The Bible: A Reliable Historical Document?

[Naiant]

This drives me friggin nuts. The Dead Sea Scrolls are *not* as accurate as this clip maintains. For instance, there is an extra psalm, one which is found in the Septuagint but not in the Massoretic texts. Also, the picky system mentioned of making sure every letter is correct is a later development, not existing at the time of the New Testament, even. Maybe that's why we have more than one ending of Mark, something that this clip maintains couldn't have happened.

[yourjunk420]

Wrong!!!

[99minerkc]

Do your research before making a video! For example: There's not a stitch of evidence that Matt, Mark, John experienced the life of jesus BUT LUKE DID NOT! Luke got all of his information second hand yet you don't state that here. You make it sound as though Luke walked with Jesus with is FALSE! In addition, each gospel is somewhat different re jesus death/resurrection! So, who's recollection of christ's death is right, they all cannot be! sory but the bible contradicts itself!

[infernvsnecrohag]

LOL, this video is SO innacurate. We CAN see errors in copying, i.e. the story of the prostitute in Mark. So not only is this video stretching the truth, in some places its outright lying...

[99minerkc]

You correct, and yet christians will think it is correct! Just goes to show how many followers are just that, followers! They don't read their bible and truly seek the truth, but rather simply believe most everything they hear that's sounds like it might be true! Geez christians snap out of your delusion and do some research!

[infernvsnecrohag]

@99minerkc It's like creationism. They don't care about facts, they care about things that bolster their Faith. They have been told from when they were kids that the Bible is innerrant for NO REASON either than "it's just innerrant". This is where the problem arises, because every time you point out a problem, they will twist it around to make it conform to their "the Bible is innerrant" framework. Clearly not understanding that it's an unfounded starting point.

[99minerkc]

@infernvsnecrohag Well said and so correct! They "claim" that they are truth seekers and that 'they found the truth! However, when as you say it's pointed out to them that in fact, their so called truth has issues, they become extremely close minded and as you also said they twist things around to fit what "they want to hear." It's actually quite sad in my opinion! Anyway, enough about this topic.

Take care!

may god be less!

[spottyeel]

this reminds me to the hitch-hickers guide to the galexy... oh yes i was about to say your page says it offers peace an joy, god has killed more people than saturn!

[hat655]

13shadowwolf, if Moses never existed then how did the Jewish people leave Eygpt because they were defiently there. The Exodus is the only explaination of this, so according to u Israel should not exist. But it does.

[spottyeel]

@hat655 How did the Jewish people leave Egypt? they walked or rode

[13shadowwolf]

The Jewish Historical Society has admitted that the story of moses, the flight from Egypt, Jews even being in Egypt at that time, etc. was all just fabrication. The entire story was made up.

The first claim in the video, "moses actually being there" is not possible because moses never existed.

[perchedeagle2]

The presume that the bible is intact and its original form based on what is said in the video is absurd. I love how the entire concept of deception and control of people are ignored. 1*

[EvolutieOnzin]

It's starting to look a bit like the Heidi & EvolutieOnzin channel here...

So back to topic: I think the Bible is historically more reliable than any other ancient writing. That fact alone doesn't make it correct, but very likely that this is what was originally written.

Finds like: 7q5, P64 proof the NT was written within a lifetime of the crucifixion of Jesus.

Also the Septuagint proves that prophesy about Jesus was writen before He was on earth.

[EvolutieOnzin]

@HurricaneHeidi - I can see that you don't LIKE Hell or "The wages of sin", but disliking somethings does not make them untrue. What I mean to say is that your basis of what is true or untrue should not be based on if you like of dislike something, but on good research.

you seem to base your "BS"-es and "crock of shit"s on feelings, not on facts.

You are welcome to do that, but that's not the way to find out what is true or untrue.

[HurricaneHeidi]

@EvolutieOnzin - What a DELICIOUS IRONY that YOU would accuse a rational agnostic of basing their opinions on feelings instead of facts. ROTFLMAO. THIS from a person who willingly believes in some imaginary "hell" conjured up by a group of Middle Eastern desert nomads and sheep/goat herders who were ignorant of the true nature of the solar system. FACTS? The authors of the bible had none.

I already told you about Edgar Cayce and his psychic predictions. Nostradamus too.

[EvolutieOnzin]

I never accused you of anything. I make an observation. A lot of your reactions on this topic seem to carry words like "BS"s and name calling. Therefor I suggest that feelings are not a good basis for deciding truth or untruth.

By the way: are you seriusly saying that Nostradamus made any detailed predictions? Name one please...

Also your "Sleeping Prophet" predicted the Great Pyramid was build 7000 years before it was actualy build.

ps. : Cayce considered himself a devout Christian.

[HurricaneHeidi]

@EvolutieOnzin - You cherry pick one inaccurate reading from Edgar Cayce and ignore all the other readings which were startlingly accurate? Heck.... (not "hell", LOL), I'm surprised that Cayce's Christianity doesn't legitimize him in your mind.

[EvolutieOnzin]

Cayce only "considered himself a devout Christian". That doesn't make him a Christian, and even if he was, it doesn't make him right.

I never read Edgar Cayce, and just quoted Wikipedia on purpose. It shows that taking predictions out of context can make them SEEM debunked just like "skepticsannotatedbible" does.

Still I haven't seen any detailed predictions of Cayce or Nostradamus. If you have an example, it would be great.

[EvolutieOnzin]

@HurricaneHeidi - I'd like to go back to something you said:"...the bible was written by ordinary human beings... some of whom may have had psychic abilities."

Are you saying: It's not true, and if it's true it's by the psychic powers of the mind?

Can you show me any example of a human predicting something 2500 years before, which happens the exact 2500 years later like he predicted?

Because "watch?v=I5zFclLOstE" shows the Bible does this.

[DarkMatter2525]

Was the bible copied accurately?

Who cares?

Nothing capable of creating a universe could be as incompetent as Yahweh. If there is a God, then the bible itself is blasphemy.

[meypole]

Thanks for sharing. Very interesting. I lived in Israel and saw the scrolls, but I could not read them then.

[thadeuluz]

this is the largest pile of bullshit in the whole youtube database.

[EvolutieOnzin]

I could argue that going against the rules of a loving God, is also grisly and horrific (in the eyes of a perfect being). And remember that IF God exists, the act is not senseless.

I think you can't believe in this God, because you don't quite know who this God is.

b.t.w. : Jesus aka God did not have to suffer and die, he chose to. Why death? Because sin against an infinite God is infinitely wrong. God is loving but also just, and therefor sin can't just be erased.

[HurricaneHeidi]

@EvolutieOnzin - WHAT "loving God" would ask believers to kill innocent beings as atonement for their sins? That's horrible. What a sick doctrine. I don't believe it.

When I went to 12-step meetings (Adult Children of Alcoholics) one of our 12 steps was to make atonement and amends to anyone we had hurt, harmed, or wronged. I take responsibility for my own transgressions. I would NEVER kill or torture or victimize anyone else... human OR animal, to atone for my "sins".

[HurricaneHeidi]

@EvolutieOnzin - WHAT "loving god"?

You mean the "god" that supposedly called for the destruction of every living thing - man, woman, child, or animal existing in the cities of the Hebrews' perceived "enemies", no matter how innocent?

The "loving god" that calls for the stoning to death of homosexuals?

The "loving god" that supposedly substitutes the death and suffering of the INNOCENT in order to "forgive" the guilty, and proclaims a newborn baby is already a sinner? THAT "loving god"?

8-{

[HurricaneHeidi]

@HurricaneHeidi - but nevermind....

NO such "god" exists, "loving" or otherwise... except in the deluded imaginations of desperate, emotionally immature people who need to believe that some ubiquitous "divine", invisible, imaginary playmate is somehow taking care of them no matter what they do... just as long as they profess their irrational belief in the horrifying mythology of the blood sacrifice of innocent beings on their behalf. What a disgusting doctrine.

[EvolutieOnzin]

@HurricaneHeidi - 3 questions:

You seem to have a lot of hate towards the god you no longer believe in. Why is that?

What is your problem with blood sacrifice? The animals in the Biblical times had lots of room to live in, and the meat wasn't wasted, large parts of it was eaten. How is that different from the meat you eat?

And why is everyone who believes in God "desperate, emotionally immature"? I Believe, and you know nothing about me...

[HurricaneHeidi]

@EvolutieOnzin -

I do not hate fictional characters.

I do dislike (not hate) organized religion.

The three Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity; Islam) are responsible for more death, conflict, warfare and misery than any other motivation in recorded history.

They sacrificed Mourning Doves (among other innocent & helpless things). Do you think they ate those, too?

You really cannot comprehend why someone would be disgusted and repulsed by the practice of blood sacrifice? Gawd....

[EvolutieOnzin]

There is a difference to the will of a god and what people do in the name of that god.

The crusades or Inquisition had nothing to do with religion, but with power. But misuse of a religion is not the fault of that religion.

Yes I do think they ate doves, or at least use their feathers. Why not? A small animal has meat too.

[HurricaneHeidi]

@EvolutieOnzin - The will of WHAT "god"? The "god" that ancient Aztecs believed wanted them to drag young men to the top of their huge altar, hold them down, and cut out their hearts? Or perhaps you mean the will of that "god" who supposedly wants practitioners of Santoria to bite the head off a live chicken. It's all "sacrifice"... right?

What makes you think that YOUR "god" is real and theirs is not?

It's all derivative... & equally ignorant.

[EvolutieOnzin]

@HurricaneHeidi - Now we are getting to the interesting questions.

I not only believe my God is the only god, I KNOW He is. I think the words "believe" or "faith" send the wrong messages, like "I think it could be".

Why do I know? Well, the evidence is so great, I can not deny it if I wanted to.

One of those things is the amassing accuracy of prophecy in the Bible. A lot which is historical verify able.

[HurricaneHeidi]

@EvolutieOnzin - There is no need for me to waste my time debunking your delusional "knowing" that your "god" is real... nor is there any need for me to debunk those so-called biblical prophecies, either. Others have already done so many times over.

Type three words into the google search field:

SKEPTICS ANNOTATED BIBLE

...and peruse that site for all the biblical contradictions, violence, and nonsense... IF you have the intellectual courage.

[EvolutieOnzin]

@HurricaneHeidi - Hey, if a Bible prophecy tells me something is going to happen, and it happens on the exact date and all the details fit, and I can verify the prophecy was written before the event. Also the event was unlikely to happen. I'd call that a miracle!

I've never seen any other person or holy scripture do this except the Bible.

But do you want to be right or do you want to know the truth?

Please check: watch?v=I5zFclLOstE

[HurricaneHeidi]

@EvolutieOnzin - I already know the truth. All prophecies debunked:

skepticsannotatedbible. com/ proph/ long. html

[HurricaneHeidi]

@HurricaneHeidi

"But you ask me what the scariest things are in Christianity: this infatuation with biblical prophecy and this notion that Jesus is going to come back as an avenging savior to kill all the bad people." - Sam Harris, Beliefnet inverview

[HurricaneHeidi]

@HurricaneHeidi - Yes... and each different religion has it's own special definition of "Bad People", doesn't it?

ALL of you religious zealots (no matter which religion you believe in) are a bunch of sanctimonious bigots disguised in a cloak of self-righteousness.

[EvolutieOnzin]

I don't quite get you. Do you really judge people on a few sentences? Because that's all you know of me. I only wrote a few personal opinions, but I didn't even get the time yet to motivate any of them.

Why call me a "sanctimonious bigot" when you know so little about me. Or am I a bigot, because my opinion is different from yours?

I'm not sad or mad, but I just don't understand the name calling...

I'm just in it for a friendly discussion. Really!

[HurricaneHeidi]

@EvolutieOnzin - You have further proven my point that you and other religious zealots are a sanctimonious bigots by insisting that anyone who disbelieves in your Wholly Babble is headed for your Hebrew fairy tale authors' imaginary "hell". It's exactly that sort of BIGOTED attitude that excuses holy wars and rationalizes the ideological persecution of so-called "infidels" and non-believers... believing that you and others who share your beliefs are right/saved and everyone else is wrong/damned

[EvolutieOnzin]

There is, and never will be proof that hell doesn't exist. And believe in something that hasn't been falsified isn't bigotry. I'm not trying to push my believes on to you, I'm trying to have a friendly discussion.

Again: People may have (mis)USED religion for "holy wars", but that's still what People do.

You may not LIKE hell, but that's no proof on it's non existence.

However I still think there is enough proof for God.

[HurricaneHeidi]

@EvolutieOnzin - One cannot prove a negative. There is no, and never will be any proof that Zeus and/or Valhalla do not exist, either, LOL.

How about proving that a dead Islamic suicide bomber is NOT going to some "heaven" promised in the Koran, and balling 72 virgins?

BTW, belief in something which has not been proven = emotion, not reason.

As for Nostradamus... his followers take his predictions on "faith" just as Christians take biblical prophecy. Some think he predicted WWII & JFK.

[HurricaneHeidi]

@HurricaneHeidi - and using one's religious beliefs to justify attacking, killing, and conquering those who do not share those beliefs is the ultimate in self-righteous bigotry. The "Holy Crusades" were carried out by self-proclaimed devout Christians... and so were the IRA bombings in Belfast, Northern Ireland, and the witch burnings in Europe and in Salem, Mass. They were no more justified than the Islamic Jihad... except in the deluded minds of the "faithful".

[EvolutieOnzin]

@HurricaneHeidi - I completely agree on your Holy Crusades, IRA and Jihad reaction. And as you say they where "self-proclaimed devout Christians".

That's what people do! Religion is often misused for power.

Sex can also be used in a wrong way. That doesn't make sex wrong. It is power that corrupts man, not religion. It's what some people change religion into, that does the damage.

[Oallos1]

Well put.

[EvolutieOnzin]

@HurricaneHeidi - I've seen this site before. It shows a total (maybe deliberate) misunderstanding of the text. The debunk prophecies without knowing what it says. And skip a lot of other important prophecies.

It's easy to deny or debunk something you don't understand. Again: just saying something is debunked, doesn't make that true.

And b.t.w. the prophecy I mentioned, isn't even named, and main verses about it conveniently skipped.

Check it out yourself.

[HurricaneHeidi]

@EvolutieOnzin - Many people DO demonstrate psychic abilities - premonition; remote viewing, and telepathy. I have had significant psychic experiences myself, including warnings and premonitions. This is a natural ability (See Rupert Sheldrake, "Dogs Who Know When Their Masters Are Coming Home, and Other Unexplained Powers of Animals"). It's a sixth sense that we share with many other animals, and it evolved as a survival advantage. No "god(s)" involved.

(See: Edgar Cayce )

[HurricaneHeidi]

@HurricaneHeidi - continued -

People find as much credence in the predictions of Nostradamus as they do in the bible. And the bible was written by ordinary human beings... some of whom may have had psychic abilities.

Edgar Cayce is the most analyzed, documented and confirmed genuine psychic ever studied, and his premonitions, healing abilities and intuition are WELL authenticated.

This ability is more pronounced in some people and animals than others... but it's natural, not divine.

[HurricaneHeidi]

@EvolutieOnzin - The Crusaders and Inquisitors ALL justified their actions with selected biblical passages. So did the Witch Burners. These atrocities were committed by people who considered themselves Christians doing "god's will" - just like the Hebrews thought that blood sacrifice was "god's" will - and justified all of it justified by particular scriptures.

Hell is a superstitious construct of the human imagination, that was written about in ancient scrolls by unscientific people.

[EvolutieOnzin]

@HurricaneHeidi - You give the answer yourself. They "selected biblical passages", they "considered themselves Chr. doing god's will". Again what people do with a religion does not say that religion is bad.

[HurricaneHeidi]

@EvolutieOnzin - apparently you do not consider it "bad religion" to write scriptures which teach believers that all non-believers are "damned" and headed for some "hell" of man's own imagining... and that so-called "infidels" should be completely annihilated as part of doing your religious duty to your blood-thirsty, "jealous", "angry" "god". There have been a lot of other "Christians" throughout the last 2000 years who took those scriptures much too seriously.

"God is Not Great", by Hitchens

[HurricaneHeidi]

@HurricaneHeidi - the Christopher Hitchens youtube channel:

user/hitchenschannel?blend=1&o­b=4#p/c/588891F1B3567ADC

[EvolutieOnzin]

@HurricaneHeidi - Than why did you ever believe it? You did say you where once a Christian. Why?

[HurricaneHeidi]

@EvolutieOnzin - I was once a Christian because I married a Christian man and I wanted the emotional security of fellowship and belonging. It took several years for my rational mind to take over and enable me to extricate myself.

My husband and I have attended a Unitarian Universalist Fellowship for several years, and we also attend a Science of Mind Fellowship... both of which are wonderful, loving and intelligent.

[EvolutieOnzin]

Sure I can imagine why you are disgusted and repulsed by blood sacrifice. But you can get the same feeling in a slaughter house. (animal friendly or not)

And since those people used the animals for food too, that is not your problem with it, I think.

I think your problem with this is, that sins have to be paid for by someone. But that debt is larger than any persons life. We NEED Jesus for that!

Hell is real, not created by God, but by mans sin.

[HurricaneHeidi]

@EvolutieOnzin - "The waqes of sin is death" - BS! What a ridiculous doctrine! The bible teaches that a newborn child comes into this life already tainted with "original sin" and will go to "hell" if it isn't baptized before it dies. What a crock of shit. A child (or some other innocent being) should DIE for something that someone else did ("original sin") or for something a child itself might actually do, like lying to their mother, or hitting their sister, or stealing something? BS!

[HurricaneHeidi]

@HurricaneHeidi

"Get in line in that processional, step into that small confessional, there the guy who's got religion'll tell you if your sin's original."

watch?v=3f72CTDe4-0

[HurricaneHeidi]

I agree that certain historical events have been accurately related in the bible. That does not, however, lend legitimacy to such utter nonsense as talking snakes, the sun pausing in the sky, a talking donkey, or people turning into pillars of salt.

It also fails to legitimize such atrocities as "god" giving "permission" to kill every man, woman, child and living thing in the villages of the Hebrews' "enemies"... or committing blood sacrifice rituals & burnt offerings.

[draconusrex33]

have you read the sections of the bible you are referring to?The people they were ordered to destroy had some of the worst social and religious practices the world has seen..child sacrifice etc.The sacrificing of animals was a foreshadow of the sacrifice of Christ..Study the social and historical information about the cultures involved before condemning the ancient Hebrews or orders given to them by God..

[HurricaneHeidi]

@draconusrex33 - ALL such practices are horrifying to me. Two wrongs do not make a right. Child sacrifice is what "god" supposedly tested Abraham by ordering him to do. In recent years, two different mothers claimed that they killed their children because "god" told them to do it. One of these mothers drowned all 5 of her kids in the bathtub, one by one. The other one let her SUV roll into a lake and sink with her two kids strapped in their seats and locked inside. SICK religions!

[EvolutieOnzin]

Abrahams son walked up the mountain (same mountain Jesus was crucified on) with wood on his back (same as Jesus), but God told Abraham NOT to sacrifice his sun, but gave him a substitution (sign for Jesus).

God never askes for Child sacrifice. People who do so, are sick.

[HurricaneHeidi]

@EvolutieOnzin - So you are willing to believe a book that tells you that "god" tricked Abraham into believing that "god" wanted him to sacrifice his son Isaac, and waited until Abraham carried wood up the mountain, laid his son on the pile of wood, raised his hand with a knife to stab his son in the heart before burning his body on the pyre, and some "angel of god" appeared to stop him just in time... then pointed out a goat to be substituted. Supposedly, Abraham then burned up that poor goat

[EvolutieOnzin]

btw: "Poor goat?". Do you have leather in your car, house or on your feet? Have you ever eaten meat? A Poor animal died for that.

Do you wear makeup? Poor animals suffered for that. Could you do without? I think so. Many people do.

Why are they only POOR animals when they are sacrificed?

[HurricaneHeidi]

@EvolutieOnzin - they are poor animals whenever they are victimized and their lives are taken and wasted because of some inhumane and senseless superstition perpetrated by a species that should know better - human beings.

I wear organic lipstick made from hemp. My husband and I eat only organic meat, raised naturally, and not in factory farms. Predation is part of nature... but it does not have to be senselessly cruel. It can be done as quickly and painlessly as possible; not just wasted.

[procrastinator5000]

Hemp lipstick? are you baked 24/7 then?

[HurricaneHeidi]

@procrastinator5000 - My organic lipstick is manufactured by Hemp Organics;

Made with Hemp Seed Oil and Organic Beeswax;

Made in the USA,

No F,D, and C Dyes;

Lead Free; Petroleum Free, Wheat Free, Gluten Free

And sold through vashonorganics (.) com

[HurricaneHeidi]

@EvolutieOnzin - Ask yourself how you would know the difference between someone whom "god" was just testing, and someone whom "god" actually told to sacrifice their child(ren).

Then ask yourself why you are willing to believe such things AT ALL.

Why are you willing to believe in a religious doctrine that calls for something as horrible as the blood sacrifice of anyone or anything?

[EvolutieOnzin]

God showed Abraham that his sins could only be paid with death, but he also shows that there was a way for someone else (Jesus) to pay those sins. The sacrifice of animals was a symbol for what Jesus was about to do.

Is it blood sacrifice horrible? Maybe it is, but the cause is OUR sins, not Gods amusement or something like that.

And YES I believe, and want to believe, that a blood sacrifice 2000y ago, set me free from sins (just by accepting it and repenting)

Because I've sinned.

[HurricaneHeidi]

@EvolutieOnzin - what a grisly and horrific superstition.... the very idea that an innocent man should be tortured and victimized because everyone else just wants a free ride. Awful. Unconscionable.

[EvolutieOnzin]

If any Christian sees this as a free right, I would suggest that he/she isn't a real Christian, and won't be saved with those intentions.

I would be very easy if my "sins" had no consequences because there is no one to judge me.

Accepting guild, and asking forgiveness to Someone who knows all the details, is the hard way, not the easy way.

Any way, even if I wanted to deny God, I couldn't, because I've seen to much proof that I can't deny.

I am grateful that Jesus died for me.

[HurricaneHeidi]

@EvolutieOnzin - Also, I do not believe that innocent babies are born with "original sin". It is a sick doctrine to teach children that they were born bad - with "original sin", and have to accept the torture and death of an innocent man to be forgiven.

The doctrine of blood sacrifice is perverse, grotesque, sick and irrational. It goes back to pagan religions and blood sacrifice rites where blood was passed around and drunk. SICK, unbelievable and irrational superstitions.

[HurricaneHeidi]

@draconusrex33 - ... and how can you justify killing innocent children and animals because of the actions of their elders or masters? Those scriptures are depraved. As depraved as the scriptures ordering homosexuals to be stoned. How can you accept something so horrible?

[333333344444]

yeah, it's illogical

[YounaTuber]

VERY well put-together and accurate facts! Thanks for sharing this.

[chews4life]

Jesus is Alive. :)

[99minerkc]

@chews4life Please show some proof of your rather large claim! To just say "jesus is alive" proves nothing! I can say, "jesus is a myth" just as easily!! :p

[333333344444]

god is dead

[snappa52]

Nietzsche is dead, God is alive

[333333344444]

PROOF?

[snappa52]

Nietzsche was buried beside his father at the church in Röcken bei Lützen. he died09/25/1900. he's dead.

[333333344444]

smartass

[snappa52]

lighten up 333333344444! it was a joke! i will give you absolute proof that God exists when you give me absolute proof that we are here by a happy chance

[vasiliosrigos]

He is dead to you , but He is alive and well to those who are His.Sorry for your loss. Peace

[333333344444]

you must be deluded and/or stupid

[vasiliosrigos]

You are dead in the spirit already and it is not by your choice. Only in the flesh you are alive, and this fleshly life is but a vapor, simply passing through ,awaiting for the day we shal all be judged. Peace

168

[333333344444]

The only person judging me is you. It's not my fault that you believe MYTHOLOGY as fact.

Do you think Santa Claus is real too?

[vasiliosrigos]

actually ,I have an I.Q. of 134,and as to the dluded part , I prefer being called ,unusual or perculiar, if it so pleases you. If not ,no worries

Peace 168

[333333344444]

You might want to look up the word "deluded." If you have an IQ of "134" why do you type like an ape?

[EncompassedRunner]

when I was became a Christian I was given a New Testament but didn't read it much because I just figured it was a nice book with some stories & decent moral principles, boy was I surprised years later to find out it is ALIVE! , inerrant, powerful, relevant, & that it self-authenticates itself by prophecy. It had never occurred to me God could build in a way to authenticate His book as supernatural, I just assumed we could never know what religious books were divine or not -- but we can!

[skintightpotato]

I love this comment....and so, so true!

[laffytiffy126]

great video. the Bible is great!!!!

[primecrimson]

Amazing video! very informative. God bless.