Nice Shooting. FYI the a zone on a IPSC target is 43.4 square inches and the 5 zone on a IDPA target is 50.3 square inches. IPSC is actually a smaller target area.
Thanks your correct and I guess it would be more correct to say that most shooters with a good grip will tend to miss with their elevation and not windage when pushing their speed, making the IPSC A zone an easier target for this drill.
@ssdsurf: Thanks a lot, Sir, for the time spent and explanations given to answer my questions. I am a bullseye competitor and it's the same: a hit that breaks the line is scored higher. I've intentionally made it more challenging to count it to the lower scoring area. Makes a lot of sense to count any overtime shot minus 5 points. In fact, I did that during my first attempt. I agree, a grace of .25 sec simply destroys the whole effort of the exercise.
Two more question, Sir: Does overtime result in a penalty (deduction of score)?
I assume that, if the target is hit, the hit doesn't count (no score), but what if the overtime shot is a clear miss. Is it a zero or must further points deducted from the score?
I have been told that any shot after the time limit is a minus 5 points. So you get your total score WITH complete misses included in this final score, THEN you minus another 5 points. Overtime misses are devastating, especially if you have a low stage score to begin with. Some people give themselves a .25 sec grace period, but that is NOT correct. Needless to say you are better off with 2 or 3 points from C and D hits, than to go over the time limit.
@ssdsurf: Tried this course of fire for the first time yesterday. I was very strict with my scoring. I rated a hit that cut the line, of which I had several, down to the lower scoring area. Had two misses and one overtime with a final result of 232 points, using my stock G17 with NY-2 trigger module, a Comp-Tac kydex holster and Wilson kydes mag pouch. I've found that stages #1 - 4 and 10 to be the most difficult.
Any hit that breaks a line in any fashion is counted as the higher point score. So your total score would have been higher. As explained the overtime penalties, combined with say a poor scoring stage will really hurt your overall score. Usually once you get the timing down, overtime is much less of a problem. It is more common to see overtime happen in stages 1 thru 7, especially if you screw up the draw.
Just to clarify a "hit breaking the line", is counted, if the grease ring from the bullet itself breaks the line, not just tearing of the paper target breaking the line.
I have a CCW and I will try that course of fire soon with my G17 and later, my alternate gun, a S&W model 67 revolver. I suppose, it's much more difficult with the revolver.
@ssdsurf: I guess, using a DA revolver in that course of fire might become extremely interesting! I'll give that a try. Stage 13 should be modified a bit for revolver use in order to implement a real tactical reload, not a speed reload, which invariably would be required as cylinder only holds 6 rounds. I am hooked on that shooting drill!
You could perhaps add a tac reload during each 6 shot string and maybe increase the time a bit. Or instead of a speed reload after the first 6, you might hand load all 6 rounds behind cover as in a tactical reload, for the final string of fire. Of course we wouldn't tac reload all 6 rounds but it will put you through the motions. :)
It is indeed a very good drill. Definitely worth shooting. It will quickly let you know where you stand with your skills and will expose your weaknesses, or area's that you need to work on.
Nice Shooting. FYI the a zone on a IPSC target is 43.4 square inches and the 5 zone on a IDPA target is 50.3 square inches. IPSC is actually a smaller target area.
schreier72 4 months ago
@schreier72
Thanks your correct and I guess it would be more correct to say that most shooters with a good grip will tend to miss with their elevation and not windage when pushing their speed, making the IPSC A zone an easier target for this drill.
ssdsurf 4 months ago
@ssdsurf: Thanks a lot, Sir, for the time spent and explanations given to answer my questions. I am a bullseye competitor and it's the same: a hit that breaks the line is scored higher. I've intentionally made it more challenging to count it to the lower scoring area. Makes a lot of sense to count any overtime shot minus 5 points. In fact, I did that during my first attempt. I agree, a grace of .25 sec simply destroys the whole effort of the exercise.
Karamojo7mm 1 year ago
Two more question, Sir: Does overtime result in a penalty (deduction of score)?
I assume that, if the target is hit, the hit doesn't count (no score), but what if the overtime shot is a clear miss. Is it a zero or must further points deducted from the score?
Karamojo7mm 1 year ago
@Karamojo7mm
I have been told that any shot after the time limit is a minus 5 points. So you get your total score WITH complete misses included in this final score, THEN you minus another 5 points. Overtime misses are devastating, especially if you have a low stage score to begin with. Some people give themselves a .25 sec grace period, but that is NOT correct. Needless to say you are better off with 2 or 3 points from C and D hits, than to go over the time limit.
ssdsurf 1 year ago
@ssdsurf: Tried this course of fire for the first time yesterday. I was very strict with my scoring. I rated a hit that cut the line, of which I had several, down to the lower scoring area. Had two misses and one overtime with a final result of 232 points, using my stock G17 with NY-2 trigger module, a Comp-Tac kydex holster and Wilson kydes mag pouch. I've found that stages #1 - 4 and 10 to be the most difficult.
Karamojo7mm 1 year ago
@Karamojo7mm
Any hit that breaks a line in any fashion is counted as the higher point score. So your total score would have been higher. As explained the overtime penalties, combined with say a poor scoring stage will really hurt your overall score. Usually once you get the timing down, overtime is much less of a problem. It is more common to see overtime happen in stages 1 thru 7, especially if you screw up the draw.
ssdsurf 1 year ago
Just to clarify a "hit breaking the line", is counted, if the grease ring from the bullet itself breaks the line, not just tearing of the paper target breaking the line.
ssdsurf 1 year ago
I have a CCW and I will try that course of fire soon with my G17 and later, my alternate gun, a S&W model 67 revolver. I suppose, it's much more difficult with the revolver.
Karamojo7mm 1 year ago
@Karamojo7mm
You will definitely need to be quick with your reloads with a revolver. ;)
ssdsurf 1 year ago
@ssdsurf: I guess, using a DA revolver in that course of fire might become extremely interesting! I'll give that a try. Stage 13 should be modified a bit for revolver use in order to implement a real tactical reload, not a speed reload, which invariably would be required as cylinder only holds 6 rounds. I am hooked on that shooting drill!
Karamojo7mm 1 year ago
@Karamojo7mm
You could perhaps add a tac reload during each 6 shot string and maybe increase the time a bit. Or instead of a speed reload after the first 6, you might hand load all 6 rounds behind cover as in a tactical reload, for the final string of fire. Of course we wouldn't tac reload all 6 rounds but it will put you through the motions. :)
ssdsurf 1 year ago
Nice shooting. I'm going to have to try this when I get a chance.
1341usmc 1 year ago
@1341usmc
It is indeed a very good drill. Definitely worth shooting. It will quickly let you know where you stand with your skills and will expose your weaknesses, or area's that you need to work on.
ssdsurf 1 year ago