Dude, awesome lessons - and I am VERY picky with my Youtube instructionals :-D Great playing and very articulate, plus same taste in music as me. You planning on doing any full length DVDs? Sign me up for one if you are...
You are pretty much right, except that they ARE polyrhythms, and one of them is always 4/4. Just because the foundation is always 4/4 doesn't mean that they aren't polyrhythms. By you logic, polyrhythms don't exist at all, because you could always say 1 time sig from any polyrhythm, and say that's the timing. And you would be right.
@godsizedhole Yes. I should've worded it better. I wanted to stay away from the polyrhythm discussion which is why the examples I showed were all group or pattern based. I understand that 23/16 would be polymeter but I don't feel it that way. It's different than playing a riff in 6/8 over four which would clearly be a polyrhythm. I discuss the polyrhythms in part 2 :) Thanks!!
@axeofcreation And actually, it's interesting that, just like you said here, Meshuggah has said that they don't "feel it that way" either. They approach it in 4/4 groupings. I guess thinking of it more like syncopation, that was written using polymetrics.
These riffs are not easy, and it's cool to see people try to transcribe them. The Stengah riff is quite difficult to play, and that song in particular is amazing. The trick with the Stengah riff is the tied note, or the note that hangs over the bar - It's pretty dagone close here, but not quite right. Nevertheless, this is really cool to see. I'm obsessive about little details I suppose...
Ya the songs arent in 4/4 they just have a 4/4 core which is accented by the hi hat and snare man but some of their riffs do use odd meters just not as ridiculous as some people like to believe
@BeDjentleAZ - all the musicians in this band say that their riffs are in 4, and that they hear what they do as related to a basic 4/4 pulse. You can say that there are odd groupings that cycle over 4,8, and 16 bars but you can't say that the music isn't in four. The only things i know that aren't in 4 is "I" and "Dancers To A Discordant System" from obzen - but even that can be boiled down to 4 main beats. There's no way to remember what they play by thinking of it in an odd meter.
Little suggestion - use audo interface to capture guitar and when you play with drums you switch to sound from computer, if not than move microphone away from speakers, because drums ducking all sound.
@axeofcreation Hi! I probably miss something regarding Rational Gaze, could you please help? You say all get back together after 8 measures, which is 128 sixteenth notes. The pattern itself is 25, and it is played 5 times (or, as you say in the notes, 4 times; let's stay with 5 for now). It means 3 sixteenth notes are missing; but you say they add 0 13 0 13, which make 4 sixteenth notes. Don't they simply add 0 13 with 13 being an 8th note? Many thanks for the lesson. Any hint appreciated!
@GalTrack Then turnaround measure (the 8th measure) acts as just that, a turnaround. In this case and usually the case, this last measure it different to make it all fit and turnaround. Whether it's adding notes to the group (riff) or subtracting.
You've done a better job of explaining what makes their music tick than anyone I've heard. the whole metric dissonance thing was quite interesting, and with that insight, I realized that many of the riffs I come up with work on similar principles, which was why when I tried to record them they always ended off with the measures even though they were in time with the beat, because their an odd time and they cycle. this helps me a lot
you can always say this is in 4/4. It is, but it's also in the other weird time signature they group the guitar riff in. It's a polyrhythm, the band (minus the snare and cymbals) are playing in the weird time sig, where the snare and cymbals stay in 4/4. I agree on that, but don't say they're not doing it like at 0:46 . because they are
@Xiphos707fx Didn't I say it was all in 4/4? I wasn't as clear on my point as I should've been (if you read some of the comments below). If you watch part two I discuss the polymeter thing. For me, I don't feel 25/16 or 23/16 as it's own meter. I'll feel the riff in 4/4 knowing that it's broken up into these "groups".
I'm wanting to record in the future ... I'm just curious as to what you have for a drummer? Is it a machine or recorded riffs with an actual drummer? Could you reccommend any drum machine if that is the case? T hankssss
I just wanted to let you know that your videos have miraculously helped me understand the guitar better, that means for both simply playing it and writing songs..... I don't want else to say other than, THANK YOU!
@axeofcreation it's a rhythm issue. It doesn't sound like Meshuggah uses that extra 0-13-0-13 to match the timing. Maybe it's just me. It sounds like the measure is just short so they throw in 2 open 16th notes to catch up.
@cashkrop Yeah, the riff definitely changes slightly to make it fit on the turnaround. Mix that in with the off sense of timing the riff portrays and it can be difficult to make the riff fit. Plus I didn't really go into "how to play' the riffs, I just focused on the composition aspect. I'm sure you'll get it. Best of luck
@axeofcreation "Beyond Bludgeoned" By: Brain Drill off of the "Quantum Catastrophe" Album would be pretty impressive. Come to think of it this was pretty impressive too. And accurate!
@jsera7573 well it's just like, i like a balance. given that i write like compositions, that much tech is too much. veil of maya is like the most chuggy band i listen to.
and that's only because their vocals are easy to drone out.
Not using Polyrhythms..? Wat. They use polyrhythms and polymeters ALL the time...I've read several college level papers on the theory behind the "metric dissonance" in Meshuggah's music; its all based on implied hypermeasures through poly- meters and rhythms, Rational Gaze included. The infamous bleed riff is a 3 over 4 polymeter; they even explain it in different terms in the official lesson (the "wrap around" they talk about). Maybe you could clarify for me?
@alfother When you listen to Meshuggah (Thorndendal) talk about their writing, to them, it's all in 4/4. They downplay their own rhythmical genius. Polyrhythms and meter can be a very confusing topic for a lot of players. So my point was to try and show how some of their riffs aren't alway using advanced techniques and can be thought of as a 'pattern' played within 4/4. So whether they're playing a 25/16 pattern or 11/8 over 4/4, they still conceptualize their riffs as if they were in 4/4.
@axeofcreation Right...the snare is in 4/4, the guitar is in 25/16. That still implies polyrhythms or meters. If I play nothing but pentuplets in 4/4, its in 4/4, but the implication is a 5 over 4; a polyryhthm. If the downbeat on the snare is every 4, as in 4/4, but the downbeat on the guitar is on every 3, as in 3/4, and its not a triplet 3/4, its polymetric. So yes, they play them as if in 4/4, but anybody who uses a 3 over 4, 5 over 4, or 7 over 4 does the same thing.
@alfother Exactly, well said. For me personally, I have a hard time considering the 25/16 over 4/4 as a polymeter, even that's exactly what it is!!! I just don't feel it that way, I have an easier time expressing that as pattern in 4/4. Where as something like Perpetual Black Second is more obvious example of polymeter, the 7/8 riff moving against the 8/8 (4). Most people have difficulty breaking down time and rhythm, as for the lesson, I was just trying to get people to feel the patterns. THX!
@alfother Exactly. I'm going to be posting other videos were I break down more complicated patterns, grouping and polymeters. 25/16 needs it's own video haha. I'm a big fan of quintuplets (5x4) or pentuplets as you referred to them.
Subscribed. You're a great teacher man, you make difficult stuff like Messuggah easy to learn! I can't play stuff like Bleed though, the controlled thrashing in that is way too hard for me lol.
Can you play Bleed by the way? Awesome if you can :D also, it's hard to believe that pretty much all of Mesuggah's stuff is played in 4/4, as it was strongly believed at first that they didn't even follow time signatures lol.
@RavencoreLZR Metric Dissonance is a term used for anything that distorts or disrupts your sense of time. The same way a dissonant note/chord disrupts (Diatonic) Harmony. Although the difference between PolyMeter and PolyRhythm is largely semantic, there is a technical difference. Polyrhythms are found within each other, for instance 3/4 and 6/8, while polymeter should be unrelated, 3/4 and 5/8. Polymeter can also refer to the changing of meters through a section, 7/8-6/8-7/8-4/4. Thanks!!
@rololoo He demonstrated the concepts that Meshuggah uses very well and clearly, and this is not a drum lesson. You're just trying to act smart and show off that you can count their songs better than he can. Grow up.
No. My point clearly was that if you're going to teach something about their riffs he should at least get them down correctly for various reasons, and it really doesn't take you that much time to figure out the parts right. You coming across as an idiot who thinks I'm here to "show off" doesn't really make things better either, now does it.
@rololoo Yeah I'd be real nice if he had the parts exactly like the the band played them, but he got the groupings right and that was the only point. "Mind you, this lesson isn't geared so much towards teaching how to play along to specific songs; as it is an (insightful) insight into why their music sounds so 'off time'"
Even if the groupings were wrong, he still would have demonstrated the concept just fine.
@BigMikeM92 For the videos, I'll let the camera pick up the sound. Depending on which amp I'm using I'll either just plug and play or go through the computer via Ableton Live.
@proguitargamer No it's not. The intro riff is 8 measures of 4/4 while the guitar riff itself is 25/16. I can send you the transcription is you'd like to see it. Thanks!...
Good shit man, just really starting to get into writing more progressive/Djent material..."COOL STUFF"...Keep crankin them out...What are your feelings on Chimpspanner?
Very cool lesson man. not too many people are willing to see meshuggah for the simplistic. Or musicians for that matter. I think ur segment here will be a great way to introduce the understanding of complicated time signatures with the rest of my band. Thanks alot dude.
@surfthecentre Thanks for tip. It's tough getting it just right so everyone can hear the impact of the drum rhythms and the camera picks up the sound right.
i'm glad you made a video about this. every time i hear the word "polyrhythm" in conjunction with "meshuggah", i die a little bit on the inside. That being said, you kinda lose me when you advise to "just feel it" as opposed to strictly counting it. i think it's crucial to practice from a slooow tempo knowing exactly where each note belongs with regard to the pulse. This might not work for everyone, but i have success writing out the riffs in standard notation and memorizing it a bar at a time.
@rosenbluntz Thanks. I caught some heat from people because I said just "feel it". I said that because a lot of people have difficulties with basic counting and this are some extreme grouping ideas. Check out Pt 2, I break some the counting a little more. Thanks again.
very cool stuff.
njszoke 1 day ago
4:00 That's not right...lol
I have a video of this song as well.
kennethsantanaguitar 1 day ago
Dude, awesome lessons - and I am VERY picky with my Youtube instructionals :-D Great playing and very articulate, plus same taste in music as me. You planning on doing any full length DVDs? Sign me up for one if you are...
dajoler 3 days ago
You are pretty much right, except that they ARE polyrhythms, and one of them is always 4/4. Just because the foundation is always 4/4 doesn't mean that they aren't polyrhythms. By you logic, polyrhythms don't exist at all, because you could always say 1 time sig from any polyrhythm, and say that's the timing. And you would be right.
godsizedhole 6 days ago
@godsizedhole Yes. I should've worded it better. I wanted to stay away from the polyrhythm discussion which is why the examples I showed were all group or pattern based. I understand that 23/16 would be polymeter but I don't feel it that way. It's different than playing a riff in 6/8 over four which would clearly be a polyrhythm. I discuss the polyrhythms in part 2 :) Thanks!!
axeofcreation 6 days ago
@axeofcreation And actually, it's interesting that, just like you said here, Meshuggah has said that they don't "feel it that way" either. They approach it in 4/4 groupings. I guess thinking of it more like syncopation, that was written using polymetrics.
godsizedhole 6 days ago
@axeofcreation You're misusing the term. Polyrhythms involve e.g. triplets over quintuplets. Polymeter is the correct term for 21/16ths over 4/4ths.
HelgeTaksdal 5 days ago
So what tuning where you using in this video so that I don't detune my 7- string.
nightsystem 6 days ago
@nightsystem standard
axeofcreation 6 days ago
Very cool stuff.
dasrockness 1 week ago 2
Not exact but still good
gibbsies 1 week ago
this really helps youre a great teacher
xand134 1 week ago
These riffs are not easy, and it's cool to see people try to transcribe them. The Stengah riff is quite difficult to play, and that song in particular is amazing. The trick with the Stengah riff is the tied note, or the note that hangs over the bar - It's pretty dagone close here, but not quite right. Nevertheless, this is really cool to see. I'm obsessive about little details I suppose...
holygroove2 1 week ago
did you use iMovie?
metaldemonseanknels 1 week ago
@metaldemonseanknels yeah
axeofcreation 1 week ago
@axeofcreation You messed up "Rational Gaze" and your timing on "NMCC" was way off. Everything else was alright...I guess.
iTakeViTaMins 3 days ago
are those bracelets from asos? :)
Deschuttes 1 week ago
Really really great leason dude! You're a great player
bojosoto 1 week ago
"VERY COOL STUFF"
metallon 2 weeks ago 5
Ya the songs arent in 4/4 they just have a 4/4 core which is accented by the hi hat and snare man but some of their riffs do use odd meters just not as ridiculous as some people like to believe
BeDjentleAZ 2 weeks ago
@BeDjentleAZ - all the musicians in this band say that their riffs are in 4, and that they hear what they do as related to a basic 4/4 pulse. You can say that there are odd groupings that cycle over 4,8, and 16 bars but you can't say that the music isn't in four. The only things i know that aren't in 4 is "I" and "Dancers To A Discordant System" from obzen - but even that can be boiled down to 4 main beats. There's no way to remember what they play by thinking of it in an odd meter.
holygroove2 1 week ago
hey dude may i ask you what schecter are you using ? i can't find any info about it
xXxMetalJunkiexXx 2 weeks ago
@xXxMetalJunkiexXx It's a custom I had made up.
axeofcreation 2 weeks ago
He says "very cool stuff" after all the examples :D
leandertilstedkrist 2 weeks ago 3
very good lesson, thank you
mattwildchild 1 month ago
Little suggestion - use audo interface to capture guitar and when you play with drums you switch to sound from computer, if not than move microphone away from speakers, because drums ducking all sound.
N3Z3Official 1 month ago
@N3Z3Official thank you. I appreciate the advise. I now have and do that for any videos using drums. regards!
axeofcreation 1 month ago
@axeofcreation No problem ;) If want to do something for fun and collab just send me message!
N3Z3Official 1 month ago
@axeofcreation Hi! I probably miss something regarding Rational Gaze, could you please help? You say all get back together after 8 measures, which is 128 sixteenth notes. The pattern itself is 25, and it is played 5 times (or, as you say in the notes, 4 times; let's stay with 5 for now). It means 3 sixteenth notes are missing; but you say they add 0 13 0 13, which make 4 sixteenth notes. Don't they simply add 0 13 with 13 being an 8th note? Many thanks for the lesson. Any hint appreciated!
GalTrack 1 month ago
@GalTrack Then turnaround measure (the 8th measure) acts as just that, a turnaround. In this case and usually the case, this last measure it different to make it all fit and turnaround. Whether it's adding notes to the group (riff) or subtracting.
axeofcreation 1 month ago
@axeofcreation Hi! Thanks. I get it now that you meant add (or subtract) whatever necessary.
GalTrack 1 month ago
i have an 8 string.
AmidsttheBloodshed1 1 month ago
Very cool stuff! :D
igiwarcraft 1 month ago
Nothing is awesome
NoaOno 1 month ago
Haha, I went from Tool, to Metallica, to Meshuggah. Funny. Then I discovered Periphery and AAL...
NoaOno 1 month ago
@NoaOno Periphery should change there name to Splenda. It's not 'shuggah, but it sure tries to be.
WarmothGuitarist 1 day ago
Even before I had an 8-string I used a Morpheus pedal to detune it to E or F to play some Meshuggah. btw this lesson is awesome!
Guitarmazdur 1 month ago
i DO have an 8 string guitar! :D
drummin4InTheShadows 1 month ago
@drummin4InTheShadows Nice! Don't get lost in all that low end, it's a trap
axeofcreation 1 month ago 10
@axeofcreation haha, i wont
drummin4InTheShadows 1 month ago
You've done a better job of explaining what makes their music tick than anyone I've heard. the whole metric dissonance thing was quite interesting, and with that insight, I realized that many of the riffs I come up with work on similar principles, which was why when I tried to record them they always ended off with the measures even though they were in time with the beat, because their an odd time and they cycle. this helps me a lot
chuzzman42 1 month ago
TOOL! <3 MESHUGGAH! <3
drumninmer34 1 month ago
you can always say this is in 4/4. It is, but it's also in the other weird time signature they group the guitar riff in. It's a polyrhythm, the band (minus the snare and cymbals) are playing in the weird time sig, where the snare and cymbals stay in 4/4. I agree on that, but don't say they're not doing it like at 0:46 . because they are
Xiphos707fx 1 month ago
@Xiphos707fx Didn't I say it was all in 4/4? I wasn't as clear on my point as I should've been (if you read some of the comments below). If you watch part two I discuss the polymeter thing. For me, I don't feel 25/16 or 23/16 as it's own meter. I'll feel the riff in 4/4 knowing that it's broken up into these "groups".
axeofcreation 1 month ago
very cool stuff
aseabsolute 2 months ago
I'm wanting to record in the future ... I'm just curious as to what you have for a drummer? Is it a machine or recorded riffs with an actual drummer? Could you reccommend any drum machine if that is the case? T hankssss
zachkc1993 2 months ago
@zachkc1993 All the drums are programmed. I'm using Ableton. Check out Superior Drummer.
axeofcreation 2 months ago
What they hell is a 16th note?
xBRinGMeThEHorizoNz 2 months ago
I just wanted to let you know that your videos have miraculously helped me understand the guitar better, that means for both simply playing it and writing songs..... I don't want else to say other than, THANK YOU!
StarkEpoch 2 months ago in playlist More videos from axeofcreation
i think people are complaining cause they forgot its called music THEORY and not music LAW. I like this alot. Keep on posting awesome stuff.
olheiser01 2 months ago
i appreciate you trying to teach people these things...thats nice...but you play it wrong :P
MilitantOldLady 2 months ago
@MilitantOldLady clearly but the composition breakdown, meter and counting isn't and that's the point of the whole thing.
axeofcreation 2 months ago
@axeofcreation
do you actually count when you play the riffs? i play it all from the seat of my pants
MilitantOldLady 2 months ago
@MilitantOldLady Just in the beginning. I'd say that once your learn how to play and perform anything you stop counting (for the most part).
axeofcreation 2 months ago
@axeofcreation
btw, i didnt mean to come across like a dick...sorry
MilitantOldLady 2 months ago
very cool stuff
theape104 2 months ago
i'm trying to play rational gaze along with the cd the way your saying and it's not working.
cashkrop 2 months ago
@cashkrop make sure your in the right tuning...
axeofcreation 2 months ago
@axeofcreation it's a rhythm issue. It doesn't sound like Meshuggah uses that extra 0-13-0-13 to match the timing. Maybe it's just me. It sounds like the measure is just short so they throw in 2 open 16th notes to catch up.
cashkrop 2 months ago
@cashkrop Yeah, the riff definitely changes slightly to make it fit on the turnaround. Mix that in with the off sense of timing the riff portrays and it can be difficult to make the riff fit. Plus I didn't really go into "how to play' the riffs, I just focused on the composition aspect. I'm sure you'll get it. Best of luck
axeofcreation 2 months ago
you're good at explaining this shit, much thanks
cashkrop 2 months ago
@cashkrop thanks
axeofcreation 2 months ago
Well, I'm subscribing. Keep up the good work man, love this shit.
hellsmurf139 2 months ago
@hellsmurf139 much Thanks!
axeofcreation 2 months ago
teach us I that would take a few videos lol
MrP0ThEaD420 2 months ago
@MrP0ThEaD420 haha, yes it would
axeofcreation 2 months ago
is that an origional american bc rich!?!
killer14221 2 months ago
@killer14221 yes
axeofcreation 2 months ago
"Or your low E string if you happen to have an 8 string good for you..." Classic!!! Great vid man. :) peace.
buug123 2 months ago
Tool, Metallica, Meshuggah. Our guitar playing DNA is the same.
DustinWHiser 3 months ago 21
@DustinWHiser Sweet!
axeofcreation 3 months ago
@axeofcreation Oh Yeah!!!
312chicagoadam 3 months ago
@DustinWHiser wtf?
iN3CROo 1 month ago
very cool stuff
PFULMTL 3 months ago
Technical death metal lesson next please
mehtabb1 3 months ago 16
@mehtabb1 ok. cool.
axeofcreation 3 months ago 3
@axeofcreation "Beyond Bludgeoned" By: Brain Drill off of the "Quantum Catastrophe" Album would be pretty impressive. Come to think of it this was pretty impressive too. And accurate!
BloodsoakedMetalAZ 3 months ago
before the loop back to the start of the stengah riff isn't it palm mute, then back to the start ?
JoeyThe14th 3 months ago
very cool stuff
JoeyThe14th 3 months ago
ohhh 13
Jasonskully 3 months ago
What kind of Schecter is that?
RequiemSoup 3 months ago
@RequiemSoup It's a custom.
axeofcreation 3 months ago
i'd love messhugah if they didn't have vocals, and relaxed a little bit on the syncopation.
Mushamashi987654 3 months ago
@Mushamashi987654 Yeah, I can see that. The music a great but after awhile it's like, hey, stop yelling at me. haha.
axeofcreation 3 months ago
@Mushamashi987654 i personally think the vocals make them sound heavy as fuck, if the instruments aren't already.
jsera7573 3 months ago
@jsera7573 Agreed
axeofcreation 3 months ago
@jsera7573 well it's just like, i like a balance. given that i write like compositions, that much tech is too much. veil of maya is like the most chuggy band i listen to.
and that's only because their vocals are easy to drone out.
Mushamashi987654 3 months ago
it's very similar to Stengah
atrumluminarium 3 months ago
@atrumluminarium what is
JoeyThe14th 3 months ago
most albums were 7-string.....
d3tach3d 3 months ago
@d3tach3d yes. They even re-recorded with 8 strings
axeofcreation 3 months ago
@axeofcreation on the album "Nothing" right? thats the only one I knew they re-recorded.
d3tach3d 3 months ago
Not using Polyrhythms..? Wat. They use polyrhythms and polymeters ALL the time...I've read several college level papers on the theory behind the "metric dissonance" in Meshuggah's music; its all based on implied hypermeasures through poly- meters and rhythms, Rational Gaze included. The infamous bleed riff is a 3 over 4 polymeter; they even explain it in different terms in the official lesson (the "wrap around" they talk about). Maybe you could clarify for me?
alfother 3 months ago
@alfother When you listen to Meshuggah (Thorndendal) talk about their writing, to them, it's all in 4/4. They downplay their own rhythmical genius. Polyrhythms and meter can be a very confusing topic for a lot of players. So my point was to try and show how some of their riffs aren't alway using advanced techniques and can be thought of as a 'pattern' played within 4/4. So whether they're playing a 25/16 pattern or 11/8 over 4/4, they still conceptualize their riffs as if they were in 4/4.
axeofcreation 3 months ago
@axeofcreation Right...the snare is in 4/4, the guitar is in 25/16. That still implies polyrhythms or meters. If I play nothing but pentuplets in 4/4, its in 4/4, but the implication is a 5 over 4; a polyryhthm. If the downbeat on the snare is every 4, as in 4/4, but the downbeat on the guitar is on every 3, as in 3/4, and its not a triplet 3/4, its polymetric. So yes, they play them as if in 4/4, but anybody who uses a 3 over 4, 5 over 4, or 7 over 4 does the same thing.
alfother 3 months ago
@alfother Exactly, well said. For me personally, I have a hard time considering the 25/16 over 4/4 as a polymeter, even that's exactly what it is!!! I just don't feel it that way, I have an easier time expressing that as pattern in 4/4. Where as something like Perpetual Black Second is more obvious example of polymeter, the 7/8 riff moving against the 8/8 (4). Most people have difficulty breaking down time and rhythm, as for the lesson, I was just trying to get people to feel the patterns. THX!
axeofcreation 3 months ago
@axeofcreation Right, so it is a matter of intreptation and conceptualization than strict music theory. Gotcha now :P
alfother 3 months ago
@alfother Exactly. I'm going to be posting other videos were I break down more complicated patterns, grouping and polymeters. 25/16 needs it's own video haha. I'm a big fan of quintuplets (5x4) or pentuplets as you referred to them.
axeofcreation 3 months ago
@alfother Check out part two...I focus on how they incorporate polymeters rather than pattern based riffs.
axeofcreation 3 months ago
shame about the sound :(
GanjaBhang 3 months ago
Rational Gaze sounds pretty good in B Standard!
vikingwizardeyes2121 3 months ago
Subscribed. You're a great teacher man, you make difficult stuff like Messuggah easy to learn! I can't play stuff like Bleed though, the controlled thrashing in that is way too hard for me lol.
melistentodeathmetal 4 months ago
@melistentodeathmetal Thank you!! That song is a beast, insane stamina.
axeofcreation 4 months ago
@axeofcreation
Can you play Bleed by the way? Awesome if you can :D also, it's hard to believe that pretty much all of Mesuggah's stuff is played in 4/4, as it was strongly believed at first that they didn't even follow time signatures lol.
melistentodeathmetal 4 months ago
VERY cool stuff.
abysslord16 4 months ago
holy shitballs i have that poster too
AcidSh33tz 4 months ago
@AcidSh33tz i used it 2 roll in all 10 t shirts i have bouth. hhhhh
lateralusaint 4 months ago
Very cool stuff
rlg3176 4 months ago
would this be called a hemiola?
5FromWithin5 4 months ago
@5FromWithin5 Not exactly. A Hemiola is when your in 3/4 and you play (imply) 2/4. So your count is
1-2-3 1-2-3 1-2 1-2 1-2.
axeofcreation 4 months ago
@axeofcreation will you be my teacher?
vikykarthik 4 months ago
@vikykarthik Yes
axeofcreation 4 months ago
Is metric dissonance same as the polymeter concept? and how exactly can you say that it is different from polyrhythm?
Great vid btw.
RavencoreLZR 4 months ago
@RavencoreLZR Metric Dissonance is a term used for anything that distorts or disrupts your sense of time. The same way a dissonant note/chord disrupts (Diatonic) Harmony. Although the difference between PolyMeter and PolyRhythm is largely semantic, there is a technical difference. Polyrhythms are found within each other, for instance 3/4 and 6/8, while polymeter should be unrelated, 3/4 and 5/8. Polymeter can also refer to the changing of meters through a section, 7/8-6/8-7/8-4/4. Thanks!!
axeofcreation 4 months ago
That would've been better if you actually had the drums 100% right and actually played the tail end part of the riffs correctly.
rololoo 4 months ago 11
@rololoo lmao...
axeofcreation 4 months ago
@axeofcreation
What? I liked your explanation in the video, though.
rololoo 4 months ago
@rololoo He demonstrated the concepts that Meshuggah uses very well and clearly, and this is not a drum lesson. You're just trying to act smart and show off that you can count their songs better than he can. Grow up.
lekremyelsew 4 months ago
@lekremyelsew
No. My point clearly was that if you're going to teach something about their riffs he should at least get them down correctly for various reasons, and it really doesn't take you that much time to figure out the parts right. You coming across as an idiot who thinks I'm here to "show off" doesn't really make things better either, now does it.
rololoo 4 months ago
@rololoo Yeah I'd be real nice if he had the parts exactly like the the band played them, but he got the groupings right and that was the only point. "Mind you, this lesson isn't geared so much towards teaching how to play along to specific songs; as it is an (insightful) insight into why their music sounds so 'off time'"
Even if the groupings were wrong, he still would have demonstrated the concept just fine.
lekremyelsew 4 months ago
I always thought that the original NMCC sounded a little unclean. you should do more videos of meshuggah!
Veredika 4 months ago
@Veredika thanks! I'm sure I will.
axeofcreation 4 months ago
What do you use to record your guitar?
BigMikeM92 4 months ago
@BigMikeM92 For the videos, I'll let the camera pick up the sound. Depending on which amp I'm using I'll either just plug and play or go through the computer via Ableton Live.
axeofcreation 4 months ago
props on actually playing these riffs. sometimes i cant even wrap my head around Meshuggah's rhythms
Lugrashio 4 months ago
@Lugrashio They have so many great feels! Thanks.
axeofcreation 4 months ago
Rational Gaze is 5/4...
proguitargamer 4 months ago
@proguitargamer No it's not. The intro riff is 8 measures of 4/4 while the guitar riff itself is 25/16. I can send you the transcription is you'd like to see it. Thanks!...
axeofcreation 4 months ago
I am an apple growing in an orchard in Ohio- what shall I do when I fall?
DillingerEscapeMan 4 months ago
Fala, fala, e não faz merda nenhuma!!!
paulomamprin 4 months ago
@paulomamprin Your either not listening or looking for something else. Check out Part 2. Obrigado!
axeofcreation 4 months ago
cool video, but your guitar is turned down a little too low.
intestineswallower 4 months ago
I love love love this video!
mattnsim 4 months ago
love it man, thx
Forkroute 4 months ago
@Forkroute awesome! Thanks
axeofcreation 4 months ago
Good shit man, just really starting to get into writing more progressive/Djent material..."COOL STUFF"...Keep crankin them out...What are your feelings on Chimpspanner?
Rkitt8 4 months ago
@Rkitt8 Thanks a lot. That name is new to me. I'll check them out. Thanks
axeofcreation 4 months ago
i was gonna make a joke about your pink guitar and then you started playing and i felt ashamed to speak.
EnslaveTheEmos 4 months ago
@EnslaveTheEmos lol. That's actually pretty funny. I appreciate it. Though I'd check your tint because the guitar is a deep red. Thanks!
axeofcreation 4 months ago
Very cool lesson man. not too many people are willing to see meshuggah for the simplistic. Or musicians for that matter. I think ur segment here will be a great way to introduce the understanding of complicated time signatures with the rest of my band. Thanks alot dude.
CadaversRevenge 4 months ago
@CadaversRevenge Very Nice! Thanks a lot.
axeofcreation 4 months ago
what kind of schecter is that? how much was it?
olheiser01 4 months ago
@olheiser01 It's a custom. I had it made about 10 yrs ago.
axeofcreation 4 months ago
it's F sharp on an 8 string, F is mesuggah tuning of the 8 string however.
welza0045 4 months ago
alex greeeeeeeeyyy
love that poster, also good lesson
Stinkycheese00 4 months ago
@Stinkycheese00 Gracias
axeofcreation 4 months ago
is it possible to play meshugga inspired stuffs on a 6 string?
BucketheadfeatSlash 5 months ago
@BucketheadfeatSlash yes. Though you might want to try and detune a little. That low end is a real part of the style.
axeofcreation 5 months ago
Very good explanation! i'd just turn the drums down a bit
surfthecentre 5 months ago
@surfthecentre Thanks for tip. It's tough getting it just right so everyone can hear the impact of the drum rhythms and the camera picks up the sound right.
axeofcreation 5 months ago
I tried counting Meshuggah songs.. I died.
fingerboy18 5 months ago 20
@fingerboy18 hahaha!
axeofcreation 5 months ago
Alright, I love you; subscribed. Simple lessons you can learn tons from.
YourFavoriteLesbo 5 months ago
@YourFavoriteLesbo yes!!
axeofcreation 5 months ago
i'm glad you made a video about this. every time i hear the word "polyrhythm" in conjunction with "meshuggah", i die a little bit on the inside. That being said, you kinda lose me when you advise to "just feel it" as opposed to strictly counting it. i think it's crucial to practice from a slooow tempo knowing exactly where each note belongs with regard to the pulse. This might not work for everyone, but i have success writing out the riffs in standard notation and memorizing it a bar at a time.
rosenbluntz 5 months ago
@rosenbluntz Thanks. I caught some heat from people because I said just "feel it". I said that because a lot of people have difficulties with basic counting and this are some extreme grouping ideas. Check out Pt 2, I break some the counting a little more. Thanks again.
axeofcreation 5 months ago
very helpful, thank you.
metaphysicianbob 5 months ago
@metaphysicianbob Thanks
axeofcreation 5 months ago
my sugar.
sadqwf 5 months ago
what kind of schecter is that?
acompres 5 months ago
@acompres Custom. Had it made some years ago.
axeofcreation 5 months ago
i love alex greys art work! he is all around bad ass
MickeyLWalker 5 months ago
good stuff you have great taste for music...love the TOOL background
MrTOKUKITA 5 months ago
@MrTOKUKITA Thanks man!
axeofcreation 5 months ago
Rational Gaze!! Fuuuuck yeah!!! \m/!!
MetalxXxMayhem 5 months ago
@MetalxXxMayhem Boom!
axeofcreation 5 months ago
@MetalxXxMayhem Boom!
axeofcreation 5 months ago
perfect explanation
ForcesOfRandom 5 months ago
@ForcesOfRandom Thanks!
axeofcreation 5 months ago
Oh he is just such a djentleman
zachtheboy781 5 months ago
Where did you get that background at the title of the video? I see that cool amp netting pattern a lot in videos.
TheFireball100 5 months ago
@TheFireball100 Just part of the program I use.
axeofcreation 5 months ago
Cool. Thanks. Gave me something to think about.