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"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever." 1 Thessalonians 4:17
The 2nd resurrection doesn't happen until the last day, Jesus says this over & over, the 1st resurrection will be the tribulation saints who were killed during the tribulation period only. Average Christians do not fit the requirements for the 1st resurrection.
@whittle4u The Rapture of the Bride of Christ happens BEFORE the Great Tribulation starts. Those KILLED during the GT - Revelation 6 to 19 are "resurrected" ONLY - they NEVER "meet Christ in the Air". Jesus is on Earth at that time and they WALK into the Kingdom. Their bodies NEVER go to Heaven. Those in the Rapture receive Crowns: Rev. 22:12; 2Timothy 4:8; 1Peter 5:4; Rev 2:10 - The 24 elders in Rev 4:1-5 HAVE their Crowns. We get them when they get theirs.
2 Peter1:20-21" Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of men; but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit."
2 Peter 2:1-22 Destruction for false teachers--- (But know this beloved) 2 Peter 3:1-18 Our Father loves His children and unwilling for any to perish
Not everyone who doesn't take the mark is a Christian. Jews won't take the mark, neither will some in the nations. You presume that everyone whose name is written in the book of Life means that they have to be saved before the rapture. Not true. They will be saved before they DIE, which can be AFTER the rapture, which is why their name was written in the book of life BEFORE the foundation of the world. Your name was written there BEFORE you accepted Christ. So is theirs. Scripture teaches this.
@conniemaew Rev 20 There are those who overcome and of the 1st resurrection (shall be teachers-priests of God exempt from the next trial and 2nd death) and then there are those who will be taught in the Millennium who will take part in the next test when satan is released for a short season---if they follow satan again they will face the 2nd death.(Blotted out from memory-turned to ashes from within--death of the soul)
@RememberPaulRevere The overcomers in the church will be raptured before the millennium to judge & possibly teach yes & there will be those who haven't been Christians before the rapture but haven't taken the mark who'll go into the millennium then as believers(sheep).They'll face that 2nd Armageddon at the end of the millennium, agreed. I am guessing it will not be the first generation millennialists who do that, as they have gone through it once before. It will be the kids.
@conniemaew "The overcomers in the church will be raptured before the millennium to judge & possibly teach yes"
I agree in part of what you have stated. However, Where do you find we are to "judge" anyone?That is Our Fathers job isn't it? It states Rev.1:6 "..they shall be priests of God and of Christ.."
As to"kids" in the Millennium or human flesh existence, where do you find this? My study is ALL are changed at the 7th trump into spiritual bodies--there is no marriage in heaven.
@RememberPaulRevere Rev.20:4 judgment is given to those on the thrones & their will reign with Christ. 1 Cor 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world?1 Cor 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?The 12 disciples will judge the 12 tribes. Matt 19:28,Luke 22:30. We do this for 1000 yrs.Rev.20:4 before the 2nd resurrection.Ez.40-48 is millennial temple on earth with people. Zech 13 & 14 are Armageddon &
Paul was being sarcastic in this verse....we pick up the subject in I Cor 5::9-13
1 Cor 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? (Who are the saints? Go to chapter 1:2 To them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints (Greek #40: Hagios: pure, blameless, religious, consecrated, holy) This refers to flesh men, not those in spiritual body.
-I agree-(They are part of the Elders)The 12 disciples will judge the 12 tribes.Matt 19:28,Luke 22:30
@RememberPaulRevere . How, given the context of 1 Cor. 6 you can think Paul is being sarcastic makes me realize that you read Scriptures with an eye to having it conform to your belief rather than reading it as given.Paul is chastising them for taking their disputes to the secular courts instead of the church elders.He tells them that one day they will judge the world, and if we are going to be handling such weighty matters should we not then be able to handle small ones now?
@RememberPaulRevere Just to finish this here then take it private, you say you agree that he is chastising them. But in this passage he is not being sarcastic. He means what he says. Nor is he in Romans 2:16, nor is Jesus being sarcastic in John. I'm sorry but are you thinking of another word than sarcasm? The word sarcasm most certainly doesn't apply to these verses.
@conniemaew Okay, I really got to looking at and into this matter and the chastisement & sarcasm both are correct IMO.
The focal point of Paul to the church in this letter is found in 5:1..."that one should have his father's wife" INCEST according to Lev 20:11
I sent you a private message explaining more findings....and YOU WERE RIGHT...God's Elect will be judges--I took the meaning 'saints' to be flesh of the church
@RememberPaulRevere We DO judge the Fallen Angels and the World: 1Corinthians 6:2-3 - Then we come back WITH Jesus to do the Judging: Jude 1:14-16. We're going to have some VERY BIG responsibilities - and sadly to say, we'll probably see a lot of the people that are here on youtube when we return. It may not be a pleasant "event" for some of them. STAY "Faithful" to Christ - "...called, chosen & FAITHFUL followers." Revelation 17:14 MARANATHA
@JesusHoldMyHand1 "We DO judge the Fallen Angels and the World: 1Corinthians 6:2-3"
Perhaps, but least one "puff up", the TRUE and RIGHTEOUS JUDGE is Jesus Christ.
I think this "delegation of judging duties" will be for God's Elect, who will be appointed by Our Heavenly Father. Rev 20:6 states those of the 1st Resurrection shall be priests (teachers) and yes, priests were also judges of their communities, congregations, even family members.
@RememberPaulRevere Pesonally, I think we're the Jury. God will show us "video" of the person's life, how many sins they committed (their sins will be "found out"), who they hurt, what they said about the Lord, even here on youtube. Everything in their lives will be shown to us. Thank God I believe. I thank Him for forgiving me of my disgusting, filthy sins. One by one they will come before us - for us to Judge and Jesus to sentence. How dreadful it's going to be for them
@RememberPaulRevere Then he goes on to say that will be judging the angels (one day) so how much more should we be able to judge things that pertain to life now. There is no sarcasm here, there is chastisement and instruction, not fallacies. They were not to be dealing with wicked "brothers" either, but to keep their judgments in house as one day they would judge more weighty matters for Christ's kingdom. We will be in flesh, the same kind Christ was post-resurrection.
@RememberPaulRevere Have you read Ezekiel and Zechariah? That proves there are fleshly people in the millennium, and our job will be to help run the kingdom.In the parable of the talents the faithful servants were made rulers as a reward.This is speaking of the kingdom.I don't know why you have a problem accepting God's Word, but I guess it is up to you what you want to believe. I choose to believe what God says as being true. You can believe whatever you want.
@conniemaew Rev 20:4 Judgement given unto them..." (Who is them?) We have to go back to Rev. 19:4 to find the subject....What I find is the 24 Elders who have thrones, and 10) he that sat upon the white horse, called Faithful and True, and in righteousness HE doth judge and make war. 13) "..and his name is called the Word of God.
Judgement (Greek #2917 Krima: decision for or against, avenge, condemn, punish)
I bet each of the 12 disciples are themselves from each tribe?
@conniemaew "Ez.40-48 is millennial temple on earth with people."
(I respectfully disagree about this being the "Millennial temple era"---in 43 it talks about blood sin sacrifice....The Lamb of God, Jesus Christ, ended "Completed" that ritual.)
@RememberPaulRevere millennium. Notice 14:18-19, punishment to heathen during millennium for not observing Feast of Tabernacles (memorial of 2nd coming). Is.65:17-25 talks about millennium and people's offspring. There are survivors of the DOL. Particularly Israel, as they only accept Jesus when they see His Coming, but too late for rapture - Zech.12:10,Rev.1:7. Not just Israel survives, Zech.14:16 says those of the nations who survive Armageddon expected to go to temple too.
@RememberPaulRevere The millennium isn't in heaven it is on earth and on earth mortal humans do marry & procreate. It's in fulfillment of a promise made to Israel through David 2 Sam. 7:9-17.They're promised an earthly kingdom where people won't chase them off the land anymore. It's a time when Satan is bound for 1000 yrs & then let go at the end to round people up for a 2nd Armageddon Rev. 20:7-8. If it were heaven sin wouldn't still abound. It proves we can't blame Satan.
@conniemaew I agree the new kingdom will be on earth. To the other, perhaps, but according to Paul in I Cor. 15:50-52 '...Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither doth corruption inherit incorruption" 51)"...we shall not all sleep, be we shall all be changed. 52) '...the trumpet shall sound and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
@RememberPaulRevere I had to read the entire context of 1 Cor. 15 before answering that.He is explaining how different our glorified bodies will be from our corrupt bodies. Flesh and blood in our present corruption can't enter New Jerusalem the heavenly city, but that city will not be on earth during the millennium. Mortal flesh can enter earthly Jerusalem & just as Christ could walk on this earth in his glorified body, so will we. It will be corporeal, just different.
@conniemaew "Rev. 20:7-8. If it were heaven sin wouldn't still abound. It proves we can't blame Satan."
Not to argue, but it does not say sin abounds- satan is chained up for that 1000 yr time period. After the 1000 years of teaching those who did not overcome, who face the 2nd death-death of the soul, they shall be tested one last time by satan being loosed.If they follow him again, they will be judged according to their works, some are toast-blotted out,perish,ashes from within.
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Luke 21:25-28 this part along with the whole chapter is giving us signs to look for and saying to lift up our heads because are redemption is near, or at the doors. We will know when the time is close who are wise right?
@JesusHoldMyHand1 I hear that I'm not sold on the pre-trib, I can show you some scripture and you can show me some scripture maybe one of us is wrong, email me Gtiguy3@hotmail.com I'm looking for the truth nothing more or less
@DanielGlock26 The point is that "many" Christians are NOT Faithful to Christ. They will go through the GT. Revelation 3:10 says that the FAITHFUL will NOT suffer the "test" that the whole world will have to go through. We come back WITH Christ. Rev 17:14; 19:7-21 Read Matthew 25:1-13. 10 Virgins = 10 Christians..Bridegroom = Jesus Christ .... the 5 Foolish Christians miss the Rapture: Jesus closes the door (Rev 4:1) on them. They will be living in sin when the Rapture happens
@JesusHoldMyHand1 "Revelation 3:10 says that the FAITHFUL will NOT suffer the "test" that the whole world will have to go through. We come back WITH Christ."
Hmmm..those SEALED (in their mind) with the Truth of God's Word are not subject to His wrath on earth...we go nowhere, but stand and wait for His return.
As you say,"The 5 Foolish Christians miss the rapture"..NO they are TAKEN-Fall Away-the Apostasy, by the lies and deceit of satan, who is disguised as Messiah
@tmalone10 Hey great video thanks for the information, what is the next event we are to look for before the rapture will occur? I know it will be quick but will we witness anything prior, Antichrist revealed?
tmalone10 - it IS a salvation issue! According to Rev 22:18,19 Who ever tells this lie is also taking away from the words of this book of prophecy and according to scripture "God shall take away his part out of the book of life"
Dont listen to men or woman that teach this lie'ing human made doctrine abt pre trib rapture. Some know they are lieing, most are decived. Wake up and read the scriptures as it should. Not tweaking verses to support a fake happening.
@lyon2k it does no one any service for you to say that people are lying. You can prove this video is completely wrong and unbiblical by telling everyone scripturally who will populate the Millennium if indeed a post-tribulation rapture is correct. It can't be the Jewish remnant, 144,000 witnesses or those who take the mark. Scripture completely eliminates them from contention if a post-trib. rapture is correct. Again, my position on the timing of the rapture is not a salvation issue
@lyon2k I find it very puzzling that post-trib. believers continue to write comments that the pre-trib. rapture is a lie but give no proof. The Millennium is actually a more important part of the last days than the tribulation period. But when asked if a post-trib. rapture is correct who will populate the Millennium they have absolutely no answer. Please, just answer the question and stop making accusations you can't prove. Place Christian child bearing humans in the millennium
@tmalone10 Your own interpretation is making you say, it has to be this way. You should empty your mind. And Just read 2Thess 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our -gathering together unto him-. The last part here has to be the rapture. Then verse 2 Paul ask them to not be decived. He writing that verse directly to you also,dont be decived and your jumping over it. Its that easy. The Rapture and the day of the Lord are after the Great tribulation.
@lyon2k Place Christian child bearing humans in the Millennium using a post-trib rapture. Rev. 14:6-11; Rev. 19:11-15; Matt. 25:31-41 says it can't be those who take the mark. They will be cast into the lake of fire. That's not an interpretation it literally says they will be cast into the lake of fire. It can't be the Jewish remnant, Rev. 12:17 says they will know the Lord by the mid-way point of the tribulation period. A post-trib. rapture would rapture them.
@tmalone10 Firstly this question is misused by you,(who will populate the millenium). If Paul and Christ clearly states a Post trib rapture view, who are you to make interpretrations on this question have to be answered for yourself to belive Christ and Paul.? Thats igorance. I belive Paul and Christ. Secondly making this question abt the population difficult could be how you interpretrate those verses you use to "disprove". In Rev 12:17 are those us or all jew-messaiah belivers? -
@lyon2k if you can't place Christian child bearing humans in the millennium using a post-trib. rapture it's not true. I most certainly can with a pre-trib. rapture. I suggest you keep believing what you want.
@tmalone10 Read again. Who are you to say thats only the christ beliveing Jews? imean both those in hiding and those not hiding. Even if the last part of the sentence say testimony of Christ. Those that automatically mean those in Hiding is christian Jews? Everytime I read that verse without even thinking about rapture and millenium, it always occurd to me that those people with the testomony of Christ is the the elect/belivers/church. Bec in one spiritual way we are seeds of Israel.
@lyon2k this is basic prophecy 101. Everyone in the post-trib. and pre-trib. camps believe this verse is referring to the Jewish remnant. But if you want to believe they aren't for the sake of continuing to hold on to the post-trib. rapture theory you are welcome to.
@lyon2k 'Bec in one spiritual way we are seeds of Israel"
Not just spiritual, but in flesh bloodline also. The tribes of Israel(Jacob) were scattered all over the world, but Our Heavenly Father knows where they are and shall gather His chosen from the 4 corners of the earth.
@tmalone10 Or are you claiming we are not? We are the seed of Abraham spiritually, are we not? (Rom 9:6-8). We have all the thing from the Jews -Israel. The Law, the covenants, Jesus, profeths, apostels etc. Abram is the father of all Israel-jews in body and us(beliveing gentiles) and beliveing jews spiritually.. I just think you have to be careful conclude all this spess in revelation based on what your brain make logical. Be humble towards the scripture, brother.
@tmalone10 Again I think its your seek after logical answers and some wrongly interpretation that make you not willingly accept the rapture is after the great tribulation. Or more reasons. If you have so many conclusions? What makes out of the 30 and 45 days in Daniel 12? Do you have a conclusion to those? See brother, being eager in scripture is really good. But be careful to teach things as a 100% fact unless thats what it means. That saying goes for me and all others.
@lyon2k again prophecy 101. The 30 and 45 days of Daniel 12 is the time of judgment of the nations and preparation for the start of the millennium. But what does that have to do with who will populate the millennium. Just answer the question. Who will populate the millennium? I can certainly answer that question using a pre-trib. rapture. Are you trying to tell me you have no one entering the millennium for Jesus to reign over (1000 years?). Post-tribbers simply have no answer.
@tmalone10 Oh really? Your fast on your conclusions on Daniel 12. I "love"- actually cry- how decived people really "knows" all.. I already told you that I belive you interpretrate some verese wrongly. I belive unbeliveing Jews will not get reaptured and be a human part of the millenium. Because the millenium is also the kingdom of Israel. (Acts 1:6) So the jews belive thorugh the prophets that a kingdom of Israel with the Messaiah theyr still wating for, is gonna be a reality.
@tmalone10 So that is actually pretty logical that the unbeliveing jews will accept Christ at hes coming and not before. But will be a human part of the amazing kingdom for them, after all the hardships they had in the past. Still they will probabably gonna hurt alot for being decieved who the true Messaih was. You know they expected the Messaiah to be a king like, but jesus was poor etc, they could not accept him. But now they will all UNDERSTAND that he was and is.
@tmalone10 "Are you trying to tell me you have no one entering the millennium for Jesus to reign over (1000 years?). Post-tribbers simply have no answer."
There are NO HUMANS--NO FLESH MAN, At the 7th Trump, we are ALL changed back to our original bodies, which are spiritual. The Millennium is a time of teaching by those who overcome to those who were not taught God's Truth this round, but were deceived, and they will face the 2nd death.
@tmalone10 This should read as "There are NO HUMANS--NO FLESH MAN, AFTER the 7th Trump-Last Trump,"
All flesh is changed back to spiritual-incorruptible bodies; some with immortal souls--1st resurrection. Others with mortal souls--likely to die the 2nd death, and these will face the final test when satan is unbound for a short season.
@tmalone10 In that manner, I belive Daniel and Revelation is harder to know all, nobody knows all so we should be very careful atleast when its so much profecy with figure speach etc. But I dont think the rapture is so much figure speach in the manner of when. Bec again Paul and Christ seem to teach the same thing- After- Iam just telling you that be uber careful teaching the pre trib in public and to others, bec it may harm theyr faith ALOT, when it does not happen. Please bro.
@lyon2k I'm a prophecy teacher, that's what I do. The pre-trib. rapture is just a very small part of my teaching. Until someone can scripturally prove it wrong I will continue to teach it. Every Christian I know has their faith in Jesus not the pre-trib. rapture. I or no one else I know lives their life around the timing of the rapture. If the Lord comes in my lifetime so be it, nut if not, I will continue to serve Him. It has nothing to do with the rapture. It's not salvation issue
@tmalone10 I agree its not a salvation issue. But you have to take the weak in faith to consideration. If they trust you and you were wrong. You have a great responsibillity on Judgement day. Bec its no wonder that many belivers have put their faith so strongly to this pre trib rapture and dinner in heaven. I mean if a small soul watch your video and belive that by her/hes heart. You have to answer for yourself. Thats why also James said, dont be teachers, = heavier judgement
@tmalone10 Your clearly making different conclusions in Revelation and other scriptures. That makes you say the people who will populate the Millenium, have to be what you say. Maybe you should be a bit more careful for those conclusions? Who concluded the 2 witnesses is the first half? Who concluded that those taking the mark and worshipping the beast was cast directly into the lake of fire?
@lyon2k The Bible is clear that those who take the mark will be cast into the lake of fire when the Lord returns with the Saints (Rev. 14:6-11; Rev. 19:11-15; Matt. 25:31-41) to first judge the nations and then rule for 1000 years. No assumptions necessary. Let's assume you are right and the 2 witnesses do appear in 2nd half. They will be raptured along with all Christians at post-trib. rapture. Who's left to populate the Millennium?
@tmalone10 Go to w w w nopretrib rapture dot org - There is verse after verse & teaching after teaching straight from Jesus that we 'Are to endure to the end' that the harvest is at His appearing, and that the wicked are severed from the just and THEN the harvest takes place. That leaves nobody. As a stout Pre-Tribber I understand the confusion. After actually studying Scripture instead of just listening to lectures/Sermons - l found the Bible totally teaches different and even WHY!
@jsmappy anyone can attach verses to an argument they support. I've seen all the verses and heard all the arguments from supposed ex-pre-tribbers. I read the Bible and study for myself like every pre-tribber does. There are just as many if not more verses that teach that the rapture will be pre-trib. But I'm certainly not going to waste my time debating it. It's not a spiritual or salvation issue.
@tmalone10 there are not just as many verses that support the pre-trib viewpoint, in fact, there are none. The only vs. you have to support your viewpoint are the ones that you distort. I'm not trying to be crude but really a young child could read the Bible and determine that there is no pre-trib rapture, why can't you? Perhaps it is b/c you refuse to believe it as you said in your video...there are so many scriptures to refute your video that I'd rather not even waste my time...
@JD2010CWS "Perhaps it is b/c you refuse to believe it as you said in your video...there are so many scriptures to refute your video that I'd rather not even waste my time.."
I agree, getting to that point myself. In most cases, they are afraid, believing that their easy chosen path to fly away, tho not biblical, just scripture taken out of context, will save them from what's coming. So little faith in Our Father to protect His own. This is also written and part of the Word of God.
@RememberPaulRevere exactly correct, it gets to be so frustrating sometimes dealing with people who refuse to look at the facts. At the same time it is our duty to make sure the truth is out there.
@JD2010CWS It's our duty to put it out there but they won't believe it.The # of martyred Christians on that sea of glass tell us that.Only those who keep the word of His patience (patiently enduring to the end) even stand a chance of being protected.Only a remnant will have been faithful enough to merit that.The promise is not to all Christians, only to those who meet the criteria. Everyone else will be martyred.They'll just have to go that route.No choice if they won't listen.
@jsmappy but instead of warning me about something that simply doesn't matter, do this for me. The minute the tribulation period starts, be sure to email me. The minute you find out what the great deception of the Antichrist is email me. I will in turn contact all my viewers and readers and pass this information along to them so we are not deceived and believe the lie of the Antichrist and take the mark. Surely, that's why u are warning now, to keep me from being deceived n the future?
@tmalone10 And just who is going to answer your email & contact all your viewers. Got some people lined up that are going to be down here? I know, contact some of the post-tribbers and just tell them when there are World Wide wind/thunderstorms, severe lightning & flooding (because in 1Thessalonians 4:13-18 billions of us will zip through those clouds at 1/6 of a nanosecond), it happened. Many people will be found dead, some still in their coffins; but NOT all. We'll be with Jesus
@JesusHoldMyHand1 what is the you do not understand, read the Bible, it is clear, check out skydivers youtube videos for further explanation, it's very simple sir/ma'am, just read a few scriptures
@tmalone10 "The minute you find out what the great deception of the Antichrist is email me."
If you are a "prophecy teacher" how say you don't know this is found thru out the Word of God in specific DETAIL,with SIGNS and EVENTS to document them? Wow...people just amaze and stun me..
READ the WORD for yourself people, using KJV Bible and Strong Concordance....AND as God intended, precept upon precept, line upon line...Find the SUBJECT and READ it--.don't mix up scriptures from others
I have a couple problems with your video. 1) You never explained why a pre-trib rapture doesn't suffer the very same dillemma. 2) You didn't say when the tribulation saints who are killed by antichrist will be resurrected. 3) You never talked about the REMNANT of both Jews and Gentiles who are not Christians but are found in the Book of Life and do not take the mark. Nor do you mention the 144,000 who are sealed. No rapture before the dead rise.
@RobertMOdell 1) the pre-trib. rapture doesn't have same delimma, I've proved that in another video. 2) This is explained in the Bible clearly if you take a pre-trib. rapture and works out perfctly. 3) The fate of the remnant and Christians is easily worked out and has been explained by me in both video and written form. Same with 144,000 witnesses. You will have to do the searching on my site & channel for the videos. But they are easily identifiable.
@tmalone10 Why are you dodging my questions? You should answer at least one of them in simple sentences so that I can know what you are proposing. Your message is incomplete in this video so there's no way to know what you are postulating or whether or not it agrees with scripture.
@RobertMOdell I'm not dodging your questions. I created videos a long time ago that completely discredits each of your questions. These videos are readily available to the public. Of course, you must realize I get many questions and many who want to debate about issues I have already addressed. It's not a good use of my time to debate over questions I have already dis-proven with scripture.
@tmalone10 Discredit a question? Are we both speaking english here? When someone asks you a question, it is because they want to know your answer. Or, you could provide links to your other videos which explain your lose ends elsewhere.
@RobertMOdell here are the names of the videos: Is The Rapture The First Resurrection?, Pre-trib vs. 7th Trump vs. Post-trib Raptures: Matthew 24 Explained, Post Tribulation Rapture! The Remnant Will Populate The Millennium...Not So Fast!, Why a post-tribulation rapture can't possibly be correct!, Will Pre-trib. Rapture Believer's Fall Away When The Rapture Doesn't Happen?
@tmalone10 Thank you. I listened to them. Seems you are teaching a pre-trib translation of both dead and living followed by a trib that will create new saints in some way. The new saints will mostly be killed by antichrist, then at some unclear point near the end, both living and dead will again be translated into glorified bodies and live through the millenium on earth. Is that what you are saying?
Pre-trib rapturists (I used to be one) have been led to believe that there are not one but two raptures or gatherings ("parousia" - greek, to go out and meet the dignitary, then escort him back to the village). They are not physically prepared to endure the beginning of sorrows, and will not be spiritually prepared to adjust when they realize they are not being raptured and have been misled. That's why I said, What happens, will happen, regardless of what your wishes are for an easy way out.
@mattandpatti222 you can't speak for pre-trib. rapture believers as to what they believe. No one I know believes in 2 raptures. You may attempt to split it in 2 but we pre-trib. believers do not accept it. You also have no Biblical basis for saying any Christian is unable to endure the very persecution the Bible has said Christians potentially could encounter throughout church history. But that has nothing to do with whether or not rapture will be pre-tribulation.
In the end, what's going to happen, is going to happen, regardless of your interpretation of pre, mid, or post. Pre-tribbers will not be spiritually prepared, nor have oil in their lamps, when it comes.
@mattandpatti222 you fail to understand what spiritual preparedness is. It is now and will in the future be a complete dependance of the Lord Jesus Christ for your very existence. It is trusting Jesus as Lord, Savior, and Guide. It's depending on the Holy Spirit to saturate your life with His power. It is complete surrender to His will. If you have another definition of spiritual preparedness I'd like to hear it. I want 2 hear yr plan for being prepared that I do not possess
@tmalone10 you said that complete dependance of the Lord Jesus Christ for your very existence. It is trusting Jesus as Lord, Savior, and Guide. It's depending on the Holy Spirit to saturate your life with His power. It is complete surrender to His will. is how to be prepared, but I say this is the only way to be saved now or ever!!!! so I guess I am ready, I actually look forward to being beheaded, HALLELUJAH, blessings are coming my way, thank You Jesus! I'm serious! see you soon :)
@mattandpatti222 when Who comes? Jesus, to get His bride, the church, for the supper of the Lamb!!!! at the end He comes to establish His kingdom, so who is deceived on this issue, you are the one who brought up the virgins and the oil so in essence your statement is an oxymoron!!!! love ya in the Lord, Gods blessings and peace
@sharlyates40 By "when it comes", I meant tribulation and the final Day of the Lord, judgement day. 1Thes 5:12, Joel 2:31, Mark 13:24, Isa 13:9-10, Rev 6:12, Mat 24:29-30, 1Thes 4:16, all refer to the Day of the Lord at the last trumpet, when the sun and moon darken, the stars fall, the heavens are shaken. Nothing secret from anyone, righteous or not. Mat 13:40 speaks of gathering first the tares to be bound and burned at the end of the world. He brings not peace, but a sword. Blessings.
@mattandpatti222 fair enough, but I still disagree, see my side on the issue at EYEeb2ysy6U send me a link and I will watch your side ...Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together,”
@sharlyates40 Okay, I watched. I can give a video, but I'd rather just use applicable scriptures, in context. Two things can happen, I'll meet you in the air at the pre-trib rapture, or you'll be surprised and unprepared for tribulation. We're both familiar with Mat 24 and Luke 17, "...As in the days of Noah...One taken, one left..." Check out Mat 24:28 and Luke 17:37, "Where Lord? Where the body(carcase) is, the eagles(vultures) will be gathered. Those "taken' are taken to destruction.
I won't run down random rabbit trails with people who refuse to consider the possibility that there are those who profess to know Christ but are trusting in a false hope. Even Jesus said that many in the last days will be turned away... "I never knew ye. Depart from me, ye who work iniquity." Good day to you.
@RBNightlinger you don't have to run down random rabbit trails, just tell us who will populate the millennium if the post-trib. rapture is correct? I can take the pre-trib. rapture and go straight into the Millennium with a smooth transition from dispensation to dispensation. You can't with the post-trib. rapture. That is very critical in Bible prophecy and until you can you will continue to explain it away with random unrelated scripture.
I don't presume to think I know who is saved and who isn't. You're adding to my words. Salvation is between Christ and each individual sinner. Again, the Bible speaks of those who suffer with false hopes. To deny it is to deny Scripture.
@RBNightlinger Have you read Matthew 25:1-13? 10 Virgins = 10 Christians ... Bridegroom = Jesus Christ. Now, can you tell me why the 5 Foolish Christians were left behind? They are missing the Wedding Banquet, even though they are "Saved". Why did Jesus close that door (Revelation 4:1) on them?
@RBNightlinger Many, many Christians "fall away". Do you know what "fall away" means? I also ask you if you know any Bible Believing, Saved Christians who are living with Live-in Lovers, steal just a little "something" from work? Do you know any who attend Mormon, Jehovah's Witnesses, any "church" that welcomes Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, to preach "words of enlightenment"? How about those who pray to dead people & Mary; bow before a supposed "man of god" the pope? Falling Away?
@JesusHoldMyHand1 No, I don't know any 'Bible believing saved Christians' who live with a live-in lover or who are members of cults or pray to the dead because real Christians don't do those things. There are saved people and then there are those who THINK they're saved but aren't. The Bible is full of examples of those living under fall hopes. Unfortunately, most these days fall for the lies put forth by the Scofield bible and choose to believe everyone who professes to know Jesus is saved.
@RBNightlinger And just how do you know who's saved and who isn't? Jesus Christ IS TALKING to the Bible Believing, Saved Christians in Revelation 2 & 3. As a matter of fact, He tells those Believers in Revelation 2:4-5 they need to repent because they left Him, their first love. Revelation 2 & 3 tell us about the "types" of Believers that WILL go through the Great Tribulation. Only those in the Smyrna & Philadelphia Churches will NOT go through it. They ARE Faithful to Christ
Pre & Post Trib are wrong.Here's why.Jesus'Comings in Mat.24 & Rev.19 are NOT one & the same."Immediately after the Tribulation"in Mat 24:29 is in the midst of The Tribulation/Great Tribulation period according to Jesus in Lk17:24-36. In vs30,31 He says He will be "Revealed" IN THAT DAY when the Jews must flee in haste.That day according to Him in Mat 24 is at The Abom.of Des.in the midst of Daniel's Week.That's the Appointed Time & The End Dan 11:27-31. At that time it will occur Dan 12:1-3.
Have you studied the parable of the Wheat and the Tares (Matt. 13:24-30, 36-43)? In relation to a pre-trib rapture what are your thoughts on this parable?
@mrlantern23 my thoughts are that the wheat and tares are at the end of the tribulation period and that the wheat will be those who enter into the Millennium and the tares those who will be burn in the fire for taking the mark.
The Bible is crystal clear on the timing of the rapture. A 12 year old can read it for you and tell you where it is in Matthew 24 and when it is in relationship to antichrist and the great tribulation.
Do a word study on the elect in the New Testament and look at every verse and you will see it always refers to believers and the church and never refers to the nation of Israel.
This false teaching prevails because it makes the false teachers and false prophets who teach it RICH!
@classicjukebox Have you ever read Matthew 25:1-13? The 10 Virgins are 10 Christians.....the Bridegroom is Jesus Christ. When He closes the door on the 5 Foolish, they are NOT going WITH Christ to the Wedding Banquet. Revelation 19:7-10 The 5 Wise are the Bride of Christ.....then 5 Foolish stay down here during the Great Tribulation. While you're at it also read Matthew 24:40-44 The "Coming of the Son of Man" is talking about the Rapture. NOT the 2nd Coming. REPENT
Jesus said as it was in the days of Noah so shall the coming of man be, Right? so think of it this way, Noah didn't have to suffer in the flood, He was taken away from it by the ark, Jesus will come to take us away, We believers are his bride(The Church) :)
Matthew 24:29-31 goes into detail the final times of the tribulation and Matt 24:33 says that "when you see all these things, you can know His return is very near, right at the door"
So, (not looking for argument or anything) how would this fit in with a pre-trib rapture when Jesus Himself is saying that after the tribulation, THEN He will come?
@GamingGuru651 Christ is giving an overview of what the Great Tribulation is going to be like for those who are living at that time. If you continue read, He also says what it was like in the days of Noah (and Lot in Luke). What was it like? Marrying/giving in marriage, eating/drinking, buying/selling, planting/building....there was NO warning about their coming Judgment. Over & over the Son of Man says He's coming with NO warning. Matt 25:1-13. Plenty of Warnings BEFORE His 2nd Coming
@MegaScorpio30 "Why do they talk about the last trumpet that we gather to the Lord. "Why do they talk about the last trumpet that we gather to the Lord.That confuses me. Is the last trumpet the 7th trumpet?"
YES--Because those who can understand the SUBJECT being talked about, can easily see it is written exactly that way, least, for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.
Satan #6th Seal, 6th Trump, 6th Vial. Our Saviour Jesus Christ returns to us on the 7th & Last Trump.
@jason77763 I disagree. The Anti-Christ has to be revealed after the rapture. The Holy Sprit is in the Church (True Christians.) It will never leave us so the Spirit takes us with it.
2 Thessalonians 2:7-8. Verse 7 talks about the Holy Spirit. It states that the Holy Spirit is preventing the evil from accuring. The evil will accure when the Holy Spirit and the Church is gone.
@jason77763 It's a 7 year GREAT TRIBULATION. Just as Jesus tells the FAITHFUL Believers in Revelation 3:10 they will NOT be here on Earth during that time. "When the Chief Shepherd APPEARS you will receive a Crown of Glory..." 1Peter 5:4. See the Crowns on the elders in Revelation 4:1-5? They got them at the Rapture - they're a REWARD. Revelation 22:12. 12 of the elders are the Apostles: Matthew 19:28. I also believe the other 12 are OT Prophets: Isaiah, Ezekel, Daniel, John the Baptist
@jason77763 The Peace Agreement & Great Tribulation START at the Same time. The Antichirst is Seal #1 - the middle of GT is Revelation 13, then 1,260 days (3.5 years) Jesus returns WITH His Bride - The Called, Chosen & Faithful Followers - Revelation 17:14 & 19:7-20. If you follow the sequence, The 144,000 are "sealed", the Remnant is taken to a "safe place", the 2 Witnesses have now preached for 3.5 years & are Raptured, the 144,000 are Raptured - and that's it. No More Rapture
@ashqelonsunset Frequently Christ or the Apostles tell us that Jesus/Day of the Lord is coming as a "thief in the night" or as a "thief". It happens quickly, suddenly, quietly....Matthew 24:39; 42-44; 1Thessalonians 5:2; 2Peter 3:10; Revelation 3:10; 16:15 Over & over we are told He IS COMING SOON WITHOUT WARNING. Revelation 22:12. We are to be READY. What does Ready mean??? NOT to be living IN SIN. Those who are doing so will NOT be in the Rapture....they will repent during the GT.
@ashqelonsunset Why don't try reading God's Word. It's not what I say, but what He says. If you love Me, you'll follow My commandments. If you love Me, you'll obey what I say. Did Jesus EVER say: I know you love Me, so go on and have some fun, have a lot of sex with different people, steal all you want, murder each other, and be sexually immoral????? Please read Revelation 2 to 3. He tells those Believers what He Loves about them & what He is displeased with. He constantly says REPENT!!!!!
@ashqelonsunset I know when people post as you have done, I've hit a raw nerve. You're either involved in sin, or someone you know is & you're trying to justify it. 1Corinthians 6:9-11 states it very well. Your name calling, and direct conflict with the Holy Scriptures of God will NOT do you any good. Don't be blind & deaf to what's going on. Just because "living in sin" has become acceptable to the world doesn't erase the fact that Jesus said: DON'T DO IT!!!! Don't like that? Tell God.
@mbld45thy7 totally agreed the pre trib rapture is a theory only 200 years old the post trib since the early 2nd century by people who could've known the apostles
There are no verses in scripture that say the resurrection will be prior to the tribulation period, nor are there verses of scripture that say the resurrection will be prior to the beginning of sorrows.
@tmalone10 No it is a rapture. We meat Yeshua in the clouds and Her takes us to the same place the other Christ-followers are. The Rapture of 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 and 1 Thes 4:13-18 is clearly described after the "hour"
@tmalone also, all Christians agree Yeshua (Jesus) judges us after the tribulation, if He hasn't judged us yet there is no way we could be deemed righteous for heaven or wicked for hell
ur first point disproved your whole stance! you said that we all Christians get raptured at the same time. True. So if why would the current church all be raptured then the rest have hell on earth for 7 years. The Bible also calls the Rapture and Resurrection and returni of Jesus the day of the Lord. We also all get resurrected bodies at once not the first wave of Christians get them then the ones at the end get them. Pre Trib is a totally unbiblical theory.
@NoJo1917 Christ comes for those who "died" in Him, then those Christians who are FAITHFUL, LIVING FOR HIM will be changed & meet Him in the air. He explains this in Revelation 3:10. Please read Matthew 25:1-13. The door will be slammed shut on many Christians who are NOT Ready for Him. To be READY means not to be living in sin when the Rapture happens. Do you know any Christians that are living with a lover, having children out of wedlock, homosexuals, stealing, murdering. BEING FAITHFUL?
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Revelation 3:10 says that God wil protect us in the hour. lol and Matthew 24 is totally in support of post trib! Matt 24 3-21 talk of the trip then verse 22 says for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. we are the elect and if we are suippin lemonade up in heaven we wouldnt need the days shortened then verses 29-35 talk of the return. The return is described after the trouble. also God saves His people by delivering them through not taking them out. think of Noah
@NoJo1917 An hour is not 60 minutes. It's a period or length of time. "When the Chief Shepherd APPEARS, you will receive a Crown of Glory..." 1Peter 5:4 The 24 elders in Revelation 4:1-5 HAVE their Crowns. They get them at the Rapture, when we get ours. We will receive all our Rewards (Crowns & Earthly Kingdom Assignments), watch the Coronation of Jesus, go to the Wedding Ceremony & Supper of the Lamb, then come back WITH Him. In Rev 5:6 Jesus looks like a LAMB, no Crowns; Rev 17:14; 19:7-20
@JesusHoldMyHand1 I know the hour isn't LITERALLY an hour its the seve years, anywho, your pretrib belief is ALL inferring. and Daniel 11:11-12 talks about seven years but states 1335 days which is over 100 extra days. Thse are probs the days of the wedding supper.
@NoJo1917 The Rapture happens between Revelation 3:22 & 4:1 We don't know how many weeks, months or years it will be until Jesus opens His Seals for His Judgemnts & Wrath. The 1st Seal is the introduction to the antichrist, followed by war, famine & death.
@NoJo1917 The Rapture happens between Revelation 3:22 & 4:1 We don't know how many weeks, months or years it will be until Jesus opens His Seals for His Judgemnts & Wrath. The 1st Seal is the introduction to the antichrist, followed by war, famine & death. The 1st Seal STARTS the Great Tribulation.
@NoJo1917 An hour is not 60 minutes. It's a period or length of time. "When the Chief Shepherd APPEARS, you will receive a Crown of Glory..." 1Peter 5:4 The 24 elders in Revelation 4:1-5 HAVE their Crowns. They get them at the Rapture, when we get ours. We will receive all our Rewards (Crowns & Earthly Kingdom Assignments), watch the Coronation of Jesus, go to the Wedding Ceremony & Supper of the Lamb, then come back WITH Him. In Rev 5:6 Jesus looks like a LAMB, no Crowns; Rev 17:14; 19:7-20
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet
at that point they will repent and turn to Christ. Remember, they will mourn? The remnant Jews will be here to repopulate the earth. Also, there may be some sheep (those writen in the Book of the Lamb from the foundation) that have not been found at the point of Jesus return. They have refused the mark, but they havent been saved yet. They will also be here to repopulate. Matthew 24 says that Jesus sends His angels to gather the elect (rapture) IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribualtionof thosedays
Your are missing a few key points. When the 7th and last trumpet sounds, all born again believers will be raptured and we will forever remain with the Lord. The Holy Spirit does NOT necessarily leave with them. Yes, the Spirit is present in all believers but He is not LIMITED to dwelling in the believers. He also is present in the world convicting, drawing, etc. So the Spirit will remain. At Christs appearance in the sky we will be raptured, but the remnant Jews will remain on earth....
@Kingram417 I cover in detail the Jewish remnant and the holy spirit during the tribulation period in my other videos. If you want to see them you can easily find them on my channel. Nothing has been left out.
@Kingram417 The 7th Trumpet is blown by an Angel & is of JUDGMENT (earthquake & massive hailstorm). Jesus' VOICE sounds LIKE a Trumpet..Revelation 1:10 & 4:1. At the Rapture He is hidden by the Clouds (as in Acts 1:9) & the ONLY people that see Him are those in the Rapture. He comes as a "thief in the night", quickly, suddenly, quietly...there will be NO warning. Matthew 24:36-44 Also read Matthew 25:1-13 The 10 Virgins are 10 Christians...5 go WITH the Lord.....5 do NOT. LEFT BEHIND
Excellent explanation! I would also just like to add this: If the righteous are raptured after the tribulation, and the wicked destroyed, than when does the sheep and goats judgment take place? The separation already occurred with the rapture, so when does Christ place the sheep on the right and the goats on the left; which happens AFTER Christ returns not during. If the rapture happens before the tribulation than judgment fits in perfectly after Christ comes in glory.
As you can see and read, when a post-tibber (JesusSaves20112011) is forced to place someone in the Millennium to repopulate it, they all have to quietly change the subject and you never hear from them again. I have tried all the rapture scenarios and the only one that places Christians in the Millennium is the pre-trib rapture. Until someone can prove otherwise I will continue to believe it is the correct interpretation. If u believe another rapture theory than prove it. I'm listening.
@tmalone10 1. who says the earth needs to be repopulated? show me an indication of that in the bible. Who said we are on earth for the millenium? again biblical evidence. Show me where the bible says there is a rapture separate from when every eye will see Jesus. Show me where the Bible says there is a 7 year triblulation. I have looked at these teachings, they aren't Biblcal.
@BibleCreationist as I said on my video, if you don't believe in the Biblically recognized timeline of a seven year tribulation period followed by a 1,000 year earthly reign of Christ with Saints please don't bother emailing me. We are not on the same page. You may want to check the comments of your fellow 7th trump/post-trib believers. Ask them the same above questions. I'm very confident they don't question the need/validity of people on earth during Millennium.
@tmalone10 I'm a pri-trib believer but it was one thing I could never understand. I been trying to find out how people know its a 7 year tribulation period. Maybe its something I don't understand yet
@MegaScorpio30 Revelation states that the tribulation period is made up of 2 halves of 1260 days each. One year equals 360 days. In Daniel 9 it is also stated that the Antichrist will rule for one week and cut off the temple sacrifices at the halfway point. One week is interrrupted in this passage as to be one week of years or seven years. This is where you get a seven year timeframe.
@JesusSaves20112011 again, that's your opinion and I disagree. Back 2 the only way we can positively prove which rapture theory is correct. With a pre-tib. rapture I can place child bearing Christians n the Millennium (A must). Do the same with a 7th trump or post trib. rapture. If you can't put Christian humans entering into the Millennium thru your rapture belief then your belief is a lie. Prove to me that what you believe is not a lie. In writing give me your timeline to the millennium.
@JesusSaves20112011 I was courteous enough to answer your question about rapture scriptures. When I supplied them, as I predicted, you did not accept them. When I asked for you to answer my question, you have dodged and avoided (as predicted) to answer it. Answering this question is not a salvation issue. If you can't answer it just say you don't know the answer. It's commonsense to me that if you can't place Christians into the Millennium than your rapture theory is not correct.
@JesusSaves20112011 I can't possibly be a false teacher. I compel people to Jesus Christ. I believe in salvation through Christ alone. There is no other way to heaven. What you mean is we disagree on when the rapture will take place. You believe it will happen at a different time than when I believe it will take place. If you can place christian child bearing human on earth to enter the Millennium then I will consider your theory.
@JesusSaves20112011 If not, I have to stick with what I believe which is the pre-trib rapture. It does place the necessary child bearing Christians on earth to enter the Millennium. You simply can't do it with any other rapture theory. If you can than prove it. Stop wasting time calling good Bible believing soulwinning teachers false teachers just because they disagree with you and you can't even prove their theory wrong. Please do the math and get back to me with a commonsense answer.
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"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever." 1 Thessalonians 4:17
First Ressurection?
Revelation 20:4-5 . Post Trib
alielbaryeshua 1 hour ago
The 2nd resurrection doesn't happen until the last day, Jesus says this over & over, the 1st resurrection will be the tribulation saints who were killed during the tribulation period only. Average Christians do not fit the requirements for the 1st resurrection.
whittle4u 5 days ago
@whittle4u The Rapture of the Bride of Christ happens BEFORE the Great Tribulation starts. Those KILLED during the GT - Revelation 6 to 19 are "resurrected" ONLY - they NEVER "meet Christ in the Air". Jesus is on Earth at that time and they WALK into the Kingdom. Their bodies NEVER go to Heaven. Those in the Rapture receive Crowns: Rev. 22:12; 2Timothy 4:8; 1Peter 5:4; Rev 2:10 - The 24 elders in Rev 4:1-5 HAVE their Crowns. We get them when they get theirs.
JesusHoldMyHand1 4 days ago
"Sealed in their mind" - that's a NEW one on me. We are SEALED by God - the Holy Spirit. Ephesians 1:13-14.
JesusHoldMyHand1 1 week ago
2 Peter1:20-21" Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of men; but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit."
2 Peter 2:1-22 Destruction for false teachers--- (But know this beloved) 2 Peter 3:1-18 Our Father loves His children and unwilling for any to perish
RememberPaulRevere 2 weeks ago
Not everyone who doesn't take the mark is a Christian. Jews won't take the mark, neither will some in the nations. You presume that everyone whose name is written in the book of Life means that they have to be saved before the rapture. Not true. They will be saved before they DIE, which can be AFTER the rapture, which is why their name was written in the book of life BEFORE the foundation of the world. Your name was written there BEFORE you accepted Christ. So is theirs. Scripture teaches this.
conniemaew 2 weeks ago
@conniemaew Rev 20 There are those who overcome and of the 1st resurrection (shall be teachers-priests of God exempt from the next trial and 2nd death) and then there are those who will be taught in the Millennium who will take part in the next test when satan is released for a short season---if they follow satan again they will face the 2nd death.(Blotted out from memory-turned to ashes from within--death of the soul)
RememberPaulRevere 2 weeks ago
@RememberPaulRevere The overcomers in the church will be raptured before the millennium to judge & possibly teach yes & there will be those who haven't been Christians before the rapture but haven't taken the mark who'll go into the millennium then as believers(sheep).They'll face that 2nd Armageddon at the end of the millennium, agreed. I am guessing it will not be the first generation millennialists who do that, as they have gone through it once before. It will be the kids.
conniemaew 2 weeks ago
@conniemaew "The overcomers in the church will be raptured before the millennium to judge & possibly teach yes"
I agree in part of what you have stated. However, Where do you find we are to "judge" anyone?That is Our Fathers job isn't it? It states Rev.1:6 "..they shall be priests of God and of Christ.."
As to"kids" in the Millennium or human flesh existence, where do you find this? My study is ALL are changed at the 7th trump into spiritual bodies--there is no marriage in heaven.
RememberPaulRevere 2 weeks ago
@RememberPaulRevere Rev.20:4 judgment is given to those on the thrones & their will reign with Christ. 1 Cor 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world?1 Cor 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?The 12 disciples will judge the 12 tribes. Matt 19:28,Luke 22:30. We do this for 1000 yrs.Rev.20:4 before the 2nd resurrection.Ez.40-48 is millennial temple on earth with people. Zech 13 & 14 are Armageddon &
conniemaew 2 weeks ago
@conniemaew
Paul was being sarcastic in this verse....we pick up the subject in I Cor 5::9-13
1 Cor 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? (Who are the saints? Go to chapter 1:2 To them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints (Greek #40: Hagios: pure, blameless, religious, consecrated, holy) This refers to flesh men, not those in spiritual body.
-I agree-(They are part of the Elders)The 12 disciples will judge the 12 tribes.Matt 19:28,Luke 22:30
RememberPaulRevere 2 weeks ago
@RememberPaulRevere . How, given the context of 1 Cor. 6 you can think Paul is being sarcastic makes me realize that you read Scriptures with an eye to having it conform to your belief rather than reading it as given.Paul is chastising them for taking their disputes to the secular courts instead of the church elders.He tells them that one day they will judge the world, and if we are going to be handling such weighty matters should we not then be able to handle small ones now?
conniemaew 2 weeks ago
@conniemaew "Paul is chastising them for taking their disputes to the secular courts instead of the church elders."
I agree, hence his sarcasm in the following verses.
Set yourself up as judge if you wish..I know of only ONE TRUE JUDGE, Jesus Christ
Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ.."
John 12:47-50 48)He that rejected me,received not my word...the same shall judge him in the last day.
The rest are teachers or the ones being taught.
RememberPaulRevere 2 weeks ago
@RememberPaulRevere Just to finish this here then take it private, you say you agree that he is chastising them. But in this passage he is not being sarcastic. He means what he says. Nor is he in Romans 2:16, nor is Jesus being sarcastic in John. I'm sorry but are you thinking of another word than sarcasm? The word sarcasm most certainly doesn't apply to these verses.
conniemaew 2 weeks ago
@conniemaew Okay, I really got to looking at and into this matter and the chastisement & sarcasm both are correct IMO.
The focal point of Paul to the church in this letter is found in 5:1..."that one should have his father's wife" INCEST according to Lev 20:11
I sent you a private message explaining more findings....and YOU WERE RIGHT...God's Elect will be judges--I took the meaning 'saints' to be flesh of the church
RememberPaulRevere 2 weeks ago
@RememberPaulRevere We DO judge the Fallen Angels and the World: 1Corinthians 6:2-3 - Then we come back WITH Jesus to do the Judging: Jude 1:14-16. We're going to have some VERY BIG responsibilities - and sadly to say, we'll probably see a lot of the people that are here on youtube when we return. It may not be a pleasant "event" for some of them. STAY "Faithful" to Christ - "...called, chosen & FAITHFUL followers." Revelation 17:14 MARANATHA
JesusHoldMyHand1 1 week ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 "We DO judge the Fallen Angels and the World: 1Corinthians 6:2-3"
Perhaps, but least one "puff up", the TRUE and RIGHTEOUS JUDGE is Jesus Christ.
I think this "delegation of judging duties" will be for God's Elect, who will be appointed by Our Heavenly Father. Rev 20:6 states those of the 1st Resurrection shall be priests (teachers) and yes, priests were also judges of their communities, congregations, even family members.
RememberPaulRevere 1 week ago
@RememberPaulRevere Pesonally, I think we're the Jury. God will show us "video" of the person's life, how many sins they committed (their sins will be "found out"), who they hurt, what they said about the Lord, even here on youtube. Everything in their lives will be shown to us. Thank God I believe. I thank Him for forgiving me of my disgusting, filthy sins. One by one they will come before us - for us to Judge and Jesus to sentence. How dreadful it's going to be for them
JesusHoldMyHand1 1 week ago
@RememberPaulRevere Then he goes on to say that will be judging the angels (one day) so how much more should we be able to judge things that pertain to life now. There is no sarcasm here, there is chastisement and instruction, not fallacies. They were not to be dealing with wicked "brothers" either, but to keep their judgments in house as one day they would judge more weighty matters for Christ's kingdom. We will be in flesh, the same kind Christ was post-resurrection.
conniemaew 2 weeks ago
@RememberPaulRevere Have you read Ezekiel and Zechariah? That proves there are fleshly people in the millennium, and our job will be to help run the kingdom.In the parable of the talents the faithful servants were made rulers as a reward.This is speaking of the kingdom.I don't know why you have a problem accepting God's Word, but I guess it is up to you what you want to believe. I choose to believe what God says as being true. You can believe whatever you want.
conniemaew 2 weeks ago
@conniemaew Rev 20:4 Judgement given unto them..." (Who is them?) We have to go back to Rev. 19:4 to find the subject....What I find is the 24 Elders who have thrones, and 10) he that sat upon the white horse, called Faithful and True, and in righteousness HE doth judge and make war. 13) "..and his name is called the Word of God.
Judgement (Greek #2917 Krima: decision for or against, avenge, condemn, punish)
I bet each of the 12 disciples are themselves from each tribe?
RememberPaulRevere 2 weeks ago
@conniemaew "Ez.40-48 is millennial temple on earth with people."
(I respectfully disagree about this being the "Millennial temple era"---in 43 it talks about blood sin sacrifice....The Lamb of God, Jesus Christ, ended "Completed" that ritual.)
RememberPaulRevere 2 weeks ago
@RememberPaulRevere millennium. Notice 14:18-19, punishment to heathen during millennium for not observing Feast of Tabernacles (memorial of 2nd coming). Is.65:17-25 talks about millennium and people's offspring. There are survivors of the DOL. Particularly Israel, as they only accept Jesus when they see His Coming, but too late for rapture - Zech.12:10,Rev.1:7. Not just Israel survives, Zech.14:16 says those of the nations who survive Armageddon expected to go to temple too.
conniemaew 2 weeks ago
@RememberPaulRevere The millennium isn't in heaven it is on earth and on earth mortal humans do marry & procreate. It's in fulfillment of a promise made to Israel through David 2 Sam. 7:9-17.They're promised an earthly kingdom where people won't chase them off the land anymore. It's a time when Satan is bound for 1000 yrs & then let go at the end to round people up for a 2nd Armageddon Rev. 20:7-8. If it were heaven sin wouldn't still abound. It proves we can't blame Satan.
conniemaew 2 weeks ago
@conniemaew I agree the new kingdom will be on earth. To the other, perhaps, but according to Paul in I Cor. 15:50-52 '...Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither doth corruption inherit incorruption" 51)"...we shall not all sleep, be we shall all be changed. 52) '...the trumpet shall sound and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
RememberPaulRevere 2 weeks ago
@RememberPaulRevere Read Ezekiel & Zechariah and explain to me then how you deal with it.
conniemaew 2 weeks ago
@RememberPaulRevere I had to read the entire context of 1 Cor. 15 before answering that.He is explaining how different our glorified bodies will be from our corrupt bodies. Flesh and blood in our present corruption can't enter New Jerusalem the heavenly city, but that city will not be on earth during the millennium. Mortal flesh can enter earthly Jerusalem & just as Christ could walk on this earth in his glorified body, so will we. It will be corporeal, just different.
conniemaew 2 weeks ago
@conniemaew "Rev. 20:7-8. If it were heaven sin wouldn't still abound. It proves we can't blame Satan."
Not to argue, but it does not say sin abounds- satan is chained up for that 1000 yr time period. After the 1000 years of teaching those who did not overcome, who face the 2nd death-death of the soul, they shall be tested one last time by satan being loosed.If they follow him again, they will be judged according to their works, some are toast-blotted out,perish,ashes from within.
RememberPaulRevere 2 weeks ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Luke 21:25-28 this part along with the whole chapter is giving us signs to look for and saying to lift up our heads because are redemption is near, or at the doors. We will know when the time is close who are wise right?
DanielGlock26 1 month ago
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@JesusHoldMyHand1 I hear that I'm not sold on the pre-trib, I can show you some scripture and you can show me some scripture maybe one of us is wrong, email me Gtiguy3@hotmail.com I'm looking for the truth nothing more or less
DanielGlock26 1 month ago
Let's all make sure there is not to be any division amoungst us about this, were all in Jesus Christ and that's the most important part
DanielGlock26 1 month ago
@DanielGlock26 The point is that "many" Christians are NOT Faithful to Christ. They will go through the GT. Revelation 3:10 says that the FAITHFUL will NOT suffer the "test" that the whole world will have to go through. We come back WITH Christ. Rev 17:14; 19:7-21 Read Matthew 25:1-13. 10 Virgins = 10 Christians..Bridegroom = Jesus Christ .... the 5 Foolish Christians miss the Rapture: Jesus closes the door (Rev 4:1) on them. They will be living in sin when the Rapture happens
JesusHoldMyHand1 1 month ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 "Revelation 3:10 says that the FAITHFUL will NOT suffer the "test" that the whole world will have to go through. We come back WITH Christ."
Hmmm..those SEALED (in their mind) with the Truth of God's Word are not subject to His wrath on earth...we go nowhere, but stand and wait for His return.
As you say,"The 5 Foolish Christians miss the rapture"..NO they are TAKEN-Fall Away-the Apostasy, by the lies and deceit of satan, who is disguised as Messiah
RememberPaulRevere 2 weeks ago
@tmalone10 Hey great video thanks for the information, what is the next event we are to look for before the rapture will occur? I know it will be quick but will we witness anything prior, Antichrist revealed?
DanielGlock26 1 month ago
tmalone10 - it IS a salvation issue! According to Rev 22:18,19 Who ever tells this lie is also taking away from the words of this book of prophecy and according to scripture "God shall take away his part out of the book of life"
jsmappy 1 month ago
no pretrib rapture dot org/
We need not guess..... Prov 10:30 "The Righteous shall NEVER BE REMOVED; but THE WICKED shall not inherit the Earth."
Parable of the Wheat & Tares...and on and on and on.
jsmappy 1 month ago
Dont listen to men or woman that teach this lie'ing human made doctrine abt pre trib rapture. Some know they are lieing, most are decived. Wake up and read the scriptures as it should. Not tweaking verses to support a fake happening.
lyon2k 1 month ago
@lyon2k it does no one any service for you to say that people are lying. You can prove this video is completely wrong and unbiblical by telling everyone scripturally who will populate the Millennium if indeed a post-tribulation rapture is correct. It can't be the Jewish remnant, 144,000 witnesses or those who take the mark. Scripture completely eliminates them from contention if a post-trib. rapture is correct. Again, my position on the timing of the rapture is not a salvation issue
tmalone10 1 month ago
@lyon2k I find it very puzzling that post-trib. believers continue to write comments that the pre-trib. rapture is a lie but give no proof. The Millennium is actually a more important part of the last days than the tribulation period. But when asked if a post-trib. rapture is correct who will populate the Millennium they have absolutely no answer. Please, just answer the question and stop making accusations you can't prove. Place Christian child bearing humans in the millennium
tmalone10 1 month ago
@tmalone10 Your own interpretation is making you say, it has to be this way. You should empty your mind. And Just read 2Thess 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our -gathering together unto him-. The last part here has to be the rapture. Then verse 2 Paul ask them to not be decived. He writing that verse directly to you also,dont be decived and your jumping over it. Its that easy. The Rapture and the day of the Lord are after the Great tribulation.
lyon2k 1 month ago
@lyon2k Place Christian child bearing humans in the Millennium using a post-trib rapture. Rev. 14:6-11; Rev. 19:11-15; Matt. 25:31-41 says it can't be those who take the mark. They will be cast into the lake of fire. That's not an interpretation it literally says they will be cast into the lake of fire. It can't be the Jewish remnant, Rev. 12:17 says they will know the Lord by the mid-way point of the tribulation period. A post-trib. rapture would rapture them.
tmalone10 1 month ago
@tmalone10 Firstly this question is misused by you,(who will populate the millenium). If Paul and Christ clearly states a Post trib rapture view, who are you to make interpretrations on this question have to be answered for yourself to belive Christ and Paul.? Thats igorance. I belive Paul and Christ. Secondly making this question abt the population difficult could be how you interpretrate those verses you use to "disprove". In Rev 12:17 are those us or all jew-messaiah belivers? -
lyon2k 1 month ago
@lyon2k if you can't place Christian child bearing humans in the millennium using a post-trib. rapture it's not true. I most certainly can with a pre-trib. rapture. I suggest you keep believing what you want.
tmalone10 1 month ago
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@tmalone10 "if you can't place Christian child bearing humans in the millennium using a post-trib. rapture it's not true."
You think? Please post the scripture you claim proves this.
RememberPaulRevere 2 weeks ago
@tmalone10 Read again. Who are you to say thats only the christ beliveing Jews? imean both those in hiding and those not hiding. Even if the last part of the sentence say testimony of Christ. Those that automatically mean those in Hiding is christian Jews? Everytime I read that verse without even thinking about rapture and millenium, it always occurd to me that those people with the testomony of Christ is the the elect/belivers/church. Bec in one spiritual way we are seeds of Israel.
lyon2k 1 month ago
@lyon2k this is basic prophecy 101. Everyone in the post-trib. and pre-trib. camps believe this verse is referring to the Jewish remnant. But if you want to believe they aren't for the sake of continuing to hold on to the post-trib. rapture theory you are welcome to.
tmalone10 1 month ago
@lyon2k 'Bec in one spiritual way we are seeds of Israel"
Not just spiritual, but in flesh bloodline also. The tribes of Israel(Jacob) were scattered all over the world, but Our Heavenly Father knows where they are and shall gather His chosen from the 4 corners of the earth.
RememberPaulRevere 2 weeks ago
@tmalone10 Or are you claiming we are not? We are the seed of Abraham spiritually, are we not? (Rom 9:6-8). We have all the thing from the Jews -Israel. The Law, the covenants, Jesus, profeths, apostels etc. Abram is the father of all Israel-jews in body and us(beliveing gentiles) and beliveing jews spiritually.. I just think you have to be careful conclude all this spess in revelation based on what your brain make logical. Be humble towards the scripture, brother.
lyon2k 1 month ago
@tmalone10 Again I think its your seek after logical answers and some wrongly interpretation that make you not willingly accept the rapture is after the great tribulation. Or more reasons. If you have so many conclusions? What makes out of the 30 and 45 days in Daniel 12? Do you have a conclusion to those? See brother, being eager in scripture is really good. But be careful to teach things as a 100% fact unless thats what it means. That saying goes for me and all others.
lyon2k 1 month ago
@lyon2k again prophecy 101. The 30 and 45 days of Daniel 12 is the time of judgment of the nations and preparation for the start of the millennium. But what does that have to do with who will populate the millennium. Just answer the question. Who will populate the millennium? I can certainly answer that question using a pre-trib. rapture. Are you trying to tell me you have no one entering the millennium for Jesus to reign over (1000 years?). Post-tribbers simply have no answer.
tmalone10 1 month ago
@tmalone10 Oh really? Your fast on your conclusions on Daniel 12. I "love"- actually cry- how decived people really "knows" all.. I already told you that I belive you interpretrate some verese wrongly. I belive unbeliveing Jews will not get reaptured and be a human part of the millenium. Because the millenium is also the kingdom of Israel. (Acts 1:6) So the jews belive thorugh the prophets that a kingdom of Israel with the Messaiah theyr still wating for, is gonna be a reality.
lyon2k 1 month ago
@tmalone10 So that is actually pretty logical that the unbeliveing jews will accept Christ at hes coming and not before. But will be a human part of the amazing kingdom for them, after all the hardships they had in the past. Still they will probabably gonna hurt alot for being decieved who the true Messaih was. You know they expected the Messaiah to be a king like, but jesus was poor etc, they could not accept him. But now they will all UNDERSTAND that he was and is.
lyon2k 1 month ago
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@tmalone10 "Are you trying to tell me you have no one entering the millennium for Jesus to reign over (1000 years?). Post-tribbers simply have no answer."
There are NO HUMANS--NO FLESH MAN, At the 7th Trump, we are ALL changed back to our original bodies, which are spiritual. The Millennium is a time of teaching by those who overcome to those who were not taught God's Truth this round, but were deceived, and they will face the 2nd death.
I Cor 15 explains the bodies very well.
RememberPaulRevere 2 weeks ago
@tmalone10 This should read as "There are NO HUMANS--NO FLESH MAN, AFTER the 7th Trump-Last Trump,"
All flesh is changed back to spiritual-incorruptible bodies; some with immortal souls--1st resurrection. Others with mortal souls--likely to die the 2nd death, and these will face the final test when satan is unbound for a short season.
RememberPaulRevere 2 weeks ago
@tmalone10 In that manner, I belive Daniel and Revelation is harder to know all, nobody knows all so we should be very careful atleast when its so much profecy with figure speach etc. But I dont think the rapture is so much figure speach in the manner of when. Bec again Paul and Christ seem to teach the same thing- After- Iam just telling you that be uber careful teaching the pre trib in public and to others, bec it may harm theyr faith ALOT, when it does not happen. Please bro.
lyon2k 1 month ago
@lyon2k I'm a prophecy teacher, that's what I do. The pre-trib. rapture is just a very small part of my teaching. Until someone can scripturally prove it wrong I will continue to teach it. Every Christian I know has their faith in Jesus not the pre-trib. rapture. I or no one else I know lives their life around the timing of the rapture. If the Lord comes in my lifetime so be it, nut if not, I will continue to serve Him. It has nothing to do with the rapture. It's not salvation issue
tmalone10 1 month ago
@tmalone10 I agree its not a salvation issue. But you have to take the weak in faith to consideration. If they trust you and you were wrong. You have a great responsibillity on Judgement day. Bec its no wonder that many belivers have put their faith so strongly to this pre trib rapture and dinner in heaven. I mean if a small soul watch your video and belive that by her/hes heart. You have to answer for yourself. Thats why also James said, dont be teachers, = heavier judgement
lyon2k 1 month ago
@tmalone10 Your clearly making different conclusions in Revelation and other scriptures. That makes you say the people who will populate the Millenium, have to be what you say. Maybe you should be a bit more careful for those conclusions? Who concluded the 2 witnesses is the first half? Who concluded that those taking the mark and worshipping the beast was cast directly into the lake of fire?
lyon2k 1 month ago
@lyon2k The Bible is clear that those who take the mark will be cast into the lake of fire when the Lord returns with the Saints (Rev. 14:6-11; Rev. 19:11-15; Matt. 25:31-41) to first judge the nations and then rule for 1000 years. No assumptions necessary. Let's assume you are right and the 2 witnesses do appear in 2nd half. They will be raptured along with all Christians at post-trib. rapture. Who's left to populate the Millennium?
tmalone10 1 month ago
@tmalone10 Go to w w w nopretrib rapture dot org - There is verse after verse & teaching after teaching straight from Jesus that we 'Are to endure to the end' that the harvest is at His appearing, and that the wicked are severed from the just and THEN the harvest takes place. That leaves nobody. As a stout Pre-Tribber I understand the confusion. After actually studying Scripture instead of just listening to lectures/Sermons - l found the Bible totally teaches different and even WHY!
jsmappy 1 month ago
@jsmappy anyone can attach verses to an argument they support. I've seen all the verses and heard all the arguments from supposed ex-pre-tribbers. I read the Bible and study for myself like every pre-tribber does. There are just as many if not more verses that teach that the rapture will be pre-trib. But I'm certainly not going to waste my time debating it. It's not a spiritual or salvation issue.
tmalone10 1 month ago
@tmalone10 there are not just as many verses that support the pre-trib viewpoint, in fact, there are none. The only vs. you have to support your viewpoint are the ones that you distort. I'm not trying to be crude but really a young child could read the Bible and determine that there is no pre-trib rapture, why can't you? Perhaps it is b/c you refuse to believe it as you said in your video...there are so many scriptures to refute your video that I'd rather not even waste my time...
JD2010CWS 2 weeks ago
@JD2010CWS "Perhaps it is b/c you refuse to believe it as you said in your video...there are so many scriptures to refute your video that I'd rather not even waste my time.."
I agree, getting to that point myself. In most cases, they are afraid, believing that their easy chosen path to fly away, tho not biblical, just scripture taken out of context, will save them from what's coming. So little faith in Our Father to protect His own. This is also written and part of the Word of God.
RememberPaulRevere 2 weeks ago
@RememberPaulRevere exactly correct, it gets to be so frustrating sometimes dealing with people who refuse to look at the facts. At the same time it is our duty to make sure the truth is out there.
JD2010CWS 2 weeks ago
@JD2010CWS It's our duty to put it out there but they won't believe it.The # of martyred Christians on that sea of glass tell us that.Only those who keep the word of His patience (patiently enduring to the end) even stand a chance of being protected.Only a remnant will have been faithful enough to merit that.The promise is not to all Christians, only to those who meet the criteria. Everyone else will be martyred.They'll just have to go that route.No choice if they won't listen.
conniemaew 2 weeks ago
@conniemaew I agree but I also think we must keep trying, there are some who will believe but you are correct, most will not.
JD2010CWS 2 weeks ago
@JD2010CWS You are right brother---we must persevere as Our Heavenly Father would have us do.
May Our Heavenly Father strengthen us all in His mercy, love and the Truth of His Word
RememberPaulRevere 2 weeks ago
@jsmappy but instead of warning me about something that simply doesn't matter, do this for me. The minute the tribulation period starts, be sure to email me. The minute you find out what the great deception of the Antichrist is email me. I will in turn contact all my viewers and readers and pass this information along to them so we are not deceived and believe the lie of the Antichrist and take the mark. Surely, that's why u are warning now, to keep me from being deceived n the future?
tmalone10 1 month ago
@tmalone10 And just who is going to answer your email & contact all your viewers. Got some people lined up that are going to be down here? I know, contact some of the post-tribbers and just tell them when there are World Wide wind/thunderstorms, severe lightning & flooding (because in 1Thessalonians 4:13-18 billions of us will zip through those clouds at 1/6 of a nanosecond), it happened. Many people will be found dead, some still in their coffins; but NOT all. We'll be with Jesus
JesusHoldMyHand1 1 month ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 what is the you do not understand, read the Bible, it is clear, check out skydivers youtube videos for further explanation, it's very simple sir/ma'am, just read a few scriptures
JD2010CWS 2 weeks ago
@tmalone10 "The minute you find out what the great deception of the Antichrist is email me."
If you are a "prophecy teacher" how say you don't know this is found thru out the Word of God in specific DETAIL,with SIGNS and EVENTS to document them? Wow...people just amaze and stun me..
READ the WORD for yourself people, using KJV Bible and Strong Concordance....AND as God intended, precept upon precept, line upon line...Find the SUBJECT and READ it--.don't mix up scriptures from others
RememberPaulRevere 2 weeks ago
I have a couple problems with your video. 1) You never explained why a pre-trib rapture doesn't suffer the very same dillemma. 2) You didn't say when the tribulation saints who are killed by antichrist will be resurrected. 3) You never talked about the REMNANT of both Jews and Gentiles who are not Christians but are found in the Book of Life and do not take the mark. Nor do you mention the 144,000 who are sealed. No rapture before the dead rise.
RobertMOdell 1 month ago
@RobertMOdell 1) the pre-trib. rapture doesn't have same delimma, I've proved that in another video. 2) This is explained in the Bible clearly if you take a pre-trib. rapture and works out perfctly. 3) The fate of the remnant and Christians is easily worked out and has been explained by me in both video and written form. Same with 144,000 witnesses. You will have to do the searching on my site & channel for the videos. But they are easily identifiable.
tmalone10 1 month ago
@tmalone10 Why are you dodging my questions? You should answer at least one of them in simple sentences so that I can know what you are proposing. Your message is incomplete in this video so there's no way to know what you are postulating or whether or not it agrees with scripture.
RobertMOdell 1 month ago
@RobertMOdell I'm not dodging your questions. I created videos a long time ago that completely discredits each of your questions. These videos are readily available to the public. Of course, you must realize I get many questions and many who want to debate about issues I have already addressed. It's not a good use of my time to debate over questions I have already dis-proven with scripture.
tmalone10 1 month ago
@tmalone10 Discredit a question? Are we both speaking english here? When someone asks you a question, it is because they want to know your answer. Or, you could provide links to your other videos which explain your lose ends elsewhere.
RobertMOdell 1 month ago
@RobertMOdell here are the names of the videos: Is The Rapture The First Resurrection?, Pre-trib vs. 7th Trump vs. Post-trib Raptures: Matthew 24 Explained, Post Tribulation Rapture! The Remnant Will Populate The Millennium...Not So Fast!, Why a post-tribulation rapture can't possibly be correct!, Will Pre-trib. Rapture Believer's Fall Away When The Rapture Doesn't Happen?
tmalone10 1 month ago
@tmalone10 Thank you. I listened to them. Seems you are teaching a pre-trib translation of both dead and living followed by a trib that will create new saints in some way. The new saints will mostly be killed by antichrist, then at some unclear point near the end, both living and dead will again be translated into glorified bodies and live through the millenium on earth. Is that what you are saying?
RobertMOdell 1 month ago
Pre-trib rapturists (I used to be one) have been led to believe that there are not one but two raptures or gatherings ("parousia" - greek, to go out and meet the dignitary, then escort him back to the village). They are not physically prepared to endure the beginning of sorrows, and will not be spiritually prepared to adjust when they realize they are not being raptured and have been misled. That's why I said, What happens, will happen, regardless of what your wishes are for an easy way out.
mattandpatti222 1 month ago
@mattandpatti222 you can't speak for pre-trib. rapture believers as to what they believe. No one I know believes in 2 raptures. You may attempt to split it in 2 but we pre-trib. believers do not accept it. You also have no Biblical basis for saying any Christian is unable to endure the very persecution the Bible has said Christians potentially could encounter throughout church history. But that has nothing to do with whether or not rapture will be pre-tribulation.
tmalone10 1 month ago
In the end, what's going to happen, is going to happen, regardless of your interpretation of pre, mid, or post. Pre-tribbers will not be spiritually prepared, nor have oil in their lamps, when it comes.
mattandpatti222 1 month ago
@mattandpatti222 you fail to understand what spiritual preparedness is. It is now and will in the future be a complete dependance of the Lord Jesus Christ for your very existence. It is trusting Jesus as Lord, Savior, and Guide. It's depending on the Holy Spirit to saturate your life with His power. It is complete surrender to His will. If you have another definition of spiritual preparedness I'd like to hear it. I want 2 hear yr plan for being prepared that I do not possess
tmalone10 1 month ago
@tmalone10 you said that complete dependance of the Lord Jesus Christ for your very existence. It is trusting Jesus as Lord, Savior, and Guide. It's depending on the Holy Spirit to saturate your life with His power. It is complete surrender to His will. is how to be prepared, but I say this is the only way to be saved now or ever!!!! so I guess I am ready, I actually look forward to being beheaded, HALLELUJAH, blessings are coming my way, thank You Jesus! I'm serious! see you soon :)
sharlyates40 1 month ago
@mattandpatti222 when Who comes? Jesus, to get His bride, the church, for the supper of the Lamb!!!! at the end He comes to establish His kingdom, so who is deceived on this issue, you are the one who brought up the virgins and the oil so in essence your statement is an oxymoron!!!! love ya in the Lord, Gods blessings and peace
sharlyates40 1 month ago
@sharlyates40 By "when it comes", I meant tribulation and the final Day of the Lord, judgement day. 1Thes 5:12, Joel 2:31, Mark 13:24, Isa 13:9-10, Rev 6:12, Mat 24:29-30, 1Thes 4:16, all refer to the Day of the Lord at the last trumpet, when the sun and moon darken, the stars fall, the heavens are shaken. Nothing secret from anyone, righteous or not. Mat 13:40 speaks of gathering first the tares to be bound and burned at the end of the world. He brings not peace, but a sword. Blessings.
mattandpatti222 1 month ago
@mattandpatti222 fair enough, but I still disagree, see my side on the issue at EYEeb2ysy6U send me a link and I will watch your side ...Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together,”
sharlyates40 1 month ago
@sharlyates40 Okay, I watched. I can give a video, but I'd rather just use applicable scriptures, in context. Two things can happen, I'll meet you in the air at the pre-trib rapture, or you'll be surprised and unprepared for tribulation. We're both familiar with Mat 24 and Luke 17, "...As in the days of Noah...One taken, one left..." Check out Mat 24:28 and Luke 17:37, "Where Lord? Where the body(carcase) is, the eagles(vultures) will be gathered. Those "taken' are taken to destruction.
mattandpatti222 1 month ago
I won't run down random rabbit trails with people who refuse to consider the possibility that there are those who profess to know Christ but are trusting in a false hope. Even Jesus said that many in the last days will be turned away... "I never knew ye. Depart from me, ye who work iniquity." Good day to you.
RBNightlinger 1 month ago
@RBNightlinger you don't have to run down random rabbit trails, just tell us who will populate the millennium if the post-trib. rapture is correct? I can take the pre-trib. rapture and go straight into the Millennium with a smooth transition from dispensation to dispensation. You can't with the post-trib. rapture. That is very critical in Bible prophecy and until you can you will continue to explain it away with random unrelated scripture.
tmalone10 1 month ago
I don't presume to think I know who is saved and who isn't. You're adding to my words. Salvation is between Christ and each individual sinner. Again, the Bible speaks of those who suffer with false hopes. To deny it is to deny Scripture.
RBNightlinger 1 month ago
@RBNightlinger Have you read Matthew 25:1-13? 10 Virgins = 10 Christians ... Bridegroom = Jesus Christ. Now, can you tell me why the 5 Foolish Christians were left behind? They are missing the Wedding Banquet, even though they are "Saved". Why did Jesus close that door (Revelation 4:1) on them?
JesusHoldMyHand1 1 month ago
Finally a preacher who says if anyone falls away, they were never saved to begin with!
Once saved, always saved is biblical... the question is, are you really saved?
RBNightlinger 1 month ago
@RBNightlinger Many, many Christians "fall away". Do you know what "fall away" means? I also ask you if you know any Bible Believing, Saved Christians who are living with Live-in Lovers, steal just a little "something" from work? Do you know any who attend Mormon, Jehovah's Witnesses, any "church" that welcomes Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, to preach "words of enlightenment"? How about those who pray to dead people & Mary; bow before a supposed "man of god" the pope? Falling Away?
JesusHoldMyHand1 1 month ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 No, I don't know any 'Bible believing saved Christians' who live with a live-in lover or who are members of cults or pray to the dead because real Christians don't do those things. There are saved people and then there are those who THINK they're saved but aren't. The Bible is full of examples of those living under fall hopes. Unfortunately, most these days fall for the lies put forth by the Scofield bible and choose to believe everyone who professes to know Jesus is saved.
RBNightlinger 1 month ago
@RBNightlinger And just how do you know who's saved and who isn't? Jesus Christ IS TALKING to the Bible Believing, Saved Christians in Revelation 2 & 3. As a matter of fact, He tells those Believers in Revelation 2:4-5 they need to repent because they left Him, their first love. Revelation 2 & 3 tell us about the "types" of Believers that WILL go through the Great Tribulation. Only those in the Smyrna & Philadelphia Churches will NOT go through it. They ARE Faithful to Christ
JesusHoldMyHand1 1 month ago
Pre & Post Trib are wrong.Here's why.Jesus'Comings in Mat.24 & Rev.19 are NOT one & the same."Immediately after the Tribulation"in Mat 24:29 is in the midst of The Tribulation/Great Tribulation period according to Jesus in Lk17:24-36. In vs30,31 He says He will be "Revealed" IN THAT DAY when the Jews must flee in haste.That day according to Him in Mat 24 is at The Abom.of Des.in the midst of Daniel's Week.That's the Appointed Time & The End Dan 11:27-31. At that time it will occur Dan 12:1-3.
SRamdhani1 1 month ago
Have you studied the parable of the Wheat and the Tares (Matt. 13:24-30, 36-43)? In relation to a pre-trib rapture what are your thoughts on this parable?
mrlantern23 2 months ago
@mrlantern23 my thoughts are that the wheat and tares are at the end of the tribulation period and that the wheat will be those who enter into the Millennium and the tares those who will be burn in the fire for taking the mark.
tmalone10 2 months ago
The Bible is crystal clear on the timing of the rapture. A 12 year old can read it for you and tell you where it is in Matthew 24 and when it is in relationship to antichrist and the great tribulation.
Do a word study on the elect in the New Testament and look at every verse and you will see it always refers to believers and the church and never refers to the nation of Israel.
This false teaching prevails because it makes the false teachers and false prophets who teach it RICH!
classicjukebox 2 months ago
@classicjukebox Have you ever read Matthew 25:1-13? The 10 Virgins are 10 Christians.....the Bridegroom is Jesus Christ. When He closes the door on the 5 Foolish, they are NOT going WITH Christ to the Wedding Banquet. Revelation 19:7-10 The 5 Wise are the Bride of Christ.....then 5 Foolish stay down here during the Great Tribulation. While you're at it also read Matthew 24:40-44 The "Coming of the Son of Man" is talking about the Rapture. NOT the 2nd Coming. REPENT
JesusHoldMyHand1 2 months ago
Jesus said as it was in the days of Noah so shall the coming of man be, Right? so think of it this way, Noah didn't have to suffer in the flood, He was taken away from it by the ark, Jesus will come to take us away, We believers are his bride(The Church) :)
IrishmanNH 3 months ago
Matthew 24:29-31 goes into detail the final times of the tribulation and Matt 24:33 says that "when you see all these things, you can know His return is very near, right at the door"
So, (not looking for argument or anything) how would this fit in with a pre-trib rapture when Jesus Himself is saying that after the tribulation, THEN He will come?
GamingGuru651 3 months ago
@GamingGuru651 Christ is giving an overview of what the Great Tribulation is going to be like for those who are living at that time. If you continue read, He also says what it was like in the days of Noah (and Lot in Luke). What was it like? Marrying/giving in marriage, eating/drinking, buying/selling, planting/building....there was NO warning about their coming Judgment. Over & over the Son of Man says He's coming with NO warning. Matt 25:1-13. Plenty of Warnings BEFORE His 2nd Coming
JesusHoldMyHand1 3 months ago
Why do they talk about the last trumpet that we gather to the Lord. That confuses me. Is the last trumpet the 7th trumpet?
MegaScorpio30 3 months ago
@MegaScorpio30 no
tmalone10 3 months ago
look up on youtube endtimeministries and watch the video: A Post-Trib Rapture | Prophecy in the News
jason77763 3 months ago
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MegaScorpio30 3 months ago
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@MegaScorpio30 "Why do they talk about the last trumpet that we gather to the Lord. "Why do they talk about the last trumpet that we gather to the Lord.That confuses me. Is the last trumpet the 7th trumpet?"
YES--Because those who can understand the SUBJECT being talked about, can easily see it is written exactly that way, least, for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.
Satan #6th Seal, 6th Trump, 6th Vial. Our Saviour Jesus Christ returns to us on the 7th & Last Trump.
RememberPaulRevere 2 weeks ago
Rapture will not occur until after the abomination of desolation which happens 3.5 years into that peace agreement.
jason77763 3 months ago
@jason77763 I`m with you mate, I think the first half will make the A/C look like a good guy while he`s trying to fix the messes from wars.
rolliemachine 3 months ago
@jason77763 I disagree. The Anti-Christ has to be revealed after the rapture. The Holy Sprit is in the Church (True Christians.) It will never leave us so the Spirit takes us with it.
2 Thessalonians 2:7-8. Verse 7 talks about the Holy Spirit. It states that the Holy Spirit is preventing the evil from accuring. The evil will accure when the Holy Spirit and the Church is gone.
MegaScorpio30 3 months ago
Its a seven year peace agreement not a seven year tribulation.
jason77763 3 months ago
@jason77763 It's a 7 year GREAT TRIBULATION. Just as Jesus tells the FAITHFUL Believers in Revelation 3:10 they will NOT be here on Earth during that time. "When the Chief Shepherd APPEARS you will receive a Crown of Glory..." 1Peter 5:4. See the Crowns on the elders in Revelation 4:1-5? They got them at the Rapture - they're a REWARD. Revelation 22:12. 12 of the elders are the Apostles: Matthew 19:28. I also believe the other 12 are OT Prophets: Isaiah, Ezekel, Daniel, John the Baptist
JesusHoldMyHand1 3 months ago
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@JesusHoldMyHand1 look up on youtube endtimeministries and watch the video: A Post-Trib Rapture | Prophecy in the News
jason77763 3 months ago
@jason77763 The Peace Agreement & Great Tribulation START at the Same time. The Antichirst is Seal #1 - the middle of GT is Revelation 13, then 1,260 days (3.5 years) Jesus returns WITH His Bride - The Called, Chosen & Faithful Followers - Revelation 17:14 & 19:7-20. If you follow the sequence, The 144,000 are "sealed", the Remnant is taken to a "safe place", the 2 Witnesses have now preached for 3.5 years & are Raptured, the 144,000 are Raptured - and that's it. No More Rapture
JesusHoldMyHand1 3 months ago
Go Terry Go..... Right On Target, Good Job. See Ya At The Pre-Trib Rapture (:>
RANJO517 4 months ago
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ashqelonsunset 5 months ago
@ashqelonsunset Frequently Christ or the Apostles tell us that Jesus/Day of the Lord is coming as a "thief in the night" or as a "thief". It happens quickly, suddenly, quietly....Matthew 24:39; 42-44; 1Thessalonians 5:2; 2Peter 3:10; Revelation 3:10; 16:15 Over & over we are told He IS COMING SOON WITHOUT WARNING. Revelation 22:12. We are to be READY. What does Ready mean??? NOT to be living IN SIN. Those who are doing so will NOT be in the Rapture....they will repent during the GT.
JesusHoldMyHand1 5 months ago
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ashqelonsunset 5 months ago
@ashqelonsunset Why don't try reading God's Word. It's not what I say, but what He says. If you love Me, you'll follow My commandments. If you love Me, you'll obey what I say. Did Jesus EVER say: I know you love Me, so go on and have some fun, have a lot of sex with different people, steal all you want, murder each other, and be sexually immoral????? Please read Revelation 2 to 3. He tells those Believers what He Loves about them & what He is displeased with. He constantly says REPENT!!!!!
JesusHoldMyHand1 5 months ago
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ashqelonsunset 5 months ago
@ashqelonsunset I know when people post as you have done, I've hit a raw nerve. You're either involved in sin, or someone you know is & you're trying to justify it. 1Corinthians 6:9-11 states it very well. Your name calling, and direct conflict with the Holy Scriptures of God will NOT do you any good. Don't be blind & deaf to what's going on. Just because "living in sin" has become acceptable to the world doesn't erase the fact that Jesus said: DON'T DO IT!!!! Don't like that? Tell God.
JesusHoldMyHand1 5 months ago
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ashqelonsunset 5 months ago
@ashqelonsunset Say what you want, but I think I'm right. Much Love & Peace to you. Good Luck - we've ALL been there.
JesusHoldMyHand1 5 months ago
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ashqelonsunset 5 months ago
@mbld45thy7 totally agreed the pre trib rapture is a theory only 200 years old the post trib since the early 2nd century by people who could've known the apostles
NoJo1917 5 months ago
There are no verses in scripture that say the resurrection will be prior to the tribulation period, nor are there verses of scripture that say the resurrection will be prior to the beginning of sorrows.
RobertMOdell 5 months ago
@tmalone10 No it is a rapture. We meat Yeshua in the clouds and Her takes us to the same place the other Christ-followers are. The Rapture of 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 and 1 Thes 4:13-18 is clearly described after the "hour"
NoJo1917 5 months ago
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@tmalone also, all Christians agree Yeshua (Jesus) judges us after the tribulation, if He hasn't judged us yet there is no way we could be deemed righteous for heaven or wicked for hell
NoJo1917 5 months ago
ur first point disproved your whole stance! you said that we all Christians get raptured at the same time. True. So if why would the current church all be raptured then the rest have hell on earth for 7 years. The Bible also calls the Rapture and Resurrection and returni of Jesus the day of the Lord. We also all get resurrected bodies at once not the first wave of Christians get them then the ones at the end get them. Pre Trib is a totally unbiblical theory.
NoJo1917 5 months ago
@NoJo1917 Christ comes for those who "died" in Him, then those Christians who are FAITHFUL, LIVING FOR HIM will be changed & meet Him in the air. He explains this in Revelation 3:10. Please read Matthew 25:1-13. The door will be slammed shut on many Christians who are NOT Ready for Him. To be READY means not to be living in sin when the Rapture happens. Do you know any Christians that are living with a lover, having children out of wedlock, homosexuals, stealing, murdering. BEING FAITHFUL?
JesusHoldMyHand1 5 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 Revelation 3:10 says that God wil protect us in the hour. lol and Matthew 24 is totally in support of post trib! Matt 24 3-21 talk of the trip then verse 22 says for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. we are the elect and if we are suippin lemonade up in heaven we wouldnt need the days shortened then verses 29-35 talk of the return. The return is described after the trouble. also God saves His people by delivering them through not taking them out. think of Noah
NoJo1917 5 months ago
@NoJo1917 An hour is not 60 minutes. It's a period or length of time. "When the Chief Shepherd APPEARS, you will receive a Crown of Glory..." 1Peter 5:4 The 24 elders in Revelation 4:1-5 HAVE their Crowns. They get them at the Rapture, when we get ours. We will receive all our Rewards (Crowns & Earthly Kingdom Assignments), watch the Coronation of Jesus, go to the Wedding Ceremony & Supper of the Lamb, then come back WITH Him. In Rev 5:6 Jesus looks like a LAMB, no Crowns; Rev 17:14; 19:7-20
JesusHoldMyHand1 5 months ago
@JesusHoldMyHand1 I know the hour isn't LITERALLY an hour its the seve years, anywho, your pretrib belief is ALL inferring. and Daniel 11:11-12 talks about seven years but states 1335 days which is over 100 extra days. Thse are probs the days of the wedding supper.
NoJo1917 5 months ago
@NoJo1917 The Rapture happens between Revelation 3:22 & 4:1 We don't know how many weeks, months or years it will be until Jesus opens His Seals for His Judgemnts & Wrath. The 1st Seal is the introduction to the antichrist, followed by war, famine & death.
JesusHoldMyHand1 5 months ago
@NoJo1917 The Rapture happens between Revelation 3:22 & 4:1 We don't know how many weeks, months or years it will be until Jesus opens His Seals for His Judgemnts & Wrath. The 1st Seal is the introduction to the antichrist, followed by war, famine & death. The 1st Seal STARTS the Great Tribulation.
JesusHoldMyHand1 5 months ago
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@NoJo1917 An hour is not 60 minutes. It's a period or length of time. "When the Chief Shepherd APPEARS, you will receive a Crown of Glory..." 1Peter 5:4 The 24 elders in Revelation 4:1-5 HAVE their Crowns. They get them at the Rapture, when we get ours. We will receive all our Rewards (Crowns & Earthly Kingdom Assignments), watch the Coronation of Jesus, go to the Wedding Ceremony & Supper of the Lamb, then come back WITH Him. In Rev 5:6 Jesus looks like a LAMB, no Crowns; Rev 17:14; 19:7-20
JesusHoldMyHand1 5 months ago
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Mat 24 :29; 30; 31
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet
zatoisafake 5 months ago
at that point they will repent and turn to Christ. Remember, they will mourn? The remnant Jews will be here to repopulate the earth. Also, there may be some sheep (those writen in the Book of the Lamb from the foundation) that have not been found at the point of Jesus return. They have refused the mark, but they havent been saved yet. They will also be here to repopulate. Matthew 24 says that Jesus sends His angels to gather the elect (rapture) IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribualtionof thosedays
Kingram417 6 months ago
Your are missing a few key points. When the 7th and last trumpet sounds, all born again believers will be raptured and we will forever remain with the Lord. The Holy Spirit does NOT necessarily leave with them. Yes, the Spirit is present in all believers but He is not LIMITED to dwelling in the believers. He also is present in the world convicting, drawing, etc. So the Spirit will remain. At Christs appearance in the sky we will be raptured, but the remnant Jews will remain on earth....
Kingram417 6 months ago
@Kingram417 I cover in detail the Jewish remnant and the holy spirit during the tribulation period in my other videos. If you want to see them you can easily find them on my channel. Nothing has been left out.
tmalone10 6 months ago
@Kingram417 The 7th Trumpet is blown by an Angel & is of JUDGMENT (earthquake & massive hailstorm). Jesus' VOICE sounds LIKE a Trumpet..Revelation 1:10 & 4:1. At the Rapture He is hidden by the Clouds (as in Acts 1:9) & the ONLY people that see Him are those in the Rapture. He comes as a "thief in the night", quickly, suddenly, quietly...there will be NO warning. Matthew 24:36-44 Also read Matthew 25:1-13 The 10 Virgins are 10 Christians...5 go WITH the Lord.....5 do NOT. LEFT BEHIND
JesusHoldMyHand1 6 months ago
Excellent explanation! I would also just like to add this: If the righteous are raptured after the tribulation, and the wicked destroyed, than when does the sheep and goats judgment take place? The separation already occurred with the rapture, so when does Christ place the sheep on the right and the goats on the left; which happens AFTER Christ returns not during. If the rapture happens before the tribulation than judgment fits in perfectly after Christ comes in glory.
310revelation 6 months ago
As you can see and read, when a post-tibber (JesusSaves20112011) is forced to place someone in the Millennium to repopulate it, they all have to quietly change the subject and you never hear from them again. I have tried all the rapture scenarios and the only one that places Christians in the Millennium is the pre-trib rapture. Until someone can prove otherwise I will continue to believe it is the correct interpretation. If u believe another rapture theory than prove it. I'm listening.
tmalone10 6 months ago
@tmalone10 1. who says the earth needs to be repopulated? show me an indication of that in the bible. Who said we are on earth for the millenium? again biblical evidence. Show me where the bible says there is a rapture separate from when every eye will see Jesus. Show me where the Bible says there is a 7 year triblulation. I have looked at these teachings, they aren't Biblcal.
BibleCreationist 6 months ago
@BibleCreationist as I said on my video, if you don't believe in the Biblically recognized timeline of a seven year tribulation period followed by a 1,000 year earthly reign of Christ with Saints please don't bother emailing me. We are not on the same page. You may want to check the comments of your fellow 7th trump/post-trib believers. Ask them the same above questions. I'm very confident they don't question the need/validity of people on earth during Millennium.
tmalone10 6 months ago
@tmalone10 Sorry, I missed that point and woun't have commented otherwise, though I did watch the video.
BibleCreationist 6 months ago
@tmalone10 I'm a pri-trib believer but it was one thing I could never understand. I been trying to find out how people know its a 7 year tribulation period. Maybe its something I don't understand yet
MegaScorpio30 4 months ago
@MegaScorpio30 Revelation states that the tribulation period is made up of 2 halves of 1260 days each. One year equals 360 days. In Daniel 9 it is also stated that the Antichrist will rule for one week and cut off the temple sacrifices at the halfway point. One week is interrrupted in this passage as to be one week of years or seven years. This is where you get a seven year timeframe.
tmalone10 4 months ago
@JesusSaves20112011 again, that's your opinion and I disagree. Back 2 the only way we can positively prove which rapture theory is correct. With a pre-tib. rapture I can place child bearing Christians n the Millennium (A must). Do the same with a 7th trump or post trib. rapture. If you can't put Christian humans entering into the Millennium thru your rapture belief then your belief is a lie. Prove to me that what you believe is not a lie. In writing give me your timeline to the millennium.
tmalone10 6 months ago
@tmalone10
Jesus will return only after the tribulation
JesusSaves20112011 6 months ago
@JesusSaves20112011 I was courteous enough to answer your question about rapture scriptures. When I supplied them, as I predicted, you did not accept them. When I asked for you to answer my question, you have dodged and avoided (as predicted) to answer it. Answering this question is not a salvation issue. If you can't answer it just say you don't know the answer. It's commonsense to me that if you can't place Christians into the Millennium than your rapture theory is not correct.
tmalone10 6 months ago
@tmalone10
You're a false teacher!!!
JesusSaves20112011 6 months ago
@JesusSaves20112011 I can't possibly be a false teacher. I compel people to Jesus Christ. I believe in salvation through Christ alone. There is no other way to heaven. What you mean is we disagree on when the rapture will take place. You believe it will happen at a different time than when I believe it will take place. If you can place christian child bearing human on earth to enter the Millennium then I will consider your theory.
tmalone10 6 months ago
@JesusSaves20112011 If not, I have to stick with what I believe which is the pre-trib rapture. It does place the necessary child bearing Christians on earth to enter the Millennium. You simply can't do it with any other rapture theory. If you can than prove it. Stop wasting time calling good Bible believing soulwinning teachers false teachers just because they disagree with you and you can't even prove their theory wrong. Please do the math and get back to me with a commonsense answer.
tmalone10 6 months ago
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Give me scriptures to where it talks about pre-tribulation rapture. Jesus will return only after the tribulation, not before.
JesusSaves20112011 6 months ago