interesting point: much of this song is from Ephesians 2:8-9. many theologians have tried to nail the "this is the gift of God" solely to "you have been saved." However, the grammatical structure of this verse in NT Greek demands "this is the gift of God" to refer to the entire first phrase "For by grace you have been saved through faith." This means that the "grace" and the "faith" are just as much gifts from God as having "been saved."
Shame on K-Love for cuttin' off the openin' drums! They made the song for me. God bless ya, for postin' all of it! Thanx! BTW, is that Derek Webb singin' lead? Please let me know. Have a great weekend!
I loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooove this song :')
I AM THANKFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IM INCAPEABLE!!! OF DOIN ANY GOOD ON MY OWWWWWWWN! YEAH xD :) hehe XD <3 thanks a bunch for this video :) I'm thankful ;D
Great song. I love that it acknowledge's any good that we do is not of ourselves but occurs by us only by the grace and strength of God. Praise God. God bless all of my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ for fighting the good fight, by the grace of God we will soon finish the race. I'm praying for all of you as the Lord continues to perform his perfect will.
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Not sure what the debate is about and haven't read many of the comments, but it's very clear that this song is reformed/calvinistic in nature. The song itself contains the T, I, and P in "TULIP". The part about Lazerus is a common point calvinist use to prove the I in Tulip.
God is honoured and that's ten times more important. However, you do have a point that Caedmon's Call's theology is not only in line with Scripture, but also the historic Christian Church, specifically the Reformers :)
@futurehollywood22 As believers & followers of Jesus Christ,the singer is singing about his own clothing (works,good deeds) as no good and waiting for our heavenly clothing (Christ will clothe us with His Glory),that our good works are the same as filthy rags (no one is ever going to be "good Enough" to get to heaven,we are allsinners who need a Saviour) & in the Word God makes it clear that none seek after Him.We are all lost until His Spirit begins to call us.God Bless you.
@ EebstertheGreat AND @AtlantiansAnAlteran: neither of you are getting the message.
FREE WILL AND GRACE ARE A GIFT FROM GOD!
Atlantians you are being legalistic and judgmental.
Eebster you have the right to your opinion but don't pigeonhole all of us that believe in God as mindless, weak fools. You stated "You say we have the "privelege" of worshiping God. I say nobody deserves worship for their nature but for their deeds." God does deeds every day by leading us through chaos.
It dawns on me the if i were able, in ANY way....i would not have needed Christ!.... I am thankful i am incapable! However.... Phl 4:13 "I can do ALL things THROUGH Christ who strengthens me"
Uh, you're thankful? Thankful that you were created, as you believe, incapable of doing what you are demanded to do by your creator? What an excellent summary of Christian doctrine, I hope you succeed in spreading the Word!
What a ridiculous philosophy. I can't imagine believing people were incapable of doing good--how depressing! How demoralizing! How utterly morally self-defeating.
"Depressing until you get washed clean with God's forgiveness."
Think about what you just said. You are saying that we all are incapable of doing good, so instead are condemned to perpetual cycles of sin and forgiveness, rendering morality irrelevant. I will concede that we all make mistakes, but we can overcome these on our own. We don't need to sit around saying "I am an unworthy waste of life. Forgive me!" Instead, we should try to help ourselves and make the right decisions on our own.
@AtlantiansAnAlteran I said, "we should try to help ourselves and make the right decisions on our own." You disagree with this? You think it is narcissism to believe in humanity's ability to improve itself?
I don't understand how you can possibly support this idea that we are all helpless, all incapable of good without someone else's undeserved grace. We know from experience that people are capable of great things, but you prefer to ignore that and lament their wretchedness.
@AtlantiansAnAlteran I have done just fine on my own, thank you very much. You should try it sometime.
Every time theists tell us we cannot do something, we do it anyways. This idea that we are incapable and worthless is a purely destructive one, and not commensurate with reality.
And if God exists, well he can do just fine on his own, too. He doesn't need my worship and I don't need his grace. It's time people stop living vicariously off authority and start solving their own problems.
You don't even have a basis to judge what is "improved" or not.
Who are you to lecture me on self-improvement and human value?
In your own world-view, what is "worth" or "value" anyway? We are all just the accidental random results of chance chemical reactions. You and I just do whatever it is we do at our temperature.
God doesn't 'need' anything. We have the privilege of worshiping him.
You have no authority to base your views upon. Get off your soup box.
@AtlantiansAnAlteran Don't give me that "atheists have no morals" bullshit. I have values and value and they aren't based on what some ultimate authority said. While your morals are "might makes right," I actually attempt to consider right and wrong from the standpoint of the oppressed, not the oppressor. While you blindly follow lists of rules, I try to base my moral decisions on reason and compassion.
You say we have the "privelege" of worshiping God. I say nobody deserves worship for their nature but for their deeds. We do not praise Gandhi for his natural talent, but for his incredible compassion and sacrifice. It is telling that when Job, dying and stripped of all dignity, demands a trial with God, God denies him even this. Rather than justify his horrendous actions, God appeals to his own strength, asking rhetorically, "where were you?" As though his status made atrocities moot.
Tell me, Atlantian, if God is the ultimate authority, what basis do YOU have for determining what is right? There exist both demons and angels in your philosophy. God is just right because he is the strongest? No, I think it is clear that we can judge right and wrong on our own, without resorting to invented myths and monsters.
I have no authority to base my views upon? So much the better! The only authority I recognize is human decency. Perhaps some day you will realize this is a human trait.
@AtlantiansAnAlteran Did you not read my post? This "mere man" has rights, too, and nobody can morally bully me out of them. Might does not make right. do you dispute this? Or do you really think that because God is strong enough to rule me, it is morally acceptable for him to do whatever he pleases?
This is what I mean when I say it is you who utterly lack morals.
@EebstertheGreat You hate the God who created you. He is the one who alone has rights to His creation. He owns all. Every breath you take, you are stealing His air.
How dare you mere man make yourself out to lecture God.
That is truly reprehensible.
My 'morality' is based on the revelations of the immutable, omniscient, holy, and just character of God. Not on anything less.
Ergo, you have no authority to lecture anyone about anything. Your views are baseless.
@AtlantiansAnAlteran You have made your views exceedingly clear. Might makes right. Anything God does is automatically right because he is so powerful, we are unable to challenge him. This is the equivalent of saying that a government that oppresses its citizens is right in doing so because it is more powerful than they. I don't think I will get any further in this conversation if that is truly your opinion of morality.
I just pray this version isn't disabled like the others! This is a powerful song and on YouTube it has a wider audience... and for those who have an ear to hear, it rings absolutely true. Praise the Lord forever! Shalom
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interesting point: much of this song is from Ephesians 2:8-9. many theologians have tried to nail the "this is the gift of God" solely to "you have been saved." However, the grammatical structure of this verse in NT Greek demands "this is the gift of God" to refer to the entire first phrase "For by grace you have been saved through faith." This means that the "grace" and the "faith" are just as much gifts from God as having "been saved."
boughtdeadbyChrist 5 months ago
Shame on K-Love for cuttin' off the openin' drums! They made the song for me. God bless ya, for postin' all of it! Thanx! BTW, is that Derek Webb singin' lead? Please let me know. Have a great weekend!
DaveWollenberg 6 months ago
I loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooove this song :')
I AM THANKFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IM INCAPEABLE!!! OF DOIN ANY GOOD ON MY OWWWWWWWN! YEAH xD :) hehe XD <3 thanks a bunch for this video :) I'm thankful ;D
BeeLuOriginals 6 months ago
PickinNgrinin Yup! me too for the same reasons.lol
RawBrilliance 10 months ago
This video needs more views.
Tusk15 10 months ago
Great song. I love that it acknowledge's any good that we do is not of ourselves but occurs by us only by the grace and strength of God. Praise God. God bless all of my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ for fighting the good fight, by the grace of God we will soon finish the race. I'm praying for all of you as the Lord continues to perform his perfect will.
haaakkkk2010 11 months ago
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marhoekful 1 year ago
I always loved this song. Thanks for the video.
julio4Christ 1 year ago
Not sure what the debate is about and haven't read many of the comments, but it's very clear that this song is reformed/calvinistic in nature. The song itself contains the T, I, and P in "TULIP". The part about Lazerus is a common point calvinist use to prove the I in Tulip.
cougarsrule45 1 year ago
The music and lyrics are so uplifting!
It speaks of humility: I am thankful for my inadequacy; for in my brokenness I am that much closer to seeing who it is that can lift me up.
PrimalRhythm 1 year ago
John Calvin would have really liked this song. haha.
PickinNgrinin 1 year ago 13
God is honoured and that's ten times more important. However, you do have a point that Caedmon's Call's theology is not only in line with Scripture, but also the historic Christian Church, specifically the Reformers :)
boughtdeadbyChrist 5 months ago
@futurehollywood22 neither am i...
0871368021 1 year ago
@futurehollywood22 go and google John 3:3 it's especialy for you. good luck.
0871368021 1 year ago
@futurehollywood22 As believers & followers of Jesus Christ,the singer is singing about his own clothing (works,good deeds) as no good and waiting for our heavenly clothing (Christ will clothe us with His Glory),that our good works are the same as filthy rags (no one is ever going to be "good Enough" to get to heaven,we are allsinners who need a Saviour) & in the Word God makes it clear that none seek after Him.We are all lost until His Spirit begins to call us.God Bless you.
0871368021 1 year ago
@ EebstertheGreat AND @AtlantiansAnAlteran: neither of you are getting the message.
FREE WILL AND GRACE ARE A GIFT FROM GOD!
Atlantians you are being legalistic and judgmental.
Eebster you have the right to your opinion but don't pigeonhole all of us that believe in God as mindless, weak fools. You stated "You say we have the "privelege" of worshiping God. I say nobody deserves worship for their nature but for their deeds." God does deeds every day by leading us through chaos.
kiwismom08 1 year ago
It dawns on me the if i were able, in ANY way....i would not have needed Christ!.... I am thankful i am incapable! However.... Phl 4:13 "I can do ALL things THROUGH Christ who strengthens me"
Grammy4WoW 2 years ago
Excellent. Thanks for this vid.
enslaved2God 2 years ago 2
You are welcome.
thejfklives 2 years ago
Uh, you're thankful? Thankful that you were created, as you believe, incapable of doing what you are demanded to do by your creator? What an excellent summary of Christian doctrine, I hope you succeed in spreading the Word!
Pluvialis 2 years ago
What a ridiculous philosophy. I can't imagine believing people were incapable of doing good--how depressing! How demoralizing! How utterly morally self-defeating.
EebstertheGreat 2 years ago
@EebstertheGreat
Depressing until you get washed clean with God's forgiveness, yeah. :)
Then it's pretty amazing realizing that God loved us for no reason while we were still sinners...amazing stuff!
hollyberryjoan 2 years ago
"Depressing until you get washed clean with God's forgiveness."
Think about what you just said. You are saying that we all are incapable of doing good, so instead are condemned to perpetual cycles of sin and forgiveness, rendering morality irrelevant. I will concede that we all make mistakes, but we can overcome these on our own. We don't need to sit around saying "I am an unworthy waste of life. Forgive me!" Instead, we should try to help ourselves and make the right decisions on our own.
EebstertheGreat 2 years ago
@EebstertheGreat what narcissistic humanistic drivel.
AtlantiansAnAlteran 2 years ago
@AtlantiansAnAlteran I said, "we should try to help ourselves and make the right decisions on our own." You disagree with this? You think it is narcissism to believe in humanity's ability to improve itself?
I don't understand how you can possibly support this idea that we are all helpless, all incapable of good without someone else's undeserved grace. We know from experience that people are capable of great things, but you prefer to ignore that and lament their wretchedness.
EebstertheGreat 2 years ago
@EebstertheGreat any good that human's do is by the grace of God to begin with. Left to our own we would be a society of Stalins.
And for your record, I was calling this statement narcissism:
"I will concede that we all make mistakes, but we can overcome these on our own."
We can do it on our own! We don't need God! We are good enough ourselves!
Narcissistic humanism at its dullest.
AtlantiansAnAlteran 2 years ago
@AtlantiansAnAlteran I have done just fine on my own, thank you very much. You should try it sometime.
Every time theists tell us we cannot do something, we do it anyways. This idea that we are incapable and worthless is a purely destructive one, and not commensurate with reality.
And if God exists, well he can do just fine on his own, too. He doesn't need my worship and I don't need his grace. It's time people stop living vicariously off authority and start solving their own problems.
EebstertheGreat 2 years ago
@EebstertheGreat You are an atheist?
You don't even have a basis to judge what is "improved" or not.
Who are you to lecture me on self-improvement and human value?
In your own world-view, what is "worth" or "value" anyway? We are all just the accidental random results of chance chemical reactions. You and I just do whatever it is we do at our temperature.
God doesn't 'need' anything. We have the privilege of worshiping him.
You have no authority to base your views upon. Get off your soup box.
AtlantiansAnAlteran 2 years ago
@AtlantiansAnAlteran Don't give me that "atheists have no morals" bullshit. I have values and value and they aren't based on what some ultimate authority said. While your morals are "might makes right," I actually attempt to consider right and wrong from the standpoint of the oppressed, not the oppressor. While you blindly follow lists of rules, I try to base my moral decisions on reason and compassion.
(cont.)
EebstertheGreat 2 years ago
You say we have the "privelege" of worshiping God. I say nobody deserves worship for their nature but for their deeds. We do not praise Gandhi for his natural talent, but for his incredible compassion and sacrifice. It is telling that when Job, dying and stripped of all dignity, demands a trial with God, God denies him even this. Rather than justify his horrendous actions, God appeals to his own strength, asking rhetorically, "where were you?" As though his status made atrocities moot.
(cont.)
EebstertheGreat 2 years ago
Tell me, Atlantian, if God is the ultimate authority, what basis do YOU have for determining what is right? There exist both demons and angels in your philosophy. God is just right because he is the strongest? No, I think it is clear that we can judge right and wrong on our own, without resorting to invented myths and monsters.
I have no authority to base my views upon? So much the better! The only authority I recognize is human decency. Perhaps some day you will realize this is a human trait.
EebstertheGreat 2 years ago
@EebstertheGreat God created the Angels. Some of whom rebelled. You have no familiarity with the beliefs you reject. How sad.
As for "human decency".
That is purely arbitrary and subjective to your personal views.
AtlantiansAnAlteran 2 years ago
@EebstertheGreat What arrogance. A mere man like you seeks to judge God. How sad.
AtlantiansAnAlteran 2 years ago
@AtlantiansAnAlteran Did you not read my post? This "mere man" has rights, too, and nobody can morally bully me out of them. Might does not make right. do you dispute this? Or do you really think that because God is strong enough to rule me, it is morally acceptable for him to do whatever he pleases?
This is what I mean when I say it is you who utterly lack morals.
EebstertheGreat 1 year ago
@EebstertheGreat You hate the God who created you. He is the one who alone has rights to His creation. He owns all. Every breath you take, you are stealing His air.
How dare you mere man make yourself out to lecture God.
That is truly reprehensible.
My 'morality' is based on the revelations of the immutable, omniscient, holy, and just character of God. Not on anything less.
Ergo, you have no authority to lecture anyone about anything. Your views are baseless.
Stop kicking against the goads.
AtlantiansAnAlteran 1 year ago
@AtlantiansAnAlteran You have made your views exceedingly clear. Might makes right. Anything God does is automatically right because he is so powerful, we are unable to challenge him. This is the equivalent of saying that a government that oppresses its citizens is right in doing so because it is more powerful than they. I don't think I will get any further in this conversation if that is truly your opinion of morality.
EebstertheGreat 1 year ago
@EebstertheGreat I never said "atheists don't have morals".
I said: You don't have a rationale basis on which to base your dogmatic proclamations on morality and human value.
Big difference there.
Please refrain from cussing, and show some 'human decency'.
AtlantiansAnAlteran 2 years ago
I just pray this version isn't disabled like the others! This is a powerful song and on YouTube it has a wider audience... and for those who have an ear to hear, it rings absolutely true. Praise the Lord forever! Shalom
ourlostrose 2 years ago
I just loved this song from the moment I first heard it about 5 years ago
MegaRobert57 2 years ago 11
Me too! And the amazing guy who played it to me xxxxx
Yes, I tapped my feet. :( I lost. Boohoo.
HomegirlOfJezu 2 years ago