@AsG1989 - How can this be a good example when the kick boxer may only have a couple of weeks of training? A good example would be against someone who has experience.
wow in2food your retarted. the tecnique is a defensive one even a seasoned fighter like you said were to go he'd still lose. the hand placement is ment to no attack but if they have to they can.
The so-called kick boxer was horrible. And if that Wing Chun practitioner had executed that way with a seasoned quality fighter he would have gotten his butt kicked. He was so open so many times I lost count....
@in2food you obviously dont understand anything about fighting let alone wing chun. every time the kickboxing dude kicked or punched, the wing chun guy either mirrored him by stepping back, or he met it head on and stopped it. distance control 101, he would have won a real fight as soon as he stopped any of those
Wing Chun can only respond to what is coming at him. Which in this case was not very much. Anyways, "seasoned quality fighter" whatever that means...I wonder if you are talking about sport fighting? Wing Chun is superior if trained correctly and over time. As soon as one attacks they provide the opportunity to destroy them in one second. Its the truth, Ruth. You are GIVING your body to the advanced Wing Chun practitioner as soon as you make in move that will put you in striking distance.
@donkey1894 I know Wing Chun is a very powerful and effective technique. It is for this reason that so many of the world champion full contact fighters are Wing Chun practitioners... Oh, wait...........
Sigh..."Sport fighting" I already covered that topic. Moron. Try to understand things as they ARE, not as your small defensive-reactive-infantile mind unfortunately squeaks, groans, and sputters in attempts to vainly make sense of them. I will try one more time, even though the distinction between fighting "system" and a fighting "sport" was already raised: 3/4 of what we learn in Wing Chun is completely illegal in what you call "world champion full contact" Get it? Sorry Bro. You lose.
@in2food (con't) "world champion full contact fighters" are sport fighters, and they have to fight within a set of rules. Wing Chun is a far more advanced fighting system, not meant at all for sports. We cannot fight in world champions because the majority of our techniques are explicitly banned. Instead of sounding like an ass, Do take the time to study the rulebook:
I can't post a URL on youtube, but simply type in "MMA rules" on google and you will see. You are into sports.
@in2foodOh my god. None. None were demonstrated in this video you utter moron. You are missing the point by about twenty miles. You really are a simple minded clucker, aren't you? If you can't realize you have been defeated in an argument, I suggest you enroll in a college and take a basic classic class on rhetoric. You can't understand a simple point that I have now made three times now. Have fun with your sports. I'm done with you. It's a shame the world is populated by so many morons.
@donkey1894 I would suggest it is you who are simple-minded. It is you who is demonstrating a lack of understanding when it comes to rhetoric. After all, you responded to my clearly rhetorical question as if it were non rhetorical. Perhaps I can suggest a college course to you. Irony in argument #101. Have a nice self-absorbed Wing Chun is a mystical super-human skill and everything else sucks life.....
@in2food Ha! Back peddling! We study that shit in Wing Chung. Keep making assumptions. You dig a deeper hole. Don't worry about Waking up and facing the most simple minded black and white fact that Wing Chun is not used in World Champion ship fighting because important moves are illegal. There is nothing mystical about it except if you base your understanding on movies. We train to strike the throat or groin first in 80 percent of the moves. This illegal in MMA. So we cannot compete.
I could not agree more , If you take a system like Wing Chun that was meant only for the street, you place in a ring,give it rules and limitations ,it no longer is Wing Chun.whenever I see Wing Chun versus some other system on youtube it only annoys me,for the better or worse .So i say to my brothers trying to prove something ,Keep it out of Ring Stop trying to show who's the best and you'll always be a winner.
@Shamm2010"must see:Wing Chun vs Freestyle Kickboxing'' its an absolute Joke ,keep it out of the ring boys, if its a SPAR then lets learn and have some fun,.There are many skilled fighters of all walks of life,therefore I respect all and learn from all ,therefore i say to all who love Wing Chun stop shamming this powerful system of martial arts,the problem is not been beating ,the problem is always me or you trying to compete ,its not a competition, its a service to humanity and ourselves.
@donkey1894 Hey, I train wing chun also. Don't forget, if those muey thai guys aimed for the soft spots, we'd be in trouble, too. A trained martial artist is exactly that. We all have to show each other respect.
The only thing you have to look at, is the foot work of both gentlemen. In my humble opinion you can see the guy in the white Tshirt has superior foot work. He is very centered where as the guy in the black shirt looks almost gangly. Is that a product inherent in Kick Boxing? Or is he inexperienced compared to the wing chun guy?
@neils68 - No that guy has no experience. If you want to see a real kick boxer watch Ramon Dekkers, Buakaw and many more you will notice varying styles. Footwork varies from region to region within Thailand and then across the world. Depends on the instructors background. Thai focus strictly on brutalizing your opponents.
@neils68 - Here is what friendly sparring looks like:
/watch?v=Lx4WeGm08Pk
Sparring begins after the ThaiPad work. (2 minute mark) - As sparring continuous it gets harder and harder, but these guys maintained their power level at 50%. Although sparring does get harder in most cases.
@neils68 Seems to me experience was the factor here. The Wing Chun guy just seemed to have better reflexes and strategy than the kickboxer. WC guy was calm and conserved his energy for until he needed (which is usual WC strategy), but some the kickboxer's kicks had me raising my eyebrow at times. Like @0:43, he just threw a high front kick in the air from at least 2ft away. Good physical conditioning, but just seemed a bit green. It's not always what you have, it's what you do with it.
@MrMZaccone No stress, I wasn't disputing what style he uses, if he's not then he's not. I was really talking about fighting IQ, decision making, and reaction time being the deciding factor here, that's all.
@deek77 The deciding factor here seemed to be directness and yes, decision making which is one thing Wing chun is pretty good at. Kickboxing is good at it too there just wasn't any of that here.
@slickrick134 - Wing Chun kicks are terrible. Their only meant for basic defence and pose no significant risk to their opponents. SIFI Chris Chan was probably mocking Wing Chun while taking back some Chine White when he made that comment.
@iApna First of all 1:32. Second of all, don't spew your insolent criticisms at ME via YouTube comments; tell Sifu Chris Chan yo' daamn self. Monday, Wednesday nights 20th and Irving in SF, CA. He'll be there I guarantee it.
this has nothing to do with wing chun being better, this has to do with the kickboxer thinking he's the shit and that repetitive high kicks and using spin kicks as an initial attack are a good idea.
kick boxing dude is a little baby with no skills, i've been studying karate, greek wrestling, judo and kick boxing, i think kick boxing and muai thai are the best (except wing chun may be), i rly want ot try wing chun, but it's kind of hard to find such scool/trainer in my country.
u see when u guys say styles u know i mean no offense but this is my opioin i feel like u mean like a guy who trains kempo have 5 arms and 5 legs u know its bad to say the best styles or any other expression in the end its all martial arts....every human has a way of fighting like u learn wing chun u make ur style just like bruce lee
its not the style that matters its the practioner!when we tell style we mean martial arts ofc not sports like bjj,mma,box,kcik box because martial arts vs sport martial arts win most of the time!exept if you are 2 meters and strong like a bull then there is 50-50
I am from Greece and i'm practicing wing chun for 5 year now and I also beat a kickboxing friend of mine in a sparring. And he does kickboxing for 9 years!!!
@zeprecht Boxing is primarily a sport. Wing Chun is a fighting style that was used by people on the battlefield to kill each other. A good boxer fighting a good wing chun-ist would get thier leg broken; as they have no training to defend againced kicks.
@TheAncestorX - A good boxer fighting a good Wing Chun practitioner is funny. A Wing Chun practitioner would have his face smashed, ribs broken and possibly die from head trauma. Watch a few clips of old school Mike Tyson or current fighters like Manny. Wing Chun footwork is far too slow and their is no power in their punches compared to boxers. Granted Boxers have zero leg defence but Wing Chunners are crap kickers to take advantage of a boxers weakness.
@iApna The wing chun punch when done properly has more power than a boxers roundhouse. Watch mike tyson punch someone and see how far they're body moves. Then watch Bruce lee do a 1 inch punch and see how far the body moves. Taking into account that it requires more energy to move a mass a greater distance you can work out which is more powerful. Wing Chun footwork is slow, but as we aim to get inside the oppenents defence, we dont hop in and out of range like boxers, we move in and stay in.
@TheAncestorX - You're seriously delusional. Boxers condition themselves to take punishment. So the reason you don't see boxers move when another boxer hits them is because they are accustom to it. If you or I were to take a punch from Mike Tyson with no gloves, we would likely die after flying back 30 ft with extreme brain damage and collapsing of the bones in our face. Bruce Lee's 1 inch punch was great but was not more powerful than a boxers punch.
@iApna Bruce Lee's one inch punch was from one inch. What happens when he increases that distance? He was just trying demonstrate human capabilities from short distance. For example, in UFC, alot of the time fighters are up against the fence or on the ground. If you can hit them at that distance with the power of a boxer's long range punch, I think its worth looking into Tai Chi or Wing Chun just for that aspect. Technique wise, traditional MA fails to get with the times.
@simonmafy - I would imagine the punching power would not change all that much. A conventional punch measures at 325lbs of force while the One inch punch measures at 153lbs - The one inch punch would not hurt professional fighters (nor me for that matter). You need over 240lbs of force to knock someone out. MMA fighter Cain delivers a hook punch at 2230lbs of force (that could kill you). Elbows and knees deliver much more force and more effective than punching in close quarter combat.
@iApna Right, but Wing Chun does have elbows. Knees? not so much..but can be added if the fighter's not too stubborn. The one inch power is not exclusive to only punches. It can be elbows, it can be shoulders, it can the chests, it can the abs, it can be the legs. The inch power is just a tool to help refine body mechanics and relaxation. Besides, if 153ibs of force is enough to knock a guy into a chair and make it slide, then its still useful. Bruce lee's size? thats impressive.
@simonmafy - The one inch punch is impressive. But its not the best technique for the example you gave me. Wing Chun and just about every art has elbow/knees, kicks etc... But the mechanics vary from art to art. Thai boxing is known for its devastating striking techniques, aggressive training style and fighter development. Take a look at Ramon Dekkers and compare him to some of Wing Chun's best. There really is no comparison.
@simonmafy - But also remember fighting isn't just about who can punch the hardest or knows the best martial-art technique. Fighting is a game where 75% of it is psychological. Take for instance Mantis vs. blackbelt clip below. The black belt got played. In a real fight, Mantis would have put his fist through his skull.
@iApna Right, and I can assure you, he would be so much faster and efficient with his power if he understood relaxation. Why is it that light weight fighters are so much faster? One reason is because they have less muscle - in other words less muscle tension. Why was Bruce Lee so much stronger then most people in his weight division? Its not because he's "stronger", its because he's more efficient with his strength.
@simonmafy - Hopefully all arts teach relaxation. My Thai instructor talks about relaxation all the time. Otherwise it would be too hard to fight your opponent when you're restricting your own movements by being tense. Thai training is very intense so learning to relaxed while being shit kicked important.
Big muscles simply take more energy to move, its not because of tension.
@simonmafy Bruce Lee was stronger than who? There is nothing to prove how strong Bruce Lee was. WTF is up with all this Bruce Lee bs? His weight lifted was nothing special, and there is nothing he did to show how strong he was or was not. He made movies. Grow up.
@iApna Technique wise, Wing Chun is pretty outdated. Compound trapping is bullshit. Body mechanic wise, Wing Chun is still pretty up to date. Here are the basics explanations of relexation.
/watch?v=SSTrANc1Gn0
Now I do agree with you that fighting is also psychological. I train in Jeet Kune Do, and the concept of feinting/faking is awesome. The concept of being elusive to be non telegraphic is awesome. The concept of broken rhythm is awesome. All revolves around manipulation.
@TheAncestorX - Consider this as well - If a Wing Chunner's punching abilities were much more dominate than that of boxers, don't you think out of the hundreds of thousands of Wing Chun practitioners we would have someone representing the art? Wing Chun is "OK" for street application and give noobs a chance to defend themselves. When confronted by a Pro-Fighter, its a whole different game. Your best defense would be to run, or suffer broken limbs, possibly death.
@iApna Representing the art? As in what? It's not a sport, hence why its not in the olypics. Your right it does allow "noobs" to defend themselves which speaks volumes in it's self. If someone who doesnt spend every waking hour in the gym or sparing can defend themselves then it proves that the art works. And any amature boxer would get destroyed by a pro-fighter as well... it's all down to the individual's dedication. TBH who's gonna get in a fight with a pro-fighter on the way home from work?
@TheAncestorX - First I think its much more than just the individual. It take the right coach, who has real-world fighting experience and who has developed fighters. Then the individuals passion to learn, comes into play. Take a look at the nine year olds who fight in Thailand. Fighter or coaching? The chance of running into experienced fighters today is far greater than it used to be. Simply learning Wing Chun without learning to fight is quite useless against real fighters amateur or not.
@TheAncestorX - Many inexperienced practitioners here will claim its all about the fighter. But in reality it takes a good coach who can train all aspects of fighting. Technique means very little if you can't fight. Most Wing Chun SIFU have zero fight experience.
@iApna Agreed about having a good coach, as with everything there are good teachers and bad teachers. If your teacher doesn't know what he's doing or is teaching it for the wrong reasons then your handicapped to begin with, whatever your technique.
Dude i know their just sparring, but the idea of being in the gym putting 2 great techniques againgst each other in battle is amazing. Wing Chun is so incredible
@tommyguns5fam llulz, I love how you're using these numbers so loosely leaping from 10 to 15 like it's nothing. I mean, anyone, and I do mean ANYONE would have their hands full with 2 or 3 guys but you make it sound like throwing in there 5 more guys is a walk in the park. The only you could take town 10 to 15 guys at close range is with a freaking gun...and even then, you'd probably be in trouble. Life is not a movie.
@CacaLauncher23 bruce lee took down people with his wing chun like 10 or 15 people even ip man and wing chun herself did soo its not impossible and just because u think i saw the movie ip man doesent mean squat plus those movies were base on his real life he delt with
seems like some nice relaxing sparring session. that high kick towards head really could've been a gamebreaker though. don't know what the wing chun was doing holding his arms that low and having no reaction to the kick. also he went too much into the sparring game and movement mimicking the movement of the kickboxer rather than using directness to overpower his opponent. those big gloves must've been dragging his arms down as wing chun guys typically don't have big biceps (only triceps) lol
@fuzziosh18 i believe nobody can represent anything else but only themselves as martial artists. your motion belongs only to you and so does your brain functions. only official representatives of countries or companies can be representatives
I was sparing with a wing chun guy and all I did was come in hands up chin down and I didnt even feel those punches. I notice they have a hard time blocking upper cuts and hooks.
@b7r7u7c7e Well, boxing is great and simple, it's not easy to spar with a boxer if you just practice on wing chun students and don't do much against boxers arsenal of punches. The last really comes down to which WC lineage you are learning. example, William Cheungs wing chun (the one that most ignorant people call useless and stupid) puts great deal in defence againts hooks and uppercuts. That lineage also has biu (bil) sau which is by far the best defence against a hook punch.
wing chun is one of the greatest martial arts in the world! i mean dont get me wrong i also respect all fighting martial art skills but im a wing chun guy
The way see it, most 'fights' are with drunken bozo's in or outside a bar, or fending off some idiot criminal or mugger...and how many of those are going to be a kung fu master or whatever? Surely proficiency at wing chun in such a situation is all you could ever ask for in terms of self defence. Whether one style is better or not is really just academic...Bruce Lee had a lot to say on that topic :p
@markthode agreed! any style can beat any other style. Its all a matter of how disciplined you are, your judgement, and how the style suits YOU. You could categorize styles and say that some are easier to learn at first, or that some are more offensively structured etc. But at the end of the day you only need one good hit to take someone out.
@mockhazzard However, any style can fit any person if that individual applies himself well enough to learning and disciplining himself to make good judgement in a fight while applying all the skills he/she learned.
@markthode haha touche. onlywhere else i can think of in the ancient wars where hand to hand or sword/spear etc fighting played a part of. and there's no country quite as warlike than china was, hence the long history and evolution of different ways to fight. only the strongest survived here also
The thing is, boxing and kickboxing are designed to fall within strict rules, so it can't defend against other fighting styles very well. In martial art's like wing-chun there are no rules, so there is a counter to almost anything.
@nick945 There are no rules in WC? As a dude who trains WC for quite some time now, there are rules. Many of them. Depends on the school and lineage that you train under.
He's very right. There are no rules in Wing Chun. Zero. Zip. Zilch. It's designed to allow each practitioner to apply it differently, according to their own personalities and personal fighting styles. I've also been studying Wing Chun for quite some time, and I'm not sure who is teaching you, but they're doing it wrong. A street fight has no rules. Wing Chun was designed 100% for the street.
@MaestroDraven WC was designed for the street? :) Come on dude. The art we both study is of literally [i said literally] no use in a street fight, no matter what your Sifu/trainer tells you. It just isn't. How are there no rules in WC? Or even more important, how is there no stance? The 'ridding a goat' stance. Some may call it differently, but it is a stance. The WC I'm learning is traditional. There is a stance, and there are rules. And my Si Fu is from the William Cheung lineage - [1/2]
Ouch. If you believe that then you're being taught by a VERY bad Sifu. I've personally hung out with William Cheung, dude. I know what his style is, and it's not that. The very concept of WC is based around the fact that you cannot possibly anticipate what's going to happen in a fight. Whoever your teacher is, fire him, stop paying him money, and go study with someone else. I've learned mainland style mixed with Yip Man and it's 100% opposite of what you're saying.
@MaestroDraven Heh. Listen. No matter what your say, or I say back, we are both still going to think the same, which is, understandable, and, normal. But let me just say one thing, if you think that WC is going to be practical in a street fight against say, two muggers, then you're wrong. WC by itself won't be enough. It simply won't. And please, don't think it will. However, if you're on a high rank, then, y'know, maybe you do know a thing or two on how to behave in a str. fight, so good for u.
Buddy, I've seen WC against three opponents. Two security guards who learned with me currently bounce at some of Toronto's roughest bars. The fights don't last long. One got jumped by three guys at a time, and it was the most fluid and effortless thing I've ever seen. He just kept moving from one, to the other, to the other. By the time it was over, they were slumped unconscious over tables with broken teeth. You're 100% wrong, and you've been taught wrong.
The funniest thing is how people can come on here, lie about knowing Wing Chun, and say that a martial art which was designed exclusively for a no-rules street fight was.......never designed for a no-rules street fight. I shake my head in dismay. You sound like another guy on here who claimed that WC was "one of the most rigid martial arts in the world," when in fact it is one of the most fluid and relaxed, and was designed that way. You can't fool a WC expert, don't try.
@MaestroDraven Just seen two other comments you posted. I'm not one of those MMA maniacs. I DO NOT think WC is a bad martial art, as a matter of fact, I think it's amazing, and it is fluid and relaxed. As a matter of fact, I'll be more then willing to prove to you that I know Wing Chun, and indeed am a practitioner. You on the other hand, treat me as an imbecile, you have no real argument, and the only thing you're so sure of is that I'm a liar. I am not. And I am more then willing to prove that
And why the f*** would I even lie? What would I get from that? Respect from Youtubers? I can die a happy man with recognition from the world wide web MA masters. Please. Just because I have a different view on things does not make me a liar, nor does it make my Sifu an idiot who is trying to scam me of my money. That is a very shallow and idiotic way to view at things.
@MaestroDraven So he should know a thing or two. If you take away all those things, all of 'em, what you end up is something that isn't Wing Chun. You can see tons of videos of that amalgamation on YouTube, where fighters mix several stances/punches/attacks, and call it WC. As for the stance --> search Google for 'wing chun ridding a goat'. I'd link it here but YT won't post a comment with the link in it.
I don't use Google to get information about Wing Chun. I've been taught by a 20 year Grand Master and I know all there is to know about the martial art, thank you very much. If you live in the Toronto area, I'll be happy to teach you......for free, literally.
There is no evidence, just some foolishness you managed to dig up. The fact that you're relying on Google for WC information after saying that you've actually learned the art inside and out just proves my point. You're lying. Any WC practitioner would be saying the precise opposite of what you'd said, unless they got bilked by a guy who claimed to be an actual Sifu. Either way, you're building a horrible case for yourself and only reinforcing my initial, correct statements. Ciao.
@MaestroDraven Foolishness? What else could I do when you didn't believe me that there is a stance. You do the same, and you will find more then just one 'foolish' link. What you're saying now is completely without an argument. I never said I learned the art inside and out. [please quote me on that one] I said I am a practitioner, and I am. I'm not lying. That is a big accusation, a very big one. And, I'm not being bilked by some random guy, he is a real sifu.
@MaestroDraven How can you even be so sure that I'm lying? Just because I'm not blinded by the idea that Wing Chun can completely defend me on the street, does not mean I'm not being teached by a real Sifu, or that I'm lying. If I were a liar, I think I would've simply backed down from this argument a long time ago.
That kickboxer must have just started training. Hes making so many mistakes and he barely has any balance. That Wing Chun guy would have gotten destroyed by a real kickboxer.
You are either a troll, or a 12 year old trying to troll. Or some combination of the two. The only thing I can see you kickboxing is your little brother, when he takes the cheetohs.
@DiesIstGrammarNazi Dam...!!! I hate it when folk find out im a 12 year old troll.... can anybody anywhere...show me a clip on youtube of a WingChun man beating a skilled fighter ,a pro MMA fighter or a pro Muaythai. You wont find because they never will, plenty clips of them sparring idiots like in this clip tho, plenty clips of them getting flattened agaisnt skilled fighters , early ufc had no rules apart from eye gouges & fish hooking, Sifu Cancio got flattened, Joe Sayah got flattened in K1
great job jamming those stupid ass kicks, people forget that wing chun doesnt just sit around, even though we dont strike until we intercept one of theirs, we still jam the opponent especially if we block a kick to prevent another kick from being landed
Im Back...be afraid...be very afraid, Wing Chun is a piss weak style that only train spotters & mammys boys train in...they all sit in there rooms, watching stars wars dvds & mammy brings them tea up,they usually have a big stash of porno mags hidden under there beds,they are terrified of any real full contact fighting like MMA or "real kickboxing" they prefer to play patty cake games...the kickboxer in this clip is embarrassingly shit, punch shy, terrible footwork, hes never sparred hard either
@1fitkbox@1fitkbox uhh.....MMA is a sport. one that trains you to submit someone until you beat the clock, against one opponent, along with rules that def do not apply in a real life situation, and make sure the doctor is watching to stop the fight if it gets a lil OUT OF HAND! i think training ANY martial art is better than NO martial art. but this stuff gets old.....trash talking different styles! it's funny, MMA is the new little league. filled with jocks and meat heads!.
@jasonstubbs314 hahaha..what a penis...did it never occer to you in your tiny mind,why in MMA you can use any type of striking you wish from any style be it WC chain punches, trapping,back fists,hammer fists ect...but the reason the 1s you see use Muaythai striking..is because it IS the best way a human can strike..just as when you watch the olympics 100 mtr sprint, you dont see runners "hopping" the sprint they use is the fastest way a human can run, same with MMA,Muaythai IS the most effective
You'll get the same amount of Wing Chun practitioners who say that their way of striking is the best, too. It's all relative and based on what you prefer. Muay Thai has plenty of exploits that can be taken advantage of easily, but that depends on the skill level and personality of the fighter. He might do just fine with Muay Thai.
it still bothers me that they call it MMA when it is mainly mixing Thaiboxing and your choice of grappling. that is only two.....right? reality is most people that train martial arts do it to stay in shape and learn self defense!!! they don't go around picking fights or challenging other styles. most martial artists do not go around mugging or bullying people. i can say that the city i live in is pretty wild and there are always bedazzled affliction shirts starting shit!!!
@jasonstubbs314 you just make sure you stay away from fighting of any type,,,because you will get hurt & your obviously not a fighter, nothing wrong with avoiding fights but do be deluded means youl get hurt 1 day.
Silly talk. I don't know where you came up with that ridiculous comment, but I suggest you take a class and find out what it's all about, instead of watching UFC all day long.
wasn't very good at Wing Chun and tried to do it they would probably fail miserably. With Wing Chun it seems like you have to be very experienced and good at defensive counterattacks. Anything under being pro at Wing Chun will probably get you beat up. Either way I want to learn it. Lol
U do realize that the dude in the white is doing wing chun right
anykenny12 4 days ago
By saying that this kick boxing guy was not good, means that this Wingchun fighter was not that skilled?
In that same note are we trying to say that against a better kick boxer Wing chun would not work?
Why not just settle this. Kikckboxer against a real Wingchun fighter really no rules. Lets see that on video.
Handalumaban 2 weeks ago
Who is the wing chun guy? is he a sifu? I'd like to see more vids of him.
MiaKenKo 2 weeks ago
Not working the angles. KB is also not going very hard unlike WC. Also 16 oz gloves vs. MMA style?? Good to see WC in MMA match.
scasey1960 2 weeks ago
sorry, this kickboxer sucks.
Rnt911 1 month ago in playlist Wing Chun
Dude this kick boxer sucks.... A good kick boxer would have thrown a head kick early on and it would have been over... His hands are too low.
Ninjabarbour 1 month ago
unfair fight, KB aint wearing shoes.
gringolazlo 1 month ago
1:02 is a great example of how wing chun can attack and at the same time be in a position where the opponent has no chance of punching back
AsG1989 1 month ago 3
@AsG1989 - How can this be a good example when the kick boxer may only have a couple of weeks of training? A good example would be against someone who has experience.
iApna 3 weeks ago
@iApna The fight theory still applies, wing chun specializes in close quarter combat, especially in point blank face to face range
AsG1989 3 weeks ago
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AsG1989 1 month ago
damn we missed the knockout punch
ch355fr3ak 1 month ago
So many fighting "experts" that talk trash in this video. Sad.
People don't fight like they did in the movie Ip Man. /rolleyes
Michael326 1 month ago
wing chun is way better
madflyindog100 1 month ago
@madflyindog100 - BullShit!
iApna 1 month ago
He usually strikes the inner quadracep or the leg which keeps the balance
Infinity01001 1 month ago
The kick most often used is the stop kick -.-
Infinity01001 1 month ago
wow in2food your retarted. the tecnique is a defensive one even a seasoned fighter like you said were to go he'd still lose. the hand placement is ment to no attack but if they have to they can.
eptfinest25 1 month ago
"Kickboxer" does not have a kickboxing background, he is a taekwondo practitioner.
Cenobyte666 1 month ago
cool Man wing Chun Is The Best
bu50rak 2 months ago
The so-called kick boxer was horrible. And if that Wing Chun practitioner had executed that way with a seasoned quality fighter he would have gotten his butt kicked. He was so open so many times I lost count....
in2food 2 months ago
@in2food you obviously dont understand anything about fighting let alone wing chun. every time the kickboxing dude kicked or punched, the wing chun guy either mirrored him by stepping back, or he met it head on and stopped it. distance control 101, he would have won a real fight as soon as he stopped any of those
AsG1989 1 month ago
Wing Chun can only respond to what is coming at him. Which in this case was not very much. Anyways, "seasoned quality fighter" whatever that means...I wonder if you are talking about sport fighting? Wing Chun is superior if trained correctly and over time. As soon as one attacks they provide the opportunity to destroy them in one second. Its the truth, Ruth. You are GIVING your body to the advanced Wing Chun practitioner as soon as you make in move that will put you in striking distance.
donkey1894 1 month ago
@donkey1894 I know Wing Chun is a very powerful and effective technique. It is for this reason that so many of the world champion full contact fighters are Wing Chun practitioners... Oh, wait...........
in2food 1 month ago
Sigh..."Sport fighting" I already covered that topic. Moron. Try to understand things as they ARE, not as your small defensive-reactive-infantile mind unfortunately squeaks, groans, and sputters in attempts to vainly make sense of them. I will try one more time, even though the distinction between fighting "system" and a fighting "sport" was already raised: 3/4 of what we learn in Wing Chun is completely illegal in what you call "world champion full contact" Get it? Sorry Bro. You lose.
donkey1894 1 month ago
@in2food (con't) "world champion full contact fighters" are sport fighters, and they have to fight within a set of rules. Wing Chun is a far more advanced fighting system, not meant at all for sports. We cannot fight in world champions because the majority of our techniques are explicitly banned. Instead of sounding like an ass, Do take the time to study the rulebook:
I can't post a URL on youtube, but simply type in "MMA rules" on google and you will see. You are into sports.
donkey1894 1 month ago
@donkey1894 Ah, I see. And which of these, "against the rules", techniques were demonstrated in this video?
in2food 1 month ago
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donkey1894 1 month ago
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@in2foodOh my god. None. None were demonstrated in this video you utter moron. You are missing the point by about twenty miles. You really are a simple minded clucker, aren't you? If you can't realize you have been defeated in an argument, I suggest you enroll in a college and take a basic classic class on rhetoric. You can't understand a simple point that I have now made three times now. Have fun with your sports. I'm done with you. It's a shame the world is populated by so many morons.
donkey1894 1 month ago
@donkey1894 I would suggest it is you who are simple-minded. It is you who is demonstrating a lack of understanding when it comes to rhetoric. After all, you responded to my clearly rhetorical question as if it were non rhetorical. Perhaps I can suggest a college course to you. Irony in argument #101. Have a nice self-absorbed Wing Chun is a mystical super-human skill and everything else sucks life.....
in2food 1 month ago
@in2food Ha! Back peddling! We study that shit in Wing Chung. Keep making assumptions. You dig a deeper hole. Don't worry about Waking up and facing the most simple minded black and white fact that Wing Chun is not used in World Champion ship fighting because important moves are illegal. There is nothing mystical about it except if you base your understanding on movies. We train to strike the throat or groin first in 80 percent of the moves. This illegal in MMA. So we cannot compete.
donkey1894 1 month ago 9
I could not agree more , If you take a system like Wing Chun that was meant only for the street, you place in a ring,give it rules and limitations ,it no longer is Wing Chun.whenever I see Wing Chun versus some other system on youtube it only annoys me,for the better or worse .So i say to my brothers trying to prove something ,Keep it out of Ring Stop trying to show who's the best and you'll always be a winner.
Shamm2010 1 week ago
@Shamm2010"must see:Wing Chun vs Freestyle Kickboxing'' its an absolute Joke ,keep it out of the ring boys, if its a SPAR then lets learn and have some fun,.There are many skilled fighters of all walks of life,therefore I respect all and learn from all ,therefore i say to all who love Wing Chun stop shamming this powerful system of martial arts,the problem is not been beating ,the problem is always me or you trying to compete ,its not a competition, its a service to humanity and ourselves.
Shamm2010 1 week ago
@donkey1894 Hey, I train wing chun also. Don't forget, if those muey thai guys aimed for the soft spots, we'd be in trouble, too. A trained martial artist is exactly that. We all have to show each other respect.
louidoggify 1 day ago
looks like he is using taekwondo...no wonder he is lost
bobstanator 2 months ago
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bobstanator 2 months ago
That's not a kickboxer, that guy is using some form of americanized tournament martial art, not kickboxing. The title is a lie.
MrMZaccone 2 months ago
the kickboxer guy came here 396 times to dislike this video
won93r 2 months ago
bad muay thai I guess :/ Feels bad man.
deterance 3 months ago
@deterance otherguy use Kickbox only , not muay thai........
Kr3sToS 3 months ago
@Kr3sToS it's the internet wow do you have to be so uptight on the words I use?
deterance 2 months ago
@deterance sorry but muay thai and kick box are two different martial arts ......not very different but they are
Kr3sToS 2 months ago
The only thing you have to look at, is the foot work of both gentlemen. In my humble opinion you can see the guy in the white Tshirt has superior foot work. He is very centered where as the guy in the black shirt looks almost gangly. Is that a product inherent in Kick Boxing? Or is he inexperienced compared to the wing chun guy?
neils68 3 months ago
@neils68 - No that guy has no experience. If you want to see a real kick boxer watch Ramon Dekkers, Buakaw and many more you will notice varying styles. Footwork varies from region to region within Thailand and then across the world. Depends on the instructors background. Thai focus strictly on brutalizing your opponents.
/watch?v=yJgf508nU4s
/watch?v=IvlFoQTse8s
/watch?v=hVnNrbtLuoM
/watch?v=iBExHg5A-Bw
/watch?v=YQ9znFzjZnU
/watch?v=I9H-AZ_zfpA&
iApna 3 months ago
@neils68 - Here is what friendly sparring looks like:
/watch?v=Lx4WeGm08Pk
Sparring begins after the ThaiPad work. (2 minute mark) - As sparring continuous it gets harder and harder, but these guys maintained their power level at 50%. Although sparring does get harder in most cases.
iApna 3 months ago
@iApna oh. yeah thats different =) kick ass!
neils68 3 months ago
@neils68 Seems to me experience was the factor here. The Wing Chun guy just seemed to have better reflexes and strategy than the kickboxer. WC guy was calm and conserved his energy for until he needed (which is usual WC strategy), but some the kickboxer's kicks had me raising my eyebrow at times. Like @0:43, he just threw a high front kick in the air from at least 2ft away. Good physical conditioning, but just seemed a bit green. It's not always what you have, it's what you do with it.
deek77 2 months ago
@deek77 There was no kickboxer in that video.
MrMZaccone 2 months ago
@MrMZaccone Maybe so, either way the other guy was just better in this vid.
deek77 2 months ago
@deek77 No doubt, but calling that guy a kickboxer is like calling me a great football player.
MrMZaccone 2 months ago
@MrMZaccone No stress, I wasn't disputing what style he uses, if he's not then he's not. I was really talking about fighting IQ, decision making, and reaction time being the deciding factor here, that's all.
deek77 2 months ago
@deek77 The deciding factor here seemed to be directness and yes, decision making which is one thing Wing chun is pretty good at. Kickboxing is good at it too there just wasn't any of that here.
MrMZaccone 2 months ago
"We've got the best kicking system in the world!"
- Sifu Chris Chan
slickrick134 3 months ago
@slickrick134 - Wing Chun kicks are terrible. Their only meant for basic defence and pose no significant risk to their opponents. SIFI Chris Chan was probably mocking Wing Chun while taking back some Chine White when he made that comment.
iApna 3 months ago
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slickrick134 3 months ago
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@iApna First of all 1:32. Second of all, don't spew your insolent criticisms at ME via YouTube comments; tell Sifu Chris Chan yo' daamn self. Monday, Wednesday nights 20th and Irving in SF, CA. He'll be there I guarantee it.
slickrick134 3 months ago
Wing Chun guy owns the center, that's why he is in control!
boddumblues 3 months ago
@boddumblues - Its not about owning the centre. This fight simply show an inexperienced Thai noob vs a Wing Chun practitioner.
iApna 3 months ago
this has nothing to do with wing chun being better, this has to do with the kickboxer thinking he's the shit and that repetitive high kicks and using spin kicks as an initial attack are a good idea.
wing chun is still pretty wizard regardless
bkzunltd000 3 months ago
Kickboxer just plain sucks.
soldierx345 3 months ago
kick boxing dude is a little baby with no skills, i've been studying karate, greek wrestling, judo and kick boxing, i think kick boxing and muai thai are the best (except wing chun may be), i rly want ot try wing chun, but it's kind of hard to find such scool/trainer in my country.
Kalenmor 3 months ago
u see when u guys say styles u know i mean no offense but this is my opioin i feel like u mean like a guy who trains kempo have 5 arms and 5 legs u know its bad to say the best styles or any other expression in the end its all martial arts....every human has a way of fighting like u learn wing chun u make ur style just like bruce lee
Black19Crow 3 months ago
wing chun with boxing gloves? don't make me laughh
Waffles1292 3 months ago
Seriously? That's definitely not Wing Chun style. Bad set up
Reizu07 3 months ago
Solid Snake learned Wing Chun...!
CuongTheAsian 3 months ago
Kickboxing dude simply lacks sparring experience. I wouldn't take this as definitive of anything at all
harpoonflyby 4 months ago
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tschroff1 4 months ago
weak
hotsauceDon 4 months ago
they both suck
UncleVladi 4 months ago
this is dumb wing chun guy with shoes vs worst kickboxer in the world
BoneCrusherJiuJitsu 4 months ago
its not the style that matters its the practioner!when we tell style we mean martial arts ofc not sports like bjj,mma,box,kcik box because martial arts vs sport martial arts win most of the time!exept if you are 2 meters and strong like a bull then there is 50-50
13Metal13Head13 4 months ago
I am from Greece and i'm practicing wing chun for 5 year now and I also beat a kickboxing friend of mine in a sparring. And he does kickboxing for 9 years!!!
thersipos 4 months ago
You may attack first, but I will get there first.
m0rerice 4 months ago
Not any style can beat any style what nonsense]the only real practical style is boxing not fancy oriental rubbish styles
zeprecht 4 months ago
@zeprecht
The MOST practical style is gun style. Therefore your theory is disproved.
Ozarka741 4 months ago
@zeprecht Boxing is primarily a sport. Wing Chun is a fighting style that was used by people on the battlefield to kill each other. A good boxer fighting a good wing chun-ist would get thier leg broken; as they have no training to defend againced kicks.
TheAncestorX 4 months ago
@TheAncestorX - A good boxer fighting a good Wing Chun practitioner is funny. A Wing Chun practitioner would have his face smashed, ribs broken and possibly die from head trauma. Watch a few clips of old school Mike Tyson or current fighters like Manny. Wing Chun footwork is far too slow and their is no power in their punches compared to boxers. Granted Boxers have zero leg defence but Wing Chunners are crap kickers to take advantage of a boxers weakness.
Watch: /watch?v=u6zlaIl0yh0
iApna 3 months ago
@iApna The wing chun punch when done properly has more power than a boxers roundhouse. Watch mike tyson punch someone and see how far they're body moves. Then watch Bruce lee do a 1 inch punch and see how far the body moves. Taking into account that it requires more energy to move a mass a greater distance you can work out which is more powerful. Wing Chun footwork is slow, but as we aim to get inside the oppenents defence, we dont hop in and out of range like boxers, we move in and stay in.
TheAncestorX 3 months ago
@TheAncestorX - You're seriously delusional. Boxers condition themselves to take punishment. So the reason you don't see boxers move when another boxer hits them is because they are accustom to it. If you or I were to take a punch from Mike Tyson with no gloves, we would likely die after flying back 30 ft with extreme brain damage and collapsing of the bones in our face. Bruce Lee's 1 inch punch was great but was not more powerful than a boxers punch.
iApna 3 months ago
@iApna Bruce Lee's one inch punch was from one inch. What happens when he increases that distance? He was just trying demonstrate human capabilities from short distance. For example, in UFC, alot of the time fighters are up against the fence or on the ground. If you can hit them at that distance with the power of a boxer's long range punch, I think its worth looking into Tai Chi or Wing Chun just for that aspect. Technique wise, traditional MA fails to get with the times.
simonmafy 3 months ago
@simonmafy - I would imagine the punching power would not change all that much. A conventional punch measures at 325lbs of force while the One inch punch measures at 153lbs - The one inch punch would not hurt professional fighters (nor me for that matter). You need over 240lbs of force to knock someone out. MMA fighter Cain delivers a hook punch at 2230lbs of force (that could kill you). Elbows and knees deliver much more force and more effective than punching in close quarter combat.
iApna 3 months ago
@iApna Right, but Wing Chun does have elbows. Knees? not so much..but can be added if the fighter's not too stubborn. The one inch power is not exclusive to only punches. It can be elbows, it can be shoulders, it can the chests, it can the abs, it can be the legs. The inch power is just a tool to help refine body mechanics and relaxation. Besides, if 153ibs of force is enough to knock a guy into a chair and make it slide, then its still useful. Bruce lee's size? thats impressive.
simonmafy 3 months ago
@simonmafy - The one inch punch is impressive. But its not the best technique for the example you gave me. Wing Chun and just about every art has elbow/knees, kicks etc... But the mechanics vary from art to art. Thai boxing is known for its devastating striking techniques, aggressive training style and fighter development. Take a look at Ramon Dekkers and compare him to some of Wing Chun's best. There really is no comparison.
/watch?v=iPYil5rfO4A
His striking is awesome.
iApna 3 months ago
@simonmafy - But also remember fighting isn't just about who can punch the hardest or knows the best martial-art technique. Fighting is a game where 75% of it is psychological. Take for instance Mantis vs. blackbelt clip below. The black belt got played. In a real fight, Mantis would have put his fist through his skull.
/watch?v=o2MbMg5NQsc
iApna 3 months ago
@iApna Right, and I can assure you, he would be so much faster and efficient with his power if he understood relaxation. Why is it that light weight fighters are so much faster? One reason is because they have less muscle - in other words less muscle tension. Why was Bruce Lee so much stronger then most people in his weight division? Its not because he's "stronger", its because he's more efficient with his strength.
simonmafy 3 months ago
@simonmafy - Hopefully all arts teach relaxation. My Thai instructor talks about relaxation all the time. Otherwise it would be too hard to fight your opponent when you're restricting your own movements by being tense. Thai training is very intense so learning to relaxed while being shit kicked important.
Big muscles simply take more energy to move, its not because of tension.
Mike Tyson can move and he's a heavyweight.
/watch?v=u6zlaIl0yh0
Ramon Dekkers was 175 and he can fight.
iApna 3 months ago
@simonmafy Bruce Lee was stronger than who? There is nothing to prove how strong Bruce Lee was. WTF is up with all this Bruce Lee bs? His weight lifted was nothing special, and there is nothing he did to show how strong he was or was not. He made movies. Grow up.
ACLogikel 1 day ago
@iApna Technique wise, Wing Chun is pretty outdated. Compound trapping is bullshit. Body mechanic wise, Wing Chun is still pretty up to date. Here are the basics explanations of relexation.
/watch?v=SSTrANc1Gn0
Now I do agree with you that fighting is also psychological. I train in Jeet Kune Do, and the concept of feinting/faking is awesome. The concept of being elusive to be non telegraphic is awesome. The concept of broken rhythm is awesome. All revolves around manipulation.
simonmafy 3 months ago
@TheAncestorX - Consider this as well - If a Wing Chunner's punching abilities were much more dominate than that of boxers, don't you think out of the hundreds of thousands of Wing Chun practitioners we would have someone representing the art? Wing Chun is "OK" for street application and give noobs a chance to defend themselves. When confronted by a Pro-Fighter, its a whole different game. Your best defense would be to run, or suffer broken limbs, possibly death.
iApna 3 months ago
@iApna Representing the art? As in what? It's not a sport, hence why its not in the olypics. Your right it does allow "noobs" to defend themselves which speaks volumes in it's self. If someone who doesnt spend every waking hour in the gym or sparing can defend themselves then it proves that the art works. And any amature boxer would get destroyed by a pro-fighter as well... it's all down to the individual's dedication. TBH who's gonna get in a fight with a pro-fighter on the way home from work?
TheAncestorX 3 months ago
@TheAncestorX - First I think its much more than just the individual. It take the right coach, who has real-world fighting experience and who has developed fighters. Then the individuals passion to learn, comes into play. Take a look at the nine year olds who fight in Thailand. Fighter or coaching? The chance of running into experienced fighters today is far greater than it used to be. Simply learning Wing Chun without learning to fight is quite useless against real fighters amateur or not.
iApna 3 months ago
@TheAncestorX - Many inexperienced practitioners here will claim its all about the fighter. But in reality it takes a good coach who can train all aspects of fighting. Technique means very little if you can't fight. Most Wing Chun SIFU have zero fight experience.
Small clip: /watch?v=I9H-AZ_zfpA
Coaching or fighter?
iApna 3 months ago
@iApna Agreed about having a good coach, as with everything there are good teachers and bad teachers. If your teacher doesn't know what he's doing or is teaching it for the wrong reasons then your handicapped to begin with, whatever your technique.
TheAncestorX 3 months ago
the wing xung dude is very good, he has control of distance and time, the kick boxing one must train harder.
sanaoi 4 months ago
How's fighting ? Its teaching each other unrealistic fights . Go take that shit to K1 or MMA and see what happens
Beachcrib 4 months ago
To me Jeet Kune Do and Wing Chun are the best styles.
MCARRMUSIC343 4 months ago
Dude i know their just sparring, but the idea of being in the gym putting 2 great techniques againgst each other in battle is amazing. Wing Chun is so incredible
R3dChampi0n 4 months ago
Im a fan of the style, but this video was coriographed.
pocketfiend36 4 months ago
@GetAJobBro WTF U talking about bruce lee knew wing chun and take down alot people at onced with it dont give me that kind a crap
tommyguns5fam 4 months ago
@GetAJobBro wing chun isent crap its one of the strongest martial arts in the world if your an expert you can take down 10 or 15 guys at onced
tommyguns5fam 4 months ago
@tommyguns5fam llulz, I love how you're using these numbers so loosely leaping from 10 to 15 like it's nothing. I mean, anyone, and I do mean ANYONE would have their hands full with 2 or 3 guys but you make it sound like throwing in there 5 more guys is a walk in the park. The only you could take town 10 to 15 guys at close range is with a freaking gun...and even then, you'd probably be in trouble. Life is not a movie.
CacaLauncher23 4 months ago
@CacaLauncher23 bruce lee took down people with his wing chun like 10 or 15 people even ip man and wing chun herself did soo its not impossible and just because u think i saw the movie ip man doesent mean squat plus those movies were base on his real life he delt with
tommyguns5fam 4 months ago
@tommyguns5fam delusions can be dealt with medication, you know?
CacaLauncher23 4 months ago
@CacaLauncher23 What?
tommyguns5fam 4 months ago
seems like some nice relaxing sparring session. that high kick towards head really could've been a gamebreaker though. don't know what the wing chun was doing holding his arms that low and having no reaction to the kick. also he went too much into the sparring game and movement mimicking the movement of the kickboxer rather than using directness to overpower his opponent. those big gloves must've been dragging his arms down as wing chun guys typically don't have big biceps (only triceps) lol
DonMega187 4 months ago in playlist wing chun
Its very bold of you to believe you represent the art of Wing Chun.
fuzziosh18 5 months ago
@fuzziosh18 i believe nobody can represent anything else but only themselves as martial artists. your motion belongs only to you and so does your brain functions. only official representatives of countries or companies can be representatives
DonMega187 4 months ago in playlist wing chun
its just a bunch of wild swinging and throwing yourself, but this guy did have a simple kick he could use again and again on this dumbass "kickboxer"
sasquatchfiddlestick 5 months ago
I was sparing with a wing chun guy and all I did was come in hands up chin down and I didnt even feel those punches. I notice they have a hard time blocking upper cuts and hooks.
b7r7u7c7e 5 months ago
@b7r7u7c7e Well, boxing is great and simple, it's not easy to spar with a boxer if you just practice on wing chun students and don't do much against boxers arsenal of punches. The last really comes down to which WC lineage you are learning. example, William Cheungs wing chun (the one that most ignorant people call useless and stupid) puts great deal in defence againts hooks and uppercuts. That lineage also has biu (bil) sau which is by far the best defence against a hook punch.
DavorBa 5 months ago
wing chun is one of the greatest martial arts in the world! i mean dont get me wrong i also respect all fighting martial art skills but im a wing chun guy
tommyguns5fam 5 months ago 24
@tommyguns5fam My guess is you don't win often, then. : /
zacktillery 3 months ago
The way see it, most 'fights' are with drunken bozo's in or outside a bar, or fending off some idiot criminal or mugger...and how many of those are going to be a kung fu master or whatever? Surely proficiency at wing chun in such a situation is all you could ever ask for in terms of self defence. Whether one style is better or not is really just academic...Bruce Lee had a lot to say on that topic :p
markthode 5 months ago
@markthode agreed! any style can beat any other style. Its all a matter of how disciplined you are, your judgement, and how the style suits YOU. You could categorize styles and say that some are easier to learn at first, or that some are more offensively structured etc. But at the end of the day you only need one good hit to take someone out.
mockhazzard 5 months ago 13
@mockhazzard However, any style can fit any person if that individual applies himself well enough to learning and disciplining himself to make good judgement in a fight while applying all the skills he/she learned.
MrAlexH1991 2 months ago
@MrAlexH1991 too bad at the end of the day it often comes down to reaction time.
mockhazzard 2 months ago
@mockhazzard This is very true. That, and making sure the reaction isn't a stupid one. Like the high front kick from like an inch away at 0:42.
MrAlexH1991 2 months ago
@markthode haha touche. onlywhere else i can think of in the ancient wars where hand to hand or sword/spear etc fighting played a part of. and there's no country quite as warlike than china was, hence the long history and evolution of different ways to fight. only the strongest survived here also
DonMega187 4 months ago in playlist wing chun
what kickboxer??
demoskunk 5 months ago
Nice reflex at 0:29
lehdu 5 months ago
omg i want to learn wing chun
nvle5 5 months ago
@nvle5
where do you live?
ian27293 5 months ago
@ian27293 houston texas =/
nvle5 5 months ago
@nvle5 there's wing chun schools in houston. I live in Houston and plan to go to one soon
BushiSeven 5 months ago
@nvle5
there was a really good WingTsun instructor in Texas. Not sure where exactly
But I can find out for you if you'd like
ian27293 5 months ago
@ian27293 its cool, i look it up when my next summer starts because right now im in college. well thanks
nvle5 5 months ago
wing chun look at him he would not survive a real fight he would get his as kicked same goes for the other dude they just not fighting material
beratio 5 months ago
wing chun FTW!!!!!!!
jordanreed131 5 months ago
His Wing Chun form is very good. And it is never the style you blame when you lose, you have to blame yourself. ^_^
raidenkurosaki345 5 months ago
Damn, cameraman fell asleep at the end.
CelticPoison 5 months ago
jiu jitsu.
kohji112 5 months ago
nice kung fu man,i rarely see anyone that can use this beautiful martial art effectively against a more western styled fighter
iarcheese 5 months ago
no chance...... kung fu FTW ^^
GuardiaNIIII 5 months ago
The thing is, boxing and kickboxing are designed to fall within strict rules, so it can't defend against other fighting styles very well. In martial art's like wing-chun there are no rules, so there is a counter to almost anything.
nick945 5 months ago
@nick945 There are no rules in WC? As a dude who trains WC for quite some time now, there are rules. Many of them. Depends on the school and lineage that you train under.
Peravu 5 months ago
@Peravu
He's very right. There are no rules in Wing Chun. Zero. Zip. Zilch. It's designed to allow each practitioner to apply it differently, according to their own personalities and personal fighting styles. I've also been studying Wing Chun for quite some time, and I'm not sure who is teaching you, but they're doing it wrong. A street fight has no rules. Wing Chun was designed 100% for the street.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
@MaestroDraven WC was designed for the street? :) Come on dude. The art we both study is of literally [i said literally] no use in a street fight, no matter what your Sifu/trainer tells you. It just isn't. How are there no rules in WC? Or even more important, how is there no stance? The 'ridding a goat' stance. Some may call it differently, but it is a stance. The WC I'm learning is traditional. There is a stance, and there are rules. And my Si Fu is from the William Cheung lineage - [1/2]
Peravu 5 months ago
@Peravu
Ouch. If you believe that then you're being taught by a VERY bad Sifu. I've personally hung out with William Cheung, dude. I know what his style is, and it's not that. The very concept of WC is based around the fact that you cannot possibly anticipate what's going to happen in a fight. Whoever your teacher is, fire him, stop paying him money, and go study with someone else. I've learned mainland style mixed with Yip Man and it's 100% opposite of what you're saying.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
@MaestroDraven Heh. Listen. No matter what your say, or I say back, we are both still going to think the same, which is, understandable, and, normal. But let me just say one thing, if you think that WC is going to be practical in a street fight against say, two muggers, then you're wrong. WC by itself won't be enough. It simply won't. And please, don't think it will. However, if you're on a high rank, then, y'know, maybe you do know a thing or two on how to behave in a str. fight, so good for u.
Peravu 5 months ago
@Peravu
Buddy, I've seen WC against three opponents. Two security guards who learned with me currently bounce at some of Toronto's roughest bars. The fights don't last long. One got jumped by three guys at a time, and it was the most fluid and effortless thing I've ever seen. He just kept moving from one, to the other, to the other. By the time it was over, they were slumped unconscious over tables with broken teeth. You're 100% wrong, and you've been taught wrong.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
@Peravu
The funniest thing is how people can come on here, lie about knowing Wing Chun, and say that a martial art which was designed exclusively for a no-rules street fight was.......never designed for a no-rules street fight. I shake my head in dismay. You sound like another guy on here who claimed that WC was "one of the most rigid martial arts in the world," when in fact it is one of the most fluid and relaxed, and was designed that way. You can't fool a WC expert, don't try.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
@MaestroDraven Just seen two other comments you posted. I'm not one of those MMA maniacs. I DO NOT think WC is a bad martial art, as a matter of fact, I think it's amazing, and it is fluid and relaxed. As a matter of fact, I'll be more then willing to prove to you that I know Wing Chun, and indeed am a practitioner. You on the other hand, treat me as an imbecile, you have no real argument, and the only thing you're so sure of is that I'm a liar. I am not. And I am more then willing to prove that
Peravu 5 months ago
And why the f*** would I even lie? What would I get from that? Respect from Youtubers? I can die a happy man with recognition from the world wide web MA masters. Please. Just because I have a different view on things does not make me a liar, nor does it make my Sifu an idiot who is trying to scam me of my money. That is a very shallow and idiotic way to view at things.
Peravu 5 months ago
@MaestroDraven So he should know a thing or two. If you take away all those things, all of 'em, what you end up is something that isn't Wing Chun. You can see tons of videos of that amalgamation on YouTube, where fighters mix several stances/punches/attacks, and call it WC. As for the stance --> search Google for 'wing chun ridding a goat'. I'd link it here but YT won't post a comment with the link in it.
Peravu 5 months ago
@Peravu
I don't use Google to get information about Wing Chun. I've been taught by a 20 year Grand Master and I know all there is to know about the martial art, thank you very much. If you live in the Toronto area, I'll be happy to teach you......for free, literally.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
@MaestroDraven Neither do I, but if I need evidence to prove you something, I'm more then willing to use Google.
Peravu 5 months ago
@Peravu
There is no evidence, just some foolishness you managed to dig up. The fact that you're relying on Google for WC information after saying that you've actually learned the art inside and out just proves my point. You're lying. Any WC practitioner would be saying the precise opposite of what you'd said, unless they got bilked by a guy who claimed to be an actual Sifu. Either way, you're building a horrible case for yourself and only reinforcing my initial, correct statements. Ciao.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
@MaestroDraven Foolishness? What else could I do when you didn't believe me that there is a stance. You do the same, and you will find more then just one 'foolish' link. What you're saying now is completely without an argument. I never said I learned the art inside and out. [please quote me on that one] I said I am a practitioner, and I am. I'm not lying. That is a big accusation, a very big one. And, I'm not being bilked by some random guy, he is a real sifu.
Peravu 5 months ago
@MaestroDraven How can you even be so sure that I'm lying? Just because I'm not blinded by the idea that Wing Chun can completely defend me on the street, does not mean I'm not being teached by a real Sifu, or that I'm lying. If I were a liar, I think I would've simply backed down from this argument a long time ago.
Peravu 5 months ago
@nick945
it just doesnt work in a street fight.
illuminatijews 5 months ago
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nick945 5 months ago
Молодцы, - последнюю самую важную сцену не сняли((
stomozan 5 months ago
You should read all the wing chun comments on the BJJ vs. wing chun videos! All the wing chun guys excuses are so funny.
bubbakill1 5 months ago
@bubbakill1
BJJ is a grappling art. We'd never let you even get close to us to do that. There aren't any excuses, only fact. BJJ is useless in a street fight.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
wtf am i saying, american kickboxing is so watered down its not even funny. Muay thai would destroy wing chun.
fromstart2finish 5 months ago
That kickboxer must have just started training. Hes making so many mistakes and he barely has any balance. That Wing Chun guy would have gotten destroyed by a real kickboxer.
fromstart2finish 5 months ago
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the wing chun guy rocks.
.. could anybody upload another video of him ... but beating a larger foe :D
it must be a joke that skillful fighter only have one good battle got taped
laventaslavent 5 months ago
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laventaslavent 5 months ago
@1fitkbox
You are either a troll, or a 12 year old trying to troll. Or some combination of the two. The only thing I can see you kickboxing is your little brother, when he takes the cheetohs.
DiesIstGrammarNazi 5 months ago
@DiesIstGrammarNazi Dam...!!! I hate it when folk find out im a 12 year old troll.... can anybody anywhere...show me a clip on youtube of a WingChun man beating a skilled fighter ,a pro MMA fighter or a pro Muaythai. You wont find because they never will, plenty clips of them sparring idiots like in this clip tho, plenty clips of them getting flattened agaisnt skilled fighters , early ufc had no rules apart from eye gouges & fish hooking, Sifu Cancio got flattened, Joe Sayah got flattened in K1
1fitkbox 5 months ago
@1fitkbox i saw one of a tkd beating the shit out of a muay thai guy it was funny
asianboi1004 5 months ago
great job jamming those stupid ass kicks, people forget that wing chun doesnt just sit around, even though we dont strike until we intercept one of theirs, we still jam the opponent especially if we block a kick to prevent another kick from being landed
AsG1989 6 months ago
Im Back...be afraid...be very afraid, Wing Chun is a piss weak style that only train spotters & mammys boys train in...they all sit in there rooms, watching stars wars dvds & mammy brings them tea up,they usually have a big stash of porno mags hidden under there beds,they are terrified of any real full contact fighting like MMA or "real kickboxing" they prefer to play patty cake games...the kickboxer in this clip is embarrassingly shit, punch shy, terrible footwork, hes never sparred hard either
1fitkbox 6 months ago
@1fitkbox i agree that the kickboxer dude is less advanced than the wing chun representative. but the wing chun rep aint really that nice either lol
traylojf 5 months ago
@1fitkbox @1fitkbox uhh.....MMA is a sport. one that trains you to submit someone until you beat the clock, against one opponent, along with rules that def do not apply in a real life situation, and make sure the doctor is watching to stop the fight if it gets a lil OUT OF HAND! i think training ANY martial art is better than NO martial art. but this stuff gets old.....trash talking different styles! it's funny, MMA is the new little league. filled with jocks and meat heads!.
jasonstubbs314 5 months ago
@jasonstubbs314 hahaha..what a penis...did it never occer to you in your tiny mind,why in MMA you can use any type of striking you wish from any style be it WC chain punches, trapping,back fists,hammer fists ect...but the reason the 1s you see use Muaythai striking..is because it IS the best way a human can strike..just as when you watch the olympics 100 mtr sprint, you dont see runners "hopping" the sprint they use is the fastest way a human can run, same with MMA,Muaythai IS the most effective
1fitkbox 5 months ago
@1fitkbox
You'll get the same amount of Wing Chun practitioners who say that their way of striking is the best, too. It's all relative and based on what you prefer. Muay Thai has plenty of exploits that can be taken advantage of easily, but that depends on the skill level and personality of the fighter. He might do just fine with Muay Thai.
MaestroDraven 5 months ago
it still bothers me that they call it MMA when it is mainly mixing Thaiboxing and your choice of grappling. that is only two.....right? reality is most people that train martial arts do it to stay in shape and learn self defense!!! they don't go around picking fights or challenging other styles. most martial artists do not go around mugging or bullying people. i can say that the city i live in is pretty wild and there are always bedazzled affliction shirts starting shit!!!
jasonstubbs314 5 months ago
@jasonstubbs314 you just make sure you stay away from fighting of any type,,,because you will get hurt & your obviously not a fighter, nothing wrong with avoiding fights but do be deluded means youl get hurt 1 day.
1fitkbox 5 months ago
wing chun only works when choreographed other then that its completely useless..
bubbakill1 6 months ago
@bubbakill1
Silly talk. I don't know where you came up with that ridiculous comment, but I suggest you take a class and find out what it's all about, instead of watching UFC all day long.
MaestroDraven 6 months ago
@bubbakill1 I feel like some people hate Wing Chun just because they see a video of it owning their style of fighting :p
m3dm4n34 5 months ago
/watch?v=4gEoCCmGoH8
Rocksolid178 6 months ago
wasn't very good at Wing Chun and tried to do it they would probably fail miserably. With Wing Chun it seems like you have to be very experienced and good at defensive counterattacks. Anything under being pro at Wing Chun will probably get you beat up. Either way I want to learn it. Lol
m3dm4n34 6 months ago