In my mind the Hart trophy is more appreciated than the Conn Smythe since the hart is all about what YOU do, and Conn smythe comes if you are on a good team
last i checked, hockey was a team sport not an individual sport.
the conn smyth is more appreciated since the one who wins it usually has the Cup in tow. being the best on a team that isn't successful isn't as good as being the best on a team that is the best.
Actually Ovechkin is THE BEST, not only the best in Capitals, so that makes it harder. If he would only be the best of capitals then your argument would be true.
You cant say the 2 harts and lester b pearson awards are worthless? Ovechkin ain't the best cos everybody thinks so including his peers, but Malkin is cos his team is the best?
i never said they're worthless. however, the focus of hockey is to win the cup, not individual awards. i'm not taking away from the fact that ovechkin has been incredibly successful individually, but it really doesn't resonate unless you win the cup.
to say ovechkin is the best is slightly misleading however. as a goal scorer, hands down. but as a complete player, no way.
True, but like you said in what he does he is the best. You cant really say that one player is the best. I know i said ovechkin is, but if we think about it like you do, maturely, then no one is THE BEST. But i think no-one else is as well rounded as Ovechkin. He only lacks defensive play and maybe a little bit passing play. But he ain't a playmaker so i think he is the closest thing to "the best player" in the NHL as anyone could be.
lol you can't call a player well-rounded unless he plays defense so ovechkin isn't well-rounded, sorry to burst your bubble. you want a player that plays on both ends? pavel datsyuk, mike richards, jordan staal, evgeni malkin and yes, sidney crosby.
last i checked, the great one and le magnifique were solid on both ends as well. ovechkin has his offensive prowess. sadly, that's about it. a center has a better chance at being well-rounded because they have to do more aka faceoffs.
Well i'm prolly wrong but i didn't know well-rounded ment just offence and defence. Anyhow i ment that Ovechkin can deke, shoot, skate fast, hit, pass. Doesn't sound like much but all he lacks is the defensive play. And that what defensemen are for. But anyhow that was what i ment by saying well-rounded.
a well-rounded player is useful on all areas of the ice. what you listed is why ovechkin is the best sniper and offensive player in the NHL. but that's not all hockey is about, that's why when you have players that will block shots and play defense, they're more useful.
This argument ain't going nowhere :D But my opinion is no1 is as useful as ovechkin. The bottom line is that goals win games and Ovechkin scores goals.
uhhh dude he speaks english just fine...I've seen him at practice and everyone could understand him just fine...sure Crosby can speak english for one but he's REALLY boring to interview and talk to unlike Ovechkin...
uh...most of them are Canadian genius (Green, Laich, Brashear), and Backstrom is Swedish not Russian. And seriously listen to Ovechkin talk you can understand him very well, ppl can...Actually that's one of Ovechkin's best features is that he purposely worked hard to learn the language and the league loves him for that b/c he dove into our culture. And he's much more easy going b/c ppl can understand his english fine...he just has a deep Russian accent...period.
Sure does suck for a guy who led the league in goals, points, powerplay goals, shots, etc set 3 records (2 League/1 Franchise), best player at the All-Star Skills Competition in shootout, had two games where he scored 4-goals (Ottawa/Montreal), and is nominated for MVP
yeah Ovechkin "must" be trash...or a tremendously good hockey player, take ure pick
Thanks for giving me a lame argument man
Ovechkin is amazing and anyone who says otherwise is either a moron or saw Jesus on skates at a pond.
if ure a Crosby fan i'm sorry if i offended u, i like Crosby but i def. will say Ovechkin's better, but we have our own opinion dude...oh Ovechkin just won the Person's award for MVP a few minutes ago...lol
wow could you please back that up?? like with some kind of response that could persuade the reigning Hart and Pearson..ohhh and Rocket...and did i mention the Ross trophy too??? hmmm first player in history to win them all in 1 season, and hes trash?? someone is a lil bent that his boy MALKIN DIDNT WIN!!!!!!! better luck next year
ok so Ovechkin is trash because YOU say that he cant pass? do you remember game 7 vs Philly, when he passed the puck to Federov?? He has gotten sooo much shit for that...BECAUSE HES A DAMN GOAL SCORER no one is asking him to do anything else...So he's trash because he doesnt pass?
wow, seriously dude, thats on a WHOOOLE new lvl, you are threatening to kill someone now. im done messin with you...go crawl back into the pathetic thing you call your mom.
Fucking Snipe.
TehLiberate 6 months ago
Ovechkin is the best hockey player ever!!!
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XxMcLOVINITxX25 11 months ago
ovechkin and crosby would be a sick duo u got one of the best play makers and best goal scorers if they were no cap limit i wud have signed them both
dojOdRiFTeR 1 year ago
MVP for 09-10 ....?
topherbear 1 year ago
he hit the shit out of that puck
basketballboy5678 2 years ago 16
and Still the MVP for season 2008-2009
EdwinCarranza27 3 years ago 3
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no way, scoring goals doesn't make you an MVP. geno scores, assists, backchecks, and plays on the PK and PP.
that's your real MVP
falcon007 2 years ago
How wrong you were hihii
WFR 2 years ago
lol like i care?
geno won the MVP trophy that mattered and has the Cup.
all OV has is personal awards and some Southeast division wins. cool, but that and 100 harts don't even touch being able to hoist the Cup.
enjoy the golf course. the Pens are still the Cup champions and that's all i wanted.
falcon007 2 years ago
In my mind the Hart trophy is more appreciated than the Conn Smythe since the hart is all about what YOU do, and Conn smythe comes if you are on a good team
WFR 2 years ago 2
last i checked, hockey was a team sport not an individual sport.
the conn smyth is more appreciated since the one who wins it usually has the Cup in tow. being the best on a team that isn't successful isn't as good as being the best on a team that is the best.
fact: all that matters is the stanley cup.
falcon007 2 years ago
Actually Ovechkin is THE BEST, not only the best in Capitals, so that makes it harder. If he would only be the best of capitals then your argument would be true.
You cant say the 2 harts and lester b pearson awards are worthless? Ovechkin ain't the best cos everybody thinks so including his peers, but Malkin is cos his team is the best?
WFR 2 years ago
i never said they're worthless. however, the focus of hockey is to win the cup, not individual awards. i'm not taking away from the fact that ovechkin has been incredibly successful individually, but it really doesn't resonate unless you win the cup.
to say ovechkin is the best is slightly misleading however. as a goal scorer, hands down. but as a complete player, no way.
falcon007 2 years ago
True, but like you said in what he does he is the best. You cant really say that one player is the best. I know i said ovechkin is, but if we think about it like you do, maturely, then no one is THE BEST. But i think no-one else is as well rounded as Ovechkin. He only lacks defensive play and maybe a little bit passing play. But he ain't a playmaker so i think he is the closest thing to "the best player" in the NHL as anyone could be.
WFR 2 years ago
lol you can't call a player well-rounded unless he plays defense so ovechkin isn't well-rounded, sorry to burst your bubble. you want a player that plays on both ends? pavel datsyuk, mike richards, jordan staal, evgeni malkin and yes, sidney crosby.
last i checked, the great one and le magnifique were solid on both ends as well. ovechkin has his offensive prowess. sadly, that's about it. a center has a better chance at being well-rounded because they have to do more aka faceoffs.
falcon007 2 years ago
Well i'm prolly wrong but i didn't know well-rounded ment just offence and defence. Anyhow i ment that Ovechkin can deke, shoot, skate fast, hit, pass. Doesn't sound like much but all he lacks is the defensive play. And that what defensemen are for. But anyhow that was what i ment by saying well-rounded.
WFR 2 years ago
a well-rounded player is useful on all areas of the ice. what you listed is why ovechkin is the best sniper and offensive player in the NHL. but that's not all hockey is about, that's why when you have players that will block shots and play defense, they're more useful.
falcon007 2 years ago
This argument ain't going nowhere :D But my opinion is no1 is as useful as ovechkin. The bottom line is that goals win games and Ovechkin scores goals.
WFR 2 years ago
KLINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
overdrive2000 3 years ago
lmao lacrosse bucket
SCOEN 3 years ago
Alexander the Gr8 owned in 07/08 maybe he'll own next year fuk dem haters
babyvegeta76 3 years ago
oh please ovechkins slapshot is trash that kids arms are like twigs
eric71 3 years ago
agreed atleast hes extremely talented trash, that won 4 awards in one year, ill take that trash over any other trash you can come up with
theu2689 3 years ago
One word; CLANG. :D
Ovie <3
xCrzyJewishOtakux 3 years ago
He is one of the most phenomenal hockey players to play in the National Hockey League...and a great guy to have on your team!
rockndude87 3 years ago
Too bad you cant have a conversation with the guy.
Unless you can speak Russian
eric71 3 years ago
uhhh dude he speaks english just fine...I've seen him at practice and everyone could understand him just fine...sure Crosby can speak english for one but he's REALLY boring to interview and talk to unlike Ovechkin...
rockndude87 3 years ago
His team mates can understand him cause their all Russians too.
Federov
Semin
Backstrom
The Rest
Crosby has to be dull in his interveiws cause he'll get ripped on by the media for anything he says. Atleast Crosby plays hockey better too.
eric71 3 years ago
uh...most of them are Canadian genius (Green, Laich, Brashear), and Backstrom is Swedish not Russian. And seriously listen to Ovechkin talk you can understand him very well, ppl can...Actually that's one of Ovechkin's best features is that he purposely worked hard to learn the language and the league loves him for that b/c he dove into our culture. And he's much more easy going b/c ppl can understand his english fine...he just has a deep Russian accent...period.
Oh and Ovechkin set 3 records too
rockndude87 3 years ago
Ovechkins trash
eric71 3 years ago
Sure does suck for a guy who led the league in goals, points, powerplay goals, shots, etc set 3 records (2 League/1 Franchise), best player at the All-Star Skills Competition in shootout, had two games where he scored 4-goals (Ottawa/Montreal), and is nominated for MVP
yeah Ovechkin "must" be trash...or a tremendously good hockey player, take ure pick
Thanks for giving me a lame argument man
Ovechkin is amazing and anyone who says otherwise is either a moron or saw Jesus on skates at a pond.
rockndude87 3 years ago
ok Ovechkins not trash I was screwing around but Crosbys beter
eric71 3 years ago
if ure a Crosby fan i'm sorry if i offended u, i like Crosby but i def. will say Ovechkin's better, but we have our own opinion dude...oh Ovechkin just won the Person's award for MVP a few minutes ago...lol
rockndude87 3 years ago
wow could you please back that up?? like with some kind of response that could persuade the reigning Hart and Pearson..ohhh and Rocket...and did i mention the Ross trophy too??? hmmm first player in history to win them all in 1 season, and hes trash?? someone is a lil bent that his boy MALKIN DIDNT WIN!!!!!!! better luck next year
theu2689 3 years ago
lol Trust me im not a fan of Malkin. Im just saying Ovechkin doesnt know how to pass a puck
eric71 3 years ago
ok so Ovechkin is trash because YOU say that he cant pass? do you remember game 7 vs Philly, when he passed the puck to Federov?? He has gotten sooo much shit for that...BECAUSE HES A DAMN GOAL SCORER no one is asking him to do anything else...So he's trash because he doesnt pass?
theu2689 3 years ago
Ovechkins Trash
eric71 3 years ago
hahahaha no my friend...YOU are trash
theu2689 3 years ago
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Im gonna go down to WSH and snipe him in the forehead with my sniper rifle
eric71 3 years ago
wow, seriously dude, thats on a WHOOOLE new lvl, you are threatening to kill someone now. im done messin with you...go crawl back into the pathetic thing you call your mom.
theu2689 3 years ago
actually i have and he speaks very good english, for someone who couldnt speak any a year ago
theu2689 3 years ago
way to go ovechkin..neva knew he was that good...
msharris39 3 years ago
way to go ovechkin..neva knew he was that good...
msharris39 3 years ago
MVP <3
erich03 3 years ago 3
mvp
milo00800 3 years ago 9