@KapsTheLocks I think you misunderstood slightly here - ababgryorc was saying that they "might as well" have been writing for Tom Waits, ie that the song is perfect for Tom Waits despite the fact that obviously it was written far too early to have actually been created with him in mind...
Me gusta esta versión tambien, al igual que la de Waits. No tiene mucho que ver quien o con que medios lo cante, en realidad son siempre Weill y Brecth...
I like this version too... [nah, go learn Spanish]
Me gusta esta versión tambien, al igual que la de Waits. No tiene mucho que ver quien o con que medios lo cante, en realidad son siempre Weill y Brecth...
I like this version too... [nah, go learn Spanish]
B.Brechts words ring with immortal truth, no matter who mouths them. How underappreciated this man is! I think he is a culture hero and that the 3d Opera is his Manifesto. 'Mankind is kept alive by bestial acts,'. There it is 4 you Christian guys. Always remember that 'Food is the first thing, Morals follow on...' Keep Bertolts words loud in yr ears and you can't go far wrong IMHO. A worldly man.
Eew, he WAS a marxist though, AND a materialist? Casts his statements in a rather creepier light.
"The creative faculty, the god-power, is not used here with anything less than literalness. When beauty was created by a godly mind, beauty existed, as surely as the paintings of Botticelli or the concerti of Vivaldi exist. When mercy was created, mercy existed. When guilt was created, guilt existed. Out of a meaningless and pointless existence, we have made meaning and purpose..."
@Jcolinsol Brecht's words reveal a practical concern for the well being of the sans culottes, those on the bottom who have no voice, and whether he is called a Marxist, a humanist or a dog makes no difference to the messages he delivered. He wd not support Marxism if he saw it's current face & was not a bad person, materialist or no. I'm not an academic or an apologist, but I think yr quote is rather out of context.
True that, true that. I think that the poem has really important things to say, I was just weirded out to learn that he was a Marxist, I mean you hear Marxists talk about property or individuality, and it can be pretty disturbing. I think that any real concern has to be for the individuals, not for an abstracted collective, you could certainly interpret this poem as being a justification for the worst atrocities of Stalinism, though I think it's being more ironic than that.
"... I was just weirded out to learn that he was a Marxist ..."
"... Marx discovered the law of development of human history: the simple fact, hitherto concealed by an overgrowth of ideology, that mankind must first of all eat, drink, have shelter and clothing, before it can pursue politics, science, art, religion, etc.; ..." Engels "Speech at Marx' Funeral"
"... Food is the first thing, morals follow on ..." Brecht
Somehow it's actually difficult to be more Marxist than this.
Well, presumably there is more to Marx's philosophy than "food is the first thing, morals follow on". Mostly I'm creep-ed out by materialism, and reductionism, particularly when talking about individual human beings.
I'll admit to being biased: The PSB have long been one of my favorite groups. Nevertheless, just having heard Waits's version tonight, I gotta say I still prefer the Boys on this one.
Richard Coles of The Communards played most of the keyboard parts for this because he had the ability that Chris Lowe didn't (he could sight read and play it in the Latino style that they were chasing).
Hey, it's not Kurt Weill, but it's still pretty good. They most certainly did something new with the song. I like the Tom Waits' version better of course, simply because it's in keeping with the original music. But then Breht and Weill might as well have been writing for Tom Waits, no?
Where's the passion?
Pittsisamazing 1 month ago
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RafaelDivoz 2 months ago
@anangryorc oh no, they did not write for Tom Waits. The Threepenny Opera was much earlier.
KapsTheLocks 3 months ago
@KapsTheLocks I think you misunderstood slightly here - ababgryorc was saying that they "might as well" have been writing for Tom Waits, ie that the song is perfect for Tom Waits despite the fact that obviously it was written far too early to have actually been created with him in mind...
MrMistofales 3 months ago
Tom Waits is much better.
DrSpamproductions 9 months ago
@DrSpamproductions William Burroughs' version is the best.
friendlier 3 months ago
The worst thing PSB have ever done. Atom Splitting is better than this dreck, but at least they didn't write it.
betweenthreeislands 1 year ago
Me gusta esta versión tambien, al igual que la de Waits. No tiene mucho que ver quien o con que medios lo cante, en realidad son siempre Weill y Brecth...
I like this version too... [nah, go learn Spanish]
wilsoonx 1 year ago
Me gusta esta versión tambien, al igual que la de Waits. No tiene mucho que ver quien o con que medios lo cante, en realidad son siempre Weill y Brecth...
I like this version too... [nah, go learn Spanish]
wilsoonx 1 year ago
People don't get the brilliant irony of opposing the heavy lyrics and the cheesy broadway/lloyd weber style.
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cadwern 1 year ago
Tom Waits (who I dearly love) is certainly an archetype of the criminal underclass, like Mackie Messer.
slessorpr 1 year ago
B.Brechts words ring with immortal truth, no matter who mouths them. How underappreciated this man is! I think he is a culture hero and that the 3d Opera is his Manifesto. 'Mankind is kept alive by bestial acts,'. There it is 4 you Christian guys. Always remember that 'Food is the first thing, Morals follow on...' Keep Bertolts words loud in yr ears and you can't go far wrong IMHO. A worldly man.
slessorpr 1 year ago
@slessorpr
Eew, he WAS a marxist though, AND a materialist? Casts his statements in a rather creepier light.
"The creative faculty, the god-power, is not used here with anything less than literalness. When beauty was created by a godly mind, beauty existed, as surely as the paintings of Botticelli or the concerti of Vivaldi exist. When mercy was created, mercy existed. When guilt was created, guilt existed. Out of a meaningless and pointless existence, we have made meaning and purpose..."
Jcolinsol 1 year ago
@Jcolinsol Brecht's words reveal a practical concern for the well being of the sans culottes, those on the bottom who have no voice, and whether he is called a Marxist, a humanist or a dog makes no difference to the messages he delivered. He wd not support Marxism if he saw it's current face & was not a bad person, materialist or no. I'm not an academic or an apologist, but I think yr quote is rather out of context.
slessorpr 1 year ago
@slessorpr
True that, true that. I think that the poem has really important things to say, I was just weirded out to learn that he was a Marxist, I mean you hear Marxists talk about property or individuality, and it can be pretty disturbing. I think that any real concern has to be for the individuals, not for an abstracted collective, you could certainly interpret this poem as being a justification for the worst atrocities of Stalinism, though I think it's being more ironic than that.
Jcolinsol 1 year ago
@Jcolinsol
"... I was just weirded out to learn that he was a Marxist ..."
"... Marx discovered the law of development of human history: the simple fact, hitherto concealed by an overgrowth of ideology, that mankind must first of all eat, drink, have shelter and clothing, before it can pursue politics, science, art, religion, etc.; ..." Engels "Speech at Marx' Funeral"
"... Food is the first thing, morals follow on ..." Brecht
Somehow it's actually difficult to be more Marxist than this.
drkuczynski 1 year ago
@drkuczynski
Well, presumably there is more to Marx's philosophy than "food is the first thing, morals follow on". Mostly I'm creep-ed out by materialism, and reductionism, particularly when talking about individual human beings.
Jcolinsol 1 year ago
@Jcolinsol What's creepy about that?
Zekkron 9 months ago
Well, it's different, but I love synthpop.
thegorillasnake 1 year ago
me gusta la cancion original y este cover de los psb!!!
what the problem?
Magcn7 1 year ago
I'll admit to being biased: The PSB have long been one of my favorite groups. Nevertheless, just having heard Waits's version tonight, I gotta say I still prefer the Boys on this one.
fractalchez 2 years ago 2
Just another version from the music of Kurt Weill... One of many.
ogygia 2 years ago 2
Richard Coles of The Communards played most of the keyboard parts for this because he had the ability that Chris Lowe didn't (he could sight read and play it in the Latino style that they were chasing).
TheRocker777 2 years ago
Hey, it's not Kurt Weill, but it's still pretty good. They most certainly did something new with the song. I like the Tom Waits' version better of course, simply because it's in keeping with the original music. But then Breht and Weill might as well have been writing for Tom Waits, no?
anangryorc 2 years ago 12
tom waits is much better, he makes fucking brilliant music
Sporeadam 2 years ago 18