Wrestling Roundtable #51 4/3/11 Part 1 - 10th Anniversary of WCW & ECW Deaths

[martinjamesglasgow]

ECW were like small sports teams that produces great players and big teams get them for practically nothing

[martinjamesglasgow]

WCW went out if business cos they sucked. a bunch of old guys dominating and squashing everyone...i.e TNA last year

[themadmallard]

on the whole part of where it was talking about after the TWAOL merger how wrestling was drawing an undesirable demographic, I think it bears pointing out in the timeline, that that kind of chatter comes out around Vince Russo's time in out from behind the scenes at WCW, AND coincides with the odd urban/sports guests celebrities appearing.

Most specifically, Malone and then the No Limit Soldiers. ugh.

[abelherrera11]

The dude in the suit is cool! :)

[Panther5789]

the dud in the suit comes across as an arrogant douche, he might be a nice guy if you know him personally but what makes his opinion more valid than anyone elses he's a fan just like all of us here on youtube.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@Panther5789 Thanks for watching! :)

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[jerzeefranky3475]

I wish Sinclair had a station in the NYC/NJ region...I'd LOVE 2 see it in ION-31 here in the NYC/NJ area personally...

[jcishere1000]

great video, still wish wcw was around and i started watching wcw because of sting and benoit, it sucks that everytime a wcw dvd is released from wwe, wwe and vince always show the negative side of wcw not the great company it once was

[clipsryan]

Great show as always. Are any of you guys into AAA/Luch Libre wrestling? I've always loved the luchadores in WWF, ECW and WCW but it wasn't enough. I know some of you are familiar with Japanese wrestling (as am I) but I don't remember you guys talking about Lucha Libre. Anyway, thanks again for this great show.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@clipsryan Thank you! I'm a fan of Lucha, though I can't say I'm anywhere close to very knowledgeable on the genre or style. I know some of the history and names, but not nearly as well as I do Puro or especially American. That being said, I enjoy it most of the time like any other version of wrestling & if we had people with a pool of knowledge about it, we'd have done a show on it by now, heh, I'd rather do it justice by doing it right than talking about something I don't know much about :)

-E

[ant0586]

great show guys

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@ant0586 Thank you!

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[weeble504]

another great show guys, as always. and great to see lawrence back, one of the roundtable originals..

[TheCousinsBellic]

is will vafides czw's ty hagen?

[SWO4LIFE2]

heymen is the reason ecw is dead..he spent the money on bullshit

[kingmula2]

@SWO4LIFE2 true sadly

[Cervclash]

Sorry if you've been asked this but has Eric ever considered being a manager? I mean draws so much here already! Seriously though the EPIC ponytail is a great look :))

[SWO4LIFE2]

hey.hulk hogan should have say so in the end of his matches..you know why..he's hulk fucking hogan!!!

[Lightspeeds]

The highspots commercial was just hilarious.

[abelherrera11]

I litterally jumped for joy when I saw you uploaded a new show :)

[fagbert]

@abelherrera11

You said it. I'm THRILLED whenever a new show comes up. :D

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@abelherrera11 & @fagbert Thank you both very much!

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[RandomMindz]

6:21 VERY informative. Conspiracy theory or not, you gotta question the end results of the entire thing.

[katamari84]

WWE universe heck yeah!

[reh629]

the guaranteed contracts were ridiculous. ludwig borga, lanny poffo and many other wrestlers were employed by wcw and never ever steeped foot in a wcw ring.

[TheNeanderthaller]

that pretty lame how you guys stole the ps2 load up sound

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@TheNeanderthaller Yes, because the Playstation came before symphonies.

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[redfury0156]

@WrestlingRoundtable apparently sony also made fade ins and disclaimers. all hail the all powerful sony god. lol i heart tools, don't you?

[Sweetguy9009]

@WrestlingRoundtable Santamaria, a question for you. You say Fusion and Bischoff could have went to NBC or USA Network at the time and gotten a deal to just classic NWA/WCW. Do you think a Network would really take a chance on that? I think it might've been a risk. Now, if it was strictly DVD's or maybe have a Partnership with TNA back in 2002. I could see that working.

[TheoHuxtable07]

People calm down. Somebody needs to be the mediator and devil's advocate so the show can have structure and a good flow. Otherwise this will just come across as a aimless discussion. No one is trying to be a know-it-all or come off as snarky. Peace.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@TheoHuxtable07 Thanks, awesome screen name, heh. Yes, sometimes I'll pose a question I don't necessarily agree with to play devil's advocate(glad someone can recognize that. I get called snarky all the time, but I'm the first to admit I don't know everything!), but it's good because we can't all be in agreement all the time, right? Besides, it's good to have your opinion challenged, to even question your own position, because you open yourself up to new insight & makes you think harder, imo.

-E

[Crkt4Eva]

@WrestlingRoundtable, Have you ever thought that it was a huge coincidence that both WCW & ECW both disappeared around that same time in Spring '01?!

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@Crkt4Eva I never thought it was anything but, heh. Though I suppose it's indicative of, let's say, 'the wrestling bubble bursting' like the '.com bubble'. Not only did WCW & ECW stop existing, WWF's ratings went down to, so people stopped watching wrestling en masse at that time.

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[RandomMindz]

21:15 haha I dream of Jeanie reference. 

[SnipurNoSniping]

On the whole WCW subject, I was around 5 before it went under. I watched religiously every week, and loved every minute of it, that was until about late 2000. Even when I was five, I could see a decline in the product and enjoyed it less. That says something.

[TheoHuxtable07]

Yes!

[reh629]

wcw ended not because of vince russo, guaranteed contracts, or creative control. wcw ended because aol/time warner wanted nothing to do with wrestling. even at its worse, nitro and thunder were still the highest rated shows on tnt and tbs.

tv execs love wrestling money. they just dont love wrestling.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@reh629 While it's hard to say because the timing sure indicates as such(being that the AOL/Time Warner merger happened so quickly before the sale of WCW), I still don't think they'd have been so quick to dump the product had it been making tens of millions of dollars in profit instead of sinking $62 million in the hole or whatever it was.

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[reefinit]

great show eric... thanks

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@reefinit Thank you, man!

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[MrTvtech9]

The ultimate reason imo of the collapse of WCW was something that not only damaged the world of wrestling, but damaged the world economy: The AOL-Time Warner merger. AOL/TW lost money after this, the dotcom bubble burst, and AOL wanted to rid their hands of WCW.

Another factor is the lack of Luchadores after Russo/Ferarra administration took over. In early 1999 their cruiserweight division was stacked. By the end of 2000 their cruiserweight champion was Elix Skipper. Just pointing that out.

[bigdaddyj1985]

rodney made a good point. i think the only person that really backed wcw was ted turner and when he sold his company, one of the first things was to get rid of wrestling no matter what the ratings were. bottomline, wrestling really sucks without wcw ,and sadly, tna or roh can't ever get to the level wcw did. wcw was and always will be the alternative to the wwe. HOLA AT YA BOY, PEACE!!!

[nwatna06]

i would have no idea what ECW was if it wasn't for their year on TNN so while it may have killed it in the end im glad i was able to see it

[BigDaddy0207]

I like the JP conspiracy theory of WCW. Sad to see no more WCW and ECW...TNA will end up a could of would of should of if they don't get their act together.

ECW is the forgotten piece of the Monday Night Wars.

Great show and great topics.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@BigDaddy0207 Thanks a lot!

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[cmpunk49]

now with ROH being sold to Sinclair Broadcasting is that good or bad for ROH will they put money into the product and leave it alone or will they put their hands all over it and kill it in 2 years ?

[scipio2009]

@cmpunk49 The simple answer is 'meh'. Sinclair Broadcasting, for all the talk of it giving ROH major exposure, is only presently available in 22% of homes, with ROh likely to be syndicated on only about half of the stations owned by Sincalir. what's even worse is that Sinclair doesn't even air in the markets where ROH is already strong in, namely New York and Philadelphia. Depending on how much money Sinclair is ready to invest to improve the show and internet impact, I see ROH going SMW.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@scipio2009 From what I understand, Sinclair intends to broadcast ROH in every one of their 58 stations or so. Though the SMW reference is appreciated ;), heh, because the money issue is another thing.

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[laidbackbazmac]

@StewartLucrative Please dont give him any tips. We just like to watch them do what they think works. Please dont listen to these guys Eric & add 60 seconds to the opening titles.

[StewartLucrative]

@laidbackbazmac Don't get me wrong, Eric seems like a nice enough guy and I really love watching wrestling roundtable. I've been looking forward to them going over "the death" of WCW and ECW for a long time, I just get annoyed at how Eric reacts at opinions that differ from his.

[Sneezlebob]

@StewartLucrative its the moustache.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@StewartLucrative I kept them in because I thought they were funny. Guess I was wrong. Besides, I'm not upset that people have different opinions than me; if they didn't, there'd be no show. Anyway, at least the 29 people who agree with you watched :)

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[StewartLucrative]

@WrestlingRoundtable I was in a pissy mood when I left that comment, maybe it was male PMS :P I feel like a dick now for saying it. I didn't intend for it to be thumbed up so much and so visible. For the record I really enjoy wrestling roundtable, I've been a faithful subscriber for years and you seem like a good guy Eric. I apologize for leaving that rude comment.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@StewartLucrative I know you've been a subscriber for a long time. And I've heard worse, heh.

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[TheClique17]

It bugs me when people say 'creative decisions killed WCW'. Creative decisions may have led to the ratings dropping, but it was impossible for them to have 'killed' the company. WCW was owned by Time Warner, which owned TNT and TBS.

If WWE made terrible creative decisions, they own no television channel for distribution of their product. TV companies could cancel WWE shows because of bad creative decisions, as with other TV shows in the past . Not the same for WCW.

[scipio2009]

@TheClique17 WCW died because they lost any access to TV, to promote their product. 'Nitro' was still pulling near 2.0 ratings every Monday night, the product had finally been pushed forward, with Booker T, DDP, Scott Steiner, Jeff Jarrett, and Sting as the stars to carry the show, and WCW had also been doing a stellar job of promoting that next group of stars for their product, with Kidman, O'Haire, Palumbo, and "Sugar" Shane Helms as the "stars of the future"

[scipio2009]

Respond to this video... They still had the various albatrosses to deal with, most importantly the contracts of folks like Hogan, Nash, Hall, Goldberg, Savage, etc, slowing down the "rebirth", but those contract were being managed by the company and WCW was even finding ways to keep said guys involved in roles/angles that had them nowhere near the title belts, while still being entertaining. The product wou;d've come back, if only they were able to get TV.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@TheClique17 I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Here's what I'm trying to say though : Creative may not have been the only reason(there's plenty of factors that led to WCW's death), but it had to be the foundation for the demise, because if they were giving people programming that made people care & made them want to spend money, they wouldn't have ended up losing so much of it and wouldn't have been easy pickings for AOL to cut loose. That's what I believe.

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[WWFrawiswar1999]

I miss the SOUND of the WCW ring

[turthtalker]

I laughed at Erics face when he hears ''Mick Foley one of the most beloved wrestlers of all time''.

[Z0D1AN]

@turthtalker I don't understand why he made that face, its true. Listen to the crowd when mick foley came out, he was over like a mother fucker.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@Z0D1AN I wasn't disbelieving he's beloved; of course he is. I just thought that was a bad example of how "ECW made someone a star" because 1. He was main eventing in WCW against guys like Vader & Sting for years before that, & 2. For the short amount of time he was in ECW, and as good as his work was, he not only got just as notorious for the King Of The Deathmatch in Japan, but his then-future WWF run was probably more due to Jim Ross being a head of talent relations than his ECW work.

-E

[Z0D1AN]

@WrestlingRoundtable Good point. I hadn't thought of that.

[theSHeinsing]

Could ECW's more positive representation be something to do with them being so 'underground' in their fan base, that they were seen as the under dog, whereas WCW were seen to be an opposing power trying to kill two other companies? It's the Rey Mysterio Theory, everyone loves an underdog, whether they're doing anything relevant or not. Just a thought.

[scipio2009]

@theSHeinsing ECW, as far as the WWE was concerned, put on a far inferior product, and that's why they have no qualms about promoting ECW. For all the harping of Vince McMahon stealing all of Heyman's ideas, all Vinnie Mac did was take Heyman's ideas and filter them into a form that he believed would be suitable for his national wrestling audience.

WCW has a wrestling product history and promotional lineage that puts the WWE to shame; therefore Vinnie Mac needed to trash WCW to keep his pitch.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@theSHeinsing That's a good point. Interesting. @scipio2009 I'm sure it's got more to do with ego & revenge than WCW's history or lineage; there's a few things WWE is ashamed of(Benoit, actually being wrestling, etc.), but I seriously doubt 'not having as good a lineage as WCW' is one of them!

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[ICEGOD2]

Great show. Didn't realize its been 10 years since the fall of WCW till my wife told me. TNA looks more and more like they are falling into the same trap WCW did.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@ICEGOD2 Thanks!

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[nWoWolfpacTV]

Everying Eric said was in my mind. I would usually add my two cents to show how intelligent & knowledgeable i am about pro wrestling but i can't be arsed!

[MrPerfect2000Z]

I get a wrestling roundtable episode a day after my birthday?

Thanks Eric!

[willbrooks09]

@MrPerfect2000Z From all of us from the Wrestling Roundtable,

Happy Birthday!

WillFnBrooks

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@MrPerfect2000Z Seconded - Happy belated birthday!

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[Nertrender]

I think Vince is too competitive to pull his punches, but I think he would welcome some one who could go a few rounds with him.

[scipio2009]

WCW stars who ended up being WWF/WWE main event stars/champions:

Booker T, Rey Mysterio, Goldberg, Eddie Guererro, Chris Benoit, Scott Steiner, to name a few.

You add to that, the remaining cadre of talent that WWE used to plug up it's midcards and WWE is "dead man walking" after Wrsetlemania 17, for the simple fact that their roster, outside of Rock vs. Austin, which carried the bulk of that prior year, was completely shot.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@scipio2009 To name a few? Those are the few, heh. At least from 2000 onward(Steiner? Briefly!). Anyway, I have no idea what point you're trying to make about the WWF like in the other comment about Russo's angles & Kurt Angle. WWF's ratings started a decline after WM17, but that's got nothing to do with their "dead man walking" roster(HUH?), and how could Austin/Rock have carried the bulk of 'that prior year'(I assume you mean 2000) when Austin was gone for most of it?

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[scipio2009]

@WrestlingRoundtable If WCW/ECW had not gone under when they did, what did you honestly see the WWF doing, to follow up the final climax of the Austin/Rock saga, the final arc that Russo left WWF before he joined WCW?

Looking back to that point in time, the only star that the WWF had ready to go was HHH, and that's really it. WWF doesn't get that influx of talent from WCW/ECW and I, personally, don't see things turning out all so well for Vinnie Mac, let alone if WCW had lived.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@scipio2009 Whoa whoa...Russo wasn't even doing Austin/Rock when he left in 99 - Austin was feuding with HHH, and Rock with Billy Gunn/Bulldog. As for WWF in 2001, I see them doing exactly what they did anyway - Two Man Power Trip, Austin Vs. Angle & Rock/Jericho. That influx of talent from WCW/ECW amounted to one breakout star(RVD) and everyone else was varying degrees of jobber(if they even made it to TV), so I don't really seeing it affecting WWF much b/c I don't think it really did.

-E

[scipio2009]

Rock/Austin, had already run it's course, HHH was ready to be in said mix, and the only other guy even close, Kurt Angle, was a full year away from being ready, while WCW, even with their audience stabilized at around the 2.0 rating, had their new main event scene firmly established (Booker T, Steiner, DDP, JJ, Sting), had a handful of promising new stars developing, and a set of "main event attractions" who were still useful when used in small doses (Goldberg, Flair, Hogan, Nash).

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@scipio2009 I don't see how you can say Angle was a "full year away from being ready" when he'd already been World Champion for 3 months before WM17 even happened. And names you haven't mentioned at all about WWF's roster in 2001 include Undertaker, Kane, Benoit & Jericho getting pushed, Chyna, Edge/Christian, Hardys, Dudleys, etc. But on the WCW roster, yes, Bischoff would have a good one had Fuscient gone through with the purchase & they did their "Big Bang" PPV in April 2001 like planned.

-E

[scipio2009]

@WrestlingRoundtable As far as I'm concerned, there's a major difference between being champion and being ready to carry a promotion; just look at the Miz.. IMO, Angle was a good year away from actually being a name to carry any company.

To try and make my point, as of March 2001 you could look at WCW and see an idea of what they had in mind for the next year, and the next 3 years. As of March 2001, in my opinion, if one looked at the WWF, I don't think they'd be able to say the same.

[anvilofcrom]

AOL Time Warner didn't want to promote wrestling...simple.

[Theodosiou74]

haircuts are fun

[scipio2009]

You add to that, the reality that 1) WCW still had about 15 markets where the WCW name was still good enough to draw 15,000-20,000 to shows and 2)WWF had finally finished with the angles that Vince Russo had booked before leaving, and the only fresh name left to put into the picture was HHH, with Kurt Angle a godd year away from being relevant, and I can' believe that you "long-term fans" are buying into the Vinnie mac nonsense.

[scipio2009]

WCW, simply put, died because AOLTimeWarner wanted absolutely nothing to do with professional wrestling. Simple as that.

Even at "death's door", WCW was still drawing 1.9-2.1 ratings for Monday Nitro, they had already establish a "Famous Five", the guys who were expected to carry WCW forward: DDP, Scott Steiner, Booker T, Jeff Jarrett, and Sting, and they were the home for some of the most promising young talent in all of wrestling, highlight Kidman, O'Haire/Palumbo and "Sugar" Shane Helms.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@scipio2009 It's not as simple as that because otherwise there'd be nothing to talk about or any questions. Despite being top rated shows for TNT & TBS, WCW was bleeding money with bad attendance, bad PPV buys, and bad sales, not to mention their outrageous spending. I find it hard to believe that AOL would have been so quick to get rid of wrestling if WCW was making 10s of millions of $ like 97/98 instead of $60 in the hole. Obviously there's many factors, TV was just the final one.

-E

[ak47523]

@WrestlingRoundtable Thats why the no Fuisent deal doesn't make sense. If they sell to Fusient they get rid of a huge liability o the overall bottom line but do not affect a huge asset which is the huge ad money WCW was still drawing. AOL/Time Warner did not wan't wrestling plain and simple. The "fingerpoke of doom" did not kill WCW. I would rather watch 2001 WCW than current WWE.

[jerudoriginal91]

I'm always happy to see a new Wrestlingroundtable video in my subscription box. Great point as usual.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@jerudoriginal91 Thanks!

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[scipio2009]

Come on, Eric!

You bring the guests onto your show, they give you answers that most people, and the folks who actually watched WCW, would think made pretty decent sense, yet you completely dismiss their suggestions, just because they don't continue the Vinnie Mac history re-write, where WCW was never a company that had any idea of how to actually run a wrestling promotion?

if you were just looking for some parrots, why have folks even come in in the first place?

[BurtSampson]

@scipio2009 because he couldn't feed his ego if he couldn't snarkily roll his eyes whenever someone said something.

[TheDalinkwent]

@scipio2009, WCW had great ideas but they simply were morons that let backstage politics destroy and ruin the product. The simple fact that they got Bret Hart after one of the biggest angles in Wrestling history (Screwjob) and still couldn't find anything to do with him for 9 months proves this. Vince used 97 to create the Vince Mcmahon Character that helped make Austin the biggest Ant-hero in WWF, yet Bret was used as Hogans stooge in the already tired NWO faction.

[scipio2009]

@TheDalinkwent If Sting had gone from WCW to the WWE, do you honestly believe that he would've ended up being treated better than Bret hart was in WCW? as far as I'm concerned, that's the million dollar question, and I believe the final answer to be a resounding heck no.

For all the faults that WCW had, whether it be the backstage politics or anything else, WCW has never come close to what the WWE has done in utterly savaging characters and personas that they did not create.

[TheDalinkwent]

@scipio2009, Are you forgetting that WCW had ZERO faith nor respect for Ric Flair? They even made him re-debut in drag for god sakes. Not to mention he was also fed to Hogan thousands of times in WCW, remember that dumbass cage match with Hogan/Savage going against Flair and assortment of jobbers, just to make Hogan look even more invincible? At least Flair in WWF was able to headline WR and win the RR in the era of Hogan no less.

[scipio2009]

@TheDalinkwent Ric Flair was the "living legend" of WCW and, even though he was getting a bit "long in the tooth", there was really nothing there to question such a status. As far as WCW ended up treating Flair, I really would've had no qualms with what was happening in the build, if only WCW delivered on the ending that the fans were dying to see. Flair was the standard bearer of WCW' the nWo's entire focus was crapping on WCW's standard, claiming their own dominance. oh well.

[TheDalinkwent]

@scipio2009, The Hogan/Sting debacle was my original point. Like you said they built it up brilliantly and set in motion the best damn wrestling angle in years, but Hogan wasn't having any of it. Even worse is after a fail of epic size and scope, WCW let Hogan refuse to ever put Sting over clean. They had three different chances to get the job done and failed every time. Not to mention even when Sting won the belt, Hogan had it ONCE AGAIN less than 2 months later.

[scipio2009]

@TheDalinkwent I think you do seem to forget that the WWF "hotshotted" the belt onto Flair, after Hulk Hogan decided he needed to go make another movie, and that Vinnie Mac was more than ready to feed Flair to Hogan the very moment said movie taping was over.

And you call that respect?

[TheDalinkwent]

@scipio2009, I didn't say Flair was treated like Gold in WWF, only that he AT LEAST was able to headline WR and win the RR. While he was WCW he was pretty much the bookers inside joke, he was put in terrible angles that went nowhere, had his group the 4 horsemen turned into joke, and was fed to Hogan and anyone else that needed to be put over. WCW even refused to pay him decent money as World champ and fired him WHILE CHAMP, which led to one of the worse PPV's in the early 90's.

[scipio2009]

@TheDalinkwent For all the "praise" that Vinnie Mac gets, folks let him get away with a whole lot of nonsense. He was handed 'The American Dream' Dusty Rhodes, and all he could come up with was having him parade around in yellow polka dots. He had Ric Flair, of all people, and all he could think of was trying to work out a way to feed him to Hogan.

[TheDalinkwent]

@scipio2009, I'll give you Dusty Rhodes gimmick in WWF, that was awful.

[scipio2009]

@TheDalinkwent Heck, even when people talk about 'Stone Cold' Steve Austim, folks seem to forget that Vinnie Mac had him as the Ringmaster for a full year and a half before, Vince Russo, of all people convinced Vinnie mac to let him run with the character that he'd already been developing in ECW.

Say what you want about WCW, but I'd take their history of utilizing talent over the WWE's history of utilizing talent any day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

[TheDalinkwent]

@scipio2009, Considering WCW spent ENTIRE YEAR building Sting as the new big babyface only to let Hogan and his bullshit completely bury him 3 DIFFERENT TIMES, I have to disagree. It doesn't matter who's responsible for the creation of Stone Cold, the fact is Vince saw Austin as the next big thing and actually did something with him.

[scipio2009]

@TheDalinkwent Yes, the Sting vs, Hogan debacle, as far as I'm concerned was probably the first 'death blow' that WCW ended up taking. WCW, brilliantly in my opinion, had been building up Sting vs. Hogan, WCW vs. nWo, and they were ready to see things pays off in a major way, if only Sting had been aloud to win "the big one" for WCW. Hogan put the kibosh on that, and everyone know what ended up happening.

[scipio2009]

@TheDalinkwent You go with the logical ending and not only does WCW stand tall in the end, you also set up a nWo Wolfpack vs. nWo Black&White as a co-main event level feud, too. Businesses could've been good. if only.

[TheDalinkwent]

@scipio2009, Don't forget them dropping the ball with Bret Hart. Bret Hart should have either opposed NWO as the new big babyface or had his own stable to combat the NWO. Yet once again Hogan wasn't going to play ball. I find it amazing that the minute they wanted Bret/Hogan as a feud, Hogan all of sudden had a "back injury" and Bret ended up as Hogans stooge in NWO.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@scipio2009 First of all, we(the panel) all watched WCW. Secondly, no one's been a bigger defender of WCW than me during this show's history. Thirdly, how is that(despite being a fan) I call them out on their mistakes and that automatically makes me an advocate of "Vinnic Mac history re-write"? I'm not looking for parrots or for everyone to agree - that's why I ask the questions I do, and as far as opinion, I felt they were all missing the bigger picture of why exactly WCW was sold.

-E

[paynexkillerAOTF]

Another great Video.

[WrestlingRoundtable]

@paynexkillerAOTF Thank you!

-E, Wrestling Roundtable

[sawrated18]

Wooooo!