J.S. Bach - BWV 643 - Alle Menschen müssen sterben

[fanny0820]

à la fois doux  et sincère : .. ce doit être vrai alors ?

[SuperBabel2]

Toutes cette "collection" représente un travail remarquable Chapeau Toxiconegro

[wcbroccoli]

Verse 7: Ah, I have already beheld

this great glory!

Now I shall be adorned

with the white garments of heaven

and the golden crown of honour,

I shall stand before the throne of God,

gazing on such joys

that can never end.

[wcbroccoli]

Verse 6: O Jerusalem, you beautiful place,

Ah, how bright you shine!

Ah,how sweetly sounds of praise

are heard in gentle peace!

O the great joy and delight!

Now rises the sun,

now begins the day

that can have no end.

[toxiconegro]

@MusicPredominates

To be honest, I asked myself the same question but couldn't find a good reason for it. Now it makes sense: death as a relief and expectation to something superior. Thanks for that.

[MusicPredominates]

@toxiconegro : Thankyou for the acknowedgement you have made of my reading. Unfortunately I was nigh on ´shouted down´ by a most ignorant music master at secondary school for my reading at the age of 16. He was a long-winded fool now dead. But read Schweitzer asap ! Many thanks for your courtesy !

[wcbroccoli]

@MusicPredominates Why does everyone naively assume these chorale preludes are mood pieces about the words in the title? The title is simply the name of the hymn, taken from the 1st line of the 1st verse of the hymn. This 7- verse hymn is not about death. It's about the bliss that awaits the faithful AFTER death.

[wcbroccoli]

@MusicPredominates Hello. You are not comprehending ! You need only read hymn verses 6 and 7 (which I quoted for you) to see that it is not "a hymn about death." After playing the prelude, the congregation would have sung all 7 verses of the hymn. It is very naive to assume the hymn is about death just because the hymn title (which is simply the 1st line of the hymn) is "all men must die."

[wcbroccoli]

@MusicPredominates I ALSO wrote a very insightful comment. The title of EVERY chorale prelude is taken from the title of the chorale, which always taken from the 1st line of the 1st verse. After hearing this "merry" prelude, the congegration would sing all 7 verses of "All Men Must Die", which is not about death, but about the BLISS that awaits (only) the FAITHFUL (not all men) after death, which you'd realize if you bothered to read the damn hymn. I quoted the last 2 verses for you.

[wcbroccoli]

@MusicPredominates I was not attacking anything you wrote. I was merely pointing out that many people naively assume a chorale prelude is simply a mood piece romantically inspired by the words in the title. These same people scratch their heads when they cannot reconcile the mood of the music with the sentiment of the title...

[wcbroccoli]

@MusicPredominates In their cluelessness, they are confounded by such preludes as "Alle Menschen muessen sterben", which they incorrectly assume to be about death, even when they hear the sweet diatonic harmonies and repeated bliss motif, and "Jesu meine Freude", which they incorrectly assume to be about joy even when they hear the largo tempo, grating dissonances, and repeated sigh motif.

[wcbroccoli]

@MusicPredominates Why should I? My comments are both accurate and relevant.

[daasvand]

Absolutely love it!

[PINHAS38]

Sublime