1. Based on our scientific understanding of singularities and logic itself , Do you accept that the big bang singularity could not of caused itself to expand?
@BreakoutLuceal Your query into whether I know what happened to start the Big Bang can be answered thusly: I do not know what happened to cause the Big Bang. That just proves that I do not know what happened to cause the Big Bang, nothing more.
The Space-Time Theorem of General Relativity clearly shows that space, time, and matter all had a concrete beginning at the Big bang in the form of a singularity, which is considered to be all of the universe. According to the available evidence today, could the cause have been a natural cause that’s made up of our visible universe?
The Space-Time Theorem of General Relativity clearly shows that space, time, and matter all had a concrete beginning at the Big bang in the form of a singularity, which is considered to be all of the universe. According to the available evidence today, could the cause have been a natural cause that’s made up of our visible universe?
@TheJanDahl Luckily there ARE Americans who share your impatience with Creationists (I think impatience is a more accurate word than anger), just as we become impatient with a persistently irrational child (as you said). And Creationists ARE childish in many respects. But remember, America was first settled by groups seeking their own brand of religious expression (Pilgrims, Quakers, etc.). Should we be surprised that their descendants incubated and spread that fervor disproportionately?
@IRoboSapien The problem with the impatience is that to "convert" them, it is often necessary to take the time to talk to them at eye height, because if we just dismiss them they will, in turn, dismiss us in the same fashion.
@TheJanDahl oh rly? Am I not apart of the youtube audience. Did you not upload it to youtube. Unless someone else uploaded the video to youtube from a different site and it was not intended for people on this site then I am sorry for watching it. Though the video may not have been generally directed to me towards me if you wanted it to be private then you should have made it between you two. But you didn't, I am also allowed my own comments and thoughts so I gave them. You were hard to hear
Whenever you see a creatioinist talk (anyone who is truely religious) you get angry. People who believe in religions get angry with eachother because they don't agree and suprise suprise, you're no different. As a matter of fact, you admit the subject makes you soo emotional that you cannot manage discussing it. Thats considering that you believe in the fairytale that self replicating life began to exist all by itself. Its all fairytales and you loath those who don't subscribe to yours.
@Vlaxitov I also get angry when my daughter does something she knows she's not allowed to. Is that the same, then?
Don't ever put words in my mouth again, and please give the semblance of having tried to understand what I believe in before trying to address my beliefs.
@TheJanDahl Or else what dude? These people aren't your minor children. Whatever it is, they're allowed wether you like it or not. If I am soo off on "what you believe" then how come I struck a nerve enough for you to type back in some meaningless threatening demand over the internet? Are you looking to entertain me? I didn't put words in your mouth anyway. I made an observation and only repeated your very own words. Do you think life began to exist on its own, yes or no?
@Vlaxitov I don't believe in science. I believe in Our Lord because of the wonderful miracles, like when they tried to arrest him in the Garden, and Peter cut the ear from a soldier. Jesus turned to the soldier and said, 'Do you need a bandage for that'?, and the soldier answered, 'No thanks, I've got one 'ear'.
Can you give me proof that the Creator does not exist?
For you to do this, you would have to know all there is to know, and you must also have an understanding of the whole cosmos, from one end to the other.
Then and only then you could have a legitimate claim to say "there is no Creator and creation is wrong" Is it possible that a Creator exists some place in the depths of space? Your answer please.
The burden of proof is on you to prove there is a Creator for one simple reason: the null hypothesis. The null hypothesis is to assume that something does not exist until there is sufficient evidence to accept that it does. This assumption is very necessary because without it, we would have to accept the existence of each and every magical being ever imagined.
Nobody can prove that leprechauns do not exist. Is that sufficient reason for you to believe that they do?
Lawrence Krauss would be a better person to ask that question. There are videos of his lectures on youtube.
A gap in my knowledge is not evidence for your deity. "I don't know" does not mean "Ergo, a Magic Man did it."
Goddidit doesn't even answer your question. It can be applied to contradictory outcomes because provides zero explanatory content. God in this context is a meaningless word. Applying a veneer of unnecessary magical agency to your question doesn't answer it.
@AronRaHAHAHA Of course it's possible! But it's also possible that a magic ball of spinach is the creator and has a fondness for monkeys. Unfortunately there's no scientific evidence to support my crazy theory, just as there's no scientific evidence to support the "Creator". And thank god for that, because spinach is gross.
Just because there's a possibility is not enough, you have to observe what's happening and make the most likely theory. Then you have to prove it. No make-believe!
At least us creationist don't believe in something out of nothing...
Think on it guys, if matter is here then sometime in it's past it had to be made, there's your problem, cos science tells us that matter can not be created, but some how as if by magic is just appeared.
@AronRaHAHAHA actually, you do believe that something was created out of nothing. That's exactly what the bible teaches. There was nothing, God spoke (incantation anyone.... ABRAKADABRA) and the heavens and the earth were created. Something from nothing. Cosmologists will tell you, they don't know what existed before the singalrity. But it certainly wasn't "nothing". Creationists are the ones that believe in magic. What else can you call an invisible god creating everything ..from nothing?!?
Cosmology only knows a millisecond after the so called BB, it can tell us nothing of the origin of matter itself, you are the one's who must believe we got all this from nothing, as in the scientific world you have not any answer, matter can come into existence by one way only, it was made by God with His awesome power, with energy we then can make matter, you won't find another answer, because there isn't one..;-)
There is a reason why we can not see God, it's because we are in God's creation, all around is God.
It's like the heart saying "I don't believe there's a body" this is because the heart can not see the body, although it's part of it, we also are part of God's creation..
U said; "There is a reason why we can not see God"
Yeah....he doesn't exist! It's the same reason why god doesn't answer prayer (and I can prove it). It's 4 the same reason he hasn't made an appearance in 2K years!
The heart saying, "I don't believe here's a body?"
Your analogy fails miserably!! According to scripture, god had no problem appearing in front of men...hundreds at a times, in both the OT & NT!
Well then you'll be happy to take my prayer challenge!! We'll go to a children's hospital cancer ward (which is where I watched a 7 yr old little girl die an agonizing slow death from Bone Cancer). Then we'll choose 2 children with no chance of survival. U pray...I'll document it!
What do u say holy man? U willing to take my prayer challenge?
And nothing would make me happier than 4 prayer 2 work! But I know that no ghost is answering prayers. Nothing answers prayers!
@Cootabux: Why do you blame every bad thing on God, there is a reason why we have all kinds of diseases on the planet, it's called entropy, all things tend towards disorder, this includes our bodies, anyway, the place where that little girl has gone is a far better place than here, but I can not prove this to you, it's by faith we understand, and faith is not scientific.
I'm not that kind of a believer, I do not lay hands on people, it's not my calling..yet.
I saw another insane comment from you, and I should like to know how you can believe that a God can create things from nothing, even itself since you claim it exist.
@AronRaHAHAHA I'd love to see your sources for "science tells us". Most often, "scientists [speculate|postulate]"; you will very nearly never see "THIS IS HOW THINGS ARE" when it comes to science. Basically, this boils down to Foucaults critique of sooth sayers.
You are the fool who is making absurd claims! The burden of proof is on you, the claimant!
And you don't ask someone to prove a negative! If I told you that Smurfs exist, would you believe me? No? Then prove me wrong! You can't! No matter what you resort to, you cannot prove Smurfs don't exist....for the obvious reasons that it would be impossible!
Also, do yourself a favor, go read some good science books on Evolution and Cosmology! Then come back & make the same claims.
Evolution existed before man could form the thought in his under developed brain!! You should at least know that!
Unfortunately, you speak from ignorance. Btw, we are happy to meet our burden of proof when it comes to our claims that Evolution is a fact. It's you that make the absurd claims that a ghost in the sky waved his magic wand & created everything from nothing! And it's U who claims god answers prayer.
U certainly can't tell anyone how it happened, and to just conclude it had to have been created bcuz you can't conceive of it happening any other way, is ridiculous! Since matter is here now, it's just as logical to conclude that it's always existed in one form or another. But even if it had been created, it by no means tells us that a "ghost in a robe" did it!!
If that's all U can conjure up, go back to sleep!
And btw, U aren't worthy enough to wipe Aron's..........windshield!
@AronRaHAHAHA Invetibly you do! You believe that God came from nothing at an unkown time to create the universe for no particular reason. LOLZ Of course matter can not be created but as far back as we can go "star dust" has always has an existence. "Star dust" is what all matters and objects were formed from. Even WE are "star dust", we eat it, drink it, sleep on it, ect.
@greenblue49 You dumb shit, I just told all of you that we both conclude to the same point. Stardust and God basically are as far back as anyone can define how we've come to be..so either way we have no more proof from each other other than a few points. And like the saying God was eternal, well it works the same way for star dust.
@AronRaHAHAHA You believe in the creationism, can i ask, why did the designer give me one hole, to both eat and breath through? Thats a really bad design, engineers would be sacked for making such schoolboy errors... All knowing all powerful, please!!
@AronRaHAHAHA What if the point of time when the universe began is just that the beining. What if there is not ainfinite amount of time but only a point in time where it started. No scientest believes something out of nothing (Except for QP but that is a higher level then I care to explain)
Not really any trouble compared to the editing done in your videos. I was barely coherent! But, given that you take a lot of flak, I thought it'd be nice to have a positive response.
Come to think of it, I might make a habit of making positive video replies to other intelligent people on these here dump trucks.
1. Based on our scientific understanding of singularities and logic itself , Do you accept that the big bang singularity could not of caused itself to expand?
BreakoutLuceal 5 months ago
@BreakoutLuceal Your query into whether I know what happened to start the Big Bang can be answered thusly: I do not know what happened to cause the Big Bang. That just proves that I do not know what happened to cause the Big Bang, nothing more.
TheJanDahl 4 months ago
@TheJanDahl
The Space-Time Theorem of General Relativity clearly shows that space, time, and matter all had a concrete beginning at the Big bang in the form of a singularity, which is considered to be all of the universe. According to the available evidence today, could the cause have been a natural cause that’s made up of our visible universe?
BreakoutLuceal 4 months ago
@TheJanDahl
The Space-Time Theorem of General Relativity clearly shows that space, time, and matter all had a concrete beginning at the Big bang in the form of a singularity, which is considered to be all of the universe. According to the available evidence today, could the cause have been a natural cause that’s made up of our visible universe?
BreakoutLuceal 4 months ago
@TheJanDahl Luckily there ARE Americans who share your impatience with Creationists (I think impatience is a more accurate word than anger), just as we become impatient with a persistently irrational child (as you said). And Creationists ARE childish in many respects. But remember, America was first settled by groups seeking their own brand of religious expression (Pilgrims, Quakers, etc.). Should we be surprised that their descendants incubated and spread that fervor disproportionately?
IRoboSapien 8 months ago
@IRoboSapien The problem with the impatience is that to "convert" them, it is often necessary to take the time to talk to them at eye height, because if we just dismiss them they will, in turn, dismiss us in the same fashion.
TheJanDahl 7 months ago
Jandahl what country do you live in? Where ever you are you are so lucky.
Wordlaw12 9 months ago
@Wordlaw12 Scandinavia is generally like that. Winters are cold, but the people are pretty and atheistic :)
TheJanDahl 4 months ago
@TheJanDahl
Damn you're so luck. Everything you said beside the cold winters part sounds like my kinda place!!!
Wordlaw12 4 months ago
speak louder
zanark18 11 months ago
@zanark18 The message wasn't intended for you anyway.
TheJanDahl 4 months ago
@TheJanDahl oh rly? Am I not apart of the youtube audience. Did you not upload it to youtube. Unless someone else uploaded the video to youtube from a different site and it was not intended for people on this site then I am sorry for watching it. Though the video may not have been generally directed to me towards me if you wanted it to be private then you should have made it between you two. But you didn't, I am also allowed my own comments and thoughts so I gave them. You were hard to hear
zanark18 4 months ago
Whenever you see a creatioinist talk (anyone who is truely religious) you get angry. People who believe in religions get angry with eachother because they don't agree and suprise suprise, you're no different. As a matter of fact, you admit the subject makes you soo emotional that you cannot manage discussing it. Thats considering that you believe in the fairytale that self replicating life began to exist all by itself. Its all fairytales and you loath those who don't subscribe to yours.
Vlaxitov 1 year ago
@Vlaxitov I also get angry when my daughter does something she knows she's not allowed to. Is that the same, then?
Don't ever put words in my mouth again, and please give the semblance of having tried to understand what I believe in before trying to address my beliefs.
TheJanDahl 1 year ago
@TheJanDahl Or else what dude? These people aren't your minor children. Whatever it is, they're allowed wether you like it or not. If I am soo off on "what you believe" then how come I struck a nerve enough for you to type back in some meaningless threatening demand over the internet? Are you looking to entertain me? I didn't put words in your mouth anyway. I made an observation and only repeated your very own words. Do you think life began to exist on its own, yes or no?
Vlaxitov 1 year ago
@Vlaxitov I don't believe in science. I believe in Our Lord because of the wonderful miracles, like when they tried to arrest him in the Garden, and Peter cut the ear from a soldier. Jesus turned to the soldier and said, 'Do you need a bandage for that'?, and the soldier answered, 'No thanks, I've got one 'ear'.
gamesbok 9 months ago
You say that creation is illegitimate.
Can you give me proof that the Creator does not exist?
For you to do this, you would have to know all there is to know, and you must also have an understanding of the whole cosmos, from one end to the other.
Then and only then you could have a legitimate claim to say "there is no Creator and creation is wrong" Is it possible that a Creator exists some place in the depths of space? Your answer please.
AronRaHAHAHA 1 year ago
@AronRaHAHAHA
The burden of proof is on you to prove there is a Creator for one simple reason: the null hypothesis. The null hypothesis is to assume that something does not exist until there is sufficient evidence to accept that it does. This assumption is very necessary because without it, we would have to accept the existence of each and every magical being ever imagined.
Nobody can prove that leprechauns do not exist. Is that sufficient reason for you to believe that they do?
butchkitties 1 year ago 14
@butchkitties: Where did the matter come from to make your big bang theory?
You tell me that.
You need raw energy to make matter, God is raw energy, aha, we got the energy with God, without God, we ain't got a thing..
AronRaHAHAHA 1 year ago
@AronRaHAHAHA
Lawrence Krauss would be a better person to ask that question. There are videos of his lectures on youtube.
A gap in my knowledge is not evidence for your deity. "I don't know" does not mean "Ergo, a Magic Man did it."
Goddidit doesn't even answer your question. It can be applied to contradictory outcomes because provides zero explanatory content. God in this context is a meaningless word. Applying a veneer of unnecessary magical agency to your question doesn't answer it.
butchkitties 1 year ago 4
@butchkitties Goddidit worked for Battlestar Galacta, ergo God exists. Q.E. fucking D.
TheJanDahl 1 year ago
@AronRaHAHAHA Can you give me proof that Wotan and Thor do not exist?
TheJanDahl 1 year ago 4
@AronRaHAHAHA Of course it's possible! But it's also possible that a magic ball of spinach is the creator and has a fondness for monkeys. Unfortunately there's no scientific evidence to support my crazy theory, just as there's no scientific evidence to support the "Creator". And thank god for that, because spinach is gross.
Just because there's a possibility is not enough, you have to observe what's happening and make the most likely theory. Then you have to prove it. No make-believe!
theRedPress 9 months ago
At least us creationist don't believe in something out of nothing...
Think on it guys, if matter is here then sometime in it's past it had to be made, there's your problem, cos science tells us that matter can not be created, but some how as if by magic is just appeared.
Like to tell me exactly how that happened...
AronRaHAHAHA 1 year ago
@AronRaHAHAHA actually, you do believe that something was created out of nothing. That's exactly what the bible teaches. There was nothing, God spoke (incantation anyone.... ABRAKADABRA) and the heavens and the earth were created. Something from nothing. Cosmologists will tell you, they don't know what existed before the singalrity. But it certainly wasn't "nothing". Creationists are the ones that believe in magic. What else can you call an invisible god creating everything ..from nothing?!?
conantroy1 1 year ago 9
@conantroy1
ABRAKADA hey...Thats be littling it a bit.
Cosmology only knows a millisecond after the so called BB, it can tell us nothing of the origin of matter itself, you are the one's who must believe we got all this from nothing, as in the scientific world you have not any answer, matter can come into existence by one way only, it was made by God with His awesome power, with energy we then can make matter, you won't find another answer, because there isn't one..;-)
AronRaHAHAHA 1 year ago
There is a reason why we can not see God, it's because we are in God's creation, all around is God.
It's like the heart saying "I don't believe there's a body" this is because the heart can not see the body, although it's part of it, we also are part of God's creation..
AronRaHAHAHA 1 year ago
@AronRaHAHAHA
This has to be the sorriest comment!
U said; "There is a reason why we can not see God"
Yeah....he doesn't exist! It's the same reason why god doesn't answer prayer (and I can prove it). It's 4 the same reason he hasn't made an appearance in 2K years!
The heart saying, "I don't believe here's a body?"
Your analogy fails miserably!! According to scripture, god had no problem appearing in front of men...hundreds at a times, in both the OT & NT!
Sorry, U gotta come up with a better 1
Cootabux 1 year ago
@Cootabux: God answers prayers.
Please watch my vid on God's given dream..
AronRaHAHAHA 1 year ago
@AronRaHAHAHA
Well then you'll be happy to take my prayer challenge!! We'll go to a children's hospital cancer ward (which is where I watched a 7 yr old little girl die an agonizing slow death from Bone Cancer). Then we'll choose 2 children with no chance of survival. U pray...I'll document it!
What do u say holy man? U willing to take my prayer challenge?
And nothing would make me happier than 4 prayer 2 work! But I know that no ghost is answering prayers. Nothing answers prayers!
U game?
Cootabux 1 year ago
@Cootabux: Why do you blame every bad thing on God, there is a reason why we have all kinds of diseases on the planet, it's called entropy, all things tend towards disorder, this includes our bodies, anyway, the place where that little girl has gone is a far better place than here, but I can not prove this to you, it's by faith we understand, and faith is not scientific.
I'm not that kind of a believer, I do not lay hands on people, it's not my calling..yet.
AronRaHAHAHA 1 year ago
@AronRaHAHAHA What a lucky girl.
Why don't you go right away yourself?
I saw another insane comment from you, and I should like to know how you can believe that a God can create things from nothing, even itself since you claim it exist.
ytbabbler 1 year ago
@AronRaHAHAHA I don't see him blaming god for every bad thing, but what I do see is believers praising god for every good thing.
hawklord2001 1 year ago
@AronRaHAHAHA I'd love to see your sources for "science tells us". Most often, "scientists [speculate|postulate]"; you will very nearly never see "THIS IS HOW THINGS ARE" when it comes to science. Basically, this boils down to Foucaults critique of sooth sayers.
TheJanDahl 1 year ago 2
@TheJanDahl
It's by faith and faith only we come to the realisation of all thing's being created and set in motion, as there is no other answer.
Can you tell me what made matter? And how it all came together to produce something which is very finely balanced (life)
AronRaHAHAHA 1 year ago
@AronRaHAHAHA
You are the fool who is making absurd claims! The burden of proof is on you, the claimant!
And you don't ask someone to prove a negative! If I told you that Smurfs exist, would you believe me? No? Then prove me wrong! You can't! No matter what you resort to, you cannot prove Smurfs don't exist....for the obvious reasons that it would be impossible!
Also, do yourself a favor, go read some good science books on Evolution and Cosmology! Then come back & make the same claims.
Cootabux 1 year ago
@Cootabux : The teaching of Creation was around befoe evolution..
The burdenson you I'm afraid...
AronRaHAHAHA 1 year ago
@AronRaHAHAHA
You can't be this oblivious to knowledge!
Evolution existed before man could form the thought in his under developed brain!! You should at least know that!
Unfortunately, you speak from ignorance. Btw, we are happy to meet our burden of proof when it comes to our claims that Evolution is a fact. It's you that make the absurd claims that a ghost in the sky waved his magic wand & created everything from nothing! And it's U who claims god answers prayer.
Prove it.
Cootabux 1 year ago
@AronRaHAHAHA
U certainly can't tell anyone how it happened, and to just conclude it had to have been created bcuz you can't conceive of it happening any other way, is ridiculous! Since matter is here now, it's just as logical to conclude that it's always existed in one form or another. But even if it had been created, it by no means tells us that a "ghost in a robe" did it!!
If that's all U can conjure up, go back to sleep!
And btw, U aren't worthy enough to wipe Aron's..........windshield!
Cootabux 1 year ago
@AronRaHAHAHA Invetibly you do! You believe that God came from nothing at an unkown time to create the universe for no particular reason. LOLZ Of course matter can not be created but as far back as we can go "star dust" has always has an existence. "Star dust" is what all matters and objects were formed from. Even WE are "star dust", we eat it, drink it, sleep on it, ect.
6Memento6Mori6 1 year ago
@6Memento6Mori6 where did star dust come from?
greenblue49 1 year ago
@greenblue49 You dumb shit, I just told all of you that we both conclude to the same point. Stardust and God basically are as far back as anyone can define how we've come to be..so either way we have no more proof from each other other than a few points. And like the saying God was eternal, well it works the same way for star dust.
6Memento6Mori6 1 year ago
@6Memento6Mori6 Alrighty then.............
greenblue49 1 year ago
@greenblue49 Yes
6Memento6Mori6 1 year ago
@AronRaHAHAHA You believe in the creationism, can i ask, why did the designer give me one hole, to both eat and breath through? Thats a really bad design, engineers would be sacked for making such schoolboy errors... All knowing all powerful, please!!
frackcha 1 year ago
@AronRaHAHAHA What if the point of time when the universe began is just that the beining. What if there is not ainfinite amount of time but only a point in time where it started. No scientest believes something out of nothing (Except for QP but that is a higher level then I care to explain)
ebilly99 1 year ago
@AronRaHAHAHA twat
mikesomething 1 year ago
you have sided on the side of the physical and dismissed anything that is spiritual and eternal.
Is your thinking the same as aronra? He thinks all the matter that made a so called "big bang" has always existed, do you think the same also?
Andy...
AronRaHAHAHA 1 year ago
Not really any trouble compared to the editing done in your videos. I was barely coherent! But, given that you take a lot of flak, I thought it'd be nice to have a positive response.
Come to think of it, I might make a habit of making positive video replies to other intelligent people on these here dump trucks.
TheJanDahl 2 years ago
@TheJanDahl
Can I ask you a question?
If you had the choice of a creator being present or not, which would you choose?
AronRaHAHAHA 1 year ago
You're welcome. And thank you for going through this much trouble. :-)
AronRa 2 years ago 2