JWQ #4: Do You Worship a "Pagan" Trinity? #1 of 4

[YoungMommy14]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... OK... the concept of a Trinity is indeed a Pagan concept dating at least 2,000 years BC. If you don't believe me, research Egyptian Paganism. Jesus never mentioned the Trinity... ever. Paul of Tarsus had a vision, and because one person... who never spoke to Jesus ever, had a vison... The majority of Christians worship a Pagan doctrine. Either way you slice it, Jesus is Lord and Saviour. It actually makes no difference...

[whatnamesnottakenyet]

The bible says when husband and wife are married, the two become one flesh right? Does that mean my wife and I are the same person?

[mytalent2]

@whatnamesnottakenyet Yes there should be, it should be created a spiritual person witch is one you and your wife.

[j4270108]

Luk 23:39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.

Luk 23:40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying,DOST NOT THOU FEAR GOD, SEEING THOU ARE IN THE SAME CONDEMNATION?

Then he asked Christ to remember him.Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

The theif called Him God and Christ instead of condemning him, PARDONED him.

[shadapple]

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. ....Video debunked at 2 minutes 13 seconds in!!!! WHOOOOOO, NEW RECORD OF EXPOSING FALSE TEACHERS........NEEEEEEXT

[MzC00ki327]

@shadapple

If that's 1 John 5:7, that's not what it says...?

[shadapple]

@MzC00ki327 LOL...It's not huh? Ummm yes it it.

[shadapple]

@shadapple Jhn 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake....If you do not understand...

[shadapple]

@MzC00ki327 ...then you are not Born again into the Spirit. How do you become one with him? Through the Spirit, through his Son. You become one with him through the Spirit. The Father, the Son and the Spirit are one. And it is how you become one with him.

[shadapple]

@MzC00ki327 Only those who are born again into the Spirit see, believe and understand. Trust me on this.

[SHEEPinWOLFskin]

Sir Isaac Newton says - Yes you do worship a pagan trinity. I agree with him.

[zakuk77]

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[zakuk77]

Complete whitewash of Christian theology:

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Top 10 reasons why Jesus Christ (pbuh) can't be God:

watch?v=YW99U4JWNEc&feature=ch­annel

[Yuratchka]

That's a weak video. Go watch the videos on my channel for REAL evidence against Jesus being the true God.

[zakuk77]

"weak"? Let's leave the judgement to the discerning readership of this page shall we :^)

[suziemay24]

Man, there's a lot of this religious debate on Youtube. Way more than I realized. The comments are highly ignorant of actual religious and secular history. By the way, Joseph Smith (the Mormon founder) got in HUGE trouble with the freemasons and the freemasons are not a cult. In fact, I laugh until I can't stop any time I hear someone say they are.

[memories4me]

a freemason starteed JW just like a freemason started mormonism and freemasonry is involved with the occult which is an abomination to Yahweh. By the way do the JW's know there is no letter "J'" in the name of Yahweh and Yahushua it wasn't even in existence until a couple of hundred years ago.

By the way Catholicism is the ancient Babylonian religion just like freemasonry. If you love Yahweh leave all organized churches none of them are of Yahweh.

[laffy4christ]

witforjesus - if only the jws would read up on ARIUS (if ancient christianity). they can just google ARIUS & see that he is the heretic (or apostate) that they follow. but instead they call the rest of the world apostates. the early christian church had 2 squelch such heresies early on as false teachings were sprouting up everywhere. that's why they had the various councils to finally define the true jesus. the trinity was not invented but just defined & named in order 2 defend the truth. thx.

[laffy4christ]

witforjesus- thank U..all your videos re: jw's & mormons R clear & bible-based.

the TRINITY is A CONCEPT TAUGHT IN THE BIBLE. if U read the bible- cover 2 cover - U will see that it is the theme. the dozens of scriptures U use 2 prove that Jesus was God in the flesh R strong ones. the jws are blinded by the wtbs publications. if jws read the bible alone without the wtbs books, they would not come up with their invented ideas of who jesus is or other ws doctrines.

God bless u & ur ministry.

[funkyboyz1980]

Luke 3:36

"Enos was the son of Seth, and Seth was the son of Adam, and Adam was the son of God." < ADAM SON OF GOD.. why dont you worship Adam too?

Romans 8:14 Paul tells us about those who are led by the spirit:

"because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God."

[fairwhether1]

"In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him."-1Jn.4:9

Christ is the *only* begotten of God. He is not created, but Adam is. That is why we don't worship Adam.

"You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus"-Gal.3:26

"he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will—"-Eph.1:5

All other sons are adopted.

[funkyboyz1980]

ummm God calls Israel his first born son.. perhaps you should start worshipping all jews then?

Exodus 4:22

"Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says the LORD, " Israel is My son, My firstborn.

[fairwhether1]

"ummm God calls Israel his first born son.. perhaps you should start worshipping all jews then?"

Why? Again, Christ is the only begotten. Do you know what begotten means? We are not to worship someone or something just because it is firstborn or a son-we worship God ;)

[funkyboyz1980]

ummm did God begot? lol.. no Mary begot ;)

[fairwhether1]

"ummm did God begot? lol.. no Mary begot ;)"

Yes, God begat :)

"I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee."-Ps.2:7

"So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee."-Heb.5:5

[funkyboyz1980]

ummmm btw.. since you're trying to point out the meanings of 'begot' for me.. u will be well served to compare 'begot' with ' my firstborn' .. both = bioligcal son technically... but in this case only on a spiritual level. Those walk the way to God, obey His commandments are one with God. Jesus was no other.

[fairwhether1]

Not sure the point you're trying to make here...

[funkyboyz1981]

Acts 13:10

and said, "You who are full of all deceit and fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease to make crooked the straight ways of the Lord

notice the 'son of devil'?

John 8:44

" You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father

notice Jesus says those who do the desires of the devil are 'sons of the devil.' likewise.. 'son of God' those do the desires of God. like Jesus. not begot but doing the desires of God

[fairwhether1]

What do you think scripture means when it calls Jesus the "only begotten Son of God"?

[funkyboyz1980]

begotten is an addition.. Doesnt Jesus clarify it himself?

John 10

32Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?"

 33The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." 34Jesus answered them, "Has it not been written in your Law, 'I SAID, YOU ARE GODS'?

( who says you are gods? God calls the 'jews' gods )

[fairwhether1]

"begotten is an addition..."

Could you please explain what you mean by this? Thanks!

[funkyboyz1980]

1 John 5:7For there are three that testify: 8the[a] Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement

[a] Foot note

1 John 5:8 Late manuscripts of the Vulgate testify in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. 8 And there are three that testify on earth: the (not found in any Greek manuscript before the sixteenth century)

even your bible admits it has been added too.. that is the only line that comes closest to the concept of trinity

[fairwhether1]

I'm sorry...are you saying that begotten is the same as testifying...not sure of the point you're trying to make. I've asked you to please explain what you mean when you said: "begotten is an addition..." Thanks!

[funkyboyz1980]

begotten is an addition.. the likeness of Jesus is the likeness of Adam... If God so wills it.. all He says is 'be' and it is... He didnt need to beget Adam nor did He need to beget Jesus.. for God .. all He does is will it. Hinduism says God is one.. but the so many faces of God you find is God taking alternate forms and incarnations.. Chrisitanity is doing the same .. when Jesus clearly says

'I can of my own do NOTHING' a God that cant do nothing of His own will.. please..

[fairwhether1]

"begotten is an addition.. the likeness of Jesus is the likeness of Adam... If God so wills it.. all He says is 'be' and it is... He didnt need to beget Adam nor did He need to beget Jesus.."

So then why does the Bible call Jesus God's "ONLY BEGOTTEN" Son?

[funkyboyz1980]

umm.. he doesnt actually.. like i said.. Christ himself denied it.. so why would God say it.. if God did then why would Christ deny it..

Mark 14 Again the high priest asked him, "Are you the Christ,[a] the Son of the Blessed One?" 62"I am," said Jesus. "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One ... again he calls himself son of man

Numbers 23:19

God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind

[fairwhether1]

"umm.. he doesnt actually.. like i said.. Christ himself denied it.. so why would God say it.. if God did then why would Christ deny it.."

No, scripture-and Jesus himself-says that he is the *ONLY BEGOTTEN* Son :)

"I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee."-Ps.2:7

"So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee."-Heb.5:5

Jn.3:16-18

[funkyboyz1980]

So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee."-Heb.5:5

God saying he begot christ years after christ is born? dont even make sense. The virgin alone begot Christ with the blessings of God Almighty.

Hear o Israel, your Lord is one God.

i can of my own do ((nothing))

Why thou callest me good. Only God is good.

clearly he denies divinity. clearly he says only God is good not i

[funkyboyz1980]

i would love to agree with you just for the sake of argument. 2 things stop me though you say Jesus is equal Jesus says Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God (right there he says im not equal to God) Jesus saviour for all? John5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing and Matthew7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father

[fairwhether1]

funkyboyz1980, I have showed you where scripture-and Jesus himself-says that he is the *ONLY BEGOTTEN* Son of God.

Now will you answer the question? I am not asking you to agree, just to answer the question :)

Why does the Bible call Jesus God's "ONLY BEGOTTEN" Son?

[funkyboyz1980]

it is the christian position which is gravely in error. they say because Jesus had no father, his father was God. But they convenienly forget God Almighty created Adam without a mother or a father. God Almighty created Eve from Adam (a man giving birth is a bigger miracle). Like Adam Jesus is the 'word' of God Almighty. God said 'be' and Jesus was. For God to create something all He does is command it to be and it is. the begotten son of God dying for the sins of all is a pagan roman concept.

[fairwhether1]

You have still not answered the question:

Why does the Bible call Jesus God's "ONLY BEGOTTEN" Son?

[funkyboyz1980]

Luke 11:27

While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, " Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed."

who is the blessed one..? God or Mary..? God blessed.. people are blessed by God.

[funkyboyz1980]

Mary was blessed.. blessed by God.. through out.. first her mothers prayer were answered by her conception of Mary.. then Mary was blessed by the news of a 'word' from God.. What was the 'word'? 'be' and Jesus was, just like Adam. Mary was blessed by a son who was one of the mightiest messengers of God. Mary was blessed with a child who from his cradle defended her honor. Mary was blessed with a child who confirmed she was chosen above all women of this earth. Blessed indeed is she

[dimthelight]

Get a bible with the calendars it MOON time reading.. Don't buy cheap bibles

[funkyboyz1980]

35"If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),

 36do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?

(how am i blaspheming when God himself refers to those to whom the word of God came as 'gods'. the title i given to me 'son of God' is less then what God Himself has given those who follow his word 'gods'

[funkyboyz1980]

AND IT SHALL BE THAT EVERYONE WHO CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.'

isnt this your doctrine today?

Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in urmidst, just as u urself know-- (Acts 2:21-22)

( a man attested by God)

Hosea 13:4

Yet I have been the LORD ur God Since the land of Egypt;And u were not to know any god except Me,For there is no savior besides Me.

[funkyboyz1980]

umm the bible dont preach trinity.. neither does it preach Jesus is son of God.. in literal meaning.... '''God is not man that He should lie, nor is He the son of man that He should change his mind ''' (numbers 23:19) - 1) Jesus refers to himself as the son of man all through the bible.

2) in disobeying the commandments of one God, of eating pork and of saying free salvation your argument is the OT was cancelled by the NT. Clearly the above verse says ' God doesnt change His mind '

[fairwhether1]

"The beginning of the gospel about Jesus Christ, the Son of God."-Mk.1:1

"The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God."-Lk.1:35

"They all asked, "Are you then the Son of God?" He replied, "You are right in saying I am."-Lk.22:70

"The Jews insisted, "We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God."-Jn.19:7

[Karinelenika]

The concept IS NOT there! Why? Because the concept started to be invented in the 2nd century when the NT was already concluded. I can refute all excuses on the vid.

[witforjesus]

Let encourage all to check out my book "Yes You Should Believe in the Trinity" posted free online on my website at 4witness dot org. To find it click on the JW Topics link "Trinity" subject. Then click on the "Response to Should You Believe in the Trinity?" link and that will take you to the book's table of contents.

[armedwithtruth]

The trinity doctrine teaches a false Christ - different from what Jesus taught about himself.

Augustine Said: "The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the Trinity. He who would try to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind. But he who would deny the Trinity will lose his soul"

Basically, ACCEPT THE TRINITY DOCTRINE OR ELSE?

To merely accept it as doctrine WITHOUT PROVING IT - is CONTRARY TO SCRIPTURE - "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good" (I Thes. 5:21)

[cbntmn]

This video, while informative, still does not prove the Trinity is real. There are logical holes in the scriptures explained and how they are explained. In fact some of them lein more towards the idea of 3 seperate entities than a trinity. I agree that these videos have great value but this doctrine, per this video, still leaves serious questions

[fairwhether1]

Howso?

[martoq2005]

the opinion of Augustine is His opinion, don´t try to apologize using opinions, although they come from a very wise person. The Bible declare clearly the doctrine... studying the Bible is a very good way to get it.

[jbmphoto]

let the honest-hearted person see that it has to be this way, you really can't make it any clearer, very well done

[fairwhether1]

Romans 8:9-Great scripture!

You have done a wonderful job in these videos :)