@gindalf0492 Little better than the Monday night war DVD but they don't mention storylines like Dark side hogan, Giant falling off joe louis arena, the build of the crow sting from 96 to 97 or the Radicalz jumping from WCW to WWF. Plus there's no mention of then almost killing WWF
WCW was good,WWF was what i watched when I was 7 till about 8 1/2 years old,I switched to WCW and ECW because they were pretty good.I remember watching ECW on TNN and WWF on USA and wondering "Why does WWF seem like ECW" and "Why does WCW seem kindof like ECW" damn i miss the old days.WWE needs to get back into the wrestling scene,TNA needs to hire Paul Heyman and ROH or CZW needs a damn good TV deal
The OLD WCW before Bischoff / Hogan etc arrived was much better. Austin, Pillman, Flair, the Horsemen, Sting, Dusty Rhodes, Midnight Express, Jim Cornette etc. That era seems to have been buried. Trust me, it was a golden era. Far better than WWF.
A lot of you have to understand the monday wars are what made wrestling great, if wcw wasn't around wrestling would have been boring. It Was wcw that got WWF on it's feet and made it competitive wcw is the reason that wwf hit the attitude era. They both fed off each other in finding ways to out do each other.
As a die-hard lifelong WCW fan, it pains me to say this, but let's face facts, people. Vince McMahon didn't kill WCW when he bought it. Piss-poor management, easy money, huge egos (*cough* nWo), botched hype (Starrcade '97), and AOL Time-Warner's hatred of wrestling killed WCW. When you combine the negatives, it's very surprising that the televised product ended up being as amazing and spectacular as it was.
Actually, the merger played a big factor. Ted Turner was a big supporter of WCW programming whereas the AOL execs were not. With AOL floundering as it is now, I'd like to see Ted come take his company back...invest in TNA....keep Impact on Spike and make a monday night 3 hour show on TNT.
WCW talked trashed to WWE live on there program and so did ECW. WWF/E was just doing their thing and not focusing on WCW when it came to the show. WWE just did their thing and had no wrestlers downing Nitro, one of the reasons why it fell is cause of their mouth. If they just stayed focused on WCW then they would have probably won. Instead WCW said "Oh we beat RAW 84 weeks and they suck." Prime example that karma is a bitch. Just keep your mouth shut.
@dchero Come to think of it. If WCW hadn't have talked trash DX would have never went to their building. So in a way WCW helped WWF/E beat them....wow.
@RockNRollahGuy101 I have heard that all the that wwe is dead. But it seems huge to me. I remember the lean years.
I am in my thirties and because of my son we are watching it together and I find it entertaining. I watched it in the 80's and it seems the same to me. Although no one as good as Hogan's character.
@GenerationXeroFilms lol thats something i dont want to think about cuz a good percentage of WCW legends are in TNA and the reason why there in TNA is cuz they dont want to work for McMahon so.....yea once TNA is gone....the legends are gone
Yep, Hogan treated WCW like an ATM machine, and now TNA is his latest promotion to suck the money and life out of. It's so amazing that the guy THAT receives so much credit for putting sports entertainment on the map has at the same time completely bent it over and fucked it right up the ass.
@Nordfelt Absolutely thats true! but look at it this way: You have a fat girlfriend who you help to lose weight and become an absolute babe who everyone loves and you take credit for it, don't your efforts also entitle you to bend her over and fuck her up that sweet ass that you are responsible for?
@trenq13 that's because most wrestlers either were working for tna at the time or wee couldn't get a hold or them for intreviewing, or they just didn't want to do it. Many have said by Goldberg agreeing to be interviewed for this, he took a big step towards a spot in the WWE HOF
wcw better then wwe tna better then wwe. omg fans today are such whiners! wcw killed themselves regardless what people think and yes wwf won the monday night wars so get over it. lmao @ some of the people here teying to say vkm needs to learn more about business like they know better then him lol.
why do people say this dvd sucks? It wasn't bad at all. I do prefer the ECW video better but still this DVD is pretty awesome. I give it, 4 out of 5 stars.
@avcaws Too much of it was reused material from old interviews. A lot of major players in WCW were signed with TNA when it was filmed so they couldn't be in it. Eric bishchoff wasn't interviewed again in it so they used old interviews. Something about it was just off. I enjoyed it but it was nowhere near as good as the ecw or monday night wars one.
@DClark1986 I totally agree with what you said fuck the WWE, Even though tna has a lot of bad moments right now its still better then then the WWE but TNA needs to fucking change otherwise they suffer the same demise as WCW out of fucking business. The fucking Veterans need to step down and let the young gets take the spotlight but clearly bishoff and hogan and the whole creative staff does not see that, if the x division is showcased again like it was before tna will be saved
This dvd fucking sucks why they hid so many many things you can tell its wwe dvd, if you want the real truth about this read the death of WCW the book, don't get me wrong i loved wcw heck i still watch it today from my pro wrestling video collection i have all the wcw pay per views on dvd and all the nwa pay per views too and i love every single one of them. and i loved the nWo. the rise and fall of WCW sucks why they hid the truth why wcw died
@adamfear17 WWE didn't tell the whole truth becuz they wanted us all to believe that it was all Vince's doing. Vince is such a lil cry baby, he needs to learn a thing or two about this business that you need competition
in order to make it big. No, he decided to buy WCW becuz they were a threat to him. WCW died from the inside, cuz the people running it didn't know what to do with their talent. I'm a huge WCW and TNA fan. Screw the WWE.
im not saying this caues im big fan of him but dam this dvd is good it don't much of Sting at all hey was big part of wcw but no lets make it look like goldberg and hogan made it big W.E FUCK U WWE
I would love to know why someone like Jericho played such a big part in this DVD...I could give a shit what Jericho thought..I wanted to hear the opinions of guys like Nash, Hall, Hogan, Flair, Goldberg, DDP..Jericho wasn't jackshit in WCW...
@BCEagle73 Jericho and guys like him (Mysterio, Guerrero, Benoit etc) leaving was one of the reasons why WCW began to tank in ratings in 1999-2000. The roster in 96-98 was amazing and will never be repeated again in pro wrestling without another billionnaire owner controlling a wrestling fed, but that roster was eventually stripped of the good workers like Jericho because they never received a push. So Jericho should have a say.
Vince McMahon makes a lot of DVDs just for the purpose of rewriting history. The people being interviewed here are the typical McMahon ass kissers like Flair and Jericho. I'm sorry to say that about two wrestlers who are such legendary performers, but they bitch about WCW and praise Vince McMahon every opportunity they get. I bet in a year, Flair will be in WWE again and talking about how much he hates his current employer, TNA.
@spinemelter2000 I definitely agree that this can not possibly be a fair representation if it's coming from the wwe. Jeff Jarrett was apparently criticised a lot and it's no coincidence that Vince hated him.
Anything said badly about the wwe would be cut out, like the rise and fall of ecw, which had wcw come across as the scum of the universe and nothing bad said about the wwe. I wonder if wcw won if history would have been rewritten differently!? (Not that it would have been right)
And honestly the whole "attitude era" he owe's to Vince Russo. Of course McMahon denies it, but anyone who was with the company at the time and currently isnt will tell you the same thing.
He really didnt win the monday night war, his pockets and money did.
And in the end, be it a WCW, ECW or WWE fan...In the end the fans were the only losers.
With no real competition, WWE is boring as hell.
DVD should be called the rise and fall of pro wrestling
@Stinger4Lyfe Actually...you can thank ECW for the Attitude era.Vince russo didn't really do shit in the WWE,Vince McMahon was the one that told him what was good and what was not,unlike in WCW where he had total control,hence why that was the last stand for WCW since he made some lame as fuck matches and Pretty retarded "controversy".
@Stinger4Lyfe Vince Russo played a role in the Attitude Era but to credit him for the whole thing is illogical. He had to answer to McMahon and there's a lot of stuff Russo wrote that never made air because it was too extreme or too stupid (Rock and Mankind getting married for example)
@Stinger4Lyfe yO HE OWES THE ATTITUDE ERA TO ECW AND PRO WRESTLING HAS NOT FALLEN IT IS JUST LIKE ANY OTHER SPORT OR BUSINESS PEAKS AND VALLEYS AND RIGHT NOW IT IS A VALLEY LOOK THERE HAVE BEEN PLENTY OF BOOM PERIODS IN THIS ERA BRO AND AS EVER PRO WRESTLING LIKRE A PHENOIX (OR JODIE FLIESH FOR MY FWA MARKS) WILL RISE FROM THE ASHES
You're wrong. If Vince Russo is totally responsible for the Attitude Era, why was WCW so horrible under his watch?
You also say that Vince's money won the war. You forget that WCW had more money to spend than WWE, and it's not as if WWE snatched main eventers from WCW; it was the other way around.
@Edgehead10075 Exactly. I'm a WCW AND a WWF fan, I'm sick of seeing all the fanboys here taking sides with stupid logic to back themselves up. WWF won the tv wars fair and square, WCW did all the damage to make itself implode the way it did, before Vince came in and bought the place out. WCW fanboys here need to grow a pair and admit they got beaten by the better brand, and the way WCW was going around that time anyway, it was headed on a massive down spiral, Vince just put it out of its misery.
Shawn Micheals was in the attitude era him HHH Chyna and Rick Rude formed DX. remember the Hart foundation/DX fued in 97 that ended with the montreal screwjob? That staretd the attitude era.
much like any company, WCW had it's ups and downs. The true heyday for the company was 1989, as you couldn't ask for much better stuff at the top of the card than Flair/Steamboat and then Flair/Funk. 1990 had some very good tag team action. The Dangerous alliance carried the company from late 1991 to 1992.
On the other hand, 1993 plain sucked, as did late 1994 and most of 1995. The former was dominated by all the wrong people going over, and lame angles, while the latter had Hogan and his buddies running over the company. Ed Leslie getting a Starrcade main event?
The company got hot again in late 1995 through mid 1997. Even if the matches weren't always that good, the midcard was about as solid as it had ever been, and the NWO angle was awesome until it petered out.
Then from mid 1997 pretty much through the end of the company, there was a massive exercise in frustration as WCW appeared to be doing everything possible to piss off the fans, whether it was not blowing off a decent feud with a match (Jericho/Goldberg), jerking Bret Hart around with his face/heel alliance in the midcard, and let's not forget the horrendousness of both Russo eras, or the utter boredom of the 3 months of Sullivan booking in 2000.
It was Shawn's idea for the Attitude era and he formed DX, maybe he was out with his back injury, but he did alot for them to win the war, Shawn broke his back for the WWE and the fans and deserves respect
What i said was Sahwn and Taker stayed while the other names left, HHH, Austin and The Rock were not headlining yet, WWE was getting them ready, and they may have been losing the ratings war, but the arenas were still packed, WCW was a fad when the NWO formed, and it got stale.
HHH was in WCW he was Jean Paul Levesque. Austin was Stunning Steve Austin. Taker was a WCW original but he only wrestled for them in 1989 he left after they refuesed to renew his contract. look it up.
Do some research kid, i was there, i know who saved the WWE, it was Shawn and the Undertaker staying in the WWE and keeping them alive while The Rock and Austin were becomming stars, and HBK has the best matches just about every show, people go to the arenas to watch the matches, not for the skits, instead of researching shit, try watching it so you can see what's really going on, and btw it was Shawn's idea for the whole attitude era, i don't need to reasearch things i have lived.
Vince did beat WCW's ratings, he let Shawn and the boys create the Attitude era and before you know it, they were leading the ratings, for about 3 years before Vince even bought WCW
WcW will live forever hardcore wcw fans know in there hearts that wcw would be the biggest and best if little rich boy vince didnt screw it all up i mean look at nwa and wcw back in the day and look at wwe today there is no comparison WcW will live forever at least in the fans heart
Vince didn't screw it up, he was perfectly fine with WCW being around, it was WCW's mis-management that screwed it up, people blame the AOL/Time Warner merger, when AOL decided they didn't want wrestling, they could've found another network, USA was always looking for a replacement when WWE went to TNN
The documentary on disc #1 is very entertaining, but is so rushed and skips so many important details that it's just a waste of time in the end.
Disc #3 has some good stuff, but is during the time when the product was nowehere near as good.
Now Disc #2...Disc #2 features some fantastic matches with a laundry list of some of the best performers of the last 30 years. And that MNX-Souther Boys tag really is among the best tag match from North America....ever.
Please stop with the name calling, it's not neccesary, whether or not Bischoff could've saved WCW is a moot point now, if he had Hogan, Hall and Nash out of the way, maybe, i don't buy what WWE says, i watched the show become all NWO all the time, sorry, it got boring watching all of that, it was supposed to be NWO vs WCW, not NWO Nitro and NWO Thunder, i was at the Bash when the NWO was born and thought it was a cool storyline, it got way too big and out of control, Bischoff might have fixed it
Far fro completely falling apart, did i read that, so you're saying they were falling apart, but it was a matter of time, When the WCW fired Bischoff they admitted there were problems, at the rate they were going, he fact that the big stars had their contracts strustured the way they did, if they did survive they would've lost many of the lesser known talents, where would their stars of tomorrow come from, management had no control of the wrestlers
This Spunkalish guy needs to stop swearing like he does, he reminds me of that 5 year old kid who can't get his own way and goes to the corner to pout. WWE IS ALIVE, WCW IS DEAD, PERIOD.
if you knew how things worked, you'd know when you respond to my comments, i get an email stating so, you're telling how wrestlnig is when you can't even figure this out
This DVD is good, there were many reasons for WCW's downfall, it wasn't the AOL/Time Warner merger, all the problems they had with the wrestlers having guaranteed contracts and creative control clauses in them, which led to the downfall and that's the reason AOL/Time Warner wanted no part of it.
wwe is the greatest wrestling company ever they took out ecw that was really popular but made bad financial choices and wcw that was at one time kicking wwe's ass in ratings but was ran into the ground by guys like,russo,hogan and nash but wwe took guys from wcw that werent being used well and made them into stars wwe makes smart choices...usually thats why wwe killed its only major rival wcw and ecw killed its self cuz of its poor financial choices
cool dvd but.. its about 7 years to late. you can watch the same clips/interviews already on nwo back in black, monday night wars and if you were lucky enough to tape wwe confidential.. all the same stuff is already covered on those. save your self the 25 bucks people!!
just finished watching this and agreed with alot of it but found alot of contradictions and alot of paralels with wwe nowadays, for example they made a big deal about Kiss being on nitro and saying how bad it was, this coming from a company that had kid rock doing a 15 minute mini concert in the middle of their biggest event of the year
the first time i watched WCW was in Jan 4th of 1999. that is where "The Fingerpoke of Doom" took place. i saw it when i was six years old, and i still remember that. i'm a witness of WCW's downfall.
The reason why HBK and Undertaker have so much pull and respect within WWE today, is because they held up WWE when WCW was bulldozing them around 96-98....and they also put over guys like Foley, Austin, Rock and DX.
They are the only 2 wrestlers today who run on their own schedule.
wcw's biggest problem was the nwo storyline going too long which kept the same people doin the same thing for YEARS but i think that's simply something that can only be said "after the fact". in wcw's defense, there were no fans saying they were tired of the nwo. Fans couldn't get enough of all the incarnations from the black/white to the black/silver. wwf always had a sense of good timing when it came to creating and ending stables, and then moving on to the next storyline.
The Rise and Fall of WCW have a few highlights of Raven getting beat by Goldberg, but never mention him by name of the Flock, they never even mentioned how they dropped the ball on Steve Austin, or how Mean Mark Callous was there before becomming the Undertaker, 2 can't miss wrestlers who were not handled properly
I'm big wcw fan i loved the nwo that faction was 100percent better than dx. I have a question for those who bought the dvd does it have raven and his flock on it?
I bought this DVD, it could have been better, there were many matches that I felt should have been on the DVD that weren't, and there were some matches that were on the DVD that I felt should not have been on there, but all in all, it was pretty good. I liked The Rise and Fall of ECW better.
hello, don't forget Shawn Michaels and the Undertaker, when WCW was kicking their asses, Shawn and The Undertaker kept them going while they waited for the next big stars, DX lead the way until Austin and The Rock appeared
When Jarrett laid down for Hogan, that was disgraceful, i'm glad i didn't make the walk down the street for that Bash, WCW wouldn't pusk the big names aside for the younger guys because they didn't know how to, or want to make new stars, period
The fans wanted Goldberg because that "character" of Goldberg was something never seen before. He had the Charisma, talent, and look. The persona was invented by Bishoff, of course the fans helped make him, because the fans can make or break anyone. The WCW creative team did something right with Goldberg's character because the fans approved.
Another example was the ROCK. The fans disapproved of his baby face status but after Ross suggested he turned heel, the rest was history
If The Rock was a WCW wrestler and the fans didn't approve of him, WCW would have buried him, as far as Goldberg, just because WCW did something right once doesn't mean the know how to push anyone, their big stars had creative control and wouldn't allow the young guys to move up, hell Nash even stopped Goldberg's run because he was getting too popular, that's in Rise and Fall of WCW, stated by Gooldberg himself, Bischoffr even said on the dvd he can't take credit for Goldberg, the fans made him
i'm not saying what i say based solely on dvds, i say what i say because i've been to many events, WWE, WCW, ECW, TNA and have met guys like RVD, Nash, Terry Taylor, i was at the Bash at The Beach where Hogan joined Hall and Nash and formed the NWO, you should have heard the names people in lines were guessing would be the third man, the most populer was Yokozuna, i laughed and said i'd love Hogan to turn, people laughed lmao, WCW had it because Bischoff had balls, but stars had creative control
WCW didn't create Sting, he was there when Turner bought WCW and was already a star like Ric Flair, Dusty, the Horseman and they buried them all, they had no idea how to use Sting, Booker T was made by Russo, one of the only things he did while running WCW and Goldberg was made by the fans not WCW, read my posts, i do give WCW credit, they had the best show and fucked it up, they got Bret Hart and let Goldberg end his career, i was at the Bash at the Beach when the NWO was formed
WWE didn't create the WCW names they had when they jumped to the WWE. They made them bigger.
WCW made Hogan, Hall, Nash, and Sting bigger. And when I say WCW, Eric Bishoff was the creative genius behind them.
Bishoff created Goldberg. He got over with the fans because of the persona he gave Goldberg. Goldberg had the "it" factor in wrestling. Sting character became even bigger when he turned into the "crow" which was inspired by Scott Hall's idea.
Morevover, the NWO, which again, was the idea of Bishoff transformed the already big names into house hold names. EVERYONE knew who the NWO were.
What messed WCW up was the the power ego of the those big names such as the NWO members. Plus, the lack of direction from Bishoff's higher ups and the introduction of Russo killed them..
WCW didn't "let" Goldberg end Hart's career. That was an unfortunate accident. Did WCW ask for that to happen? No.
while i respect Bischoff for taking some on Vince's ideas and Shawn Michaels ideas and making them work, Shawn is the biggest reason Hall and Nash were anybody, the NWO was formed based on Shawn Michaels Kliq, anyone who watched WWF at the time knows that, that's the biggest reason when they went to the WWE, they had Shawn join, i said in my first post that the reason they ended WCW was because of the big names ala Hogan, Nash and a few others didn't wanna step aside for the younger guys.
LOL dude the NWO wasn't based off the Kliq and definitely had nothing to do with Shawn Michaels. Shawn is the reason Hall and Nash were anybody? Is that why Nash won the WWF Championship before Michaels? Is that why Hall and Nash were making millions while Michaels was almost dying from drug overdoses? Shawn Michaels was just as big of a politicking backstabber as Nash and Hall were. That was the kliq's deal. Michaels buried just as many people as Hall and Nash did. NWO was Bischoff's idea.
Take yourself back to WCW Saturday Night, there a 7' wrestling looking like a giant lollipop man from the Wizard of Oz, called Oz, they changed him to Vinnie Vegas and he was going nowhere, it was Shawn who got Vince to bring him in as his bodyguard Diesel, if that doesn't hapen, the NWO as you know it, doesn't happen, period, Shawn the man had a ton of issues, but Shawn the wrestler had more great matches then the entire NWO, sans Hennig or Hart, you said earlier tha the NWO was New Japan idea
While i respect WCW fans, i respect the old WCW better because they had their own ideas like the 4 Horsemen, most of the guys Bischoff used were former WWE wrestlers, it's easy to push someone who already has a name, if WCW was still around, because the younger guys left, they'd have maybe 2 or 3 guys left, Bischoff said it himself, Goldberg worked because the fans told us they wanted him, it ws nothing Bischoff did except let him wrestle, making a wrestler a star takes work plus opportunity
Watched it yesterday. Good view but of course the story of WCW was told in the view of VKM. but hey maybe i'm still bitter. great matches though.. Flair vs Steamboat, Midnight Express vs the RnR Express. this is must see for all 'ol skool heads.
You really have to look at it from WWE fans or VKM's point of view, Turner and Bischoff tried to put WWE out of business, if WCW would've won, Bischoff and Turner would have been gloating, all Vince wanted was the video library and a few of the wrestlers, he knew Bischoff had talent and value, that's why he hired him, if the WCW didn't let the wrestlers have control of the character, who knows where WCW would be now, and knew how to make stars not run mainly with stars the WWE created
I haven't seen it, but like anything that comes from WWE, it will probably be geared to make the WWE look great.
bigwoklun 3 weeks ago
is this a good DVD? or is it edited to make WWE the best and nothing could/will get near it?
gindalf0492 1 month ago
@gindalf0492 Little better than the Monday night war DVD but they don't mention storylines like Dark side hogan, Giant falling off joe louis arena, the build of the crow sting from 96 to 97 or the Radicalz jumping from WCW to WWF. Plus there's no mention of then almost killing WWF
dgenerate707 4 days ago
i ask my self what if wcw won the monday night wars and they bought the wwf?
UrbannKidd 7 months ago
I liked the early 90's era of WCW but it just spinned out of control
MrMakaveli97 8 months ago
WCW was good,WWF was what i watched when I was 7 till about 8 1/2 years old,I switched to WCW and ECW because they were pretty good.I remember watching ECW on TNN and WWF on USA and wondering "Why does WWF seem like ECW" and "Why does WCW seem kindof like ECW" damn i miss the old days.WWE needs to get back into the wrestling scene,TNA needs to hire Paul Heyman and ROH or CZW needs a damn good TV deal
660Juggalo 9 months ago
@660Juggalo they would o=get one if they stop during these long promo's before every match
MOBEntYoungChill 2 months ago
Russo + McMahon = Ratings. Russo - McMahon = Death of WCW.
The1DonG 9 months ago
apparently eric bischoff had a nickname in wcw 'ATM eric' because you could go up to him and he'd give you turners money
crazyoney2k 9 months ago
and hogan took most of the money, along easy e
ztjam01 9 months ago
i got the dvd in 2009 and have watched it 3 times in the year ever since.
i have over 700 wrestling dvd's but i just love that one
EdgeoleHD 9 months ago
The OLD WCW before Bischoff / Hogan etc arrived was much better. Austin, Pillman, Flair, the Horsemen, Sting, Dusty Rhodes, Midnight Express, Jim Cornette etc. That era seems to have been buried. Trust me, it was a golden era. Far better than WWF.
gazz12345a 9 months ago
A lot of you have to understand the monday wars are what made wrestling great, if wcw wasn't around wrestling would have been boring. It Was wcw that got WWF on it's feet and made it competitive wcw is the reason that wwf hit the attitude era. They both fed off each other in finding ways to out do each other.
FoxsitoTaquito 9 months ago
As a die-hard lifelong WCW fan, it pains me to say this, but let's face facts, people. Vince McMahon didn't kill WCW when he bought it. Piss-poor management, easy money, huge egos (*cough* nWo), botched hype (Starrcade '97), and AOL Time-Warner's hatred of wrestling killed WCW. When you combine the negatives, it's very surprising that the televised product ended up being as amazing and spectacular as it was.
NeverwinterKnight77 10 months ago 2
Actually, the merger played a big factor. Ted Turner was a big supporter of WCW programming whereas the AOL execs were not. With AOL floundering as it is now, I'd like to see Ted come take his company back...invest in TNA....keep Impact on Spike and make a monday night 3 hour show on TNT.
albert92680 10 months ago
Jeff Jarrett sucks.
Edgehead10075 10 months ago
WCW talked trashed to WWE live on there program and so did ECW. WWF/E was just doing their thing and not focusing on WCW when it came to the show. WWE just did their thing and had no wrestlers downing Nitro, one of the reasons why it fell is cause of their mouth. If they just stayed focused on WCW then they would have probably won. Instead WCW said "Oh we beat RAW 84 weeks and they suck." Prime example that karma is a bitch. Just keep your mouth shut.
dchero 10 months ago
@dchero Come to think of it. If WCW hadn't have talked trash DX would have never went to their building. So in a way WCW helped WWF/E beat them....wow.
dchero 10 months ago
@RockNRollahGuy101 I have heard that all the that wwe is dead. But it seems huge to me. I remember the lean years.
I am in my thirties and because of my son we are watching it together and I find it entertaining. I watched it in the 80's and it seems the same to me. Although no one as good as Hogan's character.
IrishCaucasian 10 months ago
Merger or no merger, WCW was going down
mmscott9 11 months ago 2
Coming soon: The Rise and Fall of TNA
GenerationXeroFilms 11 months ago 3
@GenerationXeroFilms TNA never rose to a level comparable with WCW.
WCW = 40K fans for a weekly TV event at the Georgia Dome, TNA = 5K fans for its biggest PPV
WCW = TV ratings better than WWF for over a year, TNA = 1/4 of the WWE's ratings even when Hogan debuts
WCW was the old AFL to the WWF's NFL, and TNA is more like the XFL
Gamebox27 11 months ago
@GenerationXeroFilms or The Rise and Fall of WWE
CommunieNetwork 10 months ago
@GenerationXeroFilms lol thats something i dont want to think about cuz a good percentage of WCW legends are in TNA and the reason why there in TNA is cuz they dont want to work for McMahon so.....yea once TNA is gone....the legends are gone
TJhemenway2 10 months ago
the correct title should be "The Rise and Fall of Pro Wrestling" because WWE is nothing without WCW, no matter how much Cena fans disagree
tmbttes 11 months ago
wcw give a new defination to pro wrestling now i watch wwe when i am bored bcoz tna is not so good
sahib4552 11 months ago
wcw give a new defination to pro wrestling now i watch wwe when i am bored
sahib4552 11 months ago
0:58 ......the merge between AOL and Time Warner was what killed WCW. WCW was doing fine until that happen
jaymantube 11 months ago
dx is only shit,nwo is the fucking best forever and ever,it's a shame that WCW did not come to these days,wcw is the best
psycovamp11 11 months ago
Rise of wcw: Hogan signing with them. Fall of wcw: Hogan leaving.
me31669 1 year ago
I watched whichever show Ric Flair was on. Woooooooooooooo!
wclaurence 1 year ago
I hate trailers that show clips that are not even in the DVD. Hogan's ATM machine comment is nowhere to be found on the DVD...
sprasher 1 year ago
@sprasher Most trailers are made long before the final edit.
Gamebox27 11 months ago
Yep, Hogan treated WCW like an ATM machine, and now TNA is his latest promotion to suck the money and life out of. It's so amazing that the guy THAT receives so much credit for putting sports entertainment on the map has at the same time completely bent it over and fucked it right up the ass.
As my boy Kurt Angle would say,
It's true. It's true.
Nordfelt 1 year ago
@Nordfelt Absolutely thats true! but look at it this way: You have a fat girlfriend who you help to lose weight and become an absolute babe who everyone loves and you take credit for it, don't your efforts also entitle you to bend her over and fuck her up that sweet ass that you are responsible for?
me31669 1 year ago
disapointing dvd. the ecw one was like 3 hours long. this one was way to short and was mostly used old archive interviews of WCW wrestlers.
trenq13 1 year ago
@trenq13 that's because most wrestlers either were working for tna at the time or wee couldn't get a hold or them for intreviewing, or they just didn't want to do it. Many have said by Goldberg agreeing to be interviewed for this, he took a big step towards a spot in the WWE HOF
Hazardf5 1 year ago
WCW dug their own grave
Siddhuakahollowful 1 year ago
wcw better then wwe tna better then wwe. omg fans today are such whiners! wcw killed themselves regardless what people think and yes wwf won the monday night wars so get over it. lmao @ some of the people here teying to say vkm needs to learn more about business like they know better then him lol.
91gt306 1 year ago
@91gt306
ECW better than all of them
AmErWwF 1 year ago
DX><WCW
mantassxmantassx 1 year ago
why do people say this dvd sucks? It wasn't bad at all. I do prefer the ECW video better but still this DVD is pretty awesome. I give it, 4 out of 5 stars.
avcaws 1 year ago 2
@avcaws Too much of it was reused material from old interviews. A lot of major players in WCW were signed with TNA when it was filmed so they couldn't be in it. Eric bishchoff wasn't interviewed again in it so they used old interviews. Something about it was just off. I enjoyed it but it was nowhere near as good as the ecw or monday night wars one.
StewartLucrative 1 year ago
blame The Rock
tothebeaty0 1 year ago
who made this video it is crap
Stryker463 1 year ago
If only they knew how to direct talent..
IndyoThe13 1 year ago
Ei! WWF RULES!! :D
JeffHardY2009wwe 1 year ago
wcw was way cooler than wwe
omairiqbal889 1 year ago
@DClark1986 I totally agree with what you said fuck the WWE, Even though tna has a lot of bad moments right now its still better then then the WWE but TNA needs to fucking change otherwise they suffer the same demise as WCW out of fucking business. The fucking Veterans need to step down and let the young gets take the spotlight but clearly bishoff and hogan and the whole creative staff does not see that, if the x division is showcased again like it was before tna will be saved
adamfear17 1 year ago
This dvd fucking sucks why they hid so many many things you can tell its wwe dvd, if you want the real truth about this read the death of WCW the book, don't get me wrong i loved wcw heck i still watch it today from my pro wrestling video collection i have all the wcw pay per views on dvd and all the nwa pay per views too and i love every single one of them. and i loved the nWo. the rise and fall of WCW sucks why they hid the truth why wcw died
adamfear17 1 year ago
@adamfear17 WWE didn't tell the whole truth becuz they wanted us all to believe that it was all Vince's doing. Vince is such a lil cry baby, he needs to learn a thing or two about this business that you need competition
in order to make it big. No, he decided to buy WCW becuz they were a threat to him. WCW died from the inside, cuz the people running it didn't know what to do with their talent. I'm a huge WCW and TNA fan. Screw the WWE.
DClark1986 1 year ago 2
WWF Vs WCW made pro wrestling what it was unpredictable shows, Great Talent and Great Matches with great champions gutted when WCW fell.
WythenshaweCity 1 year ago
@120FABLE RONG MORON
Stingfan200010 1 year ago
im not saying this caues im big fan of him but dam this dvd is good it don't much of Sting at all hey was big part of wcw but no lets make it look like goldberg and hogan made it big W.E FUCK U WWE
Stingfan200010 1 year ago
@120FABLE A PART OF IT DID YEAH THATS TRUE
thebigpentertainment 1 year ago
I wish I could go back in time to change this
IndyoThe13 1 year ago 2
FUCK YOU RUSSO
CurtCandido 1 year ago 9
Goldberg: "Any writing Russo was involved with, I thought smelt like shit!"
SRPC21 1 year ago 27
"It was like the largest ATM machine i ever saw" Hogan lol !!
80sguy35 1 year ago 3
soon theres gonno be a the rise and fall of tna xD
bakugandude555 1 year ago
@bakugandude555 Rise?
KrizzyB 1 year ago
@KrizzyB SNAP!
kanenite10 1 year ago
I would love to know why someone like Jericho played such a big part in this DVD...I could give a shit what Jericho thought..I wanted to hear the opinions of guys like Nash, Hall, Hogan, Flair, Goldberg, DDP..Jericho wasn't jackshit in WCW...
BCEagle73 1 year ago
@BCEagle73 Jericho and guys like him (Mysterio, Guerrero, Benoit etc) leaving was one of the reasons why WCW began to tank in ratings in 1999-2000. The roster in 96-98 was amazing and will never be repeated again in pro wrestling without another billionnaire owner controlling a wrestling fed, but that roster was eventually stripped of the good workers like Jericho because they never received a push. So Jericho should have a say.
Pentdad 1 year ago
@WSXnTNA4Life TNA is in Much WORSE shape right now. So, we'll have a Rise and Fall of TNA in the year 2015
Urvy1A 1 year ago
@Urvy1A OOOH GOD HEAR WE GO AGAIN A NOTHER TNA HATER DUDE SHUT UP
Stingfan200010 1 year ago
Had to throw the Shockmaster in there.
jonypill42069 1 year ago 2
FUCK WWE FUCK VINCE
KingCrunkBoy 1 year ago
WCW was like the old WWF, now the WWE sucks ass
Mutahnt 1 year ago
only one person killed WCW...and his name... is VINCE...
RUSSO!...i mean TNA was shit when he was the writer!
TheMrJayJay1991 1 year ago
i just want to waited rise and fall of WWE
KM22Xtreme 1 year ago
Vince McMahon makes a lot of DVDs just for the purpose of rewriting history. The people being interviewed here are the typical McMahon ass kissers like Flair and Jericho. I'm sorry to say that about two wrestlers who are such legendary performers, but they bitch about WCW and praise Vince McMahon every opportunity they get. I bet in a year, Flair will be in WWE again and talking about how much he hates his current employer, TNA.
spinemelter2000 1 year ago
@spinemelter2000 yes i agree that and the money he knows hes gonna make from the old fans buying it the true fans before all this shit is today.
lXxMasterShakexXl 1 year ago
@spinemelter2000 I definitely agree that this can not possibly be a fair representation if it's coming from the wwe. Jeff Jarrett was apparently criticised a lot and it's no coincidence that Vince hated him.
Anything said badly about the wwe would be cut out, like the rise and fall of ecw, which had wcw come across as the scum of the universe and nothing bad said about the wwe. I wonder if wcw won if history would have been rewritten differently!? (Not that it would have been right)
SRPC21 1 year ago
You know I liked the actual documentary about WCW. But I think WWE purposely left off the best matches. The matches stunk.
funkiersnoog 1 year ago
WCW Was insane in the mid 80's to around 99..but after that it got alittle stale
BreakingTheChains89 1 year ago
WCW was a good company with no direction. Had they had the same structure in place like the WWF did they would still be around today.
like2seeit86 1 year ago 3
@like2seeit86 it would've been WCW buying WWF
thewatcher180 1 year ago
Shame
Terryfan 1 year ago
I wonder what they are going to call the TNA is dead DVD. The Fail & Fall of TNA or The Company That Never Was: TNA? or maybe WTF is this crap?: TNA
papertrailTIP 2 years ago
@papertrailTIP it'll just be written with a marker saying TNA and in the inside a blank DVD
thewatcher180 1 year ago
lol Check who wrote that book kid.
Anyone who actually was in WCW at the time says that was a joke.
WCW was in horrible state before he took over it.
lol Russo is responsible for the attitude era....DX acting like 12 year olds and everything else that came with it.
Anyone who is no longer with the WWE says that was all Russo. Rock's big push, austin...I could go on.....
Shouldnt bee too big of a shock, McMahon lies.
Stinger4Lyfe 2 years ago
Hunter never matter around that time.
GrimReaperFrankWhite 2 years ago
Vince russo is a piece of shit man
doomsayer54 2 years ago 64
Hogan and biscoff both signed with tna today. DIE WWE
ElementGames 2 years ago 2
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Your mom signed to my cock .... DIE son
GrimReaperFrankWhite 2 years ago
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I agree with Bull, he copied a whole lot.
And honestly the whole "attitude era" he owe's to Vince Russo. Of course McMahon denies it, but anyone who was with the company at the time and currently isnt will tell you the same thing.
He really didnt win the monday night war, his pockets and money did.
And in the end, be it a WCW, ECW or WWE fan...In the end the fans were the only losers.
With no real competition, WWE is boring as hell.
DVD should be called the rise and fall of pro wrestling
Stinger4Lyfe 2 years ago 97
@Stinger4Lyfe they both owe the whole attitude era to paul haymen and the guys at ecw
freddykrugerfan 1 year ago
@Stinger4Lyfe Actually...you can thank ECW for the Attitude era.Vince russo didn't really do shit in the WWE,Vince McMahon was the one that told him what was good and what was not,unlike in WCW where he had total control,hence why that was the last stand for WCW since he made some lame as fuck matches and Pretty retarded "controversy".
CodeIamx 1 year ago
@CodeIamx sting got barly nothing in this dvd what a crock
Stingfan200010 1 year ago
@Stinger4Lyfe lol good 1
tna4life100 1 year ago
@Stinger4Lyfe Vince Russo played a role in the Attitude Era but to credit him for the whole thing is illogical. He had to answer to McMahon and there's a lot of stuff Russo wrote that never made air because it was too extreme or too stupid (Rock and Mankind getting married for example)
CAWGregoryBlack 1 year ago
@Stinger4Lyfe yO HE OWES THE ATTITUDE ERA TO ECW AND PRO WRESTLING HAS NOT FALLEN IT IS JUST LIKE ANY OTHER SPORT OR BUSINESS PEAKS AND VALLEYS AND RIGHT NOW IT IS A VALLEY LOOK THERE HAVE BEEN PLENTY OF BOOM PERIODS IN THIS ERA BRO AND AS EVER PRO WRESTLING LIKRE A PHENOIX (OR JODIE FLIESH FOR MY FWA MARKS) WILL RISE FROM THE ASHES
thebigpentertainment 1 year ago
@Stinger4Lyfe Everything said here has so little truth to it, it's incredible how 51 other idiots could agree.
Nordfelt 1 year ago
You're wrong. If Vince Russo is totally responsible for the Attitude Era, why was WCW so horrible under his watch?
You also say that Vince's money won the war. You forget that WCW had more money to spend than WWE, and it's not as if WWE snatched main eventers from WCW; it was the other way around.
Edgehead10075 10 months ago
@Edgehead10075 Exactly. I'm a WCW AND a WWF fan, I'm sick of seeing all the fanboys here taking sides with stupid logic to back themselves up. WWF won the tv wars fair and square, WCW did all the damage to make itself implode the way it did, before Vince came in and bought the place out. WCW fanboys here need to grow a pair and admit they got beaten by the better brand, and the way WCW was going around that time anyway, it was headed on a massive down spiral, Vince just put it out of its misery.
wogacelli 10 months ago
Shawn Micheals was in the attitude era him HHH Chyna and Rick Rude formed DX. remember the Hart foundation/DX fued in 97 that ended with the montreal screwjob? That staretd the attitude era.
StevieGreig1 2 years ago
much like any company, WCW had it's ups and downs. The true heyday for the company was 1989, as you couldn't ask for much better stuff at the top of the card than Flair/Steamboat and then Flair/Funk. 1990 had some very good tag team action. The Dangerous alliance carried the company from late 1991 to 1992.
gwef7 2 years ago
On the other hand, 1993 plain sucked, as did late 1994 and most of 1995. The former was dominated by all the wrong people going over, and lame angles, while the latter had Hogan and his buddies running over the company. Ed Leslie getting a Starrcade main event?
gwef7 2 years ago
The company got hot again in late 1995 through mid 1997. Even if the matches weren't always that good, the midcard was about as solid as it had ever been, and the NWO angle was awesome until it petered out.
gwef7 2 years ago
Then from mid 1997 pretty much through the end of the company, there was a massive exercise in frustration as WCW appeared to be doing everything possible to piss off the fans, whether it was not blowing off a decent feud with a match (Jericho/Goldberg), jerking Bret Hart around with his face/heel alliance in the midcard, and let's not forget the horrendousness of both Russo eras, or the utter boredom of the 3 months of Sullivan booking in 2000.
gwef7 2 years ago
HBK IS A FAG
trollingtheweb 2 years ago
That's because ECW was about the matches, WCW was about the egos
RocketRic14 2 years ago 2
It was Shawn's idea for the Attitude era and he formed DX, maybe he was out with his back injury, but he did alot for them to win the war, Shawn broke his back for the WWE and the fans and deserves respect
RocketRic14 2 years ago
What i said was Sahwn and Taker stayed while the other names left, HHH, Austin and The Rock were not headlining yet, WWE was getting them ready, and they may have been losing the ratings war, but the arenas were still packed, WCW was a fad when the NWO formed, and it got stale.
RocketRic14 2 years ago
HHH was in WCW he was Jean Paul Levesque. Austin was Stunning Steve Austin. Taker was a WCW original but he only wrestled for them in 1989 he left after they refuesed to renew his contract. look it up.
StevieGreig1 2 years ago
Do some research kid, i was there, i know who saved the WWE, it was Shawn and the Undertaker staying in the WWE and keeping them alive while The Rock and Austin were becomming stars, and HBK has the best matches just about every show, people go to the arenas to watch the matches, not for the skits, instead of researching shit, try watching it so you can see what's really going on, and btw it was Shawn's idea for the whole attitude era, i don't need to reasearch things i have lived.
RocketRic14 2 years ago
wcw neather had better ratings wwf owned it back then and then it changed to wwe and still got the ratings
scorezz 2 years ago
he couldn't beat wcw's ratings so he just bought it and changed everything that made wcw what is was
Justin2Cloze 2 years ago
Vince did beat WCW's ratings, he let Shawn and the boys create the Attitude era and before you know it, they were leading the ratings, for about 3 years before Vince even bought WCW
RocketRic14 2 years ago
WcW will live forever hardcore wcw fans know in there hearts that wcw would be the biggest and best if little rich boy vince didnt screw it all up i mean look at nwa and wcw back in the day and look at wwe today there is no comparison WcW will live forever at least in the fans heart
Justin2Cloze 2 years ago
Vince screwed it up? Are you a fucking idiot? How did Vince screw it up?
manicmacintosh 2 years ago
hear you brother.
dayley85 2 years ago
Vince didn't screw it up, he was perfectly fine with WCW being around, it was WCW's mis-management that screwed it up, people blame the AOL/Time Warner merger, when AOL decided they didn't want wrestling, they could've found another network, USA was always looking for a replacement when WWE went to TNN
RocketRic14 2 years ago
God I hate Vince Mcmahon!
Fuckutube81 2 years ago
The documentary on disc #1 is very entertaining, but is so rushed and skips so many important details that it's just a waste of time in the end.
Disc #3 has some good stuff, but is during the time when the product was nowehere near as good.
Now Disc #2...Disc #2 features some fantastic matches with a laundry list of some of the best performers of the last 30 years. And that MNX-Souther Boys tag really is among the best tag match from North America....ever.
gwef7 2 years ago
Please stop with the name calling, it's not neccesary, whether or not Bischoff could've saved WCW is a moot point now, if he had Hogan, Hall and Nash out of the way, maybe, i don't buy what WWE says, i watched the show become all NWO all the time, sorry, it got boring watching all of that, it was supposed to be NWO vs WCW, not NWO Nitro and NWO Thunder, i was at the Bash when the NWO was born and thought it was a cool storyline, it got way too big and out of control, Bischoff might have fixed it
RocketRic14 2 years ago
Far fro completely falling apart, did i read that, so you're saying they were falling apart, but it was a matter of time, When the WCW fired Bischoff they admitted there were problems, at the rate they were going, he fact that the big stars had their contracts strustured the way they did, if they did survive they would've lost many of the lesser known talents, where would their stars of tomorrow come from, management had no control of the wrestlers
RocketRic14 2 years ago
Eric Bischoff new the end was coming in August of 1998.
Traebo18 2 years ago 3
This Spunkalish guy needs to stop swearing like he does, he reminds me of that 5 year old kid who can't get his own way and goes to the corner to pout. WWE IS ALIVE, WCW IS DEAD, PERIOD.
RocketRic14 2 years ago
Does Spunkalish have this bookmarked so he can comment all the time???
RocketRic14 2 years ago
Does RocketRic14 have this video bookmarked so he can comment on it all the time?
Spunkalish 2 years ago
if you knew how things worked, you'd know when you respond to my comments, i get an email stating so, you're telling how wrestlnig is when you can't even figure this out
RocketRic14 2 years ago
does any one know where i can find or who has uploaded the dvd on youtube?
tyreebyrd 2 years ago
This DVD is good, there were many reasons for WCW's downfall, it wasn't the AOL/Time Warner merger, all the problems they had with the wrestlers having guaranteed contracts and creative control clauses in them, which led to the downfall and that's the reason AOL/Time Warner wanted no part of it.
RocketRic14 2 years ago
God man, shut the fuck up. Don't care anymore.
Spunkalish 2 years ago
is this dvd good or bed?
ganesterjacob 2 years ago
wwe is the greatest wrestling company ever they took out ecw that was really popular but made bad financial choices and wcw that was at one time kicking wwe's ass in ratings but was ran into the ground by guys like,russo,hogan and nash but wwe took guys from wcw that werent being used well and made them into stars wwe makes smart choices...usually thats why wwe killed its only major rival wcw and ecw killed its self cuz of its poor financial choices
tyman012597 2 years ago
RIP WCW.. wrestling is not the same without a competitor like them...
dawsonoo7 2 years ago 5
cool dvd but.. its about 7 years to late. you can watch the same clips/interviews already on nwo back in black, monday night wars and if you were lucky enough to tape wwe confidential.. all the same stuff is already covered on those. save your self the 25 bucks people!!
hellspit2003 2 years ago
well it has alot of wcw matches aswell and not every interview but yeah pretty much all of them but its still pretty good collectors dvd
BC2k809 2 years ago
just finished watching this and agreed with alot of it but found alot of contradictions and alot of paralels with wwe nowadays, for example they made a big deal about Kiss being on nitro and saying how bad it was, this coming from a company that had kid rock doing a 15 minute mini concert in the middle of their biggest event of the year
Crookmeisteren 2 years ago
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HAHA FUCK WCW BURN IN HELL
WWF ATTITUDE KICKED WCW's ASSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BRING BACK WWF ATTITUDE!
steharrislufc 2 years ago
the first time i watched WCW was in Jan 4th of 1999. that is where "The Fingerpoke of Doom" took place. i saw it when i was six years old, and i still remember that. i'm a witness of WCW's downfall.
ctv3 2 years ago
The reason why HBK and Undertaker have so much pull and respect within WWE today, is because they held up WWE when WCW was bulldozing them around 96-98....and they also put over guys like Foley, Austin, Rock and DX.
They are the only 2 wrestlers today who run on their own schedule.
prakstin 2 years ago
how the wcw announcer guy know mic foley was going to win the world title.. is this a good dvd
ddoggs2008 2 years ago
raw was taped nitro was live so they knew raws results
sailorcuteness 2 years ago 3
o is this a good dvd to by. if so is it on youtube
ddoggs2008 2 years ago
i like the wcw/nwo/ wwf days. is this worth buyin
ddoggs2008 2 years ago 3
wcw's biggest problem was the nwo storyline going too long which kept the same people doin the same thing for YEARS but i think that's simply something that can only be said "after the fact". in wcw's defense, there were no fans saying they were tired of the nwo. Fans couldn't get enough of all the incarnations from the black/white to the black/silver. wwf always had a sense of good timing when it came to creating and ending stables, and then moving on to the next storyline.
y2johnnie 2 years ago 3
The Rise and Fall of WCW have a few highlights of Raven getting beat by Goldberg, but never mention him by name of the Flock, they never even mentioned how they dropped the ball on Steve Austin, or how Mean Mark Callous was there before becomming the Undertaker, 2 can't miss wrestlers who were not handled properly
RocketRic14 2 years ago
I'm big wcw fan i loved the nwo that faction was 100percent better than dx. I have a question for those who bought the dvd does it have raven and his flock on it?
MrDivalover1 2 years ago 4
I bought this DVD, it could have been better, there were many matches that I felt should have been on the DVD that weren't, and there were some matches that were on the DVD that I felt should not have been on there, but all in all, it was pretty good. I liked The Rise and Fall of ECW better.
dennisbergkamp17 2 years ago
i loved wcw and wwf? i hate wwe now. would this be somethin worth buying? if so explain
ddoggs2008 2 years ago
they had tah show the Shockmaster clip lmao
kimbob5 2 years ago
Hogan, Hall, Nash, Jarett, Goldberg, Macho Man, Jericho, Eddie, Benoit, Buff Bagwell, Bischoff, Big Show, Bret Hart, Flair, Pipper, Steiner still couldnt beat Stone Cold and The Rock...
DenGual10 2 years ago
hello, don't forget Shawn Michaels and the Undertaker, when WCW was kicking their asses, Shawn and The Undertaker kept them going while they waited for the next big stars, DX lead the way until Austin and The Rock appeared
RocketRic14 2 years ago
Austin Rock were around before DX was formed.
Spunkalish 2 years ago
As you said about the young stars in wcw, Austion and Rock were not ready to lead the federation when DX showed
RocketRic14 2 years ago
WWE is SHIT now. Why? No WCW.
DVD could have been better.
WECENANUFF 2 years ago 5
When Jarrett laid down for Hogan, that was disgraceful, i'm glad i didn't make the walk down the street for that Bash, WCW wouldn't pusk the big names aside for the younger guys because they didn't know how to, or want to make new stars, period
RocketRic14 2 years ago
The fans wanted Goldberg because that "character" of Goldberg was something never seen before. He had the Charisma, talent, and look. The persona was invented by Bishoff, of course the fans helped make him, because the fans can make or break anyone. The WCW creative team did something right with Goldberg's character because the fans approved.
Another example was the ROCK. The fans disapproved of his baby face status but after Ross suggested he turned heel, the rest was history
leftcoastpunk 2 years ago
If The Rock was a WCW wrestler and the fans didn't approve of him, WCW would have buried him, as far as Goldberg, just because WCW did something right once doesn't mean the know how to push anyone, their big stars had creative control and wouldn't allow the young guys to move up, hell Nash even stopped Goldberg's run because he was getting too popular, that's in Rise and Fall of WCW, stated by Gooldberg himself, Bischoffr even said on the dvd he can't take credit for Goldberg, the fans made him
RocketRic14 2 years ago
Lol WWE DVDs are always revisionist bullshit, you should know that.
Spunkalish 2 years ago
i'm not saying what i say based solely on dvds, i say what i say because i've been to many events, WWE, WCW, ECW, TNA and have met guys like RVD, Nash, Terry Taylor, i was at the Bash at The Beach where Hogan joined Hall and Nash and formed the NWO, you should have heard the names people in lines were guessing would be the third man, the most populer was Yokozuna, i laughed and said i'd love Hogan to turn, people laughed lmao, WCW had it because Bischoff had balls, but stars had creative control
RocketRic14 2 years ago
WCW didn't create Sting, he was there when Turner bought WCW and was already a star like Ric Flair, Dusty, the Horseman and they buried them all, they had no idea how to use Sting, Booker T was made by Russo, one of the only things he did while running WCW and Goldberg was made by the fans not WCW, read my posts, i do give WCW credit, they had the best show and fucked it up, they got Bret Hart and let Goldberg end his career, i was at the Bash at the Beach when the NWO was formed
RocketRic14 2 years ago
WWE didn't create the WCW names they had when they jumped to the WWE. They made them bigger.
WCW made Hogan, Hall, Nash, and Sting bigger. And when I say WCW, Eric Bishoff was the creative genius behind them.
Bishoff created Goldberg. He got over with the fans because of the persona he gave Goldberg. Goldberg had the "it" factor in wrestling. Sting character became even bigger when he turned into the "crow" which was inspired by Scott Hall's idea.
leftcoastpunk 2 years ago
Morevover, the NWO, which again, was the idea of Bishoff transformed the already big names into house hold names. EVERYONE knew who the NWO were.
What messed WCW up was the the power ego of the those big names such as the NWO members. Plus, the lack of direction from Bishoff's higher ups and the introduction of Russo killed them..
WCW didn't "let" Goldberg end Hart's career. That was an unfortunate accident. Did WCW ask for that to happen? No.
leftcoastpunk 2 years ago
while i respect Bischoff for taking some on Vince's ideas and Shawn Michaels ideas and making them work, Shawn is the biggest reason Hall and Nash were anybody, the NWO was formed based on Shawn Michaels Kliq, anyone who watched WWF at the time knows that, that's the biggest reason when they went to the WWE, they had Shawn join, i said in my first post that the reason they ended WCW was because of the big names ala Hogan, Nash and a few others didn't wanna step aside for the younger guys.
RocketRic14 2 years ago
LOL dude the NWO wasn't based off the Kliq and definitely had nothing to do with Shawn Michaels. Shawn is the reason Hall and Nash were anybody? Is that why Nash won the WWF Championship before Michaels? Is that why Hall and Nash were making millions while Michaels was almost dying from drug overdoses? Shawn Michaels was just as big of a politicking backstabber as Nash and Hall were. That was the kliq's deal. Michaels buried just as many people as Hall and Nash did. NWO was Bischoff's idea.
Spunkalish 2 years ago
Take yourself back to WCW Saturday Night, there a 7' wrestling looking like a giant lollipop man from the Wizard of Oz, called Oz, they changed him to Vinnie Vegas and he was going nowhere, it was Shawn who got Vince to bring him in as his bodyguard Diesel, if that doesn't hapen, the NWO as you know it, doesn't happen, period, Shawn the man had a ton of issues, but Shawn the wrestler had more great matches then the entire NWO, sans Hennig or Hart, you said earlier tha the NWO was New Japan idea
RocketRic14 2 years ago
While i respect WCW fans, i respect the old WCW better because they had their own ideas like the 4 Horsemen, most of the guys Bischoff used were former WWE wrestlers, it's easy to push someone who already has a name, if WCW was still around, because the younger guys left, they'd have maybe 2 or 3 guys left, Bischoff said it himself, Goldberg worked because the fans told us they wanted him, it ws nothing Bischoff did except let him wrestle, making a wrestler a star takes work plus opportunity
RocketRic14 2 years ago
how did wcw end?
paulc2k9 2 years ago
Badly.
lol
Romulus123 2 years ago
lol
paulc2k9 2 years ago
Watched it yesterday. Good view but of course the story of WCW was told in the view of VKM. but hey maybe i'm still bitter. great matches though.. Flair vs Steamboat, Midnight Express vs the RnR Express. this is must see for all 'ol skool heads.
devsone 2 years ago
You really have to look at it from WWE fans or VKM's point of view, Turner and Bischoff tried to put WWE out of business, if WCW would've won, Bischoff and Turner would have been gloating, all Vince wanted was the video library and a few of the wrestlers, he knew Bischoff had talent and value, that's why he hired him, if the WCW didn't let the wrestlers have control of the character, who knows where WCW would be now, and knew how to make stars not run mainly with stars the WWE created
RocketRic14 2 years ago
Couldnt have said it better myself.
Good Call.
B44501xRacerEX 2 years ago