They're lucky to still be in the Heiniken Cup. I will say that I'm surprised Nick Evans has got away from this with absolutly nothing, cause i think he's almost as responsible as Tom Williams was, and Williams has got 4 months.
Then again, further action against other individuals at quins is still in discussion, so, who knows?
But their punishment is clearly a great warning to the world of rugby that cheating won't be tollorated, and i don't think tactical cheating like this will happen again
nick evans didnt necessarily know what was going on. and even if you did, if your coach tells you your being sent on in the club's biggest game of the year, you can't really refuse. tom williams is guilty yes, especially since the revelation that he offered to lie about it if quins paid off his mortgage, but nev? dont think so myself
that's a point, yes, but I seriously find it difficult to believe that it was only 1 player who knew about what Dean Richards' tactical plan was at the time. that's what I was getting at, that the rest of the playing squad might have got off a bit lightly with the club just getting a fine . But the punishment's been handed out, and, I don't think anything like this will happen again.
I've been following this story on the BBC website but this is the 1st time I've seen the footage. Disgraceful stuff by Quins, bunch of cheats......they should be booed every 80mins they play from now on. And what was Tom Williams thinking to wink like that.....must be a big Monty Python fan...nudge nudge wink wink. Well he and Cheato, sorry Deano can have a few nights in watching Monty Python re-runs whilst they serve their bans.
fake blood,pathehic!these clowns are an embrassment to english rugby.Unfortunately cheating and dirty tricks are an endemic problem in english rugby,remember when we believed in good sportsmanship and fair play,i don't!
harlequins should definitely have been kicked out of the heineken cup this year. the whole team is guilty, they all must have known about it. this is worse than doping. total cheats
Absolute disgrace, the most underhand sickening occurence ive seen on a rugby pitch in 24 years. Listening to Dean richards go on about how leinster and bernard jackman "cleverly cheated" made me sick. Harlequins need to be banned from the tournament for a minimum of five years.
This needs to be stopped now. He should have gotten a 2year ban and Quins thrown out of next years Heineken Cup. It was deceit, dishonesty and cheating of the highest oreder in a psort that looks down on soccer for its diving, etc. They need to be made an example of NOW. What they did was criminal and deserved a harsher penalty. Fake blood capsules for fucks sake. Whats next? Stamp this out now and set an example for those tempted to bring this incredible game into disrepute.
Exceptional news, triumphant. Only disppointment is the player wasn't banned for longer - 2 years may have been more appropriate. Funny, always remember having Richards 'honesty' shoved down people's throats by overblown English fans, who's team regularly achieved so little. This person is a cheat and should have been sanctioned too. In the end it doesn't matter because Leinster thoroughly deserved their win on that day and in the final, so justice was done. Cheats must be stopped and smashed.
i think that the ban is ar too long for williams and that i they were warming evans up before the blood injury its not just wiliams but the whole team that should be punished
Disgusting, this once great game is going to the dogs, what with Coke snorting players, now fake blood capsules. This is slipping to the levels of that poncey round-ball game. Totally agree with the ban, but the club should`ve been hammered too. Drop them a league or bin them from cup competitions. That`ll get the message through.
Btw. Tom William is a cheeky chappie of the team. He winks at everyone. He's on the wing and closest to the fans. It was probably a response to somoone asking if he was alright.
I call bullshit on the ERC's part. yes, I'm a Quins fan, but the ERC's decision just doesn't add up. Tom decided to go it alone did he? Though a fake blood injury would save the team? No. If he's being punished so heavily because he hasn't confessed to others being involved, then it is all based on circumstantial evidence.
ie. No evidence.
Btw. It's nice to see Irish posters here. Leinster won, got sore that Quins nearly beat them, and is now happy with a biased panel decision.
Williams got a harsh suspension i'll admit that but lets look at facts, He faked a blood injury so a kicker could come back on the field and take a drop at goal attempt to win the match Quins are lucky he missed because if he didn't you guys would surely be banned from the tornament. I don't believe he acted alone obviously someone had to tell him what to do but unfortunatly the only evidence is the fabricated injury by him...
Quins really disgraced themselves. It's difficult to have respect for the coaching staff and Williams for cheating like that. I'm glad he got a long ban and the club got a heavy fine, but I think Richards should get an equal length sideline ban and Quins should be thrown out of the Heineken Cup this season.
i think ERC and IRB should give this video to every clubs of rugby in order to recall what fair play is about.
PS: Looking back to the last H-cup where the french clubs were clearly disadantaged. It makes smile, i thought that french were violent, cheaters and sour grapes...well we are definetly not alone...
Wish to see good game and a french club win the 2010 edition
is the claim that williams was using a blood capsule?
if the 4th officials allowed evans back on instead of gomarsall then that isnt quins problem, but if it can be shown that the blood was fake then that makes it a big problem.
incidentally, who was williams winking at? cos it looked like the leinster bench from the direction he was facing...
and if it was dodgy you have to be properly stupid to wink at the time.
Now that's just racist isn't it; doesn't achieve anything except creating tensions between nations.
Also Tommy willams is english but of Welsh heritage and Nick Evans is a New Zealender.
I don't deny that it was cheating - I'm not one to judge (and if it was they'll get their comeuppance later this week at the hearing) - but why be such a dick?
No i'm not a retard how dare you make allusions over my mental state you intolerant, bigoted twat.
You don't know who the call came from to perform the substitution, and even if it was a English person you can't make assumptions about the entire english race on the grounds of one incident.
Il est nul en simulation celui là!
Miyaspirit 2 years ago
is there an english version?
chublets 2 years ago
This honestly has to be the most trivial way of cheating in global sporting history. - Faking an injury for a substitution geezzz,
dunksta90 2 years ago
where can i watchv that in english
Romangrandma98 2 years ago
They're lucky to still be in the Heiniken Cup. I will say that I'm surprised Nick Evans has got away from this with absolutly nothing, cause i think he's almost as responsible as Tom Williams was, and Williams has got 4 months.
Then again, further action against other individuals at quins is still in discussion, so, who knows?
But their punishment is clearly a great warning to the world of rugby that cheating won't be tollorated, and i don't think tactical cheating like this will happen again
rocmysc 2 years ago
nick evans didnt necessarily know what was going on. and even if you did, if your coach tells you your being sent on in the club's biggest game of the year, you can't really refuse. tom williams is guilty yes, especially since the revelation that he offered to lie about it if quins paid off his mortgage, but nev? dont think so myself
somerandomer 2 years ago
that's a point, yes, but I seriously find it difficult to believe that it was only 1 player who knew about what Dean Richards' tactical plan was at the time. that's what I was getting at, that the rest of the playing squad might have got off a bit lightly with the club just getting a fine . But the punishment's been handed out, and, I don't think anything like this will happen again.
ASobsessive 2 years ago
I've been following this story on the BBC website but this is the 1st time I've seen the footage. Disgraceful stuff by Quins, bunch of cheats......they should be booed every 80mins they play from now on. And what was Tom Williams thinking to wink like that.....must be a big Monty Python fan...nudge nudge wink wink. Well he and Cheato, sorry Deano can have a few nights in watching Monty Python re-runs whilst they serve their bans.
drewid78 2 years ago
'ban the tem for life.digusting.' - lol
bennioboyio 2 years ago
Ban the team for life. Disgusting.
gazwel83 2 years ago
ban the coach not the team. he was a cheat. the team only took his orders.
Raichu234 2 years ago
if evans got that kick and leinster lost i say quins would never be in the heineken cup agian.
dolly0094 2 years ago
fake blood,pathehic!these clowns are an embrassment to english rugby.Unfortunately cheating and dirty tricks are an endemic problem in english rugby,remember when we believed in good sportsmanship and fair play,i don't!
londondog1989 2 years ago
harlequins should definitely have been kicked out of the heineken cup this year. the whole team is guilty, they all must have known about it. this is worse than doping. total cheats
arffarff 2 years ago 2
Absolute disgrace, the most underhand sickening occurence ive seen on a rugby pitch in 24 years. Listening to Dean richards go on about how leinster and bernard jackman "cleverly cheated" made me sick. Harlequins need to be banned from the tournament for a minimum of five years.
conish64 2 years ago 2
fake blood capsule possibly taken at 00:46 by williams.. Quins need to be booted out of the H cup permanently.
clmjj 2 years ago
was it blood capsules he used?
chublets 2 years ago
the english clubs are making a bit of a name for themselves for cheating in the HC. with this and neil back for leicester in 99
dansweeeeeney 2 years ago 4
This needs to be stopped now. He should have gotten a 2year ban and Quins thrown out of next years Heineken Cup. It was deceit, dishonesty and cheating of the highest oreder in a psort that looks down on soccer for its diving, etc. They need to be made an example of NOW. What they did was criminal and deserved a harsher penalty. Fake blood capsules for fucks sake. Whats next? Stamp this out now and set an example for those tempted to bring this incredible game into disrepute.
jackil7 2 years ago 10
Delighted for the cheating English Bastard!
neilmerrigan 2 years ago 2
Exceptional news, triumphant. Only disppointment is the player wasn't banned for longer - 2 years may have been more appropriate. Funny, always remember having Richards 'honesty' shoved down people's throats by overblown English fans, who's team regularly achieved so little. This person is a cheat and should have been sanctioned too. In the end it doesn't matter because Leinster thoroughly deserved their win on that day and in the final, so justice was done. Cheats must be stopped and smashed.
behan89 2 years ago
i think that the ban is ar too long for williams and that i they were warming evans up before the blood injury its not just wiliams but the whole team that should be punished
ellie9398 2 years ago 2
Disgusting, this once great game is going to the dogs, what with Coke snorting players, now fake blood capsules. This is slipping to the levels of that poncey round-ball game. Totally agree with the ban, but the club should`ve been hammered too. Drop them a league or bin them from cup competitions. That`ll get the message through.
upcambornehill 2 years ago
Btw. Tom William is a cheeky chappie of the team. He winks at everyone. He's on the wing and closest to the fans. It was probably a response to somoone asking if he was alright.
Memoquin 2 years ago
bollocks. The winking just happened to coincide with a plan that was, at least then, succesful.
BigDirtyFish 2 years ago
I call bullshit on the ERC's part. yes, I'm a Quins fan, but the ERC's decision just doesn't add up. Tom decided to go it alone did he? Though a fake blood injury would save the team? No. If he's being punished so heavily because he hasn't confessed to others being involved, then it is all based on circumstantial evidence.
ie. No evidence.
Btw. It's nice to see Irish posters here. Leinster won, got sore that Quins nearly beat them, and is now happy with a biased panel decision.
Memoquin 2 years ago
Williams got a harsh suspension i'll admit that but lets look at facts, He faked a blood injury so a kicker could come back on the field and take a drop at goal attempt to win the match Quins are lucky he missed because if he didn't you guys would surely be banned from the tornament. I don't believe he acted alone obviously someone had to tell him what to do but unfortunatly the only evidence is the fabricated injury by him...
KillerCarebear89 2 years ago 2
Very disgraceful.
bliksum58 2 years ago
Quins really disgraced themselves. It's difficult to have respect for the coaching staff and Williams for cheating like that. I'm glad he got a long ban and the club got a heavy fine, but I think Richards should get an equal length sideline ban and Quins should be thrown out of the Heineken Cup this season.
IrishGuy101 2 years ago
not good harlequins
lennard 2 years ago
i think ERC and IRB should give this video to every clubs of rugby in order to recall what fair play is about.
PS: Looking back to the last H-cup where the french clubs were clearly disadantaged. It makes smile, i thought that french were violent, cheaters and sour grapes...well we are definetly not alone...
Wish to see good game and a french club win the 2010 edition
zisssssou 2 years ago
is the claim that williams was using a blood capsule?
if the 4th officials allowed evans back on instead of gomarsall then that isnt quins problem, but if it can be shown that the blood was fake then that makes it a big problem.
incidentally, who was williams winking at? cos it looked like the leinster bench from the direction he was facing...
and if it was dodgy you have to be properly stupid to wink at the time.
somerandomer 2 years ago
The fact that Quins were warming up Evans long before the supposed blood injury has a dodgy ring about it.
mawsley9 2 years ago 2
Holy Shit. What was he tackled by Jason Voorhees??? Cheating bastards!!
fireflyfan1 2 years ago
... Oh dear. I'm a quins fan and i'm disgraced that we cheated like that. Not good.
kamikaze90watermelon 2 years ago 7
That was so dodgy. Though it all worked out in the end; Evans missed a drop goal.
edkev94 2 years ago
Cheating English.
dirtydawg1 2 years ago
cheating english bastards
gannsy5 2 years ago
Now that's just racist isn't it; doesn't achieve anything except creating tensions between nations.
Also Tommy willams is english but of Welsh heritage and Nick Evans is a New Zealender.
I don't deny that it was cheating - I'm not one to judge (and if it was they'll get their comeuppance later this week at the hearing) - but why be such a dick?
tom0033 2 years ago
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yeh but quins are an english club u retard
gannsy5 2 years ago
No i'm not a retard how dare you make allusions over my mental state you intolerant, bigoted twat.
You don't know who the call came from to perform the substitution, and even if it was a English person you can't make assumptions about the entire english race on the grounds of one incident.
tom0033 2 years ago 4
u take thngs way too literally , u retard
i didnt generalise all of england , all i said was thr english and thr cheating bastards.
but , neil back heineken cup final. he did cheat and hes english.
i can giv u more if u wnt , u faggit.
gannsy5 2 years ago
and im sure we could find examples of people from your country cheating, so stop being a twat.
somerandomer 2 years ago