Dr. Airsoft, Practical Testing: Goggles and Facemasks

[bobdotexe]

So i guess my $20 paintball mask that says "do not use with paintballs over 300fps" is not the best to be used in airsoft?

[Dannyboy4vr]

The JT masks are Paintball masks, im sure

[SoulsOfDeath101]

do any fields hold co2 pistols that shoot a little over 400 fps?



[jjondadside]

paintball masks are designed to stop paintballs....

[splatproductions99]

isn't JT for paintball?

[TheBassAngler1]

this will never actually happen it was way to close

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@TheBassAngler1 It SHOULD NOT happen, but regrettably it does. This is a violation of any field's minimum engagement distance, but it happens. Most documented eye injuries occured at short range (Kratz A - Am J Ophthalmol - 01-JAN-2010; 149(1): 37-44). One incident occured within 4 feet at a Fort Ord game. It is documented in NAM magazine, issue 11. Using gear that can take a close hit is the way to prevent the most common serious eye injuries.

[Armageddon3284]

@TheBassAngler1 Its the way it is. You don't test for safety under ideal conditions, you test for safety under extreme conditions. This way, if you know it can take the punishment up close, you can TRUST it under ideal circumstances. This is how safety is tested man.

And, if you think it doesn't happen up close? get out of the back yard and come to some regulated fields. minimum engagement distances are largely unenforceable in the moment. Things happen and all you can do is say "oops!"

[FEDPablo]

hi i was wondering if there are any goggles or full face masks that i can use with glasses. i was wondering if mesh masks are good for glasses or anything else i can use. if you could recommend any type of mask i would be very grateful. thank you :)

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@FEDPablo My highest recommendation is to get frames for your glasses that fit closely to your face. This will allow the most compatibility with tactical goggles. You may want to try the Hakkotsu X-eye goggle. It is very large inside. The other approach is to get prescription inserts with a goggle like Revision Military's Desert Locust.

[ScottiesVlog]

How ironic the person shooting the gun at 0:19 has no eye protection on...

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@ScottiesVlog He is wearing shooting glasses, but not skirmish eye protection.

[jake88741]

were is air-soft extreme

[MegaSuperCritic]

Woah!!! The number of subscribers you have is 1,798! SB798! 7 9 8

[taiko729]

can you review the Matrix High Speed Light Weight Half Mask?

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@taiko729

I believe I tried to get that mask from a major retailer who told me their video will be produced soon for that mask.

[halfpipe78]

Can you review the JT delta 2 airsoft mask that is made for airsoft

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@halfpipe78

I have been wanting to test that mask since I first saw it almost a year ago. I have not received an answer from JT. I think they would benefit from allowing us to test it. It looks like it could be the most affordable full-face mask, but I would have to do my own test before endorsing it.

[0guitargod]

face it paintball mask...not for airsoft

[Ir0nExpress]

Why were the JT's picked at all? All of them minus the flex 8 is entry level crap and the flex 8 was designed to be rubber and bounce paintballs, not stop small tiny projectiles. Empire events, Invert Helix and Avatar can perform so much better for airsoft applications with their harder plastic and much smaller vent holes.

[halfpipe78]

what is a face mask you reccomend that you reccomend and is under 100 dollors and it covers the ears, neck, and back of head, and will not let bbs into your face through vents

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@halfpipe78

SavePhace. Search for airsoft medicine and save phace.

[Erealiza]

try our milsin! it has no limit.. you can shot 500+ fps at point blank range.. the only rules is, u can not touch you opponent or grab them.. if you can not take the pain, raise your gun, step back, its up 2 you f u run or re-engage.. miss thus days!!

[Travisthetoaster]

I need a mask that is safe..

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@Travisthetoaster

See the other videos to learn about safer full face and goggle/lower face combinations which are safer.

[mechagodzilla290]

6:16 It's a mad face!

[shaunp33jerk]

nobody gonna shoot you 2inches from your face...its called safet shot...you yell BANG!!

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@shaunp33jerk

This is a violation of any field's minimum engagement distance, but it happens. Most documented eye injuries occured at short range (Kratz A - Am J Ophthalmol - 01-JAN-2010; 149(1): 37-44). One incident occured within 4 feet at a Fort Ord game. It is documented in NAM magazine, issue 11. These injuries should never happen. Using gear that can take a close hit is the way to prevent the most common serious eye injuries

[avgnman72]

@shaunp33jerk No it is safety kill

[parkour0423]

I always use my trusted brassguard, a real Russian quality mesh mask in stead of some cheap chinese piece of junk.

[Arostyle380]

Mesh masks FTW! The rumour that bb's split is a load of rubbish. As long as you use quality 0.2's+ also Bio bb's can split to. 

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@Arostyle380

It's the other guy's bb's that matter. Fragmentation is only expected under extreme conditions in which rules are being violated.

[Jizzmaster1488]

@Arostyle380 Mesh goggles are horrible, I tested my m700 on a pair, the bb went right trough without shattering.

[NaWJeyJey]

I'm wearing the JT Flex 8 Fullhead and it's great. I have no problems, but good to know, that some BBs with enough power can get through it.

Thanks for you tests.

[TheMONSTERenergy1818]

most feilds dont allow shots from point blank range.

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@TheMONSTERenergy1818

That is correct. This is a violation of any field's minimum engagement distance, but it happens. Most documented eye injuries occured at short range (Kratz A - Am J Ophthalmol - 01-JAN-2010; 149(1): 37-44). One incident occured within 4 feet at a Fort Ord game. It is documented in NAM magazine, issue 11. These injuries should never happen. Using gear that can take a close hit is the way to prevent the most common serious eye injuries.

[steven03048]

He says Intruder and written was Invader ;P

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@steven03048

The titles are correct. I said it wrong during filming.

[steven03048]

@auburnmedicalgroup

it was just a little bit funny ^^ so dont be worry

[VinceNYCRapper]

Erm May i ask,If i'm behind that mask with the elite protection and if the bb goes thru the down end of the face protection and hits me under my nose,how much damage will it cost??if the gun is shot from pointblank range with 500fps i mean..and will it have the posibility that it will bounce and hit me in the eye???

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@VinceNYCRapper

I am concerned about the possiblitity of bb's passing between the side of the nose and the seal of the goggles to enter the eye space. This has happened at my local field. I have not yet heard of an eye injury occuring when this happens, but it could. ESS makes a clip that covers this vulnerable area on their airsoft goggles.

[VinceNYCRapper]

@auburnmedicalgroup ouch,what should i do then?

[VinceNYCRapper]

@auburnmedicalgroup and do you think wearing a mask and goggles together would be better?

[Sullysaccount]

lol I wear ballistic goggles army issued

[bklacc1]

@Sullysaccount ess profile nvgs....

[reno911unlocred]

i wish my single shot beretta cann do that damage, i live in mexico, and here does guns cant be sold, i want to go study in us just ot be able to get one of thoes, actually i went to dallas and i bought my berreta there, cause here the only bb guns thar are sold are crapy and transparent... the bbs cant get though a single paper sheet...

[MegaDrainProductions]

i do like your videos but really, no sniper is going to put their gun right up to you and shoot. Everyone knows better than to do that

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@MegaDrainProductions

You are correct. This is a violation of any field's minimum engagement distance, but it happens. Most documented eye injuries occured at short range (Kratz A - Am J Ophthalmol - 01-JAN-2010; 149(1): 37-44). One incident occured within 4 feet at a Fort Ord game. It is documented in NAM magazine, issue 11. These injuries should never happen. Using gear that can take a close hit is the way to prevent the most common serious eye injuries

[MegaDrainProductions]

@auburnmedicalgroup ok thank you

[AirsoftShizsAndGigs]

@auburnmedicalgroup you should do a test on mesh goggles and mesh lower face mask

[StinkyTofuFeelsUgly]

There is a mesh mask from extremeairsoft online store (may have been a response to this video haha. Seems like this mask would do the job, possibly even point blank against 500fps shots. X Factor V1 Strike Steel Half Face

[MisdirectedSasha]

Protect your lower face? Bah, wear a shemagh and don't smile so much.

[GreveSparf]

I have a full-face King Arms neoprene mask - It's suffocatingly warm when used during summer times (I have, fortunately, not tested that yet, but it's just above bearable in the biting winter of Sweden) but since it has no holes and is made of neoprene - It should protect you well... Note the "should", I haven't been hit in the face while wearing it yet

Would be nice to see you test it

[monsimand]

Protip: Dont wear sunglasses as safty glasses, you wont be able to see anything in dark lolol

[ressamp]

kinda weird how they managed to show every single goggle/mask i own 0.o

[Mottleyparasite]

This is the reason why I wear a bandana around my face and a mouth guard even tho I use a full facemask even if it is a worst case scenario it still can happen and Id rather be safe than sorry

[TheKmk4420]

lol no fields would allow 500 fps guns ....cap is 450 max ever were and its for snipers ONLY all other like guns are like 350 to 380 max

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@TheKmk4420

This test does not replicate normal conditions, nor was it intended to. It is intended to reproduce the worst accident imaginable on a US field with a sniper limit over 500 fps when an unsuspecting player comes around the corner of a building right when someone against the building wall is firing into the distance. It has happened more than once in California. Check NAM magazine issue 11.

[jediknight129]

@TheKmk4420 a lot of the uk outdoor sites have 500fps single shot snipers. so your statement isn't correct. As for full auto I have seen some very hot guns out there so with the popularity of no limit games I am honestly not suprised a high fps was chosen for testing.

[christower50]

@TheKmk4420 your supposed to test guns that are way too hot for games

[krap101]

@TheKmk4420 "real" airsoft fields allow up to 450-500 for dmr and up to 550 for sniper rifles.

[svendewulf]

@TheKmk4420 in belgium spring snipers can have 500 FPS on field, semi only snipers 450fps and all others only 350 :'(

[AirsoftSniper2145]

@TheKmk4420 My field snipers are 550 all AEG weapons are 400

[MegaDrainProductions]

@TheKmk4420 really no field, my friend owns his own property and we can have as much fps a gun will go up to on them,

[iownugetoverit]

@TheKmk4420 Max is 550 for snipers where i live....

do your research next time

[DUB24fps]

@TheKmk4420 depends on the weight of the BB

[xLiViNgxSnIpErX]

@TheKmk4420 at my field, snipers are allowed up to 550

[rodakaR2A]

@TheKmk4420 Wow you're wrong I know fields that allow up to 600 fps

[eddiebmx]

is that the old sacramento location at 1:09? How about some videos regarding problems with fogging?

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@eddiebmx

Yes. That was the old location of AEX.

The topic of fogging is addressed in three videos from Shot Show. Look at the two "Revision" and the "ESS" videos from Shot Show 2011 on my channel.

[HGClark]

could you try save phace face masks?

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@HGClark

I would be glad to.

[FlatLineAirsoftTeam]

This Video Is Verry Practical, Thank you For The Upload!

[Shurrekin]

Thanks for the info. But one question. If i wear my neck protector (so i dont get sick =[] ] well it slow it down any?

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@Shurrekin

Which neck protector?

[Shurrekin]

@auburnmedicalgroup its from the u.s. army neck protector its not really thick or then either.

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@Shurrekin

I have not tested it, but I am fairly confident that the US Army neck protector will block bb's.

[Shurrekin]

@auburnmedicalgroup Alright thanks for the info! ☺

[BruceJBCpaintball]

i like how they make it seem that they are the makers of the paintball masks, which aren't the best in any way

[duperman91]

yeah 916 sacramento rules

[0mgwtfbbq21]

lol "to keep the babies from going between the nose"

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@0mgwtfbbq21

Thanks for catching that. I have corrected it to print "bb's."  The manufacturer makes no claim for product efficacy as a contraceptive.

[hoppybunney]

those are more meant for paintball

[duperman91]

@hoppybunney just because they have a full face mask doesnt mean they are for paintball

[TrackingAirsoft]

Higher FPS, Farther you have to be to take the shot.

The PAINTBALL masks I would NEVER get for airsoft. The breathing holes are to big. and thats easy for anyone to see.

[drablos123]

@Distance9240 Atleast in our airsoft games, there is a rule that if your gun shoot over 2joule you must be atleast 20m away. And most guns that shoots over 2joule are snipers, in Finland all fully automatic guns must be under 1.6 joule. And my Bolle safety glasses can hold much as 3joule

[shockfreeman]

That's the same airsoft place i go too and its right next to my mother's store.

[sexwaffles]

Do the CA or the Guarder goggles fog up a lot?

[sassteve1971]

Most UK sites are 350fps limit. I've got the JT flex 8 for CQB games. Never had any bbs through the grill. Also talking physics...If your guns shoots at 350fps the max range is about 50 to 60 meters. At 30 meters a .20bb has already lost half the initial velocity. At 40 meters a bb is traveling at less than 100fps. So for woodland games I wear bolle X800 and a gum shield as bb's will chip exposed teeth!!

[drablos123]

You're shooting too close, that doesn't prove anything

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@drablos123

It does when you see that other masks in the other videos are safer.

[drablos123]

@auburnmedicalgroup still, these masks are safe too, but you're shooting them too close. If you have ever played airsoft, you would understand me. In airsoft you won't shoot others in the head 10cm away.

[Schultz98]

@drablos123 you've obviously never cleared a room before

[drablos123]

@Schultz98 Never played CQB, and it isnt even that popular in airsoft

[Schultz98]

@drablos123 I am guessing your new? as your making claims you cant back up, We have 2 cqb centers within 20 minutes of me as well as outdoor fields

[drablos123]

@Schultz98 Still, there isnt that many CQB areas, maybe if where you live is 2 doesnt mean that every country or city has them..

[Schultz98]

@drablos123 hat may be the case in YOUR area but don't be ignorant to the fact that people play CQB or MOUT sites where someone may turn a corner and get shot, just cause you obviously don't care about your eye safety doesn't mean everyone else shoudln't take into consideration close combat happens even if your not at one of the many CQB centers you don't realize exist

[popmerde]

what ure telling me is that no mask is safe then?

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@popmerde

See the more recent videos which show masks which do not let bb's through. Go t the auburnmedicalgroup YouTube channel.

[ThisGuysVids]

is that airsoft extreme in citrus heights?

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@ThisGuysVids

yes

[americanpaintball]

i had a chip tooth due to a bad mask =(

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@americanpaintball

It would be great if you could post a video reply to this video showing the tooth.

[americanpaintball]

@auburnmedicalgroup ill try within the next few days i already had a root canal done 3/4 of my tooth is gone if i dont put a video up ill try to put the link to my fields photobucket page they said they were going to put it on there in the mean time PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell people not to use vforce grilz for airsoft use

[KillimanjaroXD]

Aren't the JT Spectra Goggles on the Flex 8 able to be worn by themselves (without the full face mask)?

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@KillimanjaroXD

I know you can change out the lens, but I don't know if you can separate the goggles from the rest of the mask.

[Ragorxx]

is the ESS Profile with the nose Clip compatible with the Hakkotsu Iron Face Mask?

thx for any info

ps: you do realy good videos ceep them coming :)

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@Ragorxx

You can use them together, but it can be uncomfortable depending on how it fits an individual face. I don't like how they feel together on my face.

[Ragorxx]

@auburnmedicalgroup thx for the info :)

[BronzeOrwin]

All it takes is a little bit of camo cloth attached to the outside of the mask with duct tape to prevent all of these problems. (:

[bloodfartification]

if u guys know about ESS goggles they are given to the military....... and they can survive a shotgun blast from 35 feet away...... i got mine for $15 surplus at my local army navy store...... but if your going to go with any goggles go with ESS..... they are the best.

[kingd3001]

here is my 2 cent shooting someone at point blank range at the field i play is a good way to get kick off the player should be mindful and careful were they point their aeg at

[auburnmedicalgroup]

@kingd3001

Yes. Minimum engagment distances should always be observed both on and off the field. Blind firing should not occur. Magazines should be out and guns should be on safety when not on the field. Testing of safety products should be conducted as if none of the above rules were followed.

[kingd3001]

@auburnmedicalgroup I agree MID's for the field i play at 300-below 5 feet no point black shooting 300-350 15 feet 350-400 50 feet 400-450 100 feet when we leave the playing zone mags out, chamber cleared, barrel condoms on

[flipdog69xxx]

how about wearing a neoprene mask under a full face mask and goggles? good vid though.

[CharlieJulietEcho]

Oh right, I forgot to say something.

are you guys gonna test the BitterEnd airsoft goggles? I'm sure you've been asked/answered this question a thousand times, so sorry in advance :P

[auburnmedicalgroup]

Bitter End has provided a sample of their lower face mask for testing. I was pleased with its performance for dental protection. It allowed bb fragments to pass through, though. Its inability to prevent bb fragments would be unacceptable for eye protection where the eyes are much more vulnerable than teeth.

[CharlieJulietEcho]

@auburnmedicalgroup

That's great to hear! I'll probably end up wearing a balaclava under it for added protection (against coughing, haha).

Thanks for replying to my comments. It's nice to see someone who posts such useful information actually _communicating_ with their viewers.

[auburnmedicalgroup]

I can't comment specifically on that combination because we haven't tested combinations. I would love to try out a neoprene mask, but no one has sent one in for testing yet. There is always the option of the Hakkotsu Iron Face mask or the Bitter End lower face mask for lower mid-face protection.

[CharlieJulietEcho]

Wow, so paintball masks are useless for airsoft?

I've used the JT series and know that they are some of the best. But man... that sucks. Looks like the best option for full face protection in airsoft is the Hakkotsu face mask and FlakJak's.

[auburnmedicalgroup]

The JT masks tested in this video provided eye protection, but they allow bb's to pass through the lower face portion. There may be other paintball masks providing better protection, but I have not tested them yet.

[offbeatrobotics]

Hey there love what you are doing and I would like to see what you think of the Empire Vents Cylus paintball mask. Been playing airsoft for a long time now and it's far and away the best mask I've found for airsoft if you desire mouth protection, though there is one tiny spot right in the middle that a bb can get though, I can say after hundreds of games I've never had one get through. If you do some shopping around you can find them for under $40 with shipping.

[auburnmedicalgroup]

I appreciate that you have had good use of the Empire Vents Cylus. I will not be testing any more masks with holes large enough to pass a bb. I base my recommendations on that one in one-thousand shot that could get through and cost thousands of dollars in dental bills and inconvenience. Given the number of people who watch these videos, I have to keep the highest standard in what I recommend. I am concerned with protecting the ONE person who could get injured from using a particular mask.

[berger0424]

Hm, interesting. No JT Predator? That's what I use and it has saved my face so many times.

[auburnmedicalgroup]

I am not able to find a JT Predator to test. It would not be expected to provide any better protection than the Carnivore or Flex 8 if it has face openings which are not any smaller than those maasks.

[berger0424]

@auburnmedicalgroup Thank you. and I shouldn't even have posted that anyways, I think I have a raptor LOL.

[ch0k1ngh4z4rd]

It'd be nice to see this in slow motion with a high speed camera.

[MickeyWMartin]

For being masks made for paintball they held up pretty well to a much smaller projectile.

[TheSlurpeeBoy]

Those masks are originally designed for paintball, which is why the gaps are so big because the paintball woun't go through, it will just shatter and paint will go through but it allows for good ventallation

[TheSlurpeeBoy]

my sniper rules re 580 lol

[GrayArcAirsoft]

I'm going to add this to my favs list. This is information that people should find helpful. Its a very good video series. 5stars as well.

I've been into airsoft for some 10 years now. My small advice is to also find OTHER eye protection and debunk them as safe.

Work shop classes/goggles, cheap china brand glasses that come with some airsoft models, even sunglasses.

All these should be shown so people can see that they are unsafe.

Take care. Great vid

[auburnmedicalgroup]

Thanks GrayArc,

We shot video of testing a wire mesh mask and a pair of safety glasses. I will be posting these videos as future installments of Dr. Airsoft, Practical Testing.

[Raneuvfire]

i actually tested that myself and i concluded that after a number of shots, the wire mesh will eventually break. i used an airsoft gun that shot 415 fps w/ .20g bbs. not only that, some of the bbs shattered and went through the wire mesh ones.