@twiztidlestat I dig the Motor City Machineguns cause I love that type of wrestling and their teamwork, but I'd say Kings of Wrestling are the better wrestlers and have more ability as individual draws and talent, plus they're better on the mic. Sabin and Shelley without each other aren't as good as Castagnoli and Hero by themselves.
So, MCMG are the better tag team, and KoW are the better individual wrestlers.
@madmanco17 --One of the best talkers on the indy scene right now, if not the very best, is CZW champion Jon Moxley. He is wrestling Bryan Danielson upcoming at a DGUSA show.
Don't get me wrong, ROH will have to scoop Moxley sometime. He quite simply is a better talker and has a better character than almost anyone on the ROH roster. And I mean anyone.
Mox is that damn good.
I don't care if he indulges in CZW garbage wrestling from time to time.
@madmanco17 Especially with ROH getting raided by WWE recently. Also, the guy in Jersey that has been trying to start a company has been rumored to be in talks with ROH guys. I also heard he has spoken with Jericho and a bunch of disgruntled TNA talent.
chris hero was a lot better at this point in time b4 he went to japan and decided he just wanted to throw forearms. I liked his mike quakenbush style of wrestling
iirc, at the time gabe refused to use hero in ROH because he wasn't "athletic" looking enough...at least that was the rumor. hero was bitter about that, but no doubt, he wanted to go to roh as roh moves wrestlers careers along and gives them a certain notoriety that he could never get from czw. not to metion czw doesn't pay shit. at the time, hero probably craved that notoriety and he was denied....thus the shoot. he's now in roh and all is well evidently.
@BURNINGHAMMER76 at the time, that was what hero/ian were claiming when asked why hero wasn't ever booked in ROH after hero/punk were tearing it up on the indie scene. i'm talking 2002-2003, not recent.
because hero wore a shirt, was "flabby", etc. gabe didn't want to use him...instead they booked punk because he was :"athletic" looking. obviously now ROH doesn't care and they book him all the time...plus gabe isn't even employed by ROH anymore.
@Cap420 02-03... you mean when Samoa Joe was beginning to terrorize/own ROH??? Hero simply couldn't work at ROH levels... his psychology has ALWAYS been his detriment, and until he examines his weaknesses and shores them up, he'll never realize his full potential (which COULD be HUGE)
You Are an Asshole Men, Hero loves Rap Music, and there are a lot of photos in the internet of Hero with Black People, so Investigate before saying Bullshit.
Even if that is the case, Trent Acid has said in a recent interview that Hero and Claudio were only sent away because once they started working for ROH they began asking for rediculous amounts of money. It's sad, especially since CZW is the company that made these guys the indy stars they are today.
listen dope, CZW MADE those guys and gave creditibility to PWG. I know thats blasphamy not seeing as CZW s nothing today, but back then it set the standard for indy wrestling.
@paynexkillerAOTF It ended with a Double Show Cage of Death. It was War Games style with Homicide saving ROH in the end. And then this led to a Homicide vs Jim Cornette feud in ROH.
I feel so bad for laughing at the fact that this led to Pancoast getting flung down the stairs and Mike Burns getting fired/leaving but....I can't help it, lol.
Well, essentially Chris Hero did this shoot without telling Zandig that he was going to. Mike Burns/Pancoast knew though, and apparently when Zandig found out he freaked the hell out and SUPPOSEDLY threw Pancoast down a flight of stairs, leading to Burns leaving as booker, and CZW losing the production stuff that Pancoast brought (since he left).
@pureathlete89 he was pissed because Hero said that to set up a ROH vs CZW fued that was planned, but Zandig didn't know about. The fued was not real, but he really ended up losing Chris Hero and Necro Butcher as they eventually went to work for ROH full time. Thats probably what he was afraid would happen
I wish the Crowd would STFU so I can fucking hear what he's saying.
Goddamn CZW Fans.
TheSuperplex1001 1 year ago
Heres a question to real wrestling fans. What is the better tag team out right now. Kings of Wrestling or Motor city machine guns?
twiztidlestat 1 year ago
@twiztidlestat The American Wolves.
Asushlo 1 year ago
@Asushlo
Good pick, Can't argue this, but of the two choices, which do you prefer?
twiztidlestat 1 year ago
@twiztidlestat I dig the Motor City Machineguns cause I love that type of wrestling and their teamwork, but I'd say Kings of Wrestling are the better wrestlers and have more ability as individual draws and talent, plus they're better on the mic. Sabin and Shelley without each other aren't as good as Castagnoli and Hero by themselves.
So, MCMG are the better tag team, and KoW are the better individual wrestlers.
Asushlo 1 year ago
.....and now, he and claudio is still in ROH holding their tag titles, think about it
TheMan750 1 year ago
Way better Angles are done in Indies!!!
StanKingston420 1 year ago 2
hero would fuck up anyone in tna and wwe!
humankiller99 1 year ago
czw isn't even wrestling, roh its where its at
madmanco17 1 year ago
@madmanco17 --One of the best talkers on the indy scene right now, if not the very best, is CZW champion Jon Moxley. He is wrestling Bryan Danielson upcoming at a DGUSA show.
Don't get me wrong, ROH will have to scoop Moxley sometime. He quite simply is a better talker and has a better character than almost anyone on the ROH roster. And I mean anyone.
Mox is that damn good.
I don't care if he indulges in CZW garbage wrestling from time to time.
MAJS444 1 year ago
@MAJS444 I agree, Moxley is someone who can easily make it in ROH and any wrestling promotion. ROH definitely needs to get him soon.
madmanco17 1 year ago 2
@madmanco17 Especially with ROH getting raided by WWE recently. Also, the guy in Jersey that has been trying to start a company has been rumored to be in talks with ROH guys. I also heard he has spoken with Jericho and a bunch of disgruntled TNA talent.
kappakate57 1 year ago
ALL HAIL THE KINGS OF WRESTLING
TheMan750 1 year ago
Fuck ROH. There fans r a bunch of faggots
SavingSociety13 1 year ago
chris hero was a lot better at this point in time b4 he went to japan and decided he just wanted to throw forearms. I liked his mike quakenbush style of wrestling
BURNINGHAMMER76 1 year ago
iirc, at the time gabe refused to use hero in ROH because he wasn't "athletic" looking enough...at least that was the rumor. hero was bitter about that, but no doubt, he wanted to go to roh as roh moves wrestlers careers along and gives them a certain notoriety that he could never get from czw. not to metion czw doesn't pay shit. at the time, hero probably craved that notoriety and he was denied....thus the shoot. he's now in roh and all is well evidently.
Cap420 1 year ago
i doubt he wasnt athletic looking enuf. They dont care about that in roh all they care about is that u can put on a good match.
BURNINGHAMMER76 1 year ago
@BURNINGHAMMER76 at the time, that was what hero/ian were claiming when asked why hero wasn't ever booked in ROH after hero/punk were tearing it up on the indie scene. i'm talking 2002-2003, not recent.
because hero wore a shirt, was "flabby", etc. gabe didn't want to use him...instead they booked punk because he was :"athletic" looking. obviously now ROH doesn't care and they book him all the time...plus gabe isn't even employed by ROH anymore.
Cap420 1 year ago
@Cap420 02-03... you mean when Samoa Joe was beginning to terrorize/own ROH??? Hero simply couldn't work at ROH levels... his psychology has ALWAYS been his detriment, and until he examines his weaknesses and shores them up, he'll never realize his full potential (which COULD be HUGE)
HooliganMovement 1 year ago
Just look at czw now? What a waste of so-called wrestling time*
dannybammy 2 years ago 3
And they're all in ROH now....
MAJS444 2 years ago 9
AIRHORN!!!
bloodviolence 2 years ago
Is that Claudio Castagnoli with Hero?
ciaranod 2 years ago 4
Yes it is, together they've had collectively over 100 matches together.
nodqisme222 2 years ago 2
Thanks. I thought it was. I know they are best friends and everything but I didn't know
ciaranod 2 years ago 2
anytime
nodqisme222 2 years ago
yeah, must of been back when they were the kings of wrestling
extremedave2006 2 years ago
czw sucks
josiah1218 2 years ago 3
ring of honor its wrestling
dukeisthemaster 2 years ago 6
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who is ROH
megaman2160 2 years ago
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chris hero hates black people
HugeDickNick 2 years ago
You Are an Asshole Men, Hero loves Rap Music, and there are a lot of photos in the internet of Hero with Black People, so Investigate before saying Bullshit.
TheyCalledHimCide 2 years ago 3
Lmao your comment made me laugh. "Hero loves Rap Music"
You're being racist, just to let you know. Rap is NOT just black guys. Haha. Just look at people like... Soulja Boy. Hahaha.
MYKEMS5 2 years ago 17
so?
MSVU2009 2 years ago
That BEAUTIFUL Young Knockout Kid!
Takerslady 2 years ago 4
And now Chris Hero is working for Sweet N Sour Inc. IN roh
CapTashman 3 years ago 14
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Hero needs to shut his fucking mouth next time.
eas316 3 years ago
Why?
TheyCalledHimCide 2 years ago
good find.
czwrestler 3 years ago
was this during the whole ROH vs CZW rivalry? Cuz I know Hero was leading the charge against ROH...
DaReelDeal 3 years ago 4
This is what started it.
kappakate57 3 years ago
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Boring!
daprowres95 3 years ago
WORK
dsriggs 3 years ago 6
Thanks Chris... Glad to see you are so comitted to CZW. Good for you, BTW where were you last show? umm, ok
bigkev625 3 years ago
lost a loser leaves CZW match with kingston several months ago
czwrestler 3 years ago 5
Even if that is the case, Trent Acid has said in a recent interview that Hero and Claudio were only sent away because once they started working for ROH they began asking for rediculous amounts of money. It's sad, especially since CZW is the company that made these guys the indy stars they are today.
bigkev625 3 years ago
ever heard of PWG?
c1soldier 3 years ago 4
listen dope, CZW MADE those guys and gave creditibility to PWG. I know thats blasphamy not seeing as CZW s nothing today, but back then it set the standard for indy wrestling.
bigkev625 3 years ago
Chris Hero was MADE in IWA-MS.
kappakate57 3 years ago 4
Wrong. He was MADE in his mama's womb!
LubricuntShawn 3 years ago 5
Lol but wasn't he actually made in his dad's nutsack?
IAMHAVOKFEARME 3 years ago 6
Touche.
LubricuntShawn 3 years ago 4
lol. Thanx.
IAMHAVOKFEARME 3 years ago
Actually he was made when his dads sperm cell fertilised his mums egg cell.
PurpleGiraffePG 2 years ago
@kappakate57 What happend next?
paynexkillerAOTF 1 year ago
@paynexkillerAOTF It ended with a Double Show Cage of Death. It was War Games style with Homicide saving ROH in the end. And then this led to a Homicide vs Jim Cornette feud in ROH.
kappakate57 1 year ago
@kappakate57 I said next, not at the end. o.o
paynexkillerAOTF 1 year ago
Ever heard of CHIKARA.
IndyX 3 years ago 7
As Michael Pancoast goes careening down a flight of stairs...
CombatZoneWilliam 3 years ago 2
I feel so bad for laughing at the fact that this led to Pancoast getting flung down the stairs and Mike Burns getting fired/leaving but....I can't help it, lol.
SpanishFly120 2 years ago
Fill me in
Killedbyamen 2 years ago
Well, essentially Chris Hero did this shoot without telling Zandig that he was going to. Mike Burns/Pancoast knew though, and apparently when Zandig found out he freaked the hell out and SUPPOSEDLY threw Pancoast down a flight of stairs, leading to Burns leaving as booker, and CZW losing the production stuff that Pancoast brought (since he left).
SpanishFly120 2 years ago
I did'nt think you were gonna respond so fast so I looked it up but thanks
Killedbyamen 2 years ago
@SpanishFly120 wonder why zandig was so upset its not like he prolly has any love lost for ROH
pureathlete89 1 year ago
@pureathlete89 he was pissed because Hero said that to set up a ROH vs CZW fued that was planned, but Zandig didn't know about. The fued was not real, but he really ended up losing Chris Hero and Necro Butcher as they eventually went to work for ROH full time. Thats probably what he was afraid would happen
rdorwa 1 year ago