TD Jakes says Christianity is not the only way to heaven along with many others

[Bashanvibe]

@ YAHPorpoise777 don't be closed minded with your belief system this is why i don't support any ones religion any more it has caused so many wars and misunderstanding!! I'm very conectec to the energy being of my Creator so don't judge what u don't understand only learn from it!!! I'm not mad at u only giving u wisdom!!!peace & love my friend!!!

[johnny91592]

Jesus Christ is the only way to God

[aboyborninjune]

and heaven exists, since?

[patriciacarrasco]

the catholic church was NEVER the true church, they are a religion mixed with paganism so it dont surprise me...but for t.d. jakes to say this? wow. the Bible speaks that even the elect will be deceived if possible...Lord have mercy

[IWantToKnowChrist]

@patriciacarrasco just about every popular television preacher has done that, they aren't saved because they deny that jesus is the only way or specifically lie and prophesy lies.you can look it up for yourself, but my advice is to not trust any of them on tv, if you like a preacher on tv, research them before you throw any eggs in their basket. god bless.

[Bashanvibe]

why do say that Jesus is the only way!!! when u can have a person that may not anything bout Jesus but they can have a lot of love so u mean to tell me that person is going to hell!!! thats not fair the being shouldn't suffer!!!yall dont even get the control of what these religions are doing to the people if they ask for it then tell them but if they don't then let them live there life we have free will!!! this why I'm no longer apart of any group this has cause so many unnecessary wars!!!

[YAHPorpoise777]

@Bashanvibe You are a man with a mind which has been formed by the Creator. It stands to reason that the Creators decisions are formed from more intelligence than yours since he formed your mind. If YAHUVEH is the very definition of fair, then we must humbly admit that the Hell judgment, although difficult to comprehend, is truly fair in every sense of the word.

[YAHPorpoise777]

@Bashanvibe You say people can have love. If they do its because the Creator put love in them. If they reject his son, does he not have the right to then remove what is His, and leave them bereft of Him, which is Hell, since he is the very sustenance of all that is Good.

Indeed, you underestimate the Creator, since you do not understand that all Creation was formed from Him, and must return to Him. We are not independent of God, in fact we are sort of loaned and must be returned or burned.

[yuliya56100]

joel Osteen,Benny Hinn,Peter Popoff,and many many others are false!! and Ppl fall for there crap,because they tickle their ears!!! Paul Washer is a HATED man,,but he preaches the Gospel truth,,and we need more like him!!!!

[yuliya56100]

God will help discern who,and what a false prophet is...Pray for wisdom!!

[SOULSafeProductionZ]

Jesus is my Saviour. PERIOD.

[SOULSafeProductionZ]

Jesus (God the Son) is the ONLY way to the Father. The Father is in Heaven. Hence, Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven. What's so difficult about that concept? Worried about offending people? I say be offended now, but let that energy make investigate what the Bible is talking about rather than finding out later that you had a chance to accept Jesus......And you didn't...Nah mean?

[bobbyraejohnson]

The catholic church is like the mormon church they are a political church

[MyIpsofacto]

...there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. (I Timothy 2:5-6)

[arroncop]

so joel osteen basically says he believes in the gospel message of christ and that is getting him to heaven but that others do not, he cant or wont comment if they arent saved. how sad. so many lost who need to hear from people like osteen but wont hear the message of condemnation due to sin but forgiveness and redemption through christ jesus and only christ jesus. time is running out, how many lost will stay lost because men like osteen wont speak the truth.

[arroncop]

Uniting all faiths under anything, especially the corrupt Catholic Church, is laughable. If you really think Native Americans and their worship of nature and other such tripe is the same as the gospel message...wow. We are destined for destruction due to our sin, separating us from God. Gods son JESUS died for our sin, a surrogate sacrifice. He rose and defeated death and hell. He reigns in heaven, interceding for us. Only he can cleans us of our sins. you either belive that or u dont.

[SuperBless28]

shame on the them Jesus is the only way stjohn14:6 you either new cvenant are none at all which is theblod of jesus christ i don't care how u dress it up cover it anytime u out of line with the apostle doctorine out of line with christ!!!!straighting up yall becaue you are messing up and all will stand before the judgement seat so please don't perverse the gosel twist it up!!!!why because u messing yourself up

[dan79102]

Mormonism believes that God was a man that became or elevated to the level of God. Not same God. Olsteen is wishy washy and he knows what Mormon believes. Every and any christian bible college graduate knows the basics of mormonism.

[ez33watchman]

Just to let you know, Rick Warren did say things against Prop 8 and then on the show you had in your video denied it. He lied. Which is even worse than just avoiding it. You can just look up Rick Warren exposed here on Youtube and find it. Great video. Thanks!

[Sk8gangsta1]

twisting other peoples words jesus is the only way

[Vivadi3go002]

Whoever thus not belive in Jesus is condemnd.. Read Mark 16:16

[giantslayer007]

SHAME ON JOEL OSTEEN, TD JAKES AND RICK WARREN! They should know that the bible states that Jesus is the only name under Heaven whereby men can be saved. There will be many followers of these people in Hell looking for these guys who preach a gospel not of God, but of themselves, wanting to know why they had been lied to. Rick Warren has obviously not read the bible concerning why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. Homosexuality is a sin, PERIOD.

[joshnov17]

The point I'm trying to make is that, even the person who made this video is not assured their place in Heaven. I have to say that we are not one to judge. Just before Jesus speaks of those saying to him "Lord, Lord" he says this:

Do not judge, so that you may not be judged. For with the judgement you make you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck in your neighbor's eye, but do not notice the log in your own eye?"-Matthew 7: 1-3.

[Shadowlooker12]

@joshnov17 Um, I don't think you fully get that, 1-if the person who made this vid IS Christian, a true Christian, he/she has a right to expose the wrong doings of others especially those that mislead people to by false doctrine and in fact are told to speak against it(That is not judging) that is exposing. 2-The speck in your eye statement is made for those who they themselves have a sin (Your a thief) and you tell another thief not to steal in example.

[Shadowlooker12]

@joshnov17 3-Jesus tells people not to JUDGE, he does not say not to speak on wrong doings, and help people gain an understanding of what's going on. People always try to skate around being "The nice guy" thinking "If I say somethign about someoens wrong doings I'm being judgmental" No, especially for a Christian this is not so. Every True Christian is assured their place in heaven so long as they are obedient till the end. Scripture is authority, if you see something against it, what to do?

[Shadowlooker12]

@joshnov17 You measure by scripture and what God says to do, if someone is doing something against what God wishes, of course you can state it, that is not judging, GOD judges not man, Christians show this. And then I ask you, what is judging? If a sinner sees a sinner and tells hm you will go to hell, and so shall I if we do not change" is that judging? or is that truth by the sinners understanding of sin? if your a sinner, you will be judged according to sin, that is factual.

[Shadowlooker12]

@joshnov17 I'd say, don't be hypocritical, and don't attack people on their faults and sin as if you don't have any or haven't had any. 

[Shadowlooker12]

@joshnov17 As far as T.D Jakes, he's not using the bible, because if he was, he would have said "No Muslims do not have a place in heaven if they are not worshiping the true God and also except Jesus Christ as savior" that also is not judging, that is what the bible says. Salvation is for anyone, from anywhere, but you must be following Gods command, and come to CHRIST. This I can't judge "heart" business is nonsense, and is dodgy because it does not go according to the bible.

[Shadowlooker12]

@joshnov17 Joel Olsteen was asked "What about Atheist" he says no uh I'll let God be the judge of who go's to hell because I can't judge somebodies heart, WELL, for one, Atheist don't even believe in the bile nor God in the context of it, so that answers itself how they will be judged, secondly "Your heart" is not how you get to heaven in the context he's using it. A good person who is not saved is still not saved s again it shows how they will be judged. And also if you read the bible.

[Shadowlooker12]

@joshnov17 There was a man named Cornelius who was a Gentile who was NOT, saved yet but he was explained to be a good man, who gave to the poor and helped others as well as feared God, but he was not yet saved. So what happened?God sent a messenger to him to show him how to GET SAVED, and follow him correctly because his deeds pleased God.So again this "heart" business is false, a man that does good may do some good things but that is not the forefront of salvation, it's by faith.Good is nature.

[Shadowlooker12]

@joshnov17 People like T.D Jakes and Joel Olsteen are playing the "Good guy" role and trying to not make their public appearance be tainted because they have an appeal to many people and do not want to seem judgmental, to me they care more about how they appeal to others than how they look to God which is NOT the way to be and the bible clearly points out who will and who will not receive the kingdom of heaven. Olsteen also keeps saying "MY WAY MY WAY" it's HIS way indeed, mans way.

[Shadowlooker12]

@joshnov17 Because Gods way says, if your an Atheist will not receive the kingdom of heave, how can they? they don't even beleive int he way to get there. Also he was asked "If someone does not agree with your way they are wrong" that is in the context of "If someone does not following God as God tells them to can they be saved?" Olsteen replies "I don't know if I look at it like that" that means he does not agree with Gods way which is the only way. This is why he won't say what the bible says.

[MrBiblicalscholar]

As for Paul Washer? I would listen to Paul Washer with great caution.

[MrBiblicalscholar]

when he didn't care, provided that at the end of the day you did what was right by your neighbour. Go and read your bible again, and I'm sure you will find that what you believed was a pointless excercise because it does nothing for the betterment of humanity. Just for the record, don't confuse works with good works. Good works (As seen in James) are of God, works are of man (Eph).

[MrBiblicalscholar]

believed, but what one did for the betterment of humanity. Christianity as you know it does not see that. Let me illutrate it this way. If a Muslim gave up his life to save ten people from a burning building, is he a Christian or a Muslim? Answer. He is both. If a Christian does the same, is he a Christian? Answer. Yes. If a Muslim kills ten people, is he a Muslim? If a Christian does the same, is he a Christian? You see you putting Jesus down to someone who told people what to believe..

[nesianstylz85]

False prophets

[SpcMedia21]

i dont know, i dont know, i dont knw

[kingdomanointed]

These people make me want to throw up! So weak! So lukewarm! No power! No conviction! And they will NOT stand firm (in love) on the Word that they stand before MILLIONS and teach! They dance around an issue instead of saying what the Father says. I wish they would go somewhere and sit down and shut up b/c they are doing God a great disservice as well as those who listen to them. What a shame!

[polishdread]

Homosexual relations are looked upon as abominations to God, just like pedophilia and incest.

[MadeToBeUnique]

Wow - well put together (using the concert and pastors and information), thank you for sharing! added this to my favorites and will be sharing it with others!

[secondbible]

the only way to heaven is in a rolce royce with a 16000 dollar dog on the backseat.

[Lazarusrizing]

Thank you for this video. Really great compilation of stuff- I wish there was more about Jakes' views though.

[paulbortolazzo]

TD Jake's wont commit who is going to heaven and who is going to hell? This type of evil compromise is setting up millions of Christians to be swept away by the Beasts evil world agenda.

[Mamaluvsmambo]

Joel Osteen is a false teacher, And does not understand the Gospel of Jesus.

Rick Warren is not a brother in Jesus Christ

[DistortedAudio]

What is the name of that documentary that starts this video off?

[natsas74]

It's just like how the priest used to enter into the Holy of Holies once a year to sprinkle blood onto the mercy seat...Jesus' blood was sprinkled onto the mercy seat in heaven...for us..he was the ultimate sacrifice...so it is done! reconciliation with God for us...for those who believe! Thank you Jesus!!

[natsas74]

It's the blood of Jesus Christ that allows us to go to heaven...NOTHING ELSE! He was the ultimate sacrifice...God is so Holy that we need to be covered in the blood of Christ to enter into His presence...(I don't know why God wants this...He just does!) so whomever is covered by the blood of Christ (by believing that he died and rose again) will enter into heaven...simple as that.

[joecarter2727]

bunch of politically correct fools

[stephjh2006]

This video is a disgrace. Some parts are fair, but mostly not. Let me ask what mst you believe to be saved? "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved"

Hillsong believe Jesus is Lord and even n the song in the video were singing of his reserection. Do we believe now that if you attend a catholic church you lose your salvation? What else are you wanting to add to the requirements?

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 The demons believe in Jesus Christ and that he rose from the dead

[stephjh2006]

@corneloup81 were not talking about demons though are we. If a man or woman confesses by mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in their heart that God raised Him from the dead are they saved?

The biggest problem with these videos is that the people who make them are only out to point out where problems are in their brothers in Christ and they then cry "they are going to hell!!!" if that is the extent of their relationship with Christ then that is sad.

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 The context of your passage is simply this it was around the great presecution in Rome and Paul was encouraging the saints if they believe and confess with their mouth they would be saved. You cannot cherry pick a passage and hold it up on its own, what about the passages regarding faith without works is dead, or repent and believe, or picking up your cross or dying with Christ?

[stephjh2006]

@corneloup81 So what makes a Christian? Someone who believes Jesus Christ is Lord, confesses and repents of their sins and places their trust in Christ for their life and salvation with a faith showen true by serving Christ. Or as these people who make this video seem to believe that as long as you fit their theology you are a Christian. The creator of this video does not represent Christ and is simply looking to hate and persecute, very sad.

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 Believe means to entrust you life to Christ, that means entrust your life to Christ' Word the bible. T D Jakes does not do this, he tries and adds his own ideas into what the bible says, such as their is one God that manifests himself in different ways, like Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Furthermore he does not ebtrust his life to Christ when he says there are many ways to heaven, when the bible says otherwise. So in essence td jakes does not believe

[stephjh2006]

@corneloup81 Well I'm glad we are agred on how one is saved. However do you know Mr Jakes? Or how about the Hillsong people? Do you speculate on what you see through media? They do the same thing with everyone I have seen hundreds of pastors and preachers on this platform being dammed you look at all their videos and they almost 100% are negative Christian bashing narrowminded and pharisaic (spelling?) "a resounding gong..."

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 Yes I do know many who go to Hillsong and support Hillsong and they are as far away from God as the drug pusher. They love their sin and relish it, there is no repentance (a change of mind, a turning away from sin) There is no knowledge of the bible whats so ever, they know nothing of dying to self, buffeting their body into submission so they may win the race.

[stephjh2006]

With regards to Hillsong, are you from Sydney? If yes you might know the people, if you aren't where did you meet them all? Did you get the chance to talk with them about their faith? I take it you believe that only ONE denomination is saved? You actually believe that the church is unified as after all the church is only the ****???? denomination all the rest are going to hell!!!! There are no believers in the pentecostal movement ot baptist or anglican etc etc, all unrepentent sinners!!

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 The majority of people I have spoken to in these types of congregations are lost yes. However there are still some that are saved and thats why we go and witness to them in their congregations and blow the trumpet of false teachers and prophets and many leave. I am of no denomination but Christ's, if one believes in all this slain in the spirit easter religion stuff they are lost, if one believes in a false trinity they are lost, if one believes they are little gods they are lost

[stephjh2006]

@corneloup81 Don't know anything about Mr Jakes but I do know more about Hillsong, Catholisism, and a veriety of other denomintations. Issue 1 - When a man or woman says somthing in the media it is jumped on. I have seen 1 guy in perticular who was being harrased on a secular TV show from US on the way to Heaven. He answered very gingerly that it was not for him to say.

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 The catholics believe in pergatory, which is another Gospel. In essence if you believe you have to pay some of your sins in pergatory then Christ did not pay the full price on that day at Calvary. Catholicism is another Gospel, it was also seen as the great harlot in revelations right through the centuries till people decided they did not need to read the bible anymore just remember quaint little cliches

[stephjh2006]

@corneloup81 Your lumping them all together, do all Baptists carry signs saying "God hates Fags!" so by this way of thinking then all Baptists are unforgiving and have hatred for all siners and all baptists are hypocrits. i suppose all pentecostals fall on the ground and roar like lions every last one of them. It's not the denomination or even the church you attend that makes you Christian it's your relationship with Christ. Your denomintation does not save you

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 God hates all sin and sinners, psalms 5:5. Again why would you want to sit under a false teacher knowingly? Why be part of a heretical group knowingly?

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 Let me put it nice and clear for you. If you dont believe in pergatory, nor the infallability of the pope, nor praying to mary and saints, nor transubstanciation then you are not a catholic. Its that simple

[stephjh2006]

@corneloup81 this is true, but that is where some Catholics find themselves, there were many during the reformation who being Catholic did not want to leave the C church they wanted to see IT changed untill they were forced out. You see some stay in these situations to create change. I know people in churches that they love the people and ARE making changes (not catholic, other)

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 Why would you want to change the Great Harlot of revelations? there is plenty of scripture to say do not even eat with false brethren

[stephjh2006]

Because many of the people who started the reftormation were Catholic preasts, a lot of their co-workers in the C church were good and honest men believing by serving the Church they were serving God. There was no "other church" for a long while to save the church was to change the existing church even if it was already dead. God obviously had other plans for these men as we see now but at that point they wanted to save others within the C church I suppose

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 We are not in the catholic reforamtion era, there are biblical churches now, there is no excuse to stay in an apostate church knowingly

[stephjh2006]

True, but there are still people who want to change a church, and there are many who have succeded. But take the maker of the above video I don't think they represent Christ and very few Christians would consider a church that attacks other Christians 24/7 as a good church to be part of. It's like the "God hates Fags" church. They may say they represent God, I don't doubt their sincerity but their aproach is sick. Perhaps we should record every preachers sermons and attack every wrong word

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 I would not consider hillsong or Osteen and TD Jakes a church. God does hate fags as he hates all sinners. Yes we should the bible says there is great condemnation for every idle word and false teaching so it is good to keep the teachers inline biblically. Hillsong, TD Jakes, J Osteen are not churches and are not christians

[stephjh2006]

Don't know TD or Osteen, do know Hillsong. Hillsong are Christian I have no clue why you don't think they are? Brian Houstan I am not a fan of at all, but I know others in his congregation and across the world that are affiliated with Hillsong and they know the word and use it like a 2 edged sword, they preach the exact same gospel you do they disciple people to spread the gospel and do HUGE amounts of work for the Glory of God. Again what you see in the media and on these videos is scewed

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 Darlene said on world youth day they have the same gospel as the pope and we have already diserned it is false. If you removed the lights and bands no one would go to hillsong, this is why they are not there for God but their entertainment. Hillsong allow all manner of heretics to teach in their church such as J Prince who preaches another Gospel and Osteen who says the mormons have the same Jesus etc etc the list goes on and on, if you cannot see it then you are willingly ignorant

[stephjh2006]

@corneloup81 Don't know her, all I know is that they preach the Gospel to sinners. What gospel does J prince teach?

I think you are holding J Osten to a few words that he clearly didn't have a clue about the subject, a tad unfair. This is my issue with this rubbish. You hold each man to such a high standered, there are so many who scoff at others and are simply hypocrits. They will sit at home indulging in sin each day and point at others who are no able to hide and snear

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 False gospel thats the one they preach the soft lollypop gospel come as you are, no mention of sin all grace lollypop gospel, no weeping over sin no contrition, no mourining over sin, no understanding of sin. J Osteen prides himsef in his book to not mention sin, he also speaks of your best life now gospel call, try that on the chinese, your best life now as their wifes are being raped and children shot for converting. Im sorry does not take a genius to know the false gospel

[stephjh2006]

So because Osteen doesn't mention sin then Hillsong dosen't either???? I don't see the conection! Hillsong do teach about sin infact members of their congregation left because it was too legalistic. As I was saying most of what is taught in hillsong is in small groups and people are taught by the other pastors. What you see of B Houston is his series for TV etc. He preaches on topics not covered every day, I know because I know people connected to other hillsong churches, they know repentance

[stephjh2006]

Everyone focuses in on the Hillsong brand and thinks that is all Hillsong is about, they attack them with gosip and here say. Not a fan of B Houst, he was attacked for preaching the prosperity gospel, but credit to him he repented of it and no longer preaches it, he may still preach that we should give to the house of God but not for financial gain.

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 Thats my point B housten has no biblical understanding the house of God is not the Church. Not 4 finnacial gain you are kidding me U need to look more. They preach another gospel, one without true repentance they pronounce men saved in 2 minutes like a pope, they dont know what repentance means nor holiness nor anything else from the bible, they preach little cliches not found in the bible. Hillsong are Heretical and damning more to hell then every bar, brothel and drug dealer

[stephjh2006]

B houstan makes his money from books, tapes, and videos. Doesn't take a sallery. They teach that if you believe in your heart that Christ died for your sins and accept Christ as Lord of your life you are saved, they use, as many do, the services to do this. however it is after this that makes the real difference, Hillsong is not taught from the front as with most AOG's it's the people in the background that teach in small groups, here is where they are discipled. they do teach repentance

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 Why is it at the hillsong conferance, when it ended thousands went to Kings Cross to the Club district and partied, becasue they are unrepentant sinners. When Paul was faced with this problem in corinthinas he didnt bring in grace teachers, he told them to test to see if they really were in the faith. Not once has a sermon like that been preached at hillsong, infact when we mention it all the sleeping around, divorce, drugs, alchol, they say dont judge.

[stephjh2006]

Were you there? Or is this gosip again? Are you talking about the Conference in UK? We were there, a group of 12 of us went last year, it was so awsome. We heard Nicky Gumble talking about unity and sharing great testimonies of lives transformed by christ, after the services we wen't back to the hotel and hung talking of how we can bless the other churches in our area, how we counld all work together.  We prayed together, we did not party??

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 I was there preaching out the front and also on on the trains then preached to the prostitutes, clubbers and Hillsong people the Gospel because they had not heard it yet, even though they had sat in Hillsong for 10 years. Some come crying and say they have never heard that before and have been in Hillsong for 10 years

[stephjh2006]

One guy was attacking Hillsong on YT for their money, I took him to task as I know that here in the UK Hillsong put on amazing conferences for the local church at a HUGE loss financially, not all the speakers were good but some are awsome, such as Nicky Gumble. I also learned that the Sydney church runs at a loss. So why all the fuss?? Merchandising. B Houst doesn't take a wage, he earns from his books and tapes, fair enough.

[stephjh2006]

I'm playing with you a bit here. If I meet a Catholic and I get the chance to share with them I usually suppose they are not saved, however I was challenged once when I met one who was, she didn't know there was anything for her outside the C church because she was told a load of lies about Christians so she stayed in the C until she met our church through a course in her Uni.

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 I would be interested if she thought the catholics were lying to her also, given she didnt believe anything they taught.

[stephjh2006]

@corneloup81 well this is the thing with life and people, in the moment many people can't see black and white. She grew up with the same priest, a good priest who meant well. I suppose it is like in our families, I can see where my parents or brother can be wrong on some issues (day to day things) but that doesn't mean I stop loving them, it was the same for her and her C church family. She didn't see them as lying just miss guided or incorrect.

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 He who does not put God first and compared to the love for God does not hate his mother and father is not worthy of Christ. If she did not leave knowing they were really wrong and preaching another gospel then she did not love Christ, thats what the bible says anyway. The bible is black and white those who blurr the lines have their own preconcieved ideas

[stephjh2006]

@corneloup81 well I suppose she did have pre conceived ideas of other churches, she didn't have it all together but to say because she didn't leave immediately she wasn't saved is way off the mark. When Paul wrote to the churches did he re-save them every time he had to correct their doctrine? No. Just like this girl her faith was in Christ for the redemption of her life through the blood of Christ and she already had a life with Christ before we met her, we were part of her continued journey

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 If ones sits under a false Gospel for the sake of friends and other perks there is something seriously wrong with their desire for Christ

[stephjh2006]

@corneloup81 Are you not reading? It was all part of a long process she found her home and has since lead others from her old church to Christ. We have a large number of ex-catholics in our church. If anyone thinks they have it sorted from day 1,saved and then POOF!! they are like Christ then I think they are duleded (it can happen, with God anything is possible) God, it seems, takes people on a journey an awsome but difficult journey

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 Are you not reading if one sits in a congregation knowing it is a false gospel being preached there is something wrong, the bible says to run from false teaching not sit and listen to it. If she did not know it was false teaching then she was not reading her bible I found out by reading the bible most of the congregations around me preached another Gospel, I ran....

[stephjh2006]

You just proved my point. Question. Was it once you had finished reading the Bible you were saved or was it when you ran from the church you were saved? Or like the girl I spoke of did you get saved, grow in your faith, come to realise you were not in the right place, then left? Was it, just like the girl I spoke of, a process for you? Or did you get saved then BAM!! 1 second latter you were running? Does God not take people through life teaching them as they go?

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 It was about one week when I lined the gospel being preached at the congregation to the book of Romans and then left. You said she knew they had a false Gospel and sat under it. When one is saved they will devour the Word of God like 1-2 books each day, their life is consumed with the Word of God, prayer, worship and an active pursuance of holiness if this is not the case then you have a false convert

[stephjh2006]

1 whole week!!!! no way man that is way too long. Are you saying it takes God a full week for His spirit to show you that it was wrong!! Dude it isn't 1-2 books a day the requirement is actually MINIMUM 3 books a day. You also have to pray no less than 6 times a day, but you might have that down I don't want to judge harshly, how you getting on with being Holy?? You MUST have that sorted by day 3 or it's too little too late. Should I warn the world you might be a false convert?

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 It took the week to line it up to the bible and see if it was false, the moment I seen it was false I was gone, for the bible says to run from false teaching

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 It took the week to line it up to the bible and see if it was false, the moment I seen it was false I was gone, for the bible says to run from false teaching. See you mock the work of the Holy Spirit in a truely converted life, it was not hard I trwuely wanted to know what God said because I was actually changed from a creature that hated God to a creature that desired God with everything I had. This is called born again

[stephjh2006]

I'm sorry I don't mean to harrass you, but honestly read your Bible and pray asking God if your earning the right to be a Christian. I in the other hand trust only in Christ for my salvation, my righteousness is like filthy rags. You know I can honestly say I try, but I found surrendering to God easyer for Him to change me cause I couldn't do it on my own. I can honestly say I have let Him down so many times but He has never let me down, when I fall He catches when I rise up he humbles me

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 There you go little cliches again, faith without works is dead in other words if you say you have faith good on you but even the demons have faith. I bet you hav not even read the bible maybe a few bits here and there, your like the child who has seen the trailer of a movie and telling someone they are wrong about the movie to the person who has actually watched the entire movie. Read the entire bible over then next month then come back, you truely show your ignorance

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 You said "pray asking God if your earning the right to be a Christian"

See this is what I mean you are lost in the false gospel and teaching, someone talks about holiness and a true desire for God and its foreign to you, you have no concept of it. You fail to understand dying to self and loosing you life, I bet you spend more time watching tv then reading the bible, this shows no desire for God

[stephjh2006]

It was sarcasim, do you think it is our actions ONLY that God looks at, going back to the start the point is that Gosip and lying are sins also. Why gossip and lie about people you don't know? Because they are on TV or You Tube you can gossip about them and spread lies? You know the Pharisees were great at what you do. Do I not read my Bible? I have read it numerous times thanks.

[stephjh2006]

@corneloup81 I am a repentant sole who serves God, yet that in your eyes makes me lost? I have surrenderd my life to Christ yet that aint enough for you I must be reading no less than 2 books of the Bible a day to be a true Christian. I desciple many others to salvation and repentence yet I am failing them because what I should be doing is ensuring they work for their salvation first. Faith without works is dead but works without faith is insulting.

[stephjh2006]

@corneloup81 So I am lost?

I have placed my faith in Christ who died for my sins, I have placed my faith in Him who is the only way to the Father, only by His blood could I be made clean and righteous. It was whilst we were all sinners that Christ died. I believe that it requires a genuine repentence of sin to be saved you must change your attitude to sin as sin is an offence to God and why would we seek to sin if we have died to sin and now live in Christ?

If this means I am lost, Iam.

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 If you spend more time reveling in the things of this world, like tv, movies, games, shopping and socializing then you do praying, reading the bible and witnessing, then you are most likely lost, as the great majority of these false congregations are.

[stephjh2006]

@corneloup81 I don't drink, I don't go to parties (except nice parties with people from church like last week we had a BQ and socialised, we also prayed so it's ok) don't enjoy shopping, there is nothing wrong with a bit of TV but depends what you watch. I do read my Bible daily, I pray throught the day as I enjoy even as I work but to be honest it is not about tipping the scale, it is not a chore but a pleasure. Just like I enjoy company with my wife I love to be in the company of my Saviour

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 Its not about tipping the scale its about the marks of a true Christian, if you are spending more time in the things of the world it means you have never really known Christ or understood the Gospel

[stephjh2006]

Exactly you can never tip the scale. That is what all other faiths are trying to do. Even our best deads are not good enough. what you are saying is if these other things replace the place God should have then they are your god. it is another form of idolitry, but we need to be careful because so can our works. A good friend who is a missionary was going about serving the Lord, but he found that his ministry became his God as he substituted work for his intimacy with God

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 You are just not getting it are you, its not to earn salvation but it is a result of salvation if the result is not there then salvation has not occured. The result of salvation is a desire to read Gods Word, pray and witness. If the result of your salvation is tv, movies spending more time in the world, there was no salvation

[stephjh2006]

not talking about earning salvation above, I clearly said you CAN'T tip the scale with works.Of course if you are truly saved your motives and your desires change, you are born again you are a new creation as you just said. AOG people, that i know, are saved, repentent, read God's word, pray, and witness daily. What possibly seperates you from them as is my point. They believe the same Gospel as you but you lumped them all together and said they are going to hell (effectively not directly)

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 If they preach the gospel that is preached from most AOG pulpits then they are not witnessing but damning souls to hell

[stephjh2006]

@corneloup81 With regard to other churches I don't think you can take such a broad stroke. In every church, even my old church which is more my preference as they are stronger in the word, there are those whose lives are still very much in line with the world. As I said earlyer with my football analygy sometimes in enough numbers a minority can seem like a majority. I prefer to treat people as indeviduals and not label them with what others are doing

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 I can if the gospel they preach and believe is false. They may use the same words but the meanings they have are tottaly different

[stephjh2006]

I am saying that you can't know what they believe from You Tube clips and TV shows. Like saying all AOG members are going to hell as they al go to strip clubs, party and don't read their Bibles. It's nonsence, I know hundreds of dedicated Godly men and Women who are part of various denominations. Here in Scotland AOG members are more dedicated to prayer than any one else. In the Brethern (Evangelical) there are some of the most learned people with the Bible, Baptists who work with the poor

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 We can know what Hillsong, TD Jakes believes and J Osteen by the books they write and what they preach, its another gospel and he who preaches another gospel is void of the truth and knows NOTHING. You keep making a strawman argument that I am not arguing and trying to defeat it. I am saying the majority at Hillsong and these AOG churches do not know God, I have spent time with them, I had family on their executive boards. I said Ive seen many of them drinkin, clubbing etc

[stephjh2006]

I'm sure you know this, I don't think you will be relying on your denomination to save you. When you stand before Christ you won't say "I'm a baptist, that is why I am saved" or a pentecostal or a Catholic. When you stand before Christ you will know that it is HE who saved you. What if tommorow your pator or church leader was found to be a pedophile? Does that cancel YOUR salvation? What if he started teaching the prosperity gospel would you need to go some where else to be re-saved? No

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 We are saved by grace through faith, not of ourselves, however that faith produces works naturally and to stay in a denomination or congregation that preachers a false gospel knowingly, God will not be pleased with that, God hates false doctrine and if we knowingly sit under it, that is a dangerous place to be

[stephjh2006]

"We are saved by grace through faith, not of ourselves, however that faith produces works naturally"

So a church that believes teaches and practices this is a true church? So why then attack the churches that do preach this??????

Has the church you attend ever let it self or God down? Just once? Have you been lucky not to be in the media for all to see it?

I can tell you know the Gospel just feel for you having a heart of stone

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 Its not just that its also the doctrine, if one believes God to be allah then no. Likewise with Hillsong they have fashoned themselves a god in their own image. TD Jakes does not believe in the Triune one God, thus he and his followers that believe this are lost. There is a whole range of things for me to spell them out here is impossible but read your bible and find out. Yes my faith is built on the rock/stone

[stephjh2006]

@corneloup81 Of course you would not want to remain under a leadership that you could not support or that doesn't represent Christ, but lets say you left but a good friend of yours in that church remained, a good friend who like you was saved, his faith remained the same and what he believed had not changed but chose not to give up on the church does that mean he lost his salvation? It's not your church that saves you it is your relationship with Christ, he must be Lord

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 All true believers will leave babylon or false congregations, if not then there is some serious problem. Either he looks up to man and buildings or does not know what true biblical teaching is, cannot disern the false teaching because he does not know the Word of God. Why would you want to sit under a false teacher or prophet it baffles me?

[stephjh2006]

Catholisism is a very large denomintaion, we have many ex catholics who are now in our church, saved and in a relationship with Christ. But even amoungst the many there are a few who are saved. "The catholics believe in pergatory" all of them? No. There are some Catholics who believe that Christ died for their sins so they could be forgiven, there are those who know they are sinners saved by grace and their lives live as an example of that faith

[stephjh2006]

Becasue the preacher did not say right away "Jesus is the only way" he is said to not believe Jesus is the only way, is going to hell, is a false prophet deceiving the world and EVERYONE who attends his church is also going to hell. Is that the only explenation? Is it possible that he was trying to avoid bringing a lot of attention on himself from his nation? Or at worst he was simply a coward as I looked at his website and he states he believes only in Christ.

[corneloup81]

@stephjh2006 If he denied Christ, the Christ will deny him

[stephjh2006]

@corneloup81 Listen, I am sorry I threw some shallow remarks back to you which to be honest I don't mean. I just don't like Christian bashing on those in the public view, some of these churches personally I would not attend but I don't just label them as lost because I don't know them and I hate people relying on Gossip and spreading lies to attack these people. Especially when in some cases there are some great men and women of God being lumped into the same catagory by association

[4freespeech]

This poor soul Joel Osteen is a tragedy! Perfect example of "shoemaker's shoes". His old Daddy John WAS a man of God who preached TRUTH and told it like it was. But old John was so busy he didn't get to TRAIN HIS SON properly in Scriptural Truth. Either that or Joel has become so full of himself and his popularity he's willing to accept this "anything goes, everybody's saved" false Gospel of hell. Jesus' coming is AT THE DOORS. The spirit of antichrist is in the earth- REPENT!

[DJAnihilist]

Joel's father was also a Word of Faith teacher. He was not regenerate, just like his son. They are both lost.

Pray for their salvation.

[WinnieAmos05]

Well the dude said he didnt do research which means he needs to be quiet as you have in the video, but MY Goodness.. what is going on in this world-- folk believing all types of stuff, and I watch these folks.. Jesus Christ is the only way yall- even the pastors trippin- his sermons are good though

[Caleb000007]

Hey man thanks for the comment. I used to watch these guys stuff too. Please look into this more because there sermons are false. Scripture does not teach us that we will live lives of pleasure in this world. Please I beg you to go to some churches who disagree with these guys and at least listen to why they disagree. Presbyrian churches would be a start and some reformed baptist teachers. Check out a guy calle Paul Washer. Please listen and look into it.

Thanks.

[WinnieAmos05]

I'm starting to discern that they don't preach the bible. I'm not saying we don't need examples to apply scripture to our lives, but these guys sermons are more emotional than anything. Thanks for the recommendation, I will look into Paul Washer & see what he is abt. you should look up this guy called g. craige lewis right here on youtube and go thru his videos- very informative & eye opening. Stay Blessed

[stephjh2006]

So you don't believe that people who confess Jesu is Lord and believe in their heart that God raised them from the dead are Christians. They must also be perfect, teach perfect doctrine as heaven forbid a bad preacher to enter heaven. Do you know the Lord searches your heart? What will he find? I am always suspect of people attacking others with out of context accusations. Perhaps brother edify your family in Christ and not destroy. "..but have not love, I am only a resounding gong..."

[MrBiblicalscholar]

@Caleb000007 Can I challenge you sir? Go and read the parable of the Good Samaritan, if you will. What do you see? Samaritans were of mixed religion, and Jesus uses three other characters, all deeply spiritual. Jesus does not condeme priests, Levites, or Jews, but who for the purposes of this parable does he use as the one to demonstrate what became his new commandment? Using common Christain belief, Jesus was a heretic himself. You fail to see that Jesus was not about promoting what one...

[DJTonyAllen]

let them be ACCURSED

[rkwright4Utube]

This video shows "signs of The End Times".

Let's continue to be prayerful.