Abortionbreastcancer.com Commercial 1

[TheTrostar]

Baby killer video. Too many babies have died while these crazy people insist on taking away condoms, the pill and sex education. Abortion could be abolished with sex education, but these people want to hang on to their hate and kill babies. Pro-life = Pro-baby killing. We need to stop these people. Stop the Baby killers. The website that this came from welcomes the 7th billion person to this planet and wants an other billion.

[FannyFlair]

Why is she wearing high heels in a meadow?

[MyrtleMessmer]

Having three or more babies INCREASES your risk for triple negative breast cancer!!!! You had better have an abortion to save your life! Triple negative breast cancer is the worst kind!  ww.medscape.com/viewarticle/73­8415

[Kackidawg]

what a bunch of bullshit

[ilikecats40111]

@Kackidawg Well this 'bullshit' is true.

[itubeyoublah]

notice her foot stance - she's taken "how to stand like a lady" training

[PrudishFury]

ABORTION CAUSES PROSTATE CANCER!! It has been on the rise ever since women's lib began! Roe v. Wade made many men need prostate surgery, and now they are IMPOTENT!! It must be stopped! It is killing men and ruinging their masculinity.

[ilikecats40111]

@PrudishFury I'm just wondering, how would it do it to a man? He's not the one who has an abortion.

[PrudishFury]

@ilikecats40111 Use your brain! SOMEONE had to make all those women pregnant. it was a man! There's no arguing with the fact that prostate cancer rates have increased a lot since Roe v. Wade!

[ProLifeHelp]

Many scientists conclude abortion is associated with elevated breast cancer risk:

Dr Chris Kahlenborn, Internist & Author of book, “Breast Cancer: Its Link to Abortion and the Birth Control Pill"

Dr Joel Brind, Professor Biology/Endocrinology Baruch College

Dr Angela Lanfranchi, Professor of Surgery, Robert Wood Johnson Medical School

Dr Janet Daling & Jessica Dolle, Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research

[searchPersonhoodTV]

Great content, it will be on Personhood TV. google - Personhood justin tv. God bless.

[MrsTardbuster1]

Usual scare tactic by pro liars!!

There's no link between abortion and breast cancer!

[choicemeansdemocracy]

I wonder why I wont be seeing this video on TV? I'm guessing because such misinformation would be ILLEGAL.

[innerspace428]

your sick,no intrest in your views,beat it.

[pennieroyaltea]

More women die of lung cancer. Where's the anti-smoking video? Because smoking actually DOES cause cancer, unlike abortion.

[Ken4President]

Truth already makes those videos.

[ProLifeHelp]

@pennieroyaltea National Cancer Institute denied smoking-lung-cancer link for decades since the big tobacco companies were donating "research grants" to National Cancer Institute to "further study the matter." Once the money started pouring in, National Cancer Institute kept denying a smoking-lung-cancer link. NCI finally conceded as it was getting too hard to hide the link

Abortionists are currently donating to pro-choice politicians to exert influence over NCI to deny abortion-cancer link

[peacefulvines]

@pennieroyaltea There are a lot of videos and media on lung cancer, and there are hundreds of studies that show a link between breast cancer and abortion and hormonal contraception. We all know that messing with our hormones like that carries risks.

[pennieroyaltea]

@peacefulvines Actually, a link has been established between the use of hormone replacement therapy (for menopause symptoms). Hormonal birth control has NOT been linked to an increased risk for breast cancer by any credible studies.

[peacefulvines]

@pennieroyaltea IF YOU REALLY THINK THAT, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN READING ALL CREDIBLE STUDIES.

I LOVE IT WHEN PEOPLE, WHEN THEY KNOW THEY ARE LOOSING AN ARGUMENT, MARK THINGS AS SPAM, WHEN THEY ARE GIVEN CREDIBLE RESEARCH THAT SHOWS THAT THEY ARE WRONG. RIDICULOUS. AND KIND OF COWARDLY. YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE FACTS, DEAR.

[pennieroyaltea]

@peacefulvines There's no need to shout, dear. Shouting something doesn't make it true. The fact is, the preponderance of the evidence proves there is no link between breast cancer and abortion. Can you link me to even one prospective study which has shown an association between induced abortion and breast cancer? It would be more convincing than shouting.

[peacefulvines]

@pennieroyaltea I wasn't shouting, haha...the caps lock was on. I didn't even realize it was considered "shouting"

[peacefulvines]

@pennieroyaltea Abortion, in numerous separate studies, is SHOWN to cause breast cancer. It is so sad when women or men, such as yourself, patently refuse to look at the facts, bury your head in the sand, and try to wish away the detrimental effect on our bodies and our lives. Ignoring the link will not make it disappear, and the more we ignore it, the more breast cancer there will be.

[pennieroyaltea]

@peacefulvines Are you talking about the retrospective studies, or the prospective studies? Which authors?

[ilikecats40111]

@pennieroyaltea I agree with you that someone should make an anti-smoking video, but when you have an abortion, it really does cause breast cancer.

[sinmantyx]

The sort of tactic shown by this commercial is what I have a problem with. Pro-life organizations like Feminists for Life or others who actually want to HELP girls and women instead of manipulate them are alright in my book.

This is a scare tactic. EVEN if the evidence was clear - what it wants to convey is that having an abortion will make you DIE so you should be AFRAID - Shameless manipulation.

[dbrak2]

Feminists for Life would also disagree with you. See

the excellent article:

"Thirty Years After Roe v. Wade:

The Abortion Breast Cancer Link"

Call To Reason, by Dr. Angela Lanfranchi

in the Feminists for Life page.

[sinmantyx]

Did they fund this commercial? No?

My first impression of them is that their tactics were mainly an attempt to make life easier for women with unplanned pregnancies to decrease the number of abortions.

This included an action against a private school that fired a women for having a child "out of wedlock".

Unlike "Abortion Breast Cancer . com" the breast cancer link is not their focus.

[sinmantyx]

However, thank you for the info.

[stargaze2081]

this video is such bull shit

[platero55]

"Is there such a thing as a safe abortion?" asks the video talent. Answer: yes. Abortion is *always* safer than childbirth.

[dbrak2]

"Abortion is *always* safer than childbirth" ?????????????

This is a standard lie of the pro abortion lobby.

Please do some research and you will find the reverse is true.

[platero55]

I *have* researched the issue, my friend, and I speak the truth. Deaths from complications and pregnancy are more common than deaths from complications following abortion by orders of magnitude. Abortion is the safest outpatient surgery there is, including plastic surgery.

[dbrak2]

Have you read:

Gissler, M., et. al., "Pregnancy-associated deaths in Finland 1987-1994 -- definition problems and benefits of record linkage," Acta Obsetricia et Gynecolgica Scandinavica 76:651-657 (1997).?

[platero55]

Haha! Yes, I have. It's a study of how pregnancy- and childbirth-related deaths are classified in Finland. It does not support your point.

[dbrak2]

Continued: Researchers identified 281 women who had died within a year of their last pregnancy. The unadjusted mortality rate per 100,000cases was 27 for women who had given birth, 48 for women who had miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies, and 101 for women who had abortions.

[platero55]

You are misrepresenting what was stated in the abstract. "In total, 281 qualifying deaths were found. Only in 22% of the death certificates was the pregnancy or its end mentioned." In other words, pregnancy, abortion and childbirth were considered contributing factors in only 50 or so of these deaths.

[dbrak2]

The substantially higher death rates of illness and death among post abortive women cannot be so casually dismissed.

Obviously, a suicide resulting from post abortive depression is still an abortion related death, notwithstanding the fact that abortion will be mentioned on the death certificate.

[platero55]

I've read the article. Have you? The majority of women who have abortions are (1) poor, and (2) nonwhite, and (3) in their teens or early 20s, and (4) unmarried, and (5) urban, and (6) already raising one or more children, to name several characteristics which - surprise - put women at higher risk of death from homicide, accident, suicide or natural causes *regardless* of whether they have an abortion or not.

[platero55]

What's more, your article even admits this problem: "Finally, the STAKES study does not shed any light on whether or not women who died from suicide or risk-taking behavior after an abortion were already self-destructive before their abortions. It is probable that many were." In other words, women who have psychological problems following abortion are those who have psychological problems *before* abortions.

I believe that *poverty* is the common denominator here, not abortion.

[platero55]

One more thing - in the U.S., women who have had one or more abortions are many times more likely to be shot by the police than women who never have an abortion. That is isn't because of abortion, it is because of poverty. Poor women are many times more likely than financially secure women to have violent encounters with the police. Food for thought, eh?

[dbrak2]

You miss the main point. it is grossly immoral, to attempt to legitimize the killing of vulnerable babies by abortion while pretending to protect the life of the mother. The actual mortality rate of children who are victims of abortion is close to 99% -some survive.

[platero55]

"Woman? What woman?" In other words, when cornered, you throw the woman under the bus and invoke the Holy Fetus. It *always* comes down to the Holy Fetus for you guys.

[dbrak2]

I guess we have different ethical axioms concerning the humanity of the pre born child. What is your opinion on this issue?

[sinmantyx]

That is NOT the point. If this video was trying to make a moral point about ELECTIVE abortion, then I might even agree with some of their opinions.

However, this video is spreading fear and misinformation!! EVEN if it were true (which it is not) a woman is much more likely to die because of the complications of pregnancy and delivery than an abortion. This is simply true --- and has NOTHING to do with the ethical debate about whether or not a fetus is a person!

[sinmantyx]

...and "pretending to protect the life of the mother"?

One of my friends (who considers herself pro-life) had to terminate a pregnancy due to the fact that she would bleed to death otherwise! She had to endure protesters screaming "MURDER" at her even though they had no idea what her situation was.

She explained and some idiot told her she "deserved to die" if she was unable to deliver her baby.

She did have depression because of the experience, but she's not dead.

[dbrak2]

I have been to many protests outside clinics. I have always observed the pro lifers to be peaceful. If this incident occurred-(which I don't believe- it is out of character and to be regretted. On the other hand, I have been threatened a number of times by supporters of abortion while praying silently outside clinics.

Please see abortionviolence (dot) com for more details.

[sinmantyx]

This is a heated issue, and not all pro-life activists are the same (I tend to prefer the tactics of Feminists for Life more than most), and not all pro-choice advocates are the same.

Tempers flare, and I'm sure there are any number of tale of misbehavior from either side.

There has been misinformation given by people on both sides too, which I think it HORRIBLE - including, but not limited to trumping up a very tenuous breast cancer link.

[dbrak2]

A1. See: Fergusson DM, Horwood LJ, Ridder EM.

Christchurch Health and Development Study, J Child Psychol Psychiatry. 2006 Jan;47(1):16-24.

This 25-year longitudinal study of a birth cohort of New Zealand children studied mental disorders and suicidal behaviour found that women having an abortion had elevated rates of subsequent mental health problems including depression, anxiety, suicidal behaviours and substance use disorders. Continued in A2.

[platero55]

Here's another study that doesn't say what you want it to say. It identifies a correlation between mental illness and abortion, but it does not say that abortion *causes* mental illness! Again, poor women are more likely to have mental health issues, AND more likely to have abortions.

Again - address *poverty* first. It costs major bucks to raise a child. What financial incentives would you give women to carry their pregnancies to term?

[dbrak2]

Have you actually read tthe Fergusson et al. paper? It did confound for existing mental health problems According to the abstract:

Those having an abortion had elevated rates of subsequent mental health problems including depression, anxiety, suicidal behaviours and substance use disorders. This association persisted after adjustment for confounding factors. CONCLUSIONS: The findings suggest that abortion in young women may be associated with increased risks of mental health problems.

[sinmantyx]

For someone who just said that statistics was a plea from ignorance, you certainly do completely disregard the fact that all girls and women are individuals.

Those that have support for their decision (whatever it may be) have a better time dealing with the situation than those that do not.

I think is some cases, this result is a self-fulfilling prophesy. Women are made to feel ashamed of their decision, and those that are shaming them blame the decision and not the harsh judgment.

[sinmantyx]

I couldn't find the paper you are referring to, but I did find another paper written by the same author which was a review of current research on the subject which clearly indicated his conclusion in 2008, that basically research into a link was inconclusive and that studies varied greatly based on their methods.

Familiar?

[dbrak2]

A2. (Continued from A1) This association persisted after adjustment for confounding factors. The authors concluded that their findings suggest that abortion in young women may be associated with increased risks of mental health problems.

[platero55]

Another thing: roughly half of all women will abort at least one pregnancy during their reproductive years. If abortion causes depression or other mental illness, 1/2 of all adult women would have mental health issues. Where are they?

[dbrak2]

Google "I regret my abortion" or

"silent no more"

or

"Rachel's Vineyard"

for an answer to your question.

[sinmantyx]

There is no such thing as "always" - however, if you look at CDC information for the U.S. in recent years - women die from pregnancy and delivery about 12 times more often than because of abortion.

You can look at the data yourself.

If you don't believe elective abortions are ethical, that's fine. Could you please quit spouting crap to try to support your position?

[platero55]

Name ONE reputable, mainstream cancer research organization that recognizes a link between abortion and breast cancer. You CAN'T, because the only organizations that claim that a link exists between abortion and breast cancer are right-to-lie groups. No

reputable group, (e.g., the American Cancer Society) makes such a claim. In fact, reputable scientists think it's junk science. The latest (and best) research has shown no connection between breast cancer and abortion.

[zimmerk3]

"Scientists began extensive research on the abortion-breast cancer link in 1957 and recognized two breast cancer risks associated with abortion. All experts recognize the first risk, that abortion denies women an opportunity to reduce their risk for breast cancer through childbearing. Scientists only debate the second risk - known as the 'independent link.

[zimmerk3]

"Eight medical organizations and a bioethics journal recognize the independent link - that abortion leaves a woman with more cancer-vulnerable cells than she had before she became pregnant. An additional medical group, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, has called for 'full disclosure' of a 'highly plausible' relationship between abortion and the disease."

[sinmantyx]

Take out the medical organizations that are either fronts from pro-life groups or dominated by Catholics - how many do you have left and what are their names?

Seriously, I want to know.

[dbrak2]

Ozmen et al. Breast cancer risk factors in Turkish women - a university hospital-based nested case control study. World J Surg Onc 2009;7:37.

Find a 66 Percent Increased Breast Cancer Risk After Abortion. The researchers said that their findings showed abortion was "significantly associated with increased breast cancer risk."

[dbrak2]

Your bias is showing.

[sinmantyx]

Was that study based on medical records or interviews?

Oh yeah - it was! Surprise, surprise!

"Between January 2000 and December 2006, a survey was prospectively conducted among women admitted to clinics of Istanbul Medical Faculty for examination and/or treatment by using a questionnaire."

[sinmantyx]

Again:

From the paper: "A Swedish study that compared registry information with interview data regarding induced abortion attributed an increase in the risk of breast cancer of between 16 and 50 percent to differential misclassification in interview data."

Which means, if your study uses interview data, it may show a FALSE correlation of up to 50%. This amount is also probably culturally dependent - so who knows how high it could go in TURKEY.

[dbrak2]

Using similar logic you could reject the theories of gravitation and electromagnetism on the grounds that Newton an Maxwell were Christians.

[sinmantyx]

I'm rejected it on the basis that many studies, very good studies, do not show this link or show a very small correlation only with extremely late term abortions.

There has yet to be a study presented that is not base don interview data that shows a connection.

With zimmerk's logic, I should believe anything that 8 organizations spit out. I think that would leave me in a constant state of double-think.

[sinmantyx]

My assertion is the only reason to hype this very tenuous link between abortion and breast cancer is to hopefully SCARE girls and women into not having abortions and has NOTHING to do with any actual concern for their physical health.

If we ran our lives worried about increased risk, no woman would even have a child and nobody would ever drive cars. At least those risks to life and limb are higher than even the most recall-bias laden study supporting this link.

[sinmantyx]

That is absolutely true - however, a decrease in risk due to early childbearing and breast feeding is not the same thing as an increased risk due to abortion.

It seems that people want girls and women to be frightened of abortion, when bringing the pregnancy to term and going through delivery is much more dangerous.

Using scare tactics to influence the vulnerable is sick.

I would never tell someone to get an abortion because having a baby was dangerous. That's a horrible thing to say.

[falkenlaser]

You know, if abortion caused cancer, think about it; when something is proven to cause cancer, people panic and stay away from it. If abortion was found to, people would panic and not get abortions. This would really hurt the abortion industry, because they would lose tons of money. So, it would make sense that pro-choice advocates would want to deny any claims that it can cause cancer, for they'd lose a lot (and may be ridiculed for lying if people found out they were trying to cover it up).

[sinmantyx]

I've read the paper on the Denmark study - carefully. You know, the one my Melbye that all us "pro-choice advocates" use to "cover up" the link that has been shown by other studies.

From the paper: "A Swedish study that compared registry information with interview data regarding induced abortion attributed an increase in the risk of breast cancer of between 16 and 50 percent to differential misclassification in interview data."

The Melbye study's methods completely eliminated recall bias.

[platero55]

Subsequent research confirms Melbye's conclusions:

"Induced and Spontaneous Abortion and Incidence of Breast Cancer Among

Young Women: A Prospective Cohort Study."

Karin B. Michels, Fei Xue, Graham A. Colditz, and Walter C. Willett.

Arch Intern Med. 2007;167:814-820.

Vol. 167 No. 8, April 23, 2007

From the abstract: "Among this predominantly premenopausal population, neither induced nor spontaneous abortion was associated with the incidence of breast cancer."

[dbrak2]

The paper of Michels, et al. : 1) did not allow sufficient follow-up time between exposure to abortion and the development of breast cancer. 2) excluded cases of in situ breast cancer, which show up sooner than do cases of invasive breast cancer. 3) did not adjust for miscarriages in reporting the overall statistics in effect of lowering the risk.

Hence it does not support your contention of no abortion - breast cancer link.

[dbrak2]

P1. According to a Review of Recent Breast Cancer Studies, by J. Brind, Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons Volume 10 Number 4 Winter 2005, The Melbye study:

1. misclassified 60,000 women who had undergone abortions as not having had abortions.

2. tracking breast cancer cases and abortions from different time origins.

i.e. The Melbye study is flawed and thus does not disprove an abortion breast cancer link.

[sinmantyx]

I can't speak as to whether or not #1 is true, because I don't have access to the raw data (only the paper itself). However, since the sample space was 1.5 million and the number of women having abortions according to the study was over 370,000 - I don't know if that would significantly change the conclusions or not. It would be good to see a re-examination of those findings based on any misclassifications that may have occurred.

[sinmantyx]

As far as "disproving" - that's not my job. It's your job to PROVE the positive assertion that you are making.

Please show me a study that shows a significant correlation between abortion and breast cancer that is based on medical records and not interviews.

[dbrak2]

Opponents of the abortion breast cancer link rely too much on statistics, ignoring human reason and experience. Statistics is used in situations of ignorance. We do not use

it to calculate the motion of the moon since we have knowledge of the laws of mechanics. In the case of the abortion breast cancer, we have biological information concerning the nature and behavior of the cells involved.

This information does not come from interviews and it is foolish to ignore it.

[sinmantyx]

Why does this commercial use stats then? Is it because anecdotal evidence is not evidence?

I know about the proposed causal mechanism for a link, which makes more sense in very late term cases. Most abortions do not happen in the late term.

EVEN if a link exists, various studies conflict greatly on how much of an increased risk exists and the amount of risk assessed depends on the methods of the study.

However, it is CLEAR that pregnancy and birth is more medically dangerous.

[dbrak2]

"it is CLEAR that pregnancy and birth is more medically dangerous."-sinmantyx

Pregnancy and birth are not medical conditions to be "treated" by abortion.

[sinmantyx]

No, but they ARE more dangerous.

So, trying to make woman and girls terrified of the dangers of abortion is factually ridiculous.

I would think that this sort of decision would have a LOT more to do with the very specific personal situation that a pregnant woman or girl is in, than which choice might have the very slight (much less than that of driving around) chance of making her DIE.

[SuperHappyPuppy]

Breast cancer is STILL a grandmother's disease.  The way facts about a tragic disease are manipulated for political end here is DISGUSTING.

[sinmantyx]

Oh - just an FYI. All science uses statistics. In fact, Kepler is seen as one of the first scientists to conceive of uncertainty in measurement while calculating the orbit of Mars.

So, not only do we use statistics in calculating the motion of celestial bodies, they were involved in the historical rise of statistics in science.

However, you are right in some ways. The more confounds we have in a study and the more individual variation subjects have, the more we have to rely on stats.

[dbrak2]

A1. Kepler's statistical measurements, on their own, were insufficient to confirm the heliocentric theory. Similarly, the fact that underpowered or biased studies fail to find statistically significant differences, does not prove that there is no abortion breast cancer link. Continued in post A2.

[dbrak2]

A2.  (Continued from A1). A classic paper by J. A. Freiman et al examined 71 negatve control studies and found that 50 of the trials could have missed a 50 per cent therapeutic improvement by ignoring type II errors. Measurement without a good theory is blind. In the case of the abortion breast cancer link, the strong theoretical possibility of an abortion link based on cell studies indicates a need for more careful statistical studies -not closing the debate.

[dbrak2]

A3. (Continued from A2). In the words of Neyman and Pearson -the pioneers of the theory of statistical testing- "no test based upon a theory of probability can by itself provide any valuable evidence of the truth or falsehood of a hypothesis."

[sinmantyx]

Oh - and I just skimmed Brind's paper - it boiled down to: recent studies that don't support the link are not perfect, so the old studies that I'm not going to bother criticizing should be used as a basis for patient consultation instead - and by the way you all suck.

Not very convincing - sorry.

[dbrak2]

P2. (Continued from P1) Even so, the Melbye study found a statistically significant 89% increase in risk of breast cancer for women who have abortions after 18 weeks gestation.

[sinmantyx]

I know. I read it. Notice that I mentioned that in previous posts.

It's funny, however, that you mention the part of a study that you think is completely flawed and worthless than happens to support your view.

The problem with the VERY late term number is that the sample space is very small - so the 89% number is highly uncertain. It could be lower or higher.

[dbrak2]

It may be a small sample space but many small studies -if they are not flawed- can be concatenated in a statistically significant fashion. If the sun rises one day thats not much evidence, but if it rises everyday we can arrive at hypothesis. We should not ignore the first sunrise.

[sinmantyx]

Also, I personally have ABSOLUTELY no financial stake in the "abortion industry".

Don't you think that pro-life advocates (especially those who believe abortion is murder) have an incentive to hype up the possibility that abortion causes breast cancer?

Most people don't want teenagers to become pregnant and have children before they are prepared to become parents - so why don't you see researchers "covering up" the fact that having a child early decreases breast cancer risk? It does.

[sinmantyx]

In the U.S., about 12 in 100,000 women die from complications due to pregnancy and delivery, while less than 1 in 100,000 women die due to complications of abortion.

So, you are more than 12 times more likely to die - MUCH greater than any supposed breast cancer link.

Look - the abortion - breast cancer link is a SCARE. Most studies (even those prone to recall bias) show no link what-so-ever. There may be a small increase in very late term abortions.

Quit lying to make your point.

[10foilhat]

It's so appropriate that your preview thumbnail has the word "Fail" stamped on it. Your assertion that contraceptives (which you errantly classify as abortion), or more especially abortion itself has any causitive relationship to the increase in breast cancer is as faulty as asserting that Katrina was god's punishment for it's victims' iniquities.

Fail.

[HolyknightVader999]

That was only the opinion of the most radical of evangelicals. Most Churchmen, (Catholic/Protestant) donated to and helped the Katrina victims.

[BrainPickerTemari]

Although I support breast cancer awareness, there is no scientific evidence linking abortion to higher breast cancer risks. In fact, it's amoung the safest medical procedures available.

[dd8630]

While this is a well-executed video, and I love the pink scarf bit, the science disagrees with you.

The consensus among cancer experts and cancer research institutions is that there is no evidence linking abortion with an increased risk of breast cancer.

While I am a huge supporter of breast cancer awareness and of women's rights in general, misrepresenting the facts is a horrible way to go about it.

Think. Look the research up. They're called 'experts' for a reason.

[greetingsearthlings1]

Sadly, people don't want to know.

In being so concerned in having the "Right to Choose, people loose personal "choice".

This has been a known fact in the medical community for some time now. However, it's very un-PC ti talk about.

Good video though. I hope the message will get out.

[JohnMuise]

Great! (JohnMuise from 123 Christian forums)

[68ATV68]

This was very well done and informative. I am going to go vist the website now. Thank you.