouldn't bother with us.
walter0bz 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba -
When it works right, money approximates energy.( land=claim on solar).
we ended up with debt-expansion system because it matched the exponential growth possible under fossil-fueled conditions (population explosion by harnessing fossil-fuels). issuing new currency to correspond to the new energy released, issuing with gamble on how effectively it would be 'invested'.
Past peak oil, this collapses. back to c18th energy levels. we might have new knowledge but we also damaged enviro
walter0bz 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba -
the only way to avoid the dead end we're in would have been to have left the coal/oil in the ground. The rest of nature is based purely on recycling, it already has 'solar-powered nanotechnology' far in advance of anything we've engineered. some say tech will save us but i think our perception of tech really relates to the "energy lottery win" of fossil-fuels. our tech is crude compared to natures' systems
walter0bz 3 months ago
@walter0bz You see Socialists like you who are a bit older and are voted in by dickheads out there share common values with Bankers and other Corporate fascists
MsTsarbomba 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba -
how did you figure out i'm a socialist.
in your own words,please explain what has belief in gaia theory or peak oil got to do with socialism. i can't be bothered to watch the link. i'm aware of the various theories as to why peak oil / mmgw are scams, and i reject them.
walter0bz 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba
"Socialists like you who are a bit older and are voted in by dickheads out there share common values with Bankers and other Corporate fascists"
... aren't these things opposites ? you might be referring to Political Elite, (which i'm certainly not) when you say 'socialists', i.e. the socialist POLITICIANS who are at the top of the 'party politics' power pyramid, their power coming from voters, & delivering promises (peeps in central control)..
walter0bz 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba .. if that is the case you are using confusing language, perhaps when you say 'socialism' you mean 'centralization' / 'authoritarianism'.
i still don't see how belief in peak oil or mmgw implies a belief in authoritarianism.
if you rely on OIL for your daily life, you empower central controllers in the oil industry and hence the bankers who track how that weath(energy) trickles through society. You made them powerful when you forgot how to use your legs and chose to use a car, etc
walter0bz 3 months ago
@walter0bz Youtube "Agenda 21 for dummies"
MsTsarbomba 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba -
'agenda 21 depopulation'... by socialists? socialists want depopulation ??
socialism is a populist movement.
socialists claim that there's plenty of resources (e.g. oil) and that we just have to stop letting the rich hoard it.
VP is an example of socialist claims. "switch to renewables and peak oil isn't a problem!".
the rich might want to hoard land hence depopulate the poor. but their wealth is proportional to the 'power pyramid'. more debt-slaves,more consumers,e=more power.
walter0bz 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba -
"the rich" got there by providing for population growth - e.g. arbitrating world trade that allowed population to rise from 500m all the way up to 7billion and counting.
walter0bz 3 months ago
@walter0bz Peak Oil and Climate Change is bullshit performed by Rockefeller Goerge Sorros and a few other fat corporate Banking fascists, along with their Communist Socialist mates who want all humans rounded up and controlled in cramped 3rd world hellholes like the Communist Chinese have done and like whats happened in Britian since 1997
MsTsarbomba 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba -
peak oil = common sense. materials are finite. humans have multiplied 8X in numbers since the industrial revolution. Nature as we observe it, entropy always increases. ordering of matter (life, civilization, machines), is only temporary whilst there is energy being moved into higher entropy state. this happens slowly, renewably in the biosphere based on solar energy (order from sunlight turned into disorder radiated away as heat). fossil (stored solar) allowed sudden amplification
walter0bz 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba - Peak Oil is common sense.
it's also to be expected that some peeps will position selves to come out on top of scarcity (i.e. whoever is in power). it's going to be a zero sum game. today fossil fuels allow 7billion and counting, in the long run, earth will only support 2billion max (actual number depending on how much environmental damage we might have done). in C18th we had easy access minerals, high quality soil, high water tables.. all depleted or overused now , fossil lets us
walter0bz 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba - dig up coal and you hardly expect the coal to replenish itself, right? it's a solid rock, you burned it.
Oil is a liquid. People like you are used to seeing liquid come out of taps (running water) so you expect oil is the same, it will always perpetually flow.?? no. Like coal, it's a finite material that we dig up from the ground. Pull all the liquid out of a reservoir, it doesn't grow back. Earth is big but exponential growth makes short work of any reservoir. [more]
walter0bz 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba - earth is big but humans are the dominant species, we CAN overwhelm it. we have pushed out of our ecological niche and populated every corner, made things visible from space..
Like "free market idealists","Venus Project idealists",etc perhaps you make the mistake of assuming humans are separate from nature & all problems are caused/solveable through social means. Not so: we are bound by physics,biology, the natural world. atoms & joules etc, not $ or people determine outcome
walter0bz 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba - britain declined recently pure and simple because North Sea Oil peaked in 1999, & longer trend is decline from past heights. past heights from sea faring empire which caused new efficiencies of global trade(now common), & some outright plunder, then resource/tech advantage: coal->steam engine. coal superseded by oil & american empire. Unless we get fusion, there is no 1st world, industrial age continuing. modern comforts will require huge land per person, only elites will keep
walter0bz 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba -
industrial civilization has a limited lifespan because there is only so much we can dig up.
you take it for granted because you've known nothing else (generational memory too), and as it slips away you look for human scapegoats, because you think anthropocentrically
walter0bz 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba fascist communist socialists. lol. are you for real. the only rounding up that'll happen to you is the nice men in white coats coming with their nets
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walter0bz 3 months ago
@PraecoNoctis - sorry misread and was meaning to reply to MsTsarbomba
walter0bz 3 months ago
@PraecoNoctis Ah another Al Gore supporter hey fucker stick it up your arse
MsTsarbomba 3 months ago
@walter0bz British Labour wanted Britian turned into a 3rd world hellhole and former Blair advisor Andrew Neather admitted it
MsTsarbomba 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba -
when fossil fuel depletes, there IS no "1st world". we go back to living off what falls out of the sky. Only breakthrough like fusion could fix. i'm skeptical about modern 'renewables',all modern tech is subsidized by fossil energy in extraction and working of materials, transport allowing specialized society for high tech, etc. post fossil we will indeed go back to life of primitive each and manual labour (subsistence farming?) only small elite will keep modern comforts.
walter0bz 3 months ago
@walter0bz You are a perfect up and coming Candidate for the Communist Party and the Corporate Fascists who controll the EU and Wall Street
MsTsarbomba 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba - if you can debunk any of this i'm all ears
walter0bz 3 months ago
@walter0bz Ive already dubunked all your claims and youve learned that you are a result of Agenda 21
MsTsarbomba 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba -
try again.
please debunk peak oil, in your own words. I don't care about MMGW,
is oil going to run out?
if not, why not?
or if you think oil running out is not a problem, why ?
walter0bz 3 months ago
@walter0bz I dont understand all the dynamics about oil but I dont trust the fucking scumbag mainstream media telling us oil is about to run out tomorrow and the climate is heating which is complete utter fucking bullshit..... I like to hear many opinions and there are experts out there who say theres still plenty left.......... you watched "The Great American Bubble Machine" and saw how the fatfucks in Wall Street speculate the prices up while there was more supply than demand
MsTsarbomba 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba -
oil won't run out tomorrow. production is peaking about now - this was predicted 50 years ago, based on 40 year lag between peak discovery and peak production. USA peak discovery 1930's , peak production 1970's. same patter throughout the world, world peak discovery 60-70s , production about now . downhill from here on. hence the financial crisis (credit bubble was attempt to keep economy going without fesh resource)
walter0bz 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba -
bubbles do happen sure, but all bubbles usually exaggerate a genuine story (the event predicted happens, it's just the price gets exaggerated upfront.). railways, internet had bubbles associated with the idea these tech would revolutionize lives. oil running out is a dead cert, sure there will be bubbles along the way, some people will find a way to profit.
walter0bz 3 months ago
@walter0bz Agenda 21 is full of Communists and fucking Corporate Bankers who we are all slaves to in the Western World
MsTsarbomba 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba -
'communists'/'corporate bankers' ?
Q1 if there was plenty of energy, why would "they" bother with us. what would "they" want all the land for.
Q2 What are the key differences between life in the Western world and life in the 3rd world.
Q3 of the answers to Q2, how many DO involve oil/fossilfuel, and how many DONT involve oil/fossilfuel
walter0bz 3 months ago
@walter0bz Theres so much energy out there, if the free markets were allowed to operate there would be abundance of available energy sources and so much thriving competition, but at the moment a few Elite corporate fatcats controll Governments and politicians. They dont want thriving competition out there
MsTsarbomba 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba -
energy is the basis for money. Land in the past - land ownership=wealth, and today, oil (petrodollar).
petrodollar empire comes to an end with oil.
there isn't "so much energy". life is inherently an energy burning process so it always is on the edge of scarcity. every piece of complexity in nature is added to find some new niche. we specialized ourselves to this one dead end finite resource over the past 200 years
walter0bz 3 months ago
@walter0bz So the corporate fatcats will always manufacture in the cheapest 3rd world country and never want competition so they can charge and controll all of us.
At the moment I dont think their is much difference between the 3rd world and Western World, most Western countries Ive been to of late are shitholes especially Britian
MsTsarbomba 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba -
if corporations are so evil, why do we voluntarily use their products. why don't we just boycott them and barter with each other using what we can make in our own back gardens.
is it because oil-fueled industry makes individual manpower look pathetic ? is it because once you've experienced fossil-fueled super-abundance, you can't go back?
walter0bz 3 months ago
@walter0bz Well the Western World is going back the to stone age, dont worry about that with the useless solar panels and power turbines you love so we are using less oil and going back to the stoneage
MsTsarbomba 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba -
it's not a choice!! i don't want solar panels/wind turbines, i certainly don't love them.
The oil age is temporary - which part of that don't you understand?
you can't change the laws of physics. finite substances run out.
Oil was like splurging a lottery win - fun till it ran out.
THe real problem is naive people having kids expecting their oil-based lifestyles can continue.
walter0bz 3 months ago
@walter0bz Bullshit bullshit bullshit bullshit the USA has lots of oil stil, the world is freezing right now because its entering an ice age. Here in Australia its nearly Summer right now and we're freezing like they are in the Northern Hemisphere. You keep believing Bill Gates John D Rockefeller and George Sorros and the Globalist Banking scumbags
MsTsarbomba 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba -
"lots of oil" but produceable how fast?
Half what we started is still "Lots", but earth now has dramatically more people who also demand more oil. 1.5billion people at start of oil age, 7billion people today. if that growth continues, you always reach a crisis point where there is only enough for one get. e.g. imagine a family living off inheritance, but then dividing it between many kids gen after gen. it WILL run out.
walter0bz 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba -
regarding gates rockefeller sorros, you get cause and effect the wrong way round. we live in a world of scarcity, especially because we multiply so fast overwhelming our environment (e.g. today there are people alive who have seen the population triple). so those who can get ahead of the common man thrive. we trample over each other. Some say the strife/population pressure/wars etc is the only way to evolve, sadly, i hope not.
walter0bz 3 months ago
@walter0bz You just believe Man is hopeless and must be ruled and that he cant overcome problems. Fire then Coal then Oil then Nuclear then Thermonuclear etc etc man will overcome anything
MsTsarbomba 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba -
yes man will usually over-reach. most people are hopeless.
sure , Humans WILL survive peak oil. but not MOST of them. most will meet a miserable end..
man cannot overcome anything, man is still bounded by physical laws. our recent progress is on the back of millions of years of dead algae, sorry. man is one part of the biosphere,not "made in gods image" or anything.
walter0bz 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba --
if we solve thermonuclear, then indeed thats a game changer, but the consensus behind housing bubble for example is that we're most likely in for permanent unfixable scarcity.
thermonuclear: bombs work because they're unconfined. Sun works because it has 99.86% of solar system mass to make gravity confine. it may always be a technical impossibility to do it in a reactor. i think its ballpark 1-10% chance that we see working fusion in our lifetime
walter0bz 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba - my point is, we needed a global 1 child policy starting in the 1980's (even starting now would be better than nothing), it's all about peak oil. oil allowed the human population to multiply exponentially (more energy=more life, less energy=less life), food and energy are interchangeable, money just micromanages how its transformed, housing bubble was mass consensus that scarcity is coming, but we've known for many decades certainly since 1970s
walter0bz 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba - whilst the oil was flowing, oil multiplied the capacity of the land, with modern agri we could turn oil energy into food and hence more people.
this is the reason for non-jobs both in public sector and even in private sector (service industries...) - whilst Fossil-Fueled machines looked after us (e.g. only 2% of labour required to make food), there was simply less need for human labour and paradoxically increased carrying capacity. but when oil peaks that trend goes into reverse
walter0bz 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba
- "You believe that its things here on Earth determining the climate",
hey you fucking moron... where does oxygen come from.
walter0bz 3 months ago
@walter0bz Ah you are a young naive idiot indocrinated by the Left you are another little freak who will never produce anything in the Private Sector but get a lifeling bludge in a Government Department your a fucking blight and you have no idea and fuck the UK its fucked
MsTsarbomba 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba -
no, I am convinced by my education and analysis of the real world. It's made of physics,chemistry, biology, the currency is energy (entropy) not human social systems like left v right. I peeled back the layers since housing bubble& iraq war.
I've never worked in the public sector thanks, only private sector.
but if you were right and there were ample resources, there would be no need for 'Right' politics, 'Left' would work fine.
walter0bz 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba - yes, the sun goes through sunspot cycles. also the sun has been getting hotter.
and C02 was much higher in the past.
dead planets (how earth started) have higher c02 in the atmosphere, and no free oxygen, because oxygen is so reactive it combines.
when life started, it evolved balancing mechanisms (through random trial and error), symbioses with life forms recycling each others waste. it turned out that by reducing C02 life could thrive more cooling earth against rising sun temp
walter0bz 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba -
too much oxygen and you get forrest fires. not enough, you can't have animal life. it's finely balanced at a precise level, not just random. when oxygen first started being generated it was a harmful corrosive waste product and it drove the original anaerobic life underground. animals evolved to recycle the 02 plant waste product & balanced it out
walter0bz 3 months ago
@walter0bz Ah your full of shit like a true little docrinated Leftist you wouldnt know your elbow from your arse
MsTsarbomba 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba
whats belief or otherwise in MMGW got to do with being or not being a Leftist ?
walter0bz 3 months ago
@walter0bz Just remember James Lovelock is now telling morons like you that your full of shit even he changed his mind
MsTsarbomba 3 months ago
@MsTsarbomba - i googled and found him half quoted out of context.
MMGW doesn't matter.
It is a moot point.
The real problem regarding population is Peak Oil. we have no choice but to figure out how to live without fossil-fuels, because there won't be any.
but regarding, MMGW, it's highly likely we're damaging something - we have fast forwarded a geological age.
walter0bz 3 months ago
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Humanity needs a change of heart
Check out William Tarkovskys eco-video The Book of New Creation
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